Coffee Convos with Kail Lowry and Lindsie Chrisley - 143: Freeing Britney, Will's Goodwill Obsession, and Gender Selection

Episode Date: February 11, 2021

This week on Coffee Convos, Kail and Lindsie are back with more documentary discussions. They both watched "Framing Britney Spears" and there is so much to unpack. Kail and Lindsie both give their thoughts on the situation, as well as the Free Britney Movement. And does anyone else know someone obsessed with going to Goodwill? Lindsie's husband Will is a regular at their local Goodwill, and is convinced he is going to find some amazing stuff every time he goes. What are his plans for the stuff? That's left to be determined. And Kail and Lindsie address a listener submitted question about gender selection in pregnancy. This episode was sponsored by: Kencko, Brooklinen, Nutrafol, &  Recovery Center of America Have a question you want answered? Want to give Kail and Lindsie a call? Leave them a message at ?(609)-316-0060?. Music by Nathaniel Wyvern. Licensed under Creative Commons: By Attribution 4.0 License.

Hey guys, welcome to another episode of coffee combos podcast. Good morning. Good morning. I have, I'm, I know it sounds like I may or may not be on crack, but I'm actually just on coffee and I'm not really excited about the coffee conversation we're about to have because I got Wawa coffee, which I haven't had in forever and my lid wouldn't stay on. So I kept like almost spilling it the entire time I was drinking it. That is really unfortunate. You know, I hate, does my voice sound like a boy right now? No, but it sounds a little like, are you sick? Do you have Rona? No, stop spreading rumors. No, I didn't have anything to drink this morning until like

a few minutes ago. And so maybe my throat just dry and sounding a little boyish. But anyhow, back to the coffee. That's very unfortunate when situations like that happen, you know, like when things just go wrong. Yeah. Yeah. 100%. Like, we know what else went wrong this morning. I had bought Buddha a new bed. He's the, the, I was going to call him the queen, but he's the king of, um, he rips up his bed. It's like, I can't keep a bed for him for some reason. Um, and I bought him a new one and it came yesterday, literally took it out of the package at probably like five o'clock last night. And, um, this morning I came downstairs and it was completely ripped to shreds. So that was a nice little thing.

Huh. Oh my God. I can't imagine. Honestly, can we talk about that for a second? Because what is it like having dogs that are as big as humans because I can't relate and can't imagine? Um, well, I love it sometimes because he just feels like he's a person. Like he's, I just love him so much. Um, and then, well, karma, she's a bitch. Like she's a huge bitch. Um, she's like, she's good. She's great, but she's, she doesn't like men. And so she's just like me and dog form. Um, but they're just shut up because they're so like, I just feel like they're very cuddly and like loving. And then Gizmo's just, he's little and he's like Della and he's, well, I'm lying. He's really cuddly too. Is Della cuddly? Like will

she cuddle you guys? No, honey. No. No, honey. She doesn't cuddle. She is like a percher. Like a cat. Like, yeah, she gets on the top of the furniture and she lays there and she doesn't want to be bothered. She doesn't want to be touched. And she does this weird thing. I actually wanted to ask all the pet parents on here if their animals do this. I feel like cats probably do, but when you like talk to Della and a sweet boys, she starts stretching her body out like so that she can get like more attention. And then she stretches like her back legs out. I'll have to take a video of this, but like every single time. So it's got to be something that she does. Like when she's getting affection, she like she like

stretches. Yeah. So interesting. I need to see a video of this. I love when she smiles. That's my favorite thing. And I just, I need you to frame a picture of her smiling because that is amazing. She, she's the funniest. But yeah, I couldn't imagine cuddling with a dog that's as big as a horse. Yeah, it's like cuddling a person. That's why I love it so much. I love that you love that. And I love all of the people on here that have big dogs. I got bit by a big dog whenever. Well, it wasn't really, I guess like border collie. That's not a big dog. Well, it felt like it was big to me, but we're talking about I was in fourth grade, I think. So it probably was like big then. But yeah, I got bit by

a border collie and it like drug me and ripped my blue jeans. And I was so upset about it. Not only was I like afraid, but I was upset to go home. Like I would be in trouble because my pants were ripped and like I was bleeding everywhere. And obviously that's completely irrational. Like why would I be in trouble for that? But I just remember like feeling like that. And I just wonder if big dogs aren't a thing for me because of that. Right, right, right. Yeah, I could see that. I could totally see that. Have you ever been attacked by an animal? No, I was going to say I mean, my mom had a cat when I was a kid and his name was Sergeant Pepper and he was an indoor cat and I used to drag a blanket behind me when

I would get up in the middle of the night to go to the bathroom because in the middle of the night, if he saw me walking, he'd like attack me. But like he wasn't doing it because he was he wasn't doing it to be a dick. He was doing it because he's a cat, you know, like, yes, but I would just I learned to drag the either a towel or a blanket behind me to go to the bathroom. But other than that, no, I've never actually been attacked by an animal. So I can't relate. And that's I could see how fucking scary and terrifying that would be. So terrifying. And then when dogs like come up to me will be like at the park and they'll try to come up and Jackson loves any dogs. And I don't know at what age did you

start teaching your boys like not to approach other people's dogs? Because I feel like for Jackson, he started doing he started trying to do it like, maybe two years ago, and we had to have that conversation. And that, you know, it was like the era of why? Well, why don't I approach the dog and why so far? I haven't had to explain that to my kids only because they they're not dog people. They aren't. No, like, they're not like, Lincoln actually just like hobby texts me the other day. And Lincoln was bawling his eyes out about bear. But he was, you know, bear was there when he was born. Other than like, bear, they're just not interested in dogs, like at all, none of them. Wow, that's so interesting.

Yeah, it's they don't they don't care. And they have dogs that all like hobby has a dog. Joe and V have two dogs. Luxe's dad's family has dogs, like, but Luxe is like the most interested out of all of them, but definitely still just not like if we didn't have any, they wouldn't care. And Luxe might be his age to like just curious and wanting to be into everything at this moment in time. So right, right, you know, could be a little bit of that too. Yeah, we had to have the conversation about approaching other people's dogs. And when dogs come up to me at parks or whatever, I always like jump back because I'm a you know, like afraid

and I think it's like a natural reaction to do that. Right. Yeah. And then I always feel bad because I'm like, I don't want people to think that I think their dogs mean or whatever. But literally anytime I see a border collie forget it like freaking forget it. Not a thing. Cats are not a thing for me. Jackson loves all animals. He loves cats. He loves dogs. We would have a zoo at this house. He just loves it. Like he wants a big dog. He's like, mom, I want a dog where I can ride on its back. And like, like, that's a horse, honey. Like that's not, that's not a dog. And it's not happening at our house. Anyhow, so what else is going on in your life? Okay, there's well a lot, but also there's

just so many other things that I want to talk about that have been going on like pop culture and like current events, like the free Britney stuff, the Robin Hood app situation. And then I read yesterday that P Diddy was suing Sean John, which I thought that P Diddy's name was Sean John and I thought that he owned it. Me too. When I read that. And then I don't know what else that we were going to talk about. I know that you were trying to watch the the other John Bonnet Ramsey thing. Was there another documentary that you were going to watch? Yeah, so I didn't want to spend a whole bunch of time on the John Bonnet Ramsey thing just because we covered it so in depth. Yeah, episode and a million times because

we're just so invested. But I did watch I actually Googled her the house last night, like I couldn't stop. You did. Yeah, I went up for sale in 2008 2009 and 2014. There is someone living there. And it's like completely remodeled. But yeah, I was looking at I was looking at the floor plan. I wanted to tour it. I thought maybe it was like a thing, but someone lives there. Well, actually, people send us messages of where you can do like an online tour of the house. So maybe I can send you the link and see if it works like I didn't look or anything because it's just not something I wouldn't look but that would probably freak me out. But anyhow, yeah, so the Discovery Plus did a documentary on John

Bonnet Ramsey too. And over the weekend, I told Will I was like, Hey, can you put on Discovery Plus for me so I can watch the John Bonnet Ramsey thing? And he was like, I swear to you if I hear about this case one more time. And I'm like, Oh, wow, will you go back to your office? Because if so, then I'm going to keep talking about it. No, I'm just kidding. But no, he was like, I swear, I can't listen to this anymore. I can't watch this anymore. You're obsessed. You're too invested, blah, blah, blah. This is never going to get solved. You and kill whack jobs and whatever. Tell him to say it to my face. Yeah, say it. Say it to her face. And then sad thing is, is he probably would and then I love you will

stop. Don't call me a whack job. Then was like, Lindsay, this is ridiculous that you're making me pay $4.99 a month just to get Discovery Plus so that you can watch this one documentary. And so that brings me back to the point. Before I say about the documentary, we have literally like 19 streaming services and it proves your point of yes, you can cancel cable, but you're probably going to end up paying similar amount to have all the different streams to be able to watch the different things. And it's just hard when you see stuff being so followed like in the media or, you know, on Instagram and it's like this documentary coming out and whatever. And then you don't have the stream and it just is so easy to download

it and get it that I'm like, Oh, wow, you know, for $4.99, it's basically like apps on your phone that you pay for, except like on your TV and right. I'm all about it. And Kale's going to have all my logins and probably hack me. So I didn't have, I, but I did watch the Free Britney movement on the New York Times thing, which was on Hulu and I did use your login for that. Well, before we get into that, I just wanted to say that it was really interesting to me that the discovery plus documentary definitely more so followed the intruder conspiracy or theory, whatever you want to call it. It definitely followed more of that. And a lot of things

made made sense to me, but I just can't get past like certain stuff like we talked on the last episode. And then also like more of the side following like the DA and the grand jury and like all of that stuff. So I did find that it was interesting and there was like different information, a lot of information obviously recycled, but, but different information and following the one theory, like it was kind of sticking to that and eliminating it kept reiterating and eliminating the fact that it would have or could have been the parents. So yeah, I'm still sticking to, it was you know, I think about it a lot probably more than an average person thinks about like a crime that like it's probably abnormal,

but yeah, a little bit. I don't, I can't get past and that's why like when people like in your regular life, when you think about like a lie that they've told or whatever, like certain things just don't add up, but you know, at the end of the day that they still lied, like that's how I feel about like Jean Bonet's case. Like I just feel like, yeah, there's a little bit of weird things that don't add up. But at the end of the day, like the parents still did it. Well, the mom probably still did it. I just can't get past the ransom note and I cannot get past the outfits not being changed. And like there's just like too many things where like, yes, I couldn't, and I see how someone would come

to the conclusion that maybe an intruder came in, but like the cobwebs and the window and stuff that we talked about last time, like I just, I can't, I can't bring myself to think anything else. I just can't. Me either. So basically, if you watch the Discovery Plus documentary, you will either now be convinced that it was an intruder or you will be like still too much evidence that is against that theory. So anyhow, then Kale texts me this weekend and she's like, you have to watch. What is it called? It was, I thought it was like Free Britney. I don't know. It was on the New York Times

like show. They have a series and they focus. Oh, it's called Framing Britney Spears. It's called Framing Britney Spears. It's a New York Times series where they do a different episode each week and episode six was on the Free Britney Spears movement. Yes. Well, with that being said, I then take a bath, Kale texts me when I'm in the bath and I'm like, then it makes me go down this rabbit hole where I'm like, okay, in my new house, I'm going to put a TV above my bathtub because I spend an enormous amount of time in the bath. I could get like an hour show in while I'm also taking a bath and killed two birds with one stone. Anyhow, not really important. I get out and I turn on this documentary

and honestly, I don't know. This whole time I've gone back and forth on this like, okay, Free Britney movement, whatever. Crazy. This is just outlandish, whatever. But then there's been times that I'm like, okay, there could be some validity to this. And then after watching that documentary, to me, there is enough that draws the conclusion that there is like, I don't know if you would call it like foul play or whatever, but yeah, like abuse, conservatorship abuse. Yes, I believe that that is going on. And I just can't get past the fact if you are an adult that has earning potential that can go to a job or jobs or, you know, whatever. I don't believe that you should be under that type of conservatorship.

I agree. I and if you if you watch the episode in the beginning, one of the first things, I think it was Felicia, which the whole time watching it was really like I was like nostalgia. Like I was like, Oh, wow, like I remember as a child like seeing pictures and magazines and in the little album, like remember those album things that they had in the CD case where you could take it out and like open it up. And it was like 12 images. Yes, like a little booklet. Yes, magazines with Felicia and Britney. And I always like I knew who Felicia was too, because I was heavily like I was invested like Britney Spears baby one more time, all of that. So when they interviewed her, I think it was her that said one of the

first things that Jamie Spears said was my daughter is going to be so rich. She's going to buy me a boat. So that right there was a red flag for me because it was to me right off the bat. Her dad was invested in the money in the dollar signs. And so that was a huge like turn off and red flag. And then later on, like if she it's stated in the documentary that she knew at some point, I want to say it was after her first or her second son was born, she knew that she wasn't going to be able to fight the conservatorship. She knew that, but she said that she just didn't want her dad to be the one that is the conservator. She just that was the one thing that she asked for. I will say I don't understand to this

day, even after watching the episode, I don't understand why her family, like her mom, her sister, her brother, why they're not speaking out more on on her behalf. And then I know that Jamie Lynn Spears was getting a lot of shit for she was the trustee of of her her revocable trust or something like that. I also have a revocable trust and I have a trustee and things like that. I do not pay this person. That's not somebody that I pay. Someone who will have control of, you know, the money for wherever my kids are so that whoever, you know, if something were to happen to me, the person taking care of my kids could go to the trustee and say, Hey, you know, these are the expenses, you know, Isaac or

Lincoln or Lux or Creed, whatever the case may be. You know, this is these are the expenses. Can I have X amount of dollars? And then the trustee would would give the money. Does that make sense? Yes. So I think they're for people who don't know, like there's like an estate plan and things like that. I don't know why then Jamie Lynn removed herself. And I know that she was trying to move money, I want to say out of the conservatorship and out of Britney's control to like move it out of her control, I think something along those lines. But like, why are they why are they not fighting or speaking against Jamie Spears if they don't agree with it? Because at one point in the in the episode, it was like,

Britney's mom says something about like wanting to have some control over her daughter, you know, giving her some freedom and she wants to see her happy and things like that. And then you turn around and then they're like holding hands coming out of the courthouse. Like I don't understand there's a couple things here. Okay, go ahead. Let's hear it. So let's back up a little bit. Okay. None of us, anyone who's listening, probably, I would say unless you're like Kim Kardashian, but definitely us cannot relate to the level of fame that she experienced as she experienced it. Right. And I think that with that comes a lot of change. She came from a small town. She blew up. She was performing in malls and

then literally she was selling out concerts and arenas. Like that's a lot of change to go through. Definitely developmentally, but like from an emotional standpoint, a mental standpoint. And then to be having paparazzi following you and wanting to know your every move. That's where I feel like it took a turn. The the paparazzi and and I mean the media really did her so dirty and that I think that they needed to focus more on that. Like just the mental health aspect when you're constantly in interviews and seeing yourself in magazines being bashed and everything is negative. And then to me, Justin Timberlake completely took advantage of the situation and played a part in that. I think that that was the

turning point. The point that I want to make here is that none of us can relate to that level of fame and the mental warfare that she was going through when dealing with it. And I think that it's very easy to sit back and say and judge people that you see online or you know, an A-list celebrity or whatever, because I mean, I'm guilty of it. I've used the Britney Spears Umbrella GIF, you know, or GIF, whatever you want to call it. Right. I've used it and now I feel completely horrible after watching that documentary because it's really predatory behavior. And a lot of these things that people are going through, whether it be like a custody battle or just general normal life things that are blown up to the

max because of who they are. And it's spread all over every tabloid that pictures of her were going for millions of dollars. There was just so much that I could understand why someone I can completely understand why she went off the deep end. Had a breaking point. Oh, a hundred. And that was something that I was saying to you too. Like when we were texting about it was, I can't understand, neither of us can understand that magnitude of fame, but I've experienced it on a very, a fraction of a fraction of her scale. And it's like, I've hit my breaking point because of the things that have been said about me that are untrue and the things that have been blown about me that are untrue.

I can only, I can't even imagine what she was going through. I mean, her custody stuff, you know, her breaking point with wanting to shave her head. She doesn't have a good relationship with her dad and he's wanting to take control of her life. Like I cannot imagine people using her fame against her, like what Justin Timberlake did and just all of it. And then her dad wants to turn around and have a conservatorship, but then she's able to do four more albums, four more tours. She's able to do, um, what was the documentary that, um, MTV released, um, where she talks about the conservatorship. It was, um, behind the scenes or something like Britney Spears behind the scenes or something.

Yeah. Well, oh, also before I forget about this point I wanted to make is that when, when there's a lot of money that is involved and people around you haven't seen it, I think that that, um, and, and people would have an agenda and easily be able to, like in her dad's case, easily be able to prove she is crazy. She is incompetent. She is not capable. She is, um, a detriment to herself or to society. There was enough agenda, financial agenda behind it and I can't get over the fact of the boat, you know, and then him trying to press this conservatorship to use that as leverage to control all of her finances. That would be a really sad life kill. I think though on the documentary and correct me if

I'm wrong, I think she gets either one or one and a half percent of her earnings and that's like her allowance. And I'm sure the, if you heard from the other side, it would be, Oh, she gets one and a half percent of her earnings because anything more would be a detriment to herself or whatever. Nowhere in that documentary did it prove that by her having access to more money, that that caused the problems. What it showed to me was that her not having the protection that she should have needed when it came to paparazzi, when it came to the rising fame, that was the issue. Yes. Agreed. Agreed. I think she had, she had more, a little bit more guidance. I mean, that was the peak of, I feel like paparazzi

and like really selling someone's struggles for profit. You know what I mean? Like that was really when for sure. And can you imagine, Kale, someone like a Jojo Siwa or Selena Gomez or whatever, going into an interview, like Brittany was interviewed and these male correspondents or reporters about her virginity. Can you imagine in today's time if that happened? Oh my God. No, I would be, I, no, no, not now, not today. No, people are advocate advocating for, for, for those things to not happen now. They didn't, Brittany didn't have that. And there was an interview where Justin Timberlake got on the radio and they flat out asked him, did you fuck Britney Spears? And he like doesn't know how to ask and he doesn't defend her

and he doesn't, you know what I mean? And he, at that time, he was just coming off of, you know, in sync and trying to get his solo career off the ground and took advantage of someone so vulnerable and such a, and I don't think that anyone put two and two together at the time. And obviously we didn't either because we all use the Britney Spears jiff and, you know, literally said I was, I was going to pull, pull a Britney Spears and shave my own head off at the worst time of my life. You know what I mean? And nobody put two and two together. It's just so fucking heartbreaking. And you know what's even worse is that, you know, I guess it was last year when I was going on her Instagram, like what the fuck

is going on with Britney? Like her Instagram is like, she's just not herself. It's like she's, I don't, and I'm, this is an assumption. And what is the word? Not an assumption and an observation that her Instagram is just like, I don't know if she's medicated. If her mental health has just deteriorated that much. But I went on, that was last year when I was like, what the fuck is going on? And then this year yesterday I went on her Instagram and she has a video on her feed of kinetic sand. Okay. And it's she has it in a ball and she puts her finger in it and then it like kind of like falls apart. And the caption is I do this about two hours a day. I'm sad for her. Like I'm, I feel horrible. I feel

like when you're, think about the people in like in a mental health hospital that are just being medicated and they're not actually being helped. Do you know what I mean? Remember when we had the episode of Rachel where she went to, um, Provo Canyon Canyon school and she said that they don't even act like they don't even give her real therapy and help. They literally just drugged her like they just gave her meds. But I think that that's society today. I think that's not like Britney is if she's capable to, she's, she refused to work until her dad was removed from the conservatorship as like the conservator, which speaks fucking volumes. Like she's not asking for much. She's

saying that she it's okay. Well, I'm not saying she said it's okay, but she understood that she couldn't fight it. She couldn't go against it. She's willing to work and to continue making money because she's obviously fucking capable. But then to see, to know that and then to hear that she's like basically confined to her own house most of the time. And then she's playing with kinetic sand for two hours a day and then she posts about it. Like there's something wrong there. There's something very wrong. And I want to join like the free Britney movement because something is very wrong. And I feel like as a, as a woman that we do have a voice and

we can't speak up that it's, it's wrong. And there needs to be more awareness around that and the mental health aspect just in general, people do not understand and we can't understand to like an A-list level how, you know, how she is, but the mental toll that it takes on a human being and why someone who has ever had any form of fame or notoriety or whatever you want to call it, probably has signed themselves up for a lifetime of therapy and problems that have come from that. I think that that's a very important point to make that she no matter if her conservatorship ever gets turned over or whatever, because of what she faced with the media tabloids, just general public, the people in the business like Justin Timberlake,

those types of things she is going to struggle with and have repercussions from that stuff for the rest of her life. I, I could not, I still can't wrap my head around watching interviews of her as a young girl and a young woman to now her Instagram, like the videos of her on her Instagram. You know what I mean? Like the comparison of who she was and who she is today and I don't blame her one bit. Like I don't, none of this was her fault in my opinion. Well, Will was like her voice completely changed. Like her face, everything about her face, her voice, everything that she said, like

even the video that she just posted about the Super Bowl, like she's not the same. Like it's sad. I just, it's so fucking, it's heartbreaking. Like, and we don't even know her. Imagine the people that are close to her and do they see it the same way that we do? Or is it on a greater scale or a lesser scale? Or do they think, Oh, that's just Brittany? You know what I mean? Where it's like, no, that's not just Brittany. That's what the fucking public and everyone around her did to her because nobody knew how to handle what she was going through.

And to that point though, you said that you don't understand why other people in her family like isn't speaking up like her sister, her mom, whatever. This is just a complete speculation. My thoughts on that were, I'm wondering if her estate or business has some type of like gag order or non-disclosure to where no one in the family can speak on the issues regarding Brittany publicly. Yeah, I mean, that definitely makes sense. That definitely makes sense. It just, I guess it just sucks from. I mean, it sucks from, from all perspective. I can imagine it sucks for that. Like they

are just as hard. Yeah, you're right. I just, it's just looking at it from the other situations that I think a lot of people that are, I'm trying to figure out how to say this properly without divulging too much, I think that when you are media followed and that there is an agenda to be pressed or whatever, that if other people have a benefit in the situation, they might be less likely to speak out knowing that there could be ramifications against them financially or whatever. So they're going to take the financial benefit versus doing the right thing. Does that make sense? Right. Okay. Yes. Okay. So in that way, there may or may not be money involved.

Yes. Because I know that Jamie Lynn was saying that she hasn't received a dime from her sister and I'm not here to decide whether she has or she hasn't, but that was one thing. She basically said that she believes in her sister and that nobody has room to talk about it. And you're right. She may very well just not be able to and it sucks, but I mean, maybe it's in the best interest. I don't know. It's just, it's so heartbreaking to see from just a fan's perspective and I hope that people aren't like in her family saying, you know, all that's just Brittany or, you know, I'm just going off of the interviews I've seen

of her as a young woman and a young girl versus the Instagram posts now are, I can't like it's so sad. It feels like a mystery. Like it's like an eerie, weird mystery and it's fucking heartbreaking. I also just wonder, this is, this is truly just like a question. I wonder if a little bit of North and South comes into play in this situation because dads to me in the South are very controlling in general, like the, um, and especially with their daughters. Of a man like taking care of the family and having the final say and things like that. Is that what you mean?

Yeah. And especially when it comes to their daughters and stuff. And so I just wonder if part of the upbringing of where they're from, um, with it, you know, being from the South has anything to do, to do with it. Like maybe her dad is like a very controlling Southern man and like, I do think that men in the South, and this could just be a complete, uh, stereotype that I'm saying that I do, I tend to find men or dads in the South being a lot crazier than people or dads from the North. Um, I don't know, but you brought up the point that if that was a situation with your kids or whatever that you would hope that one of your boys or your boys would be able to speak

out like if they wanted to. And yes, I agree with you, but also you're not like, uh, controlling narcissistic asshole. Oh, I'm not because there's rumors that I am. So, okay. Well, I'm glad rumors are that just from knowing you personally, that couldn't be further from, from the truth. So I think that you can make that, you have that perspective because you aren't that, does that make sense? Yeah, yeah, for sure. I just think the whole thing is so sad. And I, I hope that everyone that's close to Brittany is really doing everything they can because I can't imagine, you know, feeling I just, I cannot, I don't even want to say too much because I don't

want to say the wrong thing. You know what I mean? Like I don't want to say something that is going to make it more like, are we contributing to the struggle, the struggles that she's facing right now by talking about it? Like I don't even want to do more. You know what I mean? So I just, I want to be careful with the things that I say and the way that I word things. I don't want to say anything that could potentially cause her more harm. Not that she cares about this fucking podcast, but you get what I mean. She's definitely not listening to this, but I'm just saying like, I feel horrible for her.

But please, Brittany, do listen to us. Also, yeah. Moving on from this though, I have to tell you something that is so freaking funny. The pictures that I got in my DMs from last week of people with their kids, with their clothes looking insane, coming from like a custody exchange or whatever it's called. Like what do y'all call that? Not a custody exchange, but is that like what it is? Yeah. Yeah. Oh, okay. So like that or kids coming back from their grandparents, it's like the blue jeans are ripped. There's like mud everywhere. They might be wearing two different shoes. Like the pictures that I got were so freaking funny.

That's so funny. I love that. I definitely like, I want them to look nice. We talked about this. I want them to look nice, but I, it's so funny. If you've, if you've ever been on TikTok and you see the videos, it's like how my mother-in-law dresses my kid and how I dress her. There's like how my husband or my ex dresses my kid and how I dress him. It's like literally two different worlds. So it's so funny to me because I can't relate in the fact of like a custody exchange or anything like that. However, when I get pictures, like for example, if we're traveling for the podcast or something and we're together and I get a picture of Jackson and what he's wearing,

I'm like, where did those clothes even come from? Like I've never seen them. Like where did we'll find them? And then it's like Will's like having him, you know, taking him out to lunch in the ugliest outfit. Yes. And it drives me nuts, but I'm just like, okay, that's just a battle that I'm not going to fight because he's taking care of him. He's fed. He might not be clean. But like, does Jackson think about it? Does he like the outfit? Does he not care? Like, does he? Oh gosh. So the other day I went to late Jackson's closeout for school and I went into his bathroom

and there was like this weird outfit in there and I was just like, what is going on? Like who put this here? And it was just like jeans that I had never seen before and Jackson doesn't really like jeans and I don't know if anyone else's kids are like this. Oh, Isaac hates them. Isaac, Isaac and Lincoln both hate jeans. Okay. So they only want to wear joggers all the time. I'm assuming. Yes. All the time. Yes. All the time.

Same. So there are blue jeans in there and I'm like, first of all, where did these even come from? And Will's like notorious for going to Goodwill and like buying stuff and not telling me not like clothes for Jackson or anything like that. But he might like, I might find a little like knickknack in the garage or something. And it's because Will's been to Goodwill. So in my mind, I'm thinking, why, maybe I don't know. Like what kind of knickknacks is he getting from Goodwill and why are they in the garage? They're in the garage because he knows that I'm going to be like, why are you bringing junk into the house? Like I take things to Goodwill and he brings things home from Goodwill.

I just want to know what he's buying. Like golf clubs. Okay. I've got a funny story about that actually. But anyway, the blue jeans were laying in there and then there was like this shirt that was too small. It was like an under armor shirt that was like a dry fit shirt and it had like American flag or something on the front. Definitely something that you would wear like in the summertime. First of all, it was short sleeves and it was just like, okay, a dry fit under armor shirt really doesn't go with these blue jeans. Like it's a two totally different looks trying to be put together. So either Jackson did this, which I don't believe because he doesn't like

blue jeans or have no idea why Will did this. So I went and just like put the stuff back on his dresser and got out an actual outfit and put it in his bathroom. And Jackson thinks it's so funny whenever I like start going in on Will about his lack of fashion. Wait, Jackson laughs about it. Oh, like hysterically because I'll be like, you have no fashion sense. Like, I don't know who told you that this goes together. Like this looks terrible. Where did these things even come from? blah, blah, blah. So anyway, basically Will dresses Jackson like a jackass and not here for it. Let me tell you this story though about Good Will. So Will told me that he went to Good Will like a couple of weeks ago and that he

found this golf club and he was like, Oh, like I can repurpose this and like make it nice and whatever repurpose a golf club like for golfing or for something else. Unsure, to be honest, like he said golf. No, like not really like so what the fuck are you repurposing a golf club with? I don't know. I think it's truly to see if he can do it. Like to see if he can like re grip it like like he wanted to do a project. Okay. Okay, but this gets good. So then I like go in my basement and I find fingernail polish down there that like doesn't belong to me. So I'm like, who's is this? And like I didn't want to start asking questions because you know, sometimes when you start asking questions, you get answers

that you don't want. So sometimes it's just like best not to go there to not. Yeah. But it was like a white fingernail polish, a red fingernail polish and a blue fingernail polish. And I was like, Okay, it clearly looks like somebody was painting their nails for the fourth of July. But definitely not. And these were ones that looks like they were maybe like dollar store brand or something. So it was like, Okay, this definitely looks like something will ball. But why would he be buying fingernail polish? Like, I have so many questions. So then he goes to Goodwill and he bought this golf club and then he bought some kind of like, like re grip stuff so that he could like re grip it. Well, then apparently he

got into an altercation with like some workers at Goodwill. Okay, because supposedly will knows like when they put stuff out and when they don't. And why? Okay. And so he said, I know that they just like got a whole thing of golf clubs, but they just put like one out and whenever it gets gone, they'll go and put the other one out until like, so they always have a golf club or something. And I'm like, well, that's just like a weird theory, but like whatever. So Will says he gets in trouble because he walked in the back of Goodwill. Can you imagine this? It's like six foot four guy walking back in the stock room of Goodwill. And I'm like,

what in the actual hell is like going on? So he says that the people like start yelling at him and stuff saying that he can't be back there. And he was like, well, I know that there's like the other golf clubs back here or whatever. So I want to be able to get them. And the guy was like, well, we put stuff out whenever we get it. And Will was like, no, like you definitely didn't. There's more golf clubs back here and I want to get them. And Will was like, I'm pretty sure they just wanted to keep them for themselves. Like they probably the people who work at Goodwill probably see the good stuff come in and they just keep it and like they don't put it out. And I'm like, first of all, the fact that you're arguing

with people who work at Goodwill and like the stock people at Goodwill, I'm pretty sure they don't have any investment and like what's coming in there. First of all, secondly, again, question that you have, why is Will buying golf clubs? Third, the fingernail polish was for when he was like redoing these golf clubs on the like part where you hit, it'll have like a brand or whatever. And they have like a color on there. And so he was painting them. Can you imagine this? No, why? There's other paint to use. Why was he using nail polish, dollar store? I don't know. I have so many questions that I really want to get him on the podcast. Like I want to know how he got invested in Goodwill. I want to know how often

he goes. I want to know what kinds of things he buys or what he looks for. I just I have a lot of questions. He says that they have like a lot of stuff, a lot of like really good stuff. Oh, I know plenty of people that get like really, really good stuff at Goodwill. Like I'm I don't doubt it, but like what what does Will look for? But I'm not that type of shopper. You know what I mean? Like I couldn't go into Goodwill and be like, Oh yeah, I can make that into a gym. Like, well, right, like we're just like not those types. Like I I'm not I'm not creative in that way. Like I went through a phase where I was wanting to like go to Goodwill and like repurpose furniture. And then I realized I was horrible at it and

I just didn't get better. How have we all been through that phase? I wonder how many people who are listening to this have also been through that phase and then realized like, okay, this is just not for me, like totally not for me. I hope I hope I'm not the only one. Well, I know for a fact you're not because I also was that person I was thinking I was going to be a repurposer that I was going to you know, like make all these gyms and I did nothing but fuck everything up. So that's what happened there. I always oh and then like occasionally I'll see Will wearing like something that I've never seen before. And I'm like, that's interesting. Like, where did you get that? And he literally like sneaks

it in the laundry somehow. And I don't know. And it gets washed and it came from Goodwill. And I'm like, but he goes all the time kill. I swear to you, like this is like in his free time. And he has a lot of it. Just like, literally, I could probably be going to the gym, no lie. And this man would be like I could pass by Goodwill and probably find his truck there at any given time. So does he take Jackson ever on absolutely actually Jackson. The biggest accident that Jackson's ever had he bust his chin open at Goodwill because will was letting him play with like ride on toys at Goodwill. And I'm like, Goodwill people that like work there regularly when

they see you guys coming they probably are like, Oh, fuck. Oh, I bet. Can you imagine like will it is not it is not rare for him to want to wake up early on a Saturday morning, take Jackson to Bojangles and get breakfast and then Bojangles. What is that? Do you guys have that? No, I don't like it. But it's kind of like, do you all have Popeyes? Yes, you do have Popeyes. Okay, so Bojangles is kind of like Louis, Louisiana style, I think it is, but they have breakfast biscuits and like stuff like that, and fried chicken. And so they go there sometimes Jackson actually hates it, but will loves it. So they'll sometimes do that like really early on a Saturday morning and then just like go and sit in

the Goodwill parking lot until freaking Goodwill opens shut up. I'm not making it up and I'm just like, Oh my God, like, can you give Jackson like a GoPro or something to document one of their trips to Goodwill? Oh yeah, he would actually love to see this like I I just need to see like what they what catches their eye like what they're interested in how many things like I just have so many questions like I I'm so interested how many people that are listening to this are like all time thrifters because I think that that is I envy people who are good fucking thrifters that fine good shit like that go I don't know that I'm not a person that can like look through things like I just don't like to do I don't even like to go shopping

in a regular store that's organized. And like all of those things like I just don't want to go shopping I'm not a shopper. Like if I was good at it, I would do it. Yeah, I've just but I'm not like I'm not gonna look through things and like do all of that but I've seen people get some really good stuff at Goodwill. Like what like what kind of things probably better than golf clubs I'm sure. Well, so I actually saw I watched I follow this girl on tiktok and she's planning her wedding. And she found she's buying all of her girls bridesmaid dresses but she found and she tries all of them on and like she has like a whole aesthetic that she's going with and she like updates everyone. And she found one of her

dresses for $4 at Goodwill and it's actually really really pretty. I'll send you the video. Oh my god, I need video evidence of this and I need everyone to write into us and tell us like if you're an ultimate thrifter, if your husband is like an avid Goodwill shopper and then I'll determine if I'm just married to a psycho or like a normal person. Moving on moving on from that. Okay, since we are so into like American crimes and whatever. I did see this crazy thing and I just have to get all of y'all's perspective on this because I feel a type of way about it. So I don't know if you saw that Casey Anthony was going to be doing a documentary about her daughter's death. Yes. And it said that

she will be an executive producer and they're calling it like an authorized documentary and it will be an authorized documentary. Unsure. But it basically said that she will offer her viewpoint of the gruesome death of her two year old Kaylee and the co executive producer was saying that she's finally ready to like clear her name, bring justice and shed like a different light. And that producer other producers on the show are quoted saying that many of the revelations will be shocking. So a couple of things on this. If she is an executive producer of this, there's financial benefit for her to do this. Correct. And so I have a really hard time on people like who I would say that I feel have committed crimes

that are so gruesome like this to pad their pocket, financially benefit. Yes. By watching it but also it's something that I want to cover. So like how I don't know. And that's so hard because I totally hear you. It's like OJ Simpson's book. If I had done it, this is what I would have done kind of thing. Yes, we all know OJ fucking did it. There's no other fucking explanation. But yet here we are reading his goddamn book and supporting him and filling his pockets. I hear you. Love didn't fit must acquit. Yeah, no, but it it he he did it. And I don't you can't convince me otherwise. So the same thing like I'm highly invested and I need to watch I need to watch this documentary but also don't

want to give her. I just feel like it's one of those things that if you watch it, you're silently supporting it. Yeah, right. Like, but also I want to watch it because I followed the case so heavily. Yeah, same that it would be not natural for me not to watch it even though my standpoint is I don't want her to financially benefit from any of this. And I find it to be sickening. I would really like to know how much she's making to do this documentary because I feel if you want to clear your name and you really didn't do it and you know, there's so so many shocking revelations, then you should be willing to do it without being finding having financial gain. I agree. I definitely agree. There's

just between her OJ Simpson and Patsy Ramsey like they all I don't know. I can't but you're right. I mean, I wouldn't I'm going to watch it and that's it sucks. It sucks when you're like between a rock and a hard place like you want to know what she's going to say to potentially clear her name. But at the end, I don't think that anything she says whatever revelations, you know, they think are going to sway us. There's no way that I would I'm going to be swayed. There's also no way that I'm going to be swayed. But also I'm going to watch it. I just want to know when is it air and was it on Netflix or what is it on? I don't know if it's if they've released an air date or anything like that. I can do some

more research. I did read. Yeah, I did read something about it. And I want to say maybe it was on like an advertisement somewhere. I don't remember where I saw it or when I saw it was recently, but I did see that and I was like, what the hell? Like what the I didn't know that she was going to be an executive producer. I thought she was going to be interviewed. I mean, how does this woman live? Where does she live? How is she living? Did she change her name? Like, I mean, I know that people tried to kill her after she was acquitted or whatever. But like, how do you live after that? Like, where do you? How do you live a normal life? That's why I'm so interested in just seeing what she not that I really

care what she has to say. I just want to hear what she has to say because I think it's something I say it's like important to my life. I have watched so much of everything of that story like unfold and just followed it so heavily that it would be really weird for me not to watch it. So I just want to know like, how other people feel about that? You know, is it is it silently supporting? Is it being informed? Like, is it what, what do you consider it? Because I'm a little bit conflicted on it. But then in other news, probably the last thing that we have time for today is a question for you, Kale. Someone wrote in and said, I'm curious how each of you feel about gender selection. I have two daughters and would

love to have a son, but I'm wondering what you feel about it morally, financially and ethically. I've gotten a lot of pushback from my family when spoken about it, but there is no guarantee as we all know that even three or four more children would give me a boy as much as I love my girls. I'm not sure I can be six kids deep waiting for a little guy to join our family. I would love your feedback and thoughts. Thanks so much. I don't have many friends working multiple jobs and as a mom with very young kids and love that I feel that I have girlfriends listening to your podcast. So I have a lot to say about this and it's crazy that someone asked that after I told you what I'm doing, Lindsay.

So as everyone that listens to this knows, I have four boys. I made an appointment for March 9th where I'm going, that's my initial appointment to go through the process to have my eggs frozen. That being said, if and when the time comes, if I want to get married later on or have another child later on, that would be the way that I want to do it just because I don't know what type of health I'll be in at that point or if I'll be able to conceive naturally because I've had trouble in the past and some things with my heavy periods have led me to go in this direction. And I was informed by Lindsay and just knowing that I would be able to essentially pick the genders based on the healthiest embryos. Why wouldn't

I do gender selection? You know what I mean? Like why wouldn't I? I don't care what people would have to say about it. I don't care if they, to me, I don't think there's ethically anything wrong with it. I don't think there's anything morally wrong with it. I think that the people that are feeling like it's, you know, not what God chose or whatever. I mean, I'm sure there are a ton of things in their lives that God didn't wouldn't have chosen for them. But they, you know, sin differently than you. I just, I feel like you should not consider anyone else's opinion on this. This is something that is up to you and only you and your doctor. And I personally don't see anything wrong with it. I don't see anything

ethically wrong with it. I don't, how do you feel Lindsay? Like I don't know what more I can say if, you know, if, if they, if they come back to me, you know, in five years, 10 years, if I want to have another child and they tell me, Oh, you have two healthy girl embryos and two healthy boys, which ones do you think I'm going to pick? Well, right, because I'm going to pick the girl ones. And my point to you, I didn't know if you were going to share that information. So I didn't want to like say anything, but when you crave so much to have a girl, it would be when you're already going through that whole process already. It's, to me, I see

why people say that ethically you shouldn't do gender selection because of your religious beliefs, whatever. However, I have some people that are very close to me who have gone through IVF and who did do gender selection. And I don't think any differently of them. And quite honestly, you're going through a science process anyway, it's not a natural process. And so for that reason alone, I think that just negates the whole argument of if it's wrong or right. I think that Well, what's the alternative? You're going to keep trying to have kids until you have a girl and then you have three kids that you essentially, I'm not saying that you didn't

want them or that they don't, you don't love them, but that would be like me, you know, I want to have a girl so bad that I'm willing to have six kids to get to the seventh child. That's finally a girl. I mean, what's the alternative to me? I feel like why not just go through the process to pick the girl and then I don't bring three other children into this world by trying to have a girl, right? So to me, which one is more, do you know what I'm saying? Like we, we live in a direct generation where it's, it's scientifically possible to go through a process to have a baby that you didn't quote unquote, naturally conceive. So if you have that also ability to choose the gender, why

I just don't see why you wouldn't. So I feel like at the end of the day, you're the one feeding your kids, not your mother-in-law, not your mother-in-law's cousins, brothers, sisters, boyfriend, like none of these people are feeding your kids and you're taking care of them. You're living with them. You have to raise them. And while they are a part of that, they're not the ones that are there day in and day out. So do what you want and what makes you happy. That's how I feel. I mean, at the end of the day, we're all going, we're all your mother-in-law or whoever, your mom, your sister, they're all going to do what they want to do with their families and, you know, maybe stop offering your opinion on

their life and maybe they'll do, they'll follow suit and stop offering opinion on yours. I don't know. Or maybe just don't fucking tell them. How about that? Yeah, I was, and I don't, I'm not saying it to be, I'm not saying it in a bitchy way. It's like, okay, if you want to have negative opinions about every single thing I'm doing, I just, I'm not telling you anything anymore. I think that's like the motto for 2021 is just like, don't tell anybody anything and just do what makes you feel happy and complete and whatever because to be perfectly honest, um, I don't really feel like any man, any other woman, any whatever should have any control of what a woman does with her body and what decisions, what decisions that

she makes. And I think that, like I said, you're already going through a scientific process anyway, and that's just a perk of it. And so, you know, with that being said, you know, then you run into the, okay, well obviously somebody's choosing, right? Because if you're going through the IVF process anyway, a doctor's not going to choose to implant an unhealthy embryo. So there's already a selection process in there to begin with. So to me, it's not that big of a deal. And I just think, I think it's so insane that we have access to science in that way, that that can be chosen. Yeah. Like it's insane. That's such, such a good point that you're already going through the scientific process.

Like, I don't know, pick one friend that you're able to, you're able to trust and, and doesn't judge you and you feel safe with and let, you know, because you always, you need that one person that you can talk to about certain things, pick that one person you trust or write into our podcast so we can discuss it for you. And then just don't tell the other people the rest because that's your, that's your choice and your prerogative and I support. I also support. So anyhow, well, what are you doing for the rest of the day? Anything fun? I'm filming a scene and then I'm going to take my dog to the vet at three o'clock.

So that's fun. I feel like nothing's wrong with him just to check up always at the vet at the doctor, at the barber shop, at the dentist or at the dentist, any dermatologist, like, does it ever end? No, never, never, never. Oh, oh, I also just wanted to say that I don't have frying pans in my bushes anymore and my house is complete and it feels so good. So good. Yes. Oh my God, it feels so good. I spent the whole day cleaning yesterday and just like getting all of my stuff in order. I put together gift bags for something that we have coming up

for coffee combos and just like, it felt so good to just like have my stuff in a place. But anyway, okay, well, that's all we have time for today. If you guys have not followed us on at coffee combos podcast on Instagram, make sure you follow us over there. If you guys have not started using our GIFs or GIFs, whatever the hell you call them, type in coffee combos with no space in the little search bar for your stories and you can find them all there. I love seeing them come through on stories. It's just so cute. And if you guys have not subscribed to us, you can do that by searching the purple podcast app on your iPhone or tablet and type in coffee combos, click subscribe, click the fifth star, leave

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