Coffee Convos with Kail Lowry and Lindsie Chrisley - 15: Kail and Lindsie talk to a Psychic Medium

Episode Date: February 15, 2018

Our special guest this week is Psychic Medium Kareen. Kareen discusses what it feels like to be a Psychic Medium. Lindsie talks about how she grew up being told that going to a Psychic Medium, reading cards, etc is a form of witchcraft, and to stay away from it. One of the girls from 16 and Pregnant has a chance to ask questions about her daughter. Kail talks about wanting to know about her miscarriage, and Kareen gives her some answers and closure. Kail and Kareen dive into Kail's childhood.  Kareen tells Lindsie about her future and more children. Kareen talks about how she believes in God and tells Lindsie about what heaven looks like. Kail believes in nothing and has never prayed. This is a super interesting conversation that you guys will not want to miss. Today's episode is brought to you by EasyKicks, for go to easykicks.com/joinnow to sign up and use code EZLISTEN for $5 off. See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

Welcome to coffee combos. I was trying to sing into the microphone for our welcome, our intro, but I got a little nervous. So let's do it. Let's just practice. Want me to sing? Yeah. Sing it. And we'll see if people like it.

And if they don't, then we'll never do it again. I'm going to come up with a beat for us to do the intro and I'll like sing it, you know. Okay. And we can just play it on everyone. Why don't you do the beat and then she sings? Because I have no rhythm. I can clap. I can't like beat.

We'll work on it and we'll practice it for the next time. We want to introduce our guest to you guys this week. Her name's Corrine, and she has a psychic medium. And we're so happy to have her. Hi, guys. Yeah, I do. So tell us what you're your name, where you're from. So my name's Corrine.

I'm from San Diego. I grew up in San Diego. I went to college in Portland, Oregon for a year and a half. I took seven classes a quarter to graduate so I could get the heck out of there. Oh, wow. Yeah, the weather sucks. Yeah, I can imagine. I started reading about eight years ago after my aunt passed away.

I got a reading from a medium and then just got super addicted after connecting with my aunt who passed away and got another reading from this other psychic and she told me that I was gifted and that I was going to write a book and be super successful. And then I started noticing the spirits I was seeing. So I saw spirits my whole life, but it's just kind of normal. It's kind of like if someone were to talk to you and you're dating. daydreaming, but you think that you're daydreaming, but you're really seeing spirits. And then I had like severe anxiety and I didn't know it was all correlated. So I basically like grew up like the anxious, scared like mess. And I just, I'm still like unraveling all of it. And like I try to decipher between my own anxiety and picking up on other people's energy and then other spirits.

And you see them? Is it like a person? Like you see a person? I've seen them like a person. Those ones are more of my own loved ones, though, that have passed away. That's happened three times. But when I see them, it's in my head. And it's weird. It's crazy. It just happens like one time. Before I started doing this, I had met this girl at a bar that I worked at.

And she just started, and I knew that her friend had passed away. I didn't know anything else. And she had texted me just saying, like, hope you have a good day today. We became friends instantly. And when she texted me, I saw this guy waving at me. and I knew, because I have the gift of knowing, I knew that it was her friend. And then it was like playing with a mime because I couldn't hear him talking. So he was like, I'm going to show you with his hands.

I'm going to show you around my apartment. So he shows me around his apartment, like this pitch black mess. There's like a bong on the counter, needles everywhere, alcohol, like party house. So I text her and I'm like, hey, was your friend like over six feet tall? Did his apartment look like this? and she's like, yeah, and then he takes off his baseball, or it was a basketball hat, and shows me the colors of it. I don't remember the team.

And I said, was he like in a basketball or something? She's like, oh, my God, you're freaking me out. How do you know this? I'm like, because I can see it. And then he showed me him sitting down on a couch, injecting himself, and it was just an accident. Like, he accidentally overdosed. And then, like, his soul coming out of his body and, like, freaking out that he had died. So I have, like, so many stories like that where it just happens.

I don't know. I don't have any control over it just happens. Do you ever, like, tell people your stories or your gift and they're like, they don't believe you? And what do you say to them? All the time. I used to care and I used to prove it. It's funny because I'm writing a book right now. And the editor that I'm working with, I explained to him what I did. And he emailed me back and he was like, why are you trying to convince me? And I didn't realize that I was doing that. And so ever since then, I don't know. I've just kind of made peace with it. And I don't, I don't care. And also, I've done so many readings that I just know. the people that I meant to help will come across my path and I don't feel like I

need to explain myself or prove what I do to anyone anymore. It's just too much energy. Right. But you don't get like... I mean, I have family members that like are not cool with it. And that used to bother me. But now I've just helped so many people it doesn't... Right. People are either going to believe or they're not going to believe. Because I grew up like being told that you should never go to a psychic medium or you should never go to somebody who reads like tarot cards or whatever that they it was considered a form of witchcraft i was raised the same way okay my my dad is a hard he was a hardcore christian he converted to catholicism but i was raised the same way and so i mean i was in the closet up until i just came out of the closet in march i used to read under a different name and so and it was

just being taught that this wasn't okay and i mean i did it and then i stopped doing it and i would do it and then I would stop doing it. And I just recently told myself, I'm helping people. It's not like I'm, like, casting spells on people and, like, channeling the double or doing any of that stuff. But before you knew, you were, like, a medium. Mm-hmm. Did you have, like, all of these thoughts, like, your whole life? Or...

Um, what thoughts? Like, just, like, where you could read people. Yeah. But I thought it was normal. Like, I had... I would pick up my parents' house was haunted growing up, and the ghost. there would mess with me, like lock my door, turn lights off. And so I was always scared. I've always slept with a nightline on. I still do. Really? I couldn't even, I remember in high school I got

this really bad eye infection because I wouldn't wash my face because when I would close my eyes, I would see scary ghosts. And so I started to have, I still have to wash my eyes with baby shampoo because I like, it wouldn't go away. So I guess I always knew, but I didn't know, like, you understand I mean, I had such severe anxiety because my childhood was pretty rough. And so I thought that it was just from that. I didn't know. It was a combination of like picking up on spirits and stuff. I mean, it even still happens. I did a reading probably like six months ago. It was this mom and her daughter. And they wanted to talk to the father. The father had been kidnapped, taken to Mexico and like brutally tortured. And my gift is a gift of feeling. I feel I see, I hear and I know. And so, but my main. gift is a gift of feeling so spirit will make me feel a certain way like before somebody died how the family fell and it's just really overwhelming and the the reading was two hours long and um it just did a number on me and it was hard because the mom wanted to know everything and the daughter didn't want her so i was like in this shitty situation where or the shitty position where i kind

had to like filter a little because i wouldn't want i didn't want the mom to know everything so anyways Afterwards, I went and I met my husband. Because of protection, like, for her, you didn't want her to know everything? I didn't. And it was, yeah, I didn't think there was a point for her to know, like, how bad he was tortured and, like, what exactly they did to him. Like, yeah, he was kidnapped. Yeah, they kept him hostage, and then, yeah, they killed him.

There's no point in knowing for anyone. Yeah, I didn't. I told her some of them, but I just, you saw them. Yeah, I felt them, like, felt it. That's so scary and, like, sad. Yeah. Yeah. So then after I went and met my husband.

and my kids for lunch, and as soon as I sat down, I looked at my husband. I'm like, fuck. I'm sorry. Oh, I curse all the time, so fuck. I said I'm having a panic attack. And luckily, our kids were like downstairs playing. And he knows, like, he ordered me a drink. I had two margaritas and then I was fine, which is so bad. I'm like, drinking so bad. I need to figure out a different way to, like, handle it. But that's just the way I've taught myself. So how do your husband and kids react to this gift that you have? Oh, they just don't. My daughter is into like meditating in crystals. My stepson is too.

My husband's a CPA. So he's more like it doesn't make sense. But I've done a reading for him, which just happened one night when I came home from doing this unsolved murder case. And I woke him up and I told him what had happened. And so interesting. He was like, if you're so good, then what were my dad's two favorite snacks? And I heard this guy's voice and he said, say popcorn and vanilla ice cream. And so I said it and he looks at me and he's like, how the fuck did you know that?

And I said, because I heard him. And then it like opened. I saw this man drawing on these notepads, but like just doodling. And then these boxes full of them. And I told him and he's like, I forgot my dad used to do that. He used to watch TV and doodle, but he would save them all. And then it just flashed to another scene where he was working. on building. It was like this dark garage and all I saw was a light and then him working on

something. I think he was making boats. I don't remember what else I told him. But after that, my husband was like, you have to quit your job and do this full time. Did he think you were like crazy before that? Or he just was like didn't, within disbelief. Like, what do you think? Because obviously he was thinking prior to that. He was married to her already. So, no, we weren't. We were boyfriend, girlfriend. We weren't married yet. Um, he was open to it. He just didn't. He's more of like like, like, scientific. Like it doesn't make sense. You can't prove it. Right. And so he was he wasn't like judgey about it. He was just like I've never had an experience with it. And so I can't speak to it. He was never like an asshole or anything though. He was really supportive. I've never seen or heard or read of like a man who has these gifts. Have you met men that can do this? Yes. Actually the one medium that I go to, he's a male and usually they're gay. There's nothing. There's nothing wrong with gay people. But he's married and he has kids. So I don't know if, I don't know why. I don't know why it is, it is mostly women, but I know a really good male one.

Wow. I would be interested to like meet. Well, like Tyler Henry. Oh, you're right. He's from what, the E channel, right? Yeah, like from. What is his name? Tyler Henry. Oh, wow.

We should have him on the podcast and you guys should tell us about herself. He's got like his own show. Well, we should get Corrine her own show, damn it. I don't know if I'd want to do that. I feel like there'd be like so much. I don't know. I don't. Not for my family.

I don't think my husband. and my kids would want to be on today. So you know how I told you that, like, biblically there's, like, eight spiritual gifts. Mm-hmm. And that... Do we know what they are? I think it's, like, feeling and seeing... Hearing? There's, like, a lot...

I don't know. We can look it up, like, the eight spiritual gifts. I guess I can look it up. I'm not religious. I don't know anything about it. Let's take a break for a second because I want to tell you about something that I discovered. Did you know that you've spent a third of your life in your sheets, and that the sheets on your bed really affect how you sleep.

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are among the spiritual gifts listed in First Corinthians. I have a question. One of the that was on 16 and pregnant. Her name is Lindsay. She just recently had twins, and she just asked in the live. She was a boy and a girl. They're twins, and she's wanting to know

if you would be able to tell her about when she would be able to find out what is going on with her twin daughter. Yeah, I mean, so I need it. So when I connect with people, I ask for a picture. Okay, can I show you one? Yeah.

Or can you pull it up on your phone so she can hear it on this? What's her name? Her Instagram as Lil Mama Lins. See, this is the thing, too. Like, I have to ask her questions. Like, is she slow, like, with her motor skills? I think she's brand new, so I'm not sure.

Okay, this is her. This is her. Okay. And then... She's very feisty. This is the baby. I'm trying to think of how to put this so it doesn't scare her. The daughter is very feisty.

If you need to ask her anything, we can ask her on here. I feel like something's just wrong, like, developmentally. Like, she doesn't process things like other children. Okay. I do feel like she's going to have, like, a learning disability, but I don't feel like she's going to struggle her entire life. It's just going to be, like, a hiccup up until she's, like, seven or eight, and then she'll be okay.

Do you think it's because she was pre-me, like, super early? Is it related to that? Like, what I would say is because she's supposed to be that way. Like when we're born the way we are because we're supposed to learn the lessons we're supposed to. But I feel like, yeah, they would blame it on that. And I feel like she looks completely different from the other baby, too. Like, is the other baby, like, fatter and, like, gaining weight easy? Yes.

Yeah. I feel like it's obvious. Yeah, exactly. That's what I saw. Let me see. Oh, wow. I thought something else is wrong, too. Like body-wise or developmentally?

Both. Okay. I feel like her body doesn't store fat, and she's not eating as much as she's supposed to, but maybe it's a stomach issue where she can't take as much food as the brother. I just feel like she's going to be in and out of the doctor's office, and they're not going to be able to figure out what's wrong. But I'm seeing her. I'm not seeing the baby passed away.

Okay. I feel like it's just going to be a challenge for her, because I feel like she's going to be super, stressed out about it. Yeah, it's just going to be her hard baby. Honestly, what the biggest thing I get, though, is, like, developmentally, the baby's slow. Ask her if she cries a lot, too. Like, if she can't, like, soothe her and stop her from crying. Okay. Let's see what she says. Lindsay was on the show years ago. I think her daughter is, like, seven, her oldest daughter? I'm freaked out. Why? Why? Oh, no. Why are you freaked out? Just like if you know, see.

stuff. So she said her liver is failing? Oh my gosh. Is what it looks like people are saying? I didn't, I didn't see it. So I'm not sure. She used to, not anymore. I feel like that'll start again. There's something, I feel like she's also like really sensitive, I mean, to people's energy as well. And that's why she's like really fussy and I feel like only certain people can hold her. in the family. Like if she were to pass her off to like a friend or something, she was just like freak out. I don't,

I'm not sure how old they are. I know she had them super, super early. I feel like she's going to get diagnosed with something. I don't know specifically what it is. Yeah. I feel like she's going to get diagnosed with something. And then after that she'll be able to like,

but honestly, what's her name, Lindsay? I feel like she'll be, because you know your kid more than any doctor or whatever. I feel like she'll be able to figure it out before the doctors do and then present them with everything that she came up with. And then it'll lead to,

a diagnosis instead of just going in and out of doctor's offices and asking them for it. So like her intuition will. Yeah. And just knowing her daughter. Being a mom. Okay. Yeah. She said she's, um, I'm crying.

Only I can feed her. Yeah. Oh my God. She's crying. So I'm going to cry. I feel like, just tell her though. I feel like she's going to be okay. Like I don't want to.

It's hard doing this live. I know. I know. I know. I have to filter it a little bit too. Like if you were. Well, maybe you guys can connect like on. Yeah.

Tell her. message me. Okay. I'm going to send her. I have her number, so I'll send her your, like, all your Instagram stuff. Just know that it's going to be a challenge for right now, but it's not always going to be this way. And I feel like it's right now it's the hardest. And then she'll come in and out of, like, having issues.

It's kind of like Leah with her daughter where it just something happened. It's not the same thing, so don't freak out. But something happens. And then she has to, like, spend more time, like, go to more doctor visits. And then things are okay. And they have, like, a new normal. It feels like that. Okay.

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and Z followed by the word listen all one word. Didn't you say when we talked about this that you wanted to know about your miscarriage? Oh, I just wanted to like, yeah, I guess, but I don't know like what you would even know about something like that. Well, I just, when I saw you last night, that's why I said there's definitely a baby around you. But then, so when I connect, I kind of want to explain how my gift works so people understand. So I have the gift of feeling. So I feel a certain way emotionally and physically.

And then I just know things and see and whatnot. But when I saw you last night, I feel a baby around you strong way. What happens is that, were you pretty far along with one of the miscarriages? Yeah. Yeah. I'm sorry, that sucks. They were like, they were back to back, the miscarriages. But when you said that you saw a baby around me, does that mean future or that meant past?

So what happens, what I've seen happen? And again, like, don't email me with your religious beliefs. This is just from my perspective. Babies that are meant, like the spirit of a baby that you, It either gets aborted or there's a miscarriage. I know it's not the same thing. Comes back if it's supposed to. Like sometimes people get pregnant and they have an abortion, but they learn so much from that abortion and the soul from the baby comes back.

Comes back. Okay. Sometimes it doesn't if they don't have another baby, but that soul came in to teach the person a lesson. Okay. So just know that whatever, like that soul will come through. I feel it around you strongly. I feel like you need to be careful if you don't want to get pregnant. I'm not having sex.

So we don't have that issue. Okay, well, that was like today, but in the next couple of months, like, be careful. Okay. I definitely feel like you're going to have a girl next one. You too. You think I'm going to have another child? Yeah. Yours, I feel for sure.

Yours is more like controlled. I don't know how to put that nice. Like I'm going to like plan it? Yeah. And you're like more strategic where Kale's kind of like, yeah. If I get pregnant, I get pregnant. I wouldn't mind. Like I wouldn't be like

Sad. No, yeah. I just like I was saying last night like the idea of having more children is more fun and like the real, the like reality of having. I just feel like you really, really,

really, really want a girl. Yeah, I do. Yeah. I really do. But why do you want a girl? Like I feel like you're such a good mom for boys. Because it's different. Like she's such a good mom for boys.

I just feel like because you, you said that you're done after this. Like you're just done. Like you know you're done. I feel like, I don't know. I can't say that. You're unfinished. Yes.

I feel like when I know I'm done, I know I'm done and I just can't say that right now. When you're 34. Four kids, you'll be done. And I have a boy and I already have a girl. And then I have a sex time. Yeah. So I was like, you're done. Yeah.

And I kind of want to live my life now and like be a little selfish. I can see that. We'll see what happens, you know. Yeah. So going back to the religious stuff, like can you talk about what you believed or what you were taught to believe? yeah like basically don't like you're not supposed to like talk to the dead and like you're not supposed to but why it was just like a thing like you're just not supposed to I'm just trying to

do it like biblically like I get emails probably like 10 to 15 a month of people tell me that I'm going to go to hell because I'm doing this and so I'm just trying to understand why they think that but they act like you can control it it's a gift that you have that you can't control exactly well I can turn it on and off kind of but I want I the thing that I the thing is the thing that is the thing is this is harder on me than it is on anyone else. Like I get anxiety. I can't sleep at night. Sometimes I have psychic attacks, which are really bad dreams where like negative spirits hold me down and I scream and I can't get out of it. And then I see Jesus and he comes and like saves me. It's the weirdest thing. It's been, it's like in between wake or sleep, Google. It's called the psychic attack.

So the only reason that I would ever talk to you, remember when I first talked to you and asked you like, did you believe in God? Right. I would have like never even. responded to your text message had you told me like you didn't i use like i say a prayer i use angels i use jesus i use god like there's no way that i could do this without them and you said that you saw heaven before i've yes i've had out-of-body experience i see heaven every time i do readings for people well not every time but i see it when i do readings for people like when they show me like if somebody's in like such a bad state from losing a loved one they'll show me what heaven looks like. So I just describe it to the person like I see it and then it heals them. Does it look the same

every time? Every time is different. Like I feel like in every way people die is different. One way is like we discuss like how your grandfather and there's people around. And honestly there's a theme of like before people passed away like three days prior like angels, other loved ones coming in the room and like sued them to make the transition better. And then, but this one lady I did a reading and her mom her mom's sister came to get her. It was the weirdest thing and I didn't want to tell her because it was crazy. But I just saw this like unicorn come and her sister came on a unicorn and they, she got on and she went to heaven. I told the lady and she started crying and she's like, her mom had this deep love for horses and unicorns. She used to collect them. I was like,

oh, that's weird. So it's different, but the feeling's the same. It's like this, when I had my out-of-body experience, all I felt was like the most amazing love you could feel. It's kind of like you feel when you have a child. Like, you know, right when they come out. It's like that times a trillion. You said, like, you weren't scared to die because you know, like, it's the, like. It's so much better over there. We're dead here.

Like, over there. Really? Yes. I just feel like when you die, you die, you're dead. No. But it's dying at all. I don't believe in God, right? I don't believe in anything.

She doesn't believe in anything. Yeah, I feel like that's just because you had a fucked up childhood. And, like, you haven't. Yeah, but I, like, have, like, have. crazy experiences. I didn't believe in any of this. My aunt passed away. I went to a medium. She brought up all of this stuff that no one could know. And she told me like crazy shit. She told me I was going to get pregnant in my mid-20s and it wasn't going to work out with the guy. And I was 26 and I was like, no, I'm 26. Like, no way. I thought I was pregnant three months later. And then I was like,

that's when I got addicted to do it. And so then I went online and I met this other medium to psychic medium and she said you can do this meet me online i want you to read my friend and then um i started diving into it and then i just got really into angels i don't i'm just connect with them and i started finding feathers everywhere one time i went out with a friend i stayed out until like five in the morning back in my loser days and i came home i live by myself and my entire living room was covered in feathers in this like weird design i have pictures of it and i just stood there. I was like, what the fuck? And I knew, because my aunt had told the medium, say that, like, the feathers are from me, and I'm always going to be with you. And so,

and then, like, after my friend passed away, I go to get, take a shower and there's feathers in the shower. And then why I was talking to my husband. But where the feathers come from? Nowhere. They just appear. It's the, I know it's crazy. But like an actual physical feather that you can, like, hold in your hand. Or like, just like, a mental. I have a jar. No, I have a jar full of them. They're real feathers. Like bird feathers? Or like the feathers like in a pillow. No, like the big fluffy feathers, like the feathers you would like buy. Yeah, and some of them kind of look like bird feathers, but all of them in my house were different colors. Like the ones that you buy?

No, no, those ones were like, they're all mixed up. They're all different kinds. Like bird feathers, kind that you buy, small, big, like all different sizes. Yes. And so anyways, I'm saying that. So you have these. Yeah, I have a jar. I keep them in a jar whenever I find one.

I keep it. I've never experienced anything. like that. Because you don't tap into it. Like I just was so lost. So people, anybody can tap into this? Yeah. You just pray. And praying is honestly, no. Listen. Kail wants to pray and be a medium now. But like praying is like setting and intention. You're asking the universe for something. So essentially, okay, no. If you don't ask for stuff, you're not going to get it. But what do you mean ask for stuff? I feel like you can speak things. There's spirit guys around you. I like will speak things into existence. I notice that like if I'm really negative, negative things happen to me.

It's the same thing. That's manifesting. If I'm really positive, then I seem either positive things are happening or if something negative happens that I can handle it in a more positive way. I don't necessarily, what is praying mean? Like, who are you asking for these things? Okay. So like whenever I pray every night, sometimes I pray in the morning or like it just depends on the day. But like if I'm really tired at night, sometimes I'll fall asleep praying and I'll wake up like in the middle of praying. Can I ask how you pray? Like, do you say it in your head? I'll tell you.

Like, do you say things in your head? You're not speaking it out loud? Yeah. Or do you say it out loud? Sometimes I pray, like, out loud if I'm in my car by myself. If I'm going through a really bad time, I say it out loud. Because I'm like, look, guys, you need to help me out. And then I'll, like, say it out loud.

But you're not saying, you're not praying to Jesus or God. I'm praying, yeah. I'm praying to like this, my spirit guy. Yeah, God and Jesus. They're the, like, most powerful ones. Yeah. Like, I pray. I pray to God.

So why not just believe in yourself? What do you mean? Like, can't you just, like, speak things into existence for yourself? Because they, like, help me manifest stuff so much quicker and help me. Okay. I'm just telling you. Like, Kel just doesn't believe that, like, there's a higher being. Like, I 100% believe in God when my grandpa passed away.

Like, I don't believe that what he said could have happened if there wasn't a higher being. Like, I 100% believe in God. The thing is, so you had that experience and I have my own experience and you'll have your own experience one day. Like, it's just, I would, went, got until I was 26 and I didn't believe in all this stuff. You just didn't have it yet. Like, yeah. But when I pray, you ask, like, what I say whenever I pray, is that what you're asking? No, I guess I'm, I'm thinking, like, is it, like, what do you, are you saying it out loud or are you thinking it? Yeah, like, how does that, like, I talk to myself, kind of, like, in my head. Me too. And if I'm praying at night, if it's,

like, if I'm really tired and it's just, like, a quick prayer, I'll just say, like, God, thank you, like for letting me live another day. Like, thank you for protecting my child. You know, please keep him happy, safe and healthy. And you say it out loud or you just think it? I just like say it, think it. Like in my head, but like I'm not talking. I don't want somebody to hear me pray. Okay. That's what I'm asking. Sometimes, like, I will be praying so hard that I fall asleep and then I wake up and I like keep praying. Hmm. I've never had that happened. I have never. Like I will be so sleepy when I pray, but like I know I need to pray and I I need to talk to God.

So I'll just be praying and it'll be like in a full on conversation. Like I'll feel like I'm in a full on conversation with God. And then I fall asleep and I wake up and I'm like, oh my God. I'm so sorry. Like where did I leave off? Oh my God. So I have to pray because if I don't, then I pick up on like negative spirits. So like I have a prayer.

Me and my daughter, my daughter gets nightmares too because she's gifted. So we have a prayer that we say out loud to like angels to protect us at night, protect our energy, protect our house. Yeah. And then I'll like ask them like before. going into a public place, like, please don't let me pick up on anybody else's energy. I don't want to get anxiety. Like, just protect me.

And I meditate. Yeah, it's kind of like. So, and I know if I don't do that, then I'm like pretty much fucked. Like, I will have a panic attack. Like, just, like, overwhelming feelings of everybody's energy and just going to like. Yeah, and I feel like I'm going to throw up and I feel like I get really dizzy and it's just like a panic attack. My heart races and I feel like I have no control over it. This is so.

And, like, I also like pray to God. about my anxiety. I do that too. What does that mean? Like I just pray and like say like, please like let me live in the moment. Like please take away my anxiety and like not make me worry. I feel like yeah. Like at least like over.

I didn't start praying about my anxiety until like maybe six months before last year ended. But I do feel like in the past six months that I have like learned to cope better. Like, not that I don't have anxiety, but I've just learned to, like, deal with my anxiety better. I feel like praying helps you trust more, too, because then I'm, like, giving it to them. And then I just trust that it's all going to work out. Yeah. Because I've seen how it happens. Like, I was telling her, this is the first flight I've got on that I haven't drank.

I usually drink or take Xanax before flying because I hate flying. Really? Yeah. And I, like, prayed, like, the Pope before I got on the flight and I was fine. And I told you, like, two days prior, I had, like, the worst panic attack because there was a car accident. I picked up on all these spirits. and like almost didn't want to come because I was like so anxious because that's the thing I'll get anxiety from spirits and then it lingers because then I create my own anxiety and it's just like a nightmare.

Really? Yeah. This is so interesting to me because I just like don't experience these things and I don't think I have. Like you've never prayed. No. I mean I'll like talk myself into things. Like I taught like myself like I can do this. But like what would you say?

I don't know. I just I'm like, okay I'm going to set like almost like goals. Like I'm going to okay I'm going to do this by this. day and then I just tell myself that consistently and then I do it. Do you know what I'm saying? Yeah, but I feel like part of that too is you've only been able to count on yourself for your whole life. And so that goes back to like your childhood stuff that you were never able to count on anybody else but yourself. I mean, I guess. I don't know. Yeah. I mean, it goes back to what I was telling you about like the defense. I mean, can you talk about your mom first back?

Yeah. So Kail had like a really, obviously most people know that she had a really traumatic childhood. and I did a reading for her last night. And what came up on it was just her mom would pick men over her and then had a drinking problem and would do drugs sometimes. And so she just got in the habit of like if her mom was lonely, then she would give her like attention and love. And then if a man would come around, which was pretty frequently, she dropped kale and then give love and attention to the man and kind of torture kale.

So she developed this like defense mechanism that she put around her where she can't trust people. and she just feels like she always has to protect herself from people. And I know you're aware of it, but I feel like it goes deeper than what you're aware of. Well, I always associated my, like, guard up to, like, the show and, like, being on TV and people using me for the wrong thing. That's another layer. That's what I always, like, kind of, because I've been on TV for almost 10 years, so I always kind of credited my guard up to that. My mom, I can't remember a time my mom's ever been single. It's always like she already had someone lined up before the next one even ended.

So, and then, yeah, I mean, there were times where she would just be let someone be so awful to me. And she would always, like, take their side. I feel like you mean be awful to you. Just, like, treat me poorly and, like, not, they were more worried about themselves than they were worried about me. And my mom would always let them talk to me a certain way or boss me around. And, like, you can't do that to someone who's 14 years old and has had five men in their life. You know what I mean? So stuff like that would bother me.

but I guess I never really connected that with like my guard being up. It was always just like the show and my guard being up. Yeah. I mean, I feel like she just did that to you so much. I feel like she was consistently inconsistent, meaning like her love was based on conditions. Yeah. And she was only nice to you if she needed something or she's going to get something out of it. Yeah, I think if she needed something or she felt like a lot of times like she would drink and feel super guilty.

so she'd take me shopping while she was drunk. And then I feel like she was overly emotional to you, like, to the point where you would feel guilty or you would feel bad and you would like feel her feelings. It was just like emotional roller coaster. And then the fact that your dad wasn't there too, but I just feel like you have mom issues, not dad issues. I feel like it's daddy issues. No.

Really? I think it's easy to say that because he wasn't there. He wasn't there. So it's like easy to blame him instead of her because even though she was there, she wasn't there. But sometimes it's like there enough. just to mess you up. Right. You know, like maybe it would have been, your life would have been totally different if you didn't

have any relations with either of your parents. Oh, yeah. I mean, I know some of my other family members tried to, like, have custody of me and stuff, and I almost think that would have been a better situation. I agree. Like, my dad couldn't have fucked me up because he wasn't here. Right. Right.

There you go. So my mom couldn't have fucked me up if she would, like, yeah, obviously I would always want to fill those voids of, like, my parents. But, like, I could have had, like, a better childhood had my mom giving it up. And it's easy to, like, blame somebody to, like, place blame, like, on your dad to be like... Because he wasn't there, but really it was my mom. Yeah, and most people say, like, she did the best she could.

Well, that still wasn't good enough. And she's still the same. That's the problem with the whole situation is, like, there's no forgiving or moving forward. It's just the energy stays stagnant because she's still a shitty person. Yeah. So... I mean, when she's sober, she's just a great person. But you can't trust her to stay sober.

No. Never. That's the hard part that I think that you struggle with is the fact that you know that she has good in her. But it's just never there long enough. Yeah. Like it'll never. Like I've even said like you can come live with me and like we can help each other out if you fucking stay sober and leave this douchebag.

Right. And that's the problem too. Like I know you think you've accepted it. But it's like if you fully accepted it, you wouldn't even have any desire to have her in your life at all or help her. I mean no. That was like before. That was probably like one of the last times I talked to her.

But don't you think if your mom showed up at your front door? I won't go to my mom's. funeral if she dies. As of right now, the way things are, I won't be there. Yeah. My kids won't be there. My kids don't even know who she is. Literally, Isaac calls her mommy's mommy. So no. But if she was like to come around and like be sober for a significant amount of time and where she proved herself. Well, and it's weird because like my mom goes back and forth with like acknowledging it and then not acknowledging it. Like put the blame on someone else. But then she might briefly acknowledge it. It's very strange. But when she briefly acknowledges it, is it because she's sober? at that brief moment?

Yeah, maybe. Maybe it's just because her moments are so brief of being sober. She has like a brief moment of clarity. Yeah. I feel like she has a mental health issue. She's definitely bipolar. Yeah. Yeah.

And her moods just go up and down. I feel like she feels like she did the best she could. She's just so caught up in her head in her own life that you're just in the background. Everyone is, though, except the man in her life. Yeah. Yeah. So weird. I know.

But you should work on it because, you know, I don't know. It's like you're not aware of it. I just feel like I put that. I don't, I blame all my, like, all like my fucked up issues. I blame on Lex's dad. And that's your like, mom. It's like there's some similarities between him and your mom. Oh my God.

You can't trust him. No. He's inconsistent. Mm-hmm. He chooses other women over you or other women. He can't commit. Your mom couldn't commit. Oh my God.

My mom should have never been a parent. Yeah. I feel like a lot of people feel that way. Not just about your mom. No, no, no, yeah. Just because you're a woman doesn't mean that you should have kids. Right, right. There are some people that are born to be mothers, and there are some people that should never have children.

Right. For sure. And I think sometimes the worst part is, is they don't realize it until it's too late until they've subjected a child into this world. Right. And then... Like, my mom probably was like, oh, fuck. I'm having a baby and then was like, oh, I can do it. But were you, your mom's only child?

Yeah. Right? Mm-hmm. And she probably didn't realize how in over her head she was. And then by time she had me, it's like almost like she, instead of giving me a proper home and like given me to one of our family members, she like almost tried to like prove them wrong and then failed. So it made it even worse, you know, so I don't know. I kind of feel like she liked the attention from it all too. Like having to care.

Yeah. Oh, that's a different perspective for sure. That could be very, very accurate. Do you feel like that you, like, just wanted your mom to love you? Yeah, it was kind of like what we talked about last night. Like, I would do certain things just to, like, get her to love you. Yeah. Yeah.

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And enter my code coffee. Now let's get back to the show. Do you ever feel anything like, can you tell people happy news and like happy, exciting things? Yeah, I just feel like you need to learn some lessons. I feel like the lessons keep repeating themselves and so if you keep making the same mistake. Honestly, I have three baby dads. Yeah, but I mean, we all have our shit. That's the thing. Like, people can judge you all they want, but I'm pretty sure they keep making the same mistake. Yours just came out that way. The thing is, though, I feel like this one is the final one, not the final baby dad. I'll get to that second. But I feel like this is where you learn all of your lessons. Like I feel like you're going to learn all the lessons from this one just because the feelings go

so deep and you're just, your eyes are open. I mean, that's how spirit is too, is like they'll make things, situations so much stronger and so much worse to force you to like get your shit together and figure it out. Yeah. It'll come to the point where you don't want to deal with him anymore and you realize that you deserve so much more and how you put your life on hold just from dwelling on the situation. And trust me, I know it's hard. I feel like saying that's like unkind. But it will get to the point where you just like see him for who he is. I mean, that's all up to you. And the timeline's up to you too. Not everything's written in stone. So you could choose to like be miserable and think that you're so in love with him and he's your soulmate. Or you can see him for the traits that he's showed you and choose to move on and like send him love but know that he's not good for you.

But Kale also has a very competitive type personality that it might not necessarily mean. Like, she might think she's in love with somebody. But it's about, like, the winning aspect of it. Like, and conquering something. I got what everyone said I can't have. Or, like, I... He didn't even want to be with me, but now he does. Like, that kind of thing.

I'm not saying that he does now. That's not what I'm saying. But I'm just... Yeah. Well, that's not healthy. No. But she said, like, that she's addicted to, like, toxic relationships. Like she gets bored very easily

So like if I had like For example I've had very good people come into my life And like try to date them And I'm just uninterested and I sabotage And I like don't want because it's not The chaotic Yes like the ups and down feeling I get so fucking bored

And I'm like literally don't tell me I'm pretty Because it doesn't give me the feelings That fighting and then getting back together gives me It's disgusting Because that's your normal is the chaos That's weird That's what I'm telling you have to do to therapy So then you can open your end of deal

And we're not doing this therapy thing again. No. If you're, I mean... Kail doesn't believe in therapy or God. I didn't say I don't believe in therapy. You'll get to the point where you're like willing to do something drastic or what you would think is drastic. I think it's just different in order to see yourself in a new light so then you can catch yourself making mistakes.

You're going to look back in like five years from now and you're going to be like, why was I so addicted to... But like what kind of feelings do you get from like a good like relationship? Like you know how Susie and I described how we'll watch like, like our producer. We did a podcast episode and she kind of like asked us questions as like the listener. And we were talking about how when we watch love stories that we could even though like if we're with somebody else, we could see ourselves like, oh wow, that's like the perfect type of guy. You know, like the notebook, for example.

Like I could totally see myself like falling in love with somebody like that and falling, like I fall in love with him just being on the movie, right? Kale says that the idea of like the perfectness is like freaks her out. Like she would never like relate to a movie like that. I don't like the notebook. I don't like movies like that. Yeah. You have commitment issues.

Or like it's Green Mile. Oh my God. You have commitment issues. Or eight mile, whatever it is. Green Mile. Wait, eight mile with Eminem. Yeah. And how like, yeah. And they're like, you just never know what's going on with.

Right. You have commitment issues. I told you to read that book. That is not commitment issues. No, it is a form of a commitment. Even if you're self-abotaging because you don't want to be in a real loving, committed relationship. Because where's like the excitement and then like the you just never know what I'm saying? Don't you feel like you could be excited like I don't know like getting dressed and like going to dinner?

I've never been on a date. So I don't know what that is. That's the problem. Oh my God. Or like going out to dinner and then maybe like going to a movie or like going on a weekend like little getaway like for two days. And knowing they're going to be home when you get home. No? Kail's like, no, I want to chase them down the road.

And then what? Look on find my phone. Yeah. And then you enjoy your life because it's not chaotic and you're not worrying about them cheating on you or leaving you. Oh, my God. I don't think there's anyone in my generation, in my town, my age, nothing. That won't. Doesn't cheat.

My generation is so fucked when it comes to dating. That can't be true. It's so true. So true. I'm a lot older than you, so I don't know. That's not true, right? Really? Oh, yeah.

I feel like it's more common than not. I've been cheated on a lot, but I just thought it was, I don't know. I feel like it's more common than not. I feel like you're pretty accurate. Oh, for sure. And saying that. But I feel like you can't go into a relationship thinking that. But I'm not going to go in not thinking that because then I'm being naive and I'm being done.

But I think also with being in this business too, like in all fairness, I think that you always go into something thinking. almost the worst case scenario because somebody might screw you over, even whether that be business or, you know, like, whatever the situation is. Like, I think of all, like, the worst things that could happen before I think of, like, the good things. Right. Exactly.

Yeah, I didn't think about that because you guys are in the public eye. Do you think, well, I don't know if you can pick up on this right now, but I, like, don't want to get married again, but do you see me getting married again? Do you feel it? Yeah, I feel like it's a long time away, though. Okay. So I might. Yeah. I mean, honestly, though, the timeline's on you. Like, if you were to work on all your shit, and, like, then it would be a lot sooner. But I feel like you're going to focus on your career and do your own thing for a while.

Okay. Before settling down. Since I, like, started working with Kiel, though, I feel like she's a completely, not like a different part. Like, I'm an organized woman now. She's like normal now. People take their shoes off at the door. Not that you weren't normal because, like, just normal, like, in my eyes, you know, but I'm not normal either. Oh my God. But she's just, like, way more. like not like put together like I'm trying together but like just I don't know I feel like she misses less flights now I haven't missed a flight probably since November thank you a new year new me yeah really I've never missed a flight Kail misses a flight every day oh my god like when we first started doing podcast kale missed a flight every time I actually peed my pants in the airport trying to make a flight yep no were you pregnant no no she knows

I pick my pants on a regular basis, to be honest. So I feel like that one doesn't really count. I guess after three kids, that happens, right? But don't you feel like you're different from when we first started working together to like now? Well, because like I use a planner now. Like I'm super trying to be organized. Trying to be organized. No, I feel like you've come a long way. I just feel like there's this just this defense. Like in connecting with you, like people would say you're hard to read just because there's like this defense around you where you always have to defend yourself. I definitely feel like that's true. Just like not coming because I have like zero spiritual gifts. So. Just coming from like a friend perspective, I feel like that about you. Like I'm defensive? No, not really defensive on stuff, but like you're a hard read. Like when to know, like, if something upsets you or if you're like fine with it. Because a normal kill situation, if it's like, if her phone dies and it's like really not fine and like she needs it, she'll be like, oh, it's just, I mean, it's fine. It's fine.

It's really fine. Like I'm not worried about it. But then I might actually be worried about it. But, like, she's actually really worried about it. But it took me, like, a while to be able to read her. Usually, I'm, like, a pretty good read on people. I might be getting a call. I just, I don't know.

Do you feel like I was hard to read? Like, maybe compared to Lindsay or? Yeah, completely. Yeah, also there is people there. So, I mean, we did ours alone. Right. Yeah, and then we're getting interrupted and stuff. Right.

But, yeah, I mean, generally, between both of you, I feel like she was way easier to read than you. I mean, no offense. See, I'm just like, no, don't. No offense taken, but I'm just thinking because we talked about like our signs and stuff and like we're very polar opposite. She's like a Virgo through and through. I'm a Pisces through and through. And so like I thought maybe she would be harder to read because she's just like more like. And you can't get mad at me. But I think it's just because you think you already know everything where so then you're mind, you have this mindset like, no, I'm self aware and I already know. It's her defense mechanism.

Yeah. And so then you're not like open to like receiving and then I can't get like because normally when you do a reading I, I say something and you're like. oh yeah, I understand, and then I keep going. But then if you're, like, hesitant, it, like, kind of blocks the energy. Does that make sense? Okay. So if you go into it, like, an open mind, like, I don't, I'm not saying you think you know everything, but you just have this mindset, like. Like, I think I'm more self-aware than I actually am.

Yes. Okay. Yeah. I understand that. So. But I told you certain things about Kail, like, she's very self-aware, like, and she's hard on herself on those things that she's self-aware. But I agree that sometimes, like, I think that's a problem with, like, all of us.

human beings. Like we think we're more aware of things that we're not really necessarily aware of. Right. I think one thing that people wouldn't know about you is that you are way harder on yourself than you should be. Like really? You're really hard on yourself. I feel like it's not like kind of, it's not normal how hard you are on yourself. I blame the show for that. I agree with you. And I blame your mom. I feel like you're a people pleaser too and people wouldn't think that about you. I'm definitely a people. I don't like confrontation. I don't like to be. I don't like to But it's just crazy. Like watching the show, you wouldn't think that at all. And just, it's, I would never think that. And you totally are a people pleaser. Really? Yeah.

I mean, I just, I don't really like confrontation. Why are you shaking your head over there? And Kail's like really like pretty easy going, like pretty much. Like me, I'm like way more high strong when it comes to like business and stuff. And like I want everything like perfect. I've got like a schedule. A little OCD. Yeah, OCD. She's a burgo. Yeah. Like, I'm very, and I don't take offense to that because it's true, you know, and I know that about myself. I don't know how to, like, fix it other than pray about anxiety, you know, but I like everything, like, a certain way. And some of the things, too, it's like, it's okay to be that way and it's okay to be this way.

Just don't let it get in the way of, like, making yourself happy. I'm trying to work on it a little bit more. Like, I've noticed, like, I'm not going to be able to convince people of the way that I am. I know how I am as a person and I know that I mean well And I think that sometimes My guard is up and I do get defensive And people only see that So but I'm also not going to sit here at this point

And try to convince people that I'm actually a lot softer than people think Right and you shouldn't have to I just think it's interesting in connecting with you That I wouldn't have not I didn't think that you were like that People Pleaseer Like I feel like I'm a crier But it's weird because I feel like

Kales like maybe even more sensitive than me. I agree. But like I'm sensitive, but like I feel like I could hurt your feelings quicker than you could hurt my. Oh yeah. Yeah. Yeah. No, that's definitely accurate. You know what I mean? Yeah. Like I wouldn't want to hurt. I'm not saying I would want to hurt your feelings. I'm just saying if if Kail and I were like going to duke it out, I feel like she would cry before me. Well, I also cry in a frustration. That's like your like if I'm so mad and there's nothing I can do about it. I'm just going to cry. That's how you like...

We talked about that on the podcast a few weeks ago about how sometimes you get so frustrated as being a mom that... Or just like life in general that you... I just like will sit and cry. Yeah. That's kind of normal, right? That's what I said. That's my exact response. Yeah.

I mean, crying helps, though. It releases the emotion and the energy and then you feel better after. Yeah. It's okay to cry. Do you feel like... Kail was like, do you feel like she was receptive to the reading after? You're like you got started. More than I thought you were going to be.

You didn't think I was going to be receptive? No. Wow. You're going to like argue with me. Because people do. People will argue with me. Did I argue with you at all? Not at all.

That's why I'm saying you were receptive. I try to be, I'm trying to be open-minded. And I feel like- No, you are. I was definitely trying to be open-minded to what you had to say because I just didn't, I want, I want to be self-aware more than I think I am. No, I'm telling you, you've made strides and you're working on it. You're just not there yet. Yet like you think you are.

That's it. with us working together, I feel like I pray more about my anxiety to try to be like more calm and like easy, more easygoing because of kale, but I feel like she's more organized because of me. Oh yeah. Like you're not as organized as me, but you're like working on. Yeah, because I know how Lindsay works and I don't want to piss her off. Your anxiety too stems from like having to be in control. I won't get into like all the reasons why, but if you tell yourself like, I can't always be in control. That'll like alleviate some of your anxiety. We, um, I don't know, we're getting better. We're working it out.

Yeah, we're going to work on each other's personalities because we're total opposites. Yeah, I feel like you guys compliment each other well. Like you can learn from a lot from each other. Yeah, I feel like I have learned. So maybe I should date a Virgo. I think you're going to say Lindsay. Maybe you should do. Well, that's not it gets killed. That's not it. After the conversation last night. I know you're open to it. Oh my gosh. That's so funny. I'm excited to go get dinner after this.

Of course. I was eating for chips before this, but since some people said stuff about her pickle eating on podcast. I chose not to eat the tortilla chips on the podcast. So thanks a lot, guys. But people need to make sure they tune in to next week because we are going to have some stuff on our Instagram about our pickle eating. Oh, yeah. That's going to be so fun. Yeah.

It's going to be so fun. Your friend's going to message me, right? Yes, I'm going to tell her to message. So you can find me on my Instagram at Psychic Medium Corrine, K-A-R-E-N. I'm also on Facebook under Psychic Medium Corrine, or you can go to www. www.mess by Corrine.com to book a reading with me. I'm booked like six weeks out, I think almost two months, but it's worth it, I promise. And you guys should definitely get a reading.

I feel so much better after doing it. I think I was more, like, hesitant than Kale. So we didn't talk about that. I gave them readings. I had told both of them that if I were them, I would prefer to do it off camera and not on the podcast because it's really personal and I didn't want to have to filter it. And mine was very, I feel like mine was very personal. Yeah. And yours was pretty personal.

Yeah. I feel like we need to redo it when it's just me and you. Okay. We can do it on the phone. Yeah. Just because I got, I did hers over the phone and I think it was like an hour and a half and we just got to go through everything and nobody bothered us. And I feel like I felt so. I guess the word would be like relieved.

Yeah. That's my whole. Well, Lindsay was way skeptical about this. And I was like, I'm going to send your information to Lindsay because, and she was just like not about it at first and like super freaked out. But I was like, I think it's fine, Lindsay. Like, it's going to be fine. It's funny because when I talk to you, you're like, all these weird things keep happening. Yeah.

She kept telling me. Like what? Yeah. And then she said that you guys had been talking about having a psychic medium on and then. Yeah. And I was so skeptical about doing it. I was like, no, I don't know. Like, if we should really do it.

Like we can maybe entertain the idea, but maybe like, let's not do it like right now. Let me just like think about it. And then I was going to CBS and was going to go pick Jackson up from school. And my Pandora was on a song and it cut the song off. And then started going into this commercial about, are you afraid to see a psychic medium? And it's like this like 30 second like commercial. And so I called Kail right away. And you freaking answered the phone for like only time ever.

And I told her about it and she was like, whoa, that's weird. Well, then it was like what? The same day or like the next day that you followed us on the podcast Instagram. Yes, it was literally like a day. And I think I told you that. No, maybe she. No, I didn't talk to you. Oh, you didn't?

I thought I put you in contact with her. And then I was freaked out even more. And Kail was like, oh, we should contact her. And I was like, no, we shouldn't. You should. So then she put you in the group message. And for whatever reason, I felt like compelled to, you know, text you individually to discuss my reasons of why I would be skeptical. And I didn't feel like Kiel needed to know any of that because she doesn't, like, believe the same thing as me.

So, you know, it's like irrelevant to her. And, and yeah. Sorry, I was distracted. Yeah, I mean, and then we talked on the phone. Yeah. And I feel like you were like, oh, my. God, you're normal. You don't, like, have a broom stick. Yeah, I thought she was like a witchcraft.

Like, I thought she was like a witch riding on a broom type thing. Like, that's what you're taught. You know, like, when you're growing up in a, you know, Christian-based home, you're taught that it's witches and you think about, like, Halloween and, like, them standing over like a crystal ball or like a pot. A pot and, like, stirring a broom in it, you know, like, I don't know. That's the thing with the whole religious thing. Like, God gave me this gift. So why would he give it to me if I wasn't supposed to use it? That's what I don't understand. So I wish somebody could answer that for me. Well, maybe there's a, maybe there will be a medium listening to this that will be able to get to that question for you. Another medium.

Right. I feel like no answer would like suffice though. Right. Yeah. Because it's just ridiculous and I just see how many like people I've helped and stuff. Yeah. So. Well, thank you so much for everything.

Thanks for coming on. Yeah. It's been fun. We appreciate it. And you've already given everybody the information where to find you. You guys can email her. Do you do messages on Facebook or you prefer email? I do all of it. I don't care. Okay.

And one over the other. Well, thanks guys. And we'll talk to you next week. Bye. Bye.