Coffee Convos with Kail Lowry and Lindsie Chrisley - 153: Valuing Friendships, Navigating Work/Life Relationships, and Prenups

Episode Date: April 8, 2021

Why is it that that we change our entire personality when interacting with certain people? This week Lindsie and Kail talk about taking a look at the relationships in their lives, and finding the value in them. And whether it's working with family, a friend, or a partner, mixing business with pleasure can result in some tricky situations. Lindsie and Kail discuss their own thoughts and experiences with having to navigate those awkward relationships. Plus with some recent celebrity break-up drama, Lindsie has been thinking a lot about prenups. She wants to know Kail's thoughts on them, and they talk about the pros and cons depending on the situation. This episode was sponsored by: Hello Bello & Bright Cellars Have a question you want answered? Want to give Kail and Lindsie a call? Leave them a message at ?(609)-316-0060?. Music by Nathaniel Wyvern. Licensed under Creative Commons: By Attribution 4.0 License.

Hey listeners, welcome to coffee combos podcast. I actually feel like it's been forever since we've talked. Why does it feel like that? I don't know. I literally don't know because I will, I talk to you almost every day, but I feel like it's been forever since we actually recorded. I think it's also because I've been at the beach. So obviously When we both go on vacation, we go a little MIA in our regular lives. Yes. So maybe that's what it is.

I think that's what it is. In the past two days, I've walked five miles in the morning on both days and it feels so good. Okay. Well, I'm jealous that you're actually on vacation because we haven't been on one in a long time. So is it, is it going well? It's going so well. It's so nice. It's so crazy to how people, this time last year, we were in full blown quarantine quarantine. Yes. And it's so weird how people interact with each other now in community spaces. I feel like people just, it's known to kind of stay in your own space. And I just don't remember

it being like that before COVID. I don't remember what it was. Yeah. It's so weird how quickly we've adjusted to like six feet apart, social distancing, masks, like just being cautious overall. And I, it's, it's so crazy because I don't know, like I wash my hands so much. Now I use sanitizer way more than I ever did. Like it's so weird. And just like even public settings, like I went, I took my kids into the barber shop today and I just felt like we were still, I don't know. Like I don't know how to describe it, but you, you know what I mean? Yeah, exactly. And I feel like, okay, I do have a question about the barber shop, but

that's going to be after I say this, like at the pool, people, I remember when we went to the beach for the first time, um, maybe six or so months ago, and they required you like at the resort, you could only have chairs with your group of people, like people that you socialize with. And it's funny. I don't think they require that now, but it seems like everybody drags chairs and isolates themselves to just those people. So I think it's just, we've all adjusted and figured out how to coexist, but still live life. Yeah. I don't, to be honest, I kind of, I kind of like the, the clustering a little bit, like with your, with your own group cluster, I mean, like I personally like that. I just,

I think it's also as, as well as like a health and safety situation. I also, for like privacy reasons, right? Like nobody's offended by it now. And I kind of just like, I like when we can kind of just like group off. I don't know. Me too. And then also, has anyone ever like gone to a public setting at like a pool at a resort or whatever, and you're having a conversation with someone, this is like pre COVID. You're having a conversation with someone that you're there with, but you almost feel obligated to also speak to the people that are sitting next to you in the chairs beside you.

And then now we don't have to do that. Yeah. But do you feel like that? Have you ever felt that way? Yes. 100%. Yes. And I'm like, I need to like find out where these people are from. And I need to ask them questions to make them feel like I'm interested. All the things. But I do have a question about the barbershop. So obviously, I only have Jackson. So the haircutting scenario is completely different for us. And in the summertime, well, he got his first shave for this season, like a week ago, but we just do that at home. But like your barbershop experience sounds honestly

like something I wouldn't be interested in. I want to open my, I know this is going to sound crazy and people are going to be like, oh my God, Keal wants to do this. But like, I would love to own my own barbershop only for the simple fact that I have all boys and we sometimes will sit in the barbershop for over three hours. Sometimes I can name one time specifically, we sat there for four hours because you make an appointment, but somehow some way these barbers get so far behind and then they don't tell me like they just have lack of communication. It's not like a hair appointment for women. It's not like when women make an appointment and literally if

you're 15 minutes late, you have to reschedule kind of thing for whatever reason, every single barbershop. And the other thing too is like, it's so hard to find a barber that cuts your child or your own hair the way that you like it and the way that you want it. And I'm very, very, very picky about my kids hair. So it's been very difficult trying to find a barber that we like to use and that can cut the boys hair the way that I like it. And then also, well, in the way the boys like it, but the barber that we typically use is almost an hour from us. So then you add the travel on top of it. And then I'm not even kidding. So I take, I take the kids to the barbershop every two weeks. Like that's just what I do.

We go every Wednesday or Thursday. And that's just what we do. And I hope he doesn't hear this podcast because it's, he's going to be mad at me, but I specifically scheduled, I said, Hey, can you do the kids hair at four? And he knows I come squad deep because I bring usually either my three kids that get haircuts or I have the baby with me sometimes. And I also try to bring Natalie's son, Caden, while I'm going, because if I'm already going to the barbershop, I might as well take her son with me since, you know, I just, whatever. I made an appointment for four o'clock Lindsay. And when I tell you I got there, he had someone in the chair and he told me that he had someone in front of me. And it's just like, I don't

understand where the time goes that you're getting that far behind. And so that pisses me off. How long are these cuts? Like I just don't relate to this life. I mean, the kids, so we had an appointment, the barber that we went to today, we actually, it's Natalie, someone that Natalie has known like probably for 15 or 20 years. First time we've ever used him, he was the quickest and he was right on time. And that's really the first time that's ever really happened to us. And so that was about 35 minutes per cut. I mean, Jackson's haircut usually takes about 25 to 30 minutes, but we only do it like every four or so weeks. And you're not shaping him up either and like, no, no, we're not

doing all of that. So then that's another difference, I guess, but I just need to know how many other moms also have this experience or if this is just a kill thing. Because when she sends me a picture of her schedule, and it's like blocked off hours for the barbershop, I'm like, what the hell? I just have to make sure, yeah, because like if I have to schedule something with like, to podcast with you or to film or something, I have to block off that amount of time to make sure that I am for sure going to be wherever I say I'm going to be at whatever time because the barbershop I swear to God can take over three hours. Like I'm not even kidding. So

I just include travel time to get there and back and then to possibly sit there for two hours or three hours. I didn't end up taking Lux today because he just, he didn't really, he has long hair, so you don't really see his shape up. But he's very upset about that. And so I might have to take him tomorrow. But he's very upset. He is very, very upset. He said he was mad and he doesn't know why I left him. And I was like, well, I'm sorry. I didn't realize that you were dead set on having to shape up this week. But I will take you tomorrow if they have an opening. So our kids are hilarious. The other kids hate getting haircuts, but I just think that I don't know. We've just always done this. So I'm not going

to stop anytime soon. Wait, the amount of messages that we got about people with their kids, personal hygiene and the photos, I was dying when I was, did we get pictures? Yes, a people like, my God, with their kids just looking crazy with like their hair all over their head and like sinks and just like pure nastiness. I'm like, thank God. Like, oh my gosh. And then I always think our boys, the only ones that talk about farting or the girls do that also because Jackson for whatever reason is obsessed with talking about farting and shitting. And I'm just like, why is this a thing? And why is it interesting? And why do you think it's so funny to get on the elevator and just decide to shit your pants when I'm

trapped? I, it's, I don't listen. My kids talk about farting all the time. And my kids know I will look at them and be like, you're, you need to say excuse me, like what the hell is going on here? Oh yeah, no, it's like a pure laughing fest, like absolutely rip ass. And then it's just hysterical while I'm literally vomiting in my mouth. So I just don't understand where that became a thing. If it's all boys, if it's just some boys, if girls do this to Jackson claims that it's happened in his class before where people fart and then the teacher asked

who was it? And then they're all like giggling and carrying on. Maybe it's just their age too. I don't know. It's probably a combination just like gross. And then the amount like you've got the farts times four. And I'm just like, what? Oh my God. Ew. I mean, luckily Isaac's not really gross in that way. Lincoln went through a small phase where it was so funny, but Luxe thinks it's so funny. He thinks it's so funny. It's so funny. Wait, speaking of Luxe, are you so excited for him to start soccer? Oh my God, I went. Okay. So first let me tell

you that I thought I ordered all of his soccer stuff off dicks.com. Sorry. I thought I ordered everything from Dick's Sporting Goods online and like weeks went by and nothing came. So I was like, what the actual fuck? So evidently, I never placed the order. So you just left it in the car. I guess I don't know what happened. So yesterday went to dicks and I got all the stuff and I got like two of everything because I've noticed that when I only have one of everything, I'm like scrambling last minute to try to find that one, like one shin guard or whatever, one pair of soccer shorts. So I got two of everything just to cover my bases. And I went home and I was like, Luxe, I got you all this stuff. Like, can we please try

it on? Please, please, please try it on. And he was just like reluctant, but he let me put it on him and he just looks so fucking cute that I was like, I just, I can't wait to just see you on a soccer field just in the outfit. I know. I'm like, I'm living for the outfit and the photos of him in the outfit alone. No matter what he does, if he like doesn't even touch the ball the entire season, I'm like, Oh, it's fine. It's so cute. Little kids playing soccer is like the best. Did you have Jackson in soccer before, right? Yeah, I did. And honestly, it was the greatest time of my parenting life, actually, because it was the first time that there wasn't like a dugout and there didn't have to be like

a team mom will didn't coach it because he doesn't know anything about soccer. Really? I bet that was nice. So that was nice. And I just, I got to be a normal parent and sit on the sidelines and never loved anything more, honestly. I love it. I love to hear it. Wait, did you have to sign up for snacks? I didn't. They didn't ask us to sign up for anything. So I think it's like the one that the program that I signed him up for is like about 45 minutes every Saturday. So I don't think it's like a game thing. I think it's like more like testing the waters to see if your kid likes soccer. So the way Jackson did it, which I absolutely loved was where they had a practice and then a game right

afterwards. Okay. On one. Yep. Yep. And that was amazing because it wasn't, it was just on Saturday. You got there Saturday morning, the kids practice, then they had a game and you were done for the entire week. And it's not trying to like scramble around to make it to the field for practice multiple times. Like it was so nice and so convenient. And I don't know, like maybe it's just me, but I'm all about convenience these days. I'm like anything that can be convenient. I literally instacarded our groceries to the place that we're staying at for the pure fact of not having to get back in the car to go and get groceries and then was texting the lady the entire time while she was shopping to tell

her like other things that I needed that I left off the list. It was the most fantastic experience I've ever had in my life. I don't even care how much it cost. I know I can totally relate. I'm also one of those people who like, I'll wait to get my kids summer clothes until we go on vacation and then just order their outfits then out of just pure convenience, but same for the grocery thing. Like I signed up for Walmart delivery. I have also have Instacart, which now delivers to my where I live. They didn't for a brief time, I think probably because of COVID, but yeah, just out of pure convenience. Yeah, everything for me at this point, I'm just like whatever is convenient. Honestly,

I'll, I'll do it. So yeah, I'm down, but it has been so nice to just like, I don't know if anyone else feels like this, but sometimes it's just nice to change your scenery and look at like a different couch and you know, just like a different outdoor surrounding is totally really nice. And then because I love this so much, they're building other towers at the place that I'm staying like new construction. And so I was like, I could totally get a two bedroom place like this and Airbnb it except for the summertime and come down here and stay all summer with Jackson because I can work from home. So yeah, yeah, it would be so nice. And then, you know what I was thinking, speaking of working from home,

I was actually talking to someone about this the other day that back in the 90s, when we were in school, I felt like having a parent that was an entrepreneur was rare. Like all of my friends and maybe it was just my friend group, but like all of my friends, parents were very traditional jobs. And my parents, I always felt like they were idiots because they were entrepreneurs and no one ever knew what they were doing. Right, right. But now I feel like there's so many and I don't know if it's just COVID or whatever. But even though everyone's not an entrepreneur, I feel like everyone pretty much lives that schedule at this point for the most part. I mean, I'm not talking about like nurses and doctors and

you know, first responders and whatever. But for the most part, anyone who who had like an office job can pretty much work remotely now and I feel like it's changed life so much. I mean, I definitely think we've talked about it before, right, like how many people are going to work, like continue to work remote, even when things are fully, fully back to normal. Oh, yeah. Will has told me in the past that it would not even make sense for him to go back to working in the office because I guess in sales, like his numbers have proved that he's just as successful at home, not being there, then going there. And I'm like, just

from, from seeing him, it's like he's able to work out in the morning and so many different things that you would have to wait to do after work, but you can do before work because you're cutting down on the commute time, right? So I'm just like, right. What is life? Like it's so strange these days, it really is. It really is when you really sit back and think about it and you're just like, what the fuck is life? And did you know when I flew to Philly and then I flew to Charlotte, Delta had this disclaimer in the airport that all flights are going to be back to full capacity. The middle seat will not be reserved as open anymore after May 1st. Oh, see, I didn't know that. Did

you, which airline was it that kicked somebody off a flight because their two year old refused to wear a mask? It was like a seven month pregnant mom and the whole family was, yes, the shade room posted it and it was like, um, there was a video of it and the mom was like seven months pregnant or something like that. And their two year old had just turned two years old, like a month prior and the airline, I don't know what airline it was. So if you guys know, leave it in the comments or something. Um, but the entire family was kicked off of the plane because she, I think it was a girl refused to wear a mask and I'm sorry, but Lux is three and a half and would he, he'll say that he wants to wear one, but

literally within two or three minutes, it's off. It's so second nature for my household to just, but again, Jackson's eight and we only have one. So it's a completely different story. But like yesterday, I got him out to go to a restaurant and the first thing he did was grab his mask, but I think it's just become our norm, but it's different for kids who are like two and three years old who don't really understand why you're wearing a mask and can't really like comprehend the importance of wearing it. Right. And it's weird that you say that because actually I was in the Charlotte airport and there was

a little girl, she was maybe four, three to five, I guess, and literally going through security and they were making her put on a mask and she was screaming, screaming. I don't, I don't understand that. I just don't feel like they're just babies. Like they don't, they don't know what's what, you know what I mean? It's so strange, but I cannot believe that someone got kicked off. I will tell you that when I was putting my bag above like in the carry on compartment thingy that my mask kind of like slid down in the flight attendant approached me and was like, ma'am, it is whatever regulation that you put that over your entire nose. I am aware. Like I am very aware. I'm

so sorry that it's not above my nose. It slipped down when I, you know, tried to lift 60 pounds above my head. I apologize. You know, I mean, come on lady, give me a break. But geez, then she went and got me a freaking new mask, like as if mine was broken. And you're like, Oh, thank you ma'am. Yes. And I am like the most stickler when it comes to COVID. It's so funny whenever your producer like messages me about filming or whatever, he's always like, I know you're crazy about this. So, you know, everybody's been tested and six times and like all the things, it's just, it's nuts. Like the way our world is now. It really is just how much it's changed.

Oh, PS, um, you and I have been kind of having some side conversations, but I was thinking about friendships just in general and like evaluating my life and how I really don't like investing time in anything unless it serves me well at this point. So that's like friendships or my time with really anything, like if I'm going to need to go and sit at the hair salon for like five hours, because I can't, I don't know, like it's going to take me too long. Then I'm just like, Oh, that doesn't really serve me well. So I just guess I won't go. But like specifically with friendships, I feel like it's so weird, the different friendships. Okay. For example, I was hanging out with my girlfriend, Katie,

this past weekend, but then hanging out with you. And it's just weird how certain friendships bring out different parts of you. And I feel like, right, does that make sense? No, totally. I think that this is something that people struggle with. I'm one of them. Like each friendship that you have with someone, you're not really the same, like you're the same you, but it's a very different dynamic and a different friendship every, yeah, like you said, it's a different part of you. Yes, but I only want to be involved in friendships that have actual value at this point in my life. Right. I think that's fair. Like I don't care to play Kate or like fake a friendship. You know, like just like appease, just like

have a friendship to appease someone else to like make them happy. Even if I'm not like invested in that friendship, does that make sense? Yes. I want friendships that like I actually invest in. Right. And best my time and best my energy, like they get something positive for me and vice versa. Yes, no, I totally get that. I think I am the same way. I was for a long time struggling with separating friendships from acquaintances. Yes. Like everyone was my friend where like now I, I don't feel obligated to answer certain text messages. I don't feel obligated to give people my new phone number. I don't like I just don't and I don't care to like even have like small talk. Like maybe that sounds really rude and

I don't mean for it to be rude. I don't mean for it to be offensive. I don't mean to like offend anyone. I just don't want, I don't want to make new friends. Like I can make new acquaintances and I can, but there's very few friendships that I actually invest like my time in. Agreed. And is that rude? Is that wrong? No. And I actually was saying that sometimes it's just overwhelming when you're trying to do and juggle a lot of things and then you feel like, and I know people that are listening to this will also relate that sometimes your phone will blow up with people that you don't even regularly talk to or just like aren't in your inner circle, I guess is what you would call it. And sometimes I

do feel bad whenever I'm not getting back to something. And obviously you've seen my phone. So it's like a lot of some things that I don't get back to. But if my true girlfriend texts me or you know, it's something that's a part of my inner circle that texts me and needs to be gotten back to that I'm like very quick in response. But otherwise I feel like sometimes it takes away from like living in the moment. Does that make sense? Yes. No, I agree. And I'm just like, Okay, well, I need to like focus on what I'm doing and not focusing on this. I think that's completely fair. And I don't think that that's out of line at all. In other news, we have to watch the Demi Lovato doc and talk about it. You did watch it already.

We can't talk about it this week because I didn't watch it yet. So we're going to table it for next week. Okay. And also, if you guys have not watched, I forget what it's called. It's about the Menendez brothers. I had only just heard about this case recently. I don't remember it. I don't I never even heard about it in the media or anything. My friend told me about it. It's on Hulu and I believe there's stuff on YouTube about it. But I want to talk about the Menendez brothers. I also want to talk about on Netflix, there's a doc that just came out about white boy Rick. And I want everyone to tell me what their thoughts are. Lindsay, if you do get a chance to watch it, the Demi Lovato doc is really long so we can

totally cover that one first. And then like maybe in a week or two, we can cover the white boy Rick one. I watched the white boy Rick one yesterday and was completely blown the fuck away. So can you give us a little background about it for those who would be interested in watching because I'm going to watch all of these things so that we can cover them next week. But I also kind of like talking about it a little briefly before. So it gives people the chance to watch before we talk about it. And we need to cover C Spiracy and we need to cover Olivia Benson and Stabler are fucking

bad. Oh my God. I need to cover all of these things. Okay, wait, but so for white boy Rick, white boy Rick was essentially, well, he he's been in prison for I want to say it was like 29 years and now he was released from a Michigan State prison. I don't remember what exact prison it was. And now he's serving a separate non consecutive or non consequent. What is it called when it's like normally you can add that time to your previous sentence, but they actually broke it up and made him like they released him from Michigan and then now he's serving separate time for something else. Oh, wow.

In Florida, it's really, really fucked up because basically like our government or FBI or whatever it was hired him as an informant. And then I can't even describe to you like what was going on. But basically they were using this chat this ju like a juvenile as an informant and then turned around and arrested him about a year later after not using him as an informant anymore. And has he has then served 29 years for that and then the the actual drug dealers like the kingpins of the gang that he was basically an informant for have were out in 17 years, but they have him in for 29 and then serving five for something else like Grand Theft Auto. But I don't think even he was an actual Grand Theft Auto. I

think he was just like related to the situation. And he goes by white boy Rick. He was 17 years old. His dad was a gun dealer in Michigan. But the completely just like inhumane unfair punishment is up for opinion and debate and all of that. And so there's a dock on Netflix, but it's really, really good. Oh, wait, while we're while we're on this topic about watching stuff, what was that movie that you got so frustrated? I forget what the name of it was. I got frustrated with. Yeah, you were like, I'm so frustrated because it doesn't make sense. The ending doesn't make sense. And I watched that was on Netflix. It was not behind her eyes. It

was. That's gonna drive me crazy. Oh my God. What I also watched who killed Sarah on Netflix as well. Okay, I also tried to start watching that and it's all in Spanish. Oh, you don't have your subtitles on. We have talked about this a million times if I thought those were automatic subtitles. If I wait, wait, time out. Time out. I watched who is Sarah in English. Well, I was sound was English. I was told by some unnamed person that it was in Spanish and I would have to watch it in with subtitles and that I wouldn't like it. I did not. I had my subtitles on, but my the voices were in English. It's called dead, deadly illusions is what we were deadly illusions. Yes. Okay, so that movie is fucked up and it pissed me

off. Kill is so mad y'all like I could feel the anger from your text messages and we weren't even talking about it. It was it really pissed me off. It pissed me the fuck off because you didn't understand the end. No, and then even when you sent me the link, it pissed me off because it really didn't. It didn't answer any questions. So if you guys want to watch deadly illusions or you already have and you thought it was so good and the ending was going to have an answer for you and you're disappointed because you still are can fucking confused, please let me know because same. Same. I also was kind of confused, but I think I understand it. I just can't verbalize what I understood. Does that make sense? Yeah.

Well, I'm going to need you to figure it out so you can let me know. I need you to speak. That's what I'm going to need you to do. Okay, so we're going to watch all of these things. I did hear actually it was in a conversation at dinner last night about the Menindez brothers and how tick talkers are advocating for them to have like a retrial or whatever. Have you seen this? I have not seen this, but actually now that you say that, that's who I heard it from. So Caden, he's 16. You guys know who I'm talking about. He was the one that saw it on tick talk. So then he watched this, the court hearing or whatever on YouTube and then told me about it. And then I was like, Oh my God, I need to see it. And I literally

watched it right then and there. I have a lot of feelings on this and I am probably the unpopular opinion about this, but I, um, I don't know if I, I, let me, let me rephrase this. I think that it was a financial motive. I agree. I feel about it. I, I, I tried to see the other side of it. Yes. And at first I was like, Oh wow. Um, you know, and, and for a minute there, I was like, you know, I, I believe it, but for me, you know, I went back and I watched a second version. I think the first one I watched was on Hulu and the second thing I watched was on YouTube. And I, I personally think that it was a financial motive because they covered more about like all the things that they went and bought directly

after the murders and like what they did for that entire year. And for me, I, I personally believe it was a financial motive. So I agree, but I haven't watched any of the new stuff. So I'm going to wait until I give my opinion on that next week, but everyone, if you're interested in any of these documentaries and want to watch before we discuss, make sure you watch before you listen next Thursday, because we will be discussing all of the things. Um, yes. Hey, PS. People were asking, and this was like a really common question that I got. Um, how we, okay, let me read it. It says, um, how to separate business and personal relationships. And I feel like this is a really

good question because I think that sometimes it can be a little hard to navigate. I don't, and our personal relationship and our business relationship, I don't feel like it's that hard to navigate anymore. Probably earlier on when you just like don't know how each other operate as much was probably more difficult. Um, but I think that it's like very tricky to be in business with a friend or even a spouse. I am struggling with this. I don't feel like for me and you, we had more of like learned like growing pains, like figuring out how to essentially deal with each other's scheduling was an issue scheduling, and then also like how we handle conflict, right? Like kind of

like a love language, but like how we handle conflict. Um, or, or just like a conflict of, um, like a different opinion. We didn't know how to handle that. And so I feel like our, my differences with you are very different and they're able to like be worked through. Um, there are other relationships that I, I've struggled with like friends and business and that's, that's been a little bit hard for me, especially because as you know, and all of our listeners know when I can hire my friends, I do because when I eat, I want my friends to eat. And if I know that they have a skill or are good at what they do in something in their own lives and I can take that on, I want to hire them, not because

I'm hiring my friends to like pay them to be my friends, but because I want to support them, support them. Right. That's a good way to put it. So, um, yes. And I, I'm curious to see what other people say because I, there's one specific, um, situation in my life that I, I don't know how to navigate. And it's so hard sometimes too with, um, to separate, I think for some people, the emotional aspect of the, the friendship from the business, like it's very hard when you're in that situation to look at things objectively black and white because there is an emotion attached to that. Yeah. And so I could definitely agree with that. I mean, I couldn't even imagine being in business with a spouse or significant other.

I think that would be the most difficult thing to do, probably very rewarding in a lot of ways, but also very difficult to navigate because really how do you turn it off? Like I think that would be the hardest part for me. Yeah, I could see that being really hard. I know I have a friend who was working for her dad. Um, and her dad is like, for a lack of better words, like a hard ass at work, like he's strictly about business and had some words for her while she was working, um, strictly about the business. And then when she had gone home for dinner, it was like, Oh, dad's back, like regular dad that I, you know, my father and she couldn't separate the two because she was like, you just fucking

yelled at me at work and now you're going to come home and act like that never happened. And so on her, for her, it was, it was really hard. And I guess I could see that. Obviously I've never had anything like that. Um, but I could see why that would be difficult. So difficult. And then someone else asked us, um, how to slow down and be more patient with their kids. Um, I wish I had advice on that. Um, I've learned to kind of step away and give myself five. I say, I'm going to take five. And then I can look at things again a little more objectively versus being in the heat of the moment of being like very upset at something. Um, because, you know, kids just sometimes really irk a nerve that

you didn't even know that you had. Um, and it can be very difficult. Like one thing that I absolutely hate is that I've experienced this entire trip is like, when I say we're getting up and going to dinner, why are you still sitting there in your underwear? Like why? I meant we were getting up and going. Like I wasn't talking to myself when I was looking at you. So why are you still in your draws on the couch? Twittling your thumbs? Yes. Yes. So understood things like that really get on that last nerve that I didn't know existed. That makes me, um, want to be crazy. So today when I knew that I had to record, I was like, everybody out, everybody out 12, 1245 rolls around. Everybody's still

sanering around this place. And I'm like, okay, well, um, I'm glad that everything that I say is really important to everyone in my life. Um, nothing I say is important to anyone in my life, obviously. So yeah, kids, kids are interesting because also I feel like as much as they get on our last nerve sometimes, I have more patients with Jackson than anything that I've ever had in my life agreed, agreed. So I think that's a thing too. Like the thing that I allow Jackson to get away with no one else in my life could ever get away with those things. I mean, not completely cut them off. I thought that patients got, I thought I got more patients as I get older, but really it's the opposite. No, I think it's just because

you've been a parent for so long that you're just like, okay, I've been doing this for quite some time and I'm kind of tired of repeating myself. I think that's more your situation. I, yeah, I'm not really, I'm not entirely sure, especially with like Creed and his like sleep issues. I just thought that this would be a walk in the park since I've done it three times prior. And honestly, like I've had both ends of the spectrum as far as like good sleeper, bad sleeper, medium sleeper, attached to the hip, doesn't want shit to do with me. Like I've had all of it, but Creed really tested my patients. He does test my patients. I was talking to this mom at the pool and she had like a stack of cups that had salt and lime

pieces like on the side. And it was, you know, obviously tequila shots that she had drank and then like stacked up. And she was taking shots. She had two girls that were in the pool and then a little boy, a nine and 10 year old in the pool and then a six month old son and said that one of the girls were so hard that that's why she didn't have the third one until so much later. And I wonder how many people actually experienced that because I feel like that's been my experience with Jackson. Nothing has been easy when it's come to raising him. Like everything has been very difficult. And I know that you're experiencing that with Creed right now, but thank goodness he's the youngest and you probably wouldn't

have had him if it would have been like Lincoln. Oh my God, like I, when people ask me, do I want any more kids and I am going through the egg retrieval process, like that is solely in the, in like before I was like, Oh, I would totally have another one by myself and like choose to do it by myself and la-dee-da-dee-da. No, like I'm literally freezing my eggs for the sole reason that I end up with someone that does not have children of their own and wants children. And I would consider it because it would be a literal 50 50 situation. Um, Creed is the reason why I would have no more children. It's so funny though, because I do feel like when parents have children that are difficult children like Creed and Jackson,

that they do have a completely different mindset of having another one because I'm like, Oh my gosh, I don't know. I mean, it's just there's pushback about everything and everything just seems so much harder than what it is for other people. Like when I hear you talk about Lincoln or Isaac or even Lux, I'm like, that must be nice. But then when I hear you talk about Creed, honestly, in a very selfish way, I get a little bit of satisfaction because someone understands. Yes, no, I trust me. Trust me. If you're, if you're telling me that Jackson is was anything or is anything like Creed, like I feel your pain. I hear you. I'm supporting you from a, from all the way in Delaware. Like this is truly, I don't have words. Jackson

was colic until 16 weeks. And then when he got out of that, he immediately started teething. There was no break. I would put him in the car. He would scream literally until his head was purple until we got to where we were going. And that's how Creed is. Creed doesn't cry it out. There is no crying it out. He just cries and doesn't stop, just screams. And then not until I could change the car seat to a front facing car seat, which he was like two and a half by the time I did that, um, he was horrible in the car for like two and a half years. Can you imagine? Oh, I believe it. I, I thoroughly believe that. And I'm like, why, like, why is this like this? Obviously God wanted to really test my patients and

the ability, my, my survival skills. Honestly, your survival skills. Yes. Bye. Bye. Sometimes I feel like I am living naked and afraid in my own house. Like I am just surviving. Surviving and not fucking thriving. Not. Oh, absolutely not thriving. Thriving doesn't even cross my mind. Honestly. Okay. The last thing I want to talk about and then I'm heading to the pool pre nuptial agreements and post-nuptial agreements. I need to know what everyone thinks about this because I have changed my mind on this. I think it's like evolved over time and actually, um, really what triggered me to even think about this in the first place was reading all of the juicy gossip of Kim Kardashian

and Kanye West. That's what initially triggered my mind about this. And I just want to know like what people think and if they have them or if it wasn't a thought process going into a marriage, um, maybe a lot of people were like, Will and I, we didn't have a pot to piss in or a window to throw it out of when we got married. So that wasn't even a thought. Um, actually something that didn't air on Chris Lee knows, I don't think it ever aired on Chris Lee knows best was Will and I signing a pre nuptial agreement, but basically the pre nuptial agreement stated anything that we brought into the marriage, which was nothing belonged to us, but anything acquired within the marriage was 50 50.

Um, See that's tricky, especially for entrepreneurs. I feel like because it's so easy to, to say that that sounds good in the beginning and when you're about to get married, but then like as someone develops their own identity within the marriage from a business standpoint, I don't believe that that should be like marital. Yes, it happened within the marriage, but if you are working on it, like coffee combos will has absolutely nothing to do with coffee combos whatsoever. Right. So, uh, and I'm speaking from experience, I just would say like if something, and maybe you guys aren't a good example, but, um, if there, if you

were to split, there's no reason why will should have any part of coffee combos. Right. Like this is a labor of love that two moms created, you know, but then I was right. I was thinking about two very, very, very established people like Kim Kardashian and Kanye West. Right. What does that look like? Because I think that she takes what she has and he takes what he has because they're both very established. Neither of them are going to be hurting without the other. And that's where it gets tricky, right? Like you're right. 100% neither one of them are going to be hurting without, you know, without each, without the other one. But on the other

hand, it's like how many business deals happened off the name of the other or how many, how much do you know what I mean? And so in that way, I would be like, well, I mean, not for nothing, but like, look at the situation with Javi and I, like, how much did he gain financially by being with me? And that's not to pat myself in the back. That's like truly, okay, we'll give them the Air Force thing because I just planted the seed and then he actually did the work. Okay. I didn't take anything of his pension is 401k. None of that. Like I didn't touch any of that. But let's talk, let's talk finances and brand deals and other opportunities because of him being with me and being a part of Teen Mom too.

Right. And see, to me, that breeds a lot of resentment over time. It does. It does. It does because and then, and then there are times where I'm like, oh, it doesn't bother me like whatever, whatever. And then there, I will go back to small periods of time where it's like, okay, no, you really did benefit X, Y and Z off of me. So now, you know what I mean? Like I, I've definitely gone through the motions on that. So again, it's like, how much have you benefited off of someone else's name? You know what I mean? So in that way, it's weird, but, um, Well, speaking on that, people within your franchise, whether it be OG or Teen Mom to

people who start dating other people who then gain a following off of basically the main person's back in your case, like you, that's also, you know, it's like very annoying. Yeah. No. And, and, and people that are not in, in that situation won't, wouldn't understand. I don't think I think it would be very hard for them to understand it unless they're in it. But, um, my lawyer told me when I got divorced, he said, Oh, you hear Lux in the other room. Him and, um, Lincoln must be fighting. So I'll be, we're almost done here. So I'll go out there and check on them. Um, but for example, my lawyer had told me that when you get married, whether you have, if you have anything worth $10,000, whether it's a car,

whether it's a house, whether it's anything $10,000 or more, you need to get a prenup. And that stuck with me because I think all of my stuff together probably when I got married wasn't worth $10,000, but thinking back to it was like, if anything were to happen and I would lose any of this and it's not worth $10,000, I would be literally back in the fucking homeless shelter like I was when I was with Isaac, you know what I mean? So I, I personally believe in prenups and then again, in post-nups, like say you enter a marriage and you have no anticipation of starting any type of business, but five years in you're presented with a personal opportunity, like a, a, an individual personal opportunity

where it only is for you, whether it's a passion project, whether it's like a labor of love, whether, no matter what it is, but it does not. The only thing it could do is like maybe benefit the marriage in some way, but maybe, but maybe not. Maybe it's just for you. I, I just personally would sign a post, like a post-nup true old agreement. If, if a partner came to me and said, Hey, Kale, you know, I know we're married and, you know, XYZ, but I have this opportunity to do this and I just, I worry, you know, if in the future we were to split, this is something that I'm very passionate about. If you, if you love this person and you don't feel like there's any, like, why wouldn't you sign it? Whether

you're going to get divorced or not? Like in that moment, you love that person and if you don't think it's going to go anywhere, why wouldn't you sign it? Those are hard conversations to have. I think they are. They are very hard because it's almost like you're preparing for something that's not happening, but in the event that it happens. And so it's just a very tricky thing to navigate. But specifically, I go back to the Kim Kardashian and Kanye West. It was all over the bedroom about how Netflix had reportedly bought Kanye West's multi part documentary for $30 million. And that project has said to have been in development for the past 20 years.

That's insane. First of all, I didn't hear, I've never heard about this. Yes. It's an insane amount of money. Like I can't even put my mind around $30 million. And then also on the shade room was that Forbes estimated that Kim Kardashian is now a billionaire. And due to her skims line divorce, her skims line. And I was like, how, why are the Kardashians so smart and come up with the best business plans, but they aren't even things that are like outlandish, like not something that you would see on Shark Tank or something. It's like literally intimates like skims and lip liner and lip gloss. Like someone told me, I wasn't you then. Someone said that she's now a billionaire because of this.

Oh, you sent me that shade room thing and I didn't read into it. And I was like, oh, she must have collected from Kanye. Oh, that was you. Oh, okay. I thought, okay, okay, okay. I, first of all, I had no idea about the Netflix documentary with Kanye West for $30 million. Like if that was in the works for 20 years, I personally just feel like that should be his, but he also signed a prenuptial allegedly signed a prenuptial agreement that said even in the event of a divorce, he would be willing to split it or whatever the case may be. And so money would go to Kim. Yes. So I'm almost like, what the fuck did he, was he banking on the fact that he was

just always going to remain bigger than her? Or what was the scenario? But it's all been so hush hush with your divorce. So I'll be interested to see like when it all does come down. What happens if she drops West as her last name? A lot of people had a lot of things to say about keeping or basically giving back your significant others or I guess former partners last name. And it was basically split pretty much what I read 50 50. Like some people, the reason they keep it is if there's children involved that they'll keep it. But I think that would just be weird. If what if I was like Lindsey, Chrisley Campbell, but then I went and got married and then I was like, Lindsey, Chrisley, Campbell, blah.

Well, because with that drop off or like, would it still be there? Um, no, I think you would know you would be like Lindsey, Chrisley, whatever, like your Campbell would drop like, I don't know. It's so weird and it's so tricky too, because I'm like, I couldn't imagine not having the same last name as my kid. Also that bothers me. Does that bother you with your children? It bothers me a lot. And I, I mean, there, I think last year, the year before it, and I might have said this on the last podcast when we talked about it was like, I asked Joe if I could, if we could hyphenate Isaac's name and he was not about it. He was not okay with it. Um, you know, in a year or two, Isaac

will be able to have a say in what he wants to do and the judge would ultimately decide. Um, but it does bother me because if he's, he's part of the family over there, um, and is a Rivera and has the same last name as them, but in my house, he's not allowed to be the same. Like Lincoln, I look at very differently only for the fact that his dad and I were married. And so it does not bother me because I chose not to change my last name to Mariquin and so, or hyphenate it. And so that does not bother me in the same way that it does with Isaac and, and Lux and Creed. So, um, was that an issue with you and Harvey, by the way? Um, a little bit. Yeah. I think it definitely bothered him, especially because

at the time his brother had gotten married maybe a month or two later and, and his wife went the next day and changed her last name. And so it's very different, but I already had branding in my name. Like my entire brand had already been Kale Lowry. Yeah. And people knew you from 16 and pregnant and teen mom as Kail and Lowry Lowry. Yeah. So, or Kale a little bit different. Kale. Well, and they're finally changing on teen mom too. They're changing it to Kale. They are changing it. Finally. Yes. Yes. Yes. I love that. And I beg that from the beginning. How, what if people, like, do people not know that Joe's real name is Jonathan and Harvey's real name is Jose. And for whatever

reason they've had their nicknames on there since they, since we started, but I was never allowed to have my nickname. That's so weird, but I actually love that it says Kailin because whenever I'm serious about something, I'll be like Kailin. I hate it. I love it. Okay. So, um, I am going to go down to the pool and I know that you need to go and check and make sure your children haven't harmed each other. Um, so I will talk to you next week. Make sure that you guys catch up on those documentaries. If you want to be a part of the conversation and if you guys have not subscribed to us, make sure you do that on the purple podcast app by typing coffee combos, click subscribe, click the fifth star, leave

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