Coffee Convos with Kail Lowry and Lindsie Chrisley - 162: Cancel Culture, Bullying, & Naked Kissing

Episode Date: May 27, 2021

THis week Lindsie and Kail are joined by Lindsie's friend and co-host of The Southern Tea, Katy Harrell. First they talk about the recent Chrissy Teigen scandal and the fallout from it. Cancel culture runs rampant in our society, and Chrissy is no exception. And who decided that signing up for social media meant signing up to be bullied? People will say anything when they are hidden behind a screen. And the ladies talk about a hilarious story about a kid who caught his dad "naked kissing". Anyone else ever get caught "naked kissing"? This episode was sponsored by: Gravity Blanket, Scentbird, and Credit Karma Have a question you want answered? Want to give Kail and Lindsie a call? Leave them a message at ?(609)-316-0060?. Music by Nathaniel Wyvern. Licensed under Creative Commons: By Attribution 4.0 License.

Hey Lindy, I'm a little depressed today, but welcome back to Coffee Convos podcast. Hill, you can't, you can't do that. You can't like announce the show and be like, I'm in a bad mood and I don't want to be doing this. I'm not in a bad mood. I'm in a sad mood. Why? What happened?

Okay. Are you ready? I don't know. So I don't know either. I don't know if we're either one of us are ready. I feel really dumb. I think that's why I'm depressed. So basically I went to the land yesterday to check on my build and I was so freaking

excited to see like the center blocks are going up. I don't really know like what the center blocks are for. I guess like the bottom of the house. I don't know. So I'm like, wow, this feels like really small. Like something is not right about this. And I panic and I go home and I start measuring rooms. Okay.

Now tell me why I never did this before they started building. Like I never knew on paper, the way my layout is like my blueprints and things like that, like the 15 by 13 sounds like a great size room. Like on, on, on the blueprints, it looked fine compared to the other rooms. So I'm like, okay, it should be fine. And I signed off and you know, this is all of this is my fault, by the way. I go home and I'm like, Oh my God, I'm literally building an exact replica of my current home. And I don't really know where the extra square footage is going because the dining room,

the kitchen and the living room are all the same size as what I'm currently in. And I would have never, like, I guess I'm annoyed because how the fuck am I supposed to know what a 13 by 15 room looks like? And nobody like said, Oh, this is what that would be. It's so interesting that you say this because literally, and it's also so weird how in sync our lives are, because I'm literally going to my house tomorrow to measure rooms for like furniture and make sure that everything will be good. But honestly, I feel like that's not part of like the building process that anyone would

think of to be like, Oh, I need to go and measure this room or compare it to like, especially in your case, since you've never built a house before to compare it to the one that you're currently in. I don't even know what the room size is in my current house. You know what I mean? Like until, and I guess I never just by looking at it on paper, like the blueprints of the build, I was like, this looks fine. Like it looks fine.

There's nothing wrong with it. So when I went and stood inside, well, so I cried my eyes out last night and I'm panicking and my builders in Disney right now. So he's he's away and I'm texting him and I'm sure he's like wants to kill me, I'm sure. And so my designer got on a call with everybody this morning. I mean, I talked to her last night, I texted the builder, you know, whatever, and we came up with a new plan. But the problem like basically we had because the roof and the trusses have already been

ordered and so like we're $50,000 in already. And so we can't do a whole lot other than reconfigure the downstairs. So that requires new permits because now load bearing walls will be different. So now we have to take a six week pause. Oh, Kayle. So well, I will right now, I'm very sad. Assure everyone who's listening to this that Disney for Kayle's builder was not the happiest place on earth yesterday or today for the calls.

I feel so dumb. Like I don't know why I never thought to like measure the like. Do you get what I'm saying? Yes. What are you doing before? So you are you adding more rooms? Like what's happening? No, I'm taking so I have like a playroom like a billiards room that I was wanting to put

like a pool table and like like a movie theater situation in it. And then I have like a living room and a sitting room like two different ones. So I'm like, wait a minute. Well, I don't need three hangout spots. Like we need one like game type room for the kids and one living room. I don't want any wasted space. And that's like the biggest thing I have for my house right now is like, I don't want rooms that nobody's ever going to use.

I don't need a family room, a sitting room and a game room. I think one living room and one hangout room is well is more than enough. So we're going to eliminate the big family room and kind of reconfigure all of that and see where we're at. But I am I'm embarrassed. I'm embarrassed because I don't know why I just wasn't I was and it also makes it so much worse when you already have money invested in something and it's like, okay, we have to figure out how to make this work because there's too much invested at this point.

So listen, I'm praying for you. Thank you. I know you'll get it figured out and I'm sad that you were sad yesterday. I'm sad that it was not the happiest place on earth at Disney for your builder yesterday and all the things, but we can move on to like happier times. Yes. Yes. Yes.

Guess what? Jackson only has two days of school left and I honestly could not. I could not be more pumped. He's like, why am I still going at school? We're playing bubbles. I'm like, um, good question. So could all in because when he gets in high school, the last day will be like testing or something.

So enjoy it. And literally when I got back from, I feel like I haven't talked to you in forever. Even though I talked to you like a hundred times a day, but I got back from New York. I feel like I just kind of like went into this hibernation mode, but we went into our first baseball tournament, which was terrible news. Like we got swept, so that wasn't good. And then just like trying to get ready for our next trip and like, you know, house stuff and kids and all the things your time, like some days do you ever think, Oh, well, if

I only had, if I had 26 hours in this day instead of 24, I would have gotten so much more done. Um, yeah, that's pretty much every day for me. So I just need like three more hours and then everything would be fine. Yes. I, I agree. But we have like a million things to talk about, but before we get started, I just wanted to say thanks so much for supporting my new little project and it meant the world to me

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Hi, Katie. Hi. Thanks for having me. Yeah, of course. So please tell me how y'all met and how this all came about because I'm so curious. Yeah. So we just followed each other on Instagram forever. And then we realized that we had, we like have the same management company, the same

manager. And I don't know, I just feel like me and Lindsay have so much in common and we knew that like since the day we started following each other. And I've always wanted to start a podcast about was way too scared. And then Lindsay approached me and was like, would you want to do a podcast with me? And I was like, yeah, yeah, I literally was so excited to gas. That's so exciting. I'm so, I'm so excited to just see like how, because someone commented on, um, I think

it was the posts that you guys did. And someone was like, kill. I know you love Lindsay. So you're going to love Katie and I was like, okay, like I already subscribed, downloaded all of it. Oh, that's sweet. Thank you. Um, yeah.

And thanks for being so supportive. You commented on my post right when, when we posted it and I was like, oh my gosh, I was fangirling a little. I died. Wait, Katie, answer the question is Texas the South or is it the Midwest? Oh, I think it's the South. I feel like it's the Midwest. I think like Georgia, South Carolina, Tennessee, like those states are the South to me.

Yeah. Yeah. But I mean, people who, who live in Texas are going to listen to this and they're going to be like, Lindsay, go to hell. We are like real Southerners. So what are you all called Delaware? Just like Northern the North. Yeah.

Okay. Yeah. You don't consider it. The North. Uh, yeah, I definitely would. I def. Well, I don't know because there's like beaches and stuff, but then also, I guess like Maine has beaches also and that's like Northern.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I guess the North. The North. Yes. Okay. So I'm not good at geography.

Listen, so same Katie and I were texting yesterday about the Chrissy Teigen stuff. And it's something, Katie, oh God. It's something that I feel like we need to talk about because one, it's just so relevant right now, but two, it really speaks to like how you, you and I were talking about this in New York, but I don't think we recorded about it about kind of being like a fence sitter on this situation and like not attacking people from something that they did in their past or whatever, because, you know, we could all be shamed for something. But this situation to me is a bit different, um, because I even wasn't a bully when I wasn't

like social media followed. So I can't really get behind, do I'm saying? Like supporting. Yeah. Yeah. No, I have a lot of feelings on it and they're pretty mixed actually. Like they're just like a bunch of mixed feelings. Like on one hand, I, I totally can see why people would want to cancel her and, you know,

the things that she said were kind of crazy. Um, but then on the other hand, it's like, you have to look at the entire picture and kind of see, you know, how long ago did she say these things? What, what kind of timeline are we looking at? Um, because I do think that there, there's a lot to be said about people who grow and change and who are willing to learn and who are truly willing to acknowledge, you know, the hurt that they've caused and not just say that they acknowledge it, but truly, you know, feel it and, and, and learn from it.

So I'm not so familiar. I'm not really a Chrissy Teigen fan in general. Um, like I don't like her or dislike her. Um, I'm just a pretty neutral anyway. Um, so when I pulled the stuff up, um, a lot of it is about like Pete Davidson and Chrissy Teigen. Like I think every single article is about him and her. Um, so I don't exactly know what she did or, um, other than what Lindsey had told me

about, um, I want to say it was like Courtney Stodden. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So, um, basically she was exposed for sending cruel messages to women on social media and then Courtney Stodden, um, she sent a message like in 2011 to her saying go to sleep forever. And then she mocked Lindsey Lohan, um, who has admitted to cutting herself in the past. And then Chrissy Teigen tweeted, um, Lindsey adds a few more slits to her wrist when she

sees Emma Stone and that was in 2013. And then this is to your franchise, someone used to be a part of your franchise, um, Teigen publicly called out teen mom star Farah Abram and called her a whore. Yikes. Okay. Um, so I definitely also think that with all of that being said, there's a fine line between being funny, um, and kind of insulting, not that they should be one in the same, but then like full on like bullying are very different.

Yeah. I agree. And it wasn't Chrissy, like, I don't think they have evidence yet, but didn't Courtney say that she was like DMing her like saying that she could, she should just go ahead and kill herself. Yes. Yes. Yeah.

That's in my opinion. That's awful. I think it's so awful. Not funny at all. Right, like there's a difference between like making, I shouldn't say that it's like, okay, but you get, you guys get what I'm saying when I mean, like, yeah, saying something that's funny, but it's like also an insult, but there's a, it's borderline, like where she's at is kind of pretty excessive.

And I mean, yeah, you can't just tell someone to go kill themselves. Right. No, that's completely crossing the line. I mean, completely, I, who is, um, it says Kelly Dodd doubles down on Chrissy Teigen criticism. I'm not a hypocrite. I don't know who Kelly Dodd it. Okay.

Real housewives. Real housewives. Yeah. Katie knows about all reality shows, like every, I can't relate, so let's hear it. Yeah. She knows about all real housewives, siesta key, teen mom, like Katie knows more about you than I do. Probably.

That's funny. Probably. Yeah. That is, um, reality TV is my, like, it's guilty pleasure. Like I'm, yeah, it's my guilty pleasure. I love it. So, but yeah, did she say something about Kelly? Um, yeah, it looks like she's saying, um, no, no, no, it looks like Kelly is saying

that she's not a hypocrite. So I'm thinking that she probably came down on Chrissy for that, but, um, she has been known to do mean things supposedly. So yeah. Yeah. And I mean, not for nothing, but she has 13.6 million followers on Twitter and 34.8 million followers on Instagram. So with having that type of influence comes with a level of responsibility and I hate

to say it, but there's really no excuse that could be given that I would actually, actually believe that, um, you were sorry for something like this when it's repeated behavior over a period of years that you've done it and you know better, like, you know better than to tell someone to kill themselves. Right. Right. That's true. I mean, I, I definitely agree with that.

I think that that's, that's not like a, you know, an ignorant statement or comment that you are like, Oh wow, like I really need to be educated or, you know, things like that. It's more, you just don't say that to someone. And then she was pulled from Macy's and then target also dropped her. Um, so she doesn't have her cookware line. And then I believe her cookbook is all, was also, um, taken out of target too. So I mean, it's just, it's crazy. And then, I mean, obviously with brands, you know, um, they don't want to be associated

with a bully and could you really blame them? I mean, so by those actions that she did, the impact of these people's lives ultimately had the ultimate impact on her life because it's basically has fine financially caused a huge burden for her. Yeah. I just think like, go ahead. Yeah. Go ahead.

So I was just going to say, I could be wrong, but wasn't she really big like cancel culture too? Yes. She was. Before this happened. Yeah. So now I'm just curious to see like what her thoughts are on that now that she's like all is going through it, like she's been canceled.

Like she's been canceled and I wonder now if she's like, oh, that's wrong. Like people should be able to, you know, we should forgive and people should be able to, you know, make their mistakes, right? And stuff like that. Like I'm just curious now what her, I would love to know what her stance is on cancel culture now that she's actually been canceled. I've, I've been canceled many, many, many times. So I can understand that and it's, it's hard because I definitely think that there's a

difference between, you know, making ignorant comments, but being willing to learn and being willing to acknowledge and being willing to apologize versus like Lindsay said, you know, when you tell your, when you tell somebody to kill themselves or multiple people to kill themselves or you're just constantly bullying someone, I do think that there is a difference. So I'll be curious to see how this plays out. Um, had, do you know if she's made any other statements? Like, apparently apologize on Twitter, right? Lindsay?

Yeah. She, she did apologize, but I mean the private DMs that she had had with Courtney Sodden, she had told her to kill herself. Um, other things like I can't wait for you to die. I hate you. My Friday fantasy, you dirt nap, like all of these crazy things. Just over and over to the same person. That's to me, like very targeted towards someone.

It's not like she's sent out. I mean, I get some crazy DMs from people, but it's almost like other people are attached on those DMs. Have you ever seen those where like a lot of people are attached and it'll say something mean, but it goes to like a lot of people. It's not a situation like that. This is like a direct target, you know, to her. And so I just don't understand, but I think this, um, speaks to, I've actually talked

about this before people in high places that have, you know, these large followings that think that they have no accountability for their actions that they can just do and, um, speak and say as they please with zero repercussions, it will eventually come back. Yeah. Um, I definitely, to that point. Um, it's not just like dark humor. It's like, but why? I wonder like, I guess the therapy part of me is like, where is it coming from?

Because even dark humor, twisted humor, or like making jokes of yourself, um, covers up insecurities of some sort, right? Like that's like what we learn in therapy is like sometimes people who are really depressed covered up with humor or like when you have, um, you make fun of yourself, like I do it. I make fun of myself or I'll try to call myself out on my ship before someone else does. Because I, it's all like sub sometimes subconscious, like insecurities or whatever that looks like. Where is this coming from? Like why is she doing it?

Why did she do it? Why did she do it so many times to so many people? Like I, I guess I'm curious to know what the why is. Seems to me like a power thing, you know, like because I'm here. That's weird. Like I can do basically whatever, whatever I want to do, but one, she also had attacked a us weekly reporter and I loved the quote that he said, celebrities like Tegan don't realize the power of their words on social media.

She and plenty of others don't think about the person on the other end. They think about the likes or comments and don't realize they're real people and that their words affect. They get mass approval and have zero regard for the damage being done. This is troll behavior. Like that is troll behavior. They don't, someone commented on my post today and said, Oh, the fillers in your face are ugly or are really disgusting or something like that.

And I was like, great. Now you've hurt my feelings. How do you feel? Like thank you for saying that to me. Like how do you feel? That's troll behavior. You're not showing me who you are. It's like a, just like you said, a power thing, but she already has millions and millions

of followers. She has millions and millions of dollars. She's married. She has children. Like what seems to be a pretty decent life, why do you feel the need to quote unquote have power or you know what I mean over people like this to be that nasty? Like I guess I just don't know. I can't understand it.

Katie and I were talking about it yesterday. Yeah. Well, I'm like you. Like I've never been a bully or mean in my entire life. I feel like I can't even wrap my head around someone whose mind goes there. Right. Right. Like it just, it's weird.

It's weird. I will never. We've said it so many times on so many episodes is like Chrissy Teigen or not people who comment like really shitty things to people DM really shitty things to people. Like what is the purpose? What is the why? What is your end goal? I don't understand how someone who's she's pretty, she's smart, she has money, she has

a family, she has and you know, deals with companies, like all of these things like what are you missing that this is what you're doing? I'm just, I would love an ex like a real explanation because in therapy, I, I learned that when I'm kind of in a bad place, I take it out in those ways. Like maybe I would, I've said it before like, Oh, I would be like, Oh, what the hell is that girl wearing kind of thing? You know what I mean? But when I'm happy and I'm in a good place, I wouldn't talk about someone like that.

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I mean, he's on, isn't he a host on The Voice? The Voice, yeah. Yeah. And I do know that. And he's on his stories every day telling people to vote, but I don't think he's addressed his rightful. The network addressed it actually and said that, you know, yeah, that they were standing behind John and basically like ultimately he wasn't going to be penalized for his wife's

poor decision making. And then there was a commercial, I believe, like Dearing the Voice that actually ended up airing by VRBO that was John, Chrissy, and their children. And that company still decided to move forward with the commercial. So I'm just, oh gosh, I don't know. Now I'm kind of like, they're getting some heat. And now I'm like, I don't want to stay at a VRBO. I can't say that I, I don't, I don't think that John should be penalized for what Chrissy

did. I don't think that's fair. I don't think that's fair either, but I agree. I mean, think about people and marriages or relationships, you know, one person makes a dumb decision. Why is it fair for the other person to have to go down for whatever that person did? It's not. I mean, I definitely think that to some degree, good or bad, you represent the person like

you are a representation of who you're with. But at the end of the day, you're not that person. And if these things were going on far before they got married or were in a relationship, I mean, even if they were in a relation, were, were these things, like, what is the timeline? Do you have one? Do you know? Like how long this has been going on? Yeah.

Um, well, I think the Courtney starting tweet started started in 2011. So I mean, it's been a while. Do you, how do you feel about that? How do you feel about like the 10 year situation? Because I mean, I mean, she might have told her that in 2011. And I'm sure other people will end up coming forward for things that she's done. But I truly feel like, I mean, I don't know if you remember this Kale, but a long time

ago, someone had asked who was like our dream guest on coffee combos. And I literally said Chrissy Teigen because she's so funny and like her humor's a bit dry. You did say that. Yeah. And so I loved her humor, but not until I like fell out of love with her, um, during the election, because the things that she would do was just like beyond, beyond crazy. And then like the deleting of tweets and the deleting of the account.

And I mean, there was just a lot of things that she did that I was like, I don't know, like if I can support this anymore. But at one time I was a major fan of Chrissy Teigen and now like I can't support it. And I would like love to be able to say that some of these actions were a result of pain from her losing her child. But because this happened in 2011, um, and then 2013, and then I think there's other things in between years that you can't say that because that was recent. Right.

Right. Right. Okay. I mean, I, I definitely, I hear you. I definitely hear you. So. And Katie, I don't know if you remember, Kale doesn't watch the bachelor or anything like that.

But, um, do you remember Ben Higgins season where, um, that girl, Olivia had attacked Amanda Stanton saying that she was, um, like, why was she even on the show? Because she should be on Teen Mom or something. Yes. Yeah. Wait, what? Do you remember that? Yeah.

Yeah. That was bad. Who said this? Amanda Stanton. Yeah. About, about who? No. Olivia.

So. Tell her the situation. I can't remember how it all played out. Well, yeah. Olivia, I can't remember Olivia's last name was on the show as one of the contestants and said that to Amanda Stanton, who was also a new estant. You know who that is. So an insult to Teen Mom.

That's fine. I'm not, I'm not offended, but that's really funny. Um, but what did she do? She got chewed up and spit out like people literally, I think, sent her death threats for making that type of comment about her saying that she said that because Amanda was also on the show as a contestant competing for Ben and Amanda had two girls. And so it was like a jealousy thing that Olivia was like, she should be on Teen Mom. Like why is she even here?

She should be with her kids type situation and that's not nice. It wasn't nice at all. And so I think about that when I think of the Teen Mom comment that Chrissy Teigen made Colin Farah, a room's a whore, um, the situation that happened on the bachelor and it's just like, why are girls so mean? If someone was like to, Oh, you should go be on Teen Mom. Like that's not, I don't care. Like that's like not, I think it's funny.

Like whatever you can say what you want about me, but, um, to be, to say the other things though, like, I don't know, why are girls so mean? I feel like Instagram, I don't know. That's I think. Oh my gosh, y'all. It is crazy. And like people feel like they can just be mean so much these days because they just hide behind a computer screen or a phone or.

I don't understand it because I wouldn't leave nasty comments. I just would keep, like we've said it a hundred times. You just keep strolling. But I have, um, Katie, I don't know if Lindsay has told you, but I have literal hate pages dedicated to me and I just want to know like what their husbands and boyfriends and stuff like think of that. Like, do they help? Do they think it's weird?

Do they not know what would they do if they say, do they even know like that's so weird? I asked one of my kids dads, I said, what would you do? And he was like, I would not ever talk to you. Like that's weird. Um, so I don't, I don't, I, I know girls were mean before social media. Like we know that, but I feel like, um, reality TV, it's like amplified social media. It's amplified. Um, but I mean, it's crazy.

And there's even podcasts now that are like about, I mean, bullying people. Like there's one that I was on pretty much the entire episode was just destroying me. And it's just crazy because yeah, it's, it's nuts. What do you mean? For what though? Like what, why would that, why? It's a podcast and it's about, they just like basically make fun of like influencers and bloggers.

And I don't know if you know this kale, but I like am really open about my mental health and I like battle depression and there's been times where it's been really, really bad. And basically they went on there and just made fun of me and like, I mean, it was horrible. Yeah. It was horrible. I mean, I cried all day. Like Cam had to take off work because I couldn't even take care of Harper much hot. Like it was horrible.

And you talk about bringing depression feelings back is listening to that kind of stuff. But it's crazy because one of the hosts on there basically is a blogger so it doesn't make any sense and she is a mom to like two boys and has a husband and seems very normal. And I couldn't help but think the same exact thing you just said. I'm like, what does her husband think of this? Like what example is she setting for her kids that this is like what she does for a living is talk crap about hundreds of people on a podcast like and just tear them down. Like it was, it's just crazy.

It blows my mind. I don't understand. It's, it's very, I'm sorry that happened to you. That is a first of all, like I said earlier, it's weird. It's there's something to be said about the host for doing that. But like, how do you have a podcast like ripping people apart and like I said, this goes beyond like, you know, using humor to insult someone, you know, you know, here and there. But like when you're actually using your words mean so much and it's the like mind over matter.

Like if you're the saying mind over matter is like, okay, talk yourself into something like for example, I did this tough mother race, right? Like mind over matter and I told myself I prepared myself and I was able to do exactly what I set my mind to, right? But again, words of affirmation, mind over matter, if you tell yourself enough, you're going to believe it. When you hear people say nasty things to you over and over and over again, or you get on a podcast and you think that you're, you know, you're, you're doing something really cool

like going on a podcast or whatever and they're tearing you down, like those words will stick with you. I mean, I don't need to tell you, but for our listeners, like if you guys have ever commented nasty things to people, said nasty things to people, we all have done it. But think about the people at the other end, they are real fucking people that have feelings and what you say, you don't know how long that will stick with somebody. I hope that you, did they publish or like not publish, did they release the episode that you were on?

Oh yeah, and then my manager, my management team tried to like get them to take it down and they wouldn't. And they basically just said, if you mention her again, like we'll see you for defamation or whatever, but yeah, they put, they published it and they never, they never took it down, but they deleted my name. So when they like kind of do like a notes of like what the episode's about, they deleted my name completely from it. I just don't understand.

It's crazy. The things that they said will stick with you for a long time, I'm sure. And the same goes for just, they get, I just don't, you can't say mind over matter, mind over matter for positivity and think that it does not mean the same for the negative things that people say. I just think that's very, very bizarre. It's crazy. And I realize, you know, when you have a platform or your own TV, whatever, you're, yeah, you

should have thick skin, but that still doesn't mean that it doesn't affect you. And that's what I feel like so many people are like, Oh, well, you signed up for this. No, I didn't. I didn't sign up to get bullied every day. Like what? Well, so that was something that Lindsay and I have talked about before on our podcast too is like, it comes with the territory. I don't know that we necessarily knew that when we signed up for reality TV or social

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Okay. Oh my God. I can't even believe I'm telling this. Okay. So, before Chrisley knows best aired, everybody was kind of like worried about, you know, like what is the public going to think, you know, like we've never been watched or like anything like that. People don't know what goes on the, you know, four walls of our house, whatever.

And there was some nasty threads about some, some people that were on the show. And there was nothing that was nasty about me, but I had received, I was laying in the bed one night and I had received a screenshot of a nasty comment about me and Will. And I was like, that's just like weird. So like I'm looking at the comment, it seemed like very personally targeted. Have you ever read a comment from like an account and you're like, that person has to know me personally because they wouldn't know that stuff. Yes.

Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Okay. But at the bottom, it showed posting, not like it was a posted comment. It was being posted. So the person who sent it to me was the person who wrote it.

No, you're lying. I am not lying. I wait, I had chills. I stopped answering my text messages from this specific person, then they know, you know, they very know that I know. This is a very close person to me and I was asked to meet at a waffle house to meet two people at around like two or three a.m. because I stopped answering my phone and stopped answering text messages and this person was freaking out that I stopped responding because I literally

caught the action. I was like, wait a minute, like this is, this is something being, it's in the process of posting when you took the photo of it to send it to me. So this wasn't something that, can you imagine, and you didn't say anything. You just stopped talking to this person. Did you ever, did you meet up with them at three a.m. at the waffle house? No, but obviously, can I ask why three a.m. at the waffle house? Well, because I think the person, there was a couple of, I would say like co-conspirators

involved in this action that took place and I think that internally inside that house, some ruckus was probably going on like, oh my God, she knows that like we did this freaking out like maybe I would maybe not do the show or something or whatever. But yeah, that's what happened and I think it was just to try to like smooth things over. But at that point, I knew what I was dealing with and I was just like, you know what, there's no point in me saying anything. And of course it's always played off, you know, like when someone does something bad to you, people always try to play it off as like, oh, it was a joke or oh, you know, it

was this or that. But like it clearly wasn't a joke. But yeah, I've never told that story to anyone and I'm just like, kind of feels good now that I told you guys. Yeah, you got it out. Yeah. It hurts to and it's someone that you know. That's what I was about to say too, like how like how many people close to all of us because

I mean, you guys have a huge following. I have a following as well, like to think about the people that are close to us that are truly, truly, truly praying on our downfall. Oh yeah. Yeah. And then and then when you get the DMs or comments from the trolls that have no profile picture and they're not following anyone and I always wonder, I'm like, who is this person? Like, they set this up to talk crap to me, like is this like one of my friends hiding

behind this fake account? It's crazy. That's scary to think about. Yes. So well, it happened to my happened to one of my friends, y'all won't get into like a huge story over it, but basically there's this site that's anonymous that talks really bad about like influencers and she had it like an entire like 200 pages that were just blasting her and tearing her down.

And I can't really remember something with like an IP address and her husband knew how to find out who because there was one person in the anonymous that had like a screen name and it was that person that was mainly doing all of the terrible comments. And so he was like, you know, we can find it out through the IP address and they looked it up and it was one of her best friends. No, no, I've tried doing that. I've called me devastated. Well, maybe you can get help.

You can help me. There's one specific account that I and I don't I'm not going to post it because I know like if you post like the trolls information, like they will first of all, they'll say that it's illegal because you're not allowed to like docs. But when they're making nasty posts about you, like that and you're putting private information out there about, for example, there's an account that posted like my land, my address, like all of that stuff, my small business information, like the PPP loan, et cetera, et cetera. They're posting all that stuff about me with malicious intent.

But then if we turn around and get that person's account information and post it, we're wrong, not them because they're they're like a private person. So like, I just want to know who it is. If I just want to know if it's someone I know, I won't post their information, but I just like want to know who it is. Yeah, I don't blame you. And I don't know how the IP addressing works, but apparently you can find out. I don't know, Katie, it's crazy, though.

I want to tell you, I'm really sad that someone spent time out of their life to create a podcast episode, just be a mean to you. And not that this makes it any better. But sometimes Kail and I have talked about before, sometimes when you have someone else going through the same thing that you're going through, it makes it not like it makes it feel better because you want that person to like suffer. But it's like you have some common ground. I'm also talked about like a lot on a podcast.

So I just wanted to let you know that, sorry, you know, it's a weekly, it's a weekly occurrence and you know, bullying, bullying is real. It's a real thing. Yeah. Yeah. I love. You love what? I was just going to say, we got a, we got it in the bully and y'all, I feel like there's

like all these anti-bullying campaigns out now and I love it. I'm like, it's not cool to be a bully anymore. It's really not. I don't know who, I don't know why people, it's just weird. Who made that call? Let's get everyone into therapy. Damn it. Yeah.

Seriously, everyone just go to therapy. Can we, can we talk about showering with kids and I said, I was going to ask you about it. Okay. So go ahead. Spill the beans. Okay. Um, I did ask the, about it on my, um, on baby mama's and I told her the same thing that

I was going to ask you guys about it because I feel like everyone has such a different opinion on it and I don't think it's going to be the same conversation. Um, I was curious to know like if you feel like there is an age where you might shower with like your toddler, your baby when you're getting ready or something, um, and if you, or if you feel like that's like wrong. I've never done it, but I don't feel like it's wrong. I feel like I did it from the time, from the time I brought Jackson home until he was probably four years old.

I allowed him to shower with me and then I think almost until he was right at five, he showered with will, but he stopped showering with me like maybe three and a half, four years old, but an article that I found says the general rule of thumb is by the time children reach school age around five years old, they shouldn't be showering with you. Um, and this was from a licensed psychologist, um, and just said that that's the conventional wisdom and the general cutoff. So, yeah, I agree with that. Um, I feel like I probably showered with my parents like maybe I didn't, I, I don't know.

Maybe I should ask, but that's probably like where I learned it from. And honestly, my sister showered with me when I was in high school. My sister showered with me when she was in like elementary school. So it's not weird. So I, I don't remember ever showering with like Isaac or Lincoln that I can remember. I mean, maybe with Lincoln, just because it was like my second child and like routines and things like that. Um, and then with Lux, like it's just easier.

Now I have four babies or four kids, um, and it's just timing and things like that. Well, um, the conversation came up for me, um, for those of you, you guys who don't listen to baby mamas is one of my kids, dad's had said something to me about why I had Lux and Creed in the bathtub together. Um, and I mean, I already talked about it. So I'll just say it, you know, Chris asked me, why did I do that? And I said, well, I didn't feel like putting Lux in the shower with me, um, for timing purposes. I just, and truly I wanted to shower by myself.

Like I just didn't want to have to like worry about washing, you know, helping him wash, get his hair like washed, conditioned, all of that. I just wanted to shower by myself, um, and there was a little bit of, um, an issue with that. And so I, I just didn't know for me, I don't see anything wrong with it. And I do think that I would be like, by timeline, Lux goes to kindergarten. I, I don't think I need to shower with him. He does a really great job by himself already.

And I think it's only going to get better. So I feel like by the time he hits kindergarten, he'll be showering by himself just like the other boys. So I just don't, um, I don't see anything wrong with it. I was never, it was never, to me as a child, I don't ever, I never like saw my mom naked and thought like anything other than like, Oh, it's a body. You know what I mean? Like it's just like a human body.

So I was curious to see what anyone, I don't, I don't know. I, I felt attacked as a parent. I felt like I was doing something wrong. You know, I didn't know because I know that siblings also can bait, like sometimes bathing siblings together is easier and so I literally was like sweating talking about it because I was like, is this taboo? Like I don't know what this is. Yeah.

I don't think it's weird at all, honestly, and especially with the boys being so close and age to each other and then both being boys, I think that's even more appropriate. And I, I think back like I say old timey days, but it was probably like seventies and eighties. Like I'm pretty sure my grandmother has pictures of like her boys and the bath together. I think it's just something that you do. I don't know. Like timing and everything. Yeah.

Okay. Yeah. I mean, I don't think that there's anything wrong with it, honestly. And um, when I would travel with Jackson, when I was still on the show at the end of the day, because I would consider myself like when I was doing that traveling to Nashville, I was doing that alone. So it was kind of like the closest thing I can relate to being a single mom. The last thing that I wanted to do at the end of the day was like run him a bath, bathe

him, then get in the shower for myself or vice versa. So it was just easier for me just to put him in the shower with me, shower him, put his pajamas on and both of us get in the bed and go to sleep. Right. Yeah. I mean, definitely sometimes it's easier. And then other days I'm like, I just want to shower by myself. Like let me just get so I can shave my legs or do whatever I need to do and not be like

having to take care of a toddler, but um, totally I'm with you on that. So I would be interested to know what like other people think about it. And if, um, the people that think that it's not appropriate or they the same people that don't co-sleep with their kids, because I feel like that might be a thing too. Like if I also co-slept so, um, and then I did too. Another point to this, if anybody who's listening that follows any bloggers or anything, Katie you'll know this girl, Krista Horton, she's actually talked about showering with her kids on Instagram before and she said they basically like all showered together.

Like it's not a big deal. Like it's a big happy family affair and whatever. And she said that even at her age now that it probably wouldn't be weird if she showered with her mom. Like you don't, I don't know. But I definitely think it's like a raising thing. Like it's a different way. I agree.

Like I never, I never did that growing up. So I'm not familiar with it, but I don't think, I don't understand why there would be anything wrong with it. Okay. I just, yeah. I don't. Yeah. Not at all.

I think for me I was, I got kind of pissed off because I was like, if you're sexualizing and objectifying my body to my son, like that's, that's weird. My son is three years old. He's not looking at me in that way. So I want to teach him that, you know, the human body can exist without it being for sexual purposes, you know, it's the same thing as breastfeeding, right? Like some people really feel strongly that, you know, that you should cover up and some people feel like they should be able to breastfeed however they want, whenever they want.

And I don't know. I was just one of those moms and I don't agree or disagree with it the way anyone breastfeeds. But for me, it's like my, my boobs are not for sexual purposes. They're for feeding my baby. And I don't feel like I should have to make myself uncomfortable or hot and sweaty and sticky in the summertime when I'm nursing my child. So I'm going to nurse wherever I feel like it's just, I feel like it's the, you sexualizing and objectifying a woman's body is not my problem.

That's your own problem. That's kind of how I totally agree. I agree. And then glad we're on the same page. We have, we have to talk about this one thing that I had sent Katie, but I think I had also told you this kill and Katie was like naked kissing LL like, what? So I was like, what are you talking about? Okay.

So I have to tell this story. So I have a friend and we were just talking one day about this probably like two weeks ago about her son walking in on his dad and his new, his new wife and he, there's supposedly some type of scene in Spider-Man or something. Maybe it's the wrong superhero. I don't know, but it's like some type of kissing scene. So she said that he had already like seen a kissing scene that was like romantic, whatever. And then his dad, he was at his dad's, his dad puts him to bed, guest goes into his bedroom

immediately and starts humping his wife, I'm assuming. And the little boy gets up and said that he needed to tell his dad that he had to poop so that he didn't get in trouble because he was up. So he walks in on them and they were kissing, but like naked. And so he goes to his mom's the next week and he tells her this story about how he wished that he was naked kissing and she was like, what's naked kissing? Like she didn't know what it was. And he was like explaining to her, she said he got really embarrassed and then he was

explaining to her like what it was. And then finally come to the realization that he had walked in on his dad having sex with his wife, but they were naked kissing. They were on top of each other with their naked bodies and kissing. And so it leads me back to being walked in on and like, would that not be awful? Like to have to take a shit and walk in on your dad, like naked kissing, yeah, it happened to me. Same.

I was a kid. Yeah. When I was little. Can you tell me what happened? So traumatic. Okay. Well, my parents are just idiots and were naked kissing in the middle of the living room on the hardwood floors.

Oh, no, and that's a full blown adult. You're like, oh my God, I wish I could unsee that. And they were not being quiet, y'all. Wait, was it nighttime? It was horrible. Did you know what was on the time? It was nighttime and I just heard the noises and I feel like I did know what was going on and I like slowly opened my door and I just like started crying because I wanted

them to like hear me and I walked in and there they are and my mom's like, oh my God, screaming. Oh my God, and then my mom had to had to have the talk. This is what two people do when they're in love and, you know, I'm just mortified. Like I will never, ever, ever be able to unsee that in my entire life. Oh, well, first of all, Katie, we need you to ask your mom why they were naked kissing on the hardwood floor at nighttime. Right. Well, they were probably looking to spice it up.

Lindsay, leave them alone on the hardwood. On the hardwood. Everyone needs, you know, some adventure. I can't. Okay, I have, I have never walked in on my parents like collectively. So like my mom and her husband, my dad and Julie, like I've never had that experience. So either they were really careful. I, I know they were having sex because there's lots of kids in our family.

So I mean, I know that they were doing that, but just never had that experience. So I can't relate. But Kale, you said that you had that experience, right? I did. You had a walk in. I didn't know what was, yeah, but I didn't know what was going on. And I just thought it was regular and they, I'm in, I'm embarrassed to say that they were literally just like kept going and they were like, just get out.

So I was like, okay. They just kept going. God. Yes. I was like, this is like looking back on it now, I'm like, what the actual fuck. But at the time, like, I didn't know what was going on. I didn't even think anything of it. It was just like, all right, like, I think I needed to, like, can I use, I don't remember

what I asked a question. I don't remember what it was. Like, can I use, I don't know, can I put fucking chocolate syrup in my milk? I don't know. And they were like, yeah, like close the door on your way out. And I was like, okay. See, why is that the thing? Like why do kids do the things that we do?

Like why do you need to walk in and say that you're taking a shit or like that you need chocolate syrup in your milk? Like why, why is that a thing? I don't know. Why are you, maybe because it's like, you get it where you can. And if you think that you have a few minutes and then you don't, like, I don't know. I think we should start a whole segment on here just called naked kissing naked. Yeah, for sure.

Definitely let people tell their stories about, yes, send in their submissions about their naked kissing and your naked kissing. I love it. I love it so much. And you guys, we didn't even get to talk about the Demi Lovato doc and I'm sad. Well, we could talk about it next time. Yeah. We can talk about it next time, but I feel like we need to have Katie on that because

you guys have a lot in common when it comes to your parents. I know that your mom struggles with addiction and Katie's dad also struggles with addiction. So I think that it's something that would be nice to have both of your perspectives on it. So maybe whenever we talk about it, then we can have Katie back on for that little segment. Sounds like a deal to me. Yeah, I'd love that. So for you guys that did not hear the news, I launched a second podcast called the Southern

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