Coffee Convos with Kail Lowry and Lindsie Chrisley - 164: Untold Stories, Parenting Better, and A Cast Vacation

Episode Date: June 10, 2021

This week Lindsie and Kail are joined by Teen Mom 2's Ashley Jones to talk parenthood, reality tv stardom, and some light drama. Ashley tells some untold stories about her journey before going on TV and her struggles with family relationships after becoming pregnant. And Lindsie and Kail are always talking about how they are learning new ways of parenting and Ashley agrees that some of the old tactics just don't work these days. Plus Kail has a fun proposition that would bring the entire Teen Mom 2 cast together outside of the reunion episodes. This episode was sponsored by: HVMN, BetterHelp,  Nuts.com, & Pura Vida Have a question you want answered? Want to give Kail and Lindsie a call? Leave them a message at ?(609)-316-0060?. Music by Nathaniel Wyvern. Licensed under Creative Commons: By Attribution 4.0 License.

All right, you guys, this is Kale and we're having Coffee Combos podcast here from Slow. San Luis Obispo. Is it Louis or Lewis? Luis. Luis. Pismo Beach. No one does all that. Pismo Beach, y'all.

Everyone keeps calling it Slow and we're just like, it feels so weird to be like, hey, we're in Slow. I've been here my whole life and people don't call it that. They don't call it that? What do they call it? Pismo. It's Pismo Beach. Even though there's San Luis Obispo and Pismo are like not the same, Pismo is like the

general area. So when you say San Luis, people usually are like, but if you say I'm going to Pismo Beach, people know that you ride in the dunes, you're doing, people associate things with Pismo. So people, I've never heard, I'd be like, S-L-O, bitch, where's that? Did we even announce that we were having Ashley on it? Okay. No, we're keeping all of that. Surprise.

We have a guest for you. We have Ashley from Teen Mom 2 and we're so excited to have you and we hope that you guys love this episode. We've actually been talking here for like a whole hour already. Yeah. Just not a recorded hour. The tea was hot. Not for work.

Not safe for work in NSFW. Right. NSFW. What? It's like where people send like nudes or whatever and they're like NSFW underneath it. Like not safe for work. Like people used to do that on Snapchat.

Did you never hear about that? No, ma'am. It's like don't open it because it's like not safe for work. No. The conversation was not safe for work. This episode probably won't be safe for work either. So, okay. So catch us up.

I'm not on, so this will air Thursday. I was not on Tuesday's episode. Like what's going on with you in bar? How is that all going? Like where are you at? Do you want like coordinates? I don't know. Yes, coordinate.

I want to know exactly where you're at. Coordinates. You know what? People don't understand bar and I, but bar and I have been homeless together. We've been through so much together that we're just trying to make it fucking work. Okay. Like for sure. We both grew up without biological fathers.

And so like, I think that's why even though we go through so much crazy shit, we push to give our daughter something better because we both, I mean, we're trying not to do that. And so that's where we are. I mean, figuring it out day by day because we don't have no idea what we're fucking doing. Yeah. Well, we saw that you got engaged on the show. That's so exciting.

It's a time. It's a charm. Wait, y'all have been engaged three times? Yes. Wait, what? Okay. Wait, I've got a couple of questions. So back up for a second.

You and bar have been homeless together. Yeah. Can you have you shared any of that? I have not. I don't think people know. When I got pregnant, we were living in a trap house. There was no running water. There was no electricity.

I literally have children. Yeah. I mean, he was doing his best entrepreneurial things to keep us, you know, going. But I just had to tell my mom, like, mom, there's, I couldn't even warm up food. Like there, there was nothing, you know what I'm saying? And she was like, you know, you guys come on back. But there was a point where bar and I were at our lowest low sleeping, you know, in the cold together because we didn't even have heat.

And so we were together trying to get the body heat going between us. And that's what kept us going. And no one knows about that. You know, so that's why we have something so deep is because when I couldn't do it, when I was pregnant, he was doing it. He was taking me to school and still making it work. And we didn't even have a roof over our heads and he looks like go to school. You're going to go.

You're going to be who you want to be, even if I have to sacrifice me to make it work for you. Well, yeah. I mean, struggle now so that you don't have to later, right? Like that's. And I think that that's the part that's missing from Teen Mom is like, I think right now the show's been going on for so long, longer than any of us ever expected. I wish that they put more emphasis on our lives before the show because it would explain

a lot of who we are today. And I don't think that they, yeah, they filmed, you know, I met my sister and my dad when I was 17 and 18 years old, right? So like they have nobody knows what I went through before that and same for you. Like they don't focus on that and I wish that they would because it would give people something. Yes. And something to resonate with.

And I didn't know that about you. So I definitely think that they should focus on these things because that is so relatable. And I feel like that explains so much about your relationship when you see it today, that there is like an undeniable connection with you guys because you have been through like the dark parts of life together. I mean, people don't know that when I was stripping, I felt so bad about myself. Like I felt like this is where you are. You know, I come from, you know, my grandfather was a psychology professor.

My grandma was the first black woman to work in major league sports. So they are very well black, pro education, pro, you know, and me stripping, oh my God, with the hood rat from the hood, oh my God. My grandparents literally were like, we're never, I mean, we're out of our will. I mean, good luck, bitch. You know what I'm saying? For real. And so when I was stripping, I wasn't talking to any of my family.

We were in Vegas with his mom and things were going crazy and it was bar that kept me like, you know, you're somebody. And if you want to fucking quit and you want to do, you know, it was him that was there. And that was the darkest time of my life. And so just because people see things about bar doesn't mean that I have to put him in the disposal. You know? Yeah.

I mean, we've been through the fucking wringer, dude. We've been through the fucking wringer. And I feel like when you also have a child with someone that there is an undeniable like bond with that person, whether you want to have it or whether you don't, you're connected to that person for life. It's not 18 years. You know, it's not life. All right, guys, we're going to take a quick break to talk about one of our newest partners

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on it and it's like all of these people that are watching the show or watching your social media want you to do something and if you're not going to do it then they they don't understand it but it's it's not for anyone else to understand at the end of the day they're not fucking you feeding you financing you and you're really doing your best like I just I can't understand the I don't know if I think if they focused more on the the why and the when and how like all along they would have a lot of content to fucking film. I think that's true and also on the other hand of that I think that you know people are very opinionated about our lives and what we do but if I put a camera in your room 24 hours

a day when you were your youngest trying to figure it out having a baby you know what I'm saying with no support kill you had no support I watched you had no support okay and then you have the world judging how you do this with no support I mean fuck off if you put a camera in their life in their room I mean God what would we see the problem is that they say oh it comes with the territory but I don't think any of us sorry bleep that you're just a no we don't have to bleep nothing me being a celebrity or whatever you want to call it has nothing to do with you coming at me like I'm less than or not a human right now if I come to your page I goddamn bitch your fat your baby's at least fuck you gonna

be like oh it's the territory you posted a picture of your ugly ass baby daddy so it gave me permission not the ugly baby daddy ugly baby daddy damn people really be saying my baby daddy's got ugly baby mom like people say that girl you got a fat ass I know why she got them kids I'm the ugly baby mom it's fine okay Ashley so moving on from kills chunky heini um fanny whatever you want to call it so moving on from that can you catch us up from when you left young and pregnant to being on teen mom too because that's the last time last time we had you on the podcast you were still on young and pregnant yes so basically I don't know what the fuck is it still a show or you don't know it is okay and I'm pretty

sure it's coming back okay but it just took them like forever to like do whatever they were gonna do with that right and I think the young and pregnant ended off with me dating this other guy you know I'm saying me and bar we're not together I was living with my mom and so that's like completely not where I am anymore but it's people don't understand it's been a year TV time seems quicker but it's been like a year and a half right since you've last seen me so I would hope that I'm not in the same place right but for the slow people out there it's been a year and a half bar and I have gotten back together oh my god and we're doing okay yeah your ring is on your finger and like I was saying earlier

like you really ride or die for him like I think people expected her to call off the engagement because of shit that was going on like what the hell you fucking ride or die I mean listen here's the thing I might not deal with bar the way that people want me to or how you think or maybe you don't see it but that's my man so if I the respectful thing to do is to chew his ass out in our bedroom off camera that's the respectful thing to do it's not for me to get on Instagram and to give a fucking show to people who are gonna log in while the show is going and then they don't give a fuck once it's over you know what I'm saying they're just here for the tea and they're just here to carry the

tea so I mean because I feel like last time we had you on bar came with you but I think that y'all might not have been together but he was there supporting you he was there supporting you and y'all we're hanging so I don't know I think that says a lot about your relationship with him and we have been since we got together we have haven't been apart for more than like a week and that's a serious amount of time wow so you leave young and pregnant you're now on teen mom to tell us about the transition what it looked like how you felt when they told you that you were gonna be on teen mom to and all of like the emotions that were involved in that because this is like a girl gang you know yeah I was nervous you were

nervous I was nervous wait can I just say one thing so they had randomly like on a shoot that I was filming they were like we're just gonna have you like talk about like do a quick diary cam about like Ashley moving to teen mom to and I was like wait they did they announce that like they decide like what's and I didn't it really didn't feel genuine to me so I did not do the diary cam but I said they were like okay well then can you FaceTime her and I was like well that also doesn't really feel genuine I said but if you know I'll fly out there like I was like I'll come I'll do it like a California trip I'll do whatever I can get work done out here I'll go meet up with her that feels natural

to me because I feel like we don't really FaceTime yeah so I but I was all for it like I never I will say I had like a little bit of a thing with Jade that's not how it all went down you can get back to the jade thing in a second but that's not how it all went down we said when we found out how it all went down you said that you weren't gonna film the diary cam because prior to that there was rumor that Ashley was gonna come on and we asked if we could cover it the same way we covered Jade so I said if I asked you're right I asked like is Ashley if Ashley is coming on like can we interview her for coffee combos and like that can be the announcement because I know if I asked you I think you would have

came on it would have been like an organic and natural transition instead of feeling like get on a diary cam when you're just now telling me but you guys couldn't confirm the rumors to us before like I like Ashley I don't have I don't have any problems with Ashley like make it organic and real and like crossover and like do something fun not something fucking weird and then they stop pressing me for it but I will say like I wasn't too thrilled about Jade coming on at first because of the way that they went about telling us right it wasn't necessarily her it was just the way that they go about things was it's very weird and not natural and then I think it also goes back to what's been said before when you know

originally I guess the first girl to leave the franchise was fair right and there's like another girl that's going to come in on that I almost threw up are you okay Ashley I almost I just so I'm a through it is actually okay you guys Ashley is just was like it was hiding in my throat I didn't know I'm sorry I'm so sorry then to keep going so Ashley almost threw up on my floor and then so back to the story fair was the first girl that left the franchise I guess and then they replaced her and I think that that's where emotions like started getting high there's territory in with girls you know like girls are just very territorial and bring someone new on that hasn't gone the journey with you and gone

the mile it makes it really weird and then I think also the thing went back with Jade was that she was in a different life phase then a lot of the other girls on the show like the original girls of teen mom too so the age gap was a little weird and I think that it can correct me if I'm wrong that there was a worry that it wouldn't be like a seamless fit because she was in a different life phase than the other girls I can agree with all of that and I also feel like we don't ever want to feel replaceable and it almost was like we feel replaceable you know like cycle them in cycle them out right and so I actually and I actually want to clarify something else before we like move on but you know Chelsea

deciding to leave the show and having you come on I also feel like where it didn't feel like someone was forced out to have you on so like I also liked that she chose to leave and then they asked you like do you feel comfortable moving so that all felt good to me I just wish that they didn't feel so secretive because like I said if we do crossovers or like show up on Jersey Shore you know filming shoots like random shit like that and like you do power in numbers right like I just think it makes sense and I wish that they would be more transparent so that we can all be on the same page at the same time alright let's take a break really quick I want to talk about better help if there's something interfering

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us one day what's the script of our podcast or whatever like what are the topics that we were going to talk about actually was today I'm going to lie it was this morning as I'm sitting here lying and kill was like there's no script just like this is just like off the cuff we just talk about stuff so whatever comes up at the moment comes up at the moment and it's not going to be a forced conversation I can attest to that I have not green lighted any questions or any topics actually got a mango white claw and a mango white claw so I'm a little I'm a little testy I love it so much so you you come on to team mom to tell us the emotions behind all of that yes I was nervous initially because not that I really cared about jade and Brianna um but

keep it 100 no I'm just keeping 100 you and Leah have been here for years okay so I was concerned that again you guys were gonna feel like you guys keep bringing in these girls who haven't been really here as long as we have and given what we have given and making us feel like we're replaceable so that's why when I did all that around Chelsea if you notice I said I'm not replacing her right she's can't she can't be replaced 12 years I mean what the fuck you know what I'm saying I'm just here I'm just happy to be a part because I've been watching you since before I was having sex so you know it's a star struck aspect and it's like I don't want to come in feeling like I'm running shit I'm just happy to be here and I don't want to say I'm replacing Chelsea right

Chelsea's just chose to move on yeah there wasn't a replacement I think that that's what a lot of people have missed you know that the girl wasn't replaced it was just there was another spot on the show that is now available so it's a new story yeah yeah she chose to move on right and so I'm here but I didn't want to go about saying I'm replacing her you know because that assinuates that she's replaceable right and I feel like the show you guys have built it up for all these years and it wouldn't be what it would be if you guys haven't given what you've given over all these years so for me to come in and be like I'm a replacement this is not the baggles club babe right okay we're here for longer than a summer and um let's put the name right yeah but yeah I was

concerned and um also with me not being able to be fully transparent about the move until you know it's announced I felt like I was kind of lying to people and it put me in it well I asked you I flat out wait didn't I ask you to and I feel like Ashley like she didn't confirm or deny no yeah I didn't confirm or deny I think I just like Joyce and said you hard so something like I'm pretty sure she just liked the comment oh I can't confirm or deny yes but I understood I just went again like I just wish that we could have all been on the same page at the same time because when we can get together and like talk about things like people love a good fucking crossover why are we not doing that like make it organic make it real let's have fun let's get the kids together let's talk about

what it's going to be like for you to join team mom too let's me and Leah get together and have you come over to the east coast and you know do shit you know what I mean I just think that that would be so much more fun I think people it would be cool for people to see us interact in more than just like one scene or a reunion you know what I mean and I also feel like you made a good point before we started recording I wish it was recorded initially when you said if you know we worked at Target for example everybody's not going to necessarily hang out outside of work and I think that's a very good point when you have what is it called like a collective cast or like an ensemble cast that you live in completely different parts of the United States you're not hanging out with each

other on you know every Friday night and you're seeing each other like one time a year but still you're going to gel and click with some girls and you're not going to with others and that doesn't mean that there has to be contention that doesn't mean that you have to hate each other that there's like this bad blood that it doesn't have to be all of that we just don't vibe yeah that's I mean that's the thing people just don't vibe but that's okay and I will say on this last reunion that we filmed I was feeling pressure to say like I that I would sit on the couch with Brianna and it's like I don't have beef with her like I don't care it's water under the bridge at this point but I still don't want to be in your presence like I can wish you the best of luck and genuinely mean that but

not want to be around you like I don't and that's a boundary like it's a boundary that I'm setting and I don't that's not something that I would be interested in but I hope that you guys have a great life I hope that y'all are all eating just not here at my table that's it so we can move on and I don't think there's anything wrong with that I mean if you just look at your life in general like were you friends with everybody in elementary school no were you friends with everybody in middle school no were you friends with everybody in high school college no like no and that's okay you don't have to like everybody I'm sure MTV when they decided to put Teen Mom 2 together or 16 and pregnant they didn't go to each individual girl and say hey do you think

you're gonna get along with her like that's not that's not how I don't think that anyone knew what this was gonna be but now that we have kind of established like Leah is one of my one of my closest friends now like I would love to like go on a vacation with like you Leah you like Lindsay and them to film it and so like it's just like so much that I feel like they could get without like forcing it down I say that's the future we just should be like hey we're gonna go on vacation Lindsay Ashley me Leah whoever else from any other show or our bad moms club because now there is a relationship like you and I I feel like you have been I don't know what the fuck people's problem is with you you've always been cool you've always been cool with me you know what I'm saying

people's like oh you're cool with Cal yeah Cal's all the fucking coolest shit you know what I'm saying so I feel like there is opportunity for us to like get together Jen I'm like um what's the word I'm looking for naturally you know what I'm saying without it feeling like like a genuine react like a genuine show a genuine conversation but it absolutely doesn't have to be every you don't have to get along with everybody and I mean that's just the fact I mean we need to be able to get along enough to make this motherfucking check okay and then once the check is signed in cash I mean that's it bitch go home and do what you're gonna do but as long as the check says our names I mean I don't say that problem I can't I can't I can't avoid my last check

because I'm just causing all kinds of shit and I don't even think it's an intentional thing you know it's a um this is part of y'all's lives and the podcast is something that we do that we've done since 2017 and there's really never been an issue until whatever today I guess like I don't know but I think that um we're gonna maybe go and ride what do they call them go-karts girl lindsey babe Ashley's gonna be slinging sand on us tomorrow because we're gonna try to go ride ATVs with her are you down I'm down so wait Ashley tell us so you filmed your first season with team mom what was that like compared to young and pregnant and is your story covered similarly I said yes um I was concerned in the aspect of like you guys have you guys being so established

in me still kind of figuring it out figuring it out yeah I didn't want to be by default the the messiest one on the show just because you know I'm still getting it together and I was very concerned about that you know but honestly I feel like I mean we all might have different things but none of us have it together I mean I got three baby dads baby girl I am still figuring it out yeah and listen for those who say oh you got the baby bitch your mama had six okay your mama had six so let's six or sex let's not just six and sex okay that's another shirt let's not let's not go there that's a new brand actually six and sex go there okay because you know honestly we're all just doing the best we can with the fuck yeah I mean when I got pregnant there wasn't a guarantee

that I was gonna be on MTV like I said I was I was in a house with no running water and no heat okay so I mean I was just like well do I keep this baby yeah or do I try to get my life together did you did you struggle with deciding absolutely okay because I also did absolutely because I was on my phone from a family who's like looking at me like listen you're gonna be done we're done with you if you do this and then there's me and I'm looking at bar like he's not what you think you guys haven't even given a chance because we're from different lifestyles doesn't mean you have to write him out you know you just have to give him more support and my not my mom so much like my grandparents they were not fucking having it so there was a time when I was like am I doing the

right thing I'm sacrificing everything for you know this and you know thank god it worked out but I certainly didn't have a guaranteed MTV check when I got pregnant you know I'm saying like I know what the fuck I was gonna do I got the MTV call when I was at Denny spending my last five dollars to eat a fucking omelet okay whatever Denny's special was at the time that's the fuck I was having so do you have a relationship with your grandparents now it's three building it is I think it took it took me to get in school get my associates to show them that I'm not I'm serious about my life and I'm not shitting on all the work that they have done I'm gonna be honest they put me in private school as private lessons private everything so they spend a lot of money to kind

of make sure I didn't come on with someone like Barr and so they were expecting me to come with a doctor and um I think it took me showing them that I'm serious about my life and gonna be moving up as opposed to like in the gutter for them to support my decisions okay well that's I mean I'm glad that you're rebuilding because that's hard can you walk us through or have you ever covered on either show that you've been on your backstory on making the decision to keep Holly or not have you ever covered that you want to talk to us about it I said it I did say it I don't know if they aired it but I did say it it was a genuine you know I was young and plus I was a stripper okay so I was a partier let's be transparent here you know so having a baby meant that everything I was doing

had to change so you were stripping when you got pregnant with Holly no I was stripping in Vegas about six months before I ever got pregnant okay but my lifestyle was just I didn't have a responsibility I didn't need to be I didn't have a single bill of my parents they also paid my bills you know I'm saying and I I didn't have anyone to answer to right so me having a kid meant you know all that's over right all of that need help you're gonna be around the family you want them to be in your daughter's life absolutely so you have to change and make and so I had to determine like you know am I woman enough to to woman up and to do this because I don't want to have a kid and be like here mom I'm out like every grand kid you know and so that's why I'm so on

my daughter because I am a young parent and I am a black parent people also think you know black moms and young moms are fucking ratchet but my kid is it so you know what that's that's the that's the gold ticket right the gold ticket is that I put all the effort I have into my kid so your your family was paying your bills and stuff all the way up until you got pregnant with Holly and then at that point they basically um not only emotionally cut you off but financially cut you off yeah because you made the decision that you made to keep her or because you were pregnant I think it was because I was with this guy who they deemed to be less than not only was I with this guy but now I had his baby and so everything that they dreamt for me they saw stop it they

didn't see me having her and still getting my degree and still pushing you know they saw that as like well damn bitch can I get a refund and all the private fucking lesson your dumb ass got because they clearly didn't work right you know so I feel like that's where they were coming from and so I feel like it was I'm gonna be honest it was a lot of my decisions that made them feel like okay we can't support this you know right I was stripping I was running behind the sky they didn't deem worthy I wasn't answering I wasn't coming home answering calls I was completely irresponsible and because of that they were like they were kind of felt like their hands were tied exactly and as I mean I'm not saying it's right or wrong because that's not for me to decide but as a parent I could understand

why they felt that way because I mean I feel that way now with I mean Isaac's 11 but some of the choices that he makes now I'm just like I don't understand so no I wouldn't cut him off but like you get what you get what I mean and when Holly gets to be older you're gonna understand too Isaac went to Vegas and started stripping string and slong and thunder down sling and slong I don't know if you would want to pay I mean you know but I definitely feel like they they didn't know what to do then the TV aspect came in and they're very much like if there's drama going on it's gonna go on behind the doors not in front and so once that happened they really were like okay how did they feel when you were like I'm gonna go on Teen Mom too I stopped talking to my grandparents

for just probably up until this year oh wow so now you're just you're rebuilding now yeah and I'm just we're in a state where it's like I don't really speak to them but I do get flowers dropped off and I do get edible arrangements dropped off and I do call and you know I just try to make an effort to show them and I do appreciate everything they done for me like I don't take that for granted and I'm trying to give my daughter an inkling of it you know what I'm saying and so we're just now in that space but it was a long time where they were I don't think they deemed me worthy of their time or affection or I don't know what do you think it took for them to come back around or was it a mutual thing was it also you it was also me I think I had to grow up and understand like

they were looking at me like what the fuck are you doing you know and I had to put myself in their shoes and say okay that was my daughter and she brought home this questionable guy you know what I'm saying then she got pregnant and then she she's stripping you know all this stuff that we haven't seen of her so I feel like I it took me to put myself in their shoes to understand where they were coming from sure and I had to issue an apology like you know I wasn't mature enough to understand their perspective how things were going on about me and I was so caught up in whatever I was got going on but I didn't care you know what I'm saying and it took me to have a kid to really say okay I understand where you guys are coming from yeah I might not do it

that way right but I get it yep actually my grandparents were very well to do my mom most people don't know that they wrote me out of the will and did all of that prior to me getting on 16 and pregnant and then they never knew that I was on 16 and pregnant but I never was able to like rebuild that relationship and so I'm glad that you are having that chance to do that you know what I mean because I feel like you don't want my grandparents died thinking that I was like problem child like all of these things so if you have the time to like rebuild definitely put the effort into it yeah I'm trying and I think I think also too we're all moms so we have dreams for our children absolutely you can't say as a mom that you don't have dreams for each

of your kids right and I think sometimes a lot of when people get in hard situations with their kids that the emotional reaction is to maybe to shut them out because they think that it's going to give them what they want or it's going to maybe change the child's mind because you're being rejected but I don't really agree with that approach but you also as a parent can't say what you would do until you're in that situation right so it's easy to say oh well I wouldn't do that but I also haven't been there right that's a good point that's actually a really good point I think about that now I but I will say that I think all of us have been through so much in our lifetime now that we're gonna have our grandparents were raised very differently than us and they

raised their they raised our parents very differently than we're being raised so I think that we will be able to love our kids through it more than shutting them out so I'm not saying it's right or wrong it was just very different to generational you like different timing different parenting styles I mean now you think of like gentle parenting parenting with understanding parenting that is just very different but before it was kids are seen and not hurt especially exactly exactly you don't have an opinion you're a kid yep so I think now I'm very into what my kid has to say because I don't want her to feel like she can come to me and say hey mom yep this is a safe spot for you a safe space for you to come to me strict parents like that make sneaky kids because

I couldn't connect like that I did strict I didn't tell anybody I didn't come home I did see these people I was doing all because I couldn't tell you right right and I couldn't be myself a hundred percent I had two separate world when they collided my parents couldn't understand right yeah no I that's something that I'm struggling with now as Isaac is getting older he's 11 and a half and I know that it's dumb shit but like he'll I don't know maybe like sneak a snack upstairs right like dumb shit you don't have to be sneaky around me I want to create this like I'm very understanding as long as you clean up your mess like I don't care if you wouldn't eat in your room I feel like that's fine like that's just me how I feel but I don't you

don't need to sneak like be open let's communicate let's talk about it let's have a safe space so that you don't have to lie to me because I never want my child to be in a situation where they could get in so much trouble or something happened and they can't come to me and now they're lying to me about it or I don't I can't have your back if I don't know the truth you know what I mean so I want to create that space for my kids and that's not something that I had growing up so you know I mean he doesn't eat in his room usually but that was the only excuse that's the only example I have but you get what I mean yeah my dad my biological dad has never really been consistent but I can say the one thing about him is he's very much so like listen if you're gonna

smoke weed I want you to know the good weed and I want you to know where to get the good weed I'm probably doing at home yeah and I want you to know how to smoke weed and don't smoke anyone's weed that you didn't see you know what I'm saying like right he was that kind of brand because you're gonna do it it's just about how much I know right and I would rather be in your business than to show you out and pretend like you're not doing any of it and then you're fucked up you know my dad was like if you ever get too drunk I remember the first time I ever got drunk I was in a house full of fucking guys oh my god me and my girls I took my car I wasn't I didn't have a license I had a permit okay drove it all the way you took a car with a permit well my dad

bought me a car when I was 16 and I had a permit and so yeah girl got my home girls we went to this party first time I ever did beer pong and we did beer pong with beer tequila Hennessy I mean all of it all of it and so I was all fucked up okay and I was just so rough to call my dad and be like and he did and in front of an a house full of guys my dad came and got me and I didn't get in trouble he was like you know what I'm very happy that you called me in that moment and that you felt safe enough to call me because because you could have gotten in the car and or drove it or driven or drove got killed so my him and my grandpa came and got me and they were like yeah your punishment is having a hangover ride it out now you got yeah natural

consequences in the beginning when I first became a mom I I felt like I would like yell or like grounding take things away you know what I mean I mean even now up until I learned about natural consequences like you don't want to wear a jacket outside be cold be cold if you get sick you get sick but 100% the drunk thing is such an important like I want my kids to call me if they're ever in a predicament where they did something they shouldn't because we all fuck up every last one of us still we fuck up even as adults as mama for I fuck up and the other thing is apologizing to your kids that's something that I feel like as a mom like I'm learning to do like if I snap on my kids because there's just like a lot going on I'll be like I'm sorry I shouldn't have done that and

explain to them I'm sorry this is why and I'll try not to do it again you know what I mean yeah that's how I think that's how you keep it open you know if you don't ever explain to your kid that you you have faults too you know what I'm saying then they don't they don't understand you know they don't understand that mom has paid all these bills today she's that with all these things today and she just is fucking tired okay they don't get that so when you snap with them they're like oh shit she's tripping and then when you come back and you're like listen I have a lot going on baby it's not you they can't understand they don't internalize that anger right they can understand that there's something else at play here and they they don't you know they go off but when you make

them feel like it's them then they do internalize it you have to say sorry to your kids I always say that it's best when um if you're in a relationship and your kids see you they can't always see you happy in that relationship because it's setting them up for unrealistic expectations and I had a friend growing up that never knew that like her parents had any problems like they never argued in front of the kids nothing and not that I'm advocating for arguing in front of your kids and having toxic relationships but I also feel like there are certain things that are okay and healthy to have disagreements in front of your children because they see that everything's not just like sunshine and rainbows all the time yeah so summer's almost here and if your wardrobe's

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kids we're talking about saying sorry to your kids fuck I don't know I that's other shit that I wish they would film about on on tv not that I ever want to yell at my kids on tv but like I have been working so hard in therapy and like truly I follow all these accounts like parenting with understanding high impact club like all of that stuff is like I wish they focused on that too because as young parents especially being on a show like this we are not just like flying by the seat of our pants you know like we're it's it's learning and it's I want to do better right like I just want to parent my kids better than I was parented I still can't remember what I was gonna say but that was that I feel like as a viewer though not being on the show as strictly as a

viewer I've seen that in you you have you kill I watched you since the beginning babe well shit you don't deserve sunlight I mean what the fuck do you mean I deserve to live in a cave okay I saw it and and and so you have given I mean you've given your boys more than come on I I have I've seen I feel the growth I do it might be small it's small changes small progress and but I feel it and so it sucks that like people think that I'm supposed because I'm in therapy and I I talk about mental health and I talk about therapy all the time I'm never supposed to fuck up again no that's not the way it works I have 18 months under my belt of therapy to undo 28 fucking years of trauma so I'm going to still fuck up but it's how I bounce back from them

it's not lashing out it's not trying to fight anyone it's not me you know cussing people out it's not me you know there's there are ways to make progress but still I mean like it's how I bounce back and I think that's why when I earlier in the in this episode when I talked about like the boundary and like not being around Brianna is like again like there's no beef I just don't want to be around you and that's a boundary that is something that I do not want to set myself up for unpredictability I can control myself and I can control my actions I can't control somebody else's so I do not want to put myself in a situation where I could potentially do something to get me get myself out of character and I don't I don't want to do it so I definitely will say that

but that's growth and it takes you to know that yeah people think because my mom's a pastor I'm not going to cuss you the fuck out and pray tomorrow bitch yes I will tomorrow yes I will okay you heard Brianna pastor don't got shit to do with me but people don't people don't see you know um the correlation they don't see the growth they don't you're in therapy bitch you should be a changed woman it only takes one session kale now you better figure it out okay I mean you're 20 however long years of living life before you did therapy doesn't matter because you're in therapy now and you should change and I feel like when you go to therapy too that it's a continuation right like you're not fixed over one therapy session and for me personally I know for you too

that you start to look forward to therapy and we've actually talked about having is it an unhealthy relationship with therapy that you feel like dependent on it almost um well you have to give yourself time to learn how to implement the tools you learn you know what I'm saying you also have to be committed so like I've said it a million times on both of my podcasts is like there are people who go to therapy and say that they go to therapy but there are people who go to therapy and are committed to the work I do not like sitting in therapy and telling my therapist every fucking thing that I do and one being embarrassed about some of the things that I do and say and two some of the feedback that she gives me it fucking sucks but I cannot stand I go to

therapy ass motherfucker and is not truly using the tools right like I can't get behind it I have to do you have to be serious and you have to you have to be ready to try to implement those things that you learn like for me I did some therapy and I'm I'm I did some therapy ass bitch yes I am I did some therapy okay and but I learned something from that you know I used to if you watch me I get pregnant girl oh my god I'd be like bitch did you really say oh I've seen some questionable shit um but now I don't I don't yeah and that's because in therapy I learned everything that you think you don't have to sing it took me a second to understand even if it's true you don't have to say it right yep yep what is it don't have anything nice to say don't say anything at all

yeah yeah she told me to say what I want to say what I have to say sorry and then you're praying on Sunday I'm praying on Sunday because you know one thing about it I'm not god babe I'm gonna try to be like but I'm not him so yes I will fuck you up and you know what the bible also says I can pray about it that's the beauty of it I'm not the Lord I'm not perfect so if you come at me and I come at you understand you're not dealing with Jesus bitch okay you're dealing with Ashley and I gotta go talk to Jesus about how to talk to you oh my god you're gonna get my real reaction first then once the Holy Spirit touches me I might have a different reaction to do this right so wait I'm gonna make no promises you guys where is teen mom even in the season

like I record it but I haven't watched it and like I told you like a year so where where are you guys like finale I think we're on episode four or five I don't know jay just gotta be be a what episode is that I'm not being shady I'm just saying I saw the preview so I don't really want to you because once once you on it I don't want to watch I want to say we're on episode four or five because I just did VO for six and seven okay in your opinion do you think we're gonna get another season um if you hire me as an editor and director prom you know what I'm hopeful I'm hopeful I'm gonna be real I have a relationship both ways I have a contract with MTV I have a relationship with you I want to see everybody's pocketbook skyrocket you know what I'm saying and so

I hope so um but I also feel like we're in a different space than we used to be then I mean like you said teen mom is now something you never could have saw it could be coming and so we might have to make some adjustments to kind of get in with the times now because you know I just think with social media and like real life and kind of being in the public eye for so long I mean even you've been in a couple years now too we talk to other people on other shows like that is a part of the territory right so why in my opinion I feel like we should be doing making more efforts to Lindsay was on Christina's best I feel like we should have she's a huge part of my life she should be on more on teen mom too I think that we should be doing more crossovers with other MTV shows Viacom

shows like all of that and so I we are not teen parents anymore and we have built things outside of the show and so I wish that they would focus on that and all of the stuff would unfold like if we got together to film if this was for MTV how much would actually come out that they could fucking air you know what I mean like it would just naturally come out because it's catching up I think that it's gonna take them a little time to get with the times you're out and I'm gonna say you're out here in these streets girl but you're out here in these streets yeah you know what's going on you know I'm saying versus you being an exec that's really you know out of touch with like what's really going on so I think it's just taking them a second to analyze that we are now in a

different space with social media with everything that there might need to be a little bit more fluidity between everybody in order to kind of I actually to on that point I think that that might be one of the reasons why cable is dying out is because social media is so prevalent yeah taking over everything and it's instant right it's like podcast right you can record it on you can record it on the same day and release it on the same day and with TV it was filmed months and months ago before it ever gets released so it's not really caught up so it's already backdated not even touching the fact of needing to get with the times you know I'm saying I also think that there's no like the amount of money that they spend on like reunions and things that money could go towards us

getting together for promo content nobody's promote like I if we are on Jersey Shore or Jersey Shore people come on our show or we go on messiness or ridiculousness or this that in the third we're all gonna cross promote each other shows power in numbers so and we're not doing any promo for it right like we used to do all kinds of promo shit nobody's doing that anymore why are we not getting Instagram shit reels all like funny shit to promote the show or to most promote scenes that are on the show like it's just like weird to me that we are the quote-unquote talent and we're coming up with these ideas and the networks can't get it together it would be a lot cheaper to do an Instagram reel get together me and you get together and do an Instagram reel for the new

teen mom episode and like quote like old-ass lines from the show or something and do like funny shit to promote the show then it is to put a fucking TV commercial up yeah like I don't understand I it's not that hard to figure out I think though that what you're saying is true and I think that we can make that happen if we just take the reins you know what I'm saying like like you said we're not teens anymore I'm not living in a trap house okay I got some coin to change bitch and um I can fly to you you can fly to me I know you it's not like I don't know you I have to meet you you know what I'm saying like and I feel like there is but there is potential for them to get more because you and me talking would be more than you give me a diary cam anyways because we're just buying it

you know what I'm saying and it just comes off just so much more easy and so I think that that needs to be the way that we're I think TV in general um when they have um basically like a platform of how they want to do the show that they I don't know if it's more of like a scared thing that they don't want to break outside of that in fear of what it could do but also you're risking the chance of it not doing anything if you stay stagnant right yeah well I wonder if it's the fear of them glorifying teen pregnancy so that's the that's the only thing that I think of is like okay because we were teen parents but unfortunately I mean let's move on that's how I feel it's like okay we can't be sitting here and you know we yes we were teen parents and we went through it we did

went through but now teen parent was when are they going to acknowledge that we've been on tv for 10 years and this is not being a teen parent is not it like they created this for us why can't we then go on mess messiness ridiculousness jersey sure um whatever other things that they do like it just you know what I mean I don't get it I really don't get it I I I feel like I have so many ideas but I think you're right I think we just do it like Leah is going to meet me down in Dominican Republic and we're just gonna film Emily's gonna come film just like fun stuff and I think it's just doing stuff on our own and doing showing numbers on social media I think I think that one episode of us hanging out would be do better than 12 episodes of us individually crying on the couch

not crying on the couch honestly though I feel like no yes you did yes you did yes you did no but seriously I I mean I just I feel like there's so much that we could do with it and like I don't know I I don't we don't get enough credit for the ideas that we have and I mean I remember I pitched years and years ago I was like why don't why doesn't the teen mom to cast go on vacation they turned around and they put the og cast on vacation and we never like that was my idea and it was oh I mean I want to teach you guys how to bounce your ass but I'm saying I want to put our I was like oh it was my idea to do send the cast on a vacation together see I think that would be so much fun and you would get people's true personalities by doing that because people

let loose on vacation and the drama will come baby drama will come because the alcohol is flowing people don't know how to act when they get on because anybody ever seen real housewives um really any bravo show that's really how they kind of do it is get together and fucking start drama I'd be like are you which is gonna keep having parties for this I I want you to like hand select people for me to like go on a date with oh my god that would be me and Leah because Leah also I think would do it for fun but just like that would be because I need like a very like I have a very specific type in a man and a woman like I need but I would it would be so fucking funny for like you to pick out people for me and Leah like you and Lindsay because y'all also have that would

be so funny it's like hey MTV we're gonna go um we're gonna go out by Ashley and Ashley and Lindsay you're gonna pick out we're gonna we're gonna be the host of this and we are going to hand select we'll have a casting call like a man who's casting call speed speedy and I will be like um yeah I don't think you're gonna work and then Ashley I'm gonna give you a nickname like what's your nickname gonna be hmm little hands you're gonna call you little hands that's gonna be Ashley I don't want to say that Kel we're not gonna we're not gonna be looking at their like no pull it out I need to suck on it no I am not doing no pull it out put it on the table so I can make it a termination right now because we're not doing all of this okay well I'm not

looking at that part I'll tell you goddamn I will I will close my eyes but I'm gonna be like yeah I just don't I'm so sorry honey but I just don't think that you're kill earliest type and then Ashley is gonna tell him to do all that I mean like you can stay because your dick is 12 inches but she literally said that earlier than today oh my god she I won't tell the full story but she was like 12 inch dick so that's so funny everything comes full circle everything comes you can stay because you got 12 inches but babe you might be eliminated because you're ugly I don't I don't know I don't know y'all are gonna have to take the podcast because my phone's blowing up about the podcast right now I'm scared okay we're not even okay so we're gonna play a little game really quick because

I think we played this game before it's not super fun but like it's a little fun all right so are you a Lindsay or you a kale and I'm gonna give you like different scenarios um well like probably things and then you tell me what you are okay so Duncan or Starbucks Starbucks that's a kale um pink or black pink that's a Lindsay um okay I'm trying to think what else can we do sneakers or sandals sneakers that's me that's a kale okay um animal print or like stripes flowers florals things like that animal baby okay that's a me that's for sure me um okay this one is one that we always say is like adventure on vacation or poolside on vacation adventure she's a kale she's a kale cave diving yeah yeah it's a bed I'm a bed at home Lindsay's like I'll be poolside

with my mojito and I'm like there are some vacations for that like if I'm going some vacations I do want a Lindsay some vacations I want to kill depends on where we're going if we're going to like Costa Rica Jamaica I want to go see I want to go out if we're going to Vegas I don't I ain't going out there with the people I don't gonna be right here poolside Vegas I'm poolside like 100% but like Dominican Republic I'm going cave diving there you go like I'm jumping there's certain places for certain things I feel like if we're really traveling traveling girl yes I definitely want to see what it has to offer but if we're going like Vegas Miami yeah I'm probably gonna pool side I don't give a shit to be in the streets oh yeah I don't give a fuck but I so in Costa Rica I

went like on this crazy adventure in the fucking jungle ziplined hiked repelled off a mountain like waterfalls like it was amazing and I am the type to get up at like six in the morning on vacation like in a cool place and then I want to be back at the hotel by like seven to like eat dinner chill out and do adventure the next day but like Vegas Miami even here like catch me poolside I'm probably not gonna go do shit but I would go do ATVs I would do that because that's like chill yeah totally but thank you so much for coming on Lindsay had to step out and take a phone call because we're in trouble uh but I'm let's plan a vacation or some type of get together we'll invite Lindsay bar everyone can come and we'll film Emily can come film everything and then

we'll hand it to MTV and be like here you go that's TV gold maybe they'll want to come I don't know I mean listen they built this show and now you know some of us are friends some of us right really care for each other and I think that's something to show oh rather they then show us on vacation and then show you and Brianna fighting like you said you have an empire you got any like you said we don't need to be doing that the shit will come on its own it will have drama to talk about but let it come up organically you know what I mean yeah so anyway tell us where you can we can find your social media your your podcast anything that you want to share share it um I'm Ashley siren on social media I shoot the shit on a podcast called I need wine podcast it's not

anything serious you know we're drunk half the time so you know we need wine um and yeah if you want to see me cooking I cook on the siren pot yes that's awesome actually we should film a segment of you cooking like we did we did with Devoyne oh I thought me and Devoyne could get together and really make a fucking meal for you guys that would be so we I tried his wings and they were so good I got the mac and cheese and the grains and oh I'm all over the mac and cheese so let's do that I think we should set that up like imagine like a Thanksgiving special oh my god what the fuck tell our bitch let's do it let's go let's go now see but MTV would never so we got to do it on our own Thanksgiving special a Thanksgiving special I I like it I love it we can all meet up in like a

it doesn't have to be on Thanksgiving if you like the day after the day before the week of whatever air it on Thanksgiving or the day after and get a little Airbnb Devoyne and I will go in there and fucking chef it up honestly though table and fucking break bread like could you yes we'll bring the team mom cast together I like it I'm just saying all right well thank you for coming on and sorry Lindsay would not be on this closing out but we love you thank you for listening and we'll see you next time