Coffee Convos with Kail Lowry and Lindsie Chrisley - 180: True Crime Talk: Gabby Petito

Episode Date: September 20, 2021

On this month's true crime bonus episode, Lindsie and Kail discuss the ongoing investigation of missing Gabby Petito. They break down the timeline of current information, social media speculation, and what is known for sure as of Sunday September 19th 2021.  TikTok by mirandabaker_ This episode was sponsored by: Laithwaites, ZocDoc, Upstart, & Gohenry Music by Nathaniel Wyvern. Licensed under Creative Commons: By Attribution 4.0 License. 

Hello. Good afternoon, Lindsay. Good afternoon, and Kale, welcome to Coffee Convos podcast, True Crime. Well, yeah, I really kind of liked, I like that you are welcoming me this time. I need to tell you what just happened to me before we even get into anything else. I was trying to be so productive today, and it's like a really good day, feeling like, okay, I'm going to go and get some new gym shoes from Dix. I'm cleaning my sheets, got a lot of stuff going on. I go to make some eggs and set the carton on the counter. Well, evidently, when I did that, only half the carton was on the counter. So I went to crack the first egg in the pan. And all of a sudden, it was like slow-mo,

the eggs crashing down on the floor. And I posted on my Instagram, but literally a whole carton of eggs. So I apologize for being a couple of minutes late, but I had an egg crisis that I needed to clean up. An egg emergency. Oh my gosh. So what has been going on in your life? Have you been really following this case that we're about to cover obsessively because I have? Yes. So my friend, Bone, she's actually in the other room. We have been like watching TikToks and she showed me a YouTube video of like all the things. And at first, I not that I just wasn't aware. Like I just wasn't, I live under a rock. I don't know. Like I wasn't paying attention. And then we were getting overwhelmed with DMs, not only to our copy

combos Instagram, but to our, like I was on my personal Instagram about covering this for copy combos. So I was talking to Kristen and she was like, you need, you guys have to cover this. So we are going to cover the Gabby Petito case. And what's interesting about this case, particularly is that the information on this is currently unfolding in the media and on social media as we speak. And I feel like social media from the people that I follow and like several of my girlfriends are very obsessed with following this particular case. And it's gotten so much coverage. And I truly do feel like justice needs to be served here in this case. And the way that things have unfolded and it just goes back to the same thing that I've said almost every time that

we talk about, you know, current cases in the media that with technology today, people doing crimes, it's just there couldn't be much thought that goes into it to think that you're going to get away with something. I have this eerie feeling though that she may still be alive. You do see, I don't feel like that at all. But I read a couple of conspiracies and watched a couple of videos on different conspiracies. But I don't believe that she's alive. I'm torn. I'm torn. I totally hear you. I don't know that it's the chances. I think the chances are very slim for her to still be alive. But I get an eerie feeling that something just like very heavy is happening or or went on. Like I don't I know this wasn't an accident kind of thing.

So for those of you who have not followed this case, which probably most of you who are listening have, July 2021, a 22 year old girl from New York set off in a van with her fiance to explore the United States. And after just two months on the road, he returns home to Florida without her, got a lawyer and is refusing to speak to her family or police about her whereabouts. This couple were living in Florida with her family and decided that they were going to just do this van life and document their travels on Instagram and YouTube. It's my understanding that prior to this, she was a nutritionist and I don't know if that was self-proclaimed or if she actually had a degree in nutrition. I know that they both worked at public's

grocery store. And if you guys regularly listen to coffee combos, you know, that is a place that I absolutely love. And then I guess they just maybe saved money and decided to live life off the grid is the understanding that I got. So that's also, I didn't know about the nutrition. That's new to me. There's not a whole lot of information on Brian Laundrie, but we do know that he, he, they actually knew each other. They were friends prior to Gabby moving to Florida. She's from Long Island. She was born March 19th, 1999. And then Brian Laundrie is 24. I didn't get his actual birthday, but he's in Florida and they kind of rekindled a friendship. And I want to say it was around one year after like rekindling or into the relationship, Gabby moves

to Florida. And then shortly thereafter, her dad moves to Florida as well. And in 2018, that's like around the time that they reconnected. They had their first date, 2019, they went for sushi. And like Lindsay said, they both worked at public's. And when I heard that, and I read that, it was like, I instantly thought of Lindsay because I didn't, I didn't know what public's was until I met Lindsay. And they both loved, it seemed as though they both loved kind of reading nature. I know on both of their profiles, if you guys follow, follow their Instagrams, one of them is Gabs Petito. And then I think Brian's is like bizarre something, but they both love like nature, outdoors, like art, yeah, all of those things. And so we pretty much got the

same background information. Brian proposed to Gabby in Georgia. Yes. And over a weekend was like a little weekend trip where they decided to save money and then live, you know, the van life. Yeah. So she did grow up in New York in like a small coastal town and has a brother. And people that were close to her said that she was known for kind of being a free spirit and had a love for traveling. And that even goes back, you know, as far as high school, she, she loved doing that. And as you said, one of her friends had stated that she had rekindled this relationship with Brian because she had known him prior and that happened in 2018. And then over the course of like a year, they established an actual relationship

and began dating around March of 2019. And that's when she relocates and moves to Northport, Florida. Something that kept coming up in everything that I was watching that I found very interesting was that she is a true crime podcast fan. And it was said that she was obsessed with true crime. And people were calling that very eerie, which I don't find to be very eerie. I think that true crime is something that you either love or hate. And there's a lot of lovers of true crime. And I don't think that that connects to the true crime. And I think that that's a very important thing. I don't think that that connects anything to what's going on in my opinion. Yeah, I think in my opinion, like any that could be said about anyone, you know what I mean? I

don't think there's anything eerie about it. Because so many people are interested in true crime and kind of fascinated by it. So I don't feel like that's eerie. And then also something I can't remember where I gathered this information. But so Gabby had had no family in Florida, but her father Joe relocated to Vero Beach, Florida, just about three hours from where she was living in Northport. And that happened in June of 2021. And then they hit the road in July of this year. So I thought that was very strange that he moved three hours to be closer to his daughter. And then all of a sudden, the next month, in the next month, she's out on the road with her fiance living the van life.

Well, okay, so the timeline that I have on their story, I, and I might be wrong, but based on what I looked up, Gabby and Brian leave from New York. They don't leave from Florida. Yeah. So that was actually something else that I wanted to bring up was that she had gone back to New York, I believe in June, to her younger brother's high school graduation. Okay. And she had stayed for a couple of weeks in New York. And I can't help but to like try to read a lot into everything that is being said just because we don't have answers to anything. So I think that that causes people like me who are interested in true crime to read into every

aspect of everything. But if you're going back to your hometown, to your brother's high school graduation, you're grown and you have your own life, I find that to be very odd that she would have stayed several weeks. Maybe because her mom is still there is her mom still there and her dad is only in Florida. But again, to your point earlier is her dad moved there to be closer to her and then she leaves. Correct. So I thought that that was just a little weird. So I'm thinking that maybe a part of that timeline was because she returned to New York for her brother's high school graduation. She remained there for a couple of weeks. Maybe he met her there and then they left from there to start traveling the United States. Yeah. So the timeline starts July 2nd

when Gabby and Brian leave from New York and their first one of their first stops is July 4th. And the posted photo shows Monument Rocks in Kansas. So it took them about two days to get from New York to Kansas. Correct. One thing that I did want to mention was that there's been a lot said about this van life living as a minimalist and how they were inspired by other YouTubers to do this. However, they wanted it to be clear that the ideas of their van renovation and stuff to be able to live out of it was ideas of their own, but they got inspiration from other YouTubers. And something that was just very strange that didn't sit right with me was that in Brian's Instagram bio, he had written, take a hike every day, bug bites are better than being brainwashed by the

media and that he was a nature enthusiast. I don't think there's anything wrong with being a nature enthusiast, but I just found it to be a little weird that that would be what was in your bio about being brainwashed by the media. It almost made me believe and I could be totally wrong, but it made me believe that maybe he might be a little bit of a conspiracy theorist and like a little mentally off. Unwell. Yeah. All right, you guys, we're going to take a quick break to talk about one of our newest partners, Lathweights. We all know that person who brings the best wine to the party, something new and different every time. And we always ask ourselves, how do they do it? A Lathweights wine subscription

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Yeah. And see, I almost felt like as well that he was more into nature because there was this one YouTube video of them that was on their channel that she was talking about how Gabby, who rarely goes outside, um, that made me believe that she kind of was just going along with this life because it was something that he wanted to do. Okay. Like she loved it because he loved it kind of thing. Yes, that's, but, but her mom does say that she has always been like a very spirited, you know, curious person that has explored like, I think in one of the podcasts I listened to was like California, Costa Rica, like she's been places. She's always wanted to like travel, but I guess doesn't, that doesn't always include being outdoors all the time. So maybe that part

of it was new for her and she wanted to love it because he loved it. So that's a good point. And also to that point, um, I think to that a lot of times because she had said that she, um, in that body cam footage of where they were pulled over, that she was inspired to like become this Instagrammer and YouTuber. And it just makes me wonder if she felt like by watching these other people, she, she did have a love for travel. So maybe by watching these other people that live the van life that, um, because they had grown, grown a following in that way, that maybe that was her way to like dive into the business. Okay. If that makes sense. Like, yeah. Okay. It gives her content.

Let's look at some, some dates in the timeline here. Um, so July 2nd, they leave July 4th, they're in Monuments Rocks, which is in Kansas. Um, by July 8th, they're, they have visited Colorado Springs, um, July 10th to 11th. They posted photos from great sand dunes, um, which is also in Colorado. And it looks like from there, July 22nd to 20, sorry, July 21st to 22nd, they post photos from Bryce Canyon, which is in Utah. Um, and that's where they were last seen. Like that's where she was last seen with him. Okay. And Salt Lake City. I misspoke. Sorry. So from, they went July 16th to the 18th, they posted photos from Zion, which I, I saw those photos. And then July 21st to the 22nd, they were posting pictures, um, from Bryce Canyon, which is also

in Utah. Um, the 26th of July, they posted photos from Mystic Hot Springs, which is in Utah. And that was like the, um, the bathtub. It looked like, like, uh, almost like a claw foot tub in the rocks. Um, and then from there was photos posted July 30th and the 31st from Canyon lands. Um, and then August 12th was the domestic incident where the cops were called. Okay. So I, I am very confused about that because the information that I have read in all the TikToks I had seen was basically somebody called the police about this van, I guess. And then the the cops came and there was a domestic, some kind of domestic dispute. Um, and it started outside of like a store or some type of business and they worked their way in the argument from outside

the van to inside the van. Um, and when the cops come and pull them over, he has scratches on him and marks on him and she's crying. Um, I just have so many questions because I, I feel like to argue in the car while you're driving is very, um, concerning, but they, they leave it as more of like a mental health crisis than a domestic violence incident. So okay. The information that I gathered was August 12th. The police were called by, you know, said witness who thought there might be domestic violence going on. Um, as far as the store that you're referencing, it was called moonflower. Um, and that was, um, the play that was the place that one of the women who was a part of that double homicide worked. Um, and so I know there's a lot of conspiracies

going around that, um, possibly he killed these women. However, um, that couple was shot to death and one of them worked at that moon flower place and that was the same place where Gabby and Brian had gotten into an argument which resulted in the police being called, but there has been no other connection to that double homicide. Um, the only thing that people thought was odd about that was that one day this like happened one day before these women went missing. So I think that that's why people are trying to connect that, but I haven't heard anything about him having a gun, um, any type of gun being found. And in fact, it's been said that police have ruled out any type of connection for that. So I just wanted to bring up that it was moonflower and on that August 12th,

um, pull over whatever you want to call it. Supposedly they were arguing over a phone. And that kind of goes back to the minimalist lifestyle that he wanted to live. Um, the best word that I can use to describe him from what I've gathered is kind of crunchy. He has a phone, but he basically only uses it, um, when he has to. The only thing that I found a little bit weird was that he did have Instagram. Um, if you're kind of living life supposedly off the grid, um, and you, you don't like phones and you don't like, you know, modern technology, anything like that, but yet you have an Instagram that's just odd to me. Um, but they were driving crazy across this double yellow line, hit the curb and stopped. So in my mind, I'm thinking

she starts freaking out when she sees the blue lights to pull over and she freaks out on him, pull, grabs the steering wheel and that might cause them to start veering into the other lane and then hit the curb whenever they try to, you know, um, correct. And then pull over and then he has scratches on him. So I don't understand how that was not considered domestic violence, although it could have very well have been, um, a mental health crisis. I still feel like because he had visible marks that it was a domestic incident. Do they both have phones or are they sharing a phone? So that has been unclear to me. I believe he does have a phone, but, um, regularly doesn't use it

was what I kind of gathered or assumed. Okay. Or maybe she's posting for like, maybe they're posting for each other or whatever, like minimal use of the phone. Um, because I know that she was reaching out to her mom, um, FaceTiming at least three times a week and then, um, like would let her know if she went into an area without service. Um, but when I checked his Instagram, it looked like he was posting pretty regularly. Um, and I don't know if that was like part of them trying to get into, you know, blogger type of lifestyle. Um, but both of their Instagrams are really pretty. They have really pretty photos, like really pretty aesthetic. Um, so I just have so many questions. I know that there was one, um, post or several posts about, um, Gabby hiking barefoot because

that's what Brian wanted to do. Um, and I thought that was interesting. I didn't find anything weird about it. I didn't think it was totally insane or anything like that. I didn't even find it unstable. Really. If he was interested in living like a very minimalistic, you know, nature based lifestyle, I think that's kind of cool. Um, I don't think it's weird. Um, well, even Leah Messer from teen mom, I think that she believes in like grounding and stuff and like being with the earth. And so maybe that is just something. I mean, I do believe that that could be real, you know, like connecting yourself to nature by walking barefoot. So maybe that was the mindset. Yeah, totally.

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So that incident, the domestic incident where they get pulled over was August 12th, but Brian's last Instagram post was August 13th. And he posts something along the lines of humans being primates and everything basically being connected down to plants, like humans to plants are connected in some way. Again, at first when I read like the humans are primates that I was like, okay, where is he going with this? But understanding he really just wanted to be one with nature didn't really, I didn't really get red flag vibes from that at all. You know, they want to live with less Gabby's last Instagram post was August 19th, but I'm pretty and she posted twice that day. So when I pulled up her Instagram, I did think it was weird because she hadn't posted

for and I'm pulling it up as we speak. She posted August 12. And then August 19. I did think it was a little weird that she posted, well, maybe not. She posted July 31. And then again, August 12. And then again, August 19. So maybe it was not it not abnormal for her to not post every day. I feel like it's more abnormal. The fact that she posted between like, again, from August 12. And then the 19th versus what was the post before that? Before August 19. Before the 12th? Oh, before the 12th was July 31. Okay, so that seems to be a bigger gap right between times than August 12 and August 19. But what I found weird out of all that regardless of the dates was the fact that everyone that listens to us on here regularly or follows me on Instagram

knows that I love a pretty aesthetic. And when I saw that photo that she posted last, it didn't really seem to fit the vibe of what was going on on her Instagram, which I found odd. And then also, why would you post that and say happy Halloween with like two Halloween emojis when it's not near Halloween? And also, if you look at the pattern of her post, she tends to post very long captions. So I thought that that was a little bit odd that she would post that. And then there's like no details. It seems as if when she posts, she posts a lot of detailed information as if she's using Instagram as a blog. Right. So that's why I was saying like, maybe she was trying to break through and like the

blogger world. You're right. The picture definitely doesn't fit the aesthetic and it doesn't have a location either. So August 19th doesn't have a caption either. But again, she uses hashtags and the caption is a little bit longer. Her August 12th, again, really long caption. I don't see hashtags on that one, but a long caption. And a lot of them have locations tagged. So like Arches National Park, the last two posts do not have locations on them, which is a little odd because that's what she's doing, right? In her whole aesthetic and like, I don't, it just doesn't, it doesn't fit. Doesn't add up. I did want to say that Gabby's family doesn't believe that it was her who posted those. And also they do not believe

the August 30th text that was received from Gabby's phone to her mom, that the no service in Yosemite was there. It was my understanding that they weren't in Yosemite, that they were in near Yellowstone. So. So I don't know if you saw it, but there was a TikTok of, okay, so August 12th is the domestic incident. August 21st, Petito's dad orders Uber Eats for the couple staying in Salt Lake City. So that was August 21st. August 24th, the parents say the couple left Salt Lake City and they were last seen checking out of a hotel. That was August 24th. August 25th was the last call from, from Gabby and it was at Grand T in National Park and that's in Wyoming. The TikTok went viral where this woman says that she sees Brian Laundrie hitchhiking by

her, by himself and her and her boyfriend pick him up. I'm going to tell that. Let me. Hi, my name is Miranda Baker and on August 29th, my boyfriend and I picked up Brian at Grand Teton National Park at 530 at night at Coulter Bay. He approached us asking us for a ride because he needed to go to Jackson, which we were going to Jackson that night. So I said, you know, hop in. He hopped in the back of my Jeep. We then, you know, proceeded to make small talk. But before he came in the car, he offered to pay us like $200 to give him a ride like 10 miles. So that was kind of weird. He then told us he's been camping for multiple days without his fiancé. He did say he had a fiancé and that she was working on their social media page back at their van.

Then once like in conversation, I brought up like we're going to Jackson. He freaked out. He's like, nope, I need to get out right now. You know, like pull over. So we pulled over at the Jackson Dam, which I don't know if you know like Teton Park, but it's not very far from Coulter Bay. And if this does like reach people, I can post pictures of, you know, exactly where we were. We picked him up and the whole route or whatever and like screenshots or like the timestamps. We dropped him off at 6.09 p.m. on August 29th. He kind of like hurried out of the car and then he's like, okay, I'm just going to go find someone else to, you know, hitchhike. I'm like, okay. It was a weird situation. So when we picked him up, he was wearing a backpack.

He had a long sleeve pants, hiking boots, and he had like scruff. But he didn't look dirty for someone who was camping for multiple days. Like he didn't look dirty. He didn't smell dirty. So that part was kind of weird. And I'm just really hoping that they find her in this. This helps someone like remember seeing him or, you know, something like that. So I don't know if it's just me, but first of all, $200 on a road trip like this and being gone for two months from your family, you can't afford to give somebody $200 for a short ride. So desperate times call for desperate measures. And I just really want to know. He did say to the couple that his girlfriend was in the van and working on their social media.

Now that's weird because August 29th, there's no more posts. The last post from them is August 13th and for, for Brian. And then I think her last post was like August 19th. So by the 29th, I mean, that's a whole 10 days and there are no posts. So what social media, what was she working on? And I think that the post, the, the YouTube video that they posted went up August 19th. So again, the hitchhiker or Brian Laundrie is hitchhiking on August 29th. And he's saying that she's in the van working on social media and website content and things like that. That's 10 days since the last post and nothing has gone up since. So is she really working on that? And also she said that for someone who's been camping in the woods and things like that

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I think he meant to say no service in Yellowstone. And the weird thing is that they worked at Publix, which is a grocery store. I don't know because again, the financials haven't been released for them, but I just don't think that if they were working at Publix in the grocery store that they would have access to be able to give someone $200 to go a couple of miles, that seems to be excessive. Like I wouldn't give someone $200 to go a couple of miles. So well, also, I mean, they've been on this road trip for a long time now too. So I mean, we're talking a whole month, almost two months has gone by and you have, you still have $200 to just like hand out. That's weird. That seemed to be very weird to me.

And also, I just wanted to touch on, I didn't, I don't know if you saw this, but a Spotify playlist was created the day after she sent that last text to her mom. And that playlist was shared with Brian. If she sends that text that there is no service in Yosemite. How did she have service to create this Spotify playlist for her to be able to download and create that? How do we know it was created that on that day was like there was, it shows? Yeah. Let me go on, let me show up, let me pull up my Spotify and see, because I actually didn't, I didn't know that. So let me look up and see like if I were to create a playlist. Okay. Another thing that I thought was very strange is that it seemed as if

the people that picked him up, when he had the freak out, they had gone like 10 miles, right? The one Tik Tok that I watched talked about spontaneous, impulsive, unexpected death, and having an instinctual desire to flee. And that's whether you were involved in the death or not. And it's like a shock response to flee, right? And to find a place that would be comfortable. So he was trying to get home, but technically he had two homes, his home in Florida and then the van. So that could explain the behavior there. Maybe, let's just say hypothetically, they get into some type of physical altercation. I believe fully that she would be physical, just based off the fact of him having the visible scratches on his face and neck. So

let's say they did get into an altercation and things took a turn for the worst, she ends up dead, he freaks out, and it's like fight or flight, right? Like he, he decides, oh my God, like she's dead, could have been a total accident. It went wrong. You know, a fight went bad. And then he decides that he's going to leave. I just don't understand how you can know that your fiance is missing and then automatically try to leave and go states away. To me, that is indicating that he knows exactly what happened to her. There's no question in my mind that he is, he knows exactly what happened to her and where she is. I just have so many questions. I don't, I don't know how you leave where you last, like you're living out of a van and things like that,

right? So if you had nothing to do with it, you're probably not going to leave that area until she's found. You're not going to then drive from Wyoming to Florida without her if you didn't have anything to do with it. Correct. And another thing that I found very odd is that his family is saying that they're staying out of it. Her family is begging for communication from him because he won't communicate anything. Based off the fact that they both lived with his family in Florida, I would feel that they would have a pretty close relationship with them, right? For them, and you would think that the natural response would be they're trying to get information, but yet they help their son lawyer up. That's strange to me.

I'm sorry. As a mother of four children of more four boys, I'm not helping my, my, any of my kids cover up a murder or foul play or anything. I'm going because no, no. And then I don't know if you saw, but again, people who are very interested in true crime that want answers, no one's getting answers, feeling like we're searching for our own answers. Go back and look at this video that has been posted on their YouTube. He's in a hammock and this book that he's reading is about people going missing. So could that be a connection? Yes. Could it be just happenstance? Yes. But when you hear things like that, it causes you to believe like, was this something more premeditated? You then start thinking, okay, is, are they like

obsessed with each other and know that they shouldn't be together, but also can't quit each other. So then they're out on their road. It's like this whole toxic Bonnie and Clyde type of situation. Yes. That's, that's what I think. I'm getting very like Chris Watt, Chris Watt's vibes from him. Okay. So actually people were comparing Brian to Christopher Watts. However, in my opinion, Chris Watts was married with a family, with kids and a mistress. Brian had no logical motive for killing Gabby unless he's just pure evil with the desire to kill and is mentally not in a right state. Right. Yeah. That's pretty much where I see all, I also, I can also see that. I just, I keep going back to, I'm looking at his Instagram while we're doing this.

I keep going back to the fact that he left his fiance wherever she went was last seen, you know, and drove home with the van that was actually her van is what I'm seeing or what I'm reading. He then goes missing two weeks later. So they get home, he gets home September 1st without Gabby and then he lawyers up, he's not cooperating by September 14th. He is then on the run and, and gone. At first I thought that maybe there is something bigger to this that none of us are seeing and maybe, you know, something actually happened to him. That's when I really, like once I, it sank in and some time went on, I was like, okay, this is not, he's not hurt or something. He's in on this and he's on the run, but to your point in the beginning with technology

and things like that, I don't even know how he's going under the radar. I don't, I don't know, but the attorney for Brian released a statement, be advised that the whereabouts of Brian are currently unknown. The FBI is currently at the laundry residence removing property to assist and locating Brian. As of now, the FBI is looking for both Gabby and Brian. If he's missing, I think he's hiding. Okay. I don't believe that anything mysteriously happened to him. Back to the point that you made that she, there's a slight possibility that she's alive. It has run through my mind that you know, Gabby, this thing happened by accident. They got into an altercation. Okay. Well, let's say, let's play this theory that Gabby died by accident. They got into an altercation. He left

her, he comes back. She's missing. I don't think that's the case because I don't believe that there's like the chances of anyone else being in the area at this time that would do something with her is like slim to none, right? Right. But people will argue that if it was an accident, he would speak, but if it was an accident, no, right. If it was an accident provoked by him, and which he knows that he's going to be charged for murder, he could potentially be scared of speaking about it and fear of being charged, right? I would, I, it's hard to say like any of us like knee jerk reaction would be like, well, this is what I would do or this is what I wouldn't do. But I think in the heat of a moment,

in a moment, you are afraid, you panic, you don't know what you would do or what you wouldn't do in a situation, in a high stress level situation. So it's hard to say that I will say that it would be hard for me to then turn around and drive several days home and leave, you know, my other half, not knowing where she is, right? And not saying anything for those several, like those several days until I get home. I would be curious to know what he told his family, like what did he say to his family when she was not with him? I think they know a lot and that's why they're not speaking. I keep thinking of their age and how young they are. And that could explain why, let's say it was an accident. And that could just explain why he would be a scared, scared to speak, just, you know,

being afraid. I think that you can be a narcissist, which I do believe that he possibly is, and not be a murderer. His whole demeanor to me is very cryptic, especially in that video where the cops pulled both of them over. And for the reported domestic abuse, Gabby is distraught, but he's laughing to downplay the situation. That to me was odd. Yes. And he, he was like, no, I don't, I don't have anything bad to say. And I hope she doesn't have anything bad to say about me. Like very, um, not condescending, but like to make it a joke and to, to downplay it when she's clearly upset and distraught. Yeah. Very strange. And I don't want to downplay the fact that I do think that mental illness is playing a huge role in this case. And that's why

why his lawyer or lawyers are not letting him speak. Um, I do feel like in the video of where they get pulled over that Gabby is in a manic state. Um, she's very erratic. You can tell she's highly emotional. Um, we don't have any information about her past medical history, but I definitely feel like in the future, as this case unfolds, that that's going to play a part in all of this. Yeah, I agree. I do agree. I also just wanted to say that that the fact that his family has a child, know that a child that is his same age or roughly same age is missing, but unwilling to cooperate with anyone or speak, um, to her family to give any type of information or come forward to give any type of information that they

possibly have that could be helpful for this case is mind blowing to me to know that there's a family out here suffering wanting to just have answers. Regardless if their child at this point is dead or alive, you're going to just want answers and to know that these people potentially could have information that could be helpful, but not willing to give it is just very disheartening to me. Yeah. And just weird, like why, why wouldn't you, I know there was a TikTok of someone that came forward saying that she thinks that she saw Gabby, but I just, I don't know if they covered any of that. And, um, I saw that too. Yeah, I just, there was another TikTok as well that was, um, a family that had like taken, did you see this? It was like where they had taken

a photo and on the back of the photo laying on a rock was a female and they connected the outfit to previous photo that Gabby had posted, um, of her having those exact clothing items, but that was something that was going on on Reddit and they have disproved that theory to just be completely like basically internet made up. And I did want to just bring in the fact that I hate that again, we're here talking about it on a podcast, so we can't really talk, but I do feel like sometimes the media, social media distorts a lot of the information, the information, and it causes all of these conspiracies. And then I do feel like it has an effect on actual investigation. Yeah, right. Well, that's why, I mean, juries of cases and things like that are not

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That's one month for free at gohenry.com promo code coffee. The eerie is part of it to me is not that, you know, he was bare, hiking barefoot. It was that he, his profile says something about being brainwashed by the media in here. We all are picking apart this case. And I don't know, like I was just getting like, he was, I don't know. I don't know, I don't have a good feeling about it, but it feels, it all feels eerie to me. And I will be curious if he, if he comes forward, if he will actually ever tell what happened. I also wanted to just bring up too, that I saw a lot of different stuff going on about the zone of death. Did you see that? Yes. And how in a 2005 academic paper titled The Perfect Crime

by Michigan State University Law Professor, that there is a 50 square mile swath of Idaho and which might be able to commit felonies basically without catching any charges. So it says the entire Yellowstone National Park falls under the federal judicial district of Wyoming, including an uninhabited small strip of land behind the Idaho state border now known as the zone of death. The sixth amendment requires all criminal prosecutions to be heard by a jury from the state and district where the crime was committed. It is potentially impossible to try someone for a murder in the zone of death because there is no one to summon for a jury who lives in both the state of Idaho and the district of Wyoming. A crime committed in the zone of death

has never been brought before the court, so it is uncertain how the loophole would be interpreted. But social media sleuths have suggested the zone of death is the most logical place to search for the missing 22 year old who has never returned from a cross country road trip with her boyfriend. I have a lot of thoughts on this. I do feel like they were him more so were of high intelligence. I do feel like the interest in reading and exploring well traveled, possibly interested in doing research. If this was premeditated, who's to say that he didn't read about this? It was said that they both had interest in true crime and the type of book that he was reading about people going missing in that one YouTube video. I can't help but think

could he have had knowledge of this zone of death and taken her to a place to kill her to know that if he ever did get caught that he would be safe because he couldn't be prosecuted. Is that possible? But then why go home without her and be on the run two weeks later? He didn't think far enough ahead then because he should be confident in his crime. But that goes back to the shock response. I think that when until you do something like this or until you're faced with that trauma that I mean obviously in this case would be self-inflicted, the response is sometimes erratic. I hope that she's found alive. I hope that she's okay. I hope that this is not you know what it feels like it is but I'm curious to see how it unfolds and I'm gonna follow updates

on it. And what was interesting to me, so September 11th she was officially reported missing in Florida. That same day was the day that he was pulled over in the white van without her inside. On September 15th he was named as a person of interest and I think a lot of people are misunderstanding what a person of interest means. It does not mean that he was considered a suspect on September 15th. He was considered to be someone who the police believed had information. Um to me I just don't understand how they can't get any type of answers from him. I just don't understand how he would have been like the last person with her and they were traveling together living together out of a van. Like where could she be? Maybe just not talking. You know he he

just not speaking at all. It's not like like when we followed the Chris Watt the Chris Watt's case at first he told like he had no idea and then it was a lie and then boom cracked the case and he spilled all the details. Um for this situation I think Brian just is not sharing details because it's kind of like the Scott Peterson like he doesn't if he's not saying anything and he is well Scott Peterson had like an alibi and things like that. I think if he started talking he would be removed from a person of interest to a suspect quickly. Correct right and so he's not saying anything at all. I did also want to say that if anyone who is listening would have any type of information on this and you have not called the FBI the FBI is involved and you can call

1-800 call FBI for any type of information. I do know that a lot of different podcasts that have covered this a lot of tick talkers a lot of influencers on Instagram are also sharing this FBI number just in the event that anyone happened to see anything. I mean you just never know what type of information someone could have that would think that it wasn't important but could be super important. Yes right like for example I've been watching clickbait and that's something that I want to cover on our episode this week our regular episode but something that the sister had in that show um information has helped them find the suspect and it was just like a small detail of something so right I think that people very much underestimate like oh well if I saw you know

this girl in a convenience store just knowing a time and a date of that could be so super helpful. You know what I also felt was like like really really odd what is just that the demeanor of her in that body cam footage I can't help but to think that they got into some type of altercation and maybe both ended up in manic states he snapped and killed her like I can't help but think that. I the whole thing is just and you know what also kind of makes me feel uneasy is like and I don't know if it's because you and I have been in the public eye but they say the ones that post the most are and and and want it to look perfect are actually the ones that are the most unhappy and I'm not saying that goes

for all people um I believe that though but it is something to look at you know what I mean like it's something to consider and I do think that they're just very young to be on the road like that engaged I mean the the pressure I mean potentially could have had financial pressure as well you know being on the road two months without jobs I do know that the police and I I believe as of this recording that they were subpoenaing financial records and phone records and those have not been released as of now. One thing that I did find odd which I don't really know the full details of her parents relationship with her other than what I've what I've gathered is it was a very positive relationship but they didn't become concerned until like day eight or nine I feel

like if I had not heard from my daughter in several days knowing that she was like out on the road living in a van traveling um and supposedly had no service for several days and I hadn't heard anything I would be concerned a lot sooner than day eight or nine. I'm looking back at the footage and I think I agree not having service for one day is like okay fine two days maybe but pushing it a little bit I mean technology these days is like everywhere and I feel like for for the two of them to have posted as much as they have on this trip and then also not hearing I would also be highly concerned prior to day nine probably around day three four five I would be like okay this is weird. I would be calling the police

by day four like my I can't get in touch with my daughter this is you know the last time I heard from her um is there any way that officers could try to go out and do a wellness check on this general location right yep you know anyhow we will continue following this case as it currently unfolds um there's really no more information other than what we've given in this episode if you guys have any feedback for us or any information that we did not cover in this then please send us a message um probably to either we'll actually just do it to the coffee combos podcast um because sometimes I just get inundated on personal and then I get I get lost and then stop reading um so just message us there at coffee combos podcast on Instagram and again if you guys have not followed us you can

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