Coffee Convos with Kail Lowry and Lindsie Chrisley - 181: Time Apart, This or That, and Updates To The Case

Episode Date: September 23, 2021

This week Kail and Lindsie talk about how difficult it can be to spent time away from your kids. As Jackson goes on his first trip without her, Lindsie is struggling emotionally. She and Kail talk about how hard to can be to let them go, but how it is often for the greater good of the co-parenting relationship. Then Coffee Convos plays a fun game of This or That! Be sure to play along on Coffee Convos Instagram! Are you more of a Summer of Fall fan? And would you rather spend time at the beach or the lake? Plus Lindsie and Kail discuss the recent updates that have come out about the Gabby Petito case. With the sad developments everyone is sending well wishes to Gabby's family, and hoping for the answers they deserve. This episode was sponsored by: The Pill Club, Peloton, & Apostrophe Music by Nathaniel Wyvern. Licensed under Creative Commons: By Attribution 4.0 License. 

Good morning coffee convo's listeners. It is Monday morning and it is quite the fucking morning. Oh! Kale, I thought it was gonna be a good one. No, absolutely not. It's definitely Monday. Where do you want me to start? Well, um, so this morning I woke up with my period and as we all know, on this podcast, um, it's never light for me. So my period and then Isaac missed the bus. So, I saw that. I had to get all the kids to their respective schools, which is fine. But once I dropped the babies off at their school, I went out to my car and I, I don't know how this happened because I have a new truck and they're not supposed to be able to lock the keys in the vehicle. My wallet, my phone and my keys were all inside the vehicle. So, um, I had to call, um, the only

person that I had memorized from the receptionist phone, which was Jose Marquin. So he, and I vowed to not speak to him, um, for anything unless it was regarding Lincoln. Um, but he, um, he did me a huge solid. So shout out to Javi. I know you listened to this podcast. So thank you. Wait, can you tell me what the call was like? Can you do like a reenactment of you and the dealership or wherever you were? I was at the school. Yeah. I, I went out to my car and I checked all of the doors and then I was like, shit. So I go back in and I said, Miss, Miss Alexis, can I, can I please borrow your phone? I said, I'm locked out. And the last time this happened was maybe like two years ago, um, I had my dog in the car and my dog like went to go, I don't know if you remember

this, but he like tried to like look out the window and he pressed the lock button and I called AAA and they came or whatever. Um, but this time I knew I had a spare key. The other truck, I didn't know where the spare key was. So I had, I knew I had to call AAA. So I was like, uh, Javi, can you please come get me? And he was like, if this isn't fake, cause he had tried to call me. He was like, I need to talk to you about a couple of important things. Like, you know, whatever. And I was kind of avoiding his phone call this morning. I was to talk to him. Yeah. Yeah. Karma got you. You were being an avoider of all things. And then you needed him. Love this for you. Yeah. So that was my morning. I still went to work out. I only had 45 minutes to work out before we could podcast,

but, um, we incorporated some like exercises within our mile walk. So it was kind of like, at least we got the walk done. You know what I mean? Like, at least I got a little bit of a workout in. I love this for you. Well, 45 minutes of working out versus 45 minutes of not working out still counts. Right. But wait, okay. So I need to tell you something that I'm kind of frustrated by. And, um, it's really petty, like not petty, but like really trivial, but like also annoying. So, um, I don't know if you still use them, but ever since they sponsored the podcast, um, I still use stitch, stitch, stitch fix for the kids. And, um, I paused them for a little while in the summertime because I had so many summer clothes. And then I got the kids first boxes this

month. And, um, two out of three of them were completely wrong. And like they had like a different parents name and then a different kids name. And then just like stuff, like stuff that my kids wouldn't wear. Like my kids specifically don't want to wear jeans. Um, they don't like sweats. Yeah. Jackson will not wear jeans either. Can we pause there for just a second? Yes. No, that makes me feel so better because I was like, what is, like why don't, because I feel like not that I'm not okay with sweats all the time, but like sometimes I would like for them to look a little bit, you know, like with jeans and like a nice shirt or whatever, but they will not wear jeans. So I'm, I vowed to not spend money on jeans if they're not going to wear them. Yeah.

Jackson is like that too. And it literally used to drive me nuts, but it's something about like the texture of the jeans. Um, and he's also like that about texture of socks. Like if the socks are too thick, yes, he will not wear them. And if the little like, um, um, like the seam of the socks on the, if it's too thick on the inside, yes. Isaac will literally be like, it hurts. And like we've gotten into like arguments about it. Cause I didn't understand what was, this was when he was younger. Um, and he'd be like, it hurts. And I'm like, I think if they're just like very like sensitive to like, like, do they have sensitive toes? Like I don't get it. I don't, I don't know, but I, I literally choose my battles and now it's like, okay, we're not

getting thick socks with thick seams and we're not getting jeans because if you guys aren't wearing them, I'm not doing this. So anyway, you get these boxes and they're wrong. Yeah, they're wrong. And I was, um, so I, I, before I called you, I logged onto my account. I will, I tried to log onto my account and it's automatically saved like my email and my password. And now it's saying that that doesn't exist, that it can't find my email, which it's saved to my computer and I have not changed it since, you know what I mean? Like I haven't changed my email or my password. And, um, it's saying it doesn't recognize that email. It doesn't recommend, and I tried a different one and it doesn't recognize that either. And it's like,

these companies don't have like phone numbers to call, which is super annoying. So maybe they don't have, maybe they somehow mixed up another family stuff with your address. But the clothes in the box also didn't match because it comes with like the little paper that has like all the sizes and like what each thing is. So now my papers went with somebody else, but then the clothes went somewhere else and now nothing's going to match. So they might end up billing me for things that I don't even actually have. Oh my gosh. Cause you know, when you don't get billed for what you keep or you don't get billed for what you send back. Right. Um, so, and then the box was addressed to Lux and then one of the boxes was addressed to Isaac and I

haven't even actually, now that I'm thinking about it, I don't even know if I got Lincoln's. Honestly, I love services like that because it takes out the thinking part of you having to go to the store and like find cute stuff. And I love that you can send back items like, okay, well, we don't really like this. So we can send this back, but there was like X, Y and Z other great things. Right, right, right, right. No, I usually love them. Usually, usually, usually I know it's a change of seasons and we just started our, like I paused it over the summer. So I think it's probably just like a restarting mix up. Um, I have nothing bad to say about the company. I was just saying it was a little frustrating because I was looking, I, oh, Lux loves opening packages.

Like when I tell you, it doesn't matter who it's for or what it is. If he gets to open a package, it lights up his entire world. And so, um, I love this care. I know. Um, he's so funny. But yeah, I was just a little frustrated because it was the beginning of a new week and I was hoping to put the kids in some new clothes, but, um, it's fine. We'll work it out. Figure this out. Lux like opens the packages and he's like, oh yeah, it's tampons. He's like, yes. Yes. I'm so excited for this. Oh my gosh. So actually speaking on the jogger thing, I was organizing Jackson's closet. Um, it's still pretty hot here, but also I know that it's going to be like one weird day and then it's all of a sudden going to be cold. It always happens like

that. It's like extreme heat and then we'll wake up and we'll need winter clothes. Um, so I had bought Jackson a bunch of like various joggers from different brands and I opened up his closet and I was like, wow, I should probably buy some like different kind of clothes. It's like joggers from various brands with just different colors. Oh yeah. Yeah. Totally. And I'm like, why is it like this? But then it made me think of myself and I love just to wear Lulu lemon leggings like all the time. It's either that or Nike shorts all the time depends which season it is. Um, so maybe, maybe he got that from me. I love comfortable clothes and I only have one pair of jeans that fit me right now. So I also just have like leggings, like all

different kinds of leggings. Oh my gosh. I want to know anyone who's listening. Are you one of those people that has like a favorite pair of jeans because I have a funny story about a favorite pair of jeans? Um, are you talking about me? Do I have a favorite pair? Well, you're going to answer the question, but anyone who's listening is also going to need to answer the question. Yeah. Okay. Uh, so you do have a favorite pair? Um, I did. Um, when, but then I gained, I got pregnant with Lux and they never fit me again. Um, but they were my favorite pair of jeans and the problem was that they were very identifiable. They were not, they were not like, um, like a pair of jeans that if you dress them up or dress them down, it was like, you don't know

if they're the same pair of the jeans that I wore yesterday kind of thing. They were very, like people knew they were my favorite jeans. Oh my God. People knew Kale was always wearing those jeans. Um, okay. So when we were in college, Will had a favorite pair of jeans and I freaking hated them. I was like the fashion police back then or at least I thought I was. Um, and they were like not, I wouldn't even say like light washed. These were more like white washed and I'm pretty sure they came from American Eagle and, um, they were very light denim, but they looked like bleached out basically. And he wore these things so much that they started kind of getting thin in the knees and then like the pockets in the back started like getting holes. So one night we went

out drinking and came home and I just hated these jeans so bad. And I'm like, okay, well if I could figure out a way to like hide these jeans, but if he finds them, then he's going to wear them again. So that doesn't really solve the problem. So we come in from a night's drinking and I'm like cutting up with Will. We're laughing, carrying on. And I go and take my finger and stick it like in a little hole in the, um, knee of the pants, like where it was wearing and I pulled it down, but I didn't think it would rip and it ripped the whole half of the jeans off of him. Oh my gosh. And so I never had to see the jeans again, but he was devastated. So. Oh, I bet. I bet. I just wonder how many people who are listening to this have a favorite pair of jeans and like it's like

their go-to because I don't. I did. I don't anymore. I have a favorite pair of leggings. You know what's so funny though? Like I always have, because my mornings are so chaotic just while we're on the closed subject, um, I always try to have my kids pick out their outfits the night before and I'm at a point where like I'm not picking out their outfits anymore, not for Isaac and Lincoln anyway. And, um, I love how much confidence that Lincoln has in his outfits. Like I know we've, we've mentioned it before, but like I, I let him, I let him. I'm like, do you want me to pick out your outfit? Do you care if that doesn't match? And he says no. So I'm like, I let it rock and, um, I just, I love it. Like it literally, it makes my morning like it

really does. I love that so much. Um, I also want to know for people who are listening, um, if you're, if you're a mom of a boy or boys, if they care about what they wear, because I feel like you either have a child that like really cares or a child that does not give a shit and Jackson does not give a single shit about what he wears. He will not wear bumpy socks. That's bumpy socks. I love that. That's one thing. He will not wear jeans, but as far as like what I have for him in his wardrobe, it doesn't matter. He doesn't care. Um, but he does have an obsession with Spider-Man right now and he wants to wear this Spider-Man jacket that I bought him from Target. He thinks it's the best thing. It was 12 95. Um, and he go literally goes through the laundry

trying to find it when it's dirty and I love that about him. No, I love that. I love it. I'm like, I love that you love it so much. Oh, that's like the cutest thing though. That's like when they just love their stuff and it could be the simplest thing, like literally from Walmart Target, just the simple, like Lux had these Batman shoes that his Nana got him. Nana is Chris's mom. Um, and I, I don't know where she got them. Um, and they, Lux loved these little Batman shoes. Like love them. I love that for him. I remember that. I feel like it was like a year ago or so. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I love it so much. Are you guys, we're going to take a quick break to talk about one of our partners, the pill club. I know that we've talked about them before,

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you that he left on his first trip without me and I literally cried all day when he left. Oh, Lindsay, it was so sad. Like I didn't know, I mean, obviously I knew it would bother me, but I didn't know until it happened and I was like faced with it. I didn't know that it would bother me that bad. And it also didn't help that, you know, I get all of his stuff together and I think Will, by the way, really underestimated his move into the fixer upper. And he still doesn't have like any of Jackson's personal items out. So I ended up packing his bag for him for the beach, which honestly made me feel better because I knew that he would have everything that he's accustomed to having when going on vacation. But yeah, Will definitely underestimated

the amount of work that it was going to take to get the house, you know, functional. And a lot of people go through that just like in regular moves. I know that I did here, but this has just been a totally different experience. He ended up having to go in rip out carpets immediately, which he didn't expect to have to do because they wouldn't come clean and just a ton of stuff. So I ended up packing all of Jackson's stuff. And I put him a little gift bag of like, not I don't want to call them like cheap toys, but basically like things that you would take to play with at the beach, like the tiny Nerf guns, the right ball toys, you know, all that. I put them together like a little care package. And then I bought different cute stationery that had like different animals

on them and wrote him a letter for every day. So whenever he woke up that he would be able to open a letter for me and I put like jokes in there and stuff. Oh, that's so sweet. I would have never thought of something like that. That's literally the cutest thing I've ever heard. And when Will took the bat, like the care package out and his, we also have a backpack that goes like a designated backpack that goes between our houses because Jackson still has certain things that he uses every single day, but Will wouldn't be able to have it at his house and I wouldn't be able to have it at my house. Like it has to go back and forth because it's a designated blanket, like a lovey, like, you know, all these things that he still uses. And so when he took that bag out and

his little duffel bag, I literally was trying to hold it together so much and I did until they left. But Jackson was standing in the door frame with me hugging on to me and he was, you know, telling his dad like it's not fair that I couldn't go on the trip and that he's never been on a vacation with his dad by himself. And, you know, Will was like, well, buddy, you guys went on a vacation without me like over Labor Day. And Jackson was like, yeah, but I go places with my mom all the time. And I don't do that with you. Mom's always with us. And so it was just so sad. And then I just lost it for the rest of the day. So just like completely out of sorts for the rest of the day, completely. And then the day before Jackson and I had, you know, just planned some fun little

things around the house to do and just spent like quality time together and took a bunch of Polaroids and just had a really good time. And so I'm going to post those on my Instagram. They're super cute. But then I was looking at those they were laying on my counter and I was just like looking at them and they probably have like tier marks on them now because I was just like falling. So yeah, it was it was so sad. And then I think also it doesn't help that where they're going or where they are was the place that we took our last family vacation. So I think that like that's playing a part of it too, like knowing that there's somewhere that we regularly family vacate. It was our last Hurrah. And then now they're there and I'm not.

I could see why that would be upsetting totally. So you're valid in your feelings and like I said, you and Will are doing a good job. Has he been like understanding of your feelings on it or do you not really talk to him about it? I mean, I don't really talk about my feelings with him because I guess it doesn't really how I feel doesn't really matter. It's about Jackson and keeping that co-parenting relationship as healthy as possible. Sometimes I feel like it muddies the waters a little bit whenever you try to talk about your personal feelings because as much as those do matter, those probably matter more in therapy for me than they do in a conversation with him. So I've tried to keep things very positive and

and as non-emotional as possible with going through a basically a breakup of 12 years. So I don't know the past. I would probably say like the past eight days have been really hard for me, but I think it's because I've actually reached a point of settlement in my home. Like I've got all my bills set up on my auto pay, all of my things that were in my garage are now stored, you know, like all of my holiday stuff. I went through a box that I was dreading, a box of like sentimental things of Will and I just collection of pictures over the past 12 years, a collection of cards that we hid in each other over the past 12 years, just looking back on those and I, you know, was obviously going through the stuff and deciding

what I was keeping and what wasn't important to keep and reading those cards. It's been really hard and emotional. And now that Jackson's not here and I'm kind of just like sitting at home by myself and my thoughts, it's just been sad. But one of my other girlfriends told me that the first couple of trips and the first time he goes away will be really hard and then it will become a new norm and it won't be as hard anymore. It's just like the firsts are really hard. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I'm not going to say that it gets easier. I mean, some things get easier, some things don't. Like we talked about it a little bit last week. I mean, even I've been through this three times now. Some things, some things,

once the first is kind of like, not to say out of the way, but for a lack of better words, out of the way, some of those, it stings a little bit less, but sometimes it still hurts. Like I said last week, you know, it's been five years and some things still hurt, you know? Yeah. I mean, there's just certain things that I feel like you'll never get over. You just learn how to cope with those things. Yes. Exactly. Exactly. And I think that's the point that I'm realizing right now is that it's okay that, you know, I've got to grieve some of these losses and I may never get over certain aspects of it. Life just will change and I have to be okay with knowing that some of those things, it will get better over time, but it doesn't mean

that the feelings about those things are going to go away. So that's just been very hard. I mean, Will was my first for absolutely everything. So it's also hard not to compare my current life to what I had, if that makes sense. Yeah. Yeah. Of course. Of course. Well, I hope he has a great vacation though. I know. He called me. He called me last night and he's been playing customer service and I die. I wish I could get him on recording so that I could play it on my story. It is so funny. He'll call and he'll be like, Hi, this is, you know, such and such. And he's playing this customer service rep and I'm supposed to play into this. And it's finally like after five minutes has gone on. I'm like, Okay, I would now like to like actually speak to my son and find out

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I did want to do a couple of would you rather's before we get into the next thing that I wanted to follow up on because this is more lighthearted and I'll make sure that I send these to Kristen so that you guys that are listening can participate, you know, in our stories. Summer or fall? Summer. Okay, I'm fall. Why are you summer? I feel like I can do more things in the summer. I love to travel and I think that's like the one thing that I look forward to with my kids is like, I know I'm going to take a really long vacation with my kids and I get to sleep in. I don't have to worry about getting four kids to school and like, I don't know, I just, but that being said, I do love that we have seasons. Like, I know I complain about winter a lot,

but like, I love that we have seasons and then by the end of summer, I'm ready for fall. See, I wish that I could live somewhere that was like fall climate year round. I would be so happy. Oh, okay. That makes sense. But then you would still have like two months off where you can go travel somewhere. That would be cool. Yeah, that would be cool. I would really thrive in that life. Fall. I love college football. I love the way that the weather feels weirdly. I love the way that the weather smells outside. I love like the crispiness of fall. I love crockpot meals. I just really thrive in the fall and love it so much. I love legging weather, sweatshirt weather. It's just, it's so good. It hurts. And it's just like my favorite of all time.

Okay. The next one, Kale, if you had to choose for someone to do your hair or makeup every day, which would you choose? My hair. I'm also going to choose hair because I don't know how to do it at all. I'm just not good at my hair and I love Taylor. She does my hair most of the time. I also love Zach. But I also like my makeup. I'm fine. Like I can do an everyday look or I just don't wear it at all. But I think if your hair is done, the makeup, you can kind of be like, okay, I'm either going to do like a tinted moisturizer moment or like none at all. Or you can go full, like, you know what I mean? I definitely say, I definitely say I would choose for someone to do my hair. I just like for my hair to feel like so fresh and clean and non frizzy. And I feel like I

get that whenever I go and get a good like nothing makes me happier than a day that I get to go to the hair salon and get my hair shampooed, brushed out by someone else and blow dried by someone else. Like I love that so much. And again, I don't really wear makeup regularly every day. I'm pretty much barefaced, use tons of moisturizer, lots of serums. If I'm going to put something on my face, it's going to be a tinted moisturizer. So I could really take it or leave it on the makeup. Okay, if you could have your choice to cook or clean the kitchen, which one are you going to choose? Oh, shit. I hate both. I'm going to go with clean. I'm also going to go with clean the kitchen. If someone else would cook everything. And the only thing I had to do was clean up the

mess. I can thrive there. Yes. Yes. I also agree with you. There's just too much prep that goes in and like thinking that goes into the cooking part. Yes. That I don't want to do. So yeah, and it's weird because when I first started dating Will, I really loved like cooking him meals and trying new things. But I also have to remember that I was like 19, 20, 21 years old, and had nothing else to do other than to go to class. So I think the aspect of like adding all the other life things, being like a real adult, being a mom, and was a wife, I think the thrill of cooking a meal just kind of was like, I'm good. I also, well, when I'm happy and like living my best life in a relationship and thriving in a relationship, I would, I'm happy to cook and I want to cook

and I want to do those things like for someone else. When it's just me and my like obviously love my kids, but they all eat different things. So if I could have someone else like make something on a regular basis other than like me trying to figure out what everyone's going to eat because they're not going to all going to eat the same things, that would be really great for me. Also, you don't have an issue with this. But I feel like I relate to someone who is like retired people or empty nesters that it's, I have found it to be very difficult to make meals for Jackson and myself and not have an abundance of things left over. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. No, that's actually hard because I feel like, wait, you're saying that you, you don't want to make

things because you'll have a bunch of stuff. Yeah, like I'll have a bunch of stuff left over and it's like our weeks are so like, you know, for example, he sees will every Wednesday after school. And then he doesn't, he has dinner with his dad. So that's a night that I wouldn't cook, right? On Tuesdays, he has basketball until five o'clock. So that's going to be probably more of, I've been running all over town all day. So we're probably going to get like Chick-fil-A on Tuesdays. Right. So then we're looking at like Mondays and Thursday and Friday. Well, Friday is usually like pizza night in our house. So it's just hard for me. I've been trying to like write down my schedule to know like, okay, this is the night or the two nights a week that like I'm going to cook at home,

but finding meals that don't have a ton of leftovers is really hard. I think I'm going to start doing like one of the meal delivery services for, you know, like you can do it for two. Yes, because I do it for four. And I try like I just got on today to pick our meals for next week. And I try to do, I do three of them a week and I try to pick ones that the kids will eat something out of it. Yeah. So I'm going to try to do that because I honestly can't do another cocktail shrimp night or dino nuggets or kind of wearing out their welcome at this point. So honestly, they've been out of stock every time, every time I go get them here. I don't know what's going on, but I miss them and they are not available. This is what pisses me off because I feel like when I

do my Walmart delivery or curbside pickup two weeks ago, I did a try to do a Walmart pickup and they texted me that my order was ready. And this always happens at the Walmart under own drive in Delaware. So honestly, this is a big fuck you to that Walmart. They will text me that my, my orders ready, like I'll have placed it several days prior. They'll text me that it's ready, we'll go and wait literally wait over two hours and nobody will come out and I'll ask for help. And they'll be like, Oh, like not coming out or we don't know, we don't have that order. We didn't say it was ready. We're behind. And then they texted me the following day after I waited there for two and a half hours saying, sorry, we couldn't fulfill your items. Okay. So

and then the dino nuggets, it's always the staples in our house like taco stuff. This stuff that I just keep for staples that I'm not going to get from like Costco or Sam's Club. Those are always items that are not available for delivery or for curbside pickup. And it's like, I would literally rather run five miles than to walk into Walmart. Oh my gosh. Well, okay. So normally whenever I do go grocery shopping, I need to come up with a new routine. I always have Jackson with me. And so if I went to a place like Walmart, that would be catastrophic for my life because then he wants to go to the toy section and then it just turns into like a multiple hour affair that I am not interested in. But it's also very chaotic

at Walmart. Yeah. Yeah, it is. But then if we go to like the regular grocery store like Kroger or Publix, there's also a toy aisle there. So then, you know, we get trapped on those aisles, but I don't do click list or anything like that. After I had the debacle with the banana and they brought out the one banana, I haven't done it. I haven't done it since I was like, I was like, okay, you know, I, I definitely need to just go in and choose my battles. And I guess I will just weather the storm of all of the folks that are being normals and going in and getting their groceries. I'll just go in and do it with them because the thoughts of someone bringing me out one banana and me having to sit and look at it is just too much for my life. Okay, next one.

If you're decorating your house for the season, are you decorating Halloween decor or generic fall decor? Neither. I don't, I would love the decorating and I don't want to do it at all. Okay, actually, Katie and I were talking about this on the Southern tee and I was so shocked when she told me this that she hates decorating for seasons because I definitely would have thought she would have been the type of person to like, decorate every crevice of, of her house for the season. However, I also hate getting out my stuff, but I love buying the stuff like something. I don't love buying it or decorating or like, I have two, I have my interior designer from my new house. She decorates this amazing Christmas tree for every holiday and like every

season and it just, it looks amazing. It's so cute. She said she, when I move into the house, she's going to do one for me, but like to think about that, I'm like, but then when she leaves and the Christmas is over, I think about taking it down. My other friend Sterling, I don't know if you guys remember Sterling, she is so funny. She will literally, she, she has an amazing Christmas tree every year. She leaves it together and puts a tarp over it and puts it in the garage, completely put together. Sterling, who are you? Amazing. Amazing. Amazing. Okay. So I love that so much, but also with my OCD tendencies, knowing that it was out there with a tarp on it and my garage with things dangling from it, like I would have to deconstruct it. Every year for Christmas,

I take down my stuff. We've talked about this before, I think that I take down my stuff the day after Christmas because Jackson's birthday is four days after Christmas. So I like the holidays to be separate. To be the house. Right. And when I take it down, everything goes back in its original box and the original wrapping, like all of the things. But I love buying seasonal cute items to put out, but then I weirdly like store them in organized containers and then holidays will just go by and then I'll never get them out. But I really hate Halloween decor. I love like a good fall look, something like crispy, maybe like leave looking or apples. I don't mind the cute little pumpkins that people do on their porch and stuff like that,

like harvest, but we already know I don't really love Halloween anyway. So I'm going to pass on the Halloween decor. Okay. Dress up or dress down? Dress down always. Dress down always. Morning or night? Neither. Okay. So how are you existing? I'm wondering the same thing. So I hate being up late. I'm not an up late person. I partially blame getting older, partially blame my children and partially blame PCOS. It's kind of like a third, like, you know, a third of me. And then I also hate waking up in the morning because I don't sleep all night. Like I go to sleep early because I'm so tired and I know that I'm going to wake up at least 10 times in the night. But then I can't wake up because I sleep the hardest in the morning hours. Like I finally get into that

like really deep sleep. If I was healthy, like I'm saying like in terms of like my if my sleep routine was very healthy, I'd probably stay up late. So weirdly, before I moved into my own place, I would definitely say night out, burn the midnight oil. That's when I'm most creative, I feel like. But now that I've moved and I've gotten into a new routine, I would definitely consider myself more of a morning girl. Like I love going to bed being in my bed by like 930, 10 lights out by 1030. I've really gotten into well actually will came over and set up my TV for me and my living room. And so I have been watching I say binging but not really because I've only been watching like an episode or two at a time. The clickbait and you know,

like watching one episode of something turning the TV off going to my room reading a book and going to bed and I feel like it's been so healthy for me. So I've really been thriving more in the morning hours. I'm still one of those people like don't talk to me for like at least like 45 minutes after I woke up. But I am thriving in the morning time these days. I will say though I'm also thriving in the morning. This is my second week full week back at the gym. Last week, I worked out five days. I worked out Monday through Friday. And even this morning, like I knew that I needed to get into my car because I needed to get to my workout. So I will say like I am once I'm up, I'm thriving. And I think maybe that's why I'm starting to sleep better. Like when I do

sleep, I'm sleeping harder. I think it has to do with being on a set schedule and knowing. Yes, that too. That too. Like I knew I needed to be in the gym at whatever time like drop the kids off, be in the gym out this time and then be podcasting with you tomorrow same thing. Although I added a second week of a second day a week for therapy, which is Tuesdays now. So I have Tuesdays and Thursdays. I love that. I need to work out my Tuesday therapy situation so I can get to the gym. If I wait too long, I don't want to go to the gym in the afternoon. I don't want to go to the gym at five o'clock. You know what I mean? Because I just I don't want to dread it all day. So I think a lot of it has to do with being on the schedule and knowing what to predict because

I think sometimes at night as moms, I know for especially for me, I will toss and turn if I if I feel like everything in my life is chaotic, right? Like there's no schedule. I don't know what to expect next. I know that I've got to get a ton of things done, but I don't have it on a list of things to like a checklist of things to do, not knowing what my next day is going to bring. So I feel like I do do so much better when I wake up and have a direction on like, okay, I'm waking up and I'm, you know, taking Jackson to school and then I'm going to the gym and then I'm podcasting like knowing what's coming next. I feel like is major key. I agree. Okay. The last one beach or lake. Um, I would, I want to say lake because I, I like that better because there's no sand, but

I've, I've only ever gone to a lake when I was younger, like there's no lakes around here. So I'm going to have to say beach. I'm definitely going to say beach, but I also like the lake. Like I like to go to the lake in the fall time. That's like my favorite time to go because you can just like ride around on the boat and not get in the water, but the weather's like cool and crisp and you can watch football and cook burgers and like all that. But I also love going to the beach, like a good beach trip to be able to go and disconnect and sit by the pool and get good food and good drinks. And um, I just love it so much. I love going to the beach. Um, but, and maybe that's why I'm like a little salty right now that I'm, you know, sitting at home by

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Okay, so we need to update on the Gabby Petito case. Actually, it's funny that you brought that up right now because there are pictures of Brian Laundrie's parents being escorted out of their home because they have named the home a crime scene. Correct. So to just back up yesterday after Kill and I recorded, I literally felt like there were so many updates after we pressed the off button that I couldn't keep up and then it was giving me anxiety because I was like, Oh my gosh, we need to add that or we need like, now it's not going to be the most up to date. But I feel like that's part of covering something that is actively going on. There's going to be updates that you're not going to be able to,

you know, be directly on top of. But her body was found God rest her soul. The press conference to me and the FBI being so visibly shaken spoke volumes because I've never seen a press conference like that where an FBI agent was so visibly shaken. I didn't I missed it. So when I by time, I found it because I texted you and asked you what time the press conference was that I got the very, very tail end of it. I had chills like wow, I'm talking about it. I got the very tail end of it. So I didn't even see that part. But just following from the time that we literally pressed stop record stop recording yesterday to cover the case to the announcement, I have felt so uneasy about it. And it's so crazy because we none of us know, we don't know her. And somehow we

are so touched by her story. And, you know, I said on the podcast that I was getting a weird feeling that maybe she was still alive. I followed this take I found this tick tock that basically there was like a fake account. Yes, like created that was supposed to look like it was her. And it was really defending Brian. And the last two when you do like the recovery situation and the last two digits of the number associated with the account were the same as the last two digits of Brian's mom's phone number. And that was so chilling and unsettling to me. Okay, so the Instagram account that you're talking about was commenting on Brian's photo stating that she was fine and then posted on her story rambling about how she's fine and don't go to Brian's family and

make drama basically. And it was just so odd. And then just like very concerned about Brian's family and the outcome. So then this tick tock that you're referencing shows the process of logging out of Instagram and then going back in but using the username of this Instagram account and then hitting forgot the password. And then the email comes up and it starts with G and ends with nine at Gmail. So that the tick tocker said was like obvious as hell that it was Gabby 1999 because that's when she was born. So then you go and type Gabby 1999 hit forget forgot password. The alternate login shows up with the phone number ending in five seven. And then you look up Roberta Laundrie and her information and her own email phone and address and her number matches the ending numbers.

So that to me is insane. And the rumors have been swirling that Roberta made that fake profile. So we don't know if there's any validity to that or if this is like a conspiracy theory or anything. However, it is kind of odd to me that the recovery on that account would be that. Yeah, I it's just weird. It's all bizarre. And I I don't know. I have so many questions and I just want them I just want Brian to talk like I just want him to like turn himself in they're saying that maybe he hurt himself like he went missing and he's at a park and his parents recovered his vehicle and that he may have hurt himself or done something to himself. So I think in this situation that the phone records are going to be very telling I think that's going to tell us if

Brian's parents helped him or not like it will show communications. And at least show if he was in communication with his parents and when that communication started and when it stopped, if it ever stopped. So many of my personal followers have reported to me that an unconfirmed air quotes source reports seeing Gaby with a mail on August 21st. So on August 21st, if you look at the timeline, Brian was in Florida at the time cleaning out the storage unit. Supposedly she was also ordering Uber Eats for two while staying at the fear field in during the time that Brian was away. So if we think back to the fact that they were arguing over the phone, I hate to assume anything, but was Gabby entertaining someone else and then they

got an altercation over this? Who knows? Could they have just gotten an altercation over the amount that she was using her phone? Who knows? However, if any of this is true, that could be motive and the timeline would add up. I was wondering that too. And not to say you can't be entertaining somebody else, but I just thought in my head, maybe it would be very unlikely for it to be about someone else because they so openly post about each other on their social medias. So I just like wasn't sure. But who knows? That's that's the that's the crazy part too, because even if Brian speaks, even if he comes back and he tells the whole story, it's like how much of this is his perception of what went down and how many of it is the actual truth. And I don't something tells

me he's not something tells me he and I don't know if this was like appropriate for me to assume, but like something tells me that he is not going to come back alive. Okay, so back to your point on them searching for Brian, I did read that the search for him concluded it like that reserve or whatever, and that there was nothing to report and that they would not be going back Monday. So I do know that there also have been reports that Brian is schizophrenic, which kind of goes back to, obviously, I can't diagnose him. I'm just a podcaster. So, you know, obviously can't diagnose anyone with mental illness. However, that was the vibes that I was kind of getting about like, was he playing into narratives of things that he was reading? And was he that he he possibly have

something going on mentally? And there have been reports that he is schizophrenic and could have had an episode and possibly lost it. According to Gabby's friends, he was having symptoms of unmedicated schizophrenia and the books that he was reading were talking to him and they were about serial killers. So yeah, that was odd to me too. Because now that this friend has said this, now they're really trying to link these two women and that homicide, they're really trying to link that to him now. Like what, you know, was this a serial killer incident? I at one point thought that he might have had something to do with it. Now I think it's completely unrelated. But again, never know what's going to come out. I do know that the FBI has been at the laundry

house and like you said, they're searching the house they've now considered a crime scene. I just find it again, like I said, so disheartening that the parents could be sitting on so much information. And I cannot for the life of me wrap my head around the fact that he has been allowed not to speak. Like there's been no way for them to get him pulled in to be able to be questioned about anything. Like I feel like there is enough information. And again, he was considered not a suspect, but a person of interest. He showed up back in Florida without his girlfriend in her van. I feel like that's enough for them to call him in for questioning whether he has an attorney and you know, the attorney allows him to speak or not. It's just mind blowing to me.

I wonder if his attorney will still represent him at this point. I don't know. And then also, I find it very strange that the parents have not been charged with anything for like, I don't know what the charges would be, but for knowing information, basically sitting on information and not speaking or giving to help assist law enforcement to be able to solve the crime, like that to me is mind blowing. Yeah, no, I agree with you wholeheartedly agree with you. I just wonder what this is going to, how this is going to unfold in the coming weeks. Is he going to spill all the beans, like come back and spill the beans or is he going to stay gone or or did they say anything about his phone records? Like, is that what they're looking for? Yeah,

I think they're, they're waiting to get the phone records to see, you know, calls or text incoming and outgoing to see who he was in communication with. I mean, I feel like the phone records will tell a lot without telling a lot, right? Like it's going to show who called in, who called out, who text in, who text out, how much communication was going on, if any communication at all. And then I do feel like it will open up an avenue for law enforcement to question his parents because if it shows that there was communication, they can be able to have some type of basis to be able to ask to say, you know, well, on such and such date at such and such and such time, you spoke with him, what was this conversation about? Until they have that and

they can reference something like that. It's just, you know, did you talk to him? Right, right. So I do think the phone records will be very telling and back to the theory of Gabby being with another male, we have no proof that that is true or not true. But supposedly, someone confirmed this, that she was with another male at a convenience store. I believe it was on August 21st and that they got a couple of snacks and then left. And this was the same time she was staying at the Fairfield Inn when Brian was away. So did, was she with someone else? And he found out about it, came back and snapped on her like who knows? Yeah, I don't know. And if he was, if he is or could be schizophrenic, is this something that his parents would speak on? Is this something

that Gabby knew about? Is this something that maybe he went undiagnosed, had like undiagnosed mental health issues or diagnosis? I don't know. Like they're so, it's, the unknown is so unsettling. Well, and people were saying that maybe Brian wasn't the one that killed her. Maybe it was like this other man that she was with, but I don't believe that theory at all. No, I don't believe that theory. Because he, what would be the, what would be the point of him going missing and not speaking? Right. The thing about not speaking speaks volumes to me because if God forbid something happened and like will went missing or something, I would be trying to work with law enforcement as much as possible to give them everything that they

possibly needed to be able to find out what was going on. Right, right. If you have no connection to correct, but I feel like when you have something to hide, and in this case, what was really weird too was that other vlogger or YouTuber or whatever with that video and how they saw the van and then the flip-flop that was like outside of the van that matched Gabby's flip-flop. And then supposedly, if you look close enough in the video, it shows somebody like walking behind trees that they're speculating was Brian. And then it also had been speculated that he had wrapped her in a tarp and taken her to a location, the tarp that he, he claimed that he was like sleeping on or something. It possibly like her body was in it. I'm just like, how do we not have any more answers than what

we have? And how is law enforcement not finding any type of loophole to make anyone speak? How is Brian doing all of this by, are you, you're saying he, and I'm assuming you mean Brian? Yeah, yeah. He was not that much bigger than her and he doesn't look very strong. I don't, I would be very curious to know how he did all of this by himself because that is to think about like a body, a completely limp body. Yes. I thought of that. I don't want to say dead weight because that's like not appropriate. But how was he doing this all by himself? Like, I don't even know. That's, I can't. I don't get it. I do know that the FBI has continually, continuously asked for the public's assistance and sharing, you know, any information through the tip line, 1-800-CALL-FBI.

And I just, okay, so the parent's timeline of like when Brian went missing, I also want to touch on that. Missing on Tuesday, on Wednesday, they drive to the preserve and find a note and air quotes left on the car. What did the note say and why aren't they required to share it? Even if it was from like the preserve, maybe like security or something saying to move the vehicle or whatever, why wouldn't you provide that information? They left the car there on Wednesday so that he could drive it back. They return on Thursday to retrieve the car and then report Brian missing. I think literally 1 million percent that it was an escape plan and his parents are involved. Oh, I 100% think his parents are helping him. 1000% think that his parents are helping him.

Maybe they don't know the extent of it. Maybe they don't really know the full details, but I definitely think that they know some of it and are helping him. I have chills because that's a lot of I'm not helping my as a mom. I'm not that's like, I'm not, I'm just not like I would rather be known as like a snitch that gave up my son in a murder case. But like, I'm not helping my son get away with murder. I'm not, I'm not going to do it. I've thought about this. I've thought about this. If I was in this situation as a parent, I would force my child to cooperate with law enforcement. That doesn't mean that I wouldn't hire my child an attorney. Right, right, right, right. But they would be forced to cooperate.

Like this is insane to me. A lot of people have sent me messages saying that possibly his parents are helping him and don't want him to speak because of his mental illness and because of the schizophrenia that maybe they're trying to help because they know that he emotionally snapped and isn't, isn't mentally right. And so, but a lawyer, a good lawyer is going to help with that. Correct. That's not something that makes you like, why are you wanting to help them, you know, run away versus having explaining the situation if that were the case. And if, if that were the truth, you would have documents to prove all of these things. Like he is schizophrenic or he is, you know, there is an imbalance or something along those lines. Like you wouldn't,

you would have. And why would the parents not come out? If he is truly diagnosed schizophrenic, why would his parents not go to law enforcement and say, Hey, this is what we, we know our child is schizophrenic. He suffers from mental illness. These are things that we have seen in the past. This was, you know, when he showed up at home, this is the phone calls that we had provide some type of information like you, these parents are going to be charged and should be right, right? At this point, they should be, but I did see that they're actually back on the property. So that didn't take long for them to treat it like a crime scene and move out on either. They didn't find anything or they found everything that they needed, but they're back on, they're back on

the property. You have to consider that there wouldn't have been enough time based off of the timeline for Gabby to have been there, right? So what they're looking for is probably like laptops, tablets, um, like electronics, anything, any type of clothing that might have those types of things. I think is probably what, what they're looking for. You know, they're not probably taping off like a murder scene or, you know, something. Right. Right. One thing that I did want to touch on before we go is I have seen this thing going around Instagram and Twitter. It says stop using Gabby Petito in her case and as excuse to say that we need to teach our daughters to leave toxic and abusive relationships, teach your sons not to be abusive, teach your sons to take no for an

answer, teach your sons to be and do better. Um, I feel like okay to both of those, right? Like we do need people who do have daughters, do need to teach their daughters to leave toxic and abusive relationships and be able to have an open communication to feel safe, to be able to assist them in doing that if they find themselves in the situation. But we also do need to teach our sons, you know, not to be abusive, to take no for an answer and to be and do better. Like all of that above is collectively true. Right. Right. Absolutely. I agree. Um, but also it is hard sometimes if, if someone doesn't disclose, if there is mental health issues at play or, you know, you don't really know somebody, you just never know either, you know, um, unfortunately for

this situation, I do think that there, there are other factors and you could tell by, you know, the domestic, um, situation that happened where the cops were called while they were driving. And so this to me seems like there was, there were, there was definitely factor other factors, but I agree with all of it. You have to, you have to do both. Um, but also you can't, I mean, I think of situations that I've been in, it's like, you can raise someone to be, to your, to the best of your ability. And at 25, 26, 27 years old, they're not, they're abusive or they, you know, you can't, that's not how we're raising them. You get what I'm saying? Right. Just because, you know, you raise them to the best of your ability doesn't

mean that they're going to continue to be that way outside of your raising, you know, so. Right, right. At some point they do make their own choices and it's out of your hands. So, um, but I don't know what the, with the parents not cooperating, I don't, I don't have a good feeling about that situation. That's for sure. I don't have a good feeling about it either, but I'm sure there'll be a lot of updates between now and Monday when we record next, because that's almost, that's a week. So we will keep you guys, um, updated as much as we possibly can. Um, we'll be updating on coffee combos podcast, Instagram story as much as we possibly can. And make sure that you guys follow our stories, um, this week when this episode releases so that

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