Coffee Convos with Kail Lowry and Lindsie Chrisley - 2025 Might Take Us Out

Episode Date: December 11, 2025

Lindsie and Kail are picking a fight over the right way to put on a toilet roll, and Lindsie surprises us all by explaining why she doesn't believe in having a trash can in her bathroom (psycho behavior y'all). Then, the conversation takes a turn to the frustrating lack of transparency in influencer culture—from faked hikes to curated lives. Also, is it truly insane for a married couple to have separate finances? The trusty finance guru Kristen chimes in! Lastly, Kail and Lindsie share their strong opinions on normalizing public breastfeeding and a teacher's viral pumping story.Thank you to our sponsors!Progressive: Visit Progressive.com to learn more!Rocket Money: Cancel unwanted subscriptions by going to RocketMoney.com/COFFEECONVOSSKIMS: Check out our favorite pajamas at https://www.skims.com/See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

I hate gift giving and receiving. Receiving gifts is so weird. What do you say thank you? This is coffee convoes with Kail Lowry and Lindsay Crisley. I really want you to be in your feels, Kail. That does not interest me whatsoever. I feel very attacked by you. A spirited discussion about motherhood, friendship, family, and life in the public eye.

I'm just not with the fakery anymore. There's a fakery bakery around here. Here's Kail and Lindsay. Good morning. Good morning, kitty cat. Welcome to Coffee Convus podcast. Can I pick a fight? Why do people leave Tollet Rolls in the bathroom like this and you go to pee and you have nothing to wipe yourself with? That irks my soul or they just set it right on top of the holder and it's like you literally could change the,

I literally will go into a public establishment, use the bathroom and I will just change the role. Like I just do it. Like why do other people not do this? Also, I dated someone one time that told me that their ex-wife um put the role like this and like instead of it coming from the top she fed it where it came from the bottom does that make sense yeah yeah yeah like over or under yeah that would bother me at all i don't give a that bothers me christian said corey fucking does that like why like did your mom not teach you how to put it on no literally it's so infuri because it's so stupid why does this look like this like i'm just wondering like it looks like i have the ferret that i want that i don't have the ferret did that like what the fuck is this i don't want

what is wiping my coochie to touch the floor yeah but that doesn't matter if it comes from over or under like no matter what direction i i don't I don't, I will never understand why somebody would feed the toilet roll where you're like getting it this way. Um, my kids in their bathroom have a toilet paper holder. It's like mounted to the wall and it's just a thing that goes like this. And then the toilet roll goes this way. Oh, yeah. Yeah. So you're going that way. Yeah. They just pull it out like this. So it's like maybe that's the solution is everybody just does that. Can we also just discuss like with children? Why sometimes you go into a bathroom and it looks like there's like shit on the toilet lid. Like, why does that happen? Like, why was your butthole not aimed? Like, how did it get there?

I think when they, like, scoot off, it, like, comes, like, goes on the lid. All I know is yesterday when Creed was shitting, he used a brand new, unopened pack of dude wipes and used every single. wipe inside the brand new container. And they were all in the trash can. Oh, with shit on them? Yeah. Oh, yeah. No. I use flushable wipes and it's probably not great for the pipes, you know? If it says they're flushable and there's not, if it ends up not being great for the pipes, you know where to go. They're getting flushed. If I went into the bathroom and saw that there was, oh, this is a psychopoeuvre. pathing that I do. I don't have, I do not have trash cans in my bathroom. Why? Why do we need to do that? Like, why do we need to have trash cans in the bathroom? Like, why can't tampons? No,

I'm bringing my tampon stick with like the sleeve over it and I'm bringing it to my kitchen trash can. Why? Because why does that need to be just like hanging out and marinating in bathroom for that long. I take the trash out in my kitchen every single day, like at night before I go to bed. Why do we need to just let like bloody tampons and shit marinate? Listen, then what I'm about to say is about to rock your world because you're going to be disgusted with me. From the time I get my period. Okay. Until the time it ends, I'm not changing the bathroom trash because I might as well just wait like it's just all kinds of bloody products so i'm not going to change that a hundred times just that doesn't bother you at all i mean yeah i don't love it but what is the like i have two

trash cans in my bathroom i have a full size one like the size that you would keep in your bathroom with a lid and i put a kitchen trash bag size trash bags in it and that's the other thing please do not fucking come around me and you don't put liners in your trash bags. I don't care if it's a one gallon trash bag. Put a fucking liner in it. I do not want to pick shit off the bottom of a trash can. I hate that shit. Like hotels do it.

And I'm like, okay, I get it because saving money and the environment. But like also people are disgusting in hotels and like what like put a bag in it. Like literally put a bag in it. So I have a little tiny trash can next to the toilet. Because my, my master bathroom, when you walk into the bathroom, the toilet area has a door. And I have a trash can in there for like tampon products and stuff. But I'm like, there's literally no sense in changing it because every single day, there's going to be bloody products in there.

So when I have my period, which is coming, I'm not changing it for like three, four days until it slows down enough because I'm going to be changing it every single day. But then I also have. Well, I am so afraid of like bugs and germs and shit. like that that a trash can in a bathroom literally sends me over the edge like they're just going to attract bugs yeah like for example gatorades like gatorade bottles or something we know that if there's a trash can that's in the bathroom and somebody's had a gatorade in a bedroom they're likely going to put it in the trash can in the bathroom so are bugs going to come like I would lose sleep

I am telling you right now, I probably need to go to a psychiatrist, but like I would lose sleep knowing that there was trash in the bathroom. Here's a couple of solutions. You could get trash cans that have lids. You could also get trash cans that have lids and then put them under the cabinet. So it's like all those like further barriers that the bugs probably wouldn't smell them. But also, I personally have never had a bug problem from having. trash cans in the bathroom it's probably never going to happen it is like a irrational fear fear

like there's going to get fucking bugs there and i just don't understand like i don't want to walk around the house and clean out trash cans every single day i just clean out my main trash can every single day and that's it everything goes into the main trash can is your bathroom upstairs like my master bath yeah so like if i'm on my period i will take my like okay let's say for example i change my tampon in the middle of the night i will put the sleeve like back over it probably put it on my counter when i wash my hands and then if i don't want to come downstairs i will take it down there in the morning but like it's not staying in the bathroom But it's sitting in the bathroom overnight.

So for that, you might as well to just put a trash can in there. I know, but then I would have to clean out the trash can in the morning. Like, this is a, Kail, this is a whole thing. Like, we would break up. Oh. Like, we would absolutely break up. I also never understood, like, the diaper genie, like, type situation. I never got behind the diaper genie.

Like, why are we concealing shit diapers for weeks? Although, so we have, I have a black stone, like the thing that you can do, like, homemade habachi and stuff on grill um we have that outside and then next to that we have a trash can like a full size trash can not like a dumpster trash can but like a kitchen like a pound cool one um i don't care rain or shine i throw the diapers in there like i go out out back on the church and throw the diapers away outside so what i used to do with diapers was you know like the grocery bags yep the plastic ones Delaware doesn't have them anymore You can't get trash bags or plastic grocery bags in Delaware anymore.

That's so wild. Everything about your state's wild, but that's one of the wildest things that I've ever heard. I would be pissed off. I would use those and put the diapers in that and then put it in my main trash can and then take that out every single day. Yeah, just so that the smell and everything is concealed inside of the bag. The diaper genie people are like a specific like cluster of folks, you know? Oh, I can't even imagine the smell just like fermenting in a room. You want to talk about me and my fuck shit?

Oh, yeah, I for sure do. Okay, so I'm not going to tell you who, but the text that I just got, just finish a meeting, going to go work out really quick. Do you want to have lunch, have to put together a presentation? Then the following text message that I receive, are we stupid for this? like the fact i was that too no it's not it's not him the fact that we have to ask are we stupid for this we absolutely have lost our fucking minds nope not that one either what yep wait so are you going to do it yeah yeah i am i am going to do it yeah but why why are just like

Relationship so hard. Relationship are so hard. Kristen said Kail's living vicariously, the look in her eyes. Because this was me once upon a time. And I just, you know what? I love this for you because the difference is that you're not having babies with all of yours. And so it's more fun that way. You know, I think that having a baby might quite literally be the last thing that would wipe me off the face of this planet.

So definitely need to be careful. in that area of life because I'm not prepared in any way, shape, or form to do that at any time, actually. Like, um, however, however, I have to tell you that I was not home last night. Where were you? Somewhere. I was somewhere. I was at someone's house. Same person?

And the same person. And I got caught this morning by my child. Oh, location? Yep. Isn't it crazy how like our relationship with our kids just change as time goes on is like they start to like infiltrate like places that we specifically kept them out of and then they like on and they know what's going on and then they figure it everything out. But like, I don't feel like we were like that as kids, were we? I wasn't. But also,

you have to consider that, like, there wasn't cell phones with locations. There wasn't really cell phones. There was, if your parents said they were going somewhere, you believed it, and you maybe had the phone number to call that place. But if not, you just waited until they came home. We are truly breeding the nosiest generation of children. And with so interesting is that on one side it's like completely justified like we'll be like well we have to have your location because we need to know where you are and we need to make sure you're safe and there's this and there's that and then on the other side it's like no they're really nosy like it's just there is no real justification they're just nosy no when I tell you my child is so nosy that my

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He knows, okay, this is the other thing that is crazy. He knows the passwords to absolutely everything. So, like, one time I saw him, he was trying to get on his PlayStation account, and I was like, that's connected to your dad's Gmail, so you've got to contact your dad. And he was like, oh, don't worry about it. I'll log in his Gmail. What? Yeah.

And just, like, logging into Will's Gmail on my phone, like, on my freaking phone. And I'm like, this feels illegal. Wait, why does he know the password? Like, he just knows them? Yeah, he just knows them. Like, okay, are you the type of person that has the same password for like everything? No, I used to be that person. And now I have a fucking spreadsheet of passwords because I can't remember all the crazy

fucking passwords I use because my kids were figuring them out. Okay, so I also have a spreadsheet of passwords, but mine are like, basically all the same password with possibly one variation. Yes. Because I've forgotten the password or it said it's wrong. So I had to like change it. But I changed it to something that is almost like identical to that. Kristen said, let's not do you want to get hacked?

Like passwords are crazy. No one will ever. No one's going to know. No one's ever going to know. Like no. That's just the bottom line. Nobody's ever going to figure it out. but will that guy has had the same password to everything since he got a bank account

like since online banking became a thing he has had this same password like for his email for any social media like whatever i could hack that man right now listen i have an ex like that and he's lucky i haven't got into it now and he's lucky i haven't tried to hack him in hack into his stuff You're like, I will see all of your text messages. Like, I actually have zero business. We're talking about having nosy kids, but we're the nosiest bitches that I know. Oh, truly, truly. But wait, I, when I was scrolling over the weekend on TikTok University.

You know that's a TikTok University. Yes, that's where I learn everything. Came across this lady, this woman, and she was telling her story about how she was hiking or running in California and she watched an influencer set up a tripod, pretend to run, pretend to go on this hike, and then literally fold up her tripod, get in her car and leave. How do we feel about that? Because we talked about... I saw this video and I'm pretty sure she said that the girl was describing like what the

girl looked like and said that she was driving a Tesla or something, didn't she? Kristen, can you play the video? I'm pretty sure if we're talking about the same video. Well, I just think it's funny because it's like LTK, we talked about going in a dressing room, trying on an outfit, not buying it and linking it. I know. It pisses me all. It doesn't bother me, but this, I feel like, bothers me. I've never witnessed this before in my life, but I just did.

I just saw a girl. I'm at a really hard trail, by the way, like a really, really hard one. And she pulls up into Tesla as I'm finishing my ride. She pulled up. She sets up a fucking tripod at the trailhead as if she was like finishing her thing and like showing off her outfit like did the little like kick your foot up. She had long hair, brown, brown long hair. It was like perfect. She was like wearing like kind of workout clothes, but she clearly wasn't working out. And I'm like and then she drove away. She showed up, set up her tripod, did a little get ready with me kind of like let's go hike. And then she fucking left. I'm floored. That. And then here. I am. I just did 10 miles with 3,300, 3,400 feet of climbing. I've already going to know why this pisses you off. Why? Okay. So remember like way back when when we were talking about like these curated photo shoots and they're being couches like in a field or a farm and you're like, why would that like ever make sense, right? It's kind of giving that. Like it's just for, it's just like strictly for

the photo. And like, it really pisses me off. Like some influencers really piss me off. I have such a love, hate relationship with all of like the influencers and content creators because Kristen and I have gone through so many conversations about like what category I, like trying to find my place on these platforms in the world we live in today. Like am I a content creator? Am I an influencer? Am I a girl who was just on TV? And we've come to the conclusion that I'm a girl that was just on TV. I'm not, I don't fall into either category of influencer or content creator. But with that being said, I do consume social media. And so I am influenced. I follow comfort creators and things like that. But also knowing what goes into content creation,

I always wonder who is genuine and who is not. Because when you are talking about someone's livelihood and like you're influencing what they do and what you know they're looking to you for comfort and guidance and you're just blatantly lying about you know maybe they look to you as like a workout inspiration maybe they're looking at what you're doing and they really believe in this and they want to do it and and you're inspiring to do that and only to find out that you never did that trail like that's upsetting it's the lack of transparency I think like if you're trying to get a cute photo. Okay, but like as somebody that probably would have done the trail and if I looked like the girl that was on that video just now and she looks like she's done a full blown

workout and someone's out there with fresh blown out hair extensions and a full face of makeup and being a poser, I'm pissed. Yeah, because and I know that some people will argue, well, regardless of that person, they still inspired you and you still did the work. And it's like, yeah, no doubt but like who who do we believe at this point like who what do we how do we at what point do we draw the line and then who how do we decide who we believe if we don't even know like if they're being honest about what they're doing so I actually had a conversation with Kristen not too long ago about like moving into 2026 and you and I basically grew up with social media specifically Instagram, being like this curated, like mapped out situation. And I think a lot of

people like have not moved away from that. And it's been very hard for me to do that as well because aesthetically, like I like something to look a certain way. But no longer now for me at the expense of it not being real. I don't feel like you ever posted stuff that like wasn't real. Yeah, but it's like, remember like back in like, my photography days, like, when I used to, like, love to take family photos and shit. Yeah. And so, yes, I would, like, hire professional photographer and, like, do that, but it was genuinely because I wanted the family photos and I was just, like, sharing them with everyone

else, but I very much feel like a lot of people that are in the influencing space, it's just like this vibe of it's not obtainable. No. I think that we have to move away from that. I mean, even Avery Woods, Emily Kaiser, people like that have, I want to know, like, what do they do on a day-to-day basis, like, without the edits? What do you mean? Like, like, what they're doing at their house? Like, what do you, like, what do you do?

Like, are you working out? Are you doing this? Are you doing? I don't know what I don't know what I'm trying to say. I guess maybe because I don't really follow, like, I'm not following workout people to, like, learn how to work out. I'm not following people for, like, the stuff they have. Like, I mainly get sweeped up by, like, fucking Facebook marketing on, like, I don't know. Like, I don't know what I'm trying to say.

It's so weird. Like, the whole content creator, influencer space, like, all of it is so weird, but it is a little bit frustrating for me because it's like, okay, you go pretend that you're doing this trail and you're, you know, showing off your workout outfit to hopefully get a couple. missions off of the off of the outfit you don't you don't like why can't we just take a picture like an our mirror no literally just put the workout set on yeah and you don't have to pretend you worked out to sell the workout outfit if it's cute people will buy it and I think that that's my biggest problem with stuff like that because even like a day in the life like I feel like you're so good about it like you just take like little snapshots of what's going on in your life.

And for me to do that, I'm not. I have a hard time with that because I have had a really hard, like I was saying before, like having a really hard time and like where I am in the creator space is like I've tried my day in the lives and they do not hit the same way that other people's day in the lives hit. And it is a little surprising to me because I do have seven kids. I have a million jobs. I, you can't, I don't have the same day twice.

There's never a same day, two days in a week. And so like trying to figure out how to do that and like show people what it's like or I don't know. Like maybe it's because I don't have anything to offer with the day in the life. Like it's not like I'm showing you something that is like new or like innovative or like I don't know. Mine just don't hit the same way other people's do. I mean, I just I could never, if I'm doing stuff, it's like I'm legitimately doing it. so I'm not walking around with my phone, cleaning baseballs and videoing it. You know what I mean?

Like, I wish I could get better at doing stuff like that because I do think that there is a space for like cleaning hacks and like shit like that. But things that are are usable for people, right? Like, not just like doing it to just take a fucking video. What I will tell you is really fun is doing packing videos and it actually helps you pack. I see, I've tried that too. I think that I'm just not, I don't know. And it's weird because when I left teen mom, I got out of the space of filming regularly, I thought like I had so many conversations about coming back to the show or doing my own show.

I was under contract to do my own show. And when I really sat and thought about it, I was like, I'm no longer in that headspace. Now at the end of 2025, after the fuck year that I, had. I am not, it's almost like I'm not in the space to create quality content. I'm so far removed from it at this point. So that's been really challenging for me to accept is that I am not somebody who people look to for social media content. And that makes me question, who am I? What am I worth? What do I have to offer people? What can I do now? I mean, it's, It's hard because it almost is like a rebirth, right?

Like you're going to be going through a rebirthing process of your whole life and sitting yourself down and being like, okay, what is it that like I want to provide? Like you have to think about stuff from a consumer standpoint, right? Like what do people want to see? Things that help them, things that are positive. Like I feel like people listen to podcasts. If they're listening to like podcasts like this, um, They're listening. Kristen's made a good point. People like to see problems so that they can be able

to relate to them. People don't want to see just all the good stuff all the time. And the problem with that is that my kids are old enough now. I can't talk about certain problems. There's two ideas that I really want to work on going into 2026, which is showing people how much I'm spending on groceries as a family of nine, what we're cooking regularly. That's something I want to work on in 2026, something that I have been talking about. Those are like very relatable things that other people are going through, right? And I've taken it back to like the hiking video. I don't relate to that at all.

And like I don't want to run a bakery bakery. Like I don't like that at all. No. Like what the fuck are we doing out here? Um, Kristen said, who the fuck is hiking in 2025? Like, I'm crying in my bed. I'm in the cave that Joe said I belong in in 2011. That's where I.

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like just out and about, like if it's a mom in a restaurant or I've seen a mom in a mall and people walking by and like gawking or saying like she needs to cover up or whatever, like my kid shouldn't be exposed to that. How do you feel? Boobes were meant to feed babies. If you are uncomfortable with my boob feeding my baby, I do not give a fuck. That is a you problem. That's not a me problem. One time Kail took me to a breastfeeding group, I had never in my life seen more tities in one place and I was vibed. Facts.

Like I was in a breastfeeding group because I struggled with breastfeeding Lincoln. If someone is sexualizing boobs, whether it's a man or a woman, I truly don't care. That's a you problem. I really don't care. I would not cover up when I breastfed either because why should I be uncomfortable? My baby is basically suffocating to try to eat. And now you want me to put a hot fucking cover over the both of us.

So I'm sweating. He's sweating. We're uncomfortable. It's one more fucking thing. I'll tell you, my cousin had me go sit in her bedroom at her own house because she didn't want me to breastfeed around her husband. And to me, like, I can't, I personally cannot understand.

I would never be offended if you had a baby because the likelihood of you having a baby versus me having a baby is far greater. If you came to my house and Jackson was here and you needed to breastfeed your child in no way, shape, or form, would that be uncomfortable for you to pull your titty out? I just don't, like, I remember when I was young and we were, my mom's husband at the time took us to, I want to say seaside, New Jersey or Wildwood, New Jersey, something like that. My mom's husband, Jim, we were walking on the beach and all the adults in front of me and Jim's niece were talking about somebody was in a bikini while they were pregnant. And they were like mortified. I mean, this was like early 2000s, but now it's a trend to like... I feel like it wasn't as acceptable just because nobody was doing it back in that time.

But now I feel like the way people are styling bumps and stuff today, I think is so cute for the bump to just be like out. Yeah, I love it. And honestly, the same thing goes for like breastfeeding. Like, I don't care if you take family pictures breastfeeding. Like, I don't care. Like, to me, that is so cool. And you're giving your baby the best thing that you can. That was my assessment.

What did he say about a countertop? He said, you need to be extra strong tomorrow so you can help me move this countertop. What is he doing, renovation? His own renovations, honey. Okay, well. Renovations. Is it taken before and after picks or what? Oh, yeah.

I have them. Will should not be doing renovations at all. Okay. Because now he needs me to help him move a countertop, and I'm all of 105 fucking pounds. I would love to see the before and afters. Do you want me to take a video of us moving this countertop? Yes. I need you to selfie style, put it on a tripod.

I need to see it. Okay. Let's talk about people coming back, okay? Because the same thing occurred to me this morning, not with an ex, but with a former friend. And it's so interesting to me, how someone can read you for fucking Phil and basically just rip you to shreds to turn around and come back. It's like, what were you thinking? Like, you should have thought about that and you loving our friendship or relationship or whatever it is. You should have thought about all of that before you're now doing what you're currently doing.

Like, people always spin the block. Like, that is wild work. It's always been in the block. Somebody did that to you? Yes. Did you respond? No. If we're going to do this again, why did we break up in the first place? No, it's just like they're bored. So, but like that bad of a person if they're trying to spin back around. Like, are we, we're, you know what, 20, 25 might take us out. Okay, so this article was talking about this teacher going viral for pumping breast milk while she's teaching

in her class and it says that her students respond with maturity and respect. helping to normalize breastfeeding in everyday life. I feel like that that really, like, speaks to our society growing. I think when you make things normal, like when you just do them as if they're normal, that is, one, sets the standard. And two, like, it really is a teaching moment. And I'm sorry that if a parent is offended by that, I'm not sorry. Like, I don't feel bad.

I'm not here to justify it or, like, make you feel bad. better about it. If she's pumping. These also were not like elementary school kids. These were high school kids. So I'm like, let's be realistic here. If we've been through sex ed classes and all that shit, why does it matter at that point? Like we know what's going on. I agree with you. I completely agree. I mean, my kids know what breastfeeding is right now. And I was so surprised the other day, Valley. Valley has this one. They're twins, actually, twin dolls. One's a boy and one's a girl. We got them from Target. So if anyone's looking for twin babies. And she carries the boy around as if it's her son. I. That's so funny. She picked the baby up a certain way. And I looked at my friend and I was like, I just know she's about to breastfeed this baby. Like she's a, I just, but she didn't. And I would have been so like excited and encouraging of that because it's like, yeah, like that is normal. And, like, if we just normalize things like that from the beginning of time, there would be no controversy by the time these kids get into high school and they see it. Do you know what I'm saying?

Like, I don't know. And like, like, live with the mentality of, like, why do we give a fuck what somebody else is doing? Like, if it doesn't involve you, don't involve yourself. Here's the thing. If you don't want to see it, you can look another way. Yep. You know, it sounds crazy, but wild literally look other way. concept. You know what I mean?

It's another way when your husband's cheating on you, but you won't look the other way when someone's breastfeeding in front of you. Yeah, that's pretty fucked up, dude. Kristen, do the Rio. What's that? Rio always goes, what's that? What's that sound? It's like, it's just somebody breastfeeding. Oh, all right. That's so cute. Wait, can we talk about kids like playing with stuff? Because I think it is the most fascinating thing to watch little kids play and it's probably very fascinating for you because you have two that are the same age that probably play very differently so differently like verse has

no interest in baby dolls and at first valley didn't really either but i don't know if it's just like the more she get like people gift them to her for her birthday i don't know if it's like the more she sees them she decided to pick them up and play with them but she carries these babies around like they are her children um and then verse he's just like a very like mechanic person, a mechanical little guy. So he wants to, like, fix stuff or, like, put stuff inside of other things. And then Rio is just, oh, my God, just dinosaurs and airplanes all day, every day. And then also he just stomps through the house.

Like, he, like, fucking, it's so fascinating to me. It really, like, to your point, like, it really is so fascinating how different. Just people in general. I want to know why your family does that tradition. I want to know, like, do y'all yell? at each other, who gets in trouble? How do your parents discipline you? Like, I want to know all the things. Again, that's us being nosy because I want to know the same stuff about everybody too. And it's like, what business do I have to know that information? Like, I legitimately don't. But I don't

want to talk shit about it. I'm just fascinated. Like, how do? Or even like, okay, this is going to be really weird and I hope that nobody like reads into it too much. I want to know the ins and outs of your previous relationship like how did you decide to do finances that way like what how did you guys decide who was going to cook and who was not how did you guys decide like do you get what i mean like i want to know and i'm not asking because like how did you get like where you're at literally like i and i just want to know how did you guys get there like did you guys like it was whoever was home cooked first how did you guys like who did the grocery shopping did you guys go together did you go separate? How did you guys split the finances? Did you guys one of you guys pay the rent and the other guy the other one pay their utility? Like how does like explain everything? I want to know. Listen, I feel like knowing stuff about other people's relationship. Like I don't want to just know it like to talk about it. I want to know because I'm like, is there something that I have done wrong that maybe they have right? Because they seem like somewhat normal and more functioning than what I was.

was. So I'm like, what, what is it that they're doing? Especially when there's like a pay discrepancy. Like, to me, a percentage makes more sense because it's equal because we're both contributing 20%. Mm-hmm. The percentage thing definitely makes sense to me. Like, I've never understood, okay, I am probably going to get raked over the coals for this, but like I don't understand the... What did you just say? Raked over the coals. I've never heard that in my life. Wait, what? I've never understood, like, in a marriage to have separate finances, but you're all paying for the same shit. You know what I'm saying? It's like, it doesn't matter what way it's coming out. Like, why are we separating all the things? Now, I do, I do think that it's, like, good for you to have, like, a little kitty, you know, for the things that you specifically want to do. So for me, it would be like nails, facials, hair. A lot. stuff like that for somebody else it's probably like their gym membership and fuck i don't know going to the bar i have no idea based off of my history um i don't understand separating the finances

and the like paying each other i'm also fascinated by that um i know a couple um terribly miserable couple, but they Not really miserable. No, no, no, very miserable couple. And that may have something to do with it, or maybe it doesn't. Maybe before when they were happy, it was the same way. I don't know. Two children.

One parent pays for everything of that child and the other parent pays for everything of that child. And then they split things. Like, for example, like a birthday party, they might go have zies or depending on which child it's for, one parent might. might pay for the whole thing. But they're, they're married. I just don't see how that makes sense. I don't see how the entire relationship makes sense. Like, honestly, it's none of my business and it's not mine either. Other people's finances and the way they do stuff is not our business. It's just like

fascinating. Let's make it make sense. Okay. For example, when I was married, like we had one account that all the money went into and like it wasn't like, oh, Lindsay paid for this or like Will paid for this. It was just it got paid. I literally don't, I don't get it. Am I making sense? No, yes. Like, same. I just, it's so fascinating to me. And it's not my business. It absolutely is not, but it's fascinating. Like, I'm, I think the example that I just gave, I judge a little bit because I'm like, what the fuck? All right, y'all, we have recently talked about mattresses, our favorite mattresses, but I'm going to elaborate more and talk about. pajamas and what we wear to bed actually affects the quality of our sleep at this age um linds

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my skim set and I just felt like you know I was that girl oh I love it I just got the cypress green sleep set and then the light heather gray um i love them so much i had to get two colors i love it this is y'all signed to shop your favorite pajamas at skims dot com after you place your order be sure to let them know that we sent you select podcasts in the survey and be sure to select our show in the drop down menu that follows if you are looking for the perfect gifts for everyone on your list the skims holiday shop is now open at skims dot com i do think that it's true though that a lot of people deal with like different types of spinning habits like with their partners like maybe somebody has a gambling issue or maybe somebody has like an excessive

spinning issue and one person's making this and another person's making that and they put it all in one pot and then it gets like gambled away like I can see why people would separate finances in a situation like that like I'm just talking about like the general normal fucking people who do normal shit why are we separating it out that's why I'm saying it is like Kristen can you you're married you are currently married and you're in a happy committed healthy relationship y'all own a house can you please tell us how you and Corey do your finances absolutely so Corey and I came into the relationship and moved in together when we were just dating and at that time he had his own accounts I had my own accounts we started

a joint checking account at that time, and we were both putting in everything that was needed for bills, food, going out, all of those things. Basically, we were putting it. So basically essentially everything, almost everything we made was going in there. You guys put both of your paychecks in there. Yeah. So, well, no, we didn't have our payments go there, but we put money in to cover all of the crap. So essentially, same difference. He missed paying his car payment the first month we moved in together. Wait, wait, wait, wait. Did you, like, each put in, like, if the bill was $100, did you each put in 50 or you basically put in your entire checks? We put in basically our entire checks minus whatever we designated to our own savings accounts. Okay, so joint checking.

Yeah. So we, exactly. So Corey also had his own checking at that time. So did I from like just having money before coming into living together. He was insistent on his, car pay like he could take care of his own car payment whatever whatever i didn't have a car payment so he did so he missed paying the car payment the first month we moved in together i said that's it we're fucking done now it's joint and i don't care and he was like thank god like i don't want to do this again so at that point he closed all his accounts i moved him over to like my accounts and everything is has been joint from there on so all of our money goes into the same account and it just gets divvied out at that time we have like parameters on like don't spend over and

a certain amount of money unless it's holidays without checking with the other person, whether that be on your credit card or straight out of the checking. We are big people who like put everything on credit cards to get points and we pay the credit cards off. Like that's what we do. So that's what we do. And we've just been joint and people think it's so weird. Like his friend group thinks it's insane.

No, that. No, they all are joint because they don't do it that way. But that makes sense to me because at the point that you are sharing, you live in the same house like you all own it we have a joint house account too with my mom i knew that yeah which i love but um to your point about like the car payment and stuff like at the end of the day when you're married and i'm not talking about all relationships but like specifically when you're married and you've already made that commitment if he misses a car payment it does kind of affect you as the wife or vice versa right like if i missed a car payment it's going to affect my partner and i might have to ask them for help

anyway. So to me, that makes sense. Like, okay, we have separate savings because, you know, my financial advisor and Kristen have always told me to make sure I have six months of savings to cover all my bills, whatever. I'm never going to dip into that account. But like, separate to that, like, if you miss a car payment, I don't, I don't want my partner to miss a car payment. And what the fuck does it matter if it comes out of my money or your money? If we're together and in this for the long haul. But I think a lot of people don't think like that. I think that's why people separate it out. I think that we all are on the same playing field when it comes to this. And other people are like, no, if you miss your car payment, that's your

responsibility and not mine. And I'm not paying for that. Like I guess none of us, what it sounds like in a relationship are financially, want to be greedy. But that also can come with like privilege or financial literacy where some people don't have the resources. to have that. But, like, I'm thinking about bigger picture, right? When I did marriage boot camp, there was one drill. And it's, to this day, I swear to God, it changed my perception of everything. Hobby and I are throwing balls, medicine balls, back and forth, back and forth.

And they're heavy, right? And ultimately, you argue, argue, argue, argue. Whoever ends up with the ball, fine, whatever, I'll take the blame for this, even though it wasn't my fault. The end of the night, we both had balls. and we both had to carry them up a hill together. At the end of the day, in a relationship, like I'm not talking about,

oh, we've dated for six months. That's not what I'm talking about. So don't fucking comment in here saying that. I'm talking the committed relationships, the marriages, all of the things, your baggage becomes my baggage. So if you use your car payment once,

twice, four times, it becomes my problem. So at that point, put the money together in one account and you can still have separate savings. Like, I don't understand why it has to be harder than that. And I will be so curious to see what people comment because I know they create threads at our Facebook group.

I want to hear what people have to say about it because there has to be something that we're missing. Like, we must be missing something. We've got to be missing something because we're all thinking the exact same thing, but I already know that the thread's going to be long and it's going to be wild and we're going to be told that we're wrong. Yeah, no doubt. Like, I already know this.

I just feel like, okay, looking back on it, we did have a savings account that certain of my income went to and that was more for like saving for like vacations and stuff right so like all of our vacation stuff would be paid out of that specific savings account but every bill car payment um membership to something whatever came out of a joint account christen says my parents did the same shit they had one checking and multiple joint different types of savings yes I also, just pro tip here, if y'all ever get married again or are in long-term relationships, Corey and I just broke down and made a joint email account so that we could

transfer all of our subscriptions to that account. God forbid, basically it's really for him, because if I die, he's so fucked. But so he knows all the, so he knows all, let's make a list of everyone who's fucked if I die. I'm definitely high on the list. We did. Also. We did. But why Lindsay and I are more fucked than Corey, to be honest. My mom is still kicking. He's okay. If my mom's not, he's in big, big trouble. We did just make a joint email account because I was like, great, I'm going to switch

all of the bill notifications to that account and all of the subscriptions and stuff to that account. That way, you're not going through four of my email accounts trying to figure out all the things. God forbid, I become incapacitated. That is so smart. I actually love that. Also, put things in your living will.

I cannot stress. I told my sister when she was visiting about the living will. This was so funny. What? She looks at her and goes, um, Michaela, who gets Blakely if something happens to you and your husband? Because I was just worried.

Your niece is so cute. I, first of all, I feel like she looks like me, but maybe that's just like wishful thinking. No, I think she does too. You do? Okay. Maybe it's just like her hair color and like her complexion and stuff,

but I see myself in her. maybe it's just Raymond's really strong jeans, but I literally looked at my sister and I'm like, who gets Blakely because that's my girl? But also her husband works a lot and my sister's family is very wealthy. So I was like, you should do a living will like to make sure. But like put all the stuff in there, you know? Oh my God. I have to tell you this thing. It was like trending. I initially saw it on TikTok University, if that's what we're calling it. But I found a people article about it. It's about a man finding out that his mom has been reading his text messages with his girlfriend, 27 years old. He shares this on Reddit. He moves back home to live with his mom after

needing time to save for like, save money and he was changing jobs. So he enjoys spending time with his mom, but he notes that she's got this thing where she needs to know everything about my life. In a quote, he says, when I was a kid, she'd read my notebooks, check my drawers, that kind of kind of stuff. I figured that she had grown out of it, but no. Last week, the man left his phone charging on the kitchen counter and when he came back, he saw his mom was reading his text messages and scrolling through his messages with his girlfriend. When he confronted her, she replied, if you don't have secrets, what's the problem? However, he told her the problem was about privacy, not secrets. I, the way, here's the thing, I'm really weird about my phone

and it stems from used to being a cheater and I'm not a cheater anymore. there is nothing on my phone in this moment that I would not want, like that I would care if anyone read. But it's the point that this is my phone. These are my conversations. I don't want anyone reading what's in my phone, let alone my parent. Like, okay, so I do know someone that has done this as a parent. Mm-hmm.

Not going to say who, but it doesn't matter, like, whose phone would be laying around. Like, they're going to be in it. right now I can tell you my phone is diabolical like I want nobody to be in it we are not playing the game of read your last text we're not getting into that I just think that that is such an invasion of privacy and in fact like I wouldn't do that to my partner like unless I had like an inkling of something and it would have to be like a strong inkling like I know it going on and I just need to find it. But I'm not even doing that to my partner. No, I agree. I agree. Like, it's just weird. It's so fucking weird. Like the invasion of privacy. Okay, I do have to ask you

this while we're talking about privacy. Um, do we think that it's weird that you break up with somebody and they keep nudes of you and videos of you on their phone, but they're in a new relationship. Is it just like in the camera role and like you saved it six months ago broke up? No, an app that is like separate from that that has this stuff housed. No, that's very weird to me. That's very, very weird to me. At the point that you have a separate album or a, the app to lock those pictures and you're not deleting them, I do think that's weird. If you're housing nudes, pictures, intimate photos, intimate text messages, screenshoting them and keep them in an album.

I'm going to say that's an obsession that I don't fuck with. I know someone that housed photos and videos in a separate, like, app. It's like a secret app situation that has like a passcode on it. And upon the breakup, it was said that he used it as a spank. bank. What is a spank bank? Like porn. Oh, no. We use it to jack off. And I talked to this person and I was like, well, what happens if you get like a new relationship? Like, don't you need to delete those? Like, isn't that cheating? And is it cheating? Because I feel like it is. Like we've, we've come to the conclusion like we've had the arguments of is porn cheating. Is it not? Blah, blah,

while. If you have nude videos and photos of an ex on your phone and you're using them to jack off and you are in a new relationship, that is absolutely cheating because that is somebody that you intimately know. Yes. Like I would be more upset if you're checking off to your exes nudes. Yes. Watching porn on a fucking website. Right. Like just watch the porn. Like at that point, pull up a porn of a woman you never met. But at the point that you were fantasy. izing about your ex that you loved at one point, it's a hard no for me. Isn't that so fucked up? So fucked up.

I asked my group chat about the finances thing and they're all like having their own opinions. And I am so shocked by the amount of differences in all of these things. So I will be very curious to say. I know it's unrelated to the porn situation, but. Okay. So we're establishing that is cheating. Without a doubt. because because that's more than just seeing some what alessandra always says like men will fuck

anything though it's a hole right it's more than that at the point that it's someone you know and that you've been with that is cheating men will absolutely i am convinced fuck anything like it does not matter they will literally fuck a hole in a sheet isn't that so disturbing i also think, oh, I actually read this thing. I don't know how true it is, but allegedly. And I read several studies on this. One in five men. I read one that said one in five and one that said one and four men are secretly gay. So at the point that I've been reading a lot about that too. I believe it. I believe it. I also believe it. I was a conversation with somebody actually yesterday um and i was like the amount of videos i don't know how i got on like the d l

tic talk is that what you're on yeah well no none of this was on tic talk but now that i am now that you've said that i honestly hope that it pulls up on my phone like i hope it just like me knows me i wholeheartedly believe it um and it doesn't bother me at all but um i would be curious to see like the the cheating conversation with like your exes that are women um I've been with a couple, a couple of my exes, and this sounds crazy. They just didn't jerk off. And that's fine, but that means they also didn't really watch porn. And the reason why I'm bringing this up is because it is my opinion that they probably

didn't watch porn or if they deleted it, it was probably because it was gay porn. Like there are at least two of my exes where I have. absolutely questioned their sexuality. Did you say something? It's like a weird thing, right? Because I don't want to out them. So like I'm not like, like is it your place to do it, you know? And what is like what, what do you do in a situation like that where you question your

partner sexuality because I am not opposed to a lavender marriage. I am not opposed to a lavender relationship if it benefits both of us, right? Like I'm not opposed to it. But I need to know. wait so you're you're open to being with your partner being gay if it's mutually beneficial right like for example say I was single met someone on the same financial playing field as me and that person got health insurance through their job and was looking for a life partner but like maybe he or she couldn't come out to their family I'm going to say he because if it's a

woman, obviously, we can't get, like, they'd have to come out. Say a man doesn't want to come out to their family. They want to keep their private life private. Okay. And they make the same amount of money as me, but they get insurance through their job. And they come to me and they're like, Kail, are you open to a lab at your marriage? I'm like, yes, like, we're, we get along really well. We have good, you know, we're best friends. And you get insurance through your job and I don't have to pay an arm and a leg for me and all my seven kids. I would be open to that. Or maybe, maybe we get, you know, we get to live in this house and there's like two weight. Like, I'm down for it.

I really am because it's more of like a life companion. Yeah. Lover. And I can still go be with whoever I want and you can go be with whoever you want at your own discretion. But we have the benefits that are health insurance. We share a mortgage. You could have, you know, if you have a boyfriend and they can come to the house and

there's no judgment, you know what I mean? Like we don't have to sleep in the same bed. But how do you think? that a boyfriend would feel about you being in a situation like that. Because if he fell in love with you, I don't think, because it's giving like sugar daddy, you know? Good point. How do you navigate that part of it?

Because do I think what you're saying is realistic for some people? I do. And is it truly you picking a person that would be okay with that? I think that's the biggest thing is like transparency. I don't think it would be very far off that if someone I was dating, if I told them, like, hey, in full transparency, like, I'm married to a gay man. It's a lavender marriage, whatever, whatever. Right.

It's not, that's not off brand for me. Do you know what I mean? Like, where it's not off brand. It's not. But like, if you were to do it and you were to date a guy, someone that you date might not be open to it, but the type of people that, do you get what I'm saying? Yeah. Yeah.

I do. People that I associate with, like, they could see the gears turning and how I got there and I think they'd be more like, oh, okay, we're like, I can't picture your ex being okay with that. First of all, how is the hot tub going? Girl, don't get one. I'm going to get a sauna. That's what I want. It's a really big, like, maintenance issue for me. I should, again, I'm going to bring it back. I don't know if it was like last week that we talked about it or if it's this week. I do not need to own a house. Honestly, I'm surprised you do. I mean, when you said that. I don't know if it was this episode or last episode. All my days are running together. But I'm

surprised with it being you and Jackson. I'm surprised you do because I don't want the maintenance of a house if I don't have to have it. And I mean, he's only here 50% of the time. But like, could you imagine living in a luxury apartment with like amenities like the pool and the gym and everything? Yeah, I can imagine. Would you ever do it? 1,000%. Do you think you're going to? This is like the moment that I tell Kristen, I'm putting my house on the market. Are you going to? I don't know. But it literally makes no sense.

Like, for me to have this big of space and my child's only here 50% of the time, what am I doing? That when I had, now I regret it because I have seven kids now. But whenever I had that house in Middletown, it was seven, six or seven thousand square feet. I only had my kids half the time at that time. Lux, I had more obviously. and Creed was born there, but, like, ultimately, it was still just me most of the time.

And to pay for the maintenance of everything, it was like, if I'm going to have this size house, and I wasn't using a lot of the house where, like, now at my house that I have now, we use every single square foot of that fucking house. And I could go a little bit bigger, but only because I have more children. I talk about all the time if I did not have kids or if I only had one or two, I would absolutely live in a luxury apartment with a gym, a pool, whatever I need. Like, I, I was in the same boat that you were in. And I, I don't even know what to tell you because I ultimately sold that house. And it's like, I do love this house. And I have made this house

your home something that I'm proud of. And like, I love it. But at the same time, it's like every day there's something that needs to be done. Like, you can't, it's not a situation to where you can just like let it rest and close the door. Like my old house, maintenance and stuff was controlled by the HOA. So kind of like giving apartment vibes, right? So I didn't have to worry about it. No, I have to worry about every ounce of maintenance here. And then, okay, so there's, you're paying an HOA fee, but they don't cover anything. No. So where does the money go? Like for the roads and the landscaping and the street lights and the neighborhood pool. There's two neighborhood pools.

Kristen's going to kill me. She's like literally, if you put that house up for sale, I'm. Okay. Let me ask you this. If you were to go luxury apartment route, would your rent also be, like what you're paying in mortgage versus what you would pay in rent, what would be the, would there be a huge difference? I would save a lot of money.

However, I want to warn you that there is allegedly a real estate market crash going to be worse than 2008 coming coming like how soon I don't know so I just want to warn you oh dear God um but yeah I mean that these are the things that I'm navigating because I'm just Kristen says if you switch back to wanting to own again that's when I'll kill you I don't know like if first something is so nice about thinking about somebody else happen to own that shit and if you decide to move you just wait till that lease runs up honey and see ya no i agree if we had the type of luxury apartments that i'm thinking of i'd fucking get one i'd get two of them you'd get two of them and combine them combine them two penthouse

top floor bottom floor i don't want shit to do with this house like i can't it's so much work But I also have seven kids and, you know, whatever. Like, it's just you and Jack. Like, I, you're going to be jealous of my lifestyle with, like, my little luxury apartment and my ferret. And I'm going to be a Pilates instructor. Oh, my. Lindsay, I will literally, if you become an instructor for real, I'm going to show. I'm just going to surprise you and just show up at one of your classes one day.

It's giving, like, a rebrand. You know what I mean? It's giving Lindsay Pilates instructor rebrand. sweet life. The sweet life of Lindsay Ridley. Yes. Obsessed. Yes. On that note, we have foul play. Okay, let me pull it up. Okay. When my boyfriend and I were 19, he took me out to eat at Applebee's where I ate an entire Alfredo plate. We then went and grabbed ice cream on our favorite spot after we went back to his house and commenced to getting it on. I started to suck his dick. He is not small by any means, so it always went down my throat.

when he would go all the way in. Well, my dumb ass decided to be brave and show off and deep throat him all over and over until I threw up noodles and cookies from the ice cream all over him and the bed. I was so embarrassed. I immediately sat up where I kept throwing up onto the floor. Instead of being an asshole or grossed out, he sat up and rubbed my back with throw up all over his dick still. He wiped off the vomit from him and told me to stay there and he would bring me water in a towel. He threw the comforter into the laundry room, cleaned up, and managed to get back to me in a couple minutes with water and a towel in hand to wipe my mouth. I was crying out of embarrassment and just throwing up and he told me it was okay because even with vomiting on him, that was one of the best blowjobs he had ever had while it lasted. Well, he remade his bed with clean sheets and a blanket and we watched TV for the rest of the evening. Fast forward 14 years later and we're now married expecting our first child. And no, I did not learn my lesson the first time. I have in fact thrown up on him two more time since and it's and he's always a good sport about it ladies and gents don't get a

plate full of alfredo and ice cream and then suck a dick you will throw up on it okay this is giving you yeah i've literally done this so like what happens when you throw up on a dick um you're mortified probably in a cry um pure embarrassment uh if you're christin you'll suck the noodles back up and keep going. Oh yeah. See, no. At the point that throw up has transpired this game's all over. I will say that guy like had some cooth because we love him for you. We do love it. And I feel like if I ever threw up on somebody's dick, I don't think that I would make it to marriage with that person because I would be so humiliated, so humiliated that I would not be able to ever see them again. It would be like throw up on the dick and bye. Thank you guys.

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