Coffee Convos with Kail Lowry and Lindsie Chrisley - 203: Can't Wait Until The Ambulance Comes

Episode Date: February 3, 2022

Kail shares her hang ups with episode 4 of Teen Mom: Family Reunion, the ladies dig into a 2015 chapter of the Josh Duggar story, and Lindsie speculates as to whether or not she might be pregnant!! ALSO: Would you try to date your hot neighbor?? Do you have the right to your last name?? AND a very graphic FOUL PLAY segment!! Check out our amazing sponsors!!! EverlyWell: Get 20% off an at-home lab test at EverlyWell.com/convos  Cocofloss: Go to Cocofloss.me/coffeeconvos to get 20% off the 4-spo ol set AND free shipping! BYJUS FutureSchool: Go to BYJUS.com/podcast to sign up for your first class absolutely free. Cerebral: Get 65% your first month of medication management and care counseling at Cerebral.com/convos  StitchFix: Fill out your free style quiz at StitchFix.com/convos AND take advantage of free shipping and returns!

I hate gift giving and receiving receiving gifts is so weird. What do you say? Thank you? This is coffee convos with Kale Lowry and Lindsey Chrisley. I really want you to be in your feels Kale That does not interest me whatsoever. I feel very attacked by you a spirited discussion about motherhood friendship family and life in the public eye I'm just not with the fakery anymore. There's a fakery bakery around here. Here's Kale and Lindsey. I Was trying to connect my camera so I could show you that my hair looks like your hair today Our hair looks very similar, and I did quick makeup in case I see hot neighbor So I was like wait you have a hot neighbor. Oh my god. Yeah, do you want to see him? Yeah, wait wait wait back up Good morning, everybody

Good morning Fluffers kitty gang kill is trying to get her kitty stroked from her neighbor So send me a photo right now. Okay. I'm sending photo. Tell me about the first interaction with this person How you knew they were hot and why I've never heard of this before well hot neighbors uncle Mose my lawn like at my current house. Yeah, and then Natalie is best friends with hot neighbors aunt So I was like, oh like I already kind of knew him because he's helped He's helped his uncle like mow my lawn before not like sexually mow my lawn, but like The actual grass outside my house

And so whenever hot neighbors uncle came to the new house to like give me an estimate on like trees and like Landscaping and stuff. He was like, oh, I'm pretty sure my neighbor bought this or my nephew bought this house And I was like, oh that will actually make me really feel better because then I kind of know who my name like we share a Driveway. Yeah, but I had never like interacted with him Like I had seen him mow like my lawn before but like never really cared Before and now that he's my neighbor and he's so hot. I'm just referred to him as hot neighbor Okay, so I feel like this is going to be a segment on coffee combos regularly It's like Kale's interaction with hot military

Neighbor, but I'm trying to decide is what he has like around his mouth. Is that a flavor saver? Like what is that? That's an old picture he doesn't have it anymore like you talked about Gary Surely and the chin strap and I'm feeling like it's a similar vibe, but like not a chin strap It's like something else not that but like also not good Um, no, he doesn't have that anymore. I think that was like before 2020 So I think it's fine. We're gonna give him a pass, but he's very Attractive. He's very attractive and I also do like facial hair. I like when men have facial hair

Okay So does he know that you're talking about him and does he know that like you have a podcast and that you're on Teen Mom 2 and Is he scared of you? So he Probably doesn't know that I have a podcast. I'm sure he knows I'm on Teen Mom 2 I also he's just like doesn't give a fuck kind of person At least that's like the vibe that I'm getting like he doesn't give a fuck who I am like what show I'm on

Is the vibe I'm getting this could be a lifetime movie Honestly, and I'm thrilled for you So I can't wait for future updates and don't forget to update us because okay, I'm sure the kitties are Really interested as much as I am I need to tell you what happened to me and why I'm feeling like a bit under the weather today Last night. I literally just felt like this I don't know if it was like a sickness or what came over me, but I Literally could not exist in this world

I was like Jackson like we're gonna have to door-dash Chick-fil-A like I don't know what to do Like I can't move This is literally debilitating whatever it is and I am terrified So Jackson's sweetest. He's like sending me messages mom Do I need to come check on you like all of these things he checked on me multiple times in the night? And I'm like he's literally precious. He's really taken on this like Man-roll since moving into this house and it's really really sweet But also like sad in some ways because I'm like he shouldn't have to feel the need to do that

But he does just have like a very caring heart, but this morning I so wish that I would have struggled through making Jackson's lunch last night Because this morning I almost fainted in my kitchen I immediately started puking and I was like if I didn't know any better. I think I was pregnant Like I terrified Terrified and I was like, I don't I honestly don't know how I'm gonna do this day How I'm gonna get my kid to school like do you call uber when you don't have help like

What do you do? I mean I was on brandy glambels podcast the other day and She told her son to uber home from school because she couldn't go pick him up. So I feel like that's like I'm like, that's fine. I mean, could you imagine with the state of Will and I like where we are in this current life Situation him to find out that Jackson like ubered to elementary school. I'm like sir like You are like across the United States somewhere and I have no help And I'm literally passing away in my bed at the current moment and I have no choice

And it was either is he getting educated today or? Is he just staying at home and playing video games? So I did get him to school But I'm terrified for what the person who let him out of the car thought because I had in a hair bar clip with My hair on top of my head and was in a robe. So I'm sure they've seen worse like I'm sure of it. You're like, I've actually been worse I've been worse. I have and I have to walk my children into school So I and I know that I've been they borderline. We're gonna call authorities on the way

I forgot about having to walk walk into school before kindergarten age It's horrible like the amount of money that I pay. I love the school. I love the people don't get me wrong But the amount of money that I pay into wish and I'm like, hmm, maybe you should have a car drop-off line Yeah, this this is a little much. I remember having to do that for Jackson and you know early on It's like, oh, I probably need to put myself together a little bit because people are gonna like see my comings and goings and then It's like, you know a month goes by and you're like, okay, like I really don't give a fuck like what these people think Hopefully they don't judge me by the fact that my hair looks like it hasn't been brushed in 12 days And I'm rocking a rat's nest. So I mean, I haven't I

Showered and let my hair air dry and then I put it up and I was just I don't really care Um that much but back to you I honestly hope that you feel better because that's the worst feeling is just like that like if you are pregnant, which Like pregnancy rumors start in three two two one That's exactly how I felt with both of my early pregnancies with creed and luxe and with my last one It would lasted all the way until like almost the third trimester. So I If that happened to me and I had to be pregnant kill that yeah, that long and that was going on Mm-hmm. I I literally physically could not do life like it was it's hard

I feel bad for the people who like had it worse than me because I was miserable not because I like look I didn't awful. I don't feel like I looked miserable like I felt like my belly was cute I didn't really gain a whole lot of weight, but like actual health wise. I felt like shit like I had no energy I was always sick. Nothing. I ate was good So hopefully I mean, I don't know I mean if you're pregnant then you're pregnant and I'm gonna have a little niece or nephew But if you're not pregnant, we need to figure out what the fuck is going on What if it was twins like could we imagine you're like no

Two babies at one time, please no I mean it sounds good. I mean Jackson's old enough I feel like it would be like you doing it all over again and they say like if you have twins first You don't know any different like that's all you know So I feel like at this point like Jackson is old enough to be self-sufficient You could probably make himself a bowl of cereal. It might not be so bad to have twins Oh, I don't know about the self-sufficiency with an only child. That's a whole another topic in itself Your kids are super self-sufficient and I applaud I don't give them another choice

I applaud you for that level of dedication for not giving them another choice because it is truly my own Doing that Jackson is not more self-sufficient. Well to be fair He's an only child and I feel like when all the kids are with their dads except for like Lux and Creed Lux Even before Creed was born because he's only 18 months old It's like Lux was by himself, you know sibling wise his siblings were gone He's by himself and so I did more for him And so it's definitely been an adjustment for him to transition from like me doing everything to being self-sufficient But the other two they didn't know any difference. So they don't I don't have any

They just didn't have a choice. I wish I could be you Kale. I wish I could be you All right, you guys we did it We made it through another eventful year and a busy holiday season and now I am ready to Reset and focus on my health and wellness and if you are too you need to better understand what's going on inside Give yourself more clarity and confidence with everly. Well, maybe it's eggs. Maybe it's almonds Maybe it's the unsuspected banana or carrot if you struggle with common symptoms like bloating stomach eggs migraines or indigestion And wonder whether they could be related to food the everly well food sensitivity test may help you find more clarity and guide you to a two-part elimination diet by measuring your reactivity to 96 common foods. I just got this test in the mail

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Like this whether it be like in DMs comments Facebook messages wherever people can contact me They seem to like reoccurringly talk about the same thing and this woman Joyce She Commented on my Instagram and said I think you should use your former husband's last name to be the same as your child's last name Since you hate your father so much and I think this is just like so interesting That people could even and and the weird thing is is it's women that are Commenting this stuff like I'm not getting these comments from men. It's women. So I just finally I guess I was very triggered by this message

Evidently and I said but I don't hate my dad No one knows how I feel other than what you either gathered on your own or what you're assuming My last name is my government given name that I've had my entire life my successes and unfortunately failures Should be attached to my identity not my former spouses Why would it be normalized for me to identify with a last name that was given to me from a failed marriage? Versus what I was born with I wonder if she was like is it about matching maybe like everyone Or is it specifically about your dad because I just don't feel like well It's even if you people have like you're a Lowry and you didn't meet your dad until you were on teen mom

It's like that doesn't mean that you don't have rights to that last name Because you don't have a relationship with him I mean we've talked about last names before a hundred times and I feel like I would have liked to have my mom's last name But my mom and my dad were married so I understand why she gave me Lowry. I just get super even to this day I'm like annoyed by it, but also at the end of the day that doesn't mean that I'm gonna turn around and change it Because I hate my dad. Well, yeah, I don't even hate my dad I just don't have feelings about him at all like I'm not gonna change I'm not gonna keep, you know change it back to Mary Quinn or change it to like my mom's last name

Just because I hate my dad. No, this is the last name that I've had my whole life. I still the same way as you Yeah, it's like part of your identity and I had actually seen something a while ago And it was like this write-up and it was talking about this female doctor and She had been questioned why her name she was using she was married, but she was using her maiden name And she said well my husband didn't go to medical school and I think that that should be Normalized that is my identity like I was I I for anyone who's listening. I was the og chrisley kid like I Started this so just because now people know the last name or because there's a show associated

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That's just a total of $30 to get started join cerebral today on their mission to make quality mental health care accessible and affordable for all Moving on from that bullshit. We're gonna get into some other bullshit team mom family reunion I did just want to start this off by saying a couple of episodes ago I can't remember which one it was I was talking about like I can't wait until like the ambulance comes I was don't remember you saying that at all. I definitely did and I was disappointed why it came Yeah, I it definitely was a little it was obviously advertised way more dramatically than what actually occurred And that's the nature of the beast right like being on TV. They dramatize the things that they can so I understand

And then on that I also wanted to say That makes me even have further feelings on the treadmill that you received then It just what's funny to me about that is how do you send that after this occurred because That was this episode of team on family reunion was recorded before she sent the treadmill So like the audacity Yeah, it's just like what the fuck. Yeah, I I am very Very concerned. Um, I will say that

The show was better to me this episode than the previous ones But still like not worthy of unless we were recapping this and Semi-trolling I wouldn't watch it. I am getting mixed reviews on our recaps While our listens are very up Some people love it some people hate it so I want to try to keep the recaps a little bit shorter and just preface this again by saying they are meant to be a Little bit trolley because I'm we are recapping as viewers not as cast members And I'm pretty sure I said that last week, but I just want to preface it again today is like

This is not meant to be taken super seriously and you know, the opinions that we have are meant to be trolley It's supposed to be funny. It's supposed to be light-hearted. It's not that serious Um, but yeah, I actually I actually was not Again, I sound like a fucking hater not super impressed by this episode. I just don't I think that Overall, I think what this was episode four. Yeah episode four episode four I mean at this point it should have just been a brand Brianna and Devoyne family reunion because they are carrying Brianna and her sister I care not even her sister Brianna is carrying every single episode of this show. Oh for sure And every single so far we are four episodes in and I believe don't quote me on this

I believe there's ten episodes We're episode four and she is the main character of every single one. She has the most airtime I don't even think Leah got any airtime in this entire episode. I had actually written that down that so far Leah has played a very minimal role And I'm thinking maybe Next week we'll probably see more of Leah if I had to guess but I'm still I've been watching kind of waiting to see Leah and

She still really hasn't appeared episode starts off with Brianna and Devoyne and They're talking about coach B Brianna is talking about how she wants to come up with solutions to communicate and not have screaming matches and I just want to say based off of my own experience Sometimes when you have a history of having screaming matches, it's hard to Get on a playing field that is even or to try to like recalibrate and readjust to

Like a new way to communicate It's it's kind of like when you set boundaries for people in relationships that are already existing But they didn't start off with those boundaries. It's kind of like that. Yeah, and then I'm one thing I will say is I thought that it was a valid concern when Brianna said that Devoyne lives with his girlfriend and She had concerns of Nova's accommodations. I think just as a mother myself That if Jackson was going to Wills and he didn't have his own room or like his own bed I would definitely be showing my ass about that. So I do think that that is very valid and I think

you can probably relate to this in a lot of ways, but she was talking about how She felt that Devoyne kind of left her to figure it out on her own because he wasn't really ready to be a parent yet and she figured that out with her mom and her sister and I think that sometimes people have kids and Whether it be, you know, an accidental pregnancy or whatever It's hard because Sometimes your partner isn't in the same place as you are to be able to take on that life Responsibility and so I do think that those concerns are valid. I mean prior to all this lawsuit stuff

Like I've said it a hundred times. I resonated with Bree's story the most out of every single cast member on the entire franchise And that is a huge light bulb that kind of went off on my end too watching it because I was like Um, it is very difficult as a mom to do the hardest parts alone and then allow someone to come back in the picture That being said that doesn't mean like you go from what let me let me say this by Knowing Devoyne and like hanging out with him coming on the podcast things like that Like I do feel like we are missing parts of the story and so it's very easy for

Us to get mad at Bree. But I mean, maybe we are missing parts of the story I don't know because he you know, he says one thing and she says another I mean, they're even arguing about where he actually was when she gives birth and you know She says that he's couch hopping from the time that until Nova is what five years old Um, I don't know. I don't know how I don't know because he even says like at the end of their conversation Like he was there more than she can remember and I do feel like that's true but also, I think it goes back to And relating this to personal experience whether he felt like he was there

More than she remembers and she feels like he wasn't true. I had I had actually talked about This kind of a little bit on this other NT that sometimes when someone could be like at a five and like that's their max capacity But she's looking for an eight and she's in an eight or she's at a ten if he's showing up as a five And like that's the most that he can do It's not gonna ever be good enough until he can reach what she expects. Does that make sense? It does This is part of the reason why we shouldn't be having babies so young and we should also just like be with our partners for a Really long time before we decide to have kids because I also feel like I'm also in that situation in my personal opinion

I don't think that Chris will ever rise above a two So it's nothing he ever does is gonna be good enough now to him He feels like he he does, you know, everything and I know you know what I mean So maybe it's the same type of situation and I know it's hard to hear coming from an outsider because you are in a similar situation I feel like as Brianna so for me to say that it's easier for me to say because I don't feel like I'm in that Situation why doesn't she have the same energy for Lewis because maybe she knows Davoin's capabilities. This is just playing devil's advocate Maybe she knows his capabilities are much more than what Lewis is is so the expectation is higher. I don't know

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free just go to by Jews Dot com slash podcast to sign up for your first class absolutely free. That's B. Y. J U. S. Dot com slash podcast I will add one more thing to this is it is irking my soul and my nerves that she still calls him to Vaughan When his name is Devoyne It's just a respect thing Like maybe let's start there if you guys want to actually have open communication and support each other and things like that Maybe call him by his actual name. Yes

um, I agree and for the longest time I thought that his name was Devon because that's I would assume that's Safe to say that the mother of your child would know how to pronounce your name but with that being said I wanted to say I thought this episode was better because um Corey arriving. I felt like brought a higher level of energy to the show. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes And I feel like Corey is a TV personality like that is he He does the job well like he shows up. He knows his like and I'm sure a lot of it is his actual personality

But I also think like he does his job well Um, he's entertaining. He's funny Um, and I definitely think that the obstacle course was very like corey-esque I don't think that he I don't know that he came up with it himself But just because I think they're already pre-planned and it's like, oh, this will be Corey's this will be Cheyenne's whatever That's just my opinion. Um, I agree with you I think that raises the energy even when they're towards the end and obviously we'll get there When they're all like drinking or whatever. He is the reason everyone gets hyped up

Everyone was sitting on their asses on the couch just to kind of fucking twiddling their thumbs So I definitely think Corey brought the energy this episode and I will say I think that if um personalities like Corey and those of Jose Miraquin Um and gaming events like this if they're gonna have that aspect of the show, they probably should have also invited Javi, um I'm surprised they didn't because Brianna and Javi have had beef in the past Um, I know that they you know recently squashed it or whatever, but

I am surprised they didn't invite Javi because that would have been a dynamic for the show. You know what I mean for sure um Something that Macy was talking about um, and I literally almost cry whenever I see Macy's parts because I don't know if um, I'm like sad for her or Some of the parts are like very relatable, but she was talking about how she had the desire to not be a shell of a mom or a person and I didn't know before this uh, because I don't really

Watch either of the shows outside of the clips that I see of you um on troll pages, but not the troll pages but Macy got pregnant With Bentley the night that she lost her virginity and I didn't know that. Yeah, that was like the biggest part of like People lost their shit whenever they whenever this show first started and she said that like that was the biggest You know, she didn't really have a whole lot of time to learn about you know team pregnancy and all of that Between the time that she started having sex and she got pregnant. There was not a whole lot of time there

well and I think collectively every mom part of this franchise can relate to Her saying that she had no choice but to grow up and how she Feels like she didn't even have enough time to feel um, I'm sure you probably Felt that way as well. You probably get I still feel that way

I still feel like I do not have time to feel bad about anything. I'm not allowed to be upset I just don't have the time. Yes, and I think You kind of get into that fight or flight. It's like, you know Now I have Another being to take care of other than myself. Yeah, and then your whole focus You know goes to that. So I I thought that um, I love Macy's parts on the show Um, I am a little bit partial to her parts. Um Amber brought up a good point and this is probably only relatable to people who have been on tv

But she was talking about how all of the issues that have stemmed from Just being on tv that she has struggled with and I think it was more of like a mental health thing like being judged the trolls like all of that and I will say um Some days are really difficult like that comment that I got, you know, like some days like that's okay But then like some days it's like it's not okay. And I can't even imagine being on a show that You're basically being judged by everything that you do like y'all's platform

And the way that team mom is filmed Literally is asking for people to have opinions about your life and your parenting right where I mean, that's why kim kardashian says being On reality tv is harder than acting because you are you are Liked or disliked based on who you really are not by who you're pretending to be I mean, obviously some of us have you know tv personalities and then we're different when the camera stopped rolling But ultimately like who your name your likeness your everything about your actual government identity not necessarily who you play as a character in a movie or something and so

Definitely resonate with that. Um, I had no idea that amber's sister passed away when she was five years old Me either no idea and so That in and of itself is trauma And I think the death of the death of a sibling or a child would change the dynamic of the siblings of the family of everything I had no idea she that already you're off to a rough start So I my heart goes out to amber because I had no idea well and I felt like when she said When she got out of jail the first place she went was to her sister's grave um

that to me just shows you how impactful that loss has been in her life and I know that you are not gonna like this, but Um, that life coach said that most of our trauma and experiences as adults come from childhood trauma and we bring These things into our adult relationships and then wonder why we can't solve problems because we are bringing our kids self to the conversation and

I definitely feel that way and like that. I talk about it in therapy all the time and um, actually I have like a love hate relationship with Uh therapy and coffee combos right now because I have therapy right before we record so oh shit Yeah, so then I'm like, okay. Well, then I see these things being said on this show and I'm talking about the same things in therapy um, and one of my homeworks for this week was to write a letter um To people that I need to write a letter to but never give them

it from traumas that I experienced at like six years old to 32 and so I do I just think that so many things that happen in your childhood um carry over into our adult lives and we don't even realize it And I know that you don't love that but I do think it's true. No, I I think at this point I can't deny that there was a period of time where I was just like no no no no no But I definitely get it now. I mean how you handle things as an adult when you don't have like A healthy outlet or no how to handle certain traumas like you how else are you what else are you going to do? You can't like

Undo how you've handled trauma your whole childhood and then expect to be different as an adult But I guess for a long time. That's how I did see it. Yeah um, but yeah, no, I I agree. Um, I don't really have much much else to add to this recap other than I'm going to go back to What I said last week that I hate how they Do these little teaser clips and it's like they introduced Farah and then it's like, oh well next week I mean, obviously we know what they're doing

but Uh, I'm not loving the fact that Farah is going to be on their show to be honest I mean at 8 51 p.m. Farah pulls up um, and then they show this like like Bre play of Farah referring to The other cast members as criminals and she's like, oh, maybe the criminals or whatever will do it and I'm like Funny now because she's also a criminal. Um, she just got arrested not that long ago And then we have Bre sending out or she should send the whole fucking cast treadmill so everyone can get in shape for next season

Um, including herself So we got a lot of hypocrites and then I wrote down that Gary gets um Drinking gets Gary rowdy and his nipples were like reaching his mom on mean girls because he's like look my nipples are hard Um, Gary is a whole fucking vibe like I need multiple memes and like mert gary merch like I just need it to happen Um, and I also just want to know who Farah's stylist is because they need to be fired the I think Farah is her own stylist. Um, the Gary merch that I would be looking for at this point would be it's the chin strap for me Okay, but I'm gonna claim dubs. I'm gonna claim

Commission on that because I also was like commented on like I was the one that said I don't I don't think those are in anymore. Um, no, but I mean at least this one was a little bit more lighthearted But I feel like lia is getting like negative airtime. So I mean it might be good though because I mean she's getting paid to not really have to do anything Yeah, but I'm just saying if I'm taking it's not all about the payment, right? So it's like if I'm taking time away from my life my child Um, you're not I'm not gonna do that on a show platform like that and get negative airtime Just to get a paycheck. So that's fair. All right, you guys I have talked about the stitch fix boxes for so long

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And I just want to say That We are not missing any info. We're having to give it in small bites Because there is so much to unpack and we're covering so many different years That this is going to be covered over several weeks time and we can't neglect other Topics that are either relevant or things that we want to talk about just to dedicate You know two episodes or three episodes to josh douger in its entirety

So with that being said we're going to pick up on may 21st of 2015 Have you like are you as invested in this as me or you're not so I wasn't at first I was not at first however Kristen called me yesterday and we were talking about it and she put a bunch of links in there. I'm digging through I'm seeing what's what's going on now. I'm invested. There's no way to not be invested. Yeah, I mean It's a lot and I guess um I am upset at the general public that we could you know have these

Movements for everything else But yet I feel like there's just been not enough like like movement on this case. Yeah, okay So we're picking up may 21st 2015 um josh appears to confirm the allegations so some outlets are citing facebook however people Came um out in an article saying it was an exclusive with them um There was

No proof that facebook, you know had anything to do with this but josh had a statement and his statement was 12 years ago as a young teenager I acted inexcusably for which I am extremely sorry and deeply regret I hurt others including my family and close friends We spoke with the authorities where I confessed my wrongdoings and my parents arranged for me and those affected by my actions to receive counseling I understood that if I continue down this wrong road, I would end up ruining my life I sought forgiveness from those that I had wronged and asked christ to forgive me and come into my life I would do anything to go back to those teen years and take different actions in my life today I am so very thankful for god's grace mercy and redemption

um And then he resigned from his position at the family research council where he worked as a lobbyist I have quite a few opinions on this because I feel like um, this Is inauthentic, um It's complete bullshit and I would question whether he wrote it himself or not. That's where I was going next I think this is like a pr released some purposes wrote this yeah one thousand percent

and it was um a little weird to me that he Kind of downplays to me in this statement like the actual victims when he says I hurt others including my family and close friends It's like yeah, no no you you ruined some lives Like the this will literally change the trajectory of these women's lives like these girls So no you didn't just hurt people you literally traumatized them and they have to carry this with them for the rest of their lives Like fuck you josh dugger. Yeah, I the down it's the downplaying for me. So yeah

Jim bob and michelle dugger release a joint statement and talk about How this is the statement that they say back 12 years ago Our family went through one of the most difficult times of our lives when josh was a young teenager He made some very bad mistakes and we were shocked. We had tried to teach him right from wrong That dark and difficult time caused us to seek god like never before

Even though we would never choose to go through something so terrible each one of our family members drew closer to god We pray that as people That is people watch our lives. They see that we are not a perfect family We have challenges and struggles every day It is one of the reasons that we treasure our faith so much because god's kindness and goodness and forgiveness are extended to us Even though we are so undeserving We hope somehow the story of our journey the good times and the difficult times cause you to see the kindness of god And learn that he can bring you through anything

No, see I have several problems with this and I know that you are a christian and I am not But this is the type of shit that makes me furious with people like them You don't get to use god and bring god into this when if you guys are so holy and live by everything that your bible says How could this have happened like stop bringing god into this when you're literally the reason why people question christianity. Fuck you Well, so this statement to me, although Um, I sympathize with them as parents in some way. Um, I don't because We can't be responsible for all of the decisions that our children make however Um, the statement in my opinion should have come way sooner

And also it's not about how they You know as a mother you cannot change what your children like decisions that they make But how you handle it speaks volumes about you as a parent and I don't feel like this was handled appropriately at all Well, I think all of it was mismanaged and I think that where this comes across a bit inauthentic is that um at this point It almost looks like okay now. I'm only saying something because I have to and right we need to clean it up You know, so that can I please read? Oh, go ahead. Go ahead that to me. Um is

Concerning in itself that these statements are only coming When they feel like they they have to say something now like damage control. Yes. So anna. Um, anna is josh's wife um She has remained supportive of her husband even after he confessed his past teenage mistakes And I am putting that in air quotes because in my opinion, they're not mistakes. They're choices. He made those choices Um two years before he proposed marriage. So she knew about this two years prior to them getting engaged and married Um, I can imagine the shock many of you are going through reading this I remember feeling the same shock when my family and I first visited the dugger home

Josh shared his past teenage mistakes I was surprised at his openness and humility and at the same time didn't know why he was sharing it For josh, he wanted not just me, but my parents to know who he really was even very difficult past mistakes and I said and um Inna said she had confidence and that the counseling her husband had received changed his life He continued to do what he what he was taught. I know who josh really is someone who had gone down a wrong path And had humbled himself before god and those whom he have had offended Someone who had received the help needed to change the direction of his life and do what is right pure bullshit

so Maybe i'm just not christian enough, but I will say if I had minor children in my home Knowing what his capabilities were and that there had been no professional help And not only had there been no professional help, but he it's now known that he is a repeat offender of these actions I would have to immediately divorce him and Immediately follow something with the courts For she knew before she married him which is to me again Maybe it makes me a bad christian, but I'm not willfully going into that situation

I'm not have no and you can't and then how do you have kids with someone who you know touched other children? Correct. Like how do you have kids with someone knowing that? I don't know. I don't fucking know So then michelle douger does this solo interview with police where she states that the program josh Was in wasn't really a treatment program and the person that They you know had running it was remodeling their business or whatever And he was not a certified counselor So I guess the question is where was this counseling that they have mentioned

And in their statements taking place like where was this going on? I feel like there's a lot of um information that's one either being left out or Again, this goes to they've done stuff for pr and then Don't really realize what one person has said and then somebody else makes a statement um, I don't really think that he probably was getting the type of help that It that had been said. I think it was more of a We need to act like he's in like this extensive

Program to get help, but I think that these parents were also Even though they knew everything was going on. I think they were also like in this complete state of denial as well I How did this all come out? Like I don't I don't know those details. Like how did all of this come to light? so I want to say that um It came through that freedom of information act request

um That it kind of came out publicly that he had molested five young girls But I don't know what led that to happen other than um the note that was found in that book or whatever that we had discussed last week I don't know if like it had to do with that. I don't really know but I will say This kind of stuff went on in this family for a long period of time prior Like before it ever came out and I don't see how these actions with a family that is that large on reality tv were able to Keep it kind of under wraps to the level that they were like that to me is more terrifying than anything

I don't like that when I'm reading these statements because I'm like pulling both of them up um, I don't like that they are Are downplaying it by saying 12 years ago as a young teenager And then jim bob and michelle are like back 12 years ago. Our family went through I don't give a fuck if it was 50 years ago The fact that you're downplaying it because it was quote so long ago That's gaslighting. I feel like in my opinion if I was to that's like when I was dating someone Um, I had found out something like a year later

And he was like basically telling me I didn't have a right to be upset because I just found out and it was a year ago That's not how that works. You don't get to downplay something that you did Because it happened so long ago. Now you're dealing with the consequences and that's not my fucking problem I don't like how they both who whoever wrote these in my opinion probably wrote both of them and Started both of them the same way with it being 12 years ago. Oh back 12 years ago Oh back, you know as a young teenager. No, I don't give a fuck. You did it doesn't matter what the timing is agreed Um, so the location of this counseling given by jim bob dugger to police was said to be the old veterans hospital in little rock

The democrat gazette says that this information regarding that location Pulaski county assessor's records show nearly 500,000 square foot former va hospital was actually purchased by hobby lobby in 1998 The craft store company then donated the building in 2000 to the institute of basic life principles an illinois based ministry Founded by televangelist bill gothard Shortly after the institute acquired the building gothard began renovating the space Saying that it would be used for the little rock training center, which would house court referred youthful offenders and the organization's Bible based rehabilitation program

According to an april 2000 article in the arkansas democrat gazette So basically it's a lie and bullshit got it so Bill gothard's teaching have been promoted by the dugger family in 2014 gothard resigned from the institute in basic life principles following allegations of sexual harassment molestation and failing to report child abuse a spokesman a spokesman for the institute couldn't confirm or deny whether youth treatment program was In place at the building when josh allegedly attended in 2003

So let me just stop you right there because if you if something for sure happened like I feel like Most of the time you have like an alibi in documents and proof and things like that if this in fact is like a Essentially like a business or a program. You're gonna have some type of like bank statements Accounts if this program was in place you have to I'm assuming get supplies for it or whatever that looks like And so there would be some type of record somewhere That would prove that this was going on during the time that josh dugger would have allegedly been there agreed and I feel like Again, I go back to the technology in today's time like you're going to have some type of record and

if this is being questioned and you know that there's no reason for something like this to be questioned as parents and Just based off of Other statements that they've made and like this pr cleanup that it appears to be Wouldn't one of the first things that they did when they got questioned if he was actually receiving Proper help wouldn't they have proven that to be true if they had records to prove for that to be true Exactly exactly. So now at this point in the story This is now two people in authority positions Allegedly committing the same crimes as josh

So Which what would you like to do with that information? Which leads me back to believe that this community Again, this is a complete opinion that this community Maybe had a lot of this kind of thing going on. Oh, yeah, and they just help each other cover it up Yeah So a court order dated may 21st 2015 orders that the police report in question to be destroyed The order was a result of a motion to expunge from one of the alleged victims Fast forward may 22nd 2015 arkansas police destroy the investigation record into josh on orders from a judge

A police spokesperson told the athens banner herald newspaper that the judge stacey zimmerman ordered That they expunged the record despite similar records usually being kept indefinitely Um as far as the spring deal police department is concerned this report doesn't exist The spokesperson said in may 20, uh in may 2002 jim bob loses a primary bid for the republic senate See after running on a platform that quote rape and incest represent heinous crimes and assets should be treated as capital crimes Um the dagger family has been shown support by several public uh political figures including governor huckabee Um and are very well connected the judge who ordered the atypical treatment of josh's record proudly toaded her past Highs to governor huckabee on her 2014 campaign webpage

You think this is a coincidence? No, I don't find any of it to be a coincidence. I find it all to be corrupt and heinous and disgusting and um on the josh dugger stuff We're gonna end there today and we'll pick up more next week again We are covering multiple years time. So you guys have to be patient and All of the messages. I'm actually compiling um a word document for anything that's coming through from listeners that either have Information I've gotten a lot of information from listeners actually um either about the community or

their experiences um um whatever and I'm not quite decided on how we are going to share this information Obviously anything that is sent to us remains completely anonymous I don't know if this will be something that we share on our instagram page If we read them on here talk about some of them. Um, but I've received a ton of stuff All right, you guys cocoa floss was founded by two sisters a dentist and an artist

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If I should like be physically disgusted or laugh There's two there's two of them. The first one is I was having morning sex and his foreskin ripped We had to go to the hospital as my house looked like a murder scene I had to ring my boss and tell her that I would be late to work because of all of this and then I had to explain to his mom Why his clothes looked like he had been stabbed? I how does that happen? Like is your is it dry and is it causing it to rip or like I need to know more details. I need to know if there was already like an abrasion. Is it called an abrasion? Like uh, if there was already like a cut or something like how did it how does the foreskin rip? Like I don't know and why did it bleed so bad? Like is it very sensitive? Do dicks bleed? Like do they bleed?

Like I don't know. I've never known for a dick to bleed I feel like that skin is so like first of all, it's like rubber So I guess I wouldn't expect it to rip very easily and also I feel like it's super thick I mean, maybe I'm wrong, but I feel like when it's erect. It's like it literally is like tough kill Like I don't know what you've been touching But I don't know. Is that not right? Is that not right? I don't know if that's right. Like I don't know if it's like tough Okay, well the next one is funny as well. This is a very this actually happened something like this has happened to me I put up photos on my Facebook with an with my anal toys on the table. I didn't notice for 24 hours

What? Um someone came over to my house one time and I I did tell the story on Facebook My house one time and I I did tell the story on baby mom was one time It was a long time ago. So if you don't listen to that one, this is new for you Um, I had someone that I was talking to come over and like he stopped by And my dildo my bright green dildo was on the end table in the living room And I just look up at him and I realized that it's on the table behind him and I'm just like What the fuck do you do? Like you can't like say anything, but you don't want to not say anything

Wait, but like why was it on the table in the living room? I don't know. Yeah, you know like I can look at you right now. I don't know. I don't know kill You're such a liar. Like you know, why is this woman's anal toys on the table? Like I don't know Were you cleaning yours? I need more details about you don't dish soap does wonders, you know So you had cleaned it put it on your table. I don't know Oh, my child may have brought it down the stairs. I don't know you do not kill. I know that you know, I Like you can't convince me. I don't I swear to god. I don't know I don't know why it was on the table

I probably I might have brought it down one of the kids might have had it and I was like what the fuck You can't touch that like I don't know where you got that from kind of thing Or maybe I Used it when nobody was home in the living room. Who really I feel like that's the most likely option That you used it in the living room when no one was home like that to me sounds most like you um Also on that note. I need to know A part of your moving process like who packs those things and like who unboxes them

So actually have two kind of awkward stories about that So whenever do you remember when I had the neat method come in and like organize everything? Yes So one I was like, oh my god I had realized after she was done that she had to go through like my thing of sex toys And so like now I have a labeled bin that says personal And it's literally all my sex toys in it and I was like, oh my god Like I it didn't even cross my mind until it was already done And now I still think about it to my to this day and I just saw her last week to so she could do my new house

And I'm thinking to myself. I'm not going to put her through that again. So I'm just gonna like hide the box kill Also, when I was moving I had put all I like dumped the sex toys into this like waterproof backpack that I brought to hawaii And I like didn't think anything of it And freaking katyn natalie's son like teenage son Traumatized he's Traumatized he picked up the backpack not knowing what was in it and then was like, oh, where does this go and opened it?

And I'm like, oh my fucking god, like I'm going straight to hell Um, I am not allowed to collect $200 just like pass go and keep it moving Going straight to hell because I am just traumatizing people left and right kill We're gonna end right after this, but I need to know like Is this like an extensive collection? Like I will count my toys and have an answer for you later today of how many I have Okay, please Please do because I'm it's a very eclectic Collection, please do send details. I would love to know

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