Coffee Convos with Kail Lowry and Lindsie Chrisley - 204: Duggars and Spears' and Kardashians, Oh My!
Episode Date: February 10, 2022Kail talks about THE HAIRCUT, the ladies revisit the May / June chapter of the Duggar timeline, why you should change your carbon monoxide detector, who is the most detached Kardashian?, is Lindsie te...am Jamie Lynn Spears?... AND the ladies talk colon health in their FOUL PLAY segment! Check out our great sponsors! Care/of: For 50% off your first Care/of order, go to TakeCareOf.com and enter code "coffee50" Green Chef: Go to GreenChef.com/convos130 and use code convos130 to get $130 off, plus free shipping! KiwiCo: Get 50% off your first month plus FREE shipping on ANY crate line with code COFFEE at kiwico.com Boll & Branch: Get 15% off your first set of sheets when you use promo code COFFEECONVOS at BollandBranch.com Stamps.com: Sign up with promo code COFFEE at Stamps.com for a special offer that includes a 4-week trial, free postage, and a digital scale! Chime: Join over 10 million people using Chime. Sign up takes only two minutes and doesn’t affect your credit score. Get started at chime.com/convos
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I hate gift-giving and receiving receiving gifts is so weird. What do you say? Thank you
This is coffee convos with Kale Lowry and Lindsay Chrisley. I really want you to be in your feels Kale
That does not interest me whatsoever. I feel very attacked by you a spirited discussion about motherhood friendship
Family and life in the public eye. I'm just not with the fakery anymore. There's a fakery bakery around here
Here's Kale and Lindsay
Dun dun dun, we're back coffee convos. I am thrilled that you sang the intro slightly. I
Am practicing my vocals because I'm working on a record deal to be perfectly honest
I don't really care what anybody else is doing if you're working on a record deal like I'm proud of you
But I have had the most emotionally
draining week of
My existence and so I'm just kind of like
No, honestly, I feel you to the fucking core like when I tell you my last like five six days have been a complete shit show
Like I where do we even begin? I don't know. We just begin like well
Tell me about it. Where does your mind go? Tell me where your mind goes like first?
I really okay. Let me just address one thing really quickly before we go too far
Everyone is waiting for me to talk about the baby's haircut. Yes. I
Was not expecting you to because I'm sure you are traumatized
So it wasn't I think my son is traumatized to be honest
I don't want to put too much into it. I do what just want to like just say one thing on here
The bits and pieces that I've heard about an explanation from the other side on their podcast
What is complete bullshit?
And this is not something that I would have wanted. I bought curly hair product products for curly hair
Over the weekend and I knew that even if I said no to the haircut, which I did not say yes
I did not consent to it. He would have done it anyway
And I do think it was solely to get a reaction out of me
I don't want to give it the public reaction that he wants
but I think it's okay to
address something and
not let it get you to a place of
Like giving a reaction because this is something that's part of your life
This is something that other people can relate to I'm sure that anybody who's listening has probably dealt with this
Some people have actually had a great clips scenario going on this week
So I feel like our life is a little bit in sync
Let me start with my story about what happened. Yeah, okay, so
Will
Goes to great clips to get his haircut, which totally fine anyone who's listening that goes to great clips works at great clips
Good for you. It's just Jackson has what's called a double crown
So his hair kind of grows and like a weird pattern and forever
it took me a such a long time to find someone who specializes in double crown haircuts and
and I take him to the barber shop and the guy does such a great job
He's on a schedule and I thought well
It's really nice to be able to find someone who knows how to cut Jackson's hair
But also someone that I can rely on so if I'm taking Jackson to the haircut then it's great
And if Will's taking him it's great because this barber knows Jackson's hair
So Will had text me and was like I'm gonna take Jackson to have his hair cut at great clips
And I'm like all of this hard work that I've put in to
Trying to like grow his hair out and it's finally in a place that like we can manage it Jackson can manage it
It's not like little
Sprigs sticking up all over the place at the top in the morning like we're we're really, you know working with some magic right now and
Then not my time but I picked Jackson up from school on Tuesday because he had after-school tutoring
And I just decided to go ahead and take him to get his hair cut because it did needed to be cut
But I took him to the barber to try to prevent the great clips cut and I
Would just love to hear from other parents
Who have experienced this and how you navigate it because when I was married like this was never a question like this wasn't
That's what I'm that's what I don't understand. Like there were a few people who will be like, oh, he's just doing it
He's just doing a dad thing. Oh
It's just haircut and it'll grow back
But it's like, okay. Yeah, if it's a regular thing if will knows that you take him to the barber shop
Why is he all of a sudden just completely?
Coming out of left field with a great clip of great clips haircut first of all
My mom used to be the manager at great clips in Whitehall, Pennsylvania. So that's interesting
But like why are we diverting from what his regular routine is when it comes to haircuts?
Like you're switching it up for literally no reason same thing for the baby over the weekend was like you
Claimed that you had hair appointments to get his first haircut
You tell me at 8 30 in the morning on Sunday and won't give me a time or place to meet you and tell me you email me
Saying that you'll send me a video
That's not how this works and I hate when these dads are like, well, we just want a co-parent
Obviously not you obviously don't because I just feel like
Jackson yes is used to getting haircuts
But like this is a routine like you said he has like his that's the same for Lincoln like Lincoln can't go to ever any
Just anybody who cuts hair because his hair is so stick straight that if it gets cut weird
It just looks crazy, you know what I mean?
And so it's just like why why be difficult right and further like for your situation
It's just like if will wanted to take him to great clips. Maybe he should have like if you said no
I really don't want him to go to great clips
He should have just been like, okay, then you take him kind of thing well
And I also want to say that this very well could be just like will trying to get a reaction out of me and like had
No plans to go to great clips also, you know, so that's that's exactly what I thought Chris was doing to me this weekend
I swear to you Lindsay
It's so crazy you say that because if you have your son only I think it's like he has the baby six days a month because
The baby doesn't go to school full-time
Why are you texting your texting me randomly on a Sunday morning at 8 30 most barber shops were not open at that time
So I honest to God like I really thought he texted me to get a reaction out of me
Versus to let me know what you were actually gonna do. I didn't think he was gonna do it
I thought he wanted me to react and then he wasn't gonna do it cuz he did that to me on Saturday
Yeah, so
That's probably like even worse because you thought oh this like really isn't happening and then the next thing
You know, you probably see like this picture or I don't know how it went down. No, I didn't see I didn't see a picture
I had mess I had emailed him and said I'm on my way like where where am I going?
I can go to your mom's and he's like that's when he emailed me back and said I'll send you a video
So if I don't know where the barber shop is yeah, I could wait outside your mom's house
But then are you gonna call the cops for harassment like that's the type of relationship that we have right now?
And I it's I don't know and then I was like, okay
he's either trying to get a reaction out of me or on the other hand he is gonna tell him like he's gonna
I'm gonna drive all the way to Wilmington, which is an hour away and
This man didn't even take him to get a haircut. He did it himself
But this came off the and I even said like just like where and when because I knew if I said no
He was gonna do it anyway. So then I thought after the fact well am I fucking crazy like should I have said no?
But then if I said no, he would have done it mind game
So this came off the heels of Saturday Lux had a basketball game 7th mind you he lives an hour away
So he the game was at 8 30 in the morning on Saturday
He emailed me at 7 22 a.m. And he said we're not coming
I did not see the email at 7 30 in the morning
I checked my email once I got to the school for the basketball game and I start
I literally sat in my car and I shed like two tears and I was like like just the mind games
So I pull off like I leave the parking lot get a FaceTime from Lux and he's like mom
I need my jersey. Oh, wow. Why did you even why did you email me at 7 30 the games at 8 30?
It takes you a literal hour to get from where you live to where I am
It takes you an hour to get there
So now I'm like my when I tell you my emotions were all over the fucking place then he does the haircut thing the next day
So it's like you didn't get the reaction that you wanted me out of that
I mean, I ended up saying for his game and stuff like that
But it's just like the emotional toll that it takes on you to the games
I mean even something as simple as like what you're describing with will it's like, you know that he goes to this barbershop
Why are you trying to divert from that? Like you want a reaction? You want to piss me off?
You want to take him away from his like routine and like whatever you guys have going on like I don't understand it
I really don't and it would be played off. I'm sure eventually when this is heard tomorrow
It'll be played off of you can't take a joke or like that was meant to be funny or whatever
And it's like last time I checked me joking with you ended back in July
So we don't really play jokes and tricks on each other anymore because I'm trying to effectively
Co-parent with you and do what's in the best interest for Jackson
And I'm sure you probably feel the same way with Lux and Creed like you're trying to
Do what's in the best interest of the boys and I just hope that it wasn't a traumatic experience
for Creed getting his haircut because little children
Some kids like Jackson used to be horrible at getting his haircuts
And he didn't have a traumatic experience the first time but I've heard like horror stories of people
talking about like how their kids first haircuts were just like really bad and then
It's kind of like going to the dentist one time and you have like a bad experience
And then it carries into the rest of your life that happened to me as a kid
So I just hope that it wasn't like a terrible terrible experience
And I feel for you as a mom because I know how emotional it was
It was for me cutting Jackson's hair for the first time and just like having the little clippings and
All the things for those of you. Sorry. We got on an emotional roller coaster for this part of Coffee Convos podcast. So
Oops, sorry. Real life happened. Welcome
I didn't want to say because
I have been so emotional this week. I
I text Kale last night and I said Kale, I don't have it in me to be able to watch teen mom family reunion and like
Deal with all of the emotional stuff and then anything that anybody has to say
When this releases. So I just don't want to watch it this week
and I
Don't have it in me to be able to recap and then
What did you have going on and you were like, oh, well, that's fine because
Is what were you doing? Well, first of all, when you texted that to me
I was literally in the baby's room rocking him and it was like 8 15 and I hadn't I realized oh, shit
I didn't even turn it on. You probably can't believe my legs
Yeah, I was so fucking relieved. I was rocking the baby
It was like 8 15 and you texted me and then I was I tweeted. I was like, when is there reruns?
But realistically speaking if you guys listen to coffee combos, you know, I have to schedule my tv time
So I just don't see me catching up first. So I think we're just going to take this week off to recap
And we'll be back next week. Yeah, hopefully we're both in a better emotional place to be able to
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The amount of messages that I have gotten over this josh dugger scandal stuff when I tell you
I bet the rabbit holes
That I have been able to go down and I just want to say this following segment contains mentions of sexual assault
So this is your trigger warning. If you don't like this segment, maybe fast forward like 30 minutes
And come back. We are going to pick up on may 28th 2015. I also want to say we're still in
In 2015 former arkansas state trooper jim hutchins spoke with in touch through a local law firm while serving
56 years in prison on child pornography charges
In the 2006 police report jim bob dugger said that he brought josh to hutchins for a stern
Talk hutchins never pursued the information in touch says that jim hutchins
Failure to report the abuse caused the police to stop their 2006 investigation because of the three-year statue of limitations had run out
Which I just want to say again goes back to this statue of limitations. Like I
Fucking hate it when it's dealing with crimes like this 100% 100% although someone did write in
um, I don't remember if I saw it on like my personal or if it was on coffee combos, but they basically said that um
The statute of limitations for like rape and things like that is not when you acknowledge it
I think it is when when it happens. So wait say that again. That's what the message said
So like last week we talked about the statute of limitations starting when you acknowledge the rape or the sexual assault or anything like that
It actually doesn't it starts when it happens. Got it. Okay. Yeah, I don't think that's fair because how do you really expect a victim to be able to
To process all of the emotions of things that have transpired
To be able to you know, we're talking about emotions on here to be able to move forward to have to address it
Oh, I mean, I've talked about it before on here. I was raped at 19 and
Never in a million years at the time
Would I have reported it or gone through that and like I couldn't even process it then now looking back. It's like, oh, shit
Um, you get what I'm saying like I feel like now that I'm older. I've been through therapy
It's been 10 a little well guess now 10 years. It'll be a little over 10 years
Um, just like I couldn't have processed it processed it at the time
And also just like not being believed or like ripped to shreds on the stand or you know
Things like that just like enough to get you to not report it
But like I don't think that all people are in a state to report the crime as soon as it happens
So and it's a whole nother level of trauma, right because yeah, it's like, okay
You probably feel like if I say this someone's not going to believe me
And if they don't believe me then I look like a liar trauma
If they do believe me and we move forward and have to go to court
Then I have to be humiliated by talking about what was done to me and will they believe me, right?
Yeah, so just wanted to say that so Hutchins disputes Jim Bob's account of the incident to in touch which
I'm not surprised by at all saying that he was only told about a single incident of abuse
Hutchins maintains that Jim Bob and josh told him that josh had inappropriately touched one girl through her clothing while she slept
And then Hutchins says that Jim Bob and josh claimed it only happened
And one time Hutchins also tells in touch that the duggers original account of the incident played a part in his decision
Not to report the alleged abuse
Lots to say about this too because inappropriate inappropriate inappropriate
This should have been reported period right no matter what regardless of
the level of
What this
Hutchins believes the severity was like it's not up to him to determine the severity of this whether the girl was asleep
Or she wasn't asleep
If it was through clothes
Or it wasn't it it still
Is inappropriate the fact that there's multiple outside people
In on this and involved with this and do nothing about this
It just says a lot about all of all of them and just all of the links back to the child
Pornography and the people that are involved with them
Have like that same link. It makes me feel so uncomfortable and like this is I don't want to say common practice
but like almost and I also am not shocked at all by
Jim Bob's accounts of
The situation because I have said and I maintain this that I think that
As a dad he was saying to himself. Oh, well, yeah, my son did this because he had to acknowledge it to some degree
But to downplay what his son did like that doesn't shock me. I don't like that at all
I'm I'm reading all of it with you and I'm just like you I don't have any words like how how do you downplay that?
Like I just as a parent if that was my child
I would be infuriated like it would just be like, you know, you love your kids through everything
But like to downplay that I just I can't I can't like no, there's just no
So I'm going to read this quote and I want you to give me your immediate thoughts
Okay, I did what I thought was right and obviously it wasn't if I had to do it over again
I would have told him immediately
I'm going to call the hotline and contacted the trooper that worked those cases and have a full report made
I thought I could handle it myself and I worry that something else may have happened
And I would be responsible for it in my opinion by not reporting it
The young girl should have been my first priority
1000% one that's from Jim Hudgens
Um, he should not have thought about anything else
But the young girl well and girls in general because there are multiple girls involved in this
That should have been the only not trying to protect Jim bob not trying to protect josh
Not trying to protect anything other than that young girl because now like I said before when we've talked about similar cases is like
Her her entire life very well may be affected by this
Supposed one incident, which I don't believe is the case. I think that yes 100% agree with this statement and
The victim should have been the only person considered
I just don't understand how anything else was considered. I really don't I really don't like he says, um,
I did what I thought I what was right and it obviously wasn't
No, shit Sherlock because any person with a brain would have been like, oh, wow, let's protect this girl at all costs
Not oh, wow, let's protect the abuser and his dad at all costs. I know we had um, we had someone wrote wrote on a comment
Or something that was like, oh
Jim bob and with the mom's name Anna Michelle
They commented and said oh like they can't control what their son does
No, they can't you as a parent you can never control what you're going to do even as a child
You did I didn't see your response. Yeah
Um, what did you say?
no, they didn't and
My response was that I'm not placing blame on them for
Josh's actions because ultimately as parents we can't control everything that our kids do
But it's how you handle the situation and how you address it and in my personal opinion
The way that it has been handled has been completely wrong agreed and I'm not helping my child cover up any type of sexual assault
Molestation anything like that. I'm not helping them
But back to this statement you've got to consider that Jim Hutchins is also serving 56 years in prison on child pornography charges
so I'm thinking what was
What was his interest in
Not reporting this did other people like
Know that he
Had an issue with child pornography like did he fear that like maybe his skeletons could come out of the closet?
Like I don't know. Yeah, you know, like obviously he had issues himself
So to expect someone who has those types of issues himself that serving 56 years in prison for
similar but different things
To have the expectation that he's going to do the right thing when he's obviously involved in
completely morally corrupt activity
You can't really place that expectation because he's morally corrupt himself, right? That makes sense
That's yeah, that's a good point. So now we are at June 3rd
2015 jim bob and michelle appear on tv for the first time since the news of the
Sex scandal and the first time like since it the news broke
So the duggers acknowledge on the interview that four of josh's victims were their daughters and the fifth victim
was a babysitter. I
Don't know if I had four daughters and a son
And these things had happened to my girls or even like if I had a daughter and this happened to my son
um, I would I'm going to say that it would not be safe for the child who
Did that to be present my girls?
It wouldn't be safe for me to be around that child because I don't know what my capabilities would be at that point
I would be so angry and so devastated
devastated
The robbery that these girls have had to deal with
Is so sad and then to know that they kind of became victims of their parents as well because
their parents are also doing things to
Minimize what their son has done. Yep. I never and I didn't think about that either
So now they've been victimized three times actually because it's what their brother did what their parents didn't do
And then reliving it when all of this comes to light and I don't I could not even imagine how
those girls have felt and then to just know that their family is so publicly followed and just the
shame and embarrassment and
And exploitation and exposure. I can't even imagine like I almost feel bad for talking about it
Knowing that these girls had to go through this
But also there does need to be a level of awareness that like this is not okay. No, it's not okay
We were just updated that
Josh is currently in jail or prison
So he's already been prosecuted and trying to appeal the prosecution. Yeah
Nope, I think that he belongs in jail. He needs to stay there and I don't know how his wife is staying by his side through any of this
Like that's just a fucking joke. So I'm going to end the dugger stuff on a message that I got
and I had originally messaged this woman back and told her that
She can send me any information that she wants to send me
But I would not reveal her name and she said that it's perfectly fine to reveal her name because she had been on
Um, you know other news stations and stuff exposing them
So this was the message that I received and her name is Rachel Wynn
She said she grew up just like the duggers. It's a religious group known as independent fundamental Baptist
Men are the leadership and women submit to their husbands
They believe in being modest in all things, which is why the women only wear skirts and dresses below the knee
They sexualize everything and if a man rapes cheats or anything like that, they blame the woman for being a modest
The church I grew up in was full of abuse
The pastor I grew up with was eventually caught and turned in for sexually abusing multiple women
Some of the higher ups in the church
Knew that he had court cases and was placed on probation
The church told the congregation that he had liver cancer and was undergoing treatment for it
Turns out he was dealing with legal issues involving assault to a woman
He eventually got caught and found out that he hanged himself in jail
The way they brainwashed the women is making them stay home with the children take care of the household chores and be a
Help meet their husband as they say and do they teach you to stand by your husband at all times and divorce is not an option
And that's why I hate this for anna dugger. She will never open her eyes and leave her husband. Just watch
She will stay married to him because that's her husband. No matter what they brainwash
So much it is incredible. Anyways after the pastor did what he did they brought in another pastor
He covered up multiple child sexual abuse
I think that there was four people arrested in the situation back in 2008 the church
I went to had a slight association with the duggers. I even have a picture of michelle dugger holding my daughter from a conference
I attended with them cringe
You can find lots of information about exposing abuse at the preachers boy podcast. It's a crazy crazy cult
I'm no longer in that cult. Thank god i've been removed from it for about 10 years now
It just makes me so mad what josh dugger did. Here's the picture of my daughter with michelle
If you look up fourth fort worth texas star telegram by sarah smith
You can see an entire article. She did about abuse. She interviewed me for it. So i'm in near somewhat
You don't have to keep my name quiet. I've been on our local news station exposing them before
I
Have chills right now. Like i'm sitting on my hands, but I have fucking chills right now
That's so disturbing and just it always amazes me when I hear from people who
Go against what they were raised to believe because I also feel that i'm that way
Like my entire family obviously believes in god and you know all of that
But I pretty much go not against it like in a in aggressive way. I just like I challenge, you know the beliefs or whatever and so it always
is um
I always want to hear other people's story and I want to know how she got out of the cult
And people like inna dugger like I don't know if she'll ever open her eyes if she'll see any other way
Like when you are ingrained that those types of beliefs are ingrained in you so hard from the time that you're an infant all the way to
You know through adulthood like she's gonna stay married to him and what abstinent for the rest of her life
I'm just like the level of
Sickness that is going on is just not it's not okay
And I also feel like even though it's talked about
There's like youtubers bloggers whatever that cover this
It's just like not enough
I don't have anything
Significant to add other than I hope that the girls that were victimized have some sort of closure
And are able to get through this like I really hope that they're okay
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Before we move on, um, I did want to say that I saw this one article that was talking about arkansas
And it said that arkansas had joined new york new jersey and california
Um, as the next state to extend the statute of limitations for cases of childhood sexual abuse. It says senate bill
676 or the justice for vulnerable victims of sexual abuse act will allow arkansas child sex abuse survivors to file civil claims
Against those who harmed them past the existing age of 21 up to the age of 55
Additionally, the law creates a retroactive two-year window during which any claim no matter how old may be brought
Wow. Yeah, so it says this bill is another step in the right direction of tracking down those who prey upon our children
So we're going to end there on the duggar stuff and we will be picking up next week
Kale, yes
Tell me about any of this research that you've done over these 12 people that were poisoned at hotels
Okay, so first let me just give you all a little backstory
So I had seen this video on tiktok and I sent it to lindsay because I was so freaked out
Um, I'm gonna read the article. It was a tiktok that I saw and then pulled up an article post the tiktok
So you guys can see it. Yeah. Yeah, for sure 13 people hospitalized for carbon monoxide
Exposure in at ohio hotel pool
Um, this was january 30th 13 people were hospitalized for exposure to carbon monoxide
In ohio after a two-year-old girl lost consciousness in the pool of a hampton inn hotel
Um, and the chief of police, tony brooks told the columbus dispatch that dispatchers in mariesville
Received 911 calls the girl had either fallen into the pool or was found unconscious in it around 5 30 p.m. Saturday
Um, two of the patients are listed as being in critical condition after suffering carbon monoxide poisoning and since then have been stabilized
Thankfully five patients are in serious condition and at least four other patients have been released from the hospital
Um, how insane that reminds me like kind of but different
do you remember like years ago that
the family came from the united states to
Mexico and went to that era bmb and got carbon monoxide poisoning people couldn't get in touch with them
They went to check on them and they were all dead. Do you remember that? I don't remember that. No
Yeah, I'm like and honestly stuff like that freaks me the fuck out because
Have you ever been asleep like at night and one of your
Alarms go off like your smoke detector like the batteries going dead or like the carbon monoxide detector
um,
Mm-hmm. It's literally terrifying and I don't even know what a death like that would I mean obviously
I don't know what any death would feel like but that to me is absolutely terrifying
Well, I understand that like things like that can happen
But I just feel like something like this is so like don't you have?
um
Like carbon monoxide detectors and stuff at hotels and things like that like I just feel like you should have them in your house
So shouldn't you have them at like hotels and stuff?
I'm not sure that you can even like have a house. It doesn't have carbon monoxide detectors
Um, and I think the story with the airbnb
I think that that was like an issue because there was like no regulation with that
But I imagine that it would be very different for hotels
But I want to look up to find out what like the protocol is on switching batteries and stuff
I've heard I've heard with smoke detectors that you should pick like one person's birthday and change it that time every year
I don't know if it's the same for carbon monoxide detectors or not
Some fire detectors are also carbon monoxide detectors and the firefighter who I used to be like we were better friends before
We just like grew apart or whatever
I know I could still like call him if I need him
He told me to change batteries every time we do daylight savings or like when the time changed
Yeah, um to always do change the batteries at that time. Well, we need to post awareness for this because I feel like
Okay, well, so I'm going to read a stat really quick
Um each year more than 400 Americans die from unintentional co poisoning not linked to fires and more than 20,000
Visit to the emergency room and it says more than 4,000 are hospitalized. That's according to the cdc
Symptoms of carbon monoxide poisoning include headache dizziness vomiting
confusion and chest pains according to the centers for disease control and prevention
Um carbon monoxide is an odorless gas that can cause death
I don't know. Did I send you the video of the girl who was the door dashing now? Wait, what?
Okay, that one is very similar to this
I'm going to send it to you and I'm we're also going to post that one because this woman saved this man's life
because he was about she was door dashing and she
Said that she dropped the groceries off at the door and she felt like the man who came to the door was like really sick
Like he didn't look right and she said that she knew that she was not supposed to go inside at all
Like that's like not what you're supposed to do but something in her gut was telling her to go inside and like help him
So she did and she said that immediately upon entering she started getting dizzy and stuff and um
She texted I guess the daughter or something who set up the door dash
It was like I know that I'm not supposed to do this
But if I end the job like I won't be able to tell you what I saw
Something's not right like whatever whatever she messaged. I have chills talking about this
She messaged back saying that like there was a gas leak in the house
So the door dasher had saved this man's life. I have chills. Oh my god
So I want to and her tick tock went like buku viral and has like 20 million views
Because she's sobbing while she's telling the story and um, that is basically just saying yeah
So I I forgot about that tick tock. So if I didn't send it, I'm gonna resend it to you and then we can post it
Yes, I would love to see it. Uh speaking of tick tock. I feel like I have I'm not a tick tocker
Like I don't post anything at all
But every day I carve out time in my day and scroll through tick tock
And I saw someone I can't remember if it was like a tweet or somebody sent me a message or whatever
But it was like do we realize that tick tock is basically like the new version of america's funniest home videos
Oh
I don't google things anymore. I go to
Um search on tick tock because tick tock comes up with like actual results for every fucking thing known to mankind
so
This leads me to a tick tock that I saw about the psychology of kindle Jenner and if you guys don't like the Kardashians
Like I care, but like I saw this video. I also don't care because I am invested
I needed to ask you was stormy and the baby that was just born one day apart
Yeah, that's what I thought two to
22 and I'm like, okay
Was she induced so that it could have that birthday like Ethan Klein and illa kines baby was also born on 2222
I'm just obsessed with the birthday. Um, I wonder if the baby's name is angel
Apparently that's like a rumor that's going around if that is the baby's name. You heard it here first
Um, but we'll also post this video. You said that you saw it kill the psychology of kindle Jenner
Yes, so it was talking about how she is the most detached Kardashian and then up next would be
Kylie just because they were so young when they came into the fame and
You truly do never really see Kylie
Speak out about anything or have an opinion about anything that really matters and
Kindle when she does speak out she completely missteps like she's a bit tone deaf. Um, there was some issues with the pepsiad
Um, they had they were wearing this late biggie and tupac shirt and had their faces all over it and then sold it for profit
Um, something to do with like her tequila line and just posting on her instagram while the astral world tragedy was
happening and kindles always finding herself in controversy and
She only took down the stuff that she had posted during the astral world tragedy
When people started attacking her over social media and I thought that also prior to that
Um, bone had me watch this like old scene from the Kardashians where like Kendall is like randomly
Deciding to like voice her opinion with like gun violence
And it was just like you have never seen what gun violence can do
You have no like and then she was like worried and then she didn't want to like full go balls to the walls with like
Gun violence awareness and then she was late to this like lunch or would I I don't understand
Like did she just like randomly pick out of a hat and decide that that was what she was going to go for out of all things?
I I don't know but I think it goes back to like I don't know how old she was whenever she was doing this
But it's just I don't think maybe
She really thinks before she speaks
I think that she's probably if I had to guess she's probably like a bit of an anxious person
Like she seems like she's somebody that has anxiety. So maybe sometimes like she means well
But the way that it comes across is very ignorant
But it was interesting because it says on this tiktok that it's not a psychological conversation
It's a classism conversation
And it was talking about how your socio economic status does have power to impact your thoughts feelings and behaviors
And I couldn't agree with that statement more. I just when you watch the video you're like, oh
Yeah, I mean like we kind of already knew
Yeah, we we've already known that they were the most detached but like also like when they put it into perspective of like the psychology behind it
You're like, oh, wow. Okay. That makes sense and you have to consider too that
Specifically kindle and Kylie
They were and I don't want to like knock on what they've done with
Their makeup lines and kindle, you know being a model and whatever but in the same sense
they were given a silver platter and
And then they did something with it and I know that you have talked about how
People expect you to kind of like stay
Stuck where you were when you started tv and it made me think about you whenever I was watching this because I'm like, okay
Well, it's like a lose-lose, right? Because if you better yourself
Then you're gonna be talked about for bettering yourself, right?
But if you don't and you say stay stuck
Then it's going to be the total opposite effect and it's going to be like well
She has access to you know, all of these things and chooses to not capitalize on it
So like how do you really how do you really win?
I mean you could start by picking something that actually affects your own life and
Correct. I mean, I'm just speaking on like Kendall Jenner for me. It would make sense for me to talk about things like rate or
um, I think oftentimes too that
um, people try to speak on
situations that are
popular topics to discuss or trending whatever and not really like they're having an opinion just to have an opinion
But it's not something that they're passionate about and I think that that's where some of the tone deafness comes in, right?
It's like, yeah, let's talk about things that we're either educated on or passionate about or
Or that we want to gain a better knowledge
And it's okay like not to know about something but to act like you know about something and like you're standing for something that you don't really
Have a reason to does that make sense?
Totally and that's why I wouldn't it's funny that you brought this up because
The episode with the Kardashians about like the gun control stuff like you could if you watch the episode
Which I just sent Kristen the link for like a portion of it. Um, it was five years ago. I will say that
Um, but Kendall says like she is all for it and she's passionate about it
But she's fearful about speaking out against guns and it's just like very tone deaf
I feel like because it's just like doesn't I don't know
Yeah, so I'm gonna post that tip talk for you guys to be able to see because it was eye-opening for me
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We're gonna do foul play but before we do foul play
I wanted to find out I'm trying to like gauge
The audience and find out how interested
You guys are on a follow-up with
Brittany Spears and Jamie Lynn because I feel like it's uh every week
Every day thing currently going on and if you guys truly aren't interested in it
Then I don't want to spend a whole bunch of time talking about it
But if it is of interest then I think it's definitely something to follow. I mean, I'm definitely down to talk about it
I think um, I did start listening to the call her daddy
Interview with Jamie Lynn Spears. Um, I didn't get all the way through it yet
But I so I don't want to comment on it until I get all the way through it
Um, I understand why she did it because obviously Alex has a job and her job is call her daddy
Um, but I I do want to follow up on all of it
Okay, so let's potentially plan to do that for next week
And I hope that you guys are interested because I have quite a bit of things to say about it because where
I thought I felt one way. I feel different now. So
Um, I need to know more before we go
I
Always try to go into a situation like open minded with everything these days
If you tell me you're on Jamie Lynn Spears' side now, I feel like I'm gonna have to exit the chat
I remember I was like, you know, I want to give her the benefit of the doubt
Maybe it's just like she was under this NDA and like a gag order and she can't talk and you know
Now she's gonna do these interviews because she's doing this book and maybe she's gonna like tell us stuff and yeah
No, I don't feel like that. I feel like once it was released my total
Brain like shifted a different direction like one side turned off and the other side turned on and it was like, okay
Like I actually hate Jamie Lynn Spears. Yeah. Yeah, can't stand her cannot stand her everything that she did
I don't care. She it's fucking shallow like though
You you couldn't even have said I said it before so I'll say it again
like you couldn't even have stood up when the time was right and
And necessary now because you're gonna make some money off of it
You think it's an appropriate time for you to tell all which is not actually all it's just a bunch of bullshit like fuck off
And I just want to also say and then we're doing foul play. I don't care what you say. Um
I just want to say that
Brittany comes off and some of the stuff that she says like, oh, you know, she's just like crazy and she's out there
It's like you don't know what this girl has been through
And now she's lashing out and it's so easy to call the person that's out there defending themselves
It's easy to dub them as crazy and unhinged and whatever when delusional
Yeah, it's it's like this episode has come full circle because in the beginning of the episode
I talked about people provoking me and antagonizing me and to the point that I lash out. It's the same for Britney Spears
You all have pushed her so fucking hard and then when she finally has her voice back and she finally is able to speak for herself
She doesn't what is she what else can she do? Correct?
Y'all have ruined her name and dragged her through the fucking mud like no fuck off
So yeah, we're definitely going to talk about next week foul play
I'm okay. So new to the city and out for girls night friend made gumbo for dinner and provided rum shots
Which I'm actually not a drinker, but I love rum. That's me saying that not the woman writing
I do like rum
Uh bocardi dragonberry for pregame great night out and feeling like a boss bitch waited in line to get in the
Into the next bar when all of the sudden my stomach twisted and had their urge to shit hard real hard
Thought I would wait until I got inside but within a minute the shit literally hit the fan and began to
Exorcist style exit my body as I sprinted in heels away from the line and into the closest alley I could get
To
Mind you I was also in a dress this bitch has a chair running down her legs
facts poor thing
Is this you by the time I got this?
Hot neighbor might be listening. Don't call me out like that. I'm just kidding. Um by the time I got to the alley
And spot and it was all over my body
overly drunk as fuck one
Oh, I started crying hysterically and called my husband boyfriend at the time to come and pick me up
My friends were freaking out wondering where I disappeared to and several good people passing by
Saw a girl crying alone and stopped to offer to help since I was literally sitting in my own nasty shit
I would yell at them to not come close and
What a model citizen I was
My husband finally got to me and I obviously was laughing hysterically
I was sensitive a.k.a drunk as fuck and tried to tell him I'd walk home
So he couldn't see slash smell me. So I opened the door to exit and he grabbed my shitty leg to stop me
My friends to this day think I only peed myself. Not that I shit all over. Okay. Well
If they're listening to this
Then they know that you have shit yourself
um, yeah
I couldn't think of a worse scenario to be honest
Um, I knew at the point that gumbo was mentioned that it was going to be a shit story
immediately immediately like immediately
um
Could you just imagine like actually you probably can't imagine just having like the instant urgent
Need to shit. Well, that's like what's hard because I
Have a very sensitive stomach like there is no
If I have to poop like there's no holding it
There is no like it is exiting my body at all costs and and most likely it's going to do so at a rapid
rate
so um
I
I would not try new food or food that like may have may have made my stomach upset before
Like in life. I would not try it before I would go out or eat a new restaurant without bringing like pep-do-bismol or like
What's the other one? Not gas X. What's the other one? I don't know
No, uh gas X
No, what Kristen? What's the other one? No, there's another one that you're you're a modium
Immodium wait. Okay. So kale obviously has like diarrhea problems, but
Oh my god, not diarrhea just a sensitive stomach
Well diarrhea sensitive stomach like it all goes hand in hand, right? So I could totally see this happening to you
Have you ever shit yourself? No ever ever in your life. Oh actually one time actually, um, I think I was
around about six years old or seven years old
I had like that doesn't count. I had like the flu and like shit myself in the back seat
Whatever like grow up
Okay, I have the opposite problem
I don't know
No, that doesn't count. You're you were six. You were a child. Yeah, you said if you ever shit yourself
You didn't specify adulthood like shit yourself
Shit yourself through adult in adulthood. Wait speaking of I need to know how many people like do you shit when you give birth?
Um, no like specifically you I can't speak for I can't speak for every all times that I've given birth
I just know for a fact I was in the clear of not shitting for at least two out of four births
Okay, I don't think I should either at least I was told that I didn't shit
But maybe that was just to like be nice to me. Um, but yeah, the only time I've ever shit myself
I was like six let's say like six seven eight years old had the flu backseat of my mom's Honda
And we'll never forget it. She took me to my grandmother's house had to take a bath. It's tragic. Oh
Uh, I think we had gone to the bread store or something and like got bread and I'd shit myself on the way to my grandmother's house
Literally awful, but I've never shit myself since then it probably was like so traumatic that I would literally tighten my butthole
So hard that like that would never happen
But I have the opposite problem of diarrhea. I maybe go to the bathroom one time a week like maybe
um
I think that's probably why I when I do go to the bathroom
It is immediate because I also have that problem. You do so like yes
Like I poop like once a week maybe twice a week and so like if I eat something bad or if I eat something that is
Making my stomach upset like immediately have to go to the bathroom. Um, no one's gonna like this literally. Oh, absolutely
They're never they're gonna literally unsubscribe
Um, please don't but like like I would consider taking us out if they unsubscribe but like also leaving it in
Because I feel like this is stuff that people need to know and I need to know if you are a
Like once or twice a week shitter or if you are like explosive diarrhea all the time because I feel like it's kind of
It's a combo for me because I will shit my brains out
If I eat fast food after five days of not shitting because that's regular for me not to shit kill
Especially when I travel if I get on a plane. I'm not
Totally not shitting for at least four days max. Oh, I mean minimum
That's called there's like a saying about that or something like it's like got a name. It's like nervous shit. No
It's not nervous. It sucks. It's like what is it traveler shits or something like that traveler shits
I have that but it's like, okay, but have you ever been somewhere?
I have that too. Have you ever been somewhere and it's like you can't poop for four days
And then you immediately walk into your house and it's like your toilets calling your name
Literally, let me tell you a story real quick before we go
One time. I don't know if I've told this story before
I was seeing this guy. I'm not naming him name him and
I'll know probably who it is. Keep going. We got Chinese food and I should have known better
than to eat Chinese food with someone that I was like newly seeing
and um
Immediately was like I need to go to the bathroom
But like thank god he fell asleep on the couch because I
Had to and then I was like because I was dating him. I was like, okay clearly. I'm home
I am shitting my brains out and I immediately need to go take a shower
So I like went to the bathroom and then I went I had to like go walk in front of him like quick quickly like
Tiptoe in front of him to get up to my shower and he then he wakes up suddenly and goes. Where are you going?
I was like, oh my god. I cannot tell this man like I opened the window in the bathroom and I was like
I what am I gonna say that I just shit myself and I needed I didn't actually shit myself
But like I just shit my brains out and I need to go take a shower like what was I supposed to say?
I don't know. Are you he knew?
No
Like it's and the podcast we're done. Literally. It's not a thing and we're not ending because you never followed through with posting
Your poses of shaving. Oh, fuck. I should do that now. Look this new shower is down and I'm gonna I'm gonna set up the tripod
I'm gonna keep telling you about it until I see them and I don't do not send them my text message
I want to log on instagram and be surprised by them. Yes, please
I feel like we should flip this episode around. I feel like all of this should be at the front
And then all the fucking sad dramatic shit should be at the end should be at the end
You know just hot neighbor is gonna hear this and he's gonna be like, oh
She is full of just like shit sad things and drama
That I can't listen to the rest of this podcast. Oh hot
Oh
Oh hot neighbor on that note
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