Coffee Convos with Kail Lowry and Lindsie Chrisley - 206: Everything Will Come To Light EVER

Episode Date: February 17, 2022

Kail's in her new house! The "iconic" Farrah Abraham! Chelsea Houska's new HGTV show! Is Jamie Lynn Spears an opportunist? Is Kim Kardashian safe? Is ten beers too many? PLUS: A Brian Laundrie update - AND even more 2015 Duggar Drama! Check out our great sponsors!!! Catalina Crunch: Go to catalinacrunch.com/coffeeconvos for 15% off your first order P LUS FREE SHIPPING  Bloom: Get 15% off your purchase of Bloom's Greens & Superfoods blend when you go to bloomnu.com/coffee  Peloton: Visit onepeloton.com to learn more!

I hate gift giving and receiving receiving gifts is so weird. What do you say? Thank you? This is coffee convos with Kale Lowry and Lindsay Chrisley. I really want you to be in your feels Kale That does not interest me whatsoever. I feel very attacked by you a spirited discussion about motherhood friendship Family and life in the public eye. I'm just not with the fakery anymore. There's a fakery bakery around here. Here's Kale and Lindsay Hello everyone copy combo podcast Oh Wait when I first got on this I immediately had to turn off the camera because I had therapy literally minutes before this and

Look like a cry face. So You know like a cry what like I have a worse cry face and Kim Kardashian like it's bad I can't do see my frown. Let me see. Oh my gosh. Wait. Why are you like that? Okay, so what's going on anything new? Um, yeah, lots is new. I moved into the new house on Monday It's been a very humbling experience. So I think the last time I moved I said that I would hire movers for the next one and I just didn't do that and I waited till last minute And I thought it was gonna be easier than it was and just having no furniture No cable and our internet is just so humbling

And so that I also had a very similar experience to what you described when you talked about the shower being clogged after you moved into your new build and Water got all over the place. Well, when they hooked up my washer and dryer, they like didn't hook it up It was just like barely connected. Does that make sense? Oh, yeah the so when the washer was started water went everywhere and thankfully like Natalie and My friend Adrienne who's also like my handy guy was there and he was like, I heard water went everywhere. It was absolutely crazy And it was just like I told Kevin Kevin's my builder I told Kevin about your experience and he's like, oh, like don't even worry like whatever

Totally know that like it wasn't his fault But I was just cracking up some like this would fucking happen to me But thankfully it didn't happen upstairs because upstairs. I have carpet and downstairs. I don't so I'm just glad that it didn't happen Other than that the I had two other things on my list of just like minor life updates We got the washer story no furniture humbling the fuck out of you and just like I mean really brings me back to my humble beginnings of 16 and pregnant. Tell me what happened with the furniture. Why don't you have furniture? My couches don't come until next month. Wait, so I have what are you doing? Cuz who you should buy inflatable couches, you know, like, you know, like the blow-up furniture that we used to have like in the 90s

Yeah, that was amazing and you had to have it. I had to I had a set of like clear with Yeah, and then I had like a blue blow-up chair, but it was crazy because we never really used them No, I used them as much as you would know I used one, but like I didn't really use my blow-up butterfly clear ones I never really I feel like the blue one that I had like you need to buy those for the next month And it's like an experience, you know while you're waiting I am yeah, I waxed my nose hairs yesterday as what you did I've been wanting to do that for some time now But every time I go to get like my eyebrows wax I always get embarrassed to be like

Hey, can you wax my nose hairs because what if you're like, no, I don't do that You could check their price sheet and see if it's no, I feel like that's a thing. They don't advertise Um, yeah, I mean, I don't think that I mean, could you imagine seeing like a flyer or a billboard that says like nose hair waxing? No one does that could you you know what I mean? It's just like not like a pretty thing to advertise It didn't hurt at all. I tick tock to the whole experience and I was very surprised because I I feel like if you pluck a nose hair out You basically cry, but when you wax them out like I'm talking I'm not talking like a tattoo where people are like, oh, it doesn't really hurt But then it actually does and it feels like razor blades

nose hair waxing Literally doesn't wait, but like it was so weird Is it like a wax ball and you stick it up there with a stick and like pull it out? Yeah, so I was also didn't think about the wax put like the because I was like, what are you gonna do? She'll have a strip up there. Yeah, like to pull it out But I hadn't I had the the esthetician go first and she like used the stick and then when I saw that she left The stick in there. I was like, oh like that makes so much sense It's just such an interesting experience and it doesn't get everyone on my tick tock was like

Why would you do that? Like nose hairs are to protect like whatever whatever I'm like first of all I didn't know that at 30 years old that I was gonna have nose hairs growing out of my nose Like I didn't know that was like a side effect of old age So I was like, um, I'm not gonna pluck them because I feel like I cry I would cry So I've tried to pluck them with tweezers before and literally it's the most painful Experience. I think I experience less pain and childbirth Then that right but I will tell you I've found like the best nose hair trimmer ever is from Manscaped Oh good. I'm gonna write that down because I also love me. I just like manscaped products in general

Um, it's like small. I love that, you know, like some nose hair tremors that I've had before They're like big but this one's like small enough to get in the little hole Yeah, I there's a lot of nose hairs still up there like I didn't put my finger up there But I can see why I love that we're tall. I hope everyone loves this super personal story nose hair. I think that everybody will love it Peloton I actually just moved my peloton from the old house to the new house last night at like 9 p.m Because I was like, I just need to get on the peloton and peloton is pushing you further with so much new on the peloton bike and peloton bike plus you have new classes new music and new ways to keep your workouts fun and motivating So you need to check this out. Okay

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I'm gonna tell you that I am not gonna have time to go back and watch the episode that we missed so Got a lot of messages about it and whatever, but I'm I didn't have two hours this week to like dedicate to that So we're just gonna pick up like where we we left off, right? Okay, so I watched it this morning I wrote a couple notes down I feel like I was a little bit out of the loop because I also didn't see last week, but on today's or yesterday's episode Farrah and Macy like meet up for brunch or whatever and I just want to say that like in my opinion In a not in a not great way like Farrah is kind of iconic, but not in a positive way Like it's just like whether you watched Teen Mom or not, you know who Farrah Abraham is like you just know

I will say that There's a lot of pride in this franchise in my opinion and in some senses I feel like There's reason for that because some girls Feel that they are the reason for other people's come up And so I think that Farrah just takes that to the next level, but I don't think that Farrah could say Fairly that she is the reason for anyone. Well, she does she started with Macy Amber and Caitlin

So she can't really say anything. She said it about. I think she said it about Cheyenne and Cory and Ashley and bar. I mean, I feel like everyone just needs to take everything that Farrah says with a grain of salt It doesn't excuse what she says or does but I just it's just take it with a fucking grain of salt Don't take it too personally. She's clearly deranged I'm not gonna like quote her but I believe that it was said that she paved the way for younger talent that have come on the show and That basically they became famous for riding someone else's coattails

Interesting, that's really interesting I did see that they did like a flashback of Cory approaching Farrah and asking Farrah if she thinks that they had a baby to get on the show Which again is like first of all, I think in one of the episodes Cheyenne specifically says that she didn't have a baby as a teen but she had a baby young and She wasn't even associated with the franchise. So no, she was on a completely different show She didn't have a baby to get on this like she couldn't have guessed in a million years that they would have picked Cory and Cheyenne to be on Teen Mom Do you know what I'm saying? Yeah, like when they were when they were vetting people to be on the show like Cheyenne

Couldn't have guessed that like you know like when people are like, oh, you know girls want to get pregnant to be on the show It's like okay, but you understand that they pick literally four girls like what are your chances and wasn't Bristol? Like the replacement on their first before Cheyenne. Yes. Yes. I'm just like that's just that's weird. So um, yeah I'm not gonna lie like it's not even funny to be laughing about it, but it's like you said I Think fear is existence is iconic whether it's you know positive or negative iconic Yeah, like everyone Who her wild ass self her arriving was a triggering problem for her nervous system just to Describe it like that in the episode

I was like wow like fear really goes to the next level in her descriptions of what is going on I mean her view and perspective on things and like normally I would I would say that I think that people like her say things like for engagement for you know to go viral But like I I genuinely think that Farrah believes the things that she says like I think that that is her true perspective I don't think she says it for clout or for Attention I think she genuinely believes that She says something about like I don't even know the names of their children talking about Cheyenne and Corey You know it's just like Farrah shut like yes, you do

Like shut the heck up and Macy says like did you ever look at like make a sound at a dog? And they kind of like move their their head to understand like what are you doing like that was the perfect example of how everyone Views Farrah like we just don't understand what is going on and because I feel like Early on in her story like thinking back to teen mom. Oh gee. I feel like Farrah From what I watched was a little Misunderstood and it got worse like as the years went on But I was like wow she's like dedicated to her schooling and she wants to make her schooling a prayer

Like I try to give her the benefit of the doubt But like as time went on it just was it got what like weirder and weirder so I don't I don't know Um, I do when Macy says in the episode that oh good. No, I just want to say This is like a completely outsider's perspective. So don't get mad at me when I say this I wasn't on a show at 16. So I do think that some of um, what Farrah is experiencing is like the I'm trying to think about how to say this like Amanda Bynes kind of situation there's a lot of Amanda Bynes vibes, but I think because

the show Kind of there's no other nice way to say it like it has in a lot of ways glorified teen pregnancy And because there is a paycheck that was associated, uh, whether it be substantial or not I think that There is a responsibility that MTV has to take for some of the behaviors because they've been allowed Like these behaviors would never be allowed in other productions in my opinion. It's so interesting I don't it's because I've only been on what like two or three reality shows and so and they all work If I showed up to chris knows best the way that it appears that people show up to

Teen mom or teen mom family reunion like immediately fired Well, I think I don't want to say that some shows are like curated to be a certain way But I I can't describe like I nobody on it on a show on e Could show up like we show up to teen mom like it's just not that type of network It's not that type of so I it's hard to describe like the different like even love and hip-hop on bh1 Which is owned by the same network or the same like company as mtv is like they have hair and makeup and stuff Like the teen mom franchise is just like very very different very so I do think that because certain behaviors were allowed and

Never called down and then she was continued to be produced on teen mom. It's kind of like You're rewarding bad behaviors because there's this production element, which is not Normal and most scenarios when you're talking about teen pregnancy, you know so I do think in fair situation Some some people can handle it better than others and I think fair just was one that that wasn't able to Manage that part, but then you said something about macy. So what what's the deal? Oh, I was gonna say um when macy's talking to fair She says that she wants fair to like open up and come, you know open-minded and things like that

Um and she says that they get into the nitty-gritty and talk about their childhoods and based on what I've seen so far I just don't feel like they do as much of that as they keep saying Um and it like everything is like this is life changing and this is this and this is this and this is the nitty-gritty And this is our child. I just don't I don't get that feeling like I'm not discrediting or discounting what they may have Experienced off-camera like maybe a lot of it just didn't make it on screen But as a viewer and not someone who has been on the show before I personally don't see as much as they're claiming they experienced Um, so I just wrote that down. I also what else we got? I also said that that um, I just think that production missed the boat a lot

On this show. They're talking about all of this therapy and it's like, okay Well, then show us about it, you know, like I think there should have been more emphasis on that part And then I also found it to be just interesting because I do know how the back end of production works and it's just funny to watch Production move and have the cast explaining why they're not participating in certain activities Like every person that didn't participate in the ropes course for example on this. It's like they Had an on-camera explanation as to why they weren't Doing it. Yeah, well, and that was weird to me too. Like defeats the whole purpose if people aren't doing certain things

um, I think it was Brianna amber and Cheyenne and Zach all four of them did not participate in the ropes thing um, they briefly have a like 30 second conversation with lia and about jaylin and saying that like Jaylin lives in georgia and she doesn't want to live together But just but wants him to move closer and things like that. And so I just that part of the whole episode didn't really feel Like it fit into anything Um, I keep thinking lia is going to be a bigger part of every episode and then like she's not Yeah, I I thought she was going to have like full main character

Moments, but there just hasn't been a main character. I think it happens next week. That's going to be my guess. Um I will say though that I am proud of lia for if they're going to try to make it work for him to like get his own place because That's the only way with kids involved and like trying to manage all of these schedules and really like being able to actually date and live in the same place and go on dates and it be more frequent and It be like a normal dating situation versus you can't really get to know someone's life If you're living far apart and the dates are like sporadic and few and far between and then you're like trying to manage kids That person needs to be

In the life to see exactly what's going on. So I do think that's a wise decision So then ashley talks about her in bar and being married but not really together and that they need some tlc Um, it's always interesting for me when I hear other people say that like marriage isn't what they thought it was. Um, and it's so it's so Crazy to think about actually being married and what that does to a relationship I think some people it doesn't affect them and other people it's like, okay. Now we have this like I'm your wife. You're my husband thing and it does change their dynamic a little bit Personally after being married and divorced. I do not understand the obsession or emphasis put on couples to get married Um outside of like legal rights or an emergency and you know how they do like next of kin or

Whoever gets to make the decision and if you're not married your mom, I guess makes the decision your parents Um, but what a living will also make that a thing. I feel like we've talked about this before. Um, we have I just can't remember Like what I don't know because I have a living I don't know that we came to one I think we came to the conclusion that neither of us know if we're going to get married again in our life Um, depends on the day you well, and I do understand Ashley's point of like getting married and it's now like you have this legal document and You have to do this and like you have to figure it out and there's no margin for error

Um that I experienced and so I can very much Relate to that. I feel like the pressure really got on once I said I do. Yeah. Okay. That's fair I don't feel that way but um Um, I think for me it was more like circumstances. It wasn't necessarily though. I do it was the oh We're married and also having a baby and also moving out of state. That was like, oh, this is the pressure so Farah leaves and then um Barr did have a breakthrough though. He has a breakthrough. You shed a few tears. I did write down um, I had no idea that both Ashley and bars fathers are

Substance abuse like they have substance abuse issues and I really really really resonate with that because obviously my mom is the same She also has substance abuse issues. Um, and so that's like those types of things are not super Covered on teen mom And so I think that as a network MTV should cover that more and if they're going to do therapy maybe keep it consistent throughout the entire teen mom season because I knew that Caitlyn and Tyler had some substance abuse stuff in their family But nobody else has ever really opened up about that And I don't even think that people fully understand why my mom and I are estranged

Um, and so I was surprised to hear that. I didn't know that Ashley's dad is like her stepdad Yeah, I had no idea about that either and I mean obviously I would know way less than you But I do think that that's a big boat missing as well like Why are we finding out stuff? On teen mom family reunion that you've had years to cover on teen mom, but like no one knew about it. It's weird I agree. It's weird. Oh, um One last thing that I just want to say on this don't know how much more you have to say

But the Janelle footage comes up of her and Amber of them going back and forth and then I randomly was scrolling tick tock and Janelle's tick tock came up of her talking about teen mom again talking about her So I just thought that was interesting. How interesting How interesting Yeah, how interesting I I really didn't have a whole lot more to add to the recap. Um, Zach and Cheyenne went on a little date Ashley's super super super afraid of heights and they all get her through it and like cheer her on

encouraging her um, I Cringed at the disco thing the disco the tiktok situation. Yeah, I was just like I can't Um, but other than that, I mean it was just like a not a whole lot of drama I mean, obviously happy for bar to have talked about some things that maybe have been on his chest So while catalina crunch is helpful for a keto or low carb lifestyle It's great for anyone who wants a nutritious way to enjoy their favorite snacks I've been eating this in the morning because I'm back on a health kick as you all know

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That's catalina crunch.com slash coffee combos. In other teen mom news Chelsea announced that she got her own show on hgtv. Oh, she did. This is news to me. Thank you for breaking news Breaking news. Yeah, I am a news reporter. I am Thank you people announced it and then Chelsea posted on her story teen mom twos, chelsea huska and kolde boa star in new hgtv show about home renovation business Uh, we can't wait to take our fans along this next crazy journey of building our business from the ground up Chelsea and kohl are ready to let fans in on what they've been working on since leaving teen mom two in 2020 um

The parents of four who met on the hit mtv documentary series in 2014 are set to star in hgtv hgtv series farmhouse fabulous and It says that it's six episode limited series um and premiering spring of 2023 Oh, wow, and they're gonna do launching a full-time renovation and design business helping local families make over their homes while parenting their daughters and son after building our dream farmhouse in sue falls a few years ago We realized we were we have a real knack for design in home reno and it's evolved into our passion Chelsea's dad is supposed to be like um a like a main person on the show

Chelsea and kohl are spirited young entrepreneurs breaking ground in the home renovation business hgtv's svp of programming and production Says we'll showcase their optimism and youthful creativity throughout the series And we're sure their 8.6 million instagram followers will love every minute of it. Well, congratulations Chelsea and kohl. We're proud of you. Yeah, that's awesome. I texted her and said congrats. That's super exciting I definitely think that that's right up their alley. Um before we We can't completely move off of teen mom stuff. I had gotten this Message and I keep forgetting to read it to you, but I just like died So this person says this is not your fault, but I will still never forgive you anyways

I was listening to episode 200 while I was driving to walmart and through my phone in my coat pocket when I arrived I was in the aisle with adult toys trying to focus despite the couple that were just waiting for me to leave So that they could look at whatever the hell that they wanted to look at in peace I reached into my pocket to grab my list and I must have hit the phone and Fucking right because of the episode started playing loudly pharah shits and jars starts blasting for everyone and their mother I cannot get my panicking hands to turn it off fast enough I made eye contact with these people and while I was panicking now our souls are connected I wanted to call the cops on myself

I don't know how I can forgive you because I certainly will not forget this I I love the descriptive details like the adjectives used to describe. What did she say the soul? The souls are yes, and I like would say I'm sorry, but like at the same time I'm not also and yeah Wait, but did I tell you the story about how Pharah was wiping her ass with cotton balls and like selling them. First of all, nobody's buying those like you can't Convince me that someone actually I saw it on Krista Horton's

No story on instagram that her husband was pretending like he was gonna buy these ass-swiped cotton balls from pharah. No, and I was like, uh Uh, he actually didn't buy them, but he was he was lying like he was going to and I was just like Who comes up with that idea like let me let like they just go into their bathroom and see cotton balls And you're like this sounds like a good idea to wipe my asshole with it and then I'm gonna sell it I just don't I don't buy any minute of it Like I just don't think that they like I need But like you can't even buy it to see if it's legit either because it's so foul like it's it's foul

Um, hey, yeah, did you see the update on Brian laundry? I feel like people keep asking us about it All the time as if we are dog the bounty hunter like in the field Finding out all of this information Um, it says that his full autopsy was released with gruesome details Yeah, I um, I read it yesterday. I'm about to pull it up right now. So if you want to start reading it I can follow along. Okay. So it says that new details emerged in the death of Brian laundry Including that his scattered bones had been gnawed on by rodents and feral dogs after his death Um, it said that he had died from a self-inflicted gunshot wound, which we already knew that information and caused extensive fractures in his skull

Um single bullet entered his brain at the left temple and exited through the right traveling slightly upward said the full autopsy and forensic report Um, wait, so does that mean he was left-handed if it went in through the left? So actually there was a tick talk that covered that. Um, I'm glad that we get all of our news from tick talk That's the place that we are in life but it was weird because he was allegedly right-handed and And he used his left hand so I don't know. There's just like something weird like I

to pull To pull a trigger with Your hand that you are not dominant with on a gun like I I don't shoot guns. So I don't know like how Strong you would have to be to like pull a trigger with your Opposite hand unless he was like ambidextrous No, you could definitely do it, but it might you're not that it's just gonna be because there's like a recoil and it's they're powerful Like it'll throw your it'll throw like your hand wrist back like it's I would just I mean it's just it's hard to speak on because I don't want to say anything like not okay, but

What if he like missed because of yeah, you know what I mean? It just feels weird, but I said that um Authorities recovered the vast majority of his skeleton aside from a few bones from his teeth and his face scattered in plain sight um And just showed postmortem scavenging carnivore activity including on portions of his arms and his legs And it said that it was consistent with carnivores and omnivores

Including canines such as feral dogs and coyotes along with rodents and raccoons Authorities also found personal items at the scene belonging to the young man including a pair of green shorts Slip-on shoes a white metal ring a backpack and a handgun on the dirt ground The scene was secluded by overgrown vegetation. Um, can you refresh my memory? He had like the parents had the coordinates right of this location So yeah, they were the ones that went straight to where he was And then there was another tiktok that was talking about how there was like a path that was Driven on to this location or something

So, I don't know. There's like a lot of weird stuff going on and I don't want to be like a conspiracy theorist or anything like that, but There's just some stuff that doesn't add Up to me. Um, and I just wish that We knew more from the parents like I feel like they know so much information that they're Just not giving and is it because they're afraid to be charged with something and like they're just not speaking I thought they they gave the location for immunity. I think it was alleged Information and there has been no confirmation of that so to base anything off of that

I think it's just dumb. Okay. I didn't know I didn't know if it was confirmed or not and it said that basically DNA it said that DNA swabs were taken from his parents and Then they like matched that to one of his teeth and two of his femur bones So I didn't know that information either like I didn't know his parents had given swabs of DNA Isn't that wild? I want to know what's in the fucking notebook I also want to know what's in the notebook like I just need but like I would be curious to see if it even survived Because I thought he was underwater, but I'm wondering was the notebook in the The wooden box or like that bag, you know, like all those tick tocks that came up and was like that bag

That everybody thought oh well the notebook was maybe in there So it was like water protected and they have like all of this information in my mind I'm like he wrote down every step that he took put this in this notebook Had all the information on why what happened happened Um, but again, that's just me being dumb being awake at two o'clock in the morning making up rumors. So Right Not making up rumors before we move on to anything else. I just want I'm super super super late on this like I Did not have time to follow it while it was happening in real time

So just wanted to touch really quickly on the Jamie Lynn Spear stuff Um, I got through episode one of the call her daddy. Um interview. Yes Um and Jamie Lynn talks about her experience growing up and her dad was an alcoholic which Another substance abuse situation. I had no idea about and she felt like her dad wasn't really around But she doesn't understand like why her mom would like kind of Adjust things to that like she just wanted to him to love her so bad Um, and like when it came to things about Jamie Lynn Spear's career Lynn would get seek out like Jamie's approval the dad Jamie

Um, she said that someone should have stood up stood up for Brittany But it couldn't be her because she was so young and nobody really advocated for Brittany She said she loved when Brittany was in a relationship with Justin Timberlake and really looked up to them And she thought it was so cool. But then it started to get weird to me. Um, she talks about you know her mom snapping and like hitting her with a purse and Um, you know, she's still processing a lot of her childhood, which I think is very true Like as an adult, she's probably trying to figure out who she is. Um as Jamie Lynn Spears versus like Brittany Spears little sister. Um, and that she's still in pain, too

Um, but then it then it was like, okay crocodile tears very much making about her Um, so that she couldn't you know, she was responsible for Brittany Um, like any problems were because of like it was I didn't really understand it and she kept just saying every every question That alex cooper asked her in some shape form or fashion. She said, I don't understand So like she would answer the question but be like, I don't understand it. Does that make sense? I did want to it was I didn't want to say though. Um, I think just as human beings Because we are all human that she probably has a lot of healing to do and it would be hard to

follow in the footsteps of someone so wildly successful and then have these issues with the parents and then feeling like probably I have to to live up to that expectation and like she's not Brittany. Um, So I think that those are all very valid Struggles and again, I will say yeah, I think that as adults you are a product of your upbringing um, and that affects every part of your life, but when it comes to this and Brittany's mental health and How this is all played out. I think that it just looks very distasteful

That she's now using this to monetize off of benefit. Yeah off of Brittany's Downfall, I don't love it. She says in the interview that she wasn't yeah She says that she her and Brittany were 10 years apart and she wasn't really allowed to be herself because she couldn't do anything That could potentially show Brittany in a bad light Um, I don't know how like maybe that is her take on it But growing up a Brittany fan

Um Nobody cared about Jamie Lynn Spears. Like I didn't care that she had a sister I didn't even know she had a sister until like Brittany was probably in her 20s or 30s. Like I didn't even know she had a sister So I don't really know and social media wasn't a big thing. Well, does that make sense? Yes, but then doing and this is like completely not related, but it's correlated in some way Um, like the whole Duggar stuff that we're covering. That's a huge family and But that makes sense because social that like that all social media played into all of that

Where I feel like when this was occurring with Brittany, there was no social media at all or not with Brittany with Jamie Lynn Spears Well, yeah, there wasn't social media, but then you know Tabloids were the way that we found out everything. So you have like these ragmags, right? And so I think we're downplaying that aspect, but also I think she's valid in That feeling because you don't know what was being preached at home by her parents to her Or like you have to be careful about what you do because Brittany has this like she's this rising star And anything that you do could like mess up her career. We don't know

What was being said and that would be a that would be a heavy burden To carry one. It's already like, okay Am I ever gonna reach the success of my older sister? Like there's already that and then What pressures are the parents putting on her as well? This is true. I I will um potentially listen to part two Can't promise I'll have time. I still don't have cable and internet. So yeah, where are you watching? You know, I mean, where are you doing all of your research and like sleuthing? Um, I am when I'm at the office, I have wi-fi and um, just doing a lot of stuff online. Um I think I'm gonna set up some blow up a blow up mattress in my living room. Love it. Um, actually really quick, too

I'm gonna update you on I'm getting a huge furniture delivery on Friday. Um, and the people who built my furniture from hill build it in north carolina and Um, kyle texted me. He's the owner. He texted me last night and was like, um, does lindsay live by you? And I was like, no, she lives in, um, atlanta because when they come they're gonna come deliver the furniture Um, last time we had gone out to eat and stuff. So if you would have been here, we could all they're so fun They're just such a cute couple and they have their little instagram business and I just love it Not instagram business of real business, but they I met them through instagram is what I meant. Um, and And they asked about you, but I told them maybe one maybe one of these days if we do a trip in north carolina, we can go

We'll just have to reroute ourselves. You know, yeah, no, they're just super cute and fun and um, I just they were so cute They're like, just lindsay live there and I was like, no Well, kyle if you're listening, you're really not missing out. I'm not the funnest person right now. Um, so I can promise y'all's dinner will probably be better without me. Um, Um, a couple of recaps before we get into the duggar stuff Kale, I am so far down rabbit holes on kim kardashian and kanya west that it's just like Probably not healthy for my personal mental health at this point. Um, I'm highly concerned for kim in the way that Kanye's erratic like manic behavior is very

Very Similar to someone else that I know only obviously kanya is way more famous and like it's way more publicized and it's highly concerning because it's like obsessive manic erratic Unpredictable want my wife back, but also gonna throw julia fox and chainie jones In everyone's faces, but also want my wife back But also like it's just very it's highly concerning and I do worry genuinely about kim safety Like that's it's scary. So just to catch you guys up to date just this week

Kanye went to the super bowl with his face covered sent kim a truck full of flowers roasted pete aka Skeet skeet broke up with his girlfriend julia. They broke up allegedly told skeet He will never meet his children cut off kid cutting and at this point that all this information was released it wasn't even tuesday, so um, again, this is probably not the best thing for me to be invested in for my personal mental health, but Insider did an article kanya west delivers a truck full of roses to kim kardashian on valentine's day after breaking up with julia fox

um That news was released on monday of the breakup. So delivers these valentine's day flowers hours after the news was confirmed of his breakup um, and the roses Say like on the side of the truck it says my vision is crystal clear with kays

I don't really have words. That's not Men want to try to fix it and save the day when a woman is already moved on and No longer interested like where was this energy when they were having issues prior to talking about divorce and You know remember After that it was announced that they were going to divorce kim still supported kanya in his album release and they wore that all black head to toe look for That look was for them that gala. Okay. So the look was for the met gala, but they were

I thought they were allegedly trying to reconcile and now are they not trying like how like what that maybe was a publicity stunt Maybe one of them wasn't actually him like who the hell knows but um, and julia fox just did an interview on call her daddy as well and said that she felt like she was kanya's muse and You know like they that's her boyfriend and Uh, you know pete's calling kim his girlfriend on interviews and things like that. I just I don't well a representative for fox told people that julia and kanya remain good friends and collaborators, but they're no longer together and then I also saw that interview um that she did and The vibe was totally different than what she's currently saying. She said she had love for him, but wasn't in love with him

so Yeah, and then kim had responded Um via instagram story just saying that she was trying her best as a single mom To her four kids, uh, however the instagram posts have been deleted. So yeah, what a wild ride so I need to know do we actually think that the instagram that is allegedly Kanye west instagram like is it actually him or is it someone else because I think it's him. I I I do too and

The girl chaney jones that everyone keeps posting that kind of resembles kim card out. She's from delaware Yeah, like she went to high school with bone. Oh, she did. Mm-hmm. And she I think she she just graduated I think from ud university of delaware with like an education degree or something. Oh, wow. Yeah, so I mean she's from here Um, we need insider details like I'm I know I mess it for you to come on the podcast. Oh my gosh kale Um, I'm like you didn't even get this approved. Um Okay, I did love um the today show posted on instagram a quote from kim And the quote was in the last two years. I decided I'm gonna make myself happy and that feels really good And even if that created changes and caused my divorce

I think it's important to be honest with yourself about what really makes you happy I've chosen myself and I think it's okay to choose you and I couldn't agree more I wholeheartedly agree with that and that doesn't mean that you don't love somebody when you choose yourself sometimes you can love somebody So fucking hard and it may not be reciprocated or it might be right person wrong time or it might be You know, whatever your circumstances are you can still love and be in love with someone but choose yourself Like that's very real and that's very relatable and I feel like we've all I mean I have gone through You know, the hardest thing that you will ever do is walk away from someone you are still in love with And at the end of it all you you have yourself and you fall in love with yourself

Like that is so true. It is so true And you know what if she's having fun with p or ski or whatever we're gonna call him Um If she's having fun and that's what makes her soul sing I think that no one should care like I care, but like I legitimately shouldn't care I definitely didn't think it was real at first. Like I thought it was like a publicity stunt I will not lie agreed like I like I I just couldn't picture kim Kardashian with p davidson and um, I think there's like a

10-year age difference Well, but I also couldn't picture Megan Fox with machine gun kelly and I also couldn't picture Courtney Kardashian with travis barker, but like here we are And welcome to the fucking year and this is just like something we expect at this point Like these are the couples and this is what happens. Yeah Do you identify as a hot girl with stomach issues? I'm sure based on our episode last week when we ended with shit stories that we can all identify with that

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Okay guys, so switching topics and completely moving on from that We are going to get into the dugger drama scandal But I'm really excited about this because Kristen is actually going to join me on this part of coffee combos and We text about this all the time So I think that this is going to be really good because her level of investment is very high Hello Kristen that sounds like you should be on a porn podcast like Why did you say that?

You know, I got to spice it up. I got to add a little spice for the listeners never do that again I don't know why it came out like that, but it did scare me as well, so Oh Oh my god, okay, so I just want to give everyone a heads up We obviously see everything that goes on in our fan group and everything like that So we definitely want to be cognizant of people's triggers that are out there So we do want to do a trigger warning for the following segment This segment does contain mentions of child abuse as well as sexual assault

So you are going to want to skip ahead. We don't have a minute marker, unfortunately But I can post that on the stories tomorrow. Awesome. And before we get any further into this timeline And I do want to say you guys that we are still on fucking 2015 so Let's just say that I was sent the following message regarding the statute of limitations Statute of limitations on molesting and rape is on a state-by-state basis

And some have no statute of limitations you can look at stories like bill cosby harvey winestein and glane Maxwell and I think kale had actually Mentioned bill cosby in the previous episode. So here we are very interesting. So you would think that it'd be the same so Yeah, I have a real problem with With this entire thing statute of limitations period

um on this type of crime, but Let's get into the interviews That we watched you guys we're going to post the link to these interviews on the coffee convos podcast instagram page And with that being said anytime we're using resources or referencing Um interviews articles, whatever you're going to be able to find Those links on the coffee convos podcast Instagram page story on the day that the episode releases So just make sure that you guys are following if you are wanting to follow along because I have gotten messages in my personal DM

Asking for links and I've seen them come through occasionally on coffee combos Page as well. Yeah, so Okay, so do we want to start with jim bob and michelle? Yes, we want to start with jim bob and michelle. We absolutely do so that interview was So concerning and like I definitely want everyone to actually watch the interview not just listen to it Because the body language is even odd with michelle and jim bob. So I actually took notes

Going through this interview like I watched it twice Like I watched it the first time so that I could be like totally pissed off And then by the time I got finished watching it I was like, okay, I need to go back and unfortunately rewatch that and take the The nuggets out of it and the body language was something I definitely picked up on and just the delusion of These parents is just very alarming to me

The interview that we watched was on fox news and the kelly file And I had no idea until I really started deep diving into the duggers That they were so highly followed It stated in this interview that This story had generated hundreds of thousands of headlines and another interesting thing was Um the 2014 wedding of jill dugger drew over 4.4 million viewers which For reality tv. I feel like that is

Really really high. Oh, yeah. I mean when you look at ratings today for different shows, they're Significantly less like we're talking you're probably you know looking at maybe a couple hundred thousand not Millions at this point when you're looking at like a reality show for sure. So that was That shocked me also because I was like wow You know not just how many people are watching it But how many people are being influenced by the crazy shit these people are like putting out there for sure. So They start this interview and are talking about how in 2002 It was like the darkest times of their life and that josh had come to them on his own said that he touched some of their daughters. Um,

and it was Said that he was just curious about girls um and that the girls did not even know that he had done it and To me it was just I put inside 16 font In bold letters down play down play down play because this entire interview these parents down play um the actions of josh and

It is to the point of like it's nauseating. Oh, yeah, I mean the entire time Um, it was you know, it kept being described as like Oh, you know, this was just over the top of the clothing touching and then all of a sudden it changed like well And you know and it occasionally underneath the clothing. Um, it's like no it was just inappropriate touching Just say the word like your son molested your daughters I understand we're probably like do we think it was denial? Or do we think it was just a cover-up or do we think it was a mix of both? Like i'm not a parent So if that situation happened to you looking at that as a parent, are you in denial?

Are you trying to cover it or is it both? I think in their situation And it's a partial cover-up because at this point that they're doing the interview Um, they hadn't lost the show yet. I don't think so. I mean, isn't that right? Yeah, they had not officially lost. Yeah, so I think that you're looking at a partial cover-up because there's a lot of money surrounding them now and a lot of TV success at this point Um, so you've got that aspect of it, but then also I think as a parent um Parents sometimes tend to downplay the actions of their children because they don't want to actually face the reality

And that's not just on this type of thing. It could be anything like Susie took the ball from tom and You know tom's mom thinks that susie is a bully and susie's mom is like No, she just like wanted the ball. It's you know, I think that um Um, parents tend to Want to see the best in their children and so they overlook Certain bad behaviors. Okay. I mean, yeah Um, but in this case

Not only was it their son, but like this involved their daughters. So at that point Not that it would make it any Better if it was someone else and not their own children But it's like you have all of these girls that are now a victim of your son I don't see how you can continue to Downplay the situation and then the the issues continued to go on and then to sit and act like, you know He was this recovered

Corrected person like that bothers him to me. Yeah, I mean so just like looking at it just You know, he jim bob himself like during the interview I you know kind of edged for me like on A little bit of the argumentative side a little like a little bit where You would think that someone would be super apologetic On behalf of their child and I felt like he was very defensive and it was kind of coming across in a little bit of an aggressive manner At times when you know, certain interview questions were asked Um, and it kept being said like, oh, well, you know, they didn't even know what happened

They the girls didn't even know we had to tell them and on one hand like I can't imagine what that's like having to go to You know, my my child or multiple children and say like, you know, this happened Um, but then I couldn't help but keep going back to what we knew that was in the police report Yep, and it definitely said that this occurred while some were sleeping but also while some were awake So it's kind of like they were only putting out there the information that You know, not none of this made josh look good, but what didn't make him look worse So in their heads, it was like they were trying to justify. Oh, well, they weren't awake So like they weren't affected by it and it's like nope. They were still definitely molested see to me. This sounds like um

A pr conversation took place prior to this interview and it's like, okay Well, you can't just deny all of these allegations So we're gonna clean it up a little and you're just going to acknowledge these parts of it and we're gonna keep like the real bad stuff We're just not going to address that at all and back to the point of being a parent You want to see what's like the best in your children? But also you wanting to see the best in your children that's at the expense of your other children. That's a problem Yeah, I mean at this point It's kind of like you need to protect the ones who were hurt correct over the one who did the hurting and not saying you

Should necessarily like turn your back on that child but Like this causes life long consequences like his actions whether anybody wants to admit it or not He molested them and that lasts a lifetime for sure and then they talked about how they spoke to the girls one by one and ultimately They discovered as parents that the girls had learned about this inappropriate touching from the parents

Um, they said that they poured their life at that point into josh I think jim bob said that he he took him to work with him They set up safeguards. Um, and the word safeguard kept coming into play, but not until the Jill and jessa Interview did we actually find out what these safeguards were? They just kept referencing them and I feel like that was a complete boat miss on that interview like tell us what the safeguards were Yeah, and they like that's great that they're safeguards after the fact But we already know again from the police report this continued to happen

So really like did your safeguards help? Did they not and it was still too late? so That I thought that was like very interesting that they kept being brought up that way and just like you know I know that there was one part where You know jim bob was saying that josh is not a pedophile and literally stated the definition of a pedophile and brought up age Yes, so that was very concerning to me because it was that whole conversation in this interview came up when

Kelly had basically called out michelle for making a statement that transgender were Child molesters like she compared them to child molesters and then jim bob got very defensive in this and said well, I don't think she called him child molesters I think she called, you know, they could you know potentially be pedophiles for going into bathrooms with you know young girls or young boys or you know, whatever

um, and that the definition of a pedophile is An adult that prays on children and that josh wasn't considered a pedophile because he was a child who was 5 years old praying on a child. I just have such an issue with that and it's like okay cool we don't want to put a label on it, but There's still a huge problem there because one of the daughters was 5 years old right. So He may as well have been a damn adult at that point you are praying on Innocent children. I don't you are clearly not innocent if this is the stuff that you're doing um

I have such a huge issue. I don't like that. Jim Bob kept, it seems like he knew loopholes of the law and he was very versed on how to spin something to make it not look as bad as what it is. Like. He was playing the role of politician like he had done previously.

Yes. Very well. To a tee. To a tee. And I hate that. Like stop downplaying the fact that your son did what he did and stop using a textbook definition of a pedophile to say you have to be 18 years old

to be dubbed as a pedophile. When I also just feel like what lesson are you actually teaching your kids? Right. At this point, like all of them, the rest of the boys, you're teaching them what? They're going to, you know, not be held to the letter of the law if they do things like this

and that, oh, well, it wasn't that bad because, you know, your sisters were asleep. Like, because you cannot make me believe that everyone in that household did not know what was going on. For sure. And then it was even more concerning to me that they mentioned that they had heard from other parents

that this was going on in their home. So like there obviously was conversation going on within their friend community or like the people that they surround themselves with. This was on, like obviously a conversation. And, you know, they again kept downplaying this is not rape, it's touching over the clothes, sometimes under the clothes, but just for a few seconds.

It's like, I don't care if it's a millisecond. Like it was a millisecond too long and too inappropriate. Right. And like this is why there is a, like this is why, you know, molestation is a crime and it's a definition. Like this is a problem. It's a form of sexual assault and abuse.

And no matter how much you're downplaying it, that is still what's happening. So it's, I just was so mind blown by the amount of excuses that came out of their mouths during this interview. And it's, I just like don't know how those girls, I don't, there's no way they got the support that they needed from finding out this info. And I just feel like, okay, down the road,

did this then turn around and set them up for other people to do this to them? Correct. And then before we get to like Jill and Jessa, they said that they wanted to, when they knew that they needed to get Josh help, that they wanted to reach for his heart first. And that, you know, the reason they didn't go to the police

was because parents are not mandatory reporters and the law allows for parents to do what is best for the child. And the jurisdiction that needed to be thought about last was getting right with the law. Like he needed to get right in his heart. He needed to get right with the victims. And then, you know, at that point,

they weren't even considering going to the police. That to me is just so concerning. Again, politician, Jim Bob talking about how, you know, as parents, they're not mandatory reporters. And who would know that? Unless you looked it up, you know, like that's just odd to me. And I don't know about you, but if I ever,

like if my mom and dad ever heard another parent say that, I would never be allowed to be friends with, you know, those children from those parents because as, okay, maybe you're not legally a mandatory reporter, but you're a parent. You're supposed to want what's best for any child, not just your own. Correct.

Like that to me is so concerning. Then, you know, they go to the local police station to come clean to the law and felt like that at this point, it was an important step for Josh to confess to breaking the law because they didn't want this looming over his head for the rest of his life. So the officer that they turned him sell, or they turned him into or he turned himself into,

Jim Bob claims that he didn't know him in advance, but it's very odd that this is the same officer who is now in jail for or prison for the, for similar things, 56 years, I think. Oh yeah. Yep. I just, clearly this had to be going on in that community. And I know we've gotten, you know,

several messages that will be covered, but like this, if you didn't know this was going on in that community, I feel like this between the, we brought friends in on this part of the interview, and just other things. And like the police chief that he was, Josh was brought to didn't think that this was something that he needed to actually move forward with to report.

And now he's in jail for child pornography charges. Like there's just something clearly very wrong going on within this whole entire community. For sure. That to me is just all so odd. And then they were asked in the interview, given this dark past, you still choose to launch the TV show anyway.

And Jim Bob says, you know, they have nothing to hide, had a clean bill of health for five years, and the sealed juvenile record. And I'm like, okay, first of all, we're talking about a clean bill of health for five years. That's concerning, because why are we talking about it in that way? And then to say that the juvenile record sealed,

so like nobody's going to find out about it. So we're going to be safe to play these people on TV. We're going to be judge, you know, Judy's out here to the world, and we're going to judge all of these people, but keep all of our secrets in the past, because our son's juvenile record should be sealed, and no one else should know about it.

Rule number one, nothing, like everything will come to light ever. Like especially if you're putting yourself in the public eye, somebody somewhere knows something and will find a way to bring it out. So like that's just common sense in my opinion. I don't know if they thought they had enough friends that could keep it buried,

and that's really what they thought, but or they can just know as many people as possible to think that they're this perfect Christian family. It just like, if I knew I had skeletons that deep in my closet, I would never be putting myself on a public platform. For sure. Well, and then once this did become public knowledge,

they said, you know, they hated the fact that it was public knowledge, but they knew that it could be a learning lesson and that it could show people that God could forgive Josh for these terrible things, and they hoped that it would show people that God can forgive them too. But where I agree with that statement wholeheartedly,

I feel like if you're gonna go on TV and you're gonna paint yourself as one way, but like none of this stuff is gonna come to light, but then when it does come to light, then you have a statement like this. It's like maybe we should have been a little bit more forward thinking, and if you wanted people to,

if this is what you're trying to preach, then maybe you should have shared it before it was leaked. Well, and I just feel like if they were actually sorry and had actually learned anything from this lesson and wanted to like, you know, help people, they would have not, I don't wanna say use this as content

because that's incredibly, like that's not what I mean. It's very insensitive, but like talked about it, been open about it, like. And maybe not specifically what their family had gone through, but to show that, you know, things do go on in families,

not like we're just these perfect Christians and you know, we're gonna judge you, we're gonna say that transgender are compared to pedophiles if they're going into, you know, opposite sex bathrooms, or you know, whatever you wanna say, like the, that's how ignorant, the level of ignorance is here.

And then, yes, following that up with saying that, you know, they had not decided that they weren't going to sue this city for the disclosure and protecting the juvenile records, and the mistakes that the young make should be sealed. And where I think that it's important for youth to be able to make mistakes and not have to carry that with them forever,

I think that's okay when you're talking about situations of like Johnny got in a fight at middle school and slung mashed potatoes on somebody, and we're just gonna like not tell anybody about them in the college application. But like when you're talking about where there's like actual human victims that are going to be affected for the rest of their life

because of something that you've done to them, I don't necessarily think that that should be sealed. I agree, I definitely think like maybe it's a situation of, okay, this cannot be held against you in terms of finding employment or college applications, things like that, but I do think there's a reason that public record should be maintained as public record.

I don't, you know, because at the end of the day, if somebody were to go on and continue offending, which those numbers are alarming that they were talking about at the end of the interview. Yeah, there's past precedent there. Well, and that's why there is what like the sex offender list or whatever. Registry, again, things that people do in their past

are not saying that like everything will always be repeated behavior. But as Kale and I have talked about this before, there are a lot of statistics that show that what was the statistic, Kristen? I think it's like a third, a third and third. So it's like a third will be rehabilitated. A third will go on to offend again.

Yep. And I'll have to find the actual statistic and post it, but I was so bothered by that because that's not, like it's not talked about. That's not talked about enough, in my opinion. It's, they were so concerned. They were more concerned with the fact that this came out and that the report was released than they were about the safety of their own daughters

and what this did to them. The only thing that I will say that I tend to agree only because I've had things written about me. So I know what that feels like with tabloids. But when Jim Bob was saying that no victim wants their story to be told and every victim should have the right

to tell their own story, I couldn't agree with that statement more. However, I don't know that these girls would have ever been able to tell their story with the way that had these parents covered it up. Yeah. I mean, just seeing it from, you know, obviously being friends with Kale for so long at this point and then meeting you and seeing the stuff

that comes out about you, definitely had me looking at it in a different way and realizing like what bullshit about 99.7% of these articles are. I think that there needs, definitely needs to be limitations when tabloids and just media in general are covering topics like this or situations like this. Like there should be parameters that, you know,

you can talk about it within this parameter that you can't make up like clickbait. You can't make up just crap. You want to report the facts? Okay. Because at this point, these girls are now not just victims of Josh Duggar. They are now victims of, in touch, all these other articles that, you know, have ran

that were salacious. They are now victimized by tabloid reporting. Yeah. So now they're being victimized twice. And truthfully, nothing pisses me, a lot pisses me off, but like the ignorance of Michelle Duggar talking about the transgender community. What was, what exactly was the statement that she made about them going into bathrooms or it was ignorant.

She was saying, yeah, it was along the lines of, and I can find that and post the actual statement as well. She was talking about like traditional family values and that's kind of the platform they were always running on. And she said that transgender people should not be allowed in bathrooms because they could go and like sexually assault little girls, which to me is so tone deaf because you're just assuming

that transgender people are going to do that. But also what about little boys? They can also be sexually assaulted. So, but then further, my whole point of the running on traditional family values, it's not that last I checked, it's not traditional for your son to be molesting multiple of your daughters. Yeah. And last I checked, it also wasn't traditional

for you to cover it up and then have alarming body language on a TV interview continuing to cover it up. So, she just kept looking at Jim Bob and it was pissing me off every time. Like if she didn't want to answer something, she would look at him or while she was answering, he would be like staring her down and I'm just like, oh, like what is the dynamic there?

Sweetheart, that was all PR. That was all PR training that they had prior to that, that those were social cues, they were trained on that. If she didn't know how to answer something, she looked at him for guidance. Like it was very clear to me what was going on. Another thing that they did say that I can, I don't want to give these people credit really for anything,

but that I can say that I do also believe. Christians struggle every day because there is a stigma that Christians are these perfect people and they're not going to go out here and they're not going to make mistakes and if you make a mistake, then you're not a Christian. And I've dealt with this personally myself. There'll be things that I say either on this podcast

or something I'll say on the Southern T or whatever. And it's like, oh, well, I thought you were a Christian and you said this. It's like, well, I'm Christian, but I kind of like to cuss and I'm Christian and I'm also human, but I do think that there is like less margin for error for any type of mistake or for you to have poor judgment as a Christian if you're in the public eye

because people will automatically dub you as not Christian or a bad Christian. Like I am guilty for judging these people for their bullshit, but I'm still probably gonna judge them because I'm an imperfect person. And this is something that I feel like they should be judged for because I don't believe in their behavior.

Yeah, I would agree with that. I think that, you know, that's definitely assumed. Like if you hear that someone is religious by any means, it's like, oh, well, then they should act basically holier than thou. Well, and Kail and I were saying that it's because of people like Michelle Duggar that give Christians bad names.

And I know that that sounds horrible, but Christians like that give fellow Christians a bad name. It's the hypocrisy for me. I think that's literally what does it is like I'm gonna preach to you that this is what we're all supposed to be doing and I'm gonna act like that's what I do, but then you're gonna see some shit in five years

that disproves everything I just said. Correct. So it's really just like the hypocrisy. I think if more people went about it, like no, like we're just here knowing that we're all imperfect and just trying to do better, I think it would be completely different.

Yeah, cause I mean, that's what I try to do. Like I'm not out here, pray like prancing around and acting like I'm this perfect person. Like I try to do things as good as I can and I try to execute every part of my life in the best way that I know how trying to keep God at the center of everything, but that doesn't mean I'm gonna make perfect decisions

all the time and that doesn't mean that I'm not gonna mess up. So I just wanted to touch on that part of the interview. And then there was an alarming stat. One in five girls and one in 20 boys are victim to child sexual abuse in this country. That actually made me want to vomit. It's like, I don't have kids, but that's terrifying to me.

Like to think about having kids, that's horrifying. Terrifying. So then I watched the Jessa and Jill interview. Jessa was nine or 10 years old when she was touched. Jill, I think she was like 12 years old. And I will say the girls very much stuck to the same narrative as the parents. Do you feel that way?

Yeah, I mean, it was clear that part. When I watched that second, it was clearly coached. It was clearly done in support of their parents. It didn't matter their feelings on what had actually happened to them. This was not like a victim impact statement by any means. Right. This was a campaign of one, let's save our show,

in my opinion, because, oh, well, it wasn't that bad. Oh, well, people should stop saying this about my brother because it wasn't even like that. And just like the uncomfortable, and I recognized it because I do it as like a, it's like a coping mechanism. It's the uncomfortable laughing. We're like, it's inappropriate times.

No one should have been laughing in that interview, let alone laughing at your own trauma. But I feel like we all actually do that when it's uncomfortable and we're talking about it. With them having to do this interview, I felt it was trauma in itself, whether this was a choice that they made to do on their own, or whether they were asked to do it, you know,

by their parents, by PR, whether that be network PR at TLC, or personal PR that they hired, probably like crisis PR. This to me seemed very coached, and I'm very sad for both of them because of that, because they should be allowed to have their own voice in the way that they want to have their own voice. And I almost feel that I don't wanna say who groomed them,

but I almost feel like there's like some grooming going on here that they had been told enough times that I think sometimes people, when they're told something enough, they'll believe it. So I almost feel that these girls weren't being fake when they were doing this interview. I almost feel like they were groomed to believe what they were actually saying.

And I would agree with that, and there was two things that I had written down that stood out to me were like very disturbing. The first part was, you literally have Jessa sitting there, newly pregnant, talking about being touched by her brother, and just downplaying the shit out of it. And I'm like, what if this like,

what are you going to teach your child that that's okay? That, oh, you know, it was just like inappropriate touching. Like we can't even identify a good touch versus a bad touch and what that bad touch actually means. So that really, really bothered me, but Jill breaking and saying that when she found out this was coming out and she had to call her husband, I was like, oh my God, did that man not even know

this happened to her? I think that that, I don't want to speak generally, but that doesn't shock me. Like I don't know that that would be something, like how do you really share that information? Yeah, I mean, I'm sure it's difficult. I, it's one of those things, it's like, okay, so it comes out in this manner.

It's obviously, you know, let's assume he had no idea. Then what do you say? I mean, yeah, like, oh yeah, this brother that you've taken in as a brother-in-law did this to me when I was X amount of years old. I'm sure that is kind of traumatizing to him. Like this happened to my wife. I'm sure that changes the way he looks at the situation,

the family, Josh, his in-laws as a whole, like- And I'm sure that- I can't imagine being him. I'm sure that that could be a reason why maybe she didn't tell him. Like obviously your spouse should be your safe place, but at the same time, these people are on a wildly successful TV show, kind of goes back to the statements

that I was saying about Jamie Lynn Spears earlier. We don't know what conversations that were had prior to her getting married to this man or bringing him around for her to keep her mouth shut about the, I'm gonna use air quotes, inappropriate touching, because, you know, it could have been spun to her, like it's not important for you to tell him because we would hate for that to get out

or for, you know, anyone to know about it. Like no one knows what those conversations looked like behind the scenes that would maybe make her not tell her husband, but I couldn't imagine him finding out through tabloids. The whole situation is just so sad. And just seeing the girls have to give this interview. And I also thought that it was interesting.

Like they also brought up looking into, you know, the legalities of how this came out and potentially taking legal action. Well, and I don't think that that looks at, like they are the victims. So I feel because they are victims of Josh Duggar, they are victims of really the police department or however these records got released in whatever way,

they're victims of those people, they're victims of the tabloids. So I feel that they should be able to go after whoever they choose to go after because this isn't, you know, they didn't choose for these things to happen to them and then they didn't choose for this police report where they thought that they were going to safely, like this was safely reported.

And then the girls feel completely betrayed because now all of this is out there. And then having to feel re-victimized by this is just horrible. What was interesting to me when they said that was one, I'm like, okay, so are you doing this for yourself? Are you doing it because your parents want you to? As far as wanting to take legal action,

because I fully support it if it's their decision. I don't support it if it's the parents wanting to do it again to force them to try and cover up. What Josh did, however, the parents were so upset, they're the ones who identified their daughters and the babysitter as the victim. The police report did not. Well, an in-touch weekly actually were so tacky

that they stated names of the victims in their reporting. Yes, yes. So I guess we all who are listening to this need to ask ourselves, why was it okay for in-touch to release girls' names that Josh touched? I think like that goes back to what I said. I think that there needs to be some sort of parameters. I get freedom of speech 1,000%,

but I feel like on certain crimes, like crimes involving minors will say, they like, minors are not capable of having stuff like this come out, especially if they're in the public eye. Like a processing this, that's not fair. It's not a fair burden to put on them. It's not a fair burden to put on anyone, but there needs, I think there really needs

to be some type of guidelines that these outlets have to follow because it's like false reporting ruins people's lives. Ruins people's lives. I have been a victim of certain false reporting. So way more small scale than this, but it literally ruins people's lives. What did you think about the safeguards?

Because they were discussed in this interview and one of them was not being alone with the boys, couldn't play hide and seek, no locks on the doors, girls and boys to be separated, and no sitting on boy's laps except for their dad. I think, I don't think that it's ultimately, like I don't think any of them, any of those are helpful. I don't think any of those are sitting down

and like safeguards should have been, let's have a conversation about what good touch and bad touches. Let's have a safe, let's have a conversation of, like mom and dad will take care of this appropriately if this happens again, or if this happens to anyone. Hide and seek, not being able to play with boys. What the hell is that helping?

Well, because then I almost feel like it's creating unhealthy relationships and boundaries with the opposite sex because of what Josh did. Like you're placing a burden on these girls to have this negative outlook ultimately against boys because of Josh's actions. Like to me, that's unhealthy and unsafe. I agree.

And I know, I don't remember if it was Joe or Jessa that was like, they all made sense and we're gonna carry them with us being parents. And I'm like, wow, like those, they're not even helpful. And it is a problem, like why not teach the boys don't touch your sisters? Correct. Or women in general, not just your sisters,

women in general. Why is it the burden is put on the girls? And then it's like, okay, I see this creating huge trust issues down the road and then you're doing it to your own kids. So what are you setting them up for for their futures? Without even knowing it. 100%.

So that's it on the interviews. Again, we're gonna post the link so that you guys can watch them in your time. But I did receive a message from another listener that said, this statute of limitations is total bullshit. I was 14 when I was groomed and started air quote, dating a 22 year old and was 15 when I got pregnant by him

and 16 when my daughter was born, making him 24 years old. I didn't escape from him until I was 18. I was a complete disaster. My daughter and I ended up at my parents front door with nothing but $20 and a half a box of diapers. I was ashamed of myself and thought that everything happened was my fault

and was completely brainwashed the entire time. I realized I was an actual victim. It was too late to press charges on him even though you couldn't look at my daughter's birth certificate and do the math. It doesn't matter anymore because the statute of limitations, he's completely free with no consequences.

What the fuck is wrong with people? I don't know. I just, well, and it makes me honestly wonder like how many women and men that behaviors like this have happened to and we didn't even realize it. Correct, correct. So that's horrifying.

So again, we're still in July of 2015. I don't feel like we're ever getting out of 2015. Me either. I feel like it's like a reoccurring thing going on. So July 16th, 2015, TLC permanently cancels 19 kids and counting. We're gonna end there on the Duggar stuff for this week, but we did have a foul play

and I'm gonna let Kristen read the foul play and I don't know what it is, so. This is, it's a good one. It's a good key. Get ready. So it's kind of long, but going to try and shorten it. This story is about my fiance. We went out to a drag show in our town.

We got to the bar around eight or 6 p.m. and didn't leave until 3 a.m. In that timeframe, my fiance had only consumed two buckets of beer, which was about 10 beers. So he was not drunk at all. That's sarcastic or like real. I believe that this is real because let's think, 6 p.m. to 3 a.m., that's like eight hours.

Yeah, but like I still feel like I don't consume 10 beers in like one year. Yeah, but it's like guys, you know what I mean? Yeah, like, okay. We're, it's different. So I'm thinking not, but. So he was not drunk at all. I remember him stumbling up to me out of nowhere

before we left saying that I needed to drive because he didn't feel good. He could barely walk. We get back to the house, which was three minutes from the bar and he throws up before even making it into the house. This is not going well. We get in the bathroom.

Oh, it's a we thing. And I jump in the shower and he sits down on the toilet. Mind you, I'm pretty drunk. I try getting him into the shower, but he's just sitting there drooling. Blake, why is he drooling? I don't know. I don't know.

He wasn't well, obviously. Clearly, I've gathered so far. I was over trying to get him in the shower. So I went to lay down in bed and fell asleep for I don't know how long. I woke up when he finally got in bed. And when I tell you I smelled the worst smell I have ever smelled in my life.

I asked him, did you throw up? Why do you smell like puke? I got out of bed and turned the light on. Nope, not puke. Shit, literal shit everywhere. This man shit himself and there was a poop trail from the bathroom to our bedroom. There was poop everywhere.

The bathroom, our floor, our bed and even on my purse. Everywhere. But the toilet, none in the toilet, evidently. I lost it. I made him get in the shower while I stripped the bed. When I walked in the bathroom, there was the biggest pile of shit on my bathroom rug. And I yelled, did you really poop on the rug?

All you see is him poke his head out of the shower wide eyed. He picks up the rug and puts it in the shower with him. Fast forward to the next day. I wake him up to help me clean up his shit. And he says, what happened? Did Remy our dog poop in the house? I said, no, you did. He could not remember anything,

not even leaving the bar and he felt so bad. Okay, well, first officer, you should feel very bad. He had actual like beer shits. I need clarification if this was diarrhea shits or if these were like pebble turds or if they were like Lincoln logs. Like what, not that it really matters because it's all disgusting,

but I just feel like I need more info. The fact that he shit himself while walking is still not in the bed. And like she had to turn over and try to decide if it was puke or shit, lots of stuff here. If this was my husband, I would have divorced him. If he was my fiance, I would have called off engagement. Effective immediately.

Like you are getting served your eviction notice or divorce papers or both now. Like sir, I'm upset. Like I'm upset for you. I don't know what your name is, but I want you to write in and tell us like how your life is currently going. And if you're still with this person.

Did you get married? Yeah, we need to know like were you nuts enough to marry this person after he literal shit everywhere? Well, I'm just like, what did you do with your purse? Like, did you throw it out? Did you have it dry cleaned? Like I also want to know that because purses are not cheap.

So I'd be pissed. Somebody do that shit to me. And I would be like, literally never talk to me again. Like don't clean it up, but literally never talk to me again. You are canceled out of my life. Effective right now. I would not be helping clean up someone else,

a grown person's shit. That would never happen. That would not happen. I don't care if you're sick or well or in the... Like how was it cleaned up? Because I need to know. Like, I hope she had a good shampoo. I do not know, but I am not cleaning up

anybody's shit trails. Corey Patrick, you heard me. I love it so much. I'm like, I thought my drunk stories were bad. I went on my first college spring break to Miami and me and my best college girlfriend were taken, you know, like one of those little afternoon cat naps so that you could get up and drink some more.

I hope my parents weren't listening to this. And then we look up and I'm like, Ashley, I think, I'm not gonna say the girl's name. I'm like, I think so-and-so is about to piss in the suitcase and she's like, wait, what? And sure enough, she walks over to my best friend's open suitcase and thought it was a toilet and pissed like all over her stuff.

Oh my gosh. And I'm like, this is freshman spring break. Like that is what this is. The only other time that anything similar, that like not even nasty happened to me was the time that I found Will in our yard drunk. Um, what? Yeah.

I guess we had like drank at the neighbors and I went home and Jackson was at Will's parents and I was like, where's Will? Like I had gone upstairs, taken a shower and no signs of Will. And so I'm like, well, you know, maybe, maybe like went back for another drink or something. And then like time kept passing and Will didn't show up.

So I go outside and I see the outside light like keep coming on and going off. So like obviously someone's out there moving. Oh my gosh. So I am like saying Will, Will. And I can hear him like kind of answering me, but like it seems far away. And I open up our back gate and Will is literally

in the back gate. I kid you not laying down sleeping on the ground. Oh my God. And I'm like, what are you doing? Why? He comes inside and at this point I'm like, okay, I just need to get you, there's this hangover stuff. Actually it used to be a sponsor.

And I had it in the cabinet and I was like, I need you to take this like right now. I need you to get a water. I need you to get a shower. And I couldn't even take him seriously. He was standing in the kitchen with grass debris all over him like clippings all over him. His kneecaps looked like he had been like crawling

through the grass because there was clippings like hanging on his kneecaps. Oh my God. And all over the side of dirt, all over the side of his face. And I'm like, what are you doing, sir? I just, were you parents yet? Or was this pre-Jackson?

This was like before we divorced. Oh my God. Yeah, this was like. Will decided to have a whole rager at the neighbors and you weren't aware. Yeah, no, I wasn't aware. I was very aware and very upset. But I also was laughing my way through the entire thing.

And I was just like, how do you even exist? Like what is happening? I would love to know other people's drunk, shitty, grass clipping, pissy. Sleeping in the yard. Stories, like I would love to hear them. If you guys have not followed us on at coffee combos podcast on Instagram,

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