Coffee Convos with Kail Lowry and Lindsie Chrisley - 22: Kids' Milestones, NYC Flashers, Male & Female Stereotypes

Episode Date: April 5, 2018

Kail and Lindsie catch up from the last couple of weeks of travel and guests on the show! Lindsie talks about how she cried over one of Jackson's milestones, and Kail can relate. Kail talks about a crazy New York City experience with a naked man wearing nothing but tennis shoes. Kail talks about a shady DM situation and how she got hit on by someone who has a girlfriend. They talk about how society shapes kids and how they are both teaching their kids to think outside of the box. They talk about an upcoming NYC girls weekend & the Teen Mom 2 reunion. Plus, Naked & Afraid, future podcast plans, & More.  See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

Hey guys, it's Lindsay and Kael and we're back with coffee combos. Lindsay, I have so much freaking crap to tell you. And first of all, let me just say that I think the last couple weeks have been going really well because I was really excited to talk to McKenzie and then Caitlin and Tyler. So I think we're doing all right. I know. And I feel like, okay, so so many people like hearing the cast from teen mom. And then we've been getting some tweets and stuff about why I don't have my own guest.

And actually, McKinsey was my guest. So I think it's kind of, like, it's kind of funny. And we're all close to the same age. So it kind of works, you know. Corrine was your guest, too. You really were the one that set that up, too, the psychic medium. Yeah. So, I mean, I just think it's kind of funny.

and actually the guests that we have had, we haven't had to like send any request for people to be on our podcast yet. Like we haven't even gotten to that point to where we have to start requesting people because people have just offered or volunteered to come on or wanted to be on the podcast. Right. And it just kind of works out. Yeah. Yeah.

So, I mean, it's not like we're just trying to stick to just teach to just, teen mom cast. It's just it happened to work out that way and we're very still new at this. Like, this is only our 22nd week of doing this. And we haven't really had a ton of guests, really, to speak of, just like in the last few weeks, you know, we have. Yeah. Yeah. And hobby's been on twice. I was going to say, when people tweet me about like, just started your podcast, like listening. I'm like a little embarrassed on how we like started. I know we all have to start somewhere, but like the first kind of the first few episodes that we were like new to podcasting and like it was just like super fresh and like I don't know. I was kind of nervous to do it. I didn't know if I was

going to like it's kind of like radio and it's like I don't know. I didn't know if I was going to like it and I didn't know how it was going to go. And now I feel like in like week 22, we're having a great time. We get to have guests. We have like full on conversations and I love it. And I'm just like, just hang in there gets better. Yeah, I know. And I have been seeing like a lot of people also like from reality TV that have jumped on like wanting to do podcast since we've started. So and not just like from MTV, but you know, like just all over reality TV people wanting

podcast now. So I think it's a good outlet, you know, it's for people to be able to know us on a different level and hear like real life conversations unfiltered. I think it's been like a nice change of pace. Yeah, no, I really like it. And I'm glad that we did it. So literally right before you called, I didn't answer because I was crying and I'm so stupid. Why were you crying? Because, okay, I don't know if Lincoln has started to have homework and stuff yet. not Lincoln but Isaac does Jackson like has just started to have homework and it's kind of been crazy because to watch his schoolwork come home from school and then the difference and the homework that I do with him it looks literally like two different students do it and obviously I know that he is going to do better whenever I help him because it's a one-on-one you know, interaction versus being in the class with like, you know, 11 other kids. It's going to be

harder for his work to be as good. So, you know, I get that. But just since he's been having homework, like his coloring has improved so much. And he had an issue or has had an issue with his fine motor just being a little bit delayed. And I don't know if that was because he was born early or, you know, if it's just he had a delay in his fine motor. But, he just finally started writing his name with like the letters going the right way and so I just like started crying for no reason oh that's not dumb you shouldn't feel stupid you're a mom I feel like that's something like I don't know Lincoln's just what a year younger than Jackson and he has not even started writing his name okay well that at least like I don't know and Jackson has a lot of girls in his

class and then had like a lot of girls in his class last year too. And they develop, yeah, they're like, learn quicker, I feel like. Yeah, they just learn quicker. And I just feel like they're so much like more not like advanced, but kind of. You know, like they just do everything at a faster pace than boys do. And I feel like their names like when you look at their papers because I help in his class and, you know, I'm his room mom.

And so I go in there and I see, you know, how the kids. write and I see these girls and I'm like, oh my gosh, they look like they could write in cursive at this point. They're five years old. And Jackson's C is backward and his K looks like an H and his N looks like I don't even know what, like an upside down you. He'll get it. He will get it. Don't stress. So I just like started crying because he got his, I mean, really it was mainly because his C was like from the right place because he tries to write all of his letters from the bottom instead of from the top. So when he starts from the bottom, it goes the opposite direction. I'm sure he'll get the hang of it so quick and then you're not even going to remember that you

stressed about this. I know. I know. He's probably going to be like, you're ridiculous and I hope he never listens to this. Well, at least he'll know that you were really concerned and you were, you know, you are a dedicated mom to helping him learn how to write the C the correct way. I know. I know. I can't wait until Lincoln starts writing his name. so that we can. Oh my gosh. I'm sure it'll be. Lincoln probably, Lincoln has no desire to write his name. Like, I don't even, he doesn't have a desire to color. Like, that boy is a Ninja Turtle and a Power Ranger all day every day. He doesn't have time to write his name. He is not interested. Not at all. So guys, you probably remember when Lindsay and I had a debate about the proper way to brush your tongue and your teeth, which I am totally right about. But anyway, whichever way you choose to brush your teeth, you should be doing it with an awesome new. quip toothbrush. If you're like most people, you probably don't brush your teeth for a full two minutes or replace your brush head enough. Kale probably definitely doesn't. So KIPP design the perfect electric toothbrush combining dentistry and design to make a better electric toothbrush. I love my

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First of all, Kill. I opened up my phone and was not expecting the photo. Let me explain to you. No, not even just my weekend, my entire week. First of all, before I sent you that picture, which I will discuss in this. second, I did receive an unsolicited dick pick on Instagram. Oh, my God. And so that was where it all started.

Okay, that was a couple days ago. Then I go to New York City. The executives from MTV had asked me to be on TRL. So I was like, yes, of course. So Thursday night or Thursday, I go to New York. And since the taping for TRL goes really late, like we weren't done. until like 11 or 12, I was going to leave Friday morning. So after we filmed TRL, we go get drinks.

And we're walking out to go back to our hotel room. And it's not even that late, like maybe 1 a.m. And I'm on FaceTime with my friend, and I look over. And at this point, it's dark. And I already can't really see that well. So I look over and this guy is parked in the middle of the street. So not even like pulled over anything. And I'm looking at him like, okay, this is New York City.

Maybe he's wearing like a yoga suit. So I'm like, you know those like, um, like those stores have them. It's kind of, they're kind of like leggings, but it's like a whole body suit. You know what I'm talking about? Oh, yeah. Yeah. So I'm like, maybe he's like a dancer or something. And then I look harder.

And I even just said it out loud. I was like, are you naked? And he just looks at me like a deer in headlights. Dog, you are in the middle of the street. It's not like you are like hiding in the corner or like you have your lights off in the car and you're trying to dress in the car. Like you are full on, doors are open, and your hang dang is all the way out. Like, he only had sneakers on, Lindsay. He goes, he didn't even answer my question. He goes, you can take a picture if you want, just don't put my face in it. And of course, my friend Becky's

right next to me. She takes a freaking picture. And I'm just wondering, like, I have so many questions. Like, first of all, he didn't come off as, like, on drugs or, like, drinking or anything like that. But why, if you're sober, fully sober, and you're naked and you have a nice car, one, are you not sober that could you even be driving right now? And two, why do you only have sneakers on? Like, if you're going to be full-blown naked in the middle of the street, why do you even have shoes on? Like, I'm so confused. Why don't you just go like balls to the walls naked? You know what I'm saying?

Actually, the first thing, whenever I saw the picture, the first thing that I saw were the shoes, shoes and I was like, what in the world? I immediately looked down on the shoes and I was like, okay, like, is it because he's wearing like slide on sketches or? And then I looked up and I was like, oh my God, his junk is all out. I cannot. What was he thinking? So I was coming up with scenarios for him.

He wasn't thinking or in his right mind or he's just a professional. flasher. I thought this was my theory. Maybe he was with a girl or a guy, whatever, and maybe they were doing it and got caught in the act and he had to run out of the house. Kale. Or maybe they were doing it in the car and she left or he left. I don't know, but he was parked in the middle of the street, so it's not like he was like pulled over. So, or I don't know. And who just gets out of the car like who just gets out of the car butt-ass naked with right that's what I'm saying like if that was the case I would be in the backseat trying to put my clothes on not standing up in the middle like I was so confused but it goes back to your theory if he was with somebody and then he like ran out

got caught and his clothes wouldn't have been in the back seat to put it well and then of course because my friend took a picture we sent it to like our other friends and is this illegal Am I even allowed to like, he said we could take a picture, so I don't know. My friends were like, oh my God, is that your baby's dad? And I was like, oh my God, no, he's not in New York naked. Like, I promise that's not Chris. Kail, do you remember? That's what I said.

You said that. Oh, my God. You're like, is that Chris? Oh my gosh. He looked just like him. I'm like, that's the last thing that we need is for my child's father to be in New York City naked. And if it was, I mean, I mean, I'm. would be mortified.

Like I legitimately had to take a double take. Like I had to zoom. I trust me, I did not want to zoom in on the photo. But you're like, is this Chris or no? Yeah, I had to because it looked so much like him and like the skin tone and everything was like right on. So I was like, oh my God. Yeah, that was a nightmare.

So yeah, that was that. Oh my gosh. If I would have been there, could you have, could you imagine me a straight lace? You probably would have called the police. Yeah, I would have been like, I'm going to need you to hold up right there while I dial 911. Please don't move. Could you imagine? No, no.

That's what. And you know what? My fuck boy week doesn't stop there, Lindsay, because you know what? Let me tell you one more thing. So I'm talking to this kid that I went to school with and he was like heavily involved on campus and like just like a super like cool kid. and we're like roughly the same age. So he slides in the DMs, asks me for my number.

I gave it to him. We're just talking, like literally just talking. It was nothing more. I never thought it was going to go any further. However, right. He texts me and he's like,

in the middle of a conversation, like full on middle of a conversation, is like, I just want you to know that I have a girlfriend. And I said, yeah, that's like, okay. I can respect your relationship. And he goes, well, I didn't, to be on,

here, actually, you know what? I'll read it to you because I cannot make this shit up. So he says he has a girlfriend and I'm like, okay. And I was like, I'm obviously going to respect your relationship. And I would honestly say his name just to put him on blast, but I won't. He goes, well, tell me how you really feel. I'm going to tell you I have a girlfriend, but I don't mind. I honestly wanted you for the longest. Actually, my intentions with you were never to be friends. And I said, what? And then he goes, I don't expect you to be single, but I've been full of surprises talking to you today.

And I sent the crying, laughing face. And he goes so dot, dot, dot. Okay, first of all, here's the thing. I thought highly of him because he was so heavily involved on campus and stuff and, like, is in a lot of activities. And he just seemed like a really good kid. If you have a girlfriend, do not slide in my DMs because I'm not going to entertain it. I'm not, I'm going to cut that off. I don't understand why you would think that I would entertain it.

he went further to say that he didn't care if I was in a situation or if I had a significant other that he it didn't bother him. Well, it's just like completely inappropriate on all levels and the fact that like let's just take out the fact of him being shady, but you also have three kids. So like what the hell did you think was going to happen? I don't have time to waste on fuckboys and hookups. And no. Like I literally just got done telling him that I am spending the day with my infant.

Like what did you think was going to come out of this? Oh my gosh. And I mean, I wonder what his girlfriend would think if she knew. Does she know you or do you know her? I know of her. And so like I've been on both sides of cheating. So I've seen it from all angles. I've seen it from all points of views.

and I think when Chris played me as bad as he did, I think I needed to, now I'm looking at it and I'm like, okay, I needed to feel that and to see it to understand what I had done in my past. So I'm almost like, you know, when Chris did all the things that he did and I would get mad at both of him, him and the girl, like the girls, because I would be like, everyone knew that he was with somebody. So like, why would all of you guys do this to me? And so like, then I was like,

reading online about like, you know, stuff like this. And they would be like, well, the girl doesn't owe you loyalty. He does. The guy does. So it kind of felt like, yeah, but if the girl, like, as from woman to woman, I feel like they also do. Like, why would you ever put someone else's family through that? And so for me, I'm not going to go tell his girlfriend because I feel like that's a mess that's like none of my business. On the same hand, though, I'm also going to cut that shit off. And I feel like I'm looking out for her too because that. I'm not going to do that to you. I know how that feels. You know what I mean? Yeah. I mean, I just feel like it'll eventually catch up with him though because if he did that and said that stuff to you, then he's saying that stuff to other girls. Like chances are.

Yeah, that's true. You know, so eventually if the behavior keeps up, then it's just going to catch up with him anyway. So like I just say let go, let God and. Karma is real. Peace out. Yeah, for sure. Well, anyways, that was my week with fuck boys. and all kinds of crazy nonsense. So anyways. All right, guys, let's take a second to talk about one of our favorite things to arrive at our door. FabFit Fund subscription box. These boxes are seriously like Christmas every time they arrive because they are jam-packed with full-sized goodies that you will absolutely love.

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fabfitfund.com and use our code coffee to get $10 off your first fat fit fund box. Back to the show. Oh my gosh. So I've been reading all these comments since, remember you and I talking about you were like, oh, what should I do with Lux's hair? And I was like, don't cut it, don't cut it. And then the next thing I know, he's got like a little top knot, which is absolutely adorable. And I've been reading comments about people saying that You need to cut his hair or like it shouldn't be up. How do you feel about the people saying that kind of stuff? Okay.

So I'm super frustrated with it because I feel like I love his long hair. And no, I don't wish that I had a daughter because I feel like I've read comments about that too. It's like, oh, you do know you have a son, right? And yes, I know that. But I don't know. I just feel like with my other boys, they didn't. I kind of waited. until they were old enough to tell me what they wanted to do with their hair.

And so I don't see why I would wait until, I don't see why I would do anything different with Lux just because he was born with long hair and it's longer faster than my other boys. I should not cut it because, or I should cut it because society tells me I should cut it. I don't think so. And, you know, Lux's dad had dreads that were down to his shoulders. So I don't feel, so it's kind of like, I know that Chris is going to,

well, at least I hope, support me in letting, you know, Lux choose whether he wants to have long hair as a boy or short hair. And he's only seven months old. So I kind of feel like I need to wait it out a little bit longer for him to decide. Well, and I mean, it's so cute. I mean, he has the most beautiful head of hair. He's always had a ton of hair. Like he was born with a ton of hair. And obviously you're going to do something to try to keep it out of his face. And it so happens to be a time where The man bun is a trend. So, you know, why not just go with it? Let him have the hair. And if you all decide to cut it, then you can cut it. But, I mean, it's not really anyone's business if you decide to ponytail your son's hair. You know what's crazy too, though? Is I try to be as like, I don't know what the word is.

I try to let my boys be as creative and be who they are and encourage their, you know, for them to be whoever they all. are, whatever that may be. And I, when I put his hair up, when I put Lux's hair up for the first time, even my boys were like, what is that? Why did you put his hair up? Like, he looks like a girl. Like, girls do that. And I was almost kind of disappointed in myself as a mom because I, you know, I put Lincoln's hair up when it was really long and before we cut it. And Lincoln would always just pull it out. Like he would pull the ponytail out. So I just stopped doing it. And I never put Isaac's hair up, but Isaac did have long hair before it got cut. So,

I was almost disappointed because I felt like even my boys know that they should they should be able to do whatever they want and a ponytail doesn't make a boy or a girl. So I mean, I feel like it was kind of, it's kind of an important lesson to my kids too because I, you know, I try to explain it to him. You know, he's a boy and boys can have ponytails. And I gave both of you guys the option if you wanted ponytails or long hair and you both said no. And I mean, I think they got used to it really quick and they understood fairly quickly. But I was, it's kind of sad to look at how young. other boys are and how society is already shaping them into what they think a boy versus girls should be. You know what I mean? Well, I know because it's even funny if you watch boys color and stuff, they will tend to like stay away from girl colors and stuff like that. Yeah. And I always tell Jackson, like, you can color with pink. It's okay. Or you can color, you know, with whatever color. Like, that doesn't mean that you're a girl just because you color with a pink crayon or just because, you know, you want to play with girls if they're playing, you know, Barbie Dreamhouse and it looks like something that's fun, that doesn't mean that you're a

girl because, you know, you want to play with girls. I just, I don't know. I just don't like the, I just don't like living like that, you know, and I just try to teach him that it's okay. Because there's a lot of boys that kind of when they get Lincoln and Jackson's age, it's kind of like where they start separating where boys start like just playing with boys and girls start playing with girls. They kind of realize like, oh, I'm a boy and you're a girl so I wouldn't play with you. Yeah. And I always tell him, I'm like, it's okay. Like if you want to play with the girls in your class, it's okay. Or if you want to, you know, just play with the boys in your class, it's okay. Or if you want to play with everybody, that's okay.

Right. That's kind of, Lincoln is more like Lincoln is a boy's boys, a man's man. Like he just only wants to play with the boy, only wants to do boy things. And then he's like, and I say boy things and I freaking hate when they do that. So, you know, he'll be like, oh, I can't be the pink Power Ranger. Or, like, if he's, like, deciding who's what Power Ranger in the house, he only will give me or his godmother pink or yellow because we can't be red or gold or white because they're all boys. And I just get so frustrated because I'm like, it doesn't have to be that way and I get so annoyed.

Isaac understands it more. But even with, like, the hair thing, Isaac understands that, boy, can have long hair, but then when I did it to his brother, then it was an issue. I don't know. The whole thing is just so, I don't know. I don't know. It's really, I get your frustration because there are some kids that are in Jackson's, I'll say maybe not necessarily his class, but his school, that the boys will only play with the boys and they don't have any, you know, interest in even being nice to the girls or being friends with the girls. And I just don't like it, you know, it's like we're all five years old here.

You know, let's just be friends. It doesn't have to be that serious. It's not like, you know, we're like segregated here. I mean, this is stupid. Yeah, I don't get it. But all I can do is, you know, not that I shouldn't use Lux as a lesson, but I'm going to keep his hair long, just like I did for the other two boys. And I'm going to continue to tell the older boys, you know, this is the same thing

that I did for you guys and when Lux decides that he wants to cut his hair, then it's time to cut his hair. But, I mean, I think being able to talk about his hair and it being a lesson kind of all goes in one. So I don't know. Hopefully it will, hopefully it'll, I don't know. Yeah, there's just frustrations. The only thing that I can think of. And to add like the comments on all kinds of social media, like, I don't know. I think people just speaking of social media, there was this woman who messaged me. Like there was this crazy woman who messaged me. Remember us talking about adoption with McKinsey? Yes.

Okay. So in no way, shape or form was I talking negatively about adoption at all? And did you get that vibe whenever we were talking about it? No, I just, the only thing that you said was that you personally couldn't do it. but overall it's a good thing. Yeah, I mean, I think it's a great thing and I, you know, could see myself being a foster parent and being able to help a child until it could be placed into, you know, a permanent situation. But like I said, I know what my limits are and I would only want to do what would be fair for the child.

And I'm not saying that if I got, you know, a foster child or something like that, that I wouldn't fall in love with that child. I just don't know because I haven't been, you know, in that situation. So I don't know what my capabilities really truly are until they're tested. But I'm just saying I wouldn't just like dive nose dive into an adoption situation, not knowing if I have any type of hesitations and then go into adoption and then not be able to love that child equally as my own. That wouldn't be fair to the child. and that was my only point. Yeah, no, I get that.

That was my only point. So this woman, literally a social worker, works for a state. I won't say what state, sends me this crazy message about how, like, basically I should die. Like, actually she said that I should die. No mind. No. And I'm like, first off, and then she quoted me on stuff that I never even said. So first off, that's wrong.

Like you don't go and quote people and put quotes around something that someone said that they didn't say. So clearly you need to clean out your ears while you're on your way to work. And secondly, I just feel like somebody that is a social worker should not be sending hate messages to people. Furthermore, I go to her thing. I block her. So I've got to go back and look and see what her username is. but I go to her profile and see that she has all of these, like, photos of her doing all of this, like, social work stuff.

And then she notoriously comments on mine and your stuff of, like, hate, basically just, like, being a hater, saying anything that she can possibly say negative, she says negative. And she's actually done it on our podcast Instagram, my personal Instagram, your Instagram. Okay, we need to block her. I'm just like, so I did block her. So I just don't understand if you have something negative to say about someone. I wasn't saying anything negative about adoption. In fact, I think it's a great thing.

And I think it's a great option for kids and families. You know, I think it's great. And like I said, I could be a foster mom and who's to say that I wouldn't fall in love with a child. that I brought into my home and was able to help. I'm not saying that I wouldn't because I'm sure that I would love that child and I probably would fall in love with a child. But I just don't know because I haven't been in that situation. So I can't, you know, make an educated comment or statement on something that I just don't

know what my capabilities are. I know how I feel, but I don't know what my true capabilities are because I haven't been put in a situation. And so, yeah, I don't know. to me that I feel like she you're getting well apparently we're both getting hate on from this woman but I mean at the end of the day we're all different people and I think there are different families and you know if adoption works for everyone then I think we would have all adopted you know what I'm saying so I feel like for her to come at you for saying something you know that applies to just you is kind of unfair

and I think that they're she should focus on more instead of focusing the hate on you for saying what you've said and feeling how you feel, you're entitled to feel however you feel. She needs to focus her energy on, you know, instead of that, she can look for families who are actively seeking to adopt. I think that would be her better way to direct her energy. It sounds like. Well, and part of me really wants to contact the state that she works for and let them know what she is doing over social media. Does she have a name on her profile? Like she, so I looked at her photos and that's how I found out where she works because she has like tons of photos doing social work stuff.

And she had on like a collared shirt that had where she worked. So I just think it's kind of silly that you would go and start trying to attack someone or attack, attack multiple people because that's what she's done. You know, she's attacked you on stuff, me on stuff, whatever. and I just think it's a little bit silly when you have a state job that you're working in social work, which, I mean, it's just a poor reflection of your character to go out and do stuff like that. I mean, I'm not just like actively seeking people's profiles on Instagram or Twitter, you know, Facebook or whatever it is. I'm not actively seeking to attack someone over something that's not even like what she was saying. isn't even the truth. I mean, I think that speaks, what you're saying, kind of applies to all of social media in

general. Like, for me, if I see something online or if I hear something in the media, most times, I'm going to keep scrolling or I'm going to have my own opinions or thoughts on it, and then I'm going to keep going. Like, unless something really hits home for me, like, I'm just not going to comment. And maybe it did hit home for her, but I think the incessant, like, commenting, and if she's on mine and yours and the podcast, Instagram. Like, that's overkill.

It's time to, you know, if you said what you've said, you've said your piece, move on. Like, she needs to move on. So I'm glad you blocked her. You're going to have to send me her username so I can block her too because I don't have time for, I really, I deal with enough stuff in my own head and my own drama that I don't need someone from the state to be. And I hope she's not in my state. No, she's definitely not in Delaware. Okay, good. So I'm like, that's the last thing I mean.

But I mean, part of me, part of me just wants. to be like, okay, you know what, come Monday morning, I'm going to look up the state's number and call them and report her as an employee for going out on social media and doing this kind of stuff. But part of me is just like, you know what, I'm not going to waste my time and effort. I'm just going to say my piece about it to you, you know, raise awareness about what's going on on social media and just kind of move forward with it and not really worry about her because she's irrelevant to my life, you know? Well, I mean, I think if she continues, maybe she'll hear this podcast and she'll know that she needs to back off.

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How do you think that the interview with Tyler and Caitlin went? I thought it went great. Like actually, I have so much respect for them. And, you know, they are an adoption situation, you know? I mean, so. Oh, yeah. I didn't even think, yeah. You know, so I think what they did, it would be so hard for me.

I can't say what I would do if I had been in, like, one of y'all situations and had a child so young. I can't say what I would do because, again, I wasn't in that situation, you know? So you never know what you're actually going to do until you're placed in that situation in life. You can sit and say hypothetically, oh, this is what I would do. But that doesn't mean anything because you're not in the situation or you don't have the pressure on you to make a decision. So it's easy to like have an opinion. But I couldn't imagine how she felt. but I do think with adoption, with having closed adoptions and open adoptions, I don't even know if I was, you know, placed in that situation to have to make that type of decision what I would choose because there's positive and negatives to both sides of that.

Right. You know, like with a closed adoption, it's almost like, you know, you have emotionally and mentally closed yourself off from that situation and, you know, you try to move forward with your life. and let whoever adopted your child be able to move on and raise them to the best of their ability. And you just pray that they're being raised in a great home and that whoever, you know, how they were placed, that they were placed like in the best home that they could possibly be placed. But then on the other end, you have open adoptions to where you are allowed to have, you know, a certain kind of relationship, I guess, with limits, this child and then you see them grow up and then I would imagine that the constant thought would be well what if right so I couldn't imagine you know how they feel and I'm sure it's hard on some days

but I'm sure they also feel like they made the right decision because they weren't at a place in their life to be able to raise a child and then they waited years before you know they ever had another child. So, you know, I think that they're very smart. I did see on the previews for teen mom OG that Macy and Taylor are looking at adoption. I mean, I haven't talked to them, but we should try to catch up with them and see if that's something that they're still actively looking into. So like the other side of it. So like Caitlin and Tyler were on, you know, they were placing their baby up for adoption. And then Taylor and Macy would be adopting if that's something that they're

actively, you know what I mean? So we should see. We should look into that. Absolutely. I would love to have Macy on here. Actually, there was like a Twitter thread or something like that that she was attached on. And a lot of people were requesting for Macy to come on. So we should definitely get in contact with her and see if it's something that she would want to do. Sure. I have friends that in Las Vegas that they adopted two older kids. I want to say they're like middle school age, brother and sister. And they were able to adopt both of them. And they love it. Did they have children before them? No. No, it's a gay couple. So they weren't able to have obviously like um i don't know if they looked into like surrogacy or anything like that i'm

sure what that process was but um i know that they tried to adopt several times and then um they finally got a brother and sister that were at middle school age i think that's awesome now so macy and taylor have three kids multiples right yeah so the day they have they have Jay and Maverick. Oh, okay. Okay. So then they would, you said that you just saw the preview that they were looking into it or whatever? Yeah, that's what it looked like.

And I know that they mentioned it when I filmed TRL on Thursday night, they mentioned two. They showed the clip there. That's where I saw it. And it was something about fostering and adoption and stuff. So I'm excited. We should definitely look into that and see. We'll do that. Actually, I want to talk to her about naked and afraid as well.

Because that's amazing. Like I might need her to teach me some survival skills. I always like Will watches naked and afraid all the time. So to me and Isaac. We love it. He watches naked and afraid. Is it called naked and afraid X-L? Like where it's-

That's the longer version. Yeah, that's a longer version. Okay. Right. Naked and afraid is 21 days. The X-L is longer than that. Well, first of all, could you imagine me being on a show like naked and afraid? Absolutely not.

Absolutely not. Could you? No. I mean, what would I do? I would never be able to survive. I would just surrender and then just go ahead and like call it quits. Surrender. I just want to know like, okay, if it was a beach one like on an island, I think I could

survive. Not because it's on a beach on an island. I would say I could survive because like islands like Puerto Rico and Hawaii, they don't have like super poisonous creatures. They don't have predators. They don't have predators. I would try to like fish. And like I caught a crab with my bare hands once.

So I could basically survive. And could you imagine me not being able to take a shower? Like no. Absolutely not. Although the saltwater would be really good for your, like it would be really good for my face. I would get like probably clear skin. I just need to know all the details. Like I need, Isaac and I talk about this all the time.

And Isaac, I told Isaac I'm going to take him to like survival classes so he can learn these skills. And he's all about it. So I think that the day that we can. hopefully get Macy on this podcast. Like, I need all the details so I can tell Isaac. Oh my gosh. No. You always talk about how you need to lose, like, X amount of pounds or whatever.

I need to lose 40 pounds or I'm going to get diabetes. Kail, you're not going to get diabetes. I'm going to, yes, I'm on the verge. So I feel like, and also if I learn these survival skills and went on naked and afraid, I would probably lose those 40 pounds. Yeah. I feel like you really would. If you were out there for that long, I feel like you would come back and you would just be like real thin.

All jokes aside, though, those people, even the ones that don't make it all 21 days are fucking bad ass because like I give them so much credit. I would, I don't think that I could do it. Like I joke about it, but I don't, I don't think I could. I know I couldn't do it for like even one day. Could you just imagine? I would be so bored. Like I feel like I constantly have to be doing something or being like productive. I would just feel like even though I would be surviving technically, I just feel like that's a bit nonproductive for me. So nonproductive.

I don't know. You have to be out in the wilderness actively seeking water, shelter, food. Like it rains. No, I'm not doing all that. Like I'm not volunteering. My biggest thing I think would be, I don't. I don't do well without sleep. So like sleep deprivation for me is you might as well, like, no.

It's just a no for me. So I think the sleeping on rocks and sticks and stuff, that would be really hard. And I would just be a miserable cunt the whole time. That just wouldn't be something that I would ever voluntarily sign up for. Well, I think I would. So I need to know what Macy. Macy, if you're listening to this, we need to get you on this podcast. I need you to describe to me all of the details, what classes, survival classes I need

take because I'm about to do this. Well, actually, they probably won't pick me ever, but I mean, I can pretend in my backyard. How did Macy get picked? That's what I want to know. I don't know because I was trying to do it for the longest time, but my agent said no, because they don't pay. And so if they don't pay, then she doesn't get paid. So she's like, I can't pitch you for that show.

And I was like, oh, okay. Okay, fine. Like I was low-key disappointed, but also it's like, okay, well, I'm, Macy's such a badass. Like I, I don't know. Well, speaking of Will watching naked and afraid, I have a few stories about Will from this past week. And then also a lot of people have been posting on our podcast Instagram. Obviously, like our podcast Instagram is popping because there's a lot of stuff going on over there. However, a lot of people have been asking if we can interview him on our podcast. So are we gonna? So I asked him if he wanted to be on our podcast and he's like indifferent. He's like,

I don't really care. Like I will, you know, but I don't think he really. So I told him that a lot of people were requesting for an interview, like you to be able to interview us. And so he's like, okay, it's like indifferent. Like it wouldn't like make or break his life. If he came on coffee combos, it would be fine or if he didn't then he would like also be fine but jackson's begging to come on coffee combos and he's told everybody he's told everybody that we have a podcast and that my podcast is with my friend kale and that we talk about all kinds of sayings that are like mom's and he said that we talk about babies and toys that he didn't really know what else.

Yeah. When you were a kid, toys when you were a kid. Oh, yeah. He wants to talk about whenever I was a kid because he loves to hear about like whenever I was growing up and I was a little kid like him. He loves to hear stories. So he wants to talk about that stuff. So I think we really should have the kids on. I think we should interview them.

And I think that I'll get Will on when we get back from spring break to let you. interview us. Oh my gosh. I would love to know what y'all's most embarrassing stories are. Like, I want to know his favorite memory of you and his most embarrassing memory of you. Yeah. I mean, I don't really know. I'm not really that much of an embarrassing person, I don't feel like. So, or like, I don't put myself in situations to be embarrassed. But maybe he'll have one. Maybe he'll have one that I don't remember or something. I'm sure he does. I have plenty of embarrassing stories.

I would love to ask him about your cleaning and your OCD and stuff like that. Like, how does he feel about that? Is he also an OCD, like, germaphobe? He can talk about me for, like, probably a solid hour and make fun of me. So I think it would be a good thing. And I can just kind of, like, take the back seat and let you. you guys roast me for a solid hour. And I'm fine with it. Oh my gosh. We have to do that. I haven't ever met Will. So it'll be fun for me to pick his brain a little bit before I ever

meet him. And he'll probably think I'm nuts before I ever meet him, which is fine. Well, I mean, who cares? Everybody thinks we're nuts. So, like, I'm, I'm fine with it. Actually, he's the one who's nuts because he fights in Little League. Like, I know that you said baseball wasn't, you know, like very competitive there. But here is. And they actually... Not as kids. They go through a draft. Like even at five years old, the coaches go one evening and they draft the kids.

Like they have first round draft picks. Like, it's... At five years old? At five years old. Like, it's crazy. And the South, I think baseball is just so much different. But it's, I mean, I would think that you would think stuff like that would kind of be like similar, you know, as far as like how.

is like how they like what is it because Isaac's eight and he's been playing baseball for the past two or three years and they don't literally at eight years old they're still letting every single person on the team bat and they're not keeping score so maybe it's the type of like league that he's in yeah like what type of league does Isaac play in does he play for the county no he plays little league Little League. Yeah, like Jackson plays Dizzy Dean like Little League. So maybe it's just different here, but it's so serious. Do they have practice or just games? So here they'll have like a month or two, I want to say, of just the practices. And then once like a certain date hits, it's only games. Okay. So it's kind of similar to us then because it's almost like four or five weeks. before the season, like, kicks off.

They have weekly practices. And then once a season starts, then they play games. But like this particular week, we had three games, which is kind of abnormal. Normally we have a weekday game and then a Saturday game. Same. But there was a rainout. Oh. There was a rain out from the week before.

So it got pushed into this week. So we literally had baseball Wednesday, Thursday, and today. So it was a lot, you know, for a five-year-old. And Jackson has always kind of felt like one of the youngest on his teams and his school class. So he's much smaller than a lot of the kids on the team. A lot of the kids are almost like they're right at turning six. And he just turned five, four days after Christmas. So you wouldn't think that it was that big of a range.

But it's crazy. see the difference. The kids that are almost six right now next year, they'll play up to the next team, like the next group. And then Jackson will be like the older one next year. Right. But it's just funny to watch because, you know, we'll play D1 ball. And so to watch him get out on the field and get competitive playing little league.

like he's he's asking people like oh have you ever played baseball before like have you ever watched a major have you ever watched a major league game before and I'm thinking to myself oh my God why are you asking this man if he's ever watched a major league game like where are we going to get with this conversation um I think it's because the game the rules of little league is a little bit different than like actual the actual real rules of baseball as far as like running rules. So Will makes his team go off of not little league rules, but rules that would apply when they move up to the next age group and how they're going to actually have to play baseball and not the way that they can kind of like cheat their way of running right now. And so he feels like other teams, when they don't make their kids play real baseball, then Will says that they're cheating, which technically they're not cheating because it is the rules of Little League. But I do understand Will's side of it that he wants to teach them how to actually play the real game.

Because when they go to the next level, then they're going to have to be retought on how, like, what the rules are. So, I mean, I get it from both sides, but yeah, it's kind of funny to watch him get frustrated because Will is like a really calm person and he's not high strong at all. Like he's totally opposite personality as me. Like I let everything bother me and I wear like my heart on my sleeves. And Will is nothing bothers him like literally our wall could cave in and he would be like, oh shit, I should probably fix that. And I would be like, oh my God, we've got to like fix it right now. We've got to like call 911 in case like there's an emergency. And he's just not like that.

Yeah, he's just totally different personality, which is good because you definitely couldn't have like two me's or two of him. So yeah, it works. But yeah, he gets on my nerve sometimes too. I struggle with, okay, so all my kids play, well, I shouldn't say all of them. Two out of three kids, they play sports. We do jujitsu, basketball, baseball, and soccer. I struggle with baseball the most because I don't know if it's maybe the age that they're at. I think if it was more like what Jackson's doing, it would be probably better for me and Isaac.

Because right now, Isaac even struggles with it. He's like, oh, like he wants to play baseball. But then when he gets there, he's like it's so slow because they wait for everybody on the team to bat. They kind of don't really, it's not really fast pace. Wait, so you're saying, you're saying like even if they get three outs, like they don't play by that rule. Everybody, every inning gets to bat?

Yes. No. We do not play like that. Like it is the rules here are you get five pitches. That's the maximum amount of pitches that you get five. If you swing at three, obviously you're out like regular baseball. But if you, you know, you. swing at two and then you don't swing at one,

you still get a maximum of five pitches as long as you don't swing at the first three pitches. So then it's three outs, three outs and then you switch. Yeah, for us, they don't do that. They wait for every single person on the team to bat. And so it's not fast-paced enough for Isaac. And then he's frustrated. So I get frustrated and it's like, I want him to play.

and I know he would want to play if it was more, I know baseball as a whole is kind of like, it's like a long game. It's, you know, it's nine innings or whatever. I know, but I think if it was a little bit more, okay, three strikes and you're out type deal, switch, that would be great. And I think Isaac would be more involved,

but I think he just gets so, like, bored with it where he loves basketball. He loves jujitsu, soccer sometimes, but it's, like, pretty repetitive. So I don't know. I try to tell him, that he's got to try everything until he figures out what he really likes. But Lincoln has no desire to play.

You'll have to tell me about soccer because Jackson wants to play in the fall. So we're going to let him play baseball in the spring and soccer in the fall, at least to try it, you know, just to see if he likes it. And he loves to play with me. We'll go to the park and just like kick around. But this will be his first windfall comes around. it'll be his first soccer season. So it'll be interesting to see the different dynamic.

The thing I will say is, though, is that is a little frustrating that everybody hits every inning because that's also completely unrealistic. And that is not the rules of baseball at all. I will say, like, I do the dugout for our team. Like, obviously, my husband coaches. So I'm in the dugout and I try to keep it organized, make sure the kids know. Like, keep your hats and your gloves in your back. if you're batting, have your helmet on, be ready to go on the field in the event that you are

going to bat. We have a lineup like on the fence and they know exactly like what the batting order is. And they sit on the bench semi in that order. You know, we've got some scragglers and my child, one of them, a lot of the times. But it's, it's very functional and it's organized. And it's a lot more fast-paced, once they kind of get down that, hey, this is what we're going to be doing and this is what's expected, then they're very quick. Like, they will sling off their, sling their bats and helmets and put it in the bag and get their hats and gloves and they're on the field. And it was very fast today. I feel like they're coming together more as a team as we've played, you know, a few games. They're just coming together more. But it's funny to see them develop just over a

you games and when they start kids love structure and that's what people don't understand is you're not being mean to a child when you're telling them you know what to do or if you're a little harsh with them that's not being mean that's just trying to get them to a point of this is what's going to be expected of you at the next level so just go ahead and do it set yourself up so that you can learn so when you get there next year you're not like a bobo you know acting like a doofus in the dugout or, you know. Right. Yeah. And like the thing with the hats too, I try to teach them, keep them in your bag whenever you come in just because of life and stuff, you know. Yeah. Just keep your hats. Your names are in your hats. Keep them in your bags. Get your hats and

gloves. It keeps everything organized. Everybody knows how I am about organization. It's not functional if it's not organized. I sent you the picture of the dugout today and you were like, um, did you do that? And then I was kind of embarrassed to text back like, yes, I did. I didn't know if it was you or not or if the kids actually just like listen and actually did it. So I wasn't sure. Yeah, but it's funny because as you teach them, they come in and they automatically, like today was the first day that we, you know, we've had several games and just kind of like drilling it into them. When you come off the field, hats and gloves in the bags, grab your bats. Hats and gloves in the bags, grab your bats, like over and over again.

And so today was the first day that they actually came in and acted like they had done this before, you know, So it was nice. It was a nice change of pace. And we actually got our first little league win of the season. So that was nice. That's so cool that you guys keep score and record and stuff. They don't – Isaac's eight and they don't do that.

So I'm hoping that maybe this year when he plays that he'll – And I'm surprised ours hasn't started yet if you all have started already. Well, and it's kind of funny because I've noticed it like Jackson's age group that he's playing in right now. At the age group before, they didn't care about the score. But this age group, it's kind of like where they're getting to, okay, are we winning or are we losing? And then I definitely feel like when they get to the 7-8 age group, they're really going to care if they won or if they lost. I don't, yeah, I don't know. I'll let you know in a couple weeks when Isaac starts, but I don't know. Yeah. Yeah. I don't know. Okay. And so this is another thing.

while we're talking about sports. How do y'all do snacks for the various sports? Like the various sports or just like for each sport? So there's usually a team mom who will, not team mom, team mom, will assign a parent every week. Okay. Okay. So I tried to last season because obviously I'm the room mom in Jackson's class,

team mom for baseball. Maybe that should be our new show. Team mom. Team mom. So obviously, you know, my husband coaches so naturally that just kind of falls on my lap. So I don't, I don't even think about it. You know, just like something that I've done since Jackson's been playing for the past two seasons. And nobody really volunteers to do it either. So that's all. the thing. And it is, you know, kind of like a job. I don't get to just, like, sit on the bleacher and watch my kids. Sometimes I wish that I could, but then I probably would wish if I was on the bleachers that I was in the dugout. So, you know, I enjoy it and it's fun to have the interaction with the kids and be involved with them. But the snack thing, last season, when Jackson played spring

baseball, I put, you know, how organized I am. So I put all the kids' names on a spreadsheet, took it to the field, and like had people sign up. You know, I put kids' names and then I put dates of games. So I had people sign up for snacks. And I told every parent that was there, hey, I have a sign-up sheet. If y'all could just make sure you go by the sign-up sheet and put your name, I'll send out a spreadsheet so nobody forget. So it'll be like a reminder for your snack or whatever. Kale, literally, two people out of the, two people out of the whole team signed up and everybody else did. So I had to bring snacks for the rest of the time, which I don't really care, you know, like it's just snacks. Like, I don't care. But it's just like, I wish people would

dip into the clue bag and realize like, hey, my kid's also playing. So I should also give something. Like, we're not being paid to do this. This is just, you know, something that we're doing because we enjoy doing it. We enjoy having the interaction with our child. We enjoy being able to help, you know, other little kids and be involved with them. And it's just something that we do. So I'm definitely not complaining about it. I enjoy it. But I just wish parents would be like a little bit more proactive about it. That happened to us several times. I'm not a team mom at all. I've never been one because I didn't even know that was a thing until last year, actually. It kind of, was just always like already the coach's wife or the coach's girlfriend or it was just like already

like it wasn't a thing for that for like me to like a volunteer because it was already assigned before you know what I'm trying to say so yeah yeah yeah but they kind of like me you know like it fell in your lap kind of so it was kind of like that and so like they would always assign um you know a snack or whatever and or they would sign up or whatever we would always bring our snack but I think several times they didn't bring us. snacks and I mean it's whatever because a lot of the times for us it's around the games are around dinner time or on Saturdays or around lunchtime so I'm like I don't even sure like I'm like all right let's just go let's just get to the next place that we have to be but it is I can see how that's

frustrating when you're constantly like reminding or you're the one that's kind of doing all the work so it's kind of frustrating when no one's signing up like okay if you know a parent doesn't have the money for it or doesn't have what it won't be at that game okay I understand but also come on guys step it up a little bit well yeah and I mean definitely obviously like I don't want to be involved in people's financial you know well right right I didn't mean it like that but you know what I mean like even if they even if they couldn't afford it and they didn't sign up I wouldn't be like oh you didn't sign up or like tell somebody that they didn't sign up but just like hey let me know you know like if you can't if you can't provide snacks you don't even have to give me a reason like

why you can't just like let you know yeah like just say hey I can't sign it for snacks this season. You know, I can offer my time in the dugout or, you know, something like that, but I can't offer it this season or whatever. And then I just sign up, like, I will bring snacks out of the games. I will bring snacks three times this season. Everybody else, I signed one game. Like, obviously, I don't care, you know, it's not that big of a deal. I just wish some people were a little bit more proactive and new kind of, it almost makes you feel like they don't really know what's going on and they don't answer emails. It's like, I know I look at my email every day. Does everybody not look at their email every day?

I don't think so. You know? Yeah. No, I get it. Jeez. So we're kind of running out of time, but I wanted to give everybody an update on what we have going on. So do you want to tell everybody about what we're going to try to do in New York? So over the next couple weeks, we are trying to plan out a New York City train.

for hopefully the same time as the teen mom two reunion, which I'm hoping for the end of May, middle of May. And I think we're going to have Chelsea on the podcast. So, and Cole is more than welcome to join us. So we're going to try to get Lindsay to come to New York, and I'm going to bring her on the Teen Mom 2 reunion set as my guest. Because I don't know if anyone who's listening knows, but, you know, me, Leah, Chelsea, Janelle, we always bring people with us because obviously we either need help with the kids or, you know, it's kind of nice just to have like a supportive person because you never know what they're going to bring up at these freaking reunions.

So I'm going to bring Lindsay with me and we're going to record coffee combos with Chelsea and hopefully it'll be a good time. I mean, Leah will be there. We can always record another episode with her if we want, I'm sure. Or maybe whatever, whatever happens, but I'm super excited. And maybe we'll get Larry on too because I know that. Oh my God. Yes. We need Larry. He had expressed interest on being on the podcast and I think it would be kind of cool to get a production side of reality TV.

Just let people in on that side of it. And I think the back and forth with Larry between us would be. hilarious. Yeah, I mean, I call Larry. Like we have a totally different perspective on probably everything. I call Larry for everything For good things, for bad things When I want to bitch about something

He's just great and I'm sure he probably I drive him to drink I'm sure Like his wife probably hates me Because I probably make him want to consume Larry's wife has a hit Larry's wife has a hit out on you Oh I'm sure I literally said that I'm going to produce a show Called Life of Larry

And I would be curious to know If any of the other cast calls him And bitches or just vents or whatever like as much as I do. Like I'll be like, um, literally I just, the last text I sent him was, when is the reunion? Like, can you give me like an estimate? And like, if he doesn't answer me right away, I'll text him again, like, hey, Larry, just following up, do you have any idea when the reunion's going to be? Or like, I don't know, I'll ask him if he's going to wear a bug suit. Actually, I'm trying to get him to film my trip to Jamaica because they filmed my trip to Hawaii with Leah,

but for whatever reason, they can't film my trip to Jamaica with the kids. So, I'll, like, call Larry and, like, bitch at him because I, like, I obviously want to show some of the stuff with me and the kids because then people think that I go on vacation all the time without my kids. And so I like just like bitch and vent to him all the time. But yeah, no, that would be really good if we could get him to like be on the podcast. Lindsay and Larry, life with Lindsay and Larry. Yes. That would be. That would be great.

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