Coffee Convos with Kail Lowry and Lindsie Chrisley - 23: Donald Trump Jr., Reality TV Nonsense & Kail Interviews Lindsie & her husband Will

Episode Date: April 11, 2018

Kail and Lindsie talk about the end of the school year and what's in store for summer. They wanted to talk about Ryan & Mackenzie Edwards Teen Mom OG drama, but were shut down. Kail talks about baby daddy drama. They discuss Stormi Daniels 60 Minutes interview & Donald Trump Jr.'s affair with Aubrey O'Day. They discuss drama is involved in reality tv & how it affects you as a person. Lindsie discusses her separation, filing for divorce & they welcome Will for a fun interview! See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

Hey guys, welcome back to coffee combos. We've had an awesome couple weeks and we want to thank all of our listeners for joining us every week with the podcast. So Lindsay, how are you? I'm good. I'm good. Just super busy with baseball still. And I'm kind of ready for summer. You know, it's like that weird part of the school year where you're just kind of like ready for your kids to be out and just have fun. So I'm just patiently waiting. It's so funny. that right after, I think it was the same day that we talked about, like, will baseball being a baseball coach and you being like the team mom team, that how it kind of like fell in your lap, one of my friends from out here, our sons do jujitsu together. And she was saying how her husband is a baseball coach and she became the team mom by default. And I was laughing because I was like, I literally just had the same exact conversation this morning. So I thought that was pretty funny. But yeah, I feel you.

I'm kind of just like, I think the kids, when the nicer weather starts to come out, the kids are just like antsy to kind of get out of school. And it would be nice because my kids are hard to get up in the morning. Well, Isaac is. So, I mean, I wouldn't mind sleeping in a couple extra minutes. Yeah, I mean, I like sleeping in the morning, but I also feel like more productive whenever I get up early. I feel like I'm more productive at early hours in the morning.

And I get stuff done faster, but I also do like the flexibility of knowing, like, okay, we don't have to leave the house exactly at, you know, 8, 15 to get to school. So that's also nice. We actually took our first family walk since the weather has been so bad here in Atlanta. It's just been raining so much. So we took our first family walk today, and it was so nice to get outside and just for Jackson to be able to run and get some energy out. I feel like it's all bottled up over the winter and then they just get to play so much more over the summer. Oh, yeah.

I mean, the kids, even my kids, the couple nice days that we've had, they're like, can we go outside? Can we go outside? I'm like, yes, please do that. And I'll sit outside on the swing or whatever with the baby. And I think everyone in my house at least has just like better energy when there's like nice weather outside. I think we do too.

And don't you kind of feel better whenever you can go outside? And oh, I, yes. Like, I just feel so much better than just having to be cooped up inside, like looking at the four walls of your house, wondering when the weather's going to be nice enough to be able to catch, like, fresh air. It's just, it's so nice. And I can't wait to go to the pool and get a sun tan because I'm so pale right now. And I just, I'm ready. Yeah, I'm ready too. So I wanted to start, well, me and you kind of talked about it.

I wanted to start, we both wanted to start the episode today with the Ryan Edwards and Mackenzie Edwards drama. But apparently that's a big no-no. So I guess we're not going to touch that topic today. I guess I said some insensitive things on my Twitter and I shouldn't have done that. So I apologize to Macy already. I sent her a direct message and I let her know that if my tweets were offensive that I do apologize. I didn't mean to do that. Was she upset?

Or you can't really say? I don't know. I mean, she, from what I got back, I think she was just saying that, you know, she's doing the best she can as a mom. And, you know, it's a mess. So I do apologize to Macy and Taylor and the kids, Bentley. So I should have just kept my opinion to myself, I feel like. Well, I guess it's a learning lesson and you just, move on from it and just keep your opinions to personal friend text messages and we can talk about it there. Yeah, I agree. If you've listened to our show before, you have heard us talk about FrameBridge. You know they make it super easy and affordable to custom frame your favorite things from prints and posters to the photos on your phone. But did you also know that a custom frame

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I have had a rough week. It's been just emotionally draining for me. We filmed this week a couple days and I just had like, baby daddy drama that I just don't want to deal with and I'm just kind of over it. So it's been it's been kind of tough. All baby daddies are just like two out of three. Okay. The huge.

There's usually one that doesn't bother me. But when they're never, we're never just all good at the same time. So I was just like, yeah. And now you understand why I have one child. I don't think it's the child. I think it's the fact that I made the decision to have three baby daddies. Like, what was I thinking? I don't know.

But thank God for my children. So anyway, we can move on from that. I can't have all of that negativity in my life. Like, do you realize I'm such a tired person all the time? I'm so sleepy all the time. That would just send me to my grave. Drain you. Like literally.

Oh, absolutely. But it's my fault. So I can only blame myself. Oh my gosh. But like on a completely different note, this is like completely switching, completely switching gears. But have you been watching?

I watched the 60 minutes of the Stormy Daniels interview. I think it was with Anderson Cooper, I think is who the interview was with. And have you been watching any of that? No. I haven't watched it. any of it. Okay, so it's about the affair with Donald Trump and I mean, the whole thing was just sketchy. Her attorney was on there and it was just like so wild, but I watched the whole 60 minutes

of it. So if you guys didn't watch it, I'm not going to go into a full recap of about what happened because it's really none of my business, but I did watch it because I was interested. If you guys want to see it, then you can probably Google it. I'm sure there's a YouTube video out there of the interview since it is the president of the United States. But I saw on us weekly that Donald Trump Jr. had had an affair with Aubrey O'Day. I saw that. You know what? I saw that on Twitter. And if anybody doesn't know who Aubrey O'Day is, she was found. She was from from making the band. P. Diddy's show on MTV, right? Yeah, P.DDDee show on MTV. So she was part Danity Kane. And yeah, so they apparently had this long, like, affair. And they met,

actually on season five of the Celebrity Apprentice and then continued, like, throughout 2012. And then his wife found email exchanges because I guess he, like, put everything in email, which how stupid is that and put all kinds of like how much in love he was with her and apparently like page long emails and stuff and so his wife found it and then later they reconciled and then ended up actually getting divorced but um yeah I thought that was so weird isn't just a side note I thought she was with um so I guess that went up to 2012. She's with like Polly D from Jersey Shore now or maybe that's old news also. Okay, so actually she was on E's show. What was that called? Famously Single. And that's where she met Pauly D. And so they had a

relationship for a while. And then I think they broke up and then got back together and now they're not together anymore. But I just think it's kind of funny that the president of the United States has like a reality TV background and like all of this drama is all from reality TV. Reality TV is a crazy world. Like I don't think that people really fully understand like what goes into reality TV and what we deal with in our personal lives, but also six months later after the show is like filmed and like that specific drama is said and done. Six months later when it airs and tabloids pick it up and.

and we all see it again for ourselves. It kind of bites us in the ass. And I hosted TRL last week with one of the girls from the new teen mom show and Nessa and Liza Koshi. And we were talking to Gary from Teen Mom OG. And I kind of got on to him a little bit about, you know, the things that he was saying about Amber at the time. Wait, so I saw like a public apology on Twitter that he had really.

least like some kind of statement on Twitter apologizing to her publicly. But what exactly was the drama that like went down with them? I guess she had done something. They had fought or something like that. And then he was filmed saying all kinds of like crazy things about her. And whether they were true or not, my whole point was just that it sucks because in the heat of the moment you say something. And then you guys are like, not you guys, but maybe him and Amber are arguing their

filming it and then they become good again and then it turns around and six months later it bites you in the ass because it brings up old emotions or you didn't know exactly what was set on camera when you weren't there or you know there's just all kinds of things and so it's crazy that the whole like don't you were saying how like Donald Trump has like a reality TV background and um his son too and now the Aubrey O'Day thing is coming out until it's coming to light now in 2018 and it was done in what? 2012. So like it kind of just goes to show that like everything really does come to light like at some point. Yeah. And I mean it's just like especially for me whenever I went through my separation and filing for divorce.

Like people who aren't in reality TV, you know, like people that are in your life, but they're not necessarily a part of being on TV, don't understand that, you know, when you. sign up to do a show, you're signing up that you're going to basically give your life to the show and give the viewers all of that information. And you can't just like withhold pertinent information like that. So I think that a lot of people were like, oh, you know, why was it on the show or why did it come out in the media that y'all had filed for divorce? Well, I mean, it was going to come out whether I took control of it or not. It was going to, to come out. That wasn't it really... To come out. Yeah. Like you don't really have a choice and that's what people don't really understand.

Like something... It's just so crazy though. Like... Some things that you want to keep private. People will go digging. Like you can't. Yes. But people will dig for them and it'll come out regardless. So it's like you might as well kind of take control. And so I don't know. I didn't really follow too much up on like the Aubrey O'Day and Donald Trump Jr. thing. But I did see one part of it on Twitter. Yeah. So I mean... And that's just so crazy that that was back that was back so long ago.

Could you imagine that coming back six years later? Like not even like six months or a year like six whole years like later. Well, and then also like back to your point of, you know, you film it and then you don't see it for, you know, six months. It's like, okay, within that six months, you've gotten over it. And then you have to watch it get all of the post on social media where people are talking about it. and you kind of get wrapped back up into the emotions again and then have to relive it. So it's like you live it once. And then when it airs, you relive it again.

Yep. And so I think people don't get it. And sometimes you're not even healed from the first time. Yeah, people just don't get it. No, they don't. They never get it. And then they're like, oh, we'll just quit the show then. Stop putting everything out there.

Okay, well, here's a news flash for y'all. If I were to quit the show tomorrow, we've already opened that can of worms. So anything from this point forward, any big news, that we have is still going to come up because we were once on TV. So even if I was to quit last year, anything that I, any big news that I make from that from that point forward is still, is still going to be picked up by tabloids and websites and all kinds of shit. And everything follows you. It's not, it's not just like that easy. Everything follows you. So if you do a podcast or like you do a regular job, like now I do have a regular job and, you know, I'm a marketing manager.

and everybody, it's like you can't do anything without having that recognition, you know, like I worked so much harder for my degree in school, but my recognition is from reality TV. And I hate that because I wish that it's like I'm so much more than like just that. Just reality TV. Yeah. Yeah. Oh my gosh. To your point, I actually had a conversation with my friend today, well, my friend's mom.

I told her, she's a nurse and I wanted to, I told her I wanted to go back to school for nursing. And she was saying, I know I saw you posted that on Facebook, but she's like, I do want to make you think about something. And that is that people know who you are. So if you're going to go to work at a hospital and people recognize you, I mean, teen mom too was the number one show on the network for has been number one for six, seven years, eight years maybe. She's like, people will recognize you and they will try. try to sue. You will get sued just simply for the fact that they know who you are. They know all kinds of things. So she's like, you have to kind of be careful with working now. Yeah, exactly. And it's crazy because it's like, I never thought about that. So yeah, I have a degree in this field in TV. But I mean, in the grand

scheme of things, I'm probably going to go back to school for something else or for my master's in something else. And I'm probably not going to do TV for the rest of my life. But I, I, Never thought about that until she told me, which is true because even I used to be a dental assistant, people would recognize me. Oh my God, are you that girl from that show? And I'm like, weird. I'm just holding these instruments in your mouth while you're getting your teeth drilled. But yeah. Yeah, I know. That's the thing. Like it's nice having a real job and kind of being able to do like regular life, but it's still not regular life. As much as you would want it to be, you know, kind of regular life. If you're not doing it anymore, then you kind of want like a sense of normalcy. And then you do that and it's still not normal. So weird. Like I just, I don't think anybody knows that until they are already so basically balls deep in it. Well, and also it goes back to our point that we were talking about doing like studies on sending people into job interviews and seeing, you know, like completely like a blind study to where we would send people into job interviews.

and have them interview for the job and see how many people from reality TV got turned down for jobs that had qualifying, like the qualifying requirements. Well, the jobs are doing Google searches and social media searches right off the bat. So if you go into a job interview and if both of, if you and I both go into the same job interview and we're both, we both had the exact same qualifications, I'm not getting that job because of what I've had on social media. So if it was me and someone else, and even if I would say, even if I'm more qualified or equally qualified, I'm not getting hired because of reality TV and social media. Yeah. And I know that for a fact. I know that for a fact. And that kind of is scary too, because you invested four years of your life getting a degree.

Seven, almost seven. Well, seven. I spent four. So I at least feel better about mine. because my own was like less time, but still, I mean, I am using my degree now, which makes me glad because I feel like it actually was worth it to go to school. And I always said that I would use my degree after Jackson started kindergarten, that I would completely not do TV anymore. I had no plans to do TV in the first place.

That was just like something that happened. But I said when he got five, that I would get what I call like a real life job. And yeah, so I did recently and love it. And it's a great fit for me, great fit for my family and great for podcasting too because I can still, you know, like do this and then still have that. So it's like the best of both worlds. That's a good point. I think my situation's a little different.

Yeah, it's a little different. But I mean, the only thing I can do for. from here just like really think out, plan out what I can do. I don't really want to, I don't know. So I want to take a second because I've been hearing from a ton of our listeners who've tried my skincare routine, bioclarity, and they're getting such great results. I'm so excited that it's working for them because I know what it's like to have skin issues. You guys have seen me on TV and I've had like big red zits and pimples everywhere. So I know how frustrating it can be. And bioclarity is my three-step skincare program I use every day and I'm so happy with it.

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kind of clue what his personality is like. So I'm a little nervous. So what's your guess? Like you've seen pictures. So what's your guess? My guess is that he's, I don't know, because you are so like, don't take it the wrong way, but like uptight and OCD that I'm, maybe he's like super laid back. I also don't want him to think that I'm super dumb and I don't want him to be offended by my F bomb dropping. No, he won't be offended because I probably, I cuss at him like often when he does stupid stuff. So it's okay. We're not.

Okay. And just on a side note, has he ever been on Chris Lino's best? Yes, actually he has. He has? Yeah. So the first season, we filmed, I'm trying to think the stuff that we filmed. We can talk about it really quick before we get him on. So we filmed about he and I eloping.

And we filmed my breast augmentation. And he and my dad filmed at a gun range, which is not somewhere that I would send two people that like don't like each other, but that's a whole other story. And then, yeah, he filmed a few other times, but I don't think he's been, he was on Chris Lino's Best on season four, I think was his last time when he and my dad kind of like made amends or at least they're like on the same page with each other. But other than that, yeah, he really had no interest. He just wanted to have like a regular life and a regular job.

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dreaded questions. Well, first of all, hi, Will. It's nice to meet you via podcast. It's nice to meet you as well, long time listener, first time contributor. I've heard a lot about you and I know all about your baseball antics and I'm super excited to interview you right now. Well, excited to talk with y'all. Will's such a liar. He has been a long time.

Before being a long time listener to coffee convoes, he was a long time. long time watcher of teen mom. Oh yeah. That's true too. Yeah. Wait, is that true? Or are you just saying that? No, that's true. It's true. Like we used to watch it all the time. So you've seen all my ups and downs or we're just going to pretend like those don't exist. Oh yeah. We can just pretend like that don't exist. But yeah, definitely. We've seen them all. Kale, don't feel bad. We all have ups and downs. So yeah, but not like mine. So unless you're at Waffle House, then you might have a couple accidents. Did she tell you about what she did there and try and pass it off as me?

Because she's been doing that for years. What happened at Waffle House, Will? And tell the truth of the story. Okay, don't me to tell the story about Waffle House? I'm willing to hear it from either one of you. No, like, listen, I told Lindsay, I was not going to be talking about this. Because he said he would get fired from his job.

Like, who fires you for shitting your pants? Like, I told her that I'm going to have like a cease and desist foot up and like, no way, Jose. I sent Kiel the screenshots of your message and you didn't call it a cease. So I know that it actually happened. He didn't call it a cease and desist. What did you call it? A cease and a cyst. No, it's cease and desist.

I got it right. I got it right. So tell the Waffle House story. All right. So one time, and I can't even remember, like, what the context was, like... It was in the summer, and we went to Waffle House because we always went to Waffle House in college. And it was, like, a shady little dumpy Waffle House. And I think it was, like, next to, like, a strip club or something.

It was one next to a strip club. And, like, a seedy strip club. Oh, like, really seedy. it's sit on north side on north side avenue in Atlanta and you had like this days in this crap like days in hotel a waffle house and then like this strip club that had changed names like five times in the four years that we were down there and then so this is just to give you like what the waffle house looks like we're just like setting up setting stage now and so we go into the waffle house house and Will gets like 12 plates of food, I'm sure.

And he thought it was funny that he was just going to fart. Well, so I told him, I was like... No, I see where this is going. Oh, yeah. I told him, I was like, I'm pretty sure you just shit your pants. And he was like, no. So he really didn't know that he shit his pants. and then he got up to go to the bathroom.

And when he turned around, we were in a booth. And when he turned around, Kailed the back side of his pants had like a shit stale. No. No. You're making this up. No. Like, listen, so it wasn't like a full on like shit pants. It was a shart. But like, in all honesty, like, who has not sharded at least once in their adult life?

Like, I have a hard time trusting somebody who hasn't. I can honestly say I don't think that I've ever sharded. Everyone shards. I mean, maybe, I think you should maybe say like maybe all men. Yes, okay. That would probably be a better jumping off point. All the men. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Because. Yeah, no. So then we go out into the parking lot and randomly it makes me feel like he has been sharding a lot because he had a spare pair of shorts in his car. So then he put the other pair of shorts on before we left in the parking lot of the Waffle

house. So it also makes you wonder like has he been shitting his pants and he's always had a backup or Or has he been doing this? Right. He's been doing it consistently or pretty regularly in order to be prepared for something like that. Yeah. Yeah.

I mean, we didn't have. the best diet in college. So, I mean, there was a lot of like Zach's fees and Waffle House and stuff like that. And Taco Bell. Yeah. So you never really knew when it was going to come. You just knew it was going to happen. So you had to be prepared. I wasn't walking around sharding my pants and college. Okay. So did you two meet in college? Yes, we did. We, you want to tell the story of how we met? Yeah. This was also another embarrassing story. Like, I hated Will the first time I ever saw him.

So, Lindsay was like, I don't know how she became involved or met, like, this really good friend of mine in college. We had a sorority party. It was a sorority party once we rushed at the beginning of the year. And when I became a fine mule, we all went to this party, all sororities and then new fraternity guys. And for whatever reason, two guys from the baseball team felt like they should come to this party. And so that's how I met one of Will's best friends. And so I guess some time passed or whatever and he had invited her and her friend to his apartment and to like pregame or whatever. Yeah, because we were going to another sorority party.

Because that was like Lindsay's play back in college. It was like pregame and then go. And mine was like pregame and then like that was it. He never left the pregame. Never left that. So she comes over and it was love at first sight. For him. Oh, my God.

And so, like, I was talking to her a little bit and, but I think I was really nervous. I don't, I remember singing like counting crows and stuff like that. It was a full on performance. And then she left and then I think I. No, no, no, no, no. That's not what happened. Will was, he's right. He was in love at first sight.

He was sitting on a couch and was drinking and dipping. And I was like, who is this kid? Because he's weird and he looks like he's literally in another orbit. And his friends that were also my friends were like, oh, yeah, he can come to this party. And I was like, no, he's not going. And wait. No, seriously, true life. Like, this is the first time that I've ever heard that I was being extended an invitation to this event and I was shot down.

Yeah. So his friends, because it was my sororities party and Will was already blackout like at the pregame. And I was like, no, he's not going. Like, we're not babysitting. Like, he's not going. So we leave him at his friend's apartment. Like, this isn't even Will's place. We leave him there.

Come back. Will's passed out on his friend's bed. And when we get back, his friend is, like, pulling him off the bed. And I think that, like, I semi had a crush on him because I remember telling his friend not to hurt him whenever he was pulling him off the bed. And that wouldn't be, like, something that I would normally say if I didn't like somebody. So. So then what happened after that? So.

He stalked me on Facebook. Well, no. Like. Yeah. That's what happened. I just remember, like, rising up at, like, 7 o'clock in the morning. and her and her friend were sleeping on the sofa and I was on the floor maybe and then yeah Facebook and then she shot me her number that's back when like Facebook like chat was first

a thing and Lindsay was like a pro and I was like I didn't know about that game yet will was still on instant messenger like AIM yeah she was like put it in text me Yeah, and so I told him, I was like, you can text me. Because at that point, I had become, like, his Facebook friend. And then I looked at his pictures. And I was like, oh, I guess he's like, all right. And then he texts me. And then, of course, I played the, like, who is this?

Like, I didn't know who it was. And then, yeah, that was pretty much it. So was this was your freshman year? Yeah, so I had a plan of going to college. And I was like, oh, yeah, I'm going to go to college. and not have a boyfriend for like four years. I'm just going to like have fun, join a sorority, be a student, whatever. And I met him in August or was it September?

September, I think. It was September. So, yeah, and then we dated from then forward. She used to always come up with like different excuses to stop by and like, hey, I'm dropping a friend off, you know, we'll come and see you or whatever. and her and her friends would stop and they'd come up and they'd leave like five seconds later. Yeah, it was like a game. It was a weird game.

Five seconds. Yeah, like a five second drop off. Like, hey, like now you see me, now you don't. Lindsay, what the hell kind of game is that? I don't know. But our first, like, actual, I wouldn't even say it was like a date, but he invited me over to watch Batman. Dark Night was just coming out. on DVD.

So, like, she came over, and my brother and I, we shared a place, and we had two recliners and a love seat. And she sat in the love seat by herself and I sat in the recliner. And you didn't go sit with her? No, I just, like, laid on the love seat, I think, so that there wasn't any space. Lindsay, what, I mean, what kind of crush did you have on this guy? Like, what is that? I don't know.

I've always been awkward, like emotionally. Yeah. I guess I'm the same way, so I can't really get on to you about it. I did notice, Will, you have, like, a much thicker accent than Lindsay does. Do I? Yeah. Yeah, like you're, you said, you say I instead of I. Okay.

Ah. I. Okay. Guys watch Batman, and that's... So how long of... How many of the five-second drop-offs did y'all do before you got to the Batman stage? There were a couple, there were a couple of late-night ones, too. Like, there was one time where she came over with a friend.

But let's clarify. Like, we never slept together, like... Yeah, this isn't like, you know, a hook-up type, you know, coming around and all that other stuff. I don't even think we'd even, like, kissed. No. It was just like this whole cat and mouse-type deal. So, Will, let me ask you this. Did you notice how weird Lindsay is and, like, her OCD habits?

Did you notice those right off the bat? Like, when you first met her? No. No. Okay. So, like, at what point did you realize that she's the weirdest human being ever? Oh, my God. Honestly, it wasn't until probably...

Like, were you already way too deep into the relationship when you noticed? Or, oh, wow. This is like married with kid. And like I didn't really. I've always been. So I guess like during your pregnancy, like it was one of those things where it was, oh, I can't do this. I can't do that. Like no deli meats, no Coke, no aspirin, you know, basically just like a vegan type lifestyle.

And. Yeah, I didn't really get like on this like more like as far as like. Eating good and having like clean foods in the house and like the organic kick and stuff. I really didn't start that until I got pregnant with Jackson. Which was when? You guys were in college. 2012. No.

Well, I had just finished my last, I had finished my last semester when I got pregnant, but we were already married. Got it. Okay. So then you got pregnant and you decided that you were going to do weird things. I guess. Yeah. But I've always been like super clean as far as like. Yeah.

I mean, I guess whenever she had her own place and I would go over there, it would always be like immaculate. And like I wouldn't allow to leave anything out and stuff. But I mean, I just assumed that was like a girl type thing. And then. No, because I have to say that I'm messy as all hell. So if someone walking to my house, they would probably think a man lives here. You are so messy and it's like, oh my God. I don't even know how you survive.

So then, Will, are you also super clean and organized and weird? Or do you just kind of embrace it and live with it? I want Lindsay answer that one and see if she gives the honest response. Okay. So I think that I've always had like OCD tendencies just to like clarify this. I've always had OCD tendencies just not as extreme before I had a child. Like, it was always just me that I had to take care of. So it probably wasn't something that I would have enforced as much on him because I didn't really care at the time.

But now that I have Jackson, then I want everything to be completely just like sterile, I guess, would be the right word. What would be the right word for it? Yeah, sterile, like germ-free. Like germ-free. And so I would say Will's a clean person, but Will's more of like a spot cleaner and not like an actual cleaner. He's like a surface cleaner, you know? All right. Right.

So I will clean every week like sweep floors, mop floors, stuff like that. That's not a problem. I don't do it every week. But if I was asked to, I would do that. Like when Lindsay asked me to clean though, it's like, okay, you need to get this bucket of water and you need to scrub baseboards. When have you ever scrubbed baseboards? I don't. I refuse because nobody comes into your house and that's the thing that they go over to and wipe their finger on.

But I know that it's there. Ooh, that's dirty. So do you clean the baseboards? Oh yeah. She cleans them. Yeah. She cleans baseboards. You don't clean your baseboards.

I guarantee you if you went and took a bucket and a. rag with water with the dogs that you have in your house, I guarantee you, you would be like, oh my God, I should have been cleaning these a long time ago. No, like, I'm telling you, if you do it one time, like every six months, it covers it. But you don't do it one time ever. I do it in the basement. Me or him. Him and probably you.

I actually haven't cleaned the baseboard since I moved into my house nearly three years ago. I'll send you a picture later. Yeah, I'm going to need to see this. Like, my baseballs look so clean. I just like everything to be super clean. And I get, I like to keep everything super clean all the time, but then I get on these, like, cleaning kicks where I will literally clean for like nine hours straight. And I haven't even, like, eat anything or, like, worried about anything like that.

Like, I'll just go from one thing to the next thing until it's, like, all, perfect. So do you guys have separate closets? Do you keep your closet? The weird thing is, his closet. Oh, no. So we have like a divider. So it's one closet, but there's kind of like a divider in the middle. Yeah, but the weird thing is, is his closet on his side is actually more organized. As far as like my clothes and stuff, I'm a little messy with my clothes. I would say I'm actually, I can't, I definitely can't picture that at all. It's absolute chaos. Yeah. Like my clothes are, that's one thing that I really... You can't get together?

No. No. So there's one more thing that I wanted to ask you, Will. I heard little birdie told me that you were not allowed to do anything with Jackson until he was around six months old. Is that true? And how do you feel about that? I mean, it's pretty much true, I guess. I mean, not like I wasn't allowed to like hold him or anything.

No, but like give him baths or like do like anything like that. Oh, yeah. Like I don't know that it wasn't that I wasn't allowed. Maybe that was the case. But like. I tried to be nice about it and sugarcoat it. I was, that's back in my days of working at Sprint. So like I wouldn't get home until like nine o'clock. at night 930 so I would assume that he'd already be bathed and everything by the time I got home anyway but yeah like it was one of those things right just kind of accepted it because like in all honestly like babies they're for like women like baby babies like because as a guy like you can't really do anything with a baby and you're not just going to sit around and be like oh look at how cute

this baby is all day yeah you do well like I thought it but like once he gets old enough to like like crawl and like play with toys and stuff like that like that's where i came in will just had never held like the first baby he ever held was jackson so he didn't know what to do with a baby like nothing i i'm with him i did not know what to do with a baby either but it just was like natural for me and i just was so protective i didn't want anything to happen to him like literally to the point and this goes back to like OCD, I wouldn't go to the grocery store until like nighttime or on a day that Will was off because I didn't want Jackson like exposed to germs. And even still like we went to Sam's on Sunday and they were out of the Clorox wipes and

she was like, oh, he can't get in the car today. Yeah. What? Okay. Okay. First of all, let me just make my first thought to that was I would not go to a grocery store because of the germs, I would not want to bring my kid to the grocery store because I don't want to bring my kid to the grocery store. Not because of the germs. Like, it's just like,

okay, let me have, not have little hands reaching out for everything or like the car seat in the cart to like take up all the room in the cart. So the germs really didn't have anything to do with it. So I guess I'm a shitty mom. Second, Jackson's like five, right? So I'm pretty sure his immune system is okay for him to touch the parts without it's not about him getting sick or whatever it's just about like other unclean people like if you if you look at like general public and just watch people you would be they're disgusting at what you see like seeing people picking their ass seeing like kids picking their bugger probably you definitely think that about me and my kids then if you didn't know us you would be like what the hell is this white trash ass family doing because

because, I mean, we're all just trying to live here. But you know what? We need people like you who will cloorax the handles on the shopping carts for sure. Yeah, I just, I don't like him to be dirty. I don't like dirty. Actually, a really weird habit of mine is... No, wait, don't say it. No, no, no.

I want to hear Will. Will, what do you think the weirdest habit Lindsay has? The weirdest habit that I have. With Jackson? No, just like just in general. I don't know. I mean, there's too many to name. There's a lot of stuff.

Like name them. What are they? The laundry thing. I don't know if she told you. I think she did. Y'all talked about doing laundry on one episode, right? Yeah, we did. Yeah.

Oh, yeah. So she will do it. But it's, she does not fold it. And she does. I do fold it. Okay, you fold some stuff. No, okay, this is the thing. Okay, so.

I fold the clothes. I fold all the clothes. clothes other than the t-shirts. And the only reason I don't fold the t-shirts is because I don't require them to be flip-folded. Will uses a device like we're in a department store to flip-fold. Yeah. It's the best thing ever. And it puts your t-shirts in like these perfect little squares. And we've been doing it that way for like years and years and years. And I refuse to... But she will never do that. I will never do it because I feel like if I'm the one doing the laundry and I'm the one folding it, I should be able to choose how I fold it.

And if I don't want to get a device out of like the corner of the closet to fold freaking shirts, then I shouldn't have to. I should be able to fold them. However, I decided to fold him because I'm doing the laundry. But that's not the way it is. I do fold all of the other clothes. I do wash the clothes, but I refuse to fold the T-shirts because that's the way he wants them. And I'm not folding them that way.

She's not big on that. The weirdest like germ thing, though, is like the shower after. school and it's like a persistent like he's got to come home and take a shower right away and it's not like even just after school it's like if he comes in from outside or if he goes with me to like the store and like as soon as we come in it's like oh you've got to take a shower you've got to take a shower and it's like we're not out there like hugging up on people or rolling on the floor but you probably are like knowing you you probably are and that's a thing. But like change. Changing his clothes and washing his hands wouldn't be sufficient to you?

Well, I mean, what, like, probably flew in his hair? Like, if somebody, like, sneezed or something, you know? Lindsay, did anyone make you do that as a kid? I mean, like, where does it come from? I have, I don't know. It's totally random. And, like, weird. Neither of my parents are that way.

Uh-uh. And both of them said, I don't know where it comes from. because she is honestly, she's been this way since he was born. And it's like it just came out of nowhere. And I don't foresee myself ever changing back. Like, and I'm dead set in my way. Like, okay, well, we're going to take you to a hypnotist. Yeah.

Yeah, maybe we should do that. Because I don't think that that's regular. That's not, he's got to have some type of germs in order to build up an immune system. He gets them, Kail. When you go to preschool, you definitely get this. them. But they're not on it long enough to sit in. I have to say, just go ahead. And then like you see what your clothes look like when you come home and you're like,

oh God, that looks like a booger that's sitting on there. Like, oh my God, that looks like 12 plates of food dropped on your shirt. And he's got like crumbs all over his face. And I'm like, oh, my God, I cannot wait to get my child home and just like get him clean. and that way I don't have to look it like dirty. Well, here's the thing. Yesterday, after Lincoln got dressed, well, my son is four, my middle son.

He, I helped him brush his teeth, and then he got the kids blue toothbrush, toothpaste all over his shirt. And I said, well, we're going to school. I don't care. You got it on your shirt. And we're going to call it a day. However, I don't like the booger face and, like, the earwax, that cannot happen. So I always make sure that like nose and ears are clean.

However, if there's toothpaste on your shirt, I'm probably sending you to school like that anyway. Yeah. You know what? That's on you at that point, buddy. See, and that's just not, I get like the logic behind it, but it's just not something. Like, I would sit and say, like, agree with you because it sounds like very normal, but it wouldn't be something that I would do. Like if Jackson spilled something on his shirt that was noticeable, I would definitely change him. Even if I was five minutes late to school, I would definitely change him. Even if it was like his own fault.

But Will says I baby him way too much. Oh, yeah. Like it's a very bad, like baby type situation. What did he say today? Back to the original question. I would say my weirdest quirk is Will coming home from work. I hate for him to come home to work and like sit on like our furniture like with his dirty work clothes. Oh yeah.

That's something that just drives me crazy too. What do you do? What do you do for work? I'm in sales. I'm in an office job and I'm in like I started a new job. It's like a petri dish. And I'm in a brand new office. Like I think it opened in November.

So nobody has ever sat in my chair before. Nobody's ever sat at my desk before. It is the cleanest place ever. But as soon as I get home, it's like I've just wallowed in some sort of mud pit all day. And I just got to take those clothes off and throw them in the trash because they're covered with germs. I don't make you throw your clothes in the trash. Like you're being excessive. She boils them on the stove.

No. No. I think what it sounds like to me is that y'all should just live in, be married for sure, because I like y'all together. But maybe just like live in separate houses because at this point, Lindsay, I don't, like, Will, I don't know how you put up with her. I would not change my clothes. I would say, have a nice day, you know, if you want to, like, spray your waisal. You just, you just bite your tongue and you just do what she says. Right.

Well, you know what? A happy wife is a happy life. So, yeah, I can agree with that. Is your life bad? And do you live cleaner than any person that you know? It's a yes or no question. I'm asking Will this question. Is it a yes or no question?

Yeah. He's sort of honest. That was hesitant. He suddenly has to poop and so he has to run out. Yeah. No. Okay. And then this is the other thing.

He hates my rule about pooping. Like you have a rule about pooping? What is the rule? What is this rule? Okay. So you know how clean. Like, you know how clean she is, right? Yes.

So, like, her favorite thing to do is to clean the three toilets in the house. That's not my favorite thing to do. I hate cleaning toilets. No, like, she does it all the time. And what she does is she sits there and she takes, like, this, what is it, Fabulosa? Yeah. Okay. So she'll take, like, Fabulosa and pour, like, this purple water in the bowl.

And, like, so that way she can guess, I guess, like, test to see if anybody's, used it because the purple's gone. No. But anyway, she cleans the toilets like once every three or four days and is like upset if I use the bathroom in any of them. No, no, no, no. I say it's rude to use like go number two on your main floor bathroom. If you have somebody that like needs to come in and use your bathroom, then you obviously don't want like somebody that's been pooping in there. And especially if Will is somebody who sharts, then you definitely don't want somebody shitting like him. in your main floor bathroom.

So I'm just like, if you need to do that, then just go upstairs. It's not that big of a deal, but not in your powder room. And I get that. I have to agree with that. Like if the crew that we film with has to poop, like do not poop on my main floor because if I go in there and then come out and they think it's me, I'm going to be pissed. Yeah. I don't want you thinking that I just stunk up the whole bathroom because it wasn't me.

Now, I get that. Now, the reason that I do go to the bathroom on the main floor is like more of a chivalrous type thing. She is in the bedroom and the bathroom that she would prefer me to use is the master bath. If your shit smells that bad. Am I going to sit there and just go and like have a blowout and then like let it waft back into the bedroom and then be like, hey, what's up? Will, do you know how much space is between the bed and the toilet? Not enough. Not enough.

If you smell that bad, then you need to get an enema. And then anytime Lindsay uses the bathroom, like... I close like every door. She closes every door. And like if you open one of like the three doors that she has leading into the bathroom, what are you doing? Get out of here. Like I'm a Shad Hooper.

It's so funny because Jackson will sit there and it's always like, like right around his bedtime. And he just goes like bananas and starts running around opening doors. And he'll come in there and bust in that door. Get out of here, Jackson. I'm going to the bathroom. I can't even, I can't even poop in peace.

Like, I swear. They're obsessed with me. I'm like a shy pooper. Like, even in a hotel room, like if I'm traveling with like my friends or something and I know that I have to share a bathroom, I will go in the lobby because I do not want people to know.

know when I'm pooping. Kill, that's probably been so problematic when you come to Atlanta since the hotel you stay at spent under construction. And there is no lobby bathroom. Yeah, I was like almost shitting my pants because I was like, what do I do? I don't want these people. Like, you know, my friend Danielle lives there and she would come to see me and stuff. Like, I don't want them to know. Yeah. Oh my God. No. No. I just, I don't do. And I guess like also another weird thing that I do is my OCD about my refrigerator. Oh my God. You're one of those, Lindsay.

Yeah. And it's weird too because it looks like MTV Cribs and like there's like seven things in there. Like it's yogurt and milk. And eggs and eggs and cheese and no, there's like stuff in there. I'm talking about like the stuff that you line up like this like stuff that's consumed like daily. Yeah, because I don't want it all disorganize.

Like if you get three half gallons of milk, they should be like in a line. So whenever you get rid of one of them, the other one comes to the front. That one goes in the trash can. It's not a grocery store. It's like we have those springloaded things, though, that like once you take one, it just pushes the next one to the front. Whatever, it will. But yeah, no, I like it to just be like a certain type of way and it's functional.

Do you feel like you could revert back now? after being together, do you think that you could revert back and just be like a crazy person with no because literally Kale whenever I met Will I went and bought him brand new bed sheets because his sheets literally looked like he had never washed them.

When I first met, when I first met Javi, he had not washed his sheet, taking his sheets off his bed and washed them in 18 years. Yeah. See, that's something, I guess, that kind of just goes right over the head of, like, an adolescent male. Like, that would never cross my mind to, like, wash bed sheets. And I don't know why.

Because I know that my mom washed our sheets whenever we were growing up. But, like, as soon as we got out on our own, like, that's something that I never thought about doing. Like, there was stains on his sheets of, like, where his body had been sleeping. That is the truth. That is the truth. That is the truth. They were navy blue sheets. No, there weren't navy blue sheets.

The sheets that you had, I bought those navy blue sheets. Oh, yeah. No, no, no. These were, like, plaid, like white plaid sheets. So maybe they were, like, body stains. There were body stains on his sheets. But then again, like, that's also, like, I was playing baseball. Like, I would come home and I don't, I'm sure that I probably, like, didn't even shower.

I just got into bed and went to sleep. Yeah, he probably didn't. And also, he says that he didn't know that I was OCD. That's funny because when I first got with him, I bought him. new sheets, like, cleaned, thoroughly cleaned his bathroom, cleaned out his drawers, like. So it's safe to say that Lindsay improved your life for the better. Yeah, I mean, it's definitely created. It taught you good, good hygiene.

Yeah, better hygiene. He needed it. No. He needed it. And then, I mean, it's definitely a cleaner world for sure. But listen, we were not messy. Like everything was put in its place and it was like surface clean. So like you'd come in and you'd be like, hey, it's not dirty.

But then you look really close and you're like, hey. Then you're like, hey. Then you're like, hey, this is so nasty. They were the type of people that had a microwave that was like an installed microwave that it stopped working. So instead of like calling a repair person to get it fixed, then they just went and bought a microwave and put it on their counter. Yeah.

Oh, good. Yeah, we still had to build them, but then we had the little countertop one as well. Yeah, so, yeah, that just doesn't fly with me. Yeah, I remember when that microwave got broke. Yeah, that kind of stuff just doesn't fly. And I'm very, like, finicky about all of my stuff being, like, perfect and, like, not looking, like, super used. I'm weird about that with my car. I'm weird about that with my refrigerator, with everything.

So, yeah, I don't think I'm very. ever going to change. I'm 28 and it's just not going to change. So. Well, I look forward to hearing more of these stories with Will in the future. And I think we should have him, I want to meet him in person. So Will, I hope that next time I come to Atlanta, we can set up a podcast and we can do a whole photo shoot with you. And that would be fun. I don't photograph well. I know. Oh my gosh. You guys are trips. So can you please tell us, can you tell us about your overall experience with coffee combos? Would you?

Yes, do that. Tell us. Oh, my experience, I think it's been good. Like, whenever I started listening to it and I heard that hobby was on, like, I told Lindsay said, listen, you got to get me on. And I'm going to spice this thing up. And I don't think I did, but, you know, I give it my... I think people are going to be happy to hear from you, for sure. I gave it my best shot.

But no, I enjoy listening to it. I appreciate y'all having me, and I feel like it's been a good time. Will came home and knew about seven or eight episodes worth of information one day, so I know he's been binging coffee combos on his spare time. So that's a positive. Thanks, Will? Yeah. Like, listen, I'm hitting that viewership up. Don't worry. Thank you. I appreciate the support. And I'm going to start getting it on different platforms too. Like Spotify is my jam right now. But I'll figure out some other ones.

Okay. Well, we appreciate you taking your evening away from March Madness to talk with us. And for everybody that's listening, make sure that you give us a five-star review on iTunes. You can find us on iTunes, Spotify. What other places? Stitcher at. What else, Kail? Yeah, no, that's, I think iTunes, Spotify and Stitcher app.

I think that's everything. And every Thursday is an episode. So thank you so much, Will. I appreciate you. And I look forward to the next episode with you. Absolutely. Thank you all. Bye.

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