33: Kail's Trip to Europe, Kate Spade, & Poor Life Choices
00:00Hey guys, welcome to Coffee Combos. I am back from Europe and excited to catch up withLindsay. How are you?I'm good. I have just been kind of busy doing nothing, which has been nice. I had plannedto take a social hiatus and kind of did it in a sense, but not fully. But I've prettymuch been mentally checked out for like a week. So, oh good. It's been nice going tothe pool a lot, playing outside a lot, working out a lot, and just cooking a lot.Good. I saw when you sent me the, you had made the Hello Fresh. I was so excited foryou because that's our favorite meal. How did it come out?
00:55It came out good the second time. It came out better than the first time that I madeit. And I think it was just because I did something weird with the cauliflower the firsttime. I don't know if I like, did it make it small enough or something, but I made itlike a lot smaller pieces the second time I made it. And it was so good. We'll have toget you guys the recipe for it because it really is like an all-around favorite in myhouse.And same for mine. So, can I just tell you about my trip to Europe?Yes. I want to know everything.
01:36I ended up going by myself because I earned the trip through Sensi, which is a directsales company that I work for. And, you know, I didn't want to, I didn't want to pass upall the opportunity. And so I went and I have to say it was very lonely. I did strugglea little bit. However, on day three, I think, so I was there, I was in Europe from the firstto the 10th while the kids were with their dads. And I think it was day three. I mettwo girls that were so sweet. One of them is a nanny in Saudi Arabia and the other one,they're both from Maine. They were friends. And then the other girl, she also sells Sensiand she's from Maine. So they kind of like took me under their wing for a couple days
02:18and like, I got to hang out with them and like not be alone. And they took really coolpictures of me. We just had a really good time. So I was so happy that I met them. Wegot to see, I went to Spain to Mallorca. I explored all of Mallorca by myself. The taxidriver kind of just like took me around. And he didn't, he did try to get good picturesof me. He tried really hard, but I don't know. I got to see like where the matadors usedto do like the bull thing, which I'm so glad they ended. Do you know what I'm talking about?What is it called? It's like a matador. I don't know. I want to say it's like bullfighting,but the bulls don't fight. It's like they wear red and they like antagonize the bull
02:59and then they basically kill the bull. It's super cruel. Oh my gosh, that's terrible.Yeah, it's so cruel. But they ended it, but I did still go look at like where they usedto have those, um, which was, I mean, it was cool to like see it. And I, I know it's likeSpanish culture. It was, you know, a tradition that they did. So I was still, it was stillcool to go look at. Um, then I went to Rome, Florence, Pisa. I saw the Leaning Tower ofPisa, which was super cool. And I like took the, the cliche picture of me trying to holdit up. So that was kind of like pushing it back up. Um, and I ate pizza walking downthe streets of Rome and I basically was Italian, you know, like I'm Italian now.
03:43Well, I am so glad that you are so cultured, but I have to tell you, I don't think I canmake it in Europe. I really don't. Like I think I would die of being homesick. Really?Yeah. No, like when I went to New York, this is no lie. I was homesick when I woke up.Like the first day I was there, I was homesick. Like I homesick or you get like, like anxietybecause you're not home to like do your routines or both. I think it's like a combination ofboth. Like I'm actually physically sick and like want to be at my house. And once I gethome and I know that's what it is because once I get home, I'm fine. But a lot of ittoo is like the anxiety of the change, I think, and not being like in my kitchen whenever
04:39I wake up and not being in my bed and not being able to take a shower in my shower.It's just all the combinations of the above and then go into a place that has like differentoutlets and like different kind of food and me not being able to understand. I mean, Idon't know. I just, I don't think I could survive. I really don't.I, you know what? I was actually really surprised and pleasantly surprised. Really? I mean,I think I didn't really struggle, struggle with the language barrier just because whenI was in Spain, you know, I know enough Spanish to get by. And then they also know so muchEnglish and then same in Italy and France. Like I didn't really have, I think France
05:21was the hardest country that I was in that was with the language barrier. But I wasstill enough. They spoke enough English where I didn't have to struggle really.And I just knew the food was good. I'm just not really like a backpack explorer typegirl. You know what I mean? Like, yeah, yeah, you like like the islands and pampering andstuff. I feel like, yeah, like I'm looking into Aruba and the Bahamas right now.Well I went to the Bahamas. That was a good time.I love the Bahamas. Yeah. Okay. Now let's take a break and talk to you guys about oneof my personal favorite partners, Scentbird. I hate being married to one sent forever and
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08:31all the weird things. And so like, fuck yeah, I was in Europe for the first time, I hadto try some of this stuff. So I didn't even know I was eating chicken liver. Like shetold, Andy told me that it was chicken, so she didn't lie. And she's like, here, I'llspread it on a piece of bread for you. And I was like, a little grossed out because itdid look like cat food, but she said it was chicken. So I was like, okay, this is kindof like, sometimes babies eat pureed meat. So like, maybe I'll try it. And so I did.And after I swallowed it, she was like, was it good? And I was like, yeah, it wasn't bad.She's like, well, that's chicken liver. So in my defense, it's not like I went into it
09:02knowing it was chicken liver. Will I ever eat it again? Definitely not.So wait, it's like how we have a liver, it's like the chicken one.Yes, it's a chicken's liver.No, no. If I even thought that I had to eat something like that, I would, I really wouldfear honestly, if I had to go to Europe, that I would starve to death.No, they have pizza and pasta and they have all the things like I did try like homemadepasta, which was so good. But they put caviar on things. And you would think like caviarso fish eggs, you wouldn't think for them to be crunchy, right? But I tried caviar and
09:48it's literally like pop rocks in your mouth. It's absolutely disgusting and disturbing.Well, again, not interested in caviar, not interested in any.I picture you as like a super fancy food eater and I feel like you would eat as cargo andcaviar.No, I mean, and actually you're not the first person that's told me that. But I amprobably like the most bland person when it comes to eating, like I have a very blandtaste palette. I don't like a lot of seafood, like there are certain fish that I'll eat,but I don't really like a lot of seafood. I don't like a lot of like foreign food. I
10:32like American food and so have you tried an oyster before?Have I tried what?An oyster.An oyster? Yes, it's like snot.I tried one. It's like a lugi.Yeah, it's like snot going down your throat and it's literally disgusting.Horrible. So I tried that and lobster. Lobster was gross to me also and I tried beef, carpaccio,beef carpaccio, which is basically like uncooked slices of meat and that was equally disgusting
11:06to me, but I tried it. And so that was the main thing here is like, I'm going to tryanything once, you know?Well, if this puts anything into perspective, when Jackson and I went to Hawaii, we werefilming Christina's Best at the time, and we're staying at the Four Seasons, SuperNice Hotel in Maui, and I got afraid, like I knew we were still going to be in the U.S.,but I got afraid about the food. I'm just like really weird about that.So I went to the grocery store and bought like almost a whole suitcase worth of likeEasy Mac and like snacks and then was like researching. I wonder if they'll have a microwave
11:50and like we're still in the U.S., but I didn't know, okay, they can have a microwave whereI can cook this. Like, are we going to starve?They're not uncivilized, Lindsay.I didn't know and I was like, oh my God, this is just going to be terrible. Like, I don'tknow. I just get so much anxiety and I just, I don't know. I just like normalcy, I guess.So did you have to finish, did you finish eating all the mac and cheese at Easy Macor did you eat some food from Hawaii?No, we actually did. I ate one meal in Hawaii outside of what I brought, one meal.
12:24Oh my God, you're insane. I loved the food in Hawaii. I tried all their things theretoo. They have like a cool macaroni salad that I loved. That's like traditional outthere and it's just so good.You're just like so much more fun than me and like an adventurer and like you'll go outon a limb and do stuff and that's just not me. Like I'm kind of boring and just settingmy ways. I'm kind of like an old lady in a sense.Me too, but just in different ways.All right, y'all. I know that we have talked about Brooklyn and before, but it's time to
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15:09I was there, I was actually in an elevator and I don't know why I remember this, butshe texted me, um, that Kate Spade had committed suicide and I was like, well, this is fuckingdepressing. And how crazy? Well, yeah, that was literally so crazy. It was, I mean, Iget shocked by the news every day whenever I read stuff. And you know, I read all thetime and I'm constantly like up to date with what's going on in the world, like whetherit be political, we don't really talk about that on here because it's not really somethingthat I want to get into. But like entertainment news and health news and everything, likeI'm pretty up to date with what's going on. And that was one thing that came across the
16:00news that I was absolutely shocked by same. I didn't even have words. I didn't know whatto say. I just, I, we have been talking about suicide for like three straight weeks on thispodcast. Like I, what I don't even know what we can do to like help or to like spread awarenessor like maybe we put the hotline number in our description. I just, this is so sad.So for those of you who are listening, who have not caught the news, I'm sure you haveheard bits and pieces and there's been multiple different false reports going around. There'sbeen multiple different stories in regards to Kate Spade's suicide. But according toCBS this morning, Kate Spade's sister told them that she had struggled with mental illness
16:56and bipolar disorder and that just happened to end tragically. I am under the impressionthat she did not have a relationship with this sister and that has been across likeall articles that I have read that this sister was in a sense kind of estranged. I thinkshe had one sibling that she had a kind of decent relationship with that they talkedmore regularly than the other siblings. But according to this sister, she had businessproblems as well as marriage problems. And for those of you who don't know any of thebackground information of this story, her housekeeper found her in her home where shehad hung herself in her bedroom from a doorknob with a red scarf. So her husband was at home
17:57at the time and she left a note that was addressed to her daughter that said, it is not yourfault. And some of the reports that I read, the note was skewed, but this report saidthat it said it is not your fault. She sold her company in 2007 and took off nine yearsand dedicated her life to raising her daughter and she had since launched a new company withher husband and tons of CNN, CBS, ABC all across the board said that actually the suicideprevention hotline had increased calls by 25% since this tragedy and just that in generalher death had brought a lot of attention to mental health and awareness. So if we cantake anything out of this, she, you know, with it being such a tragedy, she has brought
19:12a ton of awareness to suicide. And, you know, if you know anyone who is struggling or ifyou yourself need help, you can go to the National Suicide Prevention Hotline and thatis 1-800-273-TALK. Again, it's 1-800-273-TALK. We'll make sure that we put it in our descriptionand there's ways that you can get help and across the board her friends and people thatkind of knew her said that it was very shocking that she was very lively, that she was likefull of color and full of life and they were very surprised. So you don't really know whatsomebody is struggling with and if you just get any type of inkling that somebody is strugglingwith something, it's not going to hurt you just to reach out and ask them how they're
20:19doing because you might save somebody's life.Yeah, I was just going to say just to piggyback off of that is like you might not be ableto get somebody to come forward on their own but just reaching out to people, you know,maybe something doesn't seem right or maybe someone just crosses your mind like reachingout to them, you know, reaching out to people that, you know, you're thinking of regularlyyou should just definitely do that because I think a lot of people that are going throughthis, they don't really know how to reach out and they sometimes I feel like they don'teven realize what they're kind of thinking or feeling. So having someone reach out to
20:57them is probably best. I know I've struggled with, I don't know, just going through thingsand not really having the right words to ask for help or ask, you know, ask my friendsto like talk through certain things. So I think just having someone else reach out andjust being there for the people you love will help tremendously but, you know, I'm gladthat we're able to have this platform and talk about stuff like that so that we canalso encourage the suicide hotline or whatever, however, you know, we can't help.Well, and even if you, you know, have any type of depression or you're just havinga bad day or if you have anxiety or whatever it may be, find somebody that you can talk
21:38to to just have that outlet so that things don't get to a level that you feel like youcan't emotionally handle life anymore. And it's just so sad to hear some of the thingsthat, you know, just like in her specific case, and I'm sure with lots of others whohave, you know, gone to this length of, you know, tragedy, her dad was saying that shewas in the middle of planning a trip, you know?Yeah, that's hard. Okay, so number one, you might hear my dogs walking around in the backgroundwhile we record this. So that's the perfect time to talk to you guys about something that'sreally important to me. You guys know I love my dogs and I'm loving the whistle device.
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24:45been through it, but it definitely opens your eyes to a lot of things. And I just, you know,just to be there for people. And I guess I just, I don't even really know how you canhelp somebody if you don't, you know, if they're saying like she's lively and she'splanning a trip and she's doing all this, like, I guess we should do our research andtry to figure out like where, what do we need to look for? You know what I mean? BecauseI don't know that if there's no red flags really, then how do you really know how tohelp somebody? And I guess that's what I'm, you know, but what's kind of crazy?Apparently in her situation, her husband said that she suffered from depression and anxiety
25:28and that she had been seeing a doctor regularly and was taking medication to combat the conditions.And you know, contrary to the other reports and the things that the sister that is notinvolved, apparently those reports were untrue that she didn't have substance issues or businessproblems. So I feel like it's one of those things that I don't know. I like have a bunchof feelings on it. Like it's kind of weird that they're, because she was a public figure,like the alleged reports and this person saying this person and this, you know, this personsaying one thing, this person saying another, like, doesn't really help. Because at theend of the day, regardless of what was causing it or what she was going through, like, it
26:26does get better. And regardless of what she was going through, I think, you know, it'swhether she had a doctor or not, I guess it still happens. So I guess that's the hardestpart to come to terms with.Well, and just to like touch briefly on the fact of being, you know, a public figure,I think it's so sad that, you know, the situation is what it is. And unfortunately, as publicfigures, anything that is said or done, you're kind of used as an example. And they kindof shine light on things the media does shine light on things that are, you know, not yourbest days. And that's just the way that the media works. I disagree with some of the information
27:22that has come out about her story as far as like how she was found. The, you know, factthat it was with a red scarf and the note to her 13 year old daughter. And all this personalinformation that I just feel shouldn't have been divulged out there, right. But it's themedia and unfortunately, that's what they do. That's how they, that's how they operate.And they're going to continue to do it. And I just, I disagree with those types of information.Like if you want to report that, you know, she committed suicide or whatever, then fine,but kind of leave it at that. I feel like it's more so personal, like family thingsthat shouldn't be divulged for us to even know. Yeah, I agree. I definitely agree with
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30:58it and then all of a sudden we keep finding more and more articles that keep coming upand I mean, the recent news stories, I know that you know about it. But the forensic psychiatristwho consulted on her case and also consulted on many other high profile cases was killedoutside his office, he was found shot dead outside of his Phoenix office. So somethingis weird about that. So now they're possibly going to exhume her body and now he's founddead. And also someone had tweeted me saying that the dad can't get tried for double jeopardybecause they never they never he never like he I guess he got questioned but he was nevertried and convicted so they can't they can actually charge him if they find him to be
31:58involved in the case somehow involved with her murder.Well so I definitely thought wow, some things going on with this there's it like it's justnot adding up like there's too much like irony in this right like right. Yeah, I was likeoh wow, Cal and I are really going to crack the case. But then as I started doing my research,there were actually six homicides in the Scottsdale area of Arizona and they appeared to be linkedto the murder suspects divorce. So apparently they I say they the police feel like theyhave found the motive and the murder spree that killed the forensic psychiatrist andhe just happened to have that link to John Benet. But as we all know, the media tries
33:03to find links and loopholes and stuff to try to get people to have conversations like we'rehaving now and to cause doubt and stuff like that. But for those of you who haven't readanything about it, I'm just going to give you a little bit of an update. The suspectthat killed this forensic psychiatrist actually fatally shot himself on Monday in an areahotel as law enforcement kind of started getting closer to his location. He took his own lifeand the police believe that he was motivated just like from feeling hostile towards hiswife that he divorced eight years ago. Allegedly, he targeted individuals that played rolesin the breakup of his marriage and the four day killing spree. So the ex wife reportedly
34:12received $100,000 payment alimony totaling $6,000 per month for five years and a Mercedesin the divorce and the police say he predominantly lived in hotels after his marriage dissolvedand three of the victims of this killing spree played pivotal roles in the divorce accordingto authorities and that included the psychologist who testified in court and two paralegalsfrom the firm representing his ex-wife in the case. So the fourth victim was a marriagecounselor and yeah. So basically it has nothing to do with the Jean Bonet case or his rolein that. No, I think that like I said before, initially I thought, wow, like they're tryingto exhume the body. Somebody's getting nervous. They're going to have this man killed because
35:15he knows information and he's still living. This psychiatrist is like a 56 year old man,something like that. And I really thought that there was like a link there. But I thinkas we all know, as you know, being a TV personality, I know that the media tries to link whateverthey possibly can to get a headline. Oh my gosh. And you know what, Lindsay, if thatis not the one thing that you've said this entire week that has touched my life, I thinkthat's it. Literally exactly what I'm going through. So I completely, we both get it beingin the public eye, like they really will. Yeah. So even I thought it, I was like, they'reexhuming the body. So someone killed him to cover something else up. Yeah. I think you're
36:08right. It has nothing to do with the Jean Bonet case at all. And I think just the mediadoing what they do best, they are going to tag that name, Jean Bonet Ramsey and thesearticles because at one time he testified in court and was the forensic psychologistfor our psychiatrist, whatever he is, I don't know the difference, you know, in them, butpsychiatrists can prescribe medicine and psychologists cannot. Okay, good to know. I don't know whatrole he really played in the Jean Bonet case, but I just know that that was the link andthey found that one link. And then weeks before there was the news about Jean Bonet's bodybeing exhumed and then they tied those two things together because they knew it would
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40:18Most of the time, I'm the one sending the weird stuff, but Kale actually saw this weirdthing first and it's such a strange story and it's like so bizarre, but evidently, accordingto CNN, an FBI agent did a backflip at a club and he was just working on his dance movesin Denver on Saturday. Before he was like launching into a backhand spring, he was justdancing and in mid flip, his weapon flew out from his waistband holster and the agentlunged for his gun when he saw it, you know, come out, but accidentally he fired it andlike that's just what happened. He accidentally fired when he went to pick it up and yeah.So one person was he on duty?
41:20He was not on duty. One person was struck in the lower leg but was expected to surviveand authorities at the time when the article came out when you saw it had not identifiedthe agent and he was not arrested and he at the time they were saying he may face criminalcharges, but now since you've been gone to Europe and whatever, I've investigated a littlebit more and the FBI agent has been charged with assault, second degree assault charges.So I don't know exactly why an off duty FBI agent would have been at a bar carrying arounda gun and a holster in his pants anyway and then randomly like doing backflips and thenhis gunfire, I think it honestly was like a freak accident, but but also just like negligent
42:21and super careless, correct? Like if you're an FBI agent, you should be trained enoughto know that you should not one be doing backflips in a bar. Like I understand you're having funand letting loose, but like at his age, you're going at home or he should not be doing backflipsin a bar and yes, like leave your gun at home. If you were off duty, he had no businesshaving his gun in a bar drinking, carrying on and obviously he was feeling good to bedoing backflips. He had to have been like like tons of drinks deep.Yeah, I mean, just very careless. So I'm not one to speak on carelessness because I'vemade a lot of careless choices in the past year and everything is coming full circle
43:10to me. So I'm just like, I'm trying not to judge right now.Well, do you want to talk about things coming full circle for you, Kale?I've just been stressed out, Lindsay. I'm super stressed out. I actually, you know,I was hiking up Mount Versa, Versa is it Versa is pursuit Vesuvius. I was hiking upMount Vesuvius, which is a volcano that destroyed Pompeii in Italy and I was just trying toreflect on my life and I just really the last like year I just didn't give a fuck aboutanything and I made really dumb choices and I feel like they're all biting me in the assright now and I get to do it publicly and deal with it publicly and I'm just like struggling
43:54a little bit. So I'm I really just can't judge but also that was really stupid of him, youknow, I'm just I'm going through it right now and I'm I'm going to get through it.But you know, I feel like you just make decisions like you don't go through like a long decisionmaking process. Like I feel like you and I are so different in that aspect. Like I literallyact like everything is a science project or like I'm writing like a thesis or somethinglike I go through every before I commit or do anything I go through every possibilityof what could like happen before I say, Oh yeah, I'll do that.Yeah, and I think over the past, I would, you know, a little less than a year, I don't
44:47think that I was making good choices or like really thinking things through like, okay,I do live my life in the public eye and I need to be wary. Okay, if I do this or I filmthis or I say this, how will it affect me in my future, even as little as six monthsfrom now? And I don't think that I did that. And I think that I made a lot of choices thatI regret and I've been feeling super regretful just because they just like weren't me andthey weren't good. I just didn't care. Like I was like, I didn't, I didn't realize howit would affect me in the future. And now I'm like, okay, everything's coming full circle.I'm reliving all these things that I did. And I'm like, what the hell was I thinking?
45:30So now I'm going to be more careful and I'm going to make conscious decisions to thinkthings through, understand how they're going to affect me, understand how the media isgoing to portray me. And it's unfortunate that I have to live like that, but I thinkthat you can help me do that. Like, hey, Lindsay, I might say this on the podcast and then maybeafterwards you're like, okay, Kale, maybe we should edit that part out because you probablyshouldn't say that. You know what I mean? Or like, hey, Lindsay, I'm going to film aboutthis and you're like, wait, Kale, that's not really smart. Like I feel like I need to likeI need to use your friendship and help to guidance, because I just have not been making
46:11good decisions. And I, you know, everyone in my, and everyone in my life now is goingto sign an NDA because you're not about to sell me out. And I just don't want to be botheredwith new people coming into my life. Like I just feel like I just need to kind of takea break from people. Like if you're not already in my life, don't try to be in my life.Well, and I think, you know, a lot of people get excited about, you know, making new friendsand whatever. I've just never really been that girl. I don't really even care if Ihave any friends or like if I don't, or if somebody doesn't want to be my friend, likeI don't really care. I have everything I need in my household that makes me happy. So that's
46:52where, you know, my happiness is, I don't find my happiness in other people. Like of courseI love having like my friend relationships and think that they're super great. And,but don't let them get too close. And I think that's my problem is like, I'm letting people,I like give people the benefit of the doubt and I go against all of my better judgment.I'm like, yeah, they might do something, but I don't actually think they'll come, they'llfollow through with it. But you had said something, and I want to say it was on the podcast, butprobably off the podcast, you said like, you don't even really let your friends get closeto Jackson. And I never understood that because I was like, well, I don't have family. So
47:28my friends are my family. But just like relationships, like you don't want to introduce a relationshipto your children too soon. I have regrets about letting certain friends into my kidslife because my kids love a lot of my friends. And then we have a fallout and then, you know,they're asking where my, my friends are even going. So it's not just relationships. AndI think that I've made, you know, I do have my solid group of friends that have been bymy side for, since I basically moved to Delaware, but there are some people who have kind ofbeen in and out. And I think that I'm going to do the same. Like, no, you're not goingto come to my house every night. No, I'm not going to introduce you every, you know, to
48:03my kids every time I make a new friend. Like there's no reason for that. And I just movingforward, I want to make better choices and decisions. And I want to, I just feel likeI need to go with my gut instinct because I've been going against it a lot.Well, and I think too, like when you become an adult and also when you become a parent,like your dynamic changes, you know, with your friends or it should. And, you know, Idon't require that daily interaction with friends. You know, I have, I have girlfriendsand we hang out and occasionally go to dinner or whatever, but I kind of make special timefor that in my life and there's a time and a place for it. And then other than that,
48:52I focus on Jackson and I focus on, you know, working out and focus on like what kind ofmeals we're eating and school and work. And I focus on all of those things on a dailybasis and, you know, try to be the best person that I can be like, I try to like really focuson myself and like where I can be a better person and, you know, how can I get to churchmore and how can I, you know, make more time for my Bible and like stuff like that. I focuson those things and that's where I put my energy and my effort and everything else kindof falls into place. And I will say I've lost some friends along the way because of that,but that's okay. Like I'm fine with it because those friends, if they can't, you know, respect
49:45my priorities, then they don't need to be there anyway.I just, I think that I look at us at like your situation or like even Chelsea, likeI pretty much anyone that I'm on the show with and even you or like my friends fromother shows and they just don't have people, whether they're getting into fights with theirfriends or fall out or lose touch or whatever, they break up. Like I look at everybody else'ssituation and I'm like they don't, their people don't sell them out or try to sell them outor try to get them back in that way. And I feel like some of the people that I've beenaround have done that to me and I think I just need to like reevaluate that and like
50:26the people I have in my life. So I just want to be more careful with the things that Ido and, you know, I do have, you know, custody with the boys, dads and stuff. So why notonly do like friend stuff when they're with their dads or, you know, have like, you know,if they're going to be certain people, you know, I do want to run my kids, there's certaintimes for them to come over and be around the kids. So I just need to be more consciousand just do, do better.Well, and I don't know how you have that many people in your house, like in and out constantly,that would drive me absolutely.
50:58It's actually been a while since I've had people in and out. Like it's just becauseI usually the two boys are with their dads when they come and then it's just the baby,but then I'm like, up late and I regret it in the morning. But yeah, I just don't have,it's like, it kind of like is it in periods and stuff. So but it's been at least a monthsince I've had anyone really over except for, you know, Chris comes to help with the babyand stuff like that. And yeah, I just, and I feel better, like I like it better whenI kind of just have like my peace and quiet or the chaos with the kids.Speaking of peace and quiet, I guess your dog decided to be quiet. Maybe it decided
51:41that it was going to sleep. And your kids like, were they excited to see you wheneveryou got home?Oh my God, they were so excited, Lindsay. So Lincoln ran up to me was so excited andIsaac too. So I got them a couple things while I was in Europe and one of them. So Isaacand I share like a love of like science. And so when I hiked up Mount Vesuvius, I gothim at one of the shops, obviously, I didn't pick up a rock off the ground because that'snot allowed.Like a little souvenir of the lava and when it like broke open, it had like crystals inside
52:20of it. And so I was telling Isaac about it and showing him the pictures and he thoughtit was the coolest thing. And he put the little rock on his nightstand and he was like, thisis so awesome. He thought it was so cool. I got them shirts from the countries. Theywere just super excited. So, and now they're wondering where we're going next and I'm kindof all traveled out for a minute. So I think we're going to, you know, we, I took themto Jamaica already. So I think we're going to just lay low for a little while.Well, Jackson's in church camp for the next two weeks, like this week and then next week.And then we're going to Chattanooga for the weekend, which is just a short little drive
53:00for us. It's like an hour and 30 minutes from home and we're just going to go up forthe weekend and maybe just go to like the park. They have a cool children's museum thereand just going to go out to some cool dinner spots that we normally don't go to on a weeklybasis. And just like a change of scenery, you know, and yeah, that's always good. Justmaybe like get ice cream at a different ice cream place that we wouldn't normally goto and just kind of do the same things we would do around home, but just like exploresomewhere else. Yeah. Yeah. So that'll be so much fun.So since you've been gone, I've been like diving into the whole merchandising side of
53:49the podcast and looking for like shirts and stuff like that. I am more of a relaxed, tightfit t-shirt. If I'm going to wear it, I don't want something super like fitted as a t-shirt.And I have found like three different styles that I absolutely love, but I wanted to askyou, do you think that people like more fitted looking t-shirts?So I'm the same way. I don't want to wear it. If I'm like even right now, I have likea comfortable t-shirt that I got, I think in Maui and it's just like a comfortable relaxshirt. It's not tight fitted. And I think people like that. I don't think that the shirtsthat we would have or the merch that we would have is not going to be like skin tight. You're
54:43going to wear it to go out. I think it's like more comfortable, like doing errands stufflike that. So I feel like the comfortable stuff would be better, but maybe we shouldtake a poll on Instagram. Yeah, I think we just need to see kind ofwhat more people would like because we're going to go with that. And I think we kindof have an idea of the relax fit. Like it's still cute, but it's just, okay, you can throwit on like right now I'm wearing a super relax fit t-shirt with a sports bra and a pair ofathletic pants. And I think that's more of the look that we're catering to versus tryingto like put together an outfit. This isn't supposed to be, you know, something like that.
55:33This is supposed to be more so like if you went to like a concert and you were goingto grab a tea, what would that be? Or like you're traveling and you're grabbing a t-shirt.Yeah, I agree. I think just the comfortable fit, but I think we should take an Instagrampoll. We should also wait for the listeners to hear this, tweet us your thoughts and letus know kind of like what you're going to wear if you're going to, you know, get oneof our shirts. Yeah, and then a lot of people too were asking price point and we kind ofhaven't really gotten to that yet. But of course, very affordable. We want to keep thecost as low as possible for you guys and also give you something that's going to last and
56:17be something comfortable that you can wear all the time. I have a friend who is verysmart when it comes to merchandising and picking fabrics that will last and it won't be likea one wash type thing and then you won't be able to wear it again. That's super importantto us because I know that, you know, things are expensive and people don't want to buysomething that's not going to last. Another question that we got too was about coffeecups like would we do tumblers or would we do coffee mugs or I say we do both. Yeah,I think we do both and give one option of a tumbler and one option of a mug. Yeah, Ithink a lot of people are going away from mugs and doing the types of mugs that are
57:13like the shorter ones that have the lids on the top for, you know, more travel accessibleand then I know that I use a tumbler every day. So we just really need to look into,you know, what the options would be for that. A lot of people have asked about our coffeecombo cups that are in the pictures on our Instagram and, you know, those you guys canget any time from day one creations. Sweet. Well, I'm excited to catch up next week forcoffee combos and thank you guys for listening. We're super excited to get you merchandiseand like we've talked about a million times, we are working towards other platforms andother ways to, I don't know, just like be more personal with you guys. So just keep
58:02checking our Instagram. We'll have hopefully soon we'll be doing some type of tour or livething and we might be coming to a TV screen or computer screen near you. So keep updated,keep, keep your notifications on and we'll talk to you guys next week. All right, bye.
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