Coffee Convos with Kail Lowry and Lindsie Chrisley - 67: MTV's Susie Meister, Friendship Pop Quiz, Career & Motherhood

Episode Date: February 21, 2019

Lindsie & Kail chat with their producer, Susie Meister, about their friendship dynamic. They play a version of The Newlywed Game to see how well they know each other. They learn about Kail's rival from Teen Mom & why they should go on The Challenge. Lindsie reveals why she eloped. They talk about the difference between podcasting & being on reality tv. They talk about the stigma around mothers with careers & why it's so hard.

Hey guys welcome to coffee combos. Hey, it's so nice to be sitting next to you. I know it's been a couple weeks, huh? A couple months. A couple months, it's been a couple months. What have you been doing? Honestly, my life is so chaotic. I don't remember what I even did yesterday. Well, you've been in Dallas? I was in Dallas for five days, came to LA, picked you up at the airport, and now we're here. And now we're here? Yeah. Okay. I didn't bring a toothbrush. We went to the gas station. I went to the gas station and got you a toothbrush. And I think it's not quip, but it'll do what we're here. Yeah, exactly. That's what I said. I had like the little cover on it, but it literally made my gums bleed. Great. We wanted to let you guys know that we have a special guest returning on this episode, our producer Susie. Yay, I missed you guys. Yeah, it's been a long time. Yeah, why have you been shunning me? We're not shunning you. You're sick of our shit. Susie's never asked us to come on her podcast before.

You're right. She hasn't. She's like us. It's so rude. It's offensive. It's fine. I was just explaining to my friend that y'all's podcast is very... Maybe not y'all's podcast, but your personality with your co-host is very similar to Lindsay and I because Lindsay likes to take control and she's very anal about certain things. And I'm just like, one, covered in tattoos like Sarah, and then also just like fly by the seat of my pants and I don't care. Yeah, it's an odd couple vibe. And I mean, I am attracted to and drawn towards people like you who are so laid back, but I don't have that gift. Me either. That wasn't given to me. Yeah, God was like, no, it's not for you. Here I am. I'm that part for you. Yes, and it works. So for our listeners who have not listened to Susie and Sarah, their podcast is the Brain Candy podcast. And what do you guys talk about on there all the time? We always say we will talk about anything from quantum physics to the Kardashians. So sometimes we get nerdy and brainy and sometimes there's candy. Perfect mix. Yeah. Perfect mix.

It can't be nerdy all the time. Yeah. But I decided to crash your show today because I feel like you guys have been doing this for a long time. Your old pros, you're probably like settling in. It's like an old married couple. Yeah. And that made me feel like what have they really learned about each other over this year and change that we're now dependent on each other. Codependent relationships. Yeah, I think so. It's weird. We had Will on the podcast and Kale's absence and I was talking about how it's weird not having my normal partner there. And the experts, the relationship experts were like, your normal partner, like Will, how does that make you feel? And he was like, well, she has a work life. Yeah. So it's really like a relationship. I spent a lot of time with Kale, I feel like. Is Will like Kale, though? Is he laid back? Is he? I think so. Will and I get along. I met him and I was like, oh, wow, this is great. And he's so funny. He's so funny.

Really? But he's not high strung like me. I take all of that. And Will's just kind of like, okay, whatever happens. He's a tourist. What does that mean? What does that tell you about him? Well, he's the same thing as my grandfather was, so I guess that's fine. What does that even mean? My granddad was a good person. So it was like, okay, tourists. Pisces and tourists don't even really get along. I'll marry you.

Are you super into that? I am. That and numerology. I'm into it. I just learned about that. So I'm a five, Lindsay's a eight, we don't get along. Which makes sense because it does and it doesn't. You don't know about astrology? I don't know about numerology. Numerology? We'll go over it later. It gets kind of intense. It's intense. And we would have to talk about math and that's not really an avenue that I'm going down now. That gets the paper and a pen to kind of add numbers.

Holy smokes. All right. Well, on that note, I feel like I want to jump into this game I've constructed that's loosely based on the newlywed game. Okay, which I've never played. Okay. Well, yeah, because you're not married. I was. Yeah. Is it kind of like the game that Jimmy Kimmel plays with the bachelor and bachelorettes thing? Oh, I don't know.

After they do their first appearance and it's like he sees how much they know about each other. Like how many kids they will have. Okay, yes, it's probably like that. So this is just going to reveal like, do you really know each other? Okay. We'll find out. Pressure's on. We'll have to put in some like game show music right now.

I feel like I know Kale better than Kale knows Kale. Probably. I don't know anything about myself, so. Okay, so these are going to be questions for Lindsay about Kale. And then she will confirm whether or not that you got the right answer. Okay. Okay. Number one, what would Kale do to an intruder in her house?

Kill them. With like a gun or her bare hands or what? Whichever was most convenient. That's definitely accurate. Oh, for sure. Have you ever been in this position where you've had to defend your family's honor? I've never had to defend, but there was definitely an intruder in the house one time. I told the story on the podcast.

Right. That's why I asked. I was like, I wonder if she'll remember that conversation and see if she gets it right. Yeah, I know. I really feel like she would kill them. And I would just, okay, I won't answer for myself. Okay. Number two, how old was Kale when she had her first kiss?

Ten. Is that a guess or? It's a wild guess. Do you remember your first kiss? Well, yeah. And it was definitely peer pressured in the fourth grade. So how old are you then? Probably 10 years old.

Oh my gosh. Yeah, maybe nine, but it's pretty close. Did I tell that story before? No, it seems young. Yeah, it was, I don't know. I feel like Kale's probably... No, it was in the classroom. I don't know where the teacher was.

What? What? I don't know. I can't make this up. Kale's the type of person that I feel like is always going to do stuff like before everybody's going to do it. Great. So I'm fast.

No, no, no, no. Not just like sexually. I don't mean that. I'm going to try stuff before everybody, so I'm going to get, I would guess like a young age. Mm-hmm. Okay. Wow. You're up to a running start here.

I did not see this coming. Okay. Where is Kale's dream vacation? Thailand. That's not fair because we literally just talked about that this morning. Literally before y'all got here. We talked about it many times before that, too. She's right.

I cannot believe how good you are at this. I'm annoyed, too. Let's do this. All right. All right. Maybe they get harder. Okay. Who is Kale's biggest rival from Teen Mom?

Janelle Evans. Is that accurate? Definitely Janelle Evans. Okay. It's Janelle Eason. Janelle Eason and Farah. And does it change over time? No, it's been Janelle for a long time, I would say.

Okay. They should put us on the challenge. Right. That's what made me ask. It's legal. It's safe most of the time, right? Do they fully vet you guys before they put you on there to make sure it's safe? No, they would vet you to make sure that you're just crazy enough that you won't kill anybody.

Well, I mean, I can only speak for myself. Okay. What is Kale's guilty pleasure? Can you think of one? Kale's guilty pleasure. It can be food, it could be a TV show, it could be the ID channel. I'm done. I'm walking out.

That's literally what I was thinking in my head. Wait, what did you say? The ID channel and Wawa coffee. Oh my god. I don't know if the Wawa is like guilty, but for sure, Wawa every morning. Because I broke up with Starbucks, so it's kind of, it's been rough. Oh my gosh, my deepest condolences. I mean, I did get it this morning, but that's because there wasn't really any other options.

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Post Malone. Oh my God. I wouldn't sleep with him, but I love him. I wouldn't sleep with him. However, if you want to do a collab for Pothead, we're ready. Fine. Yes, we'll be there. So who would be a crush then that you would like to date, you know, like not realistic?

I'm talking like to date. Maybe like Rachel McAdams. Oh, but she's not gay. Kale doesn't really like if she's going to go like the girl way. Yeah. She doesn't really like feminine. Yeah. It wouldn't be me.

No, it would not be you. I'm sorry. It's not a match. I'm too much. I'm too much. It's not a match. You know, like are you the one? I'm not the one.

Right. What about Kate McKinnon? She's a good one. I don't know who that is. On SNL. Oh, she's super cute. I mean, if you're into that. I'm going to look her up.

Yeah, see what you think. You're into that kind of thing. But for now you're saying post Malone and you kind of agreed. Yeah, I definitely love him. I copied, I did a photo shoot at Ink Magazine not too long ago and they had a picture of him doing like a certain pose and they had like the little sign and I copied him and I tagged him. He's tweeted me back.

Come on. Oh yeah. But I have to hold it together and not act like a groupie. Well, yeah. So I'm just chill. He's not listening. Posty if you're listening. He's not listening.

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He's probably not dirty. It's just a facade. You think? Yeah. I don't think he's actually dirty. He's a method actor if that's the case. Yeah. He's very convincing.

Yeah. His music's great. So it don't really matter. Yeah. He's talented. Yeah. Okay. Speaking of coffee, how does Kale like her coffee?

Or what does she order? What does she order? You know her go-to beverage? I know it's like not the same as me. Definitely not. It's not the same. And normally she... Are you like a frappuccino kind of girl?

No. I like... You can't say it. Okay. She has different questions. Oh, good. Okay. Okay.

I like my coffee iced. You like a latte. And I like a latte. Caramel. Drizzle. Yep. And... I got it this morning for her.

Yeah. That's cheating. I mean, Kale, normally if she goes to Starbucks, she gets like a refresher. She doesn't really get like a coffee most of the time. What's a refresher? So they used to have this one called the Cool Lime Refresher. And it was like super low calorie, but it had caffeine. Oh, that's great.

So it was like an iced green tea-ish type of drink. Okay. But I feel like you get like hazelnut or something. Yeah, I do. Yeah. From WALA. Yeah, from WALA. My God.

Lindsey, think of it. I have Lindsey's like steel trap of information. Yes. Yeah. It's inappropriate. Wow. Okay. It's inappropriate.

What is Kale's biggest pet peeve? I would say people not being clean. Except Post Malone. But we don't know if he's dirty. We don't. He might just look that way. He might just look like he doesn't wash his hair. So you don't like smells?

Smelling. No, I don't like smells. No. And I feel like a pet peeve. There's one that I came to mind instantly. Okay. And we've talked about it before and I'm going to see if you remember. Oh, okay.

This is fun. This is what I was looking for all along. The one that she doesn't know. Right. Yeah. I don't know. What is it? Like when I'm in a relationship or even like my kids when they leave shit in the middle

of the floor and I trip over it. Oh, yes. Yes. It's the freaking shoes. Yeah. Like my ex has been used to come home and leave his duffel bag in the shoes in the middle of the doorway. Right.

Like do you want me to die? Yes. What is this? That's my future ex. True. That is a good one. Yeah. And I'm like, it doesn't belong here.

Like why? Why are you taking, but then I have found myself taking, because the first thing I do when I walk in the house is take off my socks and shoes. I love to be barefoot. Like it's like my feet are claustrophobic. Yeah. And I've found that I've left my shoes. She really likes to get in the nature, you know, like she likes to ground herself into

nature. So I've found that I've been leaving my shoes in the middle of nowhere or like in the middle of everywhere. So it's kind of like she's a double standard person. Yeah. It's fine if she does it, but if somebody else. Because there's no other adult that lives with me. So at this point it's fine.

Yeah. It's fine. Yeah. You can do whatever you want. Who is more likely to cancel a get together between the two of you? You have to share your answer. Both of us. Oh.

For different reasons. Yeah. Oh, why? What's your reason? She doesn't feel like going. Yeah. And then Kale is like, she would probably commit to it. You double book.

And then she would, she would either double book or it would be like she would want to do it in the moment that she committed to it and then she's probably like watching ID channel and at home and she like fell asleep and then woke up and it was too late to go. I double booked, double booked my last night in Dallas. I had a business dinner and then my aunt came into town and was like, I want to take you to dinner, but I didn't want to like tell them both that I had dinner plans. So I went out to dinner with my aunt and then I was like, oh, we're filming after this.

And then I went to another dinner and they called me out. They were like, why aren't you eating? I was so full. Kale's a bad person here. In half of a fajita that I put like one slice of meat in and she's like, why are you eating it so good? And I was just like, I literally can't eat anymore. Like I'm, I'm eating.

I'm just talking a lot. Is it because you're a people pleaser? Yeah. Yeah. You don't want to let them down. It's like probably. And the crazy thing is, is out of our personalities, you would think that I would be that one and she would be the other one.

Yes. But I'm totally not. You don't give a shit. No. Canceling. Yeah. Cancel. I would go to karaoke song.

I don't imagine you to be a karaoke lover. Are you? I'm not. I sing in the shower, but I'm not a karaoke lover. I feel like if she was going to sing karaoke, she would probably know words to whatever Eminem sang on eight miles. Yes. I know.

I was thinking more like Britney Spears, like hit me maybe one more time. But yes, Eminem would definitely. Be a thing. Yeah. Wow. I can see that. Yeah. That could be some bonus content.

You too. Maybe we'll do that tonight. Right. Behind the scenes. Things get crazy. You did a really good job. You did. It's very impressive.

I'm impressed with myself to be perfectly honest. I'm just going to tell you guys. A little higher. Yeah. These then are questions to Kale about Lindsay. Oh no. She's going to get none right. Some of them are the same, but some are different.

What is Lindsay's biggest pet peeve? Lindsay's biggest pet peeve? Lots of them. People not sticking to schedules. Kale knows because she's been on the receiving end of this. People wasting your time. These aren't ones that you're, there's, you have a specific one, don't you? Okay.

It's like. Hygiene. Hygiene is definitely one of them. One time she told someone they couldn't get in the bed with her because they didn't wash their feet. What? They have to do it every night? Like you need a shower.

Before getting into bed. Yeah. And then again in the morning. Not on my clean sheets. Like no. Not on your Brooklyn's. Yeah. No.

Like no. You're out. Wow. Like don't get in. What was the one that you were thinking though? I really hate like smackers. Like at dinner. Like you.

Like or somebody that has like really bad table manners. I'll just get up. You can't take it. No. Like it literally, it's like nails on a chalkboard for me. I can't. Table manners. Okay.

Yeah. Now I know. We go to dinner later. My elbows will not be on the table. Yeah. Mind. Okay. What is Lindsay's guilty pleasure?

Lindsay's guilty. Lifetime. Lifetime. I love lifetime. And people think it's so crazy because the movies are so predictable. But you love it. I always feel like she's always watching lifetime. Always.

And Will thinks that's the craziest thing in the world. Is it the ones with all the Christmas? No. That's Hallmark. That's Hallmark. No. Lifetime. They're like murder murders.

But they're like. But they're like predictable murders. Oh. It's like you know the man's coming with a knife. The music is like honing in on what's about to happen. It's like kind of like really bad actors. What do you love about it? But it's very enjoyable watching.

I just feel like, I just feel like that it's probably real life stuff that happens more often than we know about. And lifetime's just capitalizing. True. Or is it like the jealous lover? Yeah. And like weird mother child stories. It's freaking weird.

It's like the daddy, double daddy. Double daddy. Where it's like he got two girls pregnant in high school or something. It's like so stupid. And then like the girls try to kill each other. Oh wow. That's deep. Yeah.

It's real deep. I feel like it's something I could see Kale starring in. What? Oh my God. What Kale? That's fun. Are you guys ready to try the most comfortable flat you've ever worn and that you can wear all day, every day for any occasion?

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Celebrity crush. I'm not really good with celebrity names, but I know he's got to be tall, dark and handsome. Definitely has brown hair. It's somebody that y'all aren't going to guess. Vin Diesel. No. Vin Diesel. No, you guys want me to tell you.

Yes. Rob Lowe. Who's that? He's much older. He's from the Brack Pack. He was in all those 80 movies. He's so hot. I would never have guessed that.

Was he insane, almost fire? I forget what he was saying. He got lost me. Okay, you lost. You're looking at Mark. Wasn't he in the West Wing? I don't know. Thank you.

He's literally so hot. He's so handsome, though. Was he my type? No, not at all. He's real crappy. Here. Have a look. Oh, okay.

I can see that. Yeah. I can see that. He's like my longtime love. Longtime love. Yeah. Do you remember when you first fell in love? I've never met the man.

That's fine. I watched him on some series. I forget the name of it. Yeah, the West Wing. He was on Outsiders was the movie. Oh, Outsiders. I know that movie. Okay.

God, he's so good looking. Oh yeah, Wayne's World. I forgot he was in it. Oh yeah, Wayne's World. I would watch anything that he's on just to see him. Okay. Because I'm that in love with him. What would you do if you met him?

Don't be a groupie. Probably not talk to him and act like I was not interested. Right. I feel like that's what I would have to do too. Yeah. I always talk to him. But then try to get his attention, but not be interested. But not be interested.

Right. Oh, you're being aloof. Yeah, like a hard to get type of thing. Like I would want him to be super interested in me, but I would show him no interest. You know what? His wife looks kind of like you. I mean, she's his age though, but she's blonde and maybe you're his type. Maybe.

Just keep that in mind. But he's got a wife. And you have a husband. So, yep. Okay. What is Lindsay's favorite reality show to watch? Teen Mom too, of course. I do like to watch The Kardashians.

I used to, but not anymore. I'm just not into it. Oh yeah, I should have asked. Why am I not asking you? The Bachelor and The Bachelor. That's the one that she would watch. Okay. And you agree?

I agree. Lindsay's signature recipe. Um, cauliflower mac and cheese. I do like to make that from Hello Fresh, but it's not my recipe. Um, her... We talked about this before. Breakfast casserole. Right, it's casserole.

Is it a breakfast casserole? Yeah, but like what does my child like that I make all the time? Um... Is it sweet or savory? Savory. Savory. Okay. It's...

I would say it's savory. A toaster-shruttle. It's not a recipe. I wish my dad made toaster-shruttle so, like that girl on Mean Girls. Oh yeah. I wish my dad was the inventor because I eat them like every day. You're... It's not a recipe.

It's chili. It's chili. I hate chili. You do? I freaking hate chili. It's um... I hate anything with beans in it. You send me pictures cooking all the time.

Yeah. I'm obviously better at this game. Because she shows me like... Because I want to like rub off on her. Yeah. Because I'm not a cooker. I'm not a chef. Okay.

Chef Kale is not a thing. Maybe you're just more mysterious. What is it? Spaghetti. Oh, I was thinking that. I swear to God, but if I said it I thought I would be so dead wrong. Yeah. Spaghetti.

Okay. I was thinking that, but okay. What's the secret with that? Like what's... I can't tell you. Oh, okay. That's a very big secret. She feels attacked.

Did Lindsay play sports growing up, and if yes, which ones? Lindsay played... Should she know? Have you told her? Oh, it's a secret too. Softball? Softball? Do I look like a softball player?

No. Did you cheer? Yes. Okay. She was a cheerleader. That seems more... Softball? No.

Okay. Did you do anything other than cheering? Track. Track. Okay. That's what I would have thought. Oh, that makes sense. Yeah.

Yeah, you seem like a track kind of gal. Okay. This... I'm interested in this. How many bridesmaids did Lindsay have? Lindsay had zero bridesmaids because she eloped. That's what I thought when I wrote that. That's right.

Yeah. I can't believe you eloped. Got one right. Yeah. That's amazing, right? That's amazing. Doesn't she seem like a type? I would be the one that would elope.

Yeah. And I wanted to, but he said no. And so you had a wedding and you eloped. Oh, yeah. That is... That's what I'm saying. We're like the weirdest too. Yeah.

Odd couple. Are you glad you eloped? Absolutely. Well, then there was no planning. You didn't have to stress out. Yeah. Because you would have stressed the fuck out. Yeah, I would.

Could you imagine me being a bride? No. You bridezilla. Yeah. It would be horrible. Yeah. Kale would quit my wedding. Oh, yeah.

I'm out. Kale would quit me. She double booked that day. Yeah. Exactly. All right. What is the musical artist or group of all time? Um, Ric Flair-Drip.

Who sings that? The Migos? What is that? Ric Flair-Drip. I love Ric Flair-Drip. Is that a song? Yeah. Yeah.

It's a song by rappers. Okay. I don't know who sings it, but... It's Migos. I think it is Migos. And I really like Mo Bamba these days. Okay. But is that a group or is that a song?

You have to guess this answer, Kale. It's that song that I played for you. Oh, we got to listen to it later. Yeah. It's her favorite... What would you guess? If I had to guess, I would say the Migos. Is that your final answer?

That's my final answer. Okay. What is the correct answer? Spice Girls. What? No. You just made that up. No, I didn't.

That was my first time. They're your favorite group of all time. Yeah. I would still listen to them every day. Spice up your life. Wow. Every day? I would listen to it every day.

Yeah. I had everything Spice Girls. I even called all the... Spice World. I called all the Walmart's when the Barbies came out. And I couldn't get ginger. Yeah, she was nowhere to be found. And our little store, like our tiny ass Walmart, got it.

And I made my grandparents take me up there and get it. I was obsessed with Spice Girls. So you have all five. I heard that they were doing a remake, like tour. Yeah. I will be there. That was my first concert ever. But Victoria Beckham won't...

Posh Spice won't be a part of it. So fucking rude. Which I feel like is like... It's rude. It's offensive. It is. To be honest. You feel like...

I think about all the girls that would really love that. Yeah. I just want to clarify. You have five dolls, though. You have the entire... She had them as a child. As a child. All five?

Yeah. I only could find three because I couldn't find Posh or Ginger. Oh, that sucks. You didn't have it all. I didn't have it all. At all. You didn't have them. But I did and I let everybody know.

And where have they now gone? Oh, and you know what? I'm going to say one of my favorite songs was Shaggy. Oh, my God. It wasn't me or whatever. Oh, my gosh. We used to sing that as a child. Like 10 years old and it was so provocative.

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You know how you like refer to somebody. I don't think it's appropriate for this podcast. You know it. No, it's just probably something not nice. Yes. Yeah. It wouldn't be like, because I'm more like a funny type of like not cute pet name. Yes.

Yeah. So you don't even say babe or honey? No. What? No. Who does that? You? Everyone.

What do you call Adam then? Well, I call him Bungle. Bungle? In England, it's like a bear that is a cartoon. So you say, hey, Bungle. Yeah. Our whole family does it. My son and me.

It's so cute. Calls you a Bungle? Yeah, we're all Bungles. Y'all are the dream. We're not. I'll be like, Bungle! All day long. We're not the dream, but y'all are.

That's amazing. We're all mad too if you want. Do they do that in England? Like a lot of families do that or just y'all? No, just us. And this is a problem I have because my husband's British. I always like, is it England or is it Adam? Like if he does something weird, I'm not sure if it's cultural or just him.

Like, you know, when he does something, I'm just like, is that your whole country or just you? We could do a whole episode on like English slang and like. Yeah, they do have a colorful language. Yeah, it's like so different. We're separated by a common language, I always say. At least Adam has two excuses. It could either be him or it could be culture.

Will has no excuse except just him. But what is the name? What do you call him? Like asshole? Yeah, that's what I was thinking. For real? Dick. Yeah, but it would be like lovingly.

Like, what's up dick? For real? Yeah. Come here, dick. Like, I'm learning a lot. Okay, well then how old were you? Oh, how old was Lindsay for her first kiss? First kiss?

What would you bet first? I would go ahead out and say 17? 17! Are you serious? I was grown then. I was grown. 14. Okay, okay.

It's a nice compromise. It was like ninth grade. Long story short, I'm going to need a flash cards. Yeah, moving forward with this situation. You guys both did really well. I didn't. I mean, but she's so mysterious. Right.

How are you supposed to get inside of that locked up soul? I know. I'm chained up. You're more of an open book. Yeah. You know? I'm chained up. My soul is just chained.

I mean, maybe we'll revisit in another year. Yeah, that's a good idea. Maybe like on year two. Year two, yep. Well, I do want to know before we wrap up. I think that is just in general after, what is this, 67 episodes or whatever, what you've learned in general. Like do you feel like, is it just podcasting is different than you thought or about your

listeners or about each other? First of all, I thought I wanted to do it for like a while before I did. And I feel like it's been more rewarding than I could have ever imagined in a lot of ways because I feel like we've been able to connect with so many people that we would have never had access to through the podcast, hearing stories of people and kind of realizing that we are more normal than what we thought that we are and we have more things in common with people than we thought that we ever did. And I definitely feel like in a lot of ways having a co-host that's completely opposite

than me has calmed me in some ways and then makes me want to like kill her in some ways. Sounds about right. Yeah, like same. Yeah, no, so much same. I actually, to be perfectly honest, I was a little apprehensive about doing the podcast because I'm like, I don't know how I feel about this. I've never really experienced it. And then when Lindsay approached me about doing it, I was like, okay, let me start listening

to some podcasts to kind of see where, how they are, how they go. And I went to school for stuff like this. So I was like, okay. And then when I started doing it, I was like, I really love this. Is it weird though to kind of produce yourself because you're used to being produced? Yeah. No, and people love it. Yeah.

Like people have actually tweeted me and been like, oh, truthfully, we didn't like you before we listened to the podcast. No. We get that every single week that Kale comes across way different on the podcast because it's generally her. Like my guard is down. And on TV, I feel like I have to portray a certain image or I don't want certain people to see my feelings.

So I'll just like put up a wall. Yes. And I'm very defensive, which I am normally anyway, but like on the podcast, I don't have to be defensive at all. Yeah. And I feel like whenever you're doing like a job with somebody that you know, like, okay, I'm going to have her best interest and no matter what, like we're a team, you know, like we're working together and we're not having to worry about like producing each other.

And I know if I tell her, I really don't, I said this, but I don't want to put it in the podcast. She'll make sure it's not going to be in the podcast. So that's kind of nice. Yeah. And I don't feel like I have that on TV. Right. No matter what I do, it's like, oh my gosh, I realized I just said that or I just did

that, but that's not how I meant it. And I know it's how it's going to be perceived. And I can't, I have no way of getting rid of it. And it's maybe not like what is said. It's more of how something said and it might be like misinterpreted or taken like completely wrong way in the backlash that you're going to get. I got a tweet the other day actually that somebody like a listener had tweeted saying that people really need to realize that public figures or whatever you want to call whatever

we are, how we are real people and that we're judged at such like a higher standard. Like people hold us at such a higher standard or like we, you know, like the vaccination thing, us having two totally different like perspectives on it. There was so much backlash from that. And it's like, but we're just normal people. And if a normal mom just said that, it would be fine. You know, but like, because Kale is Kale or I mean, like we can't have an opinion about it or we have to be more guarded about that opinion and not feel like we can share that

as mothers because people are going to judge at whatever angle. I do feel like in the podcast, I've learned to not really care as much about what people are thinking because people are going to have an opinion, whether it be like good or bad, no matter what you say. So was there a time when people reached out or one person or however many about something and you're like, huh, I did not see that coming. Yeah. A lot of times actually.

Yeah. For sure. Yeah. That happens all the time for us too, where you'll think that was just an off the cuff comment. Yeah, exactly. But they'll hang on to it. Yeah.

Okay. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, you don't know the context of their life. It might have. A trigger or something. Yeah. But you can't place everybody.

No, not at all. Or I just feel like we try to bring like an authentic show and we try not to. Not that we don't think about what we say, but we try to just give it like the real deal. Yeah. And so sometimes when you say something that's not like a scripted, whatever, then it comes across in a way that some people might take offensively or some people might think it's really funny, you know, like some people might think what I said was really funny. And then some people might be like, oh, wow, she's so dumb, you know, and it's like, okay,

I don't know which side of the spectrum I'm going to fall on this week. Yeah. But I'm just going to be me. Right. And I've just learned that it's like fine. Just being me. Yeah. And when I got into like the TV thing, I was not fine being me because I felt so guarded

and didn't know like, okay, these people are going to hate me and whatever. And I've just become way more comfortable with myself over the past year doing the podcast. And that's just like adulting too. Yeah. As you like sink into it. You're like, oh, it's so much better now that I know who I am. Yeah. That stuff.

And I feel like your listeners are on that same journey with you. Yeah. And so that's fun too to hear. Yeah, I feel like as we talk about certain things, it can be like such a small topic that it's bringing awareness in ways that we didn't even know ourselves when we talked about the topic, like the teeth thing. We would have never known that baby teeth carried stem cells that you can preserve them, you know, like the same way that you can in a bill or even like relationship stuff.

Yeah. We would have never known and it like hit somebody. I mean, we get messages all the time of how it like helped somebody's relationship to see from a perspective of somebody else that's going through it or co-parenting stuff with you, how people really relate. So it's nice to be able to have that outlet to be able to share that. And you can do it and just reach people directly and not being filtered through. Yeah.

Mediting process or whatever. Yeah. That you don't have control over. And then we have no idea what's going to be aired, set or exposed. Yeah. You know what I love, saving money, $368 per year, that's how much that has been reported that the average American is overpaying for car insurance. But searching for a better deal can take hours and most of the time results in a bombardment

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What is with that? Is it so millennial? I know. I just don't like to email. I don't like the notifications. I'd rather just get a text. See, I do like email because it keeps track of the conversation. So there's a text message.

Save your threads. A kill opens them and then doesn't respond to what? To both. But also I know that I'm reading the text. Like I'm going to read it. The email, I'm just opening and closing to get rid of the notification. That's insane. And see, I can't do that.

Okay. So I will open it and I'll read it. And if it's not something that I can respond to immediately, then I flag it. And then that way I know that I've opened it, but I haven't responded to it. And then I go back to it. So does it get rid of the notification if you flag it? Oh, yeah. See, this is, this might be, I saw it.

Like for example, Susie sent me an email and I knew it was yesterday. And I was like, okay, well, we're busy doing podcast stuff. So I can't respond to this like right at this moment. Oh, and it's orange. But I opened it and read it. And I was like, okay, this is something I'm going to go back to. And then I flagged it. Oh, that's it.

Life changing. That might be good. Yeah. I'll try it. You know, in a couple of weeks, if it's working out. But your system is crazy too, because on your phone, I see there are hundreds of unread. She has three, Lindsay has 357 unread texts, 18 notifications in social media, which that would drive me nuts.

And 117. What is that? Miss calls. Yeah. And only three emails though. These notifications, I feel like our, our personality or our communications would be backwards. Yeah, I would be the one that has this and you would be the one that can't get rid of

the note that wants to get rid of the notifications. But like I responded like business stuff. I'm good about responding to you and Adam. But like, okay, so if you open this app, is it going to get rid of all the notifications? No, no, you have to open each one. What? Yeah. And your phones on 30%.

This is irking my nerve. Yeah, I agree. I can't. I don't know how to, I don't know how to fix it. You guys, you open the text messages. You're not going to read them anyway, so just open them to get rid of the notifications. But I might go back and read them like at some point, but I don't want to open it and then like forget that I opened it.

And then I kind of feel like a sense of obligation. If I open it, then I need to respond to it. If I don't open it, I don't feel the obligation to because it's kind of like, okay, well, it's like out of sight out of mind. Like I didn't get it. Do you have your read receipts on certain people? Okay. Oh wait.

So you can do it. Yeah. Specifically. I do it when I'm in a relationship so that they know that I left them on read. No. Yes. That's a thing. I need them to know that if I'm mad at you, you're getting left on read.

Would that be something that you would do to Adam? Like if he text you and you're like mad. I would never have the discipline to not read the message. No, but you do. Right. And then it says read and then you don't respond to it. She's saying she just has them on read. No.

Like me and somebody are fighting or like I don't like what you say and I only have your read receipts on. Yeah. I'm going to leave you on read. So you know I read it and I'm ignoring you. Oh, that is mean. Yeah. Okay.

So would you do that to Adam or not? Yeah. Now I'm on board. I get what you're saying. Yeah. At least you know that you read it. Like my marriage is going to fall apart and it'll all just be because of this episode because of us.

It'll be like, sorry, bungle. Don't take. Don't take relationship advice. Don't take relationship advice from either of us. No, not at all. Do you have them in your phone as bungle? Yeah. Oh, bungle bear.

I think. Adam bungle bear. Oh my God. I think it is. Oh, wow. I can't wait to like be in a relationship again so I can have a cute nickname. I might even call them bungle. Mine just says like or jungle.

Will Campbell. Will. You don't even have them in as like husband. No. It's just Will Campbell. What if it was like Dick? I know. I was just going to say like Will Dick.

Yeah. Dick Will. What's up Dick? I'm sorry. Dickie. Is this calling William? William. Mm-hmm.

Adam's showing me. Adam has. She's the bungle. Stop. Now though, I mean, I'm going to forever think of you guys now when I say bungle. Yeah. I just don't like pet names. See, I could see why people use them.

They probably started from somewhere. It's cute for other people. Some were having multiple relationships at one time and had to keep their name straight. When I was in a relationship with Joe, I wouldn't let him call me like babe or anything. What do you mean? Because I was like, because you probably have another girlfriend. And I wanted to know my name. And like you call them all babe.

But also, I, when people use my actual name in a sentence, I like, I love it. So like if I'm in a relationship and they call me Kale or like they're like trying to talk to me and they say Kale or Kailin, like I'm like, oh, I like that. It's personal. Yeah. Okay. And see, I don't. Or something like bungle is so unique.

It's not babe. Right. So it's not like generic. But it will like Lindsay. It's serious biz, right? And you're like, I hate you. Shut up. Yeah.

I'm like, don't ever talk to me again. In fact, forget my name. It makes me angry. Really? Like an angry person. Are you one of those people that when you are angry that you get aggressive? Yeah. Are you silent?

Like I get silent. I get both. Yeah. I get aggressive and then silent. Yeah. Call that one. So you'll yell or whatever. And then I like turn into a recluse.

No. Yeah. And I yell and get it all out because then I know I'm like, okay, now I feel better. That was my dream. I told you, I walked into her. I swear to God, I walked into the bedroom, her bedroom lap yesterday morning. I said, Lindsay, you are my dream fighting with Adam. About the podcast.

No. Like yelling at Adam. Yes. That's terrible. And I was like, fine. If she doesn't want to do it, I'll just record the episode by myself. And Adam's like, no, we can't do that. I said, okay.

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I'm not angry person. I just don't like people being stupid. Which is me all the time. If you're stupid, then I'm just going to be like, hey, you know what, you got stuck with a stupid stick today or struck with it. I need to get it together. Yeah, get it together. Well, Kale claims that she is mean, but I can't even picture it.

No. Oh, I am. I'm so mean. No, you're not. Yeah, I am. Kale's not mean. Okay, no, I take this back. Kale's mean.

I'm meaner. So it's like when we get mean, I feel like I out mean Kale. Wow. I feel like I could make Kale cry before she could make me cry. Oh, yeah. Oh, for sure. What? Yeah, Lindsay could eat.

Yeah, I will definitely second that. Because you're harsh. Because when she's coming, it's guns blazing. It's like guns blazing, like a transfer truck. And it's like, oh, wow, okay. And I would cry out of frustration. Yeah. And I would just be like, no.

Um, yeah. Yeah. Sure. She called me a crybaby yesterday. It's not even so much like the hurt. It's like one third hurt, two thirds frustration. Don't feel like I'm getting, being heard. You know what I mean?

Yes. So that's more what it is. And see, I'm just gonna. And I'm a people pleaser. I'm a really bad communicator in the way of, I feel like you hear me more if I'm yelling. But like, I know you're not. Like, I know you're actually hearing me less, but it makes me feel so good to be like screaming. Well, do you yell?

I'm more of the silent mad. Yeah. And I do cast a cold shadow. I hear when I'm angry that it's not a pleasant experience. Right. Um, but I'm not really a yeller. See, not a name caller, but you think cause we're all on reality TV. That's what it's supposed to be.

Is everyone yelling all the time. I try not to call names that part. I used to call names, but I definitely don't do it now. No. It's like, I don't know. I call them all cry baby. But that was just like out of like, that was just like out of love. Yeah.

I wanted to ask you though, cause I know that you and Will were on the show together and you talked to the relationship people. And did you feel like you took away stuff from that that you're going to apply or it's just fun to do? No, I think it was definitely fun to do. And I kind of like learned something from them because they had been together two times longer than Will and I have been together. So they've been together like 30 years.

They're at a different place. And like they've been through the phases and I asked them, I'm like, um, have you ever been in a point in your relationship that like you just don't even know what to talk about? Had they been in a place where they wanted to leave each other? Yeah, I think so. Oh, and just like at a place of you have nothing in common or you, I feel like everybody has been there in a relationship.

What they did is wait, knuckle it, got through it. Yeah. Yeah. And that's the kind of relationship I want to be in. Is that when you crave? Yeah. I think like no matter how bad it gets, like you have to choose that person, right? So I feel like you're not there yet.

I feel like you're not like there to like, I feel like you want to do that, but maybe you're not like your picker is not good yet. Like have you and Adam ever gone through a phase where you guys like maybe we're not going to make it? Yeah. And what made you choose each other still? Well, he's a good man and that makes all the difference because he was like, I hear what you're saying and I see the ways that I was wrong.

And I saw the ways that I was wrong. Right. And so we could come together. But usually there's somebody that thinks they're, they walk on water. Yeah. And that they don't do anything wrong. But if both people are like, yeah, I kind of sucked or I messed up. Right.

Kayle and I are both similar in the fact of self-awareness. Yeah. And I know when I'm wrong and I'm not afraid to be like, okay, I'm wrong. Yeah. I mean, I am sometimes like, I don't want to say this, but I am. But I guess what I mean is like, not necessarily when you're like fighting, it's more like the falling out of love part. Like where, where's that line where you're like, okay, this is a bad patch and are we

going to get through this to like, okay, I don't know if I'm even in love with you anymore. Do you know what I mean? Like where we're going to choose to try to work through it and make it work or it's time to go. And I feel like if you found that person who made you feel like you were their family, no matter what, that you would reciprocate that. Okay. Don't you think?

Yeah. Because I feel like you crave that. It's weird because I feel like I had that with Harvey, but I just wasn't in love with him. Oh, you mean the chemistry wasn't there? Like I do feel like it was there. Like we would go on fun trips and we'd have fun together, but it like the in love-ness really.

I feel like Kale loved Harvey, she wasn't in love with Harvey and that's two totally different things. And I kind of went through that with Will. It's like, okay, are you in love or do you just love this person because you've spent so much time with them developing? A lot of me is like failure, you know, like I've spent 10 years, I don't want that to be like a wasted, you know, time of my life. Right.

And not bad does that suck, you know, like you've invested 10 years of your life. Yeah. And then it's like, okay, is this like done? Is it not? Is it? Mm-hmm. That's the worst feeling in the world. Right.

And I heard that you said that you and Adam kind of like had the rough patch after you had your son. Yeah. And I think that's so relatable to so many people. Oh, we talked about that this morning. You, all of us sitting at this table want to have careers and want to be good mothers. And it's hard to feel like you're picking, because sometimes you have to feel like, okay, well, I'm picking like work over being a mom, but it's not really like that.

You know, it's like you're just trying to juggle like all of the things and you want to be able to do all of the things. But I feel like sometimes we get judged for wanting to be, to do, have a career and be a mom and then it kind of makes us feel like we have to choose and we don't have to. Some people just are fine with being stay-at-home moms and that's fine. And that's fine. You know? But that doesn't make them a better mom than ones that choose to work.

Choose to work. Yeah. I feel like I need the work aspect and I love doing what we do and I get fulfillment out of it in a different way than I get fulfillment out of being a mom. Yeah. You can be a better mom because you've taken this time to invest in your own career, which benefits everybody. Right.

We talked about how for hobby and for will, didn't, haven't always supported the career part of it. So it's kind of hard when you're with somebody who doesn't respect the career aspect of us. And that was one of the things was I was getting my PhD at the time, which is full-time job, but nobody thinks of it as that. So I became like the default parent and I didn't want to be the default parent. No. So it almost was like a power struggle kind of.

But then once we kind of established, oh, this is what's happening, then we could navigate it. Yeah. But I think there is often when you have that first child or grow your family, there's a sense of like, who's going to do this extra work? Right. I don't want to do it. And I think for hobby and for will, they both had more like stable jobs.

You know, like more like a nine to five or like they knew what they were going to do every day. I think so it's hard to understand like somebody that has like that entrepreneurial mindset of okay, like I'm just going to like grind and I'm going to do this and I'm going to do that. And like I'm still going to be a mom. And if you don't get it, you don't get it. Yeah.

And it's not something that you can like preach. You just don't get it. But to your point about like not wanting the extra work, I think that that kind of ties into with like having to choose people will look at us differently if we don't want, if we, we can't take on that extra mom work at the time that we're trying to launch ourselves into like school or career or whatever. And people, this is an example. I felt like almost a sense of guilt coming to California to record podcast, knowing that

I love what I do and I'm going to have fun doing it. Leaving your son, leaving my son at home because he has school. And then it's like the social media pressure of knowing that I'm going to be posting stories on Instagram and be posting stuff and it's not going to have Jackson and it's going to be me and Kale. And it's like, okay, are you being a bad mom? Like no, I'm not being a bad mom. But that doesn't really happen for meant husbands who travel for work.

No, not at all. There's not like the, but where are your kids? No, yeah. It doesn't cross my mind. Will was in Texas like multiple times for like almost a week at a time and it never even crossed his mind or probably anybody else's mind for that matter. I can't tell you how many meetings I've gone to where people will be like, well, who is your son?

Well, I asked where Lincoln was. Well, that's because we're both here. So that's a fair question. But I've gone into meetings by myself. I'm like, he has a dad and his dad is around and yeah, but that would never, and I asked him this, did has anyone ever asked you where Lincoln is when you go to a meeting? And he said, no, it just doesn't occur to people that anything's missing. It's like the mom's supposed to do like everything.

Well, so on this trip, actually, um, you know, I've tried to plan podcasting around when my kids are with their dads and, um, she's not going to have them anyway. I wouldn't have Lincoln any of my kids anyway. Right. Someone messaged me and was like, um, so does Lincoln live with his dad now? It's exactly the same amount of time. Exactly the same amount. And I will say that on this trip, I did have to give them up for two extra days because

I did throw my sister a baby shower. But me even just coming to see my family without my kids right before this is a huge problem. And I don't have my kids and I'm never with them and I don't post them. And if I don't post them, I must not have them. I'm sure it's worse for you because you're on a show where motherhood is your identity. Yeah. I mean, that's the name of the show. Yeah.

Yeah. So that's what box people really want to put you in. So weird. But it is true for most women, I think. And I think, okay, a few times I posted pictures on Instagram that like didn't have Jackson in it. I guess it was like in a row. And people are like, well, where's Jackson at?

It's like, well, he's probably at preschool. He's probably at, you know, it's like, he doesn't have a wife. He might be visiting other family members. He may or may not have a play date. Yeah. I mean, it's just so crazy how people, and it's like, okay, you go to their social media and it's like either pictures of like cats and dogs and they don't show their face or they don't even have kids or if they do, then they're not in pictures with their kids either.

So I'm like, okay, this is a total double standard. And I feel like it's such a judgment and I wonder if like normal moms get it. I know they do. I know it. Because when I got pregnant people, I was, you know, in grad school and people were like, what are you going to do? Are you going to keep working? And that's a fair question, but nobody ever asked Adam that when he said he was going

to be a dad. Of course he's going to keep working. So it's that double standard. And I don't think the intentions are bad, it's just what culturally we're used to. But these are very relatable issues that moms have to deal with no matter what their job or no job is. Exactly. And I can't help it.

Like I just found something that I love doing, you know, it's like maybe some people judge it because maybe they're in a different place in their life where their career might not be as fulfilling or something, you know, like an angry mom or something that's going on there. It's not even a mom. We have to acknowledge that it's weird to be paid to be yourself. Yeah. And that's what we do as podcasters.

People don't think that we have jobs and we don't work. It's crazy. Reality TV is weird like that and podcasting is weird like that. So you kind of have to let people. People always ask that. Don't they? They're like, when are you going to use your degree is the number one question I get. When are you going to, you put all this time into school, when are you going to use

your degree? Well, what do you guys think I'm doing? And heaven forbid someone learn just to learn like, well, how many friends do I have that went to college, have bachelors, masters, and they don't even work in their career field. Of course. Well, thank you so much for joining us. Thanks for having me.

Hopefully we'll get to go on brain candy podcast at some point. Yeah. We don't know. We'll see. We're kind of booked. I don't know. She double book. She's going to double book that day.

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