Coffee Convos with Kail Lowry and Lindsie Chrisley - 7: Teen Mom 2 Cease and Desist, This is Us and Kim Kardashian

Episode Date: December 14, 2017

Major tea spilling at the start of this week's episode! Kail received a cease and desist letter from another cast member from Teen Mom 2! Lindsie shares her obsession with the popular TV show This is Us, and thinks anyone not watching the show should be. The couple discuss their shared dream of becoming FBI agents by discussing major cases like JonBenet Ramsey, OJ Simpson, Casey Anthony and also whether citizen's arrest is in fact a real thing. Kim Kardashian and her current pregnancy comes up in conversation. Is she expecting twins? Kail also talks about how she drank for the first time ever after putting all her kids to bed. They talk about it all, amongst many other things. Today's show is brought to you by Swap.com--for up to 40% off your first order, go to swap.com and use code COFFEECONVOS40. And for 20% off all gift subscriptions on birchbox.com/coffee & use code COFFEE. Hurry that offer is only good until Christmas! See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

Hey guys, we're back with coffee combos. It's Lindsay and Kale, and I just want to start off this episode with a little bit of drama. So are you ready for this story? I don't know, am I? You watch teen mom too, right? Yes. Okay, so you know who Janelle is. She sent me a cease and desist letter. Oh my gosh. Like, that's legal stuff. I have no idea why she sentenced me because I honestly don't talk about her or to her or anything. And, I, Literally the reason was for social media postings. What did it say? I can read it to you. I can pull it up. I'm about to pull it up right now. I just was like, I texted Chelsea and I was like, look at this. And she was like, oh my God, kill, that's like ridiculous.

And then literally the next day she got one. And then yesterday her mom, Babs, Janelle's mom, posted on Instagram that she also got one. So she's like sending them to the whole cast. I'm going to read it to you. She sent it to her mother? Yeah, her own mom. Oh, wow. Um, so she says that she, that I post defamatory statements about her and it affects her ability to secure employment in the future.

How can she prove that? Well, one, I don't ever post about her. And two, I don't care to post about her. And three, she literally had an article about me on her Instagram story, um, when I got the letter. Wow. So, like, you can't ask me or send me a cease and desist letter and then be talking about me. Right, because I think it, I think it's like a two-way street, you know, like, I think. Don't ask me to do something that you're doing. But I think actually whenever you sign something or come to an agreement or whatever, it's a two-way street.

So, like, you could basically, in return, send her that. And then it's literally like she's held to the same terms. But I'm not posting about her. So that's the whole thing. says, um, did she maybe like think you were posting about her, or did she send you anything specific that made her think? I don't know. I mean, the definition of defamation, I think is like trying to ruin someone's good reputation. Right. If you don't have a good reputation, anything that I say is probably a reaction to something that you did anyways, which would be my opinion. I think your action

would affect you being able to secure a job more than what my opinion on what you did is, right? Right. So I don't know why she would send this to me and all of our cast. Did everybody get the same letter? Everyone got the same letter. Me, Chelsea, Randy, Barbara. I don't know if Leah got one. See, I thought that. But I know that.

Like, y'all stayed out of the drama. I mean. Chelsea and I don't post about her or like talk about her or anything. But I... Did any producers or anything like that get them or just cast? I don't know. Because I actually don't even know if I'm supposed to talk about this, but I don't care because I'm not posting about it.

And you can't tell me I can't. voice my opinion. Right. Yeah, everybody has, like, they're entitled to their own opinions. I wasn't, you know what, the funny thing is that I wasn't even mad that I got the letter, I just kind of was, like, laughing because I don't know what the hell it was in reference to. She posted my phone number on Twitter last year. Let's not forget that. She posted my phone number on Twitter, but I never sent her a cease and desist letter. I'm pretty sure you can't do that. Wait, why did she push your phone number? Because she got mad at me. Oh my gosh. That would be horrible. I just needed to tell you that. I thought it was a little bit funny.

Why does it have to be so dramatic? Why can't everybody just get along? If you don't like me, we don't have to speak. Like, it's that simple. It's almost like you all have, the way I look at it is like you guys all have your own stories. You're all very like individual and you're collectively one show, but you don't, you know, really filmed together other than the reunions. So just don't see how it would be so hard to just like everybody be united for just the reunions.

Right. It would make life so much easier. One time her husband David told me to get off the couch and stop eating Cheetos, he posted that on my Instagram. So I just, I don't know. Like you felt like fat shamed or something? Well, it was just like, you guys are the ones posting about us. So it's just weird, you know. But anyway, we can move on.

I just wanted to tell you that little bit of drama that was going on this week. That's your weekly drama. Luckily, I don't have any weekly drama. Yeah. Well, that's good. I don't ever have any. That's great. Like, do I?

No, I don't think so. I would say no. I feel like it, I'm just like, you're pretty wholesome. So guys, let's take a break from all the drama. I want to tell you about this awesome website called swap.com, which is great for buying and selling used clothes. And as moms, we know how fast our kids grow out of everything. So this is perfect for that.

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really found the time to do it. And I was finally like, you know what? I just need to take the time, like slow down a little bit and find a show that I can get into. And this show is absolutely amazing. Well, what's it about? I've never seen it. I've heard about it. I know some of my friends watch it, but I don't know what it's about or anything like that. So basically one of the main characters, Rebecca gets pregnant with triplets and has a rough pregnancy. Okay. And so it kind of, it's one of those shows where you have to like really pay attention because it flashes back.

So it's like a flashback and then current. And basically what happens is she goes into labor. As the show starts, she like goes into labor and her doctor isn't there. And another doctor has to deliver her, which it's very relatable. like that would be very scary to me. And the doctor that delivers her is actually like a 70 year old man. And she's very terrified and he wants to like start warning them about, you know, the risk of having triplets and, you know, what could happen and whatever. And whatever and the husband wants to be very optimistic and, you know, like nothing's going to go wrong, whatever. And so she has the first baby and it's a boy. And then he has to rush her into emergency surgery to have a C-section to get the other two babies. The next one's a girl. And the last one, was a boy and he was still born. Wow. So it's like heart-wrenching. Like the show is like so sad. And so I just try to put myself in that situation where it's like, could you imagine, you know, going to the hospital and, you know, dealing with something like that? And you want to be like so thankful for the two kids that you have,

but you're also grieving the loss of one. Yeah. You're, you're in grief, but you should be like, it should be like the happiest time of your life, but you're grieving, you know? So he comes out, The doctor comes out and the wife is, you know, under and she's sleeping and comes out and talks to the dad and gives him like the greatest little kind of like pep talk, I guess you would say. And tells him about how he also had lost a child in the hospital, like when his wife went in to deliver and how it was something that really formed his life. And that's what made him want to deliver babies. Oh, wow. And so he wants to take like the good out of the bad situation. So in the meantime, there is a baby dropped off at the hospital.

An African-American baby dropped off at the hospital. Parents were drug addicts. And he gets dropped off and left. And these parents end up taking that baby home as their third baby. Oh my God. Stop. I'm going to cry. So they have the names already picked out before the kids were born and they were all K names.

Kevin, Kate. and Kyle. And so they name the one that was stillborn. They named the little boy that they bring home. What his name? Okay. And the mom is like having a really hard time and she's not connecting with the baby. He won't breastfeed, you know. She's like, I just don't feel the connection with his baby. With the new baby. With the new baby. Yeah. She's like, I just don't feel the connection. Like there's something not right, you know, whatever. Well, so when she was leaving the hospital, she sees the, this African-American man standing across the street, and she knows that that's the dad. So she goes looking on the public transportation.

It's like days later, she goes looking on public transportation for the man. She's like, do you know anybody that goes by the name, Shakespeare? And she finds him and goes and has a conversation with him. And she's like, I just need to know that, like, I wanted to see the situation, but I just need to know that if I'm going to raise him, like, I'm going to raise him as my own. And like, I don't want you to have anything to do with him. with him. Yeah. And so he promises that and she tells him that she's not connecting with the baby. And she said, basically I think she was like looking for confirmation from him. And he said, give him his own name because the name belonged to her son that she lost.

And so he, the dad who was, you know, on drugs, he basically read this to the, to the one of the one. woman that was pregnant with him, I guess his biological mother read him, read her poetry. And she, the poet's name was Randall. So she goes back and tells her husband, she doesn't tell him that she's seen the biological dad. He doesn't know. Okay. But she tells him that she, you know, found this book because the biological dad gave her the book. And she said she found this book, and she thought the name Randall fit him. So now they have Kyle, or Kevin, Kate, and Randall. Okay. And they grow up and they are all very different personalities and the storylines are just very like relatable things and I wrote down some stuff. So I'll tell you just like some of the storylines that were

very life relatable that I feel like anybody that would be watching the show would be able to relate to. Adoption like what it's like having siblings that were biological and you're not. Yeah. problems with marriage after having a baby because she kind of goes through a little bit of postpartum depression and has trouble connecting with the baby and yeah and it was kind of like she was tired and then she was grieving and like there's a lot of emotions at one time yeah a lot of emotions um effects on drugs with parenting yeah you know and how kids are the ones that suffer from that yeah you know um kids who are adopted seeking out their birth parents

after becoming of legal age. Right. Actually, when Randall becomes a grown man and he's very successful, he's an attorney, you know, he's like the, I would say, the most successful child from the three. Oh, wow. And he's very determined, and he becomes an attorney, he makes partner, and he actually ends up paying for a search to find his dad and found him. And when he found him, he had stage four stomach cancer.

Oh, wow. And so he's, like, helping him, but falling in love with him at the same time, because it's like a natural connection that he has with him that is biological. Yeah. And I feel like so many people probably go through that that are adopted. You know, they want to know kind of where they came from, whether it's good or bad. But I wanted to know who my dad was. Yeah.

I never met him. Even if it was a bad situation, you still wanted to know what it was, right? I wanted to know. I wanted to decide for myself what the situation was and how I felt about it. Right. Grief after losing a child, you know. I mean, I don't know what that would be like. and I pray to God that I never have to experience that

because I truly think that as a parent, you should never have to bury your child. But I couldn't imagine that, and I know a lot of people could probably relate to that. And, you know, I think just the storylines are just so relatable. It's something that you're going to have to watch. At some point, you can relate to it on some type of level. And the sister, the, the, the, the, the,

that's biological. His name's Kevin and he is like an actor or whatever wants to be and he the sister basically like takes care of him. He can't do anything on his own but she struggles with weight and she's like in a fat, you know, fat class and all this kind of stuff and she only can ever focus on being overweight and she feels like she's nothing else other than that and she meets somebody like while she's going to these classes and like falls in love with him. Oh. So. cute. Yeah, it's really cute. Like, it's a really good show. Like, you need to make time to sit down and watch it. Sit down and watch it. I will. And like you said, you drank for the first time after putting your kids to bed. Yeah, I don't ever, like, I hear about all my mom friends that are like,

all when the kids go to bed and, you know, I drink, I drink a bottle, a glass of wine or something. Like, I did that and I look like, oh my gosh, this is great. This is the greatest thing in the world. Ever. Yeah, like, I've never done it, but I feel like that would be something that you could do. Like, maybe not drink too much wine because you might be like a major ball. all of like sadness. No, yeah, no. I'll just have like a glass of wine, watch the show. Would be cute.

Yeah. I just lately have been going to bed at the same time as my kids because I get so tired. I know. But no, I'll definitely carve out some time for that. Maybe when the boys are with their dads. You have to and you can watch it on the NBC app. Oh, cool. You just put in like your provider for your TV.

I watched it on my phone like three episodes last night. Oh, wow. Yeah, that would be cool. It's so good. Also, I don't know. The show, I immediately fell in love with it because of Mandy Moore. Like I'm obsessed with Mandy Moore and I've been obsessed with her. She was a good. That would have been. I was going to say she would have been good for our 90s conversation.

I know. She was like a big in the 90s. Right in the 90s? Yeah. And did you watch the movie a walk to remember? I did watch that movie. Yeah. Why do I get so invested in these movies? Like I think they're real life. And I know. When I see her in something else or I see an actor in something else. I can't remove them from like. There's a name for that. I forget what the name is called when you like Aaron Samuels from Mean Girls. He can never play another character anywhere else. Because he is Aaron Samuels. Yes. And I can't remove. Like, I literally think she has cancer. You know, and like she dies. You know what I mean? Because I'm so invested in the movie.

But, like, she's still here. But, like, she's still here, you know? And then, of course, like, Justin Hartley, like, he doesn't love looking at Justin Hartley. Like, he's a gorgeous man. And then my other show that I bingeed was Mind Hunter. And I've never even heard of that one. Basically, it's like two FBI agents, fighting.

the departmental stigma of backroom boys. They're trying to basically develop like these innovative investigative ways based off of psychology of these serial killers. Like they're interviewing them and trying to figure them out? Yeah, they basically go an interview. That's like more up my alley for sure. And try to figure them out. So obviously they're not talking to like the real like serial killers. But they're talking to people. who are like acting like them and they go like like people who have similar personalities no no no it's like people acting like they were the serial killer they're like incarcerated oh they are okay i see what you're saying they really weren't the ones that committed the crime no no but they're it's like a reenactment

of them talking to that person okay and they're trying to figure out you know commonalities between these serial killers, like, for example, most serial killers are bedwetters, like past the age seven or something like that. And they have like very specific. So it's like the psychology behind all of it. Yes, it's psychology behind all of it. And they're going and like talking to all these people and like basically figuring it out. Okay. That's pretty cool. That's more, I watch a lot of, um, ID channel. I like Homicide Hunter with Joe Kenna. Kenda. Yeah.

So, like, tell me about that shot. It's just this guy, it's like real life. So this guy is a homicide detective and he's solved over 400 murders and they just tell his story and like he goes back and like tells the stories of like the cases that he solved. And a lot of them are crazy.

Yeah. I want to say it's Colorado Springs or it might be Denver. One of those. I think it's Colorado Springs. And it's like real life. Yeah, it's like the real stories of like cases that he solved. So like, yeah, I'm obsessed with that one. It's so crazy. And like web of lies is another one I watch on ID channel. It's like how like murders or something like have happened by meeting people on the internet. Yeah, you would definitely like mine hunter. It basically is like a show that, you know, like the serial killer that killed like went to the colleges and killed sororities. Oh my gosh. That's horrible. It's horrible. It's follows, you know, and you kind of get like in detail, like the psychology behind why they're doing it. They either have an estranged relationship like with their mother, with their father or a relationship that's like an unhealthy relationship that's been like a festering issue for their whole life. And then they like finally act out. Oh, wow. Like one of the serial killers, for example, like his mother was like very overbearing and would basically lash out at him.

so he would basically go and kill animals and then like bury them outside her bedroom door or like her bedroom window or whatever. That's so creepy. And it just continued to get worse and worse and worse. Yeah. So I guess it's like a kind of once you get away with things, you like take it a little bit further, a little bit further every time. There has to be some type of like mental thing with that though.

Oh yeah. Like you mentally can't be like all there to be doing stuff. But really truly most serial killers aren't. not dumb people. No. Which is crazy because you would think that you would have to be like really stupid to do stuff like that, but they're actually like intellect. Calculating.

Yeah. Like very calculating. So I think that you would like it. And we both basically want to be like the FBI. No, definitely want to be in the FBI. Have you ever, I've always wanted to do a ride along? No, I don't think I can handle it in real life. Like I think it sounds like I want to be like a homicide detective, but I also don't think

I could handle it. No, I couldn't go into a crime. scene. No. I couldn't do that. No. But I could definitely like, I want to do a ride along and see like what cops deal with on a daily basis, you know, like to ride for a shit. Like a detective or like a regular cop. You know, like a regular cop. Yeah, like a regular cop. Like I don't think I could go into like a crime scene. Yeah, no. I don't think I could do either one of it to be honest. And I've always wondered about citizens arrest too. What's that? Like where you can like arrest another citizen. Like is it like for real? Like you would arrest somebody? Yeah. Like if somebody's like breaking. You. Like, if somebody's like breaking.

the law and like you know they're breaking the law, then... I don't think you can do that. Can you arrest somebody? No. Or like, would you get arrested for trying to arrest somebody? Probably. That's not real. I've always wanted a citizen and arrest somebody. Like, if I saw you breaking the law, I would be like, kill, citizens arrest.

Because you even know, you have, you don't even have your Miranda rights memorized. I have the right to remain silent. Anything you say can't... I don't think it starts like that? What? Do you have an attorney? Would you like us to provide you one? No, that's not how it starts.

Yeah, it is. You have their right to remain silent. Anything you say can and will be against you in the court of law. If you do not have an attorney. Yes, you're right. One will be provided for you. Yeah. Okay. But you don't have the handcuffs to. I know. You couldn't like literally like put your hands on somebody. But would somebody stay? Like if I told you, if you were breaking the law, like I saw you. I saw you. I was like, citizens arrest. I'm calling please. I don't think that's a thing. I'm going to look it up right now. But that's definitely not a thing, Lindsay. I don't think that you can just arrest. somebody, citizens arrest? Yeah. Well, then I'm arresting Janelle for falsely accusing me of posting about her on social media. I think they have to be like breaking the law. Okay, wait, citizens, citizens, not like civil, to be like legal. Because I could, I would think that you could, a citizen's arrest is an arrest made by a person who is not acting as a sworn law enforcement

official. In common law jurisdictions, the practice dates back to medieval England and the English common law in which sheriffs encouraged ordinary citizens. to help apprehend lawbreakers. But that's not a thing now. That would be me. Because I'm pretty sure then you can turn around and arrest them for like assault for touching you. I don't care. I would be the first arrester.

So they couldn't arrest me if I arrested them. Well, you better learn some jiu-jitsu because someone is for sure going to try to take you down if you try to touch them. Like I'm not playing around. If I saw you breaking the law, that's the next time, next time I see you breaking the law, I'm going to be like your citizens arrested. When did I ever break the law? Your citizens arrested and I'm calling the police. Okay, so you're not really arresting me. No, like I'm not going to actually touch you. I'm just going to be like, would you stay there? Would you run?

I wouldn't leave. I would laugh at you and I would get in my car. So you're running from the police now. You're not the police. That's not a thing. I'm a citizen acting as a law enforcement agent. Oh my gosh. You're not acting. No. Yes. That's not a thing. Yes. Absolutely not. Okay. So it might not be a thing in real life anymore, but it used to be a thing. Yeah, from what I've read. Yeah. Okay, guys. So I have to tell you guys about Birch Box, which is super cool because for me, I'm just now getting into beauty. And BirchBox is cool because you get a bunch of different sample and regular size items. And it just is perfect for a gift and for whatever you want to use it for. And it really is the gift that keeps giving because it starts at $30. And they are available in

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Yeah. Literally, I think out of all like the murder stuff and mystery things that I've watched, that was probably the craziest case I've ever seen. I don't see how they didn't solve it. I think that there was a lot of money involved and I think people were paid off. And there was a lot of, I wouldn't say corruption, but maybe they kind of like ruined crime scenes by negligence. I would say negligence. So I believe the mom had something to do with it.

The dad probably covered for his wife. And the son knew. But he was so young that what was he going to do? But like how did it happen? This is all just my opinion, by the way. Okay. Yeah. These are our opinions. We are not. I'm not a detective. Orsonant agents or detectives or the FBI for real. We just think we are. I think that it was an accident that they covered up. But what do you think happened? Like what do you think like literally happened? I don't know because there was so much stuff that I feel like. You watched it. I watched it. And I think, Okay, so she was a bedwetter. Yeah.

And in the investigation, they said that she had wet the bed like that night, but then there was places on the bed that she had wet that had not been cleaned. So I don't know if it was a situation where, like, the mom was, like, trying to prove a point to her. It made her mad. So she made her sleep in, like, the pee or something. I think the mom, like, acted out of anger maybe. I think so, too. And I think that she, I think she probably,

didn't mean to kill her. But I think it, maybe she, like, wet the bed, maybe she cried out. And then the mom got mad. It was like the middle of the night. And then she killed, I think. Like, out of anger. Or, like, there was an accident and then they, do you think that she hit her with a flashlight?

She, like, went unconscious or something. And then they, instead of, like, getting help, they, like, put her in the basement. They killed her. Yeah. I don't think a stranger ever broke into that house. I don't think that there was ever a stranger in that house. Me neither. think that did you watch the part where it said the mom was like she still had on the same clothes?

Yes. You don't put on the same clothes. You don't put back on the same clothes. But the thing that struck me was as a woman, she had on all of her jewelry. It was almost like she never went to bed. Right, because she was up all night doing something that she shouldn't have been doing. And it's very strange to me. I have kids, obviously. And they wake up early. They're waking up early. They're not sleeping in until one, two, three o'clock in the afternoon. Yep. And in that document, They said that the brother, who was, I think, was he six or seven at the time? He was older than her, but I don't think by a ton. He was really young, supposedly slept until, like, late in the afternoon.

No, you told your son to not come out of that room. Yeah, I agree. Because there's no way that your kid, no matter how late. My kids went to bed after we went to the movies, like I told you. And they, we got home late, like a little bit after 11. They went to bed by time midnight. They were up at 7 o'clock in the morning. It doesn't matter what time, like.

Like, they're staying, they're getting up, they're going to bed late and they're still getting up early. So to me, I think something happened. Doesn't matter what time I put Jackson to bed. He's getting up by 8 a.m. Oh, yeah. Like, period. A hundred percent. Whether he goes to bed at 1 o'clock, it doesn't matter. So I think, do you think that something happened with like the, was it a flashlight or something? They showed like a, no, a paintbrush, I thought. I think it was a flashlight or something like that that it showed they were doing like a test on a skull and how it matched like the exact. Oh, I didn't, I must have missed that part. Did we watch the same documentary? And there was something Also, the ransom letter was like matched the moms. They said it was inconclusive, but it matched

the mom's handwriting because it was like, you know, like if you write with your left hand or like you, you try to write differently with your dominant hand, you always go back to your natural handwriting. So unless you're completely focused on, and the ransom letter was so like to a T. Well, and how would they have known, how would somebody have known the exact number of his bonus? So like that's so random. And it's on the back steps. Nobody's going to go in a house and and like spend all their time looking for a pen and paper, commit the crime and write the ransom letter all in the house that you commit it all in. Do you know what I'm saying? And then to put it on the backstead. She was dead the whole time. So the whole point of the ransom note was just dumb. And the dad like knew exactly where she was. Yes. Yes. So to me, I mean, you're not going to be able to commit something like that and then write the ransom note and then nobody hears you, nobody anything. And then the pineapple on the table, it only had the Burke, which is the brother and the mom's fingerprints on it. Right. And there was fresh pineapple in her stomach. Oh, wow. Yeah. Wow. I didn't see that part. I think we watched two different documentaries. But there were two different ones. I think Lifetime did one and then. I saw the one. I think it was on Netflix or something. But yeah. So that was that. Well, so I don't know like what actually happened. But I have my theories. And again, like we aren't investigators or detectives. These are just our opinions. I actually saw. I wanted to watch that because Chelsea tweeted about it. I was like, oh my gosh, I need to see this. I didn't hear about the case prior to.

Yeah, prior to. Yeah, someone tweeting me about it or tweeting about it. What about the OJ Simpson thing? Oh, God. I definitely think OJ did it. So actually, funny, because I met somebody who was part of the FBI team who did the lie detector test on him. He took one? Yeah, he took a lie detector test.

And apparently the reason that the glove didn't fit was because he was on medication for blood pressure. and he had gone off of his medication, so he had swelled up. And so that's why the glove didn't fit. See, like, there's so much, like, involved with it that you don't hear about, and that's crazy. And I think that it's just too, it almost, to me, was, like, too personal of a crime. Oh, yeah. That's, like, a crime of passion. Yeah, for it to have been anybody else.

I agree, 100%. I think that he realized the situation and I think he was just like panicking. You know, like I think it was like a panic situation. First off, if you haven't done anything, why would you be driving down the freeway? Running away from, freaking out. Yeah, if you haven't done anything. Because if I was in that situation and I hadn't done anything, I would just let them arrest me, let them question me, whatever they wanted to ask and be done with it. Like, if you haven't done anything wrong, there's no reason for you to run.

Like, I feel like that shows your guilt. Okay, I will say this. So, you know, last year I did marriage boot camp, and in one of the drills, we had to do a lie detector test. I was telling the truth. Right. And I still felt like it made me so nervous that I felt like it was going to come up that I was lying. So that experience, like literally they asked is they do a whole series of questions before you get to the actual questions that you want to know. Because they were trying to test like your heart rate and like, yeah.

And all of that. And so, like, they said, is your name, Kaelin? Yes. I'm obviously, that's my name. But I was freaking out so bad that I'm like, this is going to come up, but I'm lying. Is today Tuesday? And you can only say yes or no answers. And so, like, that made me even feel it was Tuesday, but I was, I felt like I was lying. Right. So knowing that I did a lie detector test in such a non-high pressure, like, scenario, if I had to do another one, I don't know if I would agree to it. Just because they are, I mean, yeah, I guess if I'm telling the truth, of course, but also you still feel like you're lying even though you're not. But I feel like your heart rate would be kind of, it's going to have a variation because even though you're nervous and you're answering those, that's why they do it. Yeah, I can see that.

You're nervous when you're answering like, yes, my name's Kailen. But you're also like going to be nervous when it's Tuesday or. Yeah, it was so nervous. Then if somebody's like, did you kill somebody, your heart rate's going to do something different if you're lying. Yeah, yeah, I could, yeah. I just, even though I was telling the truth, I would still be, I feel like, hesitant to agree to another lie detector test. And also, they don't hold up in court. So I'm, I guess I'm confused as to why they did it.

Did it? Yeah. They're not admissible in court, I don't think. And I don't think, Chambona Ramsey's parents, I don't think they agreed to one. Which is sketchy. Which is sketchy. That's very sketchy. Because if you're, honestly, like, even if you're nervous, if you are innocent, you're going to agree to it regardless.

Right, right. What about moving on from the OJ case? What about Casey Anthony? Oh, she's guilty 100%. Guilty. What do you think happened? She killed her daughter and then went on a month for like, oh my gosh, that case pissed me off so much. Why?

Because I just felt like, what are you, like, how did she? I know that you can't, what is the word that I'm looking for, that it's like circumstantial evidence? But like, I feel like the case was. I feel like. It was against her for sure. She definitely is guilty. She's such a liar, though. And do you think that she was really sexually abused? No. I think that was a complete lie. Yeah, I agree. Did she take a lie detector test? I don't remember.

I can't remember if she did her or not. And she made up Elmoralda or whoever was the Nala or Esmeral. Somebody was a nanny and was like, babysitting that was made up. Yeah, that was completely made up. Who was paying for that? She wasn't, and her mom didn't know about her. Yeah. No, that whole case made me so mad. There was so many things that she lied about that even if she was telling the truth, I wouldn't believe her because she was caught in so many lies. Right.

You know? So there had to have been other things that she should have been in jail for, right? And they said when you watch the, like the documentary or any of the stuff that was like going on with it, if you followed along like while it was live and stuff. There was just something about her personality that just like wasn't right. Well, it's like she could switch her emotions, like on... On a dime. Yeah. Yes.

And I think her mom, there's something weird about her mother. Well, her mother probably was like, well, that's my daughter. So I need to help cover it. Yeah. Yeah. I almost think that she wanted to go out. And I think that she tried to, like, sedate the baby enough to Kaylee enough to get her to sleep. And I think like it was a disaster.

I think it was like a situation gone bad. Like I don't necessarily know if she... She Googled how to do something with chloroform. Oh, no. I think that she intentionally used the chloroform, but I don't think she tried to use it to a deadly point. I think that that's just what happened. That's insane. I think she wanted...

She probably couldn't afford it and she probably wanted to just live this young life and she was living basically a double life. She didn't work at Disney World. Remember that? Or Universal. Universal. Yeah. She didn't work at Universal. and they went to try to check her employment

and said that she had not worked there. I just feel like there had to have been some things that they could have put her away for. Yeah. Maybe not murder, but I mean, you put the child in harm's way. You were negligent. You didn't notify of a missing person

for 30 or more days, whatever it was, and then you get a tattoo while your daughter's missing. Like, what do you mean? I mean, it's crazy. If you guys would also like to be a part of the fake FBI tweet us and let us know if you think that Casey Anthony did it, if you think OJ did it, and what happened to John Bonnet. Yeah, okay. So moving on to our next topic, Kim Kardashian and her pregnancy.

Yeah, I haven't really been following the story too closely because I'm not, I don't really watch or keep up with Kim very much. But I did hear that she has a surrogate. So she teased that she and Kanye were having twins. Like she teased that. And then she announced that she was having a girl on Ellen. So she's not having twins? Just a girl? So we don't know.

Okay. Because she has a surrogate. So apparently the surrogate was six months pregnant, but she was photographed with a large baby bump. I couldn't find the photograph. So does this mean that like... But there's also rumored. that Kylie is pregnant, so could she be the surrogate? I don't know.

I saw, my friends actually said in the group text that we have, that they flew a drone over Kylie Jenner's house and they were having a baby shower with all-girl stuff. So is that for Kylie or is that for Kim? Because maybe Kylie hosted Kim's baby shower. True. But maybe Kylie is pregnant with Kim's baby. True. And then on October the 23rd, Kim tweeted about, does anyone know,

who makes the best double stroller, not a tiny compact one, but a regular size one. Well, how old is Saint? Well, he's still little, too. So it makes you wonder, like, would she want it for Saint and the baby, or would she want it for two babies? Because if I had, if Isaac and Lincoln would have been like two years apart, I would have got a double stroller. But they're four years apart, so obviously I don't need one. Same thing for Lux and Lincoln. Lincoln's four.

The baby's new, so I don't need one. But if the kids were only one or two years apart, then you might need a double stroller. And supposedly the surrogate has been spotted with like a very large baby bump, which is... But how do we feel about that? I feel like that's almost like you're trying to compete with Beyonce. Like, let's stop. Well, I mean, I just think that that's just relative to like whoever's pregnant, you know? Like I didn't start showing until I was literally like six or seven months pregnant. Oh, see, I don't...

I started showing like as soon as I peed on a stick. You know what I mean? So, but you were probably like, I got large and in charge very early on. So you can't, it's by the woman, you know, just because the surrogate got large quickly, doesn't mean that she's- Anything that she's having twins. Yeah. But maybe, I don't know. But then Kim told Ellen that a psychic relayed that she would have twins in 2018.

Oh, Jesus. And she said, a psychic emailed me the other day and said, you're going to have twins in 2018. So, like, is she pregnant with twins? Is that going to? Because usually she doesn't, like, tell anything about her pregnancies, you know? So normally until she's going to have the baby, it's like, you don't know if it's a boy or a girl. You don't know what the name's going to be, whatever. I wonder what outrageous name she's going to name this kid.

I know. I don't. Northwest, St. West. What else? And I wonder if they picked the sex. Oh, yeah. Maybe they are getting one of each. Maybe they.

Wow. If I get that right, I'm a psychic myself. But how do you feel? feel about surrogacy. I mean, I'm down for it. I think it's like a great option for people who can't, you know, carry a child. I've always thought about, I had such like a fun pregnancy. Like I loved being pregnant that I've thought about like being a surrogate for somebody. Yeah. But I don't know if I could do it because I feel like I would be so connected to the baby that you wouldn't be able to. You know, I know somebody who was a surrogate three times. She surrogated. Is that a thing? She would,

carried, she carried. Twins, boys for a couple. She carried, and then two other times. And she wanted to do it again, but then there was like issues with it. Right. So she didn't go through with the fourth one, I guess. But her advice was just that if you are considering surrogacy, that you want to wait until you've completed your own family.

Like you've had all the kids that you want to have because if there's ever a complication in it or something like that, you would want your own family to be complete before you help someone else complete theirs. But I don't know, I think it's a good thing. That's really good advice. Yeah. I think it's a cool thing and I think, I don't know. Like with me being on the fence of like wanting another child,

I don't think like now would be the time for me. No, probably not. Yeah, I don't think so. And I know that there's a lot of things that go into it. Like you have to give yourself injections and hormones and all kinds of things. Well, it's almost like you were at the mercy of another like family. I guess in a sense you feel like you're kind of controlled by that family for the whole time you're pregnant, you know,

because you are carrying their child and you have to remember that, that it's a job. Yeah, and your partner has to be on board with it and make sure that they're okay with taking care of you while you're carrying someone else's child. And I don't know, I think there's a lot of things that go into it. I just, you know, pregnancy is really hard on the body. Yes. But, I mean, I don't know. Like, I realistically think that I couldn't do it because emotionally, I think I would be, even though I knew, I know it wouldn't be like my child, even though you carry it, I feel like you have a natural connection with whatever would be like inside your body.

Right. Yeah, I could agree with that for sure. Like you feel it's first kicks, you know, do all of that stuff. Morning sickness. Yes. Yeah. Yeah. So basically I probably wouldn't be a surrogate. But do we think Kylie's pregnant? Yes or no? I think it's probably true.

I do too, because otherwise you just deny it. Yeah. I mean. You would just say no. I'm not pregnant. Yeah, I mean, I haven't. Is Chloe pregnant? Is that a thing? Everybody's saying that like every Kardashian sister's pregnant. I've read an article about every Kardashian sister being pregnant. Oh, wow.

Okay. I don't think that Courtney's pregnant. I think if she got pregnant again, I think she would seriously get pregnant with Scott. You think? Yeah. I think she's not pregnant. Just because she already has three kids with him. Yeah.

But naturally she would. Just go back to him if she wanted to have another one. Yeah. Okay. If it's only about having the kids, and I think that that's probably like what it's about for her. But yeah. I don't know. What a strange.

I guess we'll find out in a few months. Yeah. Yeah. We'll give you guys an update. whenever we find out. And we'll see how right we were or wrong. So I want to talk about like communication and relationships. Yeah. And like how important that is on like the survival like I guess like the survival of a relationship like text messages versus phone calls long distance versus I guess like living close like in like a romantic relationship or just relationships in general like friendships

relationships everything. I think romantic relationships. I don't really like. I don't really like talking on the phone. But I think that's just across the board for me. Like even like no matter who it is. You'd rather talk on the phone than to text. If I've got something like really important to say, I want to pick up the phone and like, talk about it. Call and talk about it and just like get it over with instead of send the text. But at the same time, I feel like you hide behind the comfort of a text message. If it's something that's like a little sensitive, I feel like I would be like would you break up with someone over a text message? Yeah. Or would you call them? Yeah. You would break up with it. them over a text. Yeah. Okay. Because I feel like it would be too sad to like call and like I don't want to

hear somebody like cry or like be sad or yeah. I don't think I'd break up with them at all. I think I'd just stop texting calling. I just okay so you would ghost probably yeah because I don't want to I don't I know but I don't I don't want to let anyone down well you're you are letting them down like by not talking to them at all like both are a let down so I'd rather just they have like zero closure when you do that. Like when you ghost someone, it's like... I didn't know there was a term for that. Yeah, I feel like ghosting, it's so insensitive because you're not thinking about the other person's feelings at all. You're literally cutting them off with zero closure. And like, how is that fair to other person? Like the...

I guess it depends on the situation. Like... You at least, like, owe them, like, the decency to be like, hey, like this isn't going to work. And like, unfortunately, it's not working for me. And I don't know how, like, you feel about it. Like, you might feel the same. But. Well, I'm ghosted on Lux's dad multiple times before we had Lux. So.

Oh my gosh. For cheating. Like, I saw I'm cheating. I don't need to say. That's a different situation. I don't owe you an explanation. I saw you cheating. And now we're not going to talk for the next six weeks.

Yeah. But that's a, that's a whole different situation. Like, what if somebody was, like, completely innocent party? And like, you just weren't feeling it anymore. Oh. I mean, I've never really experienced that. But if I did, I feel like I would give them closure, but I have never, that's not a thing. It's not a thing.

No. I just think, like, if you do me wrong, I'm going to just cut you off. Like, that's it. Yeah. What about, okay, so text messages, do you prefer communicating text messages or a phone call? Depends on the person. I don't really like to talk on the phone. Like, you're probably one of the only people I talk to on the phone.

You and one of my friends were like, you guys, you too. are the only girls that I really talk to on the phone. I won't choose talking on the phone over her text. I just like don't. So do you just answer her because you're like they're going to keep calling? No, because I know that you talk on the phone and like I'll like my friend Kristen like I talk to her on the phone regularly because I know like I have so much to say or like she would just bounce off each other whatever but I can be like okay I got to go and hang up on her also. But like some people it's like awkward. If you hung up on me I would probably be like I'm not talking to her for five days.

No, like, I mean, like, if I, like, had to go, like, oh, my God, I'm running into the store, like, I'll talk to you later. Oh, yeah. Like, some people, it's, like, awkward to get off the phone with them. So, like, I don't want to even talk to you on the phone. Not you, but, like, in general. So I'd rather just text you. Why can't you, why can't just be, like, got to go, be a thing? Because people are offended by that. Okay. So how do you feel about long-distance relationships versus, like, living close? At this point in my life, I want to be in a long-distance relationship because I don't have the energy or time to put into someone every single day. Right. So, like, I want to see you for periods of time and then you can go home. We can have our space. I can get a chance to miss you.

And then we can come back together. Right. So you're not looking for like a relationship where it's like got to be together like 24-7? No, absolutely not. I just, I literally pour myself into my kids daily and I just don't have it in me. to do that. I don't like those types of relationships just like in general. Like I've never been that girl to want to be like with somebody 24-7, like never have a break.

Yeah. You know, like I'm rushed into it. Yeah. Like I can't, that stresses me out. It's like I, at the end of the day, I really like to take a shower, put my kid to bed, you know, eat dinner. Have time to yourself a little bit. You know, I like that separation.

Yeah. And, you know, fortunately, I'm allowed to have. have that separation. So that's good. Like, it's really good. But at the same time, you like having someone there too. Yeah. But you got to find that medium. FaceTime comes in. Yeah. That's where face time comes in. Yeah. I mean, like, I feel like what you just described with like being around each other 24-7 was first of all, hobby and I were so young. Yeah. And we were together 24-7. Like once we were, I like was like not wanting to like make it official. Yeah. But we were together all the time. Like we would start picking. picking each other over our friends.

It would be weird if it wasn't official at that point. Yeah. And then he, like, moved in so quick. We were married by one year. We were already married. And we rushed into it. Where, like, now I'm 25 and I'm like, okay, I need my space for a while. I want to get to know you.

We don't have to be up each other's asses 24-7. We can spend some time together, go our separate ways. We don't need to live together or anything like that. Like, I'm definitely into, like, the long-distance thing right now, but not too long distance. Like, I don't want it to be like I have to get on a flight to see you. Right. Like, I'm good with, like, two, three hours.

hour drive. You do your thing at work, go to school, whatever. I do my thing with the kids, whatever. Right. You don't want basically somebody to like tie you down right now. No. Yeah. See, Will and I, whenever we were in college, we were literally inseparable. Like, if he wasn't playing baseball, you were together. We were together. That's how me and Hobby were. If he wasn't at work, we were together. And like, I enjoyed it. Like, at that point at that time. Yeah, but like now that we're older. Yeah. I think whenever you get older, it's just kind of like one of those things where it's like you develop like your independent and like you know what you want you know you want your space yes like I don't think that I could no I just I like to have a little bit of my own space especially because like I'm

overstimulated after like getting the kids to bed anyway from having you know I've had kids hang on me all day if it's not you know Isaac and Lincoln it's you know I have luck with me all the time so I kind of want just like my down time to like do you ever feel guilty though because like I feel like as a mom that sometimes I get like frustrated and it's like I'm like I'm sorry and it's like I I just want time to myself. Mm-hmm. And then it's almost like when you finally get your quiet, when you sit there, it's like you kind of feel guilty because you felt like you needed that time to yourself.

Like I feel like I'm... I think like this trip, for example, how I don't have luck with me. Yeah. I feel guilty. Right. Because why should I put my child on someone else so that I can come do this? Right. But then the other part of me is like, okay, I also needed this because, like I told you yesterday,

I landed and I slept. I probably slept for 10 hours. So I recharge, go back home, I can be a better mom. And this is also the first time that I really truly left him. So part of me feels guilty, but also part of me knows that I need that to be the best mom that you can be. And I think that's come along with just having, because you have Isaac who's seven. So I think that's something that, like, you've developed over the years because it's taken me almost five years to develop that with having Jackson. You know, it's like you need that separation of having fulfillment. other places in your life other than just being a mom. And you don't want to just be defined as a mom. Just mom. You know, it's like I'm, I can be other things. Like you can work and you can be a friend and you can be, yeah, I agree with that. And I think it's good for your kids too because as much as they need you, they need to learn to in a sense be without you not for like long periods of time. Right. But they need to learn to cope with kind of not having you there 24-7 because, you know, you are going to have to work and you are going to have to like do other things other than just be a mom sometimes and that's okay and it's taking me a long time to get to the point of saying like that's okay yeah I mean Lux is about to be four months old yeah and I'm not left him like I don't want to leave him so now it's like okay he's four months he's just about sleeping through the night I can just step away for literally two days so I can come do this and then go back home and I'm a you know I won't leave him again for weeks so you're in a better place it's like you're recharge like

You've had girl time. You've hung out with your friends. You know, you've been able to go out to eat without changing a diaper from somebody a bottle and get work done and then go back home. That's so funny. That's so funny, though. The other night I had, I told you I took all my nieces and nephews and I, so I had six kids. You're brave. Well, my kids have been asking for their cousins for so long and she's a single mom of four. I'm a single mom of three. And so like I understand. I was like, can I have the three big kids because her youngest one is pretty young. I said, can I have the three big kids because, you know, my kids have been asking for them. So she was like, yeah, absolutely.

I took them for the whole weekend from Thursday to Sunday. Oh my gosh. I'm sure she was like, yeah, go ahead. And the youngest one went with their dad. And so she had a free weekend. She worked and, you know, did whatever. And we went to the movies. We went for food.

Oh, my gosh. It was crazy. But they did play outside of for a lot of it. But, you know, they went home. So what were the ages? Okay. So Mia is my niece and she's eight. Isaac is seven.

The twins are six. There'll be seven. There's twins. There's twins. And then Lincoln is four. And then Lux is almost four months. Oh my gosh. So I had all of them.

We went to the movies. It was a great time. But they played outside a lot. We did whatever. And when they went home Sunday, because I had them all weekend. I was like, I'm going to have a drink. and I know, you know, I'm not a drinker. I don't drink.

And I had like a Mike's Hard Lemonade, which is like 5% alcohol, whatever. And I was like, wow, this is nice. Like I understand why people drink when they put their kids to bed or they're gone or whatever. And I was like, this is. Everyone always tells me that. They're like, you haven't lived your best life yet because you don't drink. Yeah, but something little. Like it literally is like, I think maybe less than 5% alcohol.

But it like made me feel nice to like sit down on the couch and like just collect myself after such a crazy weekend. Yep. And it was fine. And then I went to bed. Well, you did have six kids. That's a little different than having three. Yeah. But. I mean, after three, I think it's what's another. Yeah. No. For sure not. That's kind of where I'm at. I'm like, I just need one for right now. I'm good with that. I feel like you should try this wink where you fill out a quiz online. And then you can have wine shipped to your door. You can. I filled out the quiz this week. You did? Okay. So did it find, did you find a wine that you, that they selected for you? It was such an easy process. I started with the quiz. literally two seconds to create the account. They recommended two red wines for me and two white.

I'm not a red wine drinker, but I do, I think I would do like Mascado if it's, if they did. I feel like, but when you go in and like select, you know. What you like, it kind of matches you. Yeah. And pairs. Okay. So it was two cabernets, a white blend and a chardonnay. Then you can try it at night after you get Jackson to bed. You have some time to yourself, downtime. And then you can try it. Yes. Nobody's saying we're getting drunk. Yeah. Nobody's saying that. One or two drinks. And you can. And you can. invite your friends over and maybe watch like this is us. You know what? I will do that. Let's tell our followers about where to go for a wink then.

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