Coffee Convos with Kail Lowry and Lindsie Chrisley - 70: Game of Clones, Child Support, & Jordyn Woods

Episode Date: March 14, 2019

Kail & Lindsie talk about Game Of Clones, why Kail did it & how it was different from any other show she's done. Kail catches us up on Teen Mom drama & what it's like to watch it. They discuss the Jordyn Woods/Kardashian scandal & give their take on the situation. Kail talks about how she can relate to a man like Tristan Thompson & why she hopes she'll never go back. They give advice about living together before marriage.

Hey, Lindsay, welcome to Coffee Combos. Are you welcoming me or the listeners? I'm welcoming all of the above because it's been so long since we've caught up on regular shit and current events, so I'm excited. I have a lot of questions for you, but before we get started on that, I just wanted to say that for the listeners, we really want to bring y'all the best show that we possibly can every week, and we get a lot of, like, 50-50 reviews. A lot of people like us having guests all the time, a lot of people like it just being

us, and we just kind of want to know what you guys prefer. Do you like it just us on a weekly basis with an occasional guest, or do you like the guest, or do you like a good combination of them? If you guys would just go to our Instagram and comment on any of the pictures, let's say the last picture that's posted and just let us know what you prefer. Yeah, that's actually a really good point. I would vote the combination, of course. I mean, of course, because we don't think we're as interesting as what you guys think,

so we're like, oh yeah, bring on all the guests. Everybody loves to hear the good conversations, and some of our guests are really, really funny, so I'm kind of about it. But just let us know, and of course, we're going to provide, like, a mix of what people say. So, Kale? Yes? I have a lot of questions about Game of Clones, and a lot of other people have sent us tons

of direct messages about your adventures with Game of Clones. So please rewind back in life to a year ago and tell everybody about your experience, why you decided to do Game of Clones, and the finale was just yesterday, right? Last night. Yeah. So actually, it's really funny that you say that because one of the guy that I picked just texted me. He wants to be on the podcast.

Actually, they all want to be on the podcast, and I said, you know what, we can definitely make this happen because that would be hilarious. So two of them live in LA, which is where we'll be, what, in, like, two weeks? So I feel like we should maybe have one on. I don't know why I chose to do Game of Clones. They asked me to do it, and I was like, why would you all even want me on this fricking show? So really, you just did it.

I wasn't really thinking. I don't think. That's a pretty typical thing for you. Yes. I mean, once I got there, I was like, wow, this is more work. You wouldn't think of it this way, but once I got there and was filming for it, I was like, this is more work than I've ever done for Teen Mom or any Marek Boot Camp or any of the other shows that I've done.

It was a lot, and I had a good time doing it. It was kind of frustrating because it was a completely different reality filming setup than I've ever done before, so I was a little frustrated, but the guys were a good time. They were good energy. They were all funny, but then I went through a little phase of being embarrassed that I did it, and I was like, don't post it. I was telling the people, don't post it. I'm not doing this.

I didn't know it was going to air because obviously it's airing a year fricking later, and then I watched it, and I was like, wow, this is so corny. It's funny, so I don't care. The finale was last night. The top three were Lorenzo, Jalen, and Rico, Hondo, and you know what's really funny? Rico knows Dom, and Dom knows Rico. They live in the same town. Okay, I'm done.

So when I found that out, I literally wanted to crawl into a hole, and Rico went to my alma mater, which is DSU, a Del State University. I found out that he went there for a semester, and I was like, wow, this world just keeps getting smaller, and I basically wanted to die. But they're all really funny, so I think we should have one on the podcast. Definitely, but the funny thing is, is that I didn't watch the show because I've just been so busy, but from some of the tweets that I've seen, I'm like, I honestly can't even imagine Kale in a dating situation, because I just feel like you're kind of the type of

person that would be awkward in a dating situation, and so... Lindsay, I watched myself. I had secondhand embarrassment for myself. First of all, the one day I was in heels for like 13 hours, I walked like a fucking T-Rex. I was literally just like a freaking dinosaur walking around. It was horrible, it wasn't cute, and I'm the type of person too, because I'm so awkward and I don't want someone to call me out on my bullshit or call me out on something that's embarrassing.

I'll call it out before they do, so I would just basically embarrass myself even more by doing that, and just watching myself do that, I'm like, wow, no wonder I have three baby dads and I can't get a boyfriend, or a girlfriend, obviously, I'm a fucking train wreck. But I will say, you're kind of like that in all life aspects, not just dating, so you'll call yourself out before anybody else has the chance too, because it's like a power play for you. It's like, okay, I'm going to call myself out, and I'm not going to give them the satisfaction

of being able to call me out, because I'm very self-aware. Right, that's true, that is true, but maybe I do it a little bit too much that I point out something that I call myself out before they do, but they might not have noticed in the first place. I mean, obviously, everyone saw me walking like a dinosaur, god damn, but oh, other than, oh, it was so embarrassed, I'm literally just like... Can you explain what type of heels these were, because I'm trying to get a good visual image? First of all, they were chunky heels, they were my most comfortable ones that I wear

to be in heels in a long time, but I wasn't expecting to be hair and makeup ready for 12 hours and only film three hours of that. You know what I mean? So I wasn't allowed outside of the hotel room, any food that I wanted had to be delivered. I wasn't allowed outside in the real world, I just wasn't allowed. And neither were they, I don't think, but I was by myself. So I'm hair and makeup ready in these freaking heels, walking around this little Airbnb, and then I had to go just walk and walk and walk for these scenes of me walking.

And so by time, they probably got the shot that they wanted, I was limping, I was providing earthquakes for everybody in LA, like it was just not good. I even tried to like sneak and take my heels off, and then they noticed and they were like, you need to put your heels back on. And I was like, but no one's gonna look at my feet. But this is not Teen Mom. And this is like... This is not Teen Mom.

No. This is dating, so... This was not dating. The dates were like 15 minutes total. I would love to have one of the guys from the show to get the dating perspective and the other perspective of filming with you to see what he has to say about the experience and how he felt that you looked while you were walking in heels. Because that would just be interesting for me to engage in that conversation.

And I think that people would also like to hear about the T-Rex that was passing through Los Angeles. So... I should be in a museum. Honestly, though, I should have picked Jaylin. Jaylin was like so sweet, he had a master's degree, he went for international business, I love to travel, I love all that type of stuff. He literally would have been perfect.

I don't know why I picked Rico. I think he reminded me so much of Chris that I was like... That's why you picked him. Because I stalked Rico last night on Instagram. And he resembles Chris, I think. Yeah. It's like the teeth, the hair, the skin, like the everything, yeah, it's just everything. So...

Yeah. So I think that's where I was at with that. But honestly, Jaylin is so cute. I don't know. I should have... Lorenzo was really nice, but I don't know that we had anything in common. Honestly, we should just have all three... We should interview them all three separately to get their takes.

I die, like I die. I need to go back and watch the footage so I can get like a true... Please don't. Because, honestly... Visual. I'm embarrassed. Oh my gosh. But now I'm looking back and I'm like it was funny.

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So moving on to the next thing that I have questions about catching up on Teen Mom, which I have also not watched for like the past three weeks, but it is on my DVR to watch and I will catch up, but give me the updates on what's going on, what's aired and kind of like where you are because I know the child support thing has been a heavy storyline in real life and on TV. So give us the details. Okay. So let me start by saying that just watching the season, I did miss most of the last week's

episode, but so far this season, the timeline is not accurate. So a lot of the things are out of order, I've noticed. But last week, I think I was bitching about child support and I actually said something about not getting VV, which is Joe's daughter, a birthday, a Christmas gift, which I shouldn't have fucking said that. Like I don't know what the hell I was thinking and I was obviously a piece of shit for that whole episode. And basically at the end, like V had texted me or called me or something and asked me

to like go talk to Joe about like all the child support stuff and like I wasn't really having it. But Becky, one of my best friends, she was like, no, you need to have a conversation. Like you need to do this. Like you can't be petty, you need to grow up and you know, have this adult conversation. So I think by the end of the episode, I was kind of just like, yeah, V and Becky are correct and I'm being childish. So I don't know what happens in the next episode because I don't get to see them before the

air. But I think it's just me, a whole lot of me being childish and angry about Joe filing for child support. Well, I will say from just watching from like earlier episodes in the season and I can't really speak on the last few because I haven't seen them. But you know, the situation that was filmed with Javi and Lauren at the soccer field, I did see, you know, just knowing you, you try to not talk and it's kind of like awkward because you try not to have the conversations and you're like an avoider, but then it comes

off as hostile and then I saw a clip that MTV had put on Twitter of you, it must have been from one of the most recent weeks where Isaac had a basketball tryouts or something. And you were completely avoiding Joe and I think that the way it comes across on camera, you're not intending for it to be mean, you're just trying to avoid the situation, which makes it look completely hostile. Right. No, I think, I do think that is accurate because I do, I don't like confrontation as much as I run my mouth and you know what, I'm just like a walking talking contradiction.

So it's, I mean, like, I don't like confrontation, but also I avoid, yeah, I just avoid. So I think I did see the scene that you're talking about and I do think that it came off a lot different than it was in person. I just didn't want to see him or talk to him. So it came off mean and I get a lot of comments about like, oh, you're doing it in front of Isaac or whatever. And I think that I think that's what you're trying to avoid though. I think you're trying to avoid the hostility in front of him.

So you're literally trying to escape your own self. I don't think that that day, I mean, I, I wasn't like, oh, you know, telling Isaac to walk with me or like, don't talk to your dad or I'm not talking to your dad. It's not like that. Like, yeah, I'm not talking to him, but I'm also, despite how it looked, it came across on camera. Like, I think Isaac knew that there was something going on and I was ignoring him, but I don't think that Isaac thought that I was being angry or malicious like intentionally.

I don't think that. I mean, I definitely think the way that I handled the whole thing on TV sucks because Isaac will see that one day and like all the things that I had to say, but I mean, Joe came over here. He picked Isaac up from the bus stop and Isaac made him come over here to get something or whatever. And we had a conversation and it was fine and, you know, everything kind of is falling into place with that.

I kind of just feel like everything is a learning curve. And I think it is actually helpful for me to watch this shit on TV because I can be like, wow, like I acted like an asshole and now I'm going to handle this better. You know what I mean? Or next time I know. Sometimes you don't get it. Like sometimes you don't get it until you see it back and you're like, oh, wow, that's what I was doing.

And I didn't really realize that it was perceived that way. And I didn't realize that I was really acting that way. I will say that it goes the same for the podcast. Sometimes I will say something on here that is not intended the way that it comes across. And then it's like too late and then people are taking things. I won't say like completely out of context, but people take things the way that they want to hear them. And, you know, rightfully so everybody has a right to how they feel in their own opinions.

But sometimes you're kind of like, oh, wow, you know, maybe I should have said or done things a little bit different. And that's the cool thing about, you know, being in this world and this, you know, TV broadcasting, whatever, you become very self aware of your bullshit. Right. Yeah. I definitely said some things on this podcast that I'm like, wow, what the fuck, like, why did I do that?

But you know what, I will say, I will say that like people comment a lot and I'm sure this happens to you too. Or like even just with the podcast, people will be like, oh, your son will see that one day. Oh, that's so embarrassing. Your son will see that one day. Yeah. I think, and I'm fully aware that he will see some of the things that we do and say,

but I also think that as long as once he does see it or they see it, all three of them, as long as I'm in a good place with their fathers at that time when he sees it, I don't think the past is going to matter as much. Do you know what I'm saying? Like, I don't know if this is coming out like as I'm the way that I'm thinking it. So like, say me and Joe are we, honestly, Joe and I have been through hell and back. So I do feel like by time we are in a, we are in a good place now and by time Isaac is older and we're still in a good place.

I don't think that the bullshit from his childhood, that's not, that's not coming out the way that I want it to come out. How do you get what I'm saying? Yeah, I do. I think that what you're trying to say is that all the stuff that's played out, and I think people in real life and their real life can relate to this as well. By the time it gets time to address whatever happened, I feel like you're going to be in a different place.

So you're going to be able to explain that better. And to be honest, it's really what everybody is going through in co-parenting situations and just in life in general. I mean, I think of the times whenever I watched that little clip, I think of the times that I'm mad at Will, you know, and we're married and living under the same roof and raising a son. I think about the times that I'm pissed off at him and I'm icing him out. And I know that, you know, Jackson is very aware that I am avoiding Will in the kitchen

when he's trying to make a sandwich and I'm trying to clean the dishes. He's very aware that mom's mad and, you know, he will come and ask me sometimes, you know, why was daddy like being that way or why were you avoiding dad or, you know, whatever. And I think in a lot of ways it's good for our kids because it teaches them that life isn't perfect. And I don't want Jackson to think that, you know, life is just this smooth ride and train, you know, that's never going to have a hiccup because that's not realistic. No, I mean, I've definitely seen, and I'm not saying one is better than the other, but

I do to your point, like I've seen parents who never argue in front of their children ever, ever, ever, ever. And then they get divorced when the kid is like 19 and they're like, my world just fell apart because they had no fucking clue. And I'm not saying that that's good or bad or better or worse than what we do. But I do think that not necessarily arguing like I've argued in front of my kids, but like for you and Will to like emically be in the same place at the same time and kind of like, yeah, maybe be avoiding, but also you can still be in the same place at the

same time and you guys are going to work through it and still remain under the same roof. So that does teach Jackson, okay, well, you guys aren't arguing and screaming at each other. You're kind of like doing what you got to do, take your time apart and then work it out and then you guys will be good the next day. So I do think to your point that that is probably, yeah, I mean, because you're basically selling your kid a dream that doesn't exist if you're just acting like everything's perfect. And right for so long, I feel like when Jackson was born, I wanted everything to just be so

perfect, but it's not realistic and it's setting them up for failure because they're going to try to have whatever that is that you're showing them likely and it's not going to be something that's sustainable and it's living a fake life, right? No, I can agree with that. But I am cheering you on from the sidelines and I know that you're going to do the right thing for all of your kids and people are just, you know, witnessing the dysfunction that plays out on Teen Mom and it's really no different than any other dysfunction that's going on in other people's lives.

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Speaking of dysfunction though, I want to follow up on the woman from Utah that went missing and then her phone was found in Idaho. Remember this? Yes. I do remember the story. Yes. I knew whenever I heard about the phone being in Gooding, Idaho or Utah, wherever it was, I think it was in Idaho is where it was because I think she was from Utah.

I can't remember, but I knew when that phone was there, I told Will, I was like, okay, the phone's there because this man has got somebody else involved to drive that phone there to make people think that she has gone and escaped and ran away. It's probably somebody that he is sleeping with because I watched so much lifetime that I just, this is what really happens in real life. That is what happened and the girlfriend that he was seeing was the one that was sending the text messages, the one that disposed of the phone, the one that had been interviewed, had lied in interviews and then ended up getting caught, ended up coming clean.

Now she's going to testify against him in court. I cannot believe that he was having conversations with this other woman and the conversations were about killing Kelsey and he tried to get the other woman to kill her on three different occasions in different ways. And she agreed? Well, so she never followed through with what he was trying to get her to do. Basically, one of the things I remember specifically that he was trying to get her to do was act like she was a new neighbor or something and she was going to bring by coffee and the coffee

was going to have drugs in it that would kill her or be something to sedate her and the girl would never follow through. Her name was Crystal and she was a nurse from Idaho and every time it would come time for her to do it, she wouldn't follow through with it. Why didn't she go to the police though? That's a psycho. If someone tried to get me to kill somebody, I'm telling, I'm a snitch. Yeah, I'm definitely snitching but I hope I would not be in connections with people

that would try to get me to kill somebody. However, I will say that this woman I think was so infatuated with Patrick that I think she would have done anything for his acceptance and attention. It was like a true obsession that she would have just done anything for him. And so he ended up, this is so crazy and it literally gives me chills. He goes to Kelsey's apartment, I need to Google this, blindfolds her, tells her that he wants her to smell this candle and guess what scent it is. And when he blindfolds her, he ends up beating her to death with the child there.

Then he calls the girlfriend or texts the girlfriend and says that she has a mess to clean up. The girlfriend from Idaho drives to Utah, cleans up the mess. No. And I mean, I'm thinking that she thinks that this is all normal or maybe she's so deep into it that she doesn't think it's normal. And she's like scared for herself now too, maybe. I mean, I don't know, but she ends up cleaning it up and then they end up finding investigators

and stuff. I think ended up finding a tooth or something at her apartment because it knocked some of her teeth out. And there was blood splatter. And I don't know to what extent the child witnessed this. If she was in her room, if the child was out there witnessing actually what was going on. But yeah, she cleaned up the crime scene and then, yeah. So she is going to, what is it called, like testify against him in court.

And he is charged with first degree murder, solicitation to commit a first degree murder and tampering with a corpse. He had taken her body and hit it somewhere and then burned her body days later. I'm just struggling to understand the whole thing. Like I don't have words actually. And supposedly they had been texting, Patrick and Kelsey had been texting. And from what was found on the phones, it was very amicable. They were going to spend Thanksgiving together.

He had basically had her completely convinced that, you know, it was like normal, but this has been going on as early as September of 2018 was the first time he tried to get the nurse from Idaho to kill Kelsey. And she's the girlfriend? She's the fiance? No. The nurse from Idaho, I think she was just sleeping with him. They had known each other from college.

This nurse had been married. And she had never went to the police? Like not only is this daughter, this one year old now, is without both parents, like you have to be some kind of sick person to sit there and not do anything about that. Like you're sick. And what's also sick to me is the fact that he planned all of this stuff. Like he was even sending text messages, like after the fact of killing her, he was sending text messages saying, um, if this is what she wanted, he would just leave her alone

and blah, blah, blah. And mind you, this is the girlfriend, the nurse in Idaho that is texting him back as if she is Kelsey. So, I mean, I cannot, it is all so bizarre to me. I can't even imagine. And there's no excuse, like why would he feel like he needed to kill her? Just, just break up. You know what I mean?

I don't. Well, it says on this article that I Googled, it says, um, Barith's family also claims that Frazy, I don't know who's who. Yeah. Patrick. And Kelsey's family claimed that Patrick, oh, that Patrick told them that he and Kelsey had broken up on Thanksgiving Day. And then it says, um, on the five page document, the family of Barith provides a list of alleged

statements from Frazy. They believe were lies. He allegedly told the family he had communicated with her on November 25 days after she was last seen in public on surveillance footage. The family also claims Frazy told them he had returned to, he had returned to Kelsey's, to Kelsey, her keys and her gun that were in his possession. Yeah. He didn't do any of that.

And the, the person that he was texting was the nurse in Idaho because that was all already planned. She had already picked up the phone. Well, now the daughter is with the maternal grandparents, which is where she should be. Right. But I mean, I just think it's so sick. I don't understand why, okay, you're doing all of this stuff behind her back. You're technically broken up.

Why do you need to go through the links to kill her? Like there's something missing that is not been told yet. There's something there that has not been told yet. People were saying that it's because he didn't want to have to fight like custody for the daughter and didn't want to pay child support. So the easier thing was just to kill her, but I mean, honestly, in this day and time, are you really that stupid to think that you're going to kill somebody and really get away with it?

Get away with it. Right. Like, hello. I, I just, I can't, and if you guys have been following the story and you know any more about it than what I have read, obviously, Kale, you need to go and like read all of the things because there's so much information out there that we don't really have time to cover all of it, but this is just sick and I pray for this child mostly because it's sad.

I mean, she, she doesn't have either of her parents. I mean, thank God she doesn't have him because obviously he's crazy, but yeah. So anyway, we will keep you guys updated whenever we find out more information and I'm sure in the coming months, there will be a ton of more information that will come out. I know we've talked about this before, but if you haven't tried Hello Fresh yet, now is the time. Hello Fresh is a meal kit delivery service that shops, plans and delivers step by step recipes and pre-measured ingredients so that you can just cook, eat and enjoy.

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I'm not excited because honestly, I'm telling you my thoughts and call me fucked up, but it is what it is. A woman sees a woman for who she is. And also, I've been in the situation that Chloe is in. I think that Jordan was wrong, of course, because I don't know if you saw, but Jeffrey Starr, he has a YouTube channel and he's got like 12 million followers or some bullshit, lives in the same development or something like that, and has seen Jordan's car going over to Tristan's regularly.

I saw that he was tweeting stuff to Chloe, basically saying like, you need to stop being so naive. Honestly, that's how I feel. Not for nothing. I was Chloe Kardashian. In a situation with a child involved, a whole nine, Chloe looks stupid. She looks stupid. Like, yeah, you can't sit there and blame Jordan Woods.

Was she wrong? Of course, she was wrong because Jordan's loyalty should have lied with Chloe. Yes. However, look at the man you are with. You look at him, look at his track record. History repeats itself, honestly. And maybe that's me pot me kettle, but I've been in the situation, so it kind of takes one to no one.

I looked stupid and she looks stupid. So to sit there and be mad at Jordan to some degree, yes, but also look at the man that you chose. I mean, I get it and I just have like a different perspective on it because I haven't been there, you know? So I look at it and I'm like, okay, she has gone out here. Not only did he basically ruin like, should have been the happiest moment of her life about to give birth to her first child, but, you know, ruins that and in good faith, having

a good heart, she takes him back and hopes that the situation is going to change. And I feel like, you know, she's kind of kept things under the radar, tries to keep it off of social media as much as possible with being a Kardashian. And I feel like not knowing her, but feeling like just watching the situation play out that she tried to keep things as private as possible, probably trying to work on her relationship. And then not probably even crossing her mind, Kylie's best friend for a situation like this to play out, I blame it 100% on Jordan because she is a woman. She knows what she should be doing.

She should know how to keep herself. She should know how to have loyalty to a family that has given her so much and basically just rubbed it like shit in her face. I mean, that's not fine. No, that's not fine. And she was wrong for that 100%. Do I think that they should be friends again? No, probably not.

But also, if it wasn't Jordan, it would have been someone else. 100%. I think it just stings more. So Jordan is not the one that ruined, Jordan is not the one that ruined their family. Tristan is the one that ruined their family. And I have to sympathize to some degree with Khloe because every single time we stand around and we sit around and we hope that things are going to get better the next time, the next time, the next time.

I've been there. But now it's almost like when you're in it, you don't see it that way. You have rose-colored glasses on. You don't see it that way. It's not until you come out of the situation, which I am, that you see it the way that everyone else saw it the whole time. And it's going to hurt. And to be honest, do I think that Khloe and Tristan will get back together?

Yeah, I do. Yeah. Because it's like a vicious cycle. It's like once you get in it and then you have a baby involved, people don't understand. And I can't relate to a lot of the situation, but what I will say and what I think a lot of mothers that are listening can really understand is that when you have a child with somebody, that complicates things to a whole different level. That things that might have been easy to get over without a child involved is one thing.

But when you involve a child for whatever reason, I don't know if it's like chemically, if it's just, I don't know what it is, but it's having a child involved that I think would make her continue to chase that dream of the family. I don't know if it's so much the child though, because I stuck around for a lot of bullshit before Lux was born. And I, so I can't credit it to the kid. I just don't know that for my situation, I don't know. I hope that Chloe doesn't stay, I hope she doesn't take him back, but obviously it's

none of our business, which is what's happening. I don't think that Jordan should have went on, what is it called, the red table or the round table with Jada Pickett Smith? Yeah, it's a red table talk. Red table talk. I don't think that she should have done that. I think that basically everything that she said was a lie, and I think it was just something that she did.

It was the only outlet that she could do it that would have sympathy for her with the history of the families that she could go on and basically clear her name to some extent. But it didn't, that backfired, I feel like. But you know what, when you're in there wrong and you continue to try to cover your tracks, it will always backfire. That's the facts. That's real life. That doesn't matter if it's her or anybody else in this world.

You do wrong, you continue to try to cover your tracks and it's all going to come out in the end. Well, because Chloe tweeted about how I guess Tristan is handling it privately. And so I would be curious to see what there's like, yeah, Tristan, it might be texting or talking to Chloe privately about it, but I would be curious to know what his story is versus hers. Maybe he's telling more truth, but is he telling the whole truth? Is he saying what Jeffree Star said?

Right. And did you know that they did an article or something about Jordan 1's gaining more than a million more followers since the whole scandal even happened? How wild is that? I mean, I would have hoped that she would have lost a million followers, and I don't mean to say that to be mean, but when you're going out here and doing stuff like that, that's just so wrong. And to me, I mean, not that it makes it any better that, not that the situation would

be better if there wasn't a child involved, but I'm like, okay, come on, like she did this knowing that Chloe has a child with this man. It's not just like a boyfriend, girlfriend thing. I mean, not that that makes it any better, but I'm just saying like there's a baby involved. I mean, it is fucked up. I just don't place the blame entirely on Jordan. I do think it's fucked up, but I would be curious to know, because poor Kylie, that's her best friend and that's her sister.

But I would go out on the limb here and say that she probably considered Jordan a sister. So that's your sister by choice, that's your sister by blood, and now they're essentially ruining a whole situation for some fuckboy who can't keep his dick in his pants and cheats on everybody. He already was on the shade room. I think it was yesterday or the day before flipping the bird off because he was caught by paparazzi with some other girl. Are these girls dumb or are they stupid?

No, I think these girls are smart because they know that he's being so heavily followed right now that if anybody's trying to make something of themselves. Business move. Right. Right. Apparently. Get him now. Okay.

That makes sense. I mean, I definitely don't have that. I mean, it would never think to do that. But I guess that is smart. If they're trying to make a come up, let's just get seen with Tristan Thompson and quickly you'll go viral and people will wonder who you are. I mean, Jordan to me just looks stupid because, first of all, the fact that he's so stupid the fact that you would even try to cross anybody in that family after what they have

done for you. Like you just shot yourself. Right. Right. Right. Right. Right. Right.

You shot yourself in the foot with that one. You're done. And I did see yesterday on social media and I don't know how much truth there is because we know about tabloids and partial truths and also lies. But I did see where she was going to be appearing on Keeping Up to address like the scandal. So that'll be interesting. Right. To see.

They allowed that because I know like they are the producers of that show, the Kardashians and the Jenner. So like they allowed that. I'm just going to say if I was the producers of that show and it was already as public as what it was, absolutely I would allow that. Okay. You guys, let's take a second to talk about how frustrating weight loss can be. I'm going through it right now and when people get to their ideal weight, they often have

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I don't believe that at all. Nobody is going through that kind of pain knowing how it happened truthfully right before she gave birth to True. That's not, no. I don't believe that whatsoever. Okay. Okay. And to be perfectly honest, the Kardashians are going nowhere.

So for people to even think that they need to do a publicity stunt is stupid. Honestly, it's really wild to me like, I think they ended Jordan Woods. Do we think that they ended her career? Where is she going to go from here? I think follower-wise, she is going to gain followers from it. But conversion-wise, as far as monetarily, I think she's done. But while we're talking about relationships, we've received this question several times and I have major feelings about it and I don't know how you feel about it because I don't

think we've ever talked about it. But people asking us, do we have any advice on living with a significant other at first before marriage? So how do you feel? I say it to go. My best friend Mark, who you've met, he refuses. I feel like, this is for me, I'm only speaking for myself. I need to know if I'm able to live with this person and be fully committed in a way that

I'm coming home to this person, leaving this person. I'm seeing what their habits are. I'm seeing if they help pull their weight in the house. I need to know all the things before I commit to marrying this person. Like, what if you don't live with them before you get married and then you get married and they have all these weird habits or you guys are just not compatible or you guys, like, I don't know. I just, I feel like it's a yes for me.

Okay. So I grew up knowing that that was like a complete no-go and I would be shunned if that ever happened and I was because I did it and I don't regret it whatsoever because I feel like I would have divorced Will for real, for real in the first three weeks of living with him. Had I not lived with him before getting married, because I feel like you get all of like the little things that you don't realize are going to be like big things. You get rid of all of those before you ever decide to take it to the next level, right?

You know, like the weird habits of brushing your teeth and leaving like toothpaste, like dried in the sink. Like you need to clean up after yourself. You're no longer five years old and that doesn't cut it. Leaving your shitty drawers like laying around like, no, that's not a thing. There's a hamper, there's a place for that and me seeing your skid marks, not going to be a thing. Why do guys have such a hard time wiping their butts?

I don't get it. I'm not sure. But that is why data girl, you don't have that problem. That is why I invested in flushable wipes because, oh, wow, that's smart. I'm not trying to see skid marks on underwear, like I'm really not. I don't want to wash those. I don't want to see it. I don't want to sleep with it, you know, like none of those things.

And I personally feel like, okay, if you're already having sex with them, then the living part is just like comes along with having sex with somebody. I don't feel like you should be having sex with them unless you're willing to live with them. I do understand. Right. You can't like, it's kind of like sinning, right? Like so me and Mark had this conversation, like, okay, so you're willing to do, you're

willing to sin this way, but not this way. So if you're willing to have sex, premarital sex, but you're not willing to live with, like I don't, I guess I don't understand that. Yeah. So see, for me, if I was not having sex with somebody, then I don't want to be living with that person because then that's kind of a little bit weird, you know? Right. That's a roommate situation and not really interested in a roommate.

So I can understand if you are not having sex, you're saving yourself for marriage. That 100% makes sense to me. You're not living with somebody, but if you're already, you know, sleeping with them, you might as well go ahead and live with them, get all of the weird habits, get, you know, all that stuff, get it out of the way, um, that way when you do get married and you come home from your honeymoon, that the weird habit of, you know, leave in dishes in the sink for days with food caked on it and again, shitty underwear, like in the floor in the bathroom, those aren't shock factors to you.

Yeah. I agree. Just my personal opinion. All right. Let's take a break and talk about what would we do with our extra time if we didn't get to go to the grocery store, wait in the checkout line and sit in traffic. That stuff takes so much time and I'd rather be with Jackson or something else that I enjoy. Thanks to Instacart.

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code COFFEE at checkout. That's $10 off your first order today at instacart.com or through the mobile app. And don't forget to enter our code COFFEE, instacart.com or through the mobile app and use our code COFFEE at checkout. And then while we're also on the topic of marriage, I wanted to address something that we've also received a lot of times and this specific person said, on this week's podcast with Susie, Lindsay said Will's name in her phone was Will Campbell. I've only ever known Lindsay as Lindsay Chrisley and Kale as Kale Lowry, not Mariquin.

When married to Harvey, did either of you legally take your husband's last name and general what your take on married lady choosing to keep her maiden name or taking her husband's last name? Okay. Are you going first? Do you want me to go first? I will go first. And then you can tell your take.

I did take Will's last name in marriage and the reason of me going by my maiden on socials and just like in the entertainment business is because of that's what my bio was on the website. Well, it's like a branding thing. Yeah. It's like a branding thing on the website. It's all Chrisleys, you know, so that's the reason why. So technically I am Lindsay Chrisley Campbell.

I dropped my middle and kept my maiden and then his last name. I think that it would have been a major deal breaker for Will if I wouldn't have been willing to take his last name because it would be a thing for him like, okay, well, if you're not willing to take my last name, what's really the point of marriage? And I think a lot of people have that same argument, but a lot of people don't want to do it. And that's perfectly fine. Like I'm not against people who don't do it or, you know, for people who do do it.

To me, that was just like a natural thing. That wasn't something that I really even thought about not taking his last name. So yes, technically, legally, I am Lindsay Chrisley Campbell. I don't give a fuck about it. I literally don't give a shit. I kept Lowry for a branding thing. People know me as Kailin Lowry, Kail Lowry. That's just what it is.

I also, for my own personal self, I have always, I basically raised myself. I am me and I don't feel as though I needed to take on Mariquin. He did feel a certain type of way about it. So at one point I did hyphenate it on social medias for him, but legally never changed it because I, this is going to sound fucked up. I kind of had a feeling that we weren't going to be together forever. So why would I go through the trouble of why did I marry him? I don't know.

But why would I go through the trouble of changing my last name? But also it's just like not a thing for me because as long as the kids get the last name, which I actually, this is why did I even start talking? I wish I didn't give Isaac Rivera. I wish I gave him Lowry because Joe and I were not married, but I don't feel bad about giving Lincoln Mariquin because Javi and I were married, but I just don't care. Like if I got married again and they wanted me to have their last name, I'd be like, okay, cool.

So I would do it legally, but then on social media and for the branding side of it, I would keep Lowry. Does that make sense? Yeah. I mean, I, I think that I'm just a clusterfuck. So no, but I agree in that sense. Like for the branding purposes, it makes sense for you to remain a Lowry. Like it doesn't, it wouldn't make sense because then it's almost like, okay, who is Kim West?

Nobody's Kim West. That's not a thing. That's not a thing. It's Kim Kardashian. I also feel like, so I know a couple who the woman is so super independent and just like doesn't believe that like she is the property of someone else. So why would she change her last name? So they're actually doing their own, like they're making up their own last name.

Oh, wow. Now, see, that's an interesting play because she wants to keep her last name. He wants to keep his last name. So then they're like, well, what do we do with the kids? So when they have kids in the future instead of hyphenating two last names, they're just going to all have the same last name. Okay, if I came to Will with some shit like that, I would have never heard from the man again.

Like ever. I would have never heard from him again. I would have been blocked. I kind of thought it was cool. No, it's cool, but I'm just saying the type of man that Will is, he would have blocked me and I would have never, he would have changed his whole pattern of travel. He would have changed everything so that I could have never found him again. You know what's super irritating?

Because like I look at my last name and I'm like, obviously that's who everyone knows me as or whatever, but like I'm pissed off that my mom gave me my dad's last name. Like I'm pissed. Well, you know, there could be worse things to be pissed about. Yeah, I guess, but like, like now I'm branded as Lowry and I'm always going to be allowed, like unless I legally changed it, but then it's like pointless now I'm about to be 27. You know what I'm saying? And like, so now Lux is Lowry and it's like, I would have, like I just would have loved

to carry on like my mom's last name because even though my mom was shitty, like my mom's family is not shitty. And so I would have rather carried hers than his that you don't even really know. Yes. Well, yeah. And I think Isaac Irwin sounds so good. Isaac Irwin. Olsuz.

Good Olsuz. Yeah. I want to tell you about this thing that I saw on social media. And at first I was like, okay, this possibly like is a lie, but also it's possibly the truth. Oh, good. God. And it's about Florida, of course.

The headline is Florida woman arrested for beating boyfriend with frozen pork chop. Oh, good. Okay. So apparently she was arrested on battery charges after she beat her boyfriend with the frozen pork chop. And their arrest report said that they were engaging in a verbal argument and she threw a pork chop at the man and he suffered a half inch cut from the pork chop. So then he leaves the house after the pork chop flew and hit his face.

And basically she was booked on domestic battery charges, which is a misdemeanor and she was released on a $250 bond. But like, is it really worth the $250 to slap somebody in the face with a pork chop? Like, I don't really think so. That is so petty. Like, I'm not going to jail and paying a fine for smacking someone with a pork chop. Like I'm just not, wait, I think Jeremy smacked Leah in the face with bacon on a teen mom episode.

Yeah, I mean, that would be something that would kind of be funny. Like I feel like that's kind of funny. But I have a weird sense of humor, you know, so if I was in the kitchen and there was some raw bacon and Will was like caught off guard, I might slap him in the face with a piece of raw bacon or pants him, but I'm not really sure which one it's going to be. So I could see that possibly happening in my house, but as a joke and not like aggressively, but I mean, really, pork chops are kind of hard anyway. And then you take the frozen factor in like that's definitely going to cut somebody because

or give them a concussion, either one. Yeah. And I mean, I don't really care which one it is because I'm not going to be slaying in pork chops, but I'm just saying that's kind of a weird arrest and this lady needs to do better. You know, or why did they call the cops like grow up? Yeah, like who calls the cops over somebody slinging a pork chop at your face because somebody slings a pork chop at my face.

I'm going to do more than call the cops. I can promise that I'm going to be the cops that day. Yeah. I'm going to be the cops and speaking of calling the cops, I was called the cops on you yesterday. Why I had a really rough, not only just my day was rough, my whole freaking week was rough to be honest. Can you please walk our listeners through what I had to encounter? On my end from you yesterday.

All right. So yesterday was Thursday. I did my typical take the baby to preschool. And then was what was yesterday? What's today? Is today Thursday or Friday? You went to Outback and you shit yourself. No, that's okay.

It's not what happened. Okay. Listen, I took the baby to school. We worked out and then I went to Outback with my friends. And when I got to Outback, mind you, I don't, I don't eat before I work out. I just don't. I never have. It makes me sick.

So I'm already on an empty stomach. And then when I got to Outback, like I thought I was hungry, but also don't really have an appetite because the Accutane. So I'm like, let me just get something small. And I like couldn't eat because I started to get bubble guts, but I'm like, I literally haven't eaten at this point. It was like 12 o'clock and I hadn't eaten since like 4pm the day before. So I'm confused as to what the fuck is rumbling around when I don't even have anything in

my stomach. Shit. So then I'm sitting there and I'm like, okay, my dog has had diarrhea all week. And then now my stomach is starting to hurt and I'm going to go home and I'm probably going to have to clean up shit, which I did. And also I got diarrhea. Kill. You're leaving out parts of the story that are very important.

Oh my God. Everyone hates me. Nobody I know listens to this podcast because I will have no friends from outback. And she said, I'm going to be home and like an hour or whatever. And I'm like, okay, that sounds great. So then the next thing that I hear is that I'm getting a text from Kale from outback but from the restroom of outback. And she's like, oh, I need to get home so that, you know, we can podcast, we have a

lot of stuff to catch up on and I'm just going to have to like hold my shit until then. And so I'm so confused because I'm like anybody that has to go to the bathroom like that, there's not like holding it. So why wouldn't you just like blow up the bathroom outback, leave and go home? I'm confused. Because it wasn't stopping, I, it just didn't go away. And now I'm kind of like to the point where this is multiple encounters that I've had with Kale with the, with shits and bubble guts that I'm like, okay, do I have IBS?

It does kill have IBS one. Do we need to go and get depends to and three kills really messing with my life right now with these shits. So I'm like, you know, this is not fine. The next thing I know, I look down at my phone and I see a text from Kale and it says one image and I never know like what I'm going to get whenever I open it. And I open it up. It was not my shit.

It was not my shit. It was dog diarrhea shit in a crate. Oh, my poor puppy. I feel so bad for him. I'm like, and then I'm not only that, but Kale is confused on how she's going to get the diaries out of the crate because her hose will not turn on. My hose was frozen. And then I'm thinking, oh my God, do me and bear have a parasite?

Like that was where my thoughts went. I don't know why because I'm like, this is so weird that me and my dog both have diarrhea. So I'm like, this isn't good. Like he probably has a parasite. He probably brought it in the house. I'm probably going to go on the show Monsters Inside Me. This is going to go viral. No one's going to date me again.

Like what is my life? So long story short, I had to make, I'm literally like clenching and taking my dog to the vet at this point. The vet said everything's fine. He probably just ate something. He doesn't have a parasite. We don't know if I have a parasite. No, I'm just kidding.

Let's hope that you don't. I took a modium. I drank ginger ale. Like my stomach was bubbling all night. Never went to poop again. Like I was fine the rest of the night, but my stomach was still upset. So I was so confused. And then I woke up this morning, felt brand new, drank some coffee, still haven't eaten,

and I'm having bubble guts again, but I'm not pooping. So like what is going on with me? I don't know, but you're going to go to an IBS doctor before I get involved with you in LA in two weeks, because I can't be in the same vicinity of somebody who's got the bubble guts. But it's not, I'm not shitting anymore. Like I am not, I haven't pooped since four o'clock yesterday. Because if I hear somebody shitting, I'm immature and I will be laughing.

You'll record it and fucking put it on Instagram. I will record it. I'm sorry that you got diarrhea out back and I'm sorry, wait, how did it go? Kale, I'm sorry for laughing at you the time you got diarrhea out back. And I'm sorry for telling everybody about it now, and is that how it goes? Okay, so I may or may not have posted on Instagram yesterday when Kale didn't know, while she was probably shitting, I put on Instagram, Kale, I'm sorry I laughed at you the time that you got diarrhea out back, and I'm sorry for telling everybody about it, and I'm sorry

for repeating it now. But because it's just so funny, and I don't mean to laugh at the shits, but it is funny. Like anytime people have shits or farts, it's funny. So before we wrap up, I have one more thing that I have to tell, and it's gonna be quick, but it has to be said, and it's not about a Florida person, it's about a Tennessee person, and it was not me. It was a man who was accused of dipping his testicles in a customer's salsa, and then he was arrested on felony charges after he dipped his testicles in a container of salsa

that a customer had ordered online. So the delivery driver allegedly recorded it and posted the video online saying that this is what you get when you give an 89-cent tip for almost 30-minute drive. So then news outlets reported that the 31-year-old was arrested last week and charged with adulteration of food. Dinner Delivered said that the food service had fired the driver and forwarded the information about two authorities. So yeah, he is pending charges and we'll see what happens, but I'm assuming that his

dick was on fire because anybody who puts like their balls in salsa would not be a good feeling, I wouldn't think, and too, if I found out somebody stuck their balls in my salsa, I would be so pissed. First of all, I'm not going to lie to you, every time I go out to eat and I think that someone may or may not know who I am, I get nervous and it makes me sick, so I like lose my appetite usually. I think about people like spitting in my food, and you know what's crazy? It's wild because it's like, okay, that person posted a video of it, but who the fuck knows

what people do to our food, and we don't know, and that's why I get so grossed out. If someone knows who I am and they don't like me, I don't know what they're doing to it, and so it's really disturbing to think about. That's why whenever I go through drive-throughs, if I get the wrong thing, I just eat it anyway, because I'm like, they're probably going to like dip their tits or wiener in there, and I don't really feel like eating that, so I mean, I'm not saying all people that work in fast food, that's giving them a bad name. No, yeah, of course not, but it does cross my mind, and it does make me sick sometimes

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