Coffee Convos with Kail Lowry and Lindsie Chrisley - 71: Special Guest Taylor Muhl, Body Shaming, & Sending Nudes

Episode Date: March 21, 2019

This week Kail & Lindsie talk about body shaming. Taylor Muhl introduces us to her rare genetic condition called Chimerism & how it affects her life. She discusses motherhood & how until she has a child she won't know if she will be the biological mother or aunt. Taylor talks about the loss her mom felt after her diagnosis. Taylor shares her struggles in the music industry. Lindsie talks about getting an offer from Dr. Phil's show after filing for divorce & why she turned it down.

Hey guys, welcome to Coffee Combos, Lindsay and I have an awareness episode today, which is something that we don't do very often. Our guest has a really unique story to tell, but before we get into that, we're gonna talk about a couple other things. All the things, basically the episode that we did with Megan a while back on IVF Awareness and had such a great response from that, we decided to bring someone else on that had a very rare, somebody that has a very rare condition and have her tell her story and how she struggles on a daily basis.

I definitely think we can all relate to the struggle in different ways, and as women, we all have struggles. Yeah. Actually, to your point, I feel like we talk about body images and judging and body shamers a lot on the podcast. That's kind of like a common theme, but today's episode is a little bit different. It's for different reasons than what we might experience. We get the body shaming comments for our weight and our size.

Just like today, I did a question and answer thing on Instagram, and somebody had posted and asked me how I had overcome anorexia, and I'm like, well, I was never anorexic. Genetics. So I don't know, yeah, I've gained weight probably since I started TV, but I think that's just like age and learning how to eat properly. But it's crazy too because everyone's just different sizes, different body types and all kinds of stuff, but when it's, none of us can control that. And I think our guest today too, she couldn't control it, and she gets shamed for completely

different reasons. It's like, you can't win. Like she was literally born the way that she was, and so are we though. I mean, maybe less me, I just like to eat. But it is so hard, you know, getting so much backlash for your weight, or if you wear a shirt and it like looks wrong, somebody says something about it, or, you know, you shouldn't dress that way, or you shouldn't be this way as a mother, or you shouldn't be that way. It's like, who are you?

And we, I feel like you and I get it a lot because you are so much thinner than I am, and I'm a bigger girl. So then putting us next to each other is like. It makes me look smaller and then kill bigger. Yeah. Mm-hmm. It's the worst. So when you got that comment, did you like think anything?

Did you say anything? Like, how did you react to it? What do you, how do you deal with it? My first instinct was kind of like, okay, that's kind of hurtful because I've never been anorexic. So I'm kind of like, okay, that's a complete judgment. However, my second thought was I should open up the refrigerator and show them like everything that I do eat because I, you almost feel like a sense of, I need to like explain myself. Yeah.

But even though I know I don't need to explain myself. Yeah, it's weird. I read this thing on Twitter yesterday and it was like, stop explaining to your, stop explaining yourself to people who don't pay your bills. Yeah, exactly. But then also, if, even if we don't explain ourselves, we get the comments, we continue to get the comments, or if we do explain ourselves, we still get the comments. So I don't really know.

And then if you explain yourself, then you get the comments of, why are you explaining yourself? And it's like, well, bitch, you just asked. So like, I'm just telling you, you know? Yeah, you can't win. And so then it just gets to a point where it's like, okay, then you just don't answer the questions at all. You just avoid it and act like it never happened.

Right. This is true. You know? Yeah. So I'm just like kind of over it. Yeah. No, I hear you loud and clear. I just feel like as a woman, I wouldn't go on any type of platform and like talk about

someone's body or their condition or anything like that. Like as women, we should be helping lift each other up and not beating each other down. Yeah. And, you know, we've talked about this before and how women should support other women, but those are the ones that are tearing you down. It's crazy because a lot of my mothers. A lot of them are mothers that are doing this and you're kind of like, okay, do you not have better things to do?

Because I certainly know I do, you know, and I, I'm not going to take the time of day to go on somebody's social media and talk badly about them. But when I used to get like eating disorder comments or whatever, before we started podcasting, it definitely bothered me more because I didn't feel like I had an outlet to be able to have like a community and now that we do have that, it makes you feel more comfortable because you don't feel alone. And you know, not that I want to be in company with somebody who's also getting bullied like you, but I feel like we're in good company.

Like I'm shamed for being too skinny and you're shamed for being overweight, you know, and it's not, not like I want you to be shamed, but it's almost like, okay, well, we're in the same boat. Like we're in this together. Like we're doing this together. Yeah. I mean, it just proves that you can't really win because you're too thin, I'm too big. There's, where's the middle, where's the happy medium?

And I just think it's so important to bring awareness, you know, for things that people maybe aren't really aware that they're doing, you know, I mean, maybe they are very aware. I've talked about it before. So like when I've been in a bad place, I realized like not online, I wouldn't talk shit online, but like I definitely said more negative, I definitely said more negative things about people that I was around when I was miserable myself. And I didn't realize that I was doing that until I became happier. And I was like, Oh wow, like I really didn't say very nice things about that person.

And I realized it was because I was going through something. And so part of me, and I know it sounds super cliche, but it's like, it says more about them than it says about me, you know, and so I kind of feel like that, but it's the truth. Like I was going through some shit. And so like I was not saying good things about anything, like I was miserable. They don't realize that they're miserable. They'll go online and tell you that they're happy and they have this and they have that,

but they aren't actually happy. Yeah. Cause I just think it takes a very miserable person to go on and just talk about somebody that they don't even know. And I think that it's even, you know, we were talking about this earlier that a lot of people don't like the fact that we get to do a job or, you know, have a career of just being us. And I think that's something that probably a lot of people struggle or hate us for.

Right. Or maybe they like us for, I don't know. I think it's a little of both. Yeah. It's like a, it's probably like 50, 50. Probably. Actually, probably like more people hate us. Yeah.

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Yeah. Truly, I appreciate it. I honestly, when I saw your Instagram, I was so intrigued by not knowing what was going on that I wanted to know all of she said it to me and I was like, what was happening? Like, what is that? I don't understand. So please tell our listeners about yourself. Okay, so I'm a singer songwriter and I've been in the business a long time.

My grandfather used to run Universal Studios. So I kind of grew up in the business, but I was born with a rare genetic condition called chimerism and my entire life, I, my torso was split in two basically to just kind of sum it up. I have two different colors of skin pigmentation. Each side is a different color and I went my entire life, you know, a billion doctors. What is this? What is it?

You know, birthmark. Birthmark. And then probably around 15, 16, I started getting sick all the time and I'm kind of like a natural hippie, you know, really take care of myself, clean diet, this, that, whatever. I also was a dancer for 20 years, you know, I'm really physical and I'm just like, why am I getting sick all the time? Like no matter what I do. Like what kind of sick?

Like throwing up or? So pretty much like chronic sinus infections, migraine headaches, you know, I'm very sensitive to everything like medications. If I even took like a cold medication, I get like, you know, five side effects from it. Just a lot of stuff that shouldn't be happening on a daily basis. Like the weak end immunity. Yeah. Very weak immunity.

Yes. Any kind of stress, lack of sleep, someone might get, you know, a little sore throat. I'll get strep throat. You know, I mean, it just was crazy. Tonselitis. I mean, it was constant. So coincidentally about nine years ago, I saw this show and it talked about this condition called chimerism and there was one photo on the show, but it was of a baby.

And the stomach looked just like my stomach. And I mean, I almost fell over. I just thought pause. I don't know if there was Tivo then, but I'm like, what, what, that's, that's my stomach. And um, total coincidence about three days later, I had a doctor's appointment with a brand new ears, nose and throat specialist cause since I'm a singer. And when I went there, he was asking routine questions like, do you have any health issues? I told him, yeah, I'm sick all the time, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.

And then all of a sudden, um, my mom was actually with me at the appointment and she goes, tell him about what you saw on the TV show last night and I'm thinking, stop embarrassing me. Like what is this have to do? You're going to say that. You didn't think to like say something. No, not at all. Maybe bring that up.

No, because it was an E and T. So I'm just thinking like, you know, you're sick, sick. And my mom's like, just tell him what you saw on the TV. So I'm like, okay, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. It looks just like my stomach and he goes, wait a minute, I am completely familiar with chimerism. He said, I used to be the doctor for like Ripley's believe it or not for medical rarities. He said, I used to work under a guy years ago when he first started training who did only like medical rarities.

So he's like, I know all about chimerism and he said, I basically just from seeing your stomach will know because I guess it has to be like a certain pattern and you know, certain things. So I think he thought that I was kind of loopy. Yeah. Yeah. Because you're self-diagnosing. Yeah.

You know what I mean? And he told me he's like, you know, I've never seen one in real life. Like it's never happened like through my whole medical career. And because he said, you know, I guess with chimerism, a lot of people can be chimeris, but the physical traits are very far few between that people have. So people, it's more common than we would know. So, oh, it can be way more common. It's just that usually you're not going to know unless if there's a physical trait.

And the physical traits can be the, the two colors of skim pigmentation on the torso. I've been told two different color eyes, but it cannot be confused with haptochromia, which is a separate condition that can cause two different colors of the eyes to be. And then in male chimeras, I've been told if they have dark hair, there can be silver patches and it's from the time that they're like a baby. So those are the physical traits that I've been told, but that's kind of hard because I knew a girl in high school that had two different color eyes and I knew a boy that had dark hair.

I've definitely like the silver patches and they said it was like a birthmark though. Yeah. Well, and that's the thing. See, even though chimerism shouldn't be rare, it is rare because it's just when I, when I found out, which was about nine years ago, when I'd go on Google, the only thing you could find was the one episode that I saw from like nine years ago on TV, it was a one hour episode. I think it was like on discovery channel or something.

And then the only other thing is that the word chimerism comes from Greek mythology and it's known as a monster. So it's known as like a monster that's three. So it's like a head of a lion, a body of a goat and a tail of a snake. It's literally all I could find on Google and I could not find one thing. So the whole condition, you know, because it's just, you know, it's weird. It's just weird. You know, it means like, how do you tell someone, oh, hi, I have a condition that's named after

a monster and my stomach is like two different colors. Sure. I mean, it's crazy. And then my particular case of chimerism is linked to causing me severe autoimmune deficiencies because my two sets of genetic makeup, they don't, they don't, like mesh basically. Yes. And it doesn't mean every case of chimerism is going to have that.

Some can mesh. It's just my particular case. However, the, you know, whatever cells did fuse, blah, blah, blah. And just to kind of go back to, so what chimerism is, is it's fraternal, twin eggs, not identical fraternal, and usually it happens in the earlier stages of pregnancy, the two eggs fuse together. Okay. So let me stop you there. Did your mom know that she was pregnant with twins?

So my mom was also, she was a hippie mom. My mother never had an ultrasound, her entire pregnancy. Oh my God. But were there two heartbeats or would it have been prior to the heartbeat? You know, that's a good question. I don't know. I'm, I'm not sure if it could have possibly been maybe earlier than that. Sure.

I don't know. I have heard stories though that chimerism, the fusion can take place a little later in pregnancy. And if it does, some people will have like an extra ovary or they'll have a cyst and they'll get the cyst removed and the cyst will have like teeth. Oh, I've actually seen stories like that. Yeah. I've definitely seen stories like that.

Yeah. Because you're like, it's the other twin. Yes. Twin. Yeah. And usually a hermaphrodite comes from a girl and a boy twin that fused together in later stages of pregnancy. That makes sense.

It makes a lot of sense. And most people still till this day don't know it, I guess, or don't realize it. So when you were talking to the ENT about this, did he kind of confirm it in person? Yeah. So what happened was he said, listen, I don't do genetics anymore. He said, but after just looking at your stomach, he's like, I'm telling you just from your stomach, you're a chimera. There's absolutely no way around it that you're not.

And then what happened was he told me that there is not a specific test for chimerism. Okay. That was my next question. This is something that I really am trying to spread with awareness because I get from all my fans and people that write me like a million times a day, what test do I do for chimerism? And there's not. There is not a single test.

But how do they know for sure? Either with blood work, because you would have two sets of. Okay. So you can test blood, you can test hair, you can test saliva, and there is a chance it will show up. But there's also a chance that you absolutely can be one and it will not show up. So what you usually have to do if you do not have a physical trait is they biopsy all your organs.

They have to do your kidneys. They have to do your liver. And I'm sorry, I'm not going through that. Well, I was going to say, I mean, there's not really a reason to do that unless you were getting sick, not you specifically, but for someone who would think that they may or they may be, they would have to go through all of this and. That's right. They would.

It would be obviously elective. Absolutely. Oh yeah. It would totally be elective. So then what's the real point unless you're sick? That's right. And some people like the two cases that they had on the TV show like nine years ago, they were both accidental, how they found it.

One was a fraternity test and the judge is like, those aren't your kids. She's like, um, I gave birth to them, like I have it on video, like they're my kids. Well it's because technically her twin sister was the mother of her children. She would be considered the aunt. Yes. Oh, wait, what? So wait, if you had a baby, yes, there's a chance it can be. We won't know until I do have a child.

But after my child is born, we can test to see if I come out the mother or the aunt, so to speak. So that was one of the cases. Wait, I'm, cause she has two, two sets of, oh my gosh. So. Oh. Yeah. So either when she has a baby, you could be the aunt or the mom.

Either we won't know until I have a child, but that is one of the cases that came out about nine years ago, but that person, she did not have any physical abnormality. And then I don't know if she had health issues or not, but so she had no idea. So they did find hers. I would guess maybe through blood or something. Okay. So I need to take a second to talk about something that's really popular in my house. Obviously we all use them, which is our quip toothbrushes.

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Yes. They're like, those are not your children. So she, I'm assuming it must have been through blood with her. So she's very fortunate that that did come out so easily. The second case was, I think the lady, it was something like she needed some kind of transplant and her family members, you know, were going to help donate and they're like, that's not your son. She's like, yes, it is, it was the same sort of thing.

And she ended up being the aunt of her son. So wait, do all chimeras have two? Yes. So all chimeras have two sets of genetic makeup, which are DNA and cells. And then every chimera is supposed to have two sets of blood cells and two sets of immune cells. And even I myself, when I first started awareness, which was a little less than two years ago, I was just shooting out stuff that like the doctors had told me, but I've worked with

a couple geneticists now. So even myself, when I went on some talk shows, I think I said two immune systems and two blood streams, because that's what I was told. Now it's been clarified to me that it's supposed to be two sets of blood cells and two sets of immune cells. Okay. Yeah. So how did your mom feel when she found all of this out?

Because obviously, just as shocked as you are to find out that you're a chimera, how did she feel that she had twins? Well, I think for her, so my mom had me at home on top of everything. She did not have me in a hospital. She had me at home. She did everything natural, took no drugs for, you know, the birth prior, everything. Love that. Crazy.

So when I came out and my stomach was like this, she just freaked. She's just like, oh my gosh. Oh, she saw it right off the bat. Oh, the day I was born, my stomach was like this. That's another thing I'd like to address to everybody because I get question about that all the time. So my stomach was like this since the day I was born. So my mom panicked because immediately she thought she did something wrong.

You know, what, you know, did the midwives do something, you know, the whole thing. And she ended up bringing me to a doctor a little down the road. And it started, I mean, I don't want to say my age, but, you know, a long time ago, just as the baby, oh, I guess it's a birthmark. Sure. I mean, you know, you can't really, if you're not sick and nothing's happening and it doesn't seem like anything's weird. I mean, what else?

Yeah. I imagine like having a baby because we've had kids and the child comes out and obviously you're checking 10 fingers. That's right. Yeah. All of that stuff. And you're like, what is this? And it's unexplainable.

Yeah. It's totally unexplainable. And so what happened was as I, and I have already shared this publicly and people say that I'm lying all the time about it. So, and I'm one of those where I'm like, you just, you just keep saying that because this is the truth. So probably starting around like six or seven, I used to ask my mom all the time if I was a twin, like just like, it's almost like an obsession.

Like you knew, but you didn't know. Yeah. Yeah. I just used to come to her and say, you know, am I a twin? Did I have a twin sister? And then you know how little kids are like always obsessed looking like their girlfriends? Yeah. We all go through that.

Mine was like next level up of obsession. Like every friend, we had to look exactly like like, wear the same things, have our hair the same way. And my mom, you know, she's one of those where she'll just let me, you know, she, she likes me to have freedom even as, you know, a little child. So she just let me do whatever, but she could never under understand the twin thing. Like where it came from. So when we did, so I was probably about 26.

I went more than half my life, not knowing why I was sick, not knowing why my stomach was like this. So when I finally found out, it was so, it was like I could breathe for the first time, you know, right? Like confirmation, like everything. Yeah. Closure almost. Yeah.

It was. Yeah. No, it was like you found like the piece that was missing almost. That's right. Thank you. Cause that's exactly what it was. And I think then when my mom found out, you know, I mean, for both of us, of course, when you really think about it, it's sad because it's like, whoa, I could have had a twin.

She could have had a second daughter. I could have had this like partner in crime to go through life with. But on the other hand, it was liberating. And I, it made me feel better because my whole life, are you a normal child? So I am an only child outside of that. I wasn't raised as one though. I, I had a girlfriend from two years old on that basically lived with us and that I was raised with.

So I grew up with like an older sister, but I'm technically, yeah. From, I guess like DNA, would you know it was definitely a female? Yeah. Okay. That's, and I get asked that all the time. Yeah. People are always like, how does she know it's a sister? It could have been a boy.

Right. Okay. So you guys are actually the first place that I'm stating this publicly. Oh, cool. So I had chromosome testing done. Okay. And when you get your chromosomes tested, if it was a girl and boy twin, I'm going to have, I'm going to have female and male chromosomes.

I only have female. Got it. So we definitely would have been girl, girl. And that's why throughout, you know, spreading awareness, I always say my sister. Yeah. So girl, girl, fraternal, girl, girl, fraternal. So how does that? So when you're identical, you're in the same womb, right?

This, I believe it's a one. No, it's like one, it's one egg that splits. Right. Right. Right. Egg. Thank you. Two separate sacs too.

I mean, one sac and then fraternals two. Yes. So then completely two separate. When you absorbed it, how does that? So basically what it means is it's like you have two people literally like under one roof, so to speak, you know, so it's like how you react to caffeine and how your body reacts to caffeine is completely different. Well I have to deal with that in one body.

So everything I do, it, my body reacts in some sort of way that's not always normal. So I'm highly sensitive and kind of to wrap back around like other ways as far as to with testing with chimerism, I just thought I'd throw it out there. So kind of along my journey, I got immune testing done because I was so sick all the time. And I got my tests back there like that I went, I was working with an immunologist and she's like, I have never seen anyone's immune system this low unless if you have like cancer and you don't have cancer because we tested you.

And she kind of freaked like, I've never seen this. So she asked me specifically, can you forge your results to the geneticists because maybe this has to do with chimerism. So we did. And my doctor said, yeah, not all chimeras will have this, but if they do, it's right, you know, at the bracket where it should be. And then I got food testing done and they tested me for 150 items and I came back with sensitivities to everything outside of nine items.

So the same thing like the doctor, the blood bank, they're like, we've never seen anything like this. Like, will she release her records publicly because we want to have board meetings. And so I brought it to my geneticists and he goes, Oh, well, yeah, it's picking up the two immune cells. It's like two different immune systems, what each immune system would be allergic to. That's why it's basically double. So did you go public with these?

So I never like actually put my papers public, but I've just been willing to share this information when I started spreading awareness. That's amazing. Yeah. That's crazy. So yeah. So would your sister be the other color of the side of your body? You know, I don't know.

I've asked my geneticist that and they just said that it just has something to do with the cells, the skin, you know, the skin tone, pigmentation, you know, how many of what cells absorbed each other, you know. So I don't really know, but I'm sure in some cases of chimerism, I have heard stuff like maybe someone is like totally two different nationalities. And one side of them might be darker, the other side lighter. I'm so fair that I think that's why mine's red in white. But maybe if I, you know, was like a different nationality, maybe it would be like dark skin

and light skin. Right. You know. And is it always on the torso? Yes. So it's on my whole front side and then it wraps on my side and then it wraps on my back only up until my spine. But the back and the side are blotchy.

The front is more solid outside of by my hip bone. Got it. And another thing that happens is when I'm really cold, it's very prominent and very visible. When my body temperature is lukewarm, it tones down a little bit. When I get really, really hot, it gets very, very bright as well. It's always there no matter what, but it can sometimes go really insane and then other times it's not as much.

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But so that's on my chimericide. So I have my belly button pierced and it's done in the chimeric cells. I can wear any type of jewelry in it, not allergic to anything. My ears are my own cells. I can only wear white gold. I also used to have this pierced white gold only, like highly allergic to any kind of like metal outside of white gold and then I get bug bites. So one side they swell like major, my son has, he's like allergic to bug bites essentially.

That's me on the chimericide. I'm not, they're normal on the right side. It's like crazy. What about if you're like tan, if you're like bathing suit beach stuff? Yeah. So I get asked that all the time. So the red side can burn a little bit easier than the other side, but not anything too, too extreme.

Like I can still tan. It's just, it will get redder than the other side. And then also the left side of my body is bigger than the right side of my body. My left leg is a little taller. The other one shorter. Does that mean your twin would have been bigger than you? It's weird. You know, I don't know.

I haven't even asked the genetic, he knows, excuse me, that the sides are different sizes, but I'm not sure. I mean, I guess maybe because she said that the stuff doesn't mesh. So maybe that's just like, because had it been a completely separate body, maybe they would have been the same size, but because they're fused together, it's kind of like trying to fit its way, like a puzzle into. It really is. So like even, I recently, I've been on birth control a very long time because I have endometriosis.

And I just went off of it a couple months ago because it was making me so ill, all my immune problems, like the birth control, people don't even know this, just FYI. Birth control for even a healthy person is an immune suppressant. So if you put someone on it who has immune issues already, like me over here, it's like it just flares all my autoimmune issues like daily, and I was doing it because if I wasn't on it, I was in the hospital like all the time from my endometriosis. So it was worth it to me, but I was getting so sick with immune stuff, I finally went off of it.

And I'm gaining some weight right now because my hormones are fluctuating. The right side of me is gaining more weight on my waist than the left side. So I have like this thing sticking out and like it's, I'm just trying to make a point like the sides are different, like it's so weird. And is it like everything on the side? So like your hands, like, um, you know what, I haven't really noticed. No, I don't think so. My hands and arms kind of feel the same.

It's more like from here kind of down or everything. And that's where my thing is, is it starts here. So wow. So wild. So yeah, it's that would be so hard to go through life to know that like there's something missing and like you don't know what it is and it's weird you say that because I really truly always did feel that. I always felt like I was missing something and it was really weird cause only my mother

knows this. But when I used to see girl, girl twins when I was young, all of you guys, but when I'd see girl, girl twins, I'd get, I'd feel sad and it was literally as a child, but like boy, boy twins or girl, boy twins, didn't bother you, had no interest, like did not care. And that is honest. Well, they say like twin, I have a couple sets of twins in my family. They just, even when we're not all together in the same, like one will tell me something and then some, the other one will say something very, very similar, like two completely different

days. I wonder if it would have been this, like the same. Yeah. Like you just know that you had a twin subconsciously or whatever. Yeah. It has to be something subconscious or like something genetic, like in your makeup to just like make you feel that. That's how I feel.

I do. Are there other twins in your family? Yeah. So actually my mom's side has twins and they're, it's supposedly supposed to be like every other generation or something. Yeah. I've heard that. And it would have been her turn.

So it all makes sense. So yeah. Yeah. I know that when that's, I'm so glad actually you brought that up because I never talk about that. Yeah. Never even thought to. And that was one of the first things we did.

Like are there twins in our family? And they're, yeah. And they are. And they're on my mom's side. So yeah. And I think there's two sets. I think it's a girl, girl and then a girl boy. Oh, wow.

I've heard that only, it's either fraternal or identical twins are genetic. You know, like it can be passed down, but I forget what one it is. You know what I mean? You know what? I should know this. And I, I don't know. All the twins in my family are fraternal. Oh, okay.

I think it's fraternal twins. But I don't know. Interesting. I think fraternal twins are like a genetically. Yeah. Like it can be passed down. Well, because identical is the egg splitting. That's right.

That makes sense. Yeah. That's probably a lot more rare. That's right. Yeah. I think it's fraternal twins that are. I'm so glad you brought that up because I never really thought about that. Yeah.

Yeah. And I mean, one was boy girl. So that would be, and then I think the other set was girl, girl, but I don't, I don't know if I'll have to find that out now. Like if they're fraternal or not. So how did the rest of, go ahead. Did your mom ever feel like once she found this out about you, did she ever feel like a sense of like loss or.

She did. Yeah. I think she felt that even almost to a degree more so than I did. And you guys are both moms. I'm not a mom yet, hopefully someday. But so I could imagine though, just looking at it more as a mom. Right. Like it, that's really, I mean, that's your child.

You know, for me, it's more like, yeah, that would have been my sister. That would have been incredible, but you know, she's in me now. That's what's so funny too. You know, people don't realize cause everyone's like, you know, oh, she's, she's gone. And especially when I've said like, oh, it felt good to, you know, find out and people are like, that's, you know, that's disgusting. How can you say that? Like you lost a sister.

It's like, you guys, she's in me. Right. I look at her. Literally. Yeah. I have to look at her every, you know, day before I get in and out of the shower. You know what I mean? Like it doesn't feel like, yes, I've lost her physical being, you know, but I have a reminder

of her every single day, you know, and she's part of me. And my mom used to kid, I'm, I'm into astrology and I'm a Scorpio. Yeah. I'm a Pisces, but my middle son, what? That's my best friend of 25 years. My middle son's a Scorpio and he is a Spitfire. Oh my gosh. Yeah.

That's when it was his day. November 16th. Oh my gosh. She's in a new horology too. Oh yeah. Have you heard of new horology? No. More of like the hippie side of like us too.

Oh my gosh. Like I'm the hippier. Yeah. Yeah. What are, what are you? I'm a Virgo. She's a Virgo. That's my mom.

Virgo. That's funny. I'm so into it. That's amazing. Yes. So, but yeah, my mom always used to kid when I was young and you know, I'm a Scorpio. So I am, I'm, you know, a handful in general, but she always used to be like, you're like having two Taylor.

Like she always used to say that to me just like kidding. That's so, yeah. Yeah. So then when we did find this out, we were like, well, I guess you weren't kidding. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. I need to tell you guys about this super go to comfortable flat for work and every day.

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What kind of music? Yeah. So it's still considered pop, but I'm really into like old school blues, like Amy Winehouse hands down with my girl, like just on a vocal level. And like on a vocal level, Christina Aguilera, Elle King, like they're my just, I'm just obsessed. Yeah. They're total inspirations vocally.

So my music is still considered pop, but it has more of like a bluesy kind of jazz flair to it. But very long story short, I ended up having to walk away from the label. It just wasn't the right situation anymore. And it crushed me. I mean, because I worked so hard all year with these people, and I got really sick. And then right after that, I had a bunch of other just life hardships that just nailed me back to back.

And I got so ill and, you know, I had to go to the doctors and do all these tests. And then that's when we really started seeing more of the Chimera stuff kind of coming out and results. And finally, I just went, you know what, I have known for nine years that I'm a Chimera and I have completely kept it a secret outside of my best friends and family. Nobody knows I'm sick. I was going to ask you how did you, did you date? Did you explain it to them?

How did that work? What did that look like? That's so funny you say that. So I had, believe it or not, I fell in love very young. And I dated the same man on and off for 20 years. And so he, yeah, so he was the real love of my life, but we had some really big breakups and some long, you know, breakups. So when we would do that, of course I would date other people.

So with him, it was great because he knew I didn't have to say anything. But every time I had someone new, and if, you know, we got far enough in the relationship, you know, and, you know, got to, you know, a base. You know, it would be like, oh, what's that? So you didn't tell them prior to that? Not always. No. Once in a while, I might, but sometimes it was like, I don't even know if it's going

to go there, you know, because I don't even know how much I like them. So it's not really important to talk about it. So I would always like, I feel like that's so important to like, but see for me. It's personal. Yeah. See, I'm like the most secretive private person. Okay. That's why.

That's why it took me so long to go public with this because I thought, you know, it's going to ruin my career. No one wants to work. You know, when you're, if you're like Selena Gomez, you're already established like big time and then you're like, I have health problems. Correct. You have support, but when you're still kind of breaking in. People are hesitant.

Oh yeah. It's like your liability. Yeah. I'm not working with this person. Right. Right. And I, I love, you know, my music so much. It's like my everything.

And I thought, I can't, I can't risk it. But after I went through these hardships, I really did. I had this huge wake up call where I'm like, Taylor, you can keep pretending that you're not a chimera, you know, that you don't have autoimmune as much as you want, but you do and you could be helping people. What are you doing? Like you went 26 years feeling helpless because you couldn't find one thing online. Not one doctor could help you.

And now you could be helping other people that are in your position, right? Advocating. You're too fearful because you're so obsessed with your music, you're scared that, you know, it will ruin it or that like personal relationships, you know, certain people won't want to be involved with me because I look like a, you know, different person. You know, I don't, I don't maybe fit the mold physically, you know, and people are weird, you know, out there, you know, they have certain standards. And so finally I just decided, you know what, I've had enough, you know, I've always been

really like, this is who I am, take it or leave it. That was the only part of my life that I never, that I just kept it behind doors. And I just finally thought like, you're not even being true to you. Like you've always been like, this is me, take it or leave it. So I just thought, where, where do I want to do this for the first time? And I just thought, I'm going to go on the doctor show because I just thought it would be a great place to spread this awareness. But also at that point that the only doctor I was working with didn't do genetics anymore.

So he was still helping me as like a friend, cause I, you know, had gone to him nine years, but he was like, you need a real geneticist. And I'm like, you know, up to date. And I'm thinking, I don't even know where to go for that. So I thought that would be a good place as well. Like maybe they have a geneticist that they can set me up with. So did that kind of help you then from there? Or did you not get the maybe help or reaction that you would have wanted?

Yeah. Well, cause I also was on that show for different reasons and I, nothing came of it. Wait, why were you on the doctor's twice for two different reasons? You are just like my new, new, new best friend now because I had stayed so quiet about this and I'm kind of over it. I, nothing came out of it for a year. I had email after email after email. Like it was horrific.

And then finally I got offered to do this other TV show and I really wanted to take it to spread awareness and they would not let me go on the show unless if I had my geneticists. So finally I had to call them and say, if you guys don't figure something out, like I'm trying to help other people, you guys promised me that, you know, a geneticist for the rest of my life. And they didn't get it to you? The guy was not returning my emails for the longest time. The craziest thing is that I have another friend who's in reality TV who went on, not

the doctors. She went on Dr. Phil. She also promised her brother this, that, the third for his mental health and all of that stuff for, you know, I don't know what the time period was and they never followed through. Well, and you know Dr. Phil owns the doctor's show. Oh, I did not know that. Oh, yes.

Okay. So we're bringing awareness to more than one thing today. We're bringing awareness to more than all of the TV. Oh my gosh. Poor Phil. Yeah. And you know, it's like I really have, I've stayed quiet this whole time, but it's been really hurtful.

It's been really frustrating. Yeah. And you know, so finally after I came to them and said, I want to do this thing, like you guys better figure this out, then they got him to finally contact me. And we did, he kind of like turned his tune. We were working together for a little bit. I was so grateful. I felt so excited.

And then after we worked together, it was like, again, yeah, and that's been it. So I will be what they want for their show and they're kind of like, they promise you all of these things and then they're like, okay, they don't fall through. They just did it. So they could just, you know, boost their business or do that. I mean, that's pretty much all of reality TV. Yeah. Yeah.

All the networks. Yeah. Yeah. No, you guys are right. You're so right. Yeah. I'm glad though you brought that up. Oh yeah.

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Okay. Yeah. I didn't know that either. Honestly, I came out here. Let's just be clear here. They really low budget and that was already a problem because I'm not getting paid for it and then I go on it and then it was a waste of my time and nothing came of it. So I said, great.

I'll never do this again. So moving on. Back to Taylor. I really had no idea that Phil McGraw owned Daria. Oh yeah. Oh yeah. Yeah. How I found that out was when I was trying to get onto the show, the doctors was not

getting back to me and I also had contacted Dr. Phil because I didn't really know much about that show. I thought that you were on Dr. Phil and that's what I wrote down. That was my mistake. I thought you were on Dr. Phil, not the doctors. Yeah. And that's who I tried to get on because the doctor's show never contacted me back and then Dr. Phil's people contacted me and they said, oh my gosh, we got your story.

We love it. We want to help you. But he does conflict and resolve only. Yeah. That's what I was going to say. That's what Dr. Phil does. That's what Dr. Phil does. What about Dr. Oz?

I'm trying to think. I might have tried to reach out to them. But his show was canceled, was it? No. I think it's still on. Okay. Yeah. Were you?

How did you like that? Out of the doctors and Dr. Oz, I would have picked Dr. Oz. He was very personable and talked to us off set and stuff like that, like the doctors, they didn't do that for me. None of that. I feel like none of that. And it was literally, I was on for maybe five minutes. Oh yeah.

No. But Dr. Oz was like very nice and personal. I don't know how he is now. That was probably seven years ago, eight years ago. But that's still nice though, even at that time. Yeah. I was going to say Dr. Phil because I got an offer to go on his show whenever I had filed for divorce because of course there's like a drama story, but I couldn't imagine

them bringing your case on to Dr. Phil so it fits more. That's what they said. So they're like, you know, we already sent your stuff, they're like, we own the doctor's show. So we sent your stuff there. So that's how you found out. Yeah. And I just said, yeah, I was trying to get on there and I wasn't hearing from them.

So that's why I went to Dr. Phil. They're like, okay, perfect. So that's kind of how it happened. I can't watch the doctors because I feel like it's so produced. I don't watch it. I sense being on it. Yeah. Same.

Well, and to be real, I never even watched it before. Neither did I. Neither did I. I was like, oh yeah. My bookie needs you. I got this for real. So yeah. I literally, I never even saw an episode.

So I'm just like, let's go. My grandma, my grandma is wild. My grandma is like 90 years old, literally like, like she's 50 and she's wild. She has no filter and she's like, you know, Tay, I watch that show all the time and that's where you should go. And I'm like, oh, you do watch it, grandma, why do you think I should go on that one? And she gave me like this whole thing about it. So I was like, okay, well, yeah, I'll, I'll submit.

Has she boycotted since? So, oh, you know what? I don't, I think she doesn't watch it anymore because she's like, that's horrible. And she's like, you need to call them and I'm like, grandma, it doesn't work that way. Yeah, it doesn't work that way. You know. That is so crazy. Yeah.

She's wild. So funny. So you've done modeling too. Yeah. So you know what? I'm glad you brought that up too. When I was young. Yeah.

You guys do. Because I have, I've done so many interviews now and more than half of the stuff I want to talk about, I all of a sudden I'm like, I couldn't even say one thing I wanted to, you know, that I, that I, that's important to me. We're not scripted here. I know. You guys are amazing. You are.

You're amazing. When I was young, I used to be with agents and all of that. So I used to do like commercial modeling. I was never tall enough. I'm only five, seven. You have to be minimum five, nine, you know, to be a real model. So I used to do commercial stuff when I was young and then I, you know, fell in love with my music and I stopped all that.

Now since coming out with Chimera Awareness, I am modeling for body positivity. Oh, that's amazing. That's what I'm doing. So I'm not, I'm don't confuse, I am not confused that I'm not a real model. You know what I mean? Because seriously, I mean, there's girls out there slaying it, you know, and they're like New York and runway and high fashion, that's not what I've done. Would I be open to it?

Yes, I would. Okay. But that's not what I've done. I'm just trying to do body positivity modeling and, you know, it's been weird because I have fans that are just so for it. And then I have other people where you would think I'm up there completely naked. I wanted to ask you about, you know, your fan base and your following and stuff like that.

How have they reacted to everything? Like I heard you mentioned that, you know, people kind of don't believe you. Yes. I'm so glad you said that. So it's so weird. All the people that, you know, heard of me through the chimerism, they're all like die-hard fans. And they've like changed my life.

Like I'm so grateful for them. I'm so appreciative, you know, with them. But more people that do, that know me personally are the ones that have had issues with it. I'm talking family members. I was about to ask you how'd your, the rest of your family react? How did your family, best friends, I mean, I will tell you, I know like who my true people are now. But I don't understand how there's a negative way to react to it.

The reason why there's a negative way is because my body positivity photos. I'm in a bathing suit. A bathing suit. Ooh. Or I have photos. What do you do? But I, you know what I'm saying? Like you see people in their bathing suits every day.

So why would that be offensive? Oh, and because she's getting attention for it. And I guess, and also because I do have some that are topless, but where my hair is completely over my boobs, I recently at the very end of last year did one that shows about, you know, an inch on each side of cleavage. But people don't understand. So I'm just going to put it to you now. My birthmark starts on my left breast, right in the middle of my breast.

That's where it starts. And it goes all the way down to where the sun does not shine. So when you are trying to, you know, raise awareness all of that, you have to show it in order to, what am I supposed to do? Because all these body positivity models that have like Vitaligo, like Winnie Harlow, she's right. Unbelievable. Oh, I'm obsessed with her.

But it's like she has it on her face, her hands, her arms. So if she wants to once in a while, she doesn't have to like show, you know, but I don't have that option. I can't choose where, where my twin sister is on me. The other side of it too is that we all have bodies. We're all, we all have the same or similar parts, so it's, it shouldn't ever be that big of a deal. I think just having any type of following though, it's super relatable, you know.

I posted a nude photo on Instagram once. Did you really? And what happened? It's the most like picture out of all my photos. There you go. Love it. I'm sorry. I've never posted a nude.

I love it. She's like. Have you ever sent a nude? She's like. Yes. I know you send lots of nudes. I do not. I don't send any nudes.

Oh my gosh. Have you ever sent a nude? I am guilty of that. Yes. Okay. I am. I'm wild. Yeah.

But see, that's my thing too. Like, I'm just like, okay, listen, I don't, I really mean this. I'm not putting down any woman that is in this business because I think more power to every woman out there, you know what I mean? But there are some women where my photos literally look like I'm basically fully clothed like from head to toes compared to what some other women are doing. And that's, you know, it's not about comparison, but it's about like, you guys, we all have eyes though.

You know what I mean? Like you said, I'm in a bathing suit or I'm tastefully covering everything I can just to show my physical abnormality, you know what I mean? Like I'm not just doing stuff to do it. So it's, it's been really weird with family and friends, some strangers, but I have had more support from strangers than I have. That's so weird to me. That's so weird to me.

I feel like that's super relatable. I feel like I can relate to that just getting into this business. Yeah. You know, with like family friends. This is something that she could have never controlled. This is not something that she's choosing to do the, I mean, as far as like chimerism, you didn't choose that. And now you're raising, you're using your platform to raise awareness.

So I don't see how they could even look at it even, even with the tastefully, you know, the pictures. Like I don't get it. No, I don't understand. Do they just think you like she made up? Oh, do you want to hear? No, well, do you want to hear like the biggest thing? Yeah, let's hear it.

Because I was so, you know, hardcore with my music, but, you know, I, no one knows about the label. No one knows it felt. They think you're lying. They think all of a sudden I went from music to doing this, not knowing why. And so the biggest thing I get is, is literally you're a sell out to chimerism. And it's like, um, I was born a chimera. I will die a chimera and I have to endure health issues every day from chimerism.

So you're telling me I'm a sell out for who I really am. It's like I'm finally living my truth and now I'm a sell out. And I also hear all the time, you can't be a singer and also have chimerism. What? Yeah. Oh, I've got that one so many times and I'm just like, Oh, I'm, I'm sorry. I didn't realize that if I have chimerism, you can't do anything else. You're not allowed to do anything.

Yeah. No, I just have to be a sick person who has chimerism. So that's been another huge one. So Lindsay and I have been playing this fun game recently where we just ask each other like this or that or like, would you rather? Okay. So, um, I wrote down a couple and the first one is Taco Bell, Urge Poli. But if I was going to compare it, I would say Mo's Urge Poli.

First of all, not everyone has Mo's. I was going to say, I don't know what Mo's is. You don't have it here? No, I don't have it. No, I've never heard of it. To me, these are both at least known and they're both generic. But I feel like they are on two totally opposite ends of the spectrum. It's like kind of like comparing.

No, it's like, if you want generic Mexican, what are you going to go get, Chipotle or Taco Bell? I guess. So what would you pick? I would do Chipotle. Okay. If I'm in a rush, if I was in a rush, I would do Taco Bell. Okay.

But I was going to say, if I could be really fair, I don't need it. I don't need either one. But I thought it was good because we do love Mexican food. Yeah. But see if I could eat Taco Bell every single day. You would. Yeah. I would eat a Crunchwrap Supreme every single day.

Oh. That's like my oldest. But I also go to Chipotle like at least once or twice a week. No, really? Yeah. I'm not into either one. Yeah. I'm not either.

Fruits or vegetables? I do both equally. Because I'm a vegetarian. Okay. I'm not a fruit person. I would pick vegetables. I would pick vegetables. No.

Yeah. Okay. Duncan or Starbucks? Okay. I'm probably going to get slammed for this, but I don't, I've never done Duncan Donut coffee. Oh my gosh. And I hear that's like the big thing.

I have done Starbucks, so just because that's all I've done, I'd say Starbucks, but that's not fair because I've never had Duncan Donut coffee. Do you like Starbucks? I will pretty much only do a green tea. I do like just their green tea, no sweetener, or I do a cold brew. Okay. That's it. I don't get anything else there.

I feel like I've had both. I'm not a big Starbucks person anymore. Okay. So, Duncan is more like not strong coffee, it's super sweet, and they don't offer, yeah, it is super sweet. They don't offer anything like the green teas and stuff like that, which is what I also drink, like the refreshers, the teas. That's right.

Oh, I do do a refresher. Yes. I don't drink those. You're a Duncan person now. Yeah. I love Duncan Donuts. Okay. I would drink Duncan Donuts every day.

I hear about it all the time. But it used to be Starbucks. I used to be a Starbucks person. Yeah. And you did. You switched over. Yeah. I switched over to the good side.

And the more affordable side. Exactly. It was super as well. I was going to say I've heard that. Yeah. Chinese food or Mexican? Oh, Mexican. Mexican for sure.

Yeah. Do they have a vegetarian option? Well, as far as Mexican, yeah, I just kind of always create my own stuff like, oh, taco with black beans, avocado, salsa, rice, you know, yeah, I forgot about that stuff. You know what, I do occasionally eat fish, but I was a vegetarian my whole life, and it's once in a blue moon. So what's with fish pescatarian? Pescatarian.

So I did it one once and it was awful because I... Pescatarian. That's what it's called? Yeah. I don't eat any seafood. Okay. So we had nothing. I was eating fried chicken.

Oh. So it was like a thing. Yeah. It didn't really work out. Oh my gosh. So do you still talk to your boyfriend of 20 years, like, or is that... Oh, absolutely not. We...

Oh my gosh. Yeah, really, to keep that one as simple as possible, we were together all 2017. That was our last round. His father, unfortunately, got diagnosed from cancer and passed away, and it was horrible. His mom had already passed away from cancer as well, so it was really, it was horrible. But right after the dad passed away, my boyfriend was like, I want you to move in now. I want to get married now. I want to have, you know, a kid now.

Too much, too soon. And well, no, it was that he had an issue, I'm going to keep it mildly, he had an issue with the law and had to go through some court stuff, and wasn't really going to be in the right place for about two years, just legally, to have really any of that. And I just thought, we can keep dating, but until you can be like a legal adult, I'm not doing any of that with you. And he basically turned around, cheated on me, got a girl pregnant within like four or five weeks.

So because of that, I will not speak to him. Wow. Good for you, honestly. Because that's toxic. That's a lot of stress. You're already dealing with enough. You don't need to deal with that. Yeah.

And like my heart breaks for him. I understand like he's, he really has, he's been through the ringer, but it's not an excuse. You do not do. Like after we just spent all year, I helped you, you know, we had his dad pass away in the house. Like him and I were basically like doing hospice. I mean, it was horrific. And it's like, I was barely even, oh, NPS, he broke up with me, tried.

The day before my birthday and then reneged on it. And then I was like, sorry, we're, I'm not speaking to you for a couple of weeks. Like I need time. And he already found. Yeah. Yeah. So we're done with him. Yeah.

Yeah. Okay. He's not ever welcome. Oh yeah. Done and done. He's never coming on the podcast. Never coming on the podcast. Not welcome.

Well, thank you so much for coming on. We appreciate it. I mean, you guys, seriously, I've done so many interviews now and it's the worst. Like when you just are like awkward and uncomfortable and the people are like, you two are both amazing. Thank you. You are so down to earth. You are just relatable.

You're kind. You're genuine. I'm serious. You girls are the real deal. I'm so glad you listened. Some people do come on without listening. Oh heck no. Oh my gosh.

And then that's two hours. Yeah. Oh no. I listened to all of your pocket. You guys are so funny and I love that you really do though. You guys really like balance each other out. I'm the funny one. No.

I'm the funny one. No, you're not. No, I'm going to say, you are so funny, but then she has dives where she, like you guys are just, you guys are, no, but you both are, you guys are wild. And I love it too when sometimes like, like you'll just be like, okay, I'm done. And then you'll be like, no, wait a minute, we're not done. That's a real life too. Yeah.

That's real life. Funny. You guys are amazing. Thank you so much. We appreciate you supporting the podcast and wanting to go on and where can people find you? Thank you. I think Instagram would be great because then I have my website.

Sure. You want to say what it is? Yeah. So my Instagram is just instagram.com, backslash, taylormull, and my last name is spelled M-U-H-L. Awesome. Awesome. Well, thank you so much for coming on. We appreciate it.

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