Coffee Convos with Kail Lowry and Lindsie Chrisley - 75: Psychic Medium Kareen, Postpartum Depression, & Lying to Kids

Episode Date: April 18, 2019

Kail & Lindsie talk about American Idol & why Lindsie reminds Kail of "She Bangs." They talk about being roommates, what bothers them about each other, & why Lindsie was going to call 911. Kareen discusses 2nd time motherhood, & why it's so different from her 1st time. They discuss postpartum depression, postpartum OCD, & getting help. They talk about the biggest struggles of marriage & why Will gets pissed off at Lindsie. They talk about why they are all afraid of waterparks, lying to your kids & more.

Hey guys, welcome to Coffee Combo's. Good morning. Good morning. I think it's made me so happy. Lindsay's favorite thing is when I sing the intro. It is. We got to get some auto-tune. I feel like Kale should go on like American Idol and go to the Trials and stuff.

No. I should never do that. Do you remember, like, whenever Kale sings, I think of, like, way long time ago, she banged. Do you remember that? Yes. She banged. She banged. What was his name?

She moved. Who was his name? I don't know. He was a little Asian guy. Yeah. And I used to watch him. But he had a whole album come out. Oh yeah.

Yeah. Like, he went viral for a minute. If there was social media back then, like, he would have went viral. At that point, I realized how much TV really are assholes. Yeah. Because they should never allow them to, like, just, like, they should never allow you to, like, get past. They should never give you the golden ticket to Hollywood.

Yeah. I should never make it to Hollywood. But here we are in Hollywood, so. Yeah. We're here. We're out here. How was your trip? Did you enjoy yourself?

Actually, I very much enjoyed myself. Being roommates with you every six weeks is always a pleasure. I mean, I leave you alone. Our stuff is separate. Yeah. All of our stuff is separate. Right. Kale, one thing that bothers me about you, though, I'm not going to lie, is when you get

into the snacks, like, I feel like. I don't know where you're going with this. When you get into the snacks, you, like, might leave them open. That is not true. At 1.30 in the morning, I put those snacks away. Like, I tucked that bag up, rolled it, and stuck it away. No, I saw you getting doughnut chester day. I ate them all, so they were done.

Oh, okay. Actually, I hope my CrossFit coach doesn't listen to this. She texted me this morning was like, have you been sweating? I'm like, mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Yeah, sweating as I'm putting the doughnut in my mouth. I actually got really, really bad Thai food yesterday. It was so, so, so, so bad.

So. I didn't eat it. You got the Thai food when Karine and I went to the Mexican place. The Mexican place. And then, um. I'm telling you, Kale, you really missed out. And I mean, I'm not just trying to, like, guilt trip you and stuff. But you really missed out. The food was amazing.

Probably the best cheese quesadilla that I've ever had. But, like, how can you really mess up a cheese quesadilla? That's like a grilled cheese. You know, like, you can't really mess it up. But the guacamole and the salsa. Yeah. And sour cream. Amazing.

See, I just, like, took my pants off by, like, 7.30. And so it was, like, it's a wrap for me. I'm just, like, kind of in a different headspace, I feel like. You know, to be perfectly honest, we worked all day. I feel like maybe we, yep. And we don't have the kids here. So it's like, okay, maybe let me go de-stress somewhere. Yeah.

And just, like, have fun and have, like, an adult conversation. Yeah. Because I don't really have those too often. I'll do that next time. You always say next time. I do. I don't live a little. But then it's never next time.

Because I save all my energy. This is my theory, right? So, like, all my off days with the kids and, like, I save all my energy for, like, vacation. So, like, you live vacation. This is a work trip, so I'm going to go to sleep. Oh, see, I don't feel like that. I feel like I enjoy what we do so much that it's just, like, a while it's, like, work, but, like, not.

Yeah. You know what I mean? Yeah. So then I'm just kind of, like, on vacation. Right. Okay. Fair enough. I didn't appreciate you waiting until you were home to send me your location last night.

I woke up, I fell asleep, and I woke up and you were still not home. And it was, like, 12, 12.30. You know, like, I need to find out where she's at. Like, I'm getting nervous. I haven't heard from you. It's not like you've been texting me. I was literally at a Mexican place drinking cucumber martinis. Like, I don't see what the problem is.

It wasn't a problem. I just needed to know where you were at. So, that. No, no, no. I told Kale to wait up in all fairness. I told her to wait up and I'm like, we're literally four minutes away. Four minutes. Then probably Kale probably put on her stopwatch and it was, like, four minutes past.

No. They would turn it to, like, 30 minutes. It was, like, four minutes past. It was, like, 30. And then I got another text from Kale and I was like, ooh, yikes. Well, my Kale doesn't play. Yeah. And so, Karine was the one who told me that it was four minutes away.

When we started walking, I started freaking out. And I was like, ooh, I told Kale it was four minutes and my GPS now says 31. It's bad. Like, it's bad news. I just wanted to make sure that you guys were good and I didn't want to, like, text you to make sure you were good and then something happens between the time I texted you and the time you get home. Right.

There are serial killers out there. There are. There truly are. And there are tons of homeless population where we're staying. Well, I don't think they'll hurt you. They're literally harmless. Right. There's just, like, a lot of, I get so much anxiety, like, of the unknown.

Even when I'm passing somebody, I know that they're probably not going to hurt me. But you think they're going to hurt you. But I literally told Karine when she was sending me in the wrong direction last night on her maps. I was like, Karine, I literally have not passed that street and I'm about to call 911. If I do not see Washington on the next block that I walk, I'm calling 911. And she was like, what are you calling 911 for? What are you going to even say?

But they'll just come because it'll be an emergency because I can't, I don't know where I'm at. And I'm in a lost place. Had you sent me your location like I asked? No, no, no, no. I could have picked you up. Because I told you it was four minutes and I was like, hmm, I'm just going to keep riding this out.

Maybe she'll forget it wasn't four minutes. Maybe I'll fall back to sleep. Yeah. And so I realized that Karine, when she clicked Uber, she clicked Uber pool. So we were having to go to a meetup location. And I was like, Karine, I've used Uber so many times and I have never had to like go and find Uber like ever. Like that's not a thing.

Like you put in Uber and they find you. What is the difference between regular Uber and then Uber pool? Uber pool is where you ride with a bunch of probably other drunk people. And then you drop them off like one by one, like a bus stop and Karine was making us find this bus stop. And I'm like, no, this is not right. Cancel the Uber pool. She probably paid for it.

You got in it? No, I put it on. I put UberX online and then they came in two seconds and then I was like, why did I literally walk five miles because she Uber pooled and lied to me and then told me not to call 911. You guys are so dramatic. I literally, you know what you guys could have done? Taking your pants off at 730 and got in the bed. I was panicking and then you said, send me your location and I was like, send me your

location. It's, have you heard that song? No kill. Okay. But keep going. No. It's my Khalid. Khalid.

Khalid. I think it's Khalid. DJ Khalid. Yeah. It is. Yeah. No, but it's two different people. Oh, sorry.

It's two different people in a different universe. Right. Um, so then you said send me your location and I was like, oh my God, like what if I send this location and I'm like all the way across and I would have cared, but if some, if it said 31 minutes away and you didn't get here for two hours, I would go find you, but I'd have your location. So it didn't matter the amount of time. Do you know what I did was I waited until the Uber pulled up and I was walking through

the gate and I was like, ooh, now sounds like a good time to share my location. And then I was going to try to play it off like, oh, I sent it a long time ago, but I'm not mad about the amount of time. So were you happy to see me whenever I got back? Yeah, I was very happy to see you. I was just glad that you were okay. We made it back. Well, y'all made it back and um, and then I was hungry.

So then. Yeah, y'all were eating snacks. Yeah. I was like, I didn't eat a donut that night last night. No, because you ate them all earlier in the day, right? Correct. Okay, let's talk about what's for dinner. This is a question every parent constantly gets asked and thanks to HelloFresh, I have

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I think we'll podcast from London next time. I feel like that's so premature just to throw out there and be like, next time that we podcast, we're going to be in London and then people will realize, then people realize that you're a liar and you're not really podcasting from there. I will. Kind of, you know, kind of really don't like to tell people things until it's official. You know what I mean? But I mean, that's just the name of my game.

I don't know what you're into, you know? Um, anyhow, um, I was talking to Karine last night because we, you know, we were just having a girls night and then Kale's wanted to frickin' text me about planners and stuff and like... I've told you, I'm in a different headspace. Like I feel like our roles have been reversed. Yeah, definitely. I just feel like, you know what, if I want to go and have a cucumber martini and a quesadilla... They don't text you about work.

And Kale's texting me about a frickin' planner. Like what colors do you like probably? And I'm like, Kale, we're not talking about planners right now. Okay. Fair enough. Fair enough. I'm eating soaked martini cucumbers right now. And also quesadillas.

And yes, also quesadillas. So we were just having like mom conversation and stuff. So I was like, hmm, she should come on the podcast tomorrow. So here we are. Great. Here we are with Karine. And here she is. Hello.

Hi. The last time you were on the podcast was what, six-ish months ago? No, it was like, no, it was like, it was February of last year. A year ago. Yeah. I was five months pregnant. My son's eight months now. Yeah.

She was all pregnant. Oh, wow. Now that you say that, I remember. Yeah. Remember, we were actually, the last time she came on the podcast, we were staying at Embassy Suites while you were, and we all ordered like cheese cake and wings. Yes. And she was like super pregnant and super hungry.

I do remember this. I think Leah was there too, right? Was Leah there? Yeah. Leah was there the same time, right? Yes. Yes. I was like, who's Leah?

Yes. And then your friend, Dan the man. Dan, not the man. Dan, not the man. She's so, actually her birthday was yesterday. She, she still lives in Georgia. Yeah. No.

I think she calls her Dan the man because I call her Dan the man. Oh, and Dan's not the man. I love her by the way. I know, I do too. She's great. She's the funniest. She's so funny. Yeah.

So, just catch us up on your life, like what's going on. Yeah, so you had a baby. It was a boy. I had a baby. I had a hard pregnancy after I came to visit. I was on basically, they don't do bed rest anymore, but I was having contractions, like whenever I would walk I'd have contractions. They don't do bed rest anymore?

No. Why? I don't know. I forgot what the reason was, but I had to get the McKenna shots every week to hold the baby in. I had the progesterone. Yes. Yeah, I had those too.

Oh my gosh, it was awful. They hurt. Oh wait, is that the ones that you like taking your butt? Yes. Put them in your butt cheek. I had to get those too. Oh my gosh. They're painful because that needle's thick because of the, it's like an oil almost.

And it steams when they put the serum in. Yeah. It hurts so bad. So, I feel like looking back now, I just was set up for failure in regards to like not having a happy delivery, pregnancy, everything. So what was the delivery like? Why was that? The delivery was like the happiest moment of my life.

Really? Like was it, you have a daughter too, so. Well, it was completely different. So I had a natural birth with my daughter and with my son, he was too big, so they had to do a C-section. And I thought that they were going to like put them on my chest and you know, they didn't. My husband held him for an hour because they had, I had some issues. I had to assist, they had to remove and some other issues.

So I didn't hold him for like three hours. So my husband held him and I feel like he stole my bond. Yeah. That would be really hard. Yeah. So I, from the beginning, it was just completely different because I pictured it to be like the first and it wasn't and I didn't really feel connected to him. I feel so bad saying that.

No, but I think that that's more common than people talk about. Yeah. I didn't talk to anyone about it. I started getting really bad anxiety and sorry, I might start crying. That's okay. Don't cry. I didn't feel a connection with Isaac right away. Oh really?

No. See with my daughter, it was like. You never told me that. I didn't cry when he was born. Like tell me the experience. I think I was just so tired and people, like there was 13 people in the delivery room. So it was like camera crews and family and friends and all the nurses and it was just so draining and then like I couldn't nurse the way that I wanted to and I didn't even

deliver at the hospital that I wanted to. So by the time we were getting ready to, nobody stayed in the hospital with me at all. Like I was from the day, from the time I gave birth up until we went home and he was super jaundice. So like I was, that was like an extra thing. And then they told me his skull was going to be fused together prematurely and then that was going to be an issue. Like there were so many things.

Yeah. And so by the time Joe's mom picked me up from the hospital to take me home, she's like, are you ready to go home? And I was like, no, because I wouldn't have the nurses to help me. So I was so just like disconnected. Okay. I, I felt the same exact way. I was so exhausted.

I, and that right there alone, it can be, I was, first of all, I couldn't breastfeed. I couldn't. I wasn't getting enough milk. So then, you know, you feel like shit as a mom, like I can't feed my new baby. And then so he wasn't sleep. The baby wasn't sleeping and I literally stayed up for two days straight. I didn't sleep. And then my sister came and stayed and she's like, I got the baby fall asleep, do whatever

you got to do. Like you need to get some rest. So I fell asleep, but I would wake up like I couldn't burp, like not, I couldn't breathe. And I would be gasping for air and the nurse came in and she like flipped out like, are you okay? I'm like, where am I? I had no idea where I was. So every time I fell asleep for a week, it was like that.

That's so weird. Did they say what it was caused from? I knew that I was just so, I was beyond exhausted. Like delirious. Yeah. They thought that it was from the meds. So they stopped giving me medication, which sucked because I was in so much pain. Oh, wow.

Because you had a C-section. Yeah. So that's the other thing. Why were you guys so tired? Like I never felt tired. I, because my, the baby was so big, I wasn't sleeping at all. See, and you know what? I think back to that and I'm like, why was I so tired?

Because with Lincoln and Lux, I was a champ. Like it was great. I never, like my favorite part of everything was labor and delivery. Right. So I don't know if it was just because I was young or if it was the in and out or I don't really know. Like I was so tired. I felt like the first six to eight weeks, like I, like I would sleep on the floor in

Isaac's nursery. Like I could not. Are you serious? Yeah. Oh my gosh. I did the same thing. I like couldn't. And then Joe's dad had to come up and talk to me and be like, you need to leave this room.

Oh my gosh. So you think you definitely experienced postpartum? To some degree. I mean, I got over it and I didn't need medication. I didn't see anybody not saying that anyone should ever do that. But no, because it gets worse and that's what happened to me. Now I'm like, okay, that probably was some degree of postpartum. And then I just like, I think a lot of women whenever they're like going through it, don't

realize that it is postpartum. Right. Cause I didn't experience any of that with Lincoln or Lux. Let's take a minute to talk about self care. I think especially for women, we're often so busy taking care of other people that we forget to take care of ourselves. That's one of the reasons why we wanted to talk about better help, which is an online counseling service where you can talk to a counselor from the comfort of your own home

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back and my husband's like, I think you need to go talk to a doctor. Like normally you're all about working. And then he said that I said, I was like, yeah, you're, you're right. And so I went and saw my primary care doctor and you have to fill out those questionnaires like on a scale from one to 10, have you thought about committing suicide and everybody lies on that. And I wasn't going to circle yes because I don't want my baby to be taken away. But in the, oh wow, yeah, I guess I didn't think about that.

In the room, I started hysterically crying. Like I couldn't breathe. And so she gave me some Xanax and Zoloft and told me that I had postpartum anxiety. So they different? Yeah. Yeah. Anxiety is like overly, you feel so overwhelmed, no matter what. Like your plate is full, you feel like your schedule's full and you can't pull yourself

out of it. Like you're always going to be overwhelmed and busy. And a lot of people that have like postpartum anxiety have fears like about their baby. It's like racing thoughts, racing thoughts. Yeah. You can have like headaches. It can cause like random things, you know, like bowel problems, which I was, postpartum anxiety.

Yes. Okay. I never heard of that. Did you have any difficulty like with your sleeping and eating and everything? Yeah. Yeah. I wasn't sleeping. Yeah.

You know, we have, the baby was on like a two hour schedule. Right. So do they just prescribe medicine right away? They don't do like therapy or like how does that work? So that was the thing. There was a six week wait. For therapy? Yeah.

To see a psychiatrist or psychologist. Just prescribe medicine and. Yeah. And that's what they did. And so, you know, I had hope like, well, first of all, if we're being honest, I'm like, I'm not fucking taking medicine. I'm not. I don't want to be on Xoloft.

I also think that's more common than not. It's like, yeah. Like I'm bigger than this. I can't control this. Right. So I didn't take it. I did take the Xanax, but it wasn't working and normally I'm not a pill popper. So I would be, I had to take more and then everything honestly, it just got really bad.

One day I was sitting on the couch and I stood up and I felt like I was going to pass out and then it was like, I was like disassociated from my body. So that's the anxiety then? Yeah. It was like I was having an ongoing panic attack. But like. But what caught like, where's the, the panic? It's not like, like a frantic, oh my God.

No, it is. In my body, I'm like freaking the fuck out, but I have like an inner experience. You know, like if you have anxiety, not just like postpartum, but when you have anxiety, you can have inner experiences and not have the effects like on the outside. You know what I mean? If you looked at me, you wouldn't be able to tell. Right. That's, I guess that's what I'm asking.

Yeah. I don't know why, but I'd be like, oh, dinner's ready. Like I had major anxiety and I feel like, yeah, you like try to just act like everything's fine, right? Yes. Yeah. And that's what I was doing. But I finally, I called my mom and I, I said, I'm about to pass out.

I don't know what's wrong with me. Can you come up here and take care of the kids? And she said, yeah. Yeah. She came and she's like, I think you need to sleep. And then, sorry, I'm going to start crying. I think sleep is for me. I don't know.

I can't. Everything spirals out of control without sleep. I told her, she was the first person I told and I, I told her like, did you ever feel like your baby wasn't yours? Like, I'm not happy. And she's like, I think you just need to get some sleep. So I went upstairs. I fell asleep instantly.

I had the most vivid dream of this angel. I wrote about it on my Instagram and I was like, it was the most realistic dream I've ever had. It was this guy, this angel, I knew it was an angel. And he's like, you're going to be OK. And then all of a sudden he turned into a star and everything went black and like the whole sky went black. And then I forgot what he wrote in it.

I forgot what he wrote. I wrote about it on my Instagram and I woke up and I had no idea where I was and I was walking around. I was in bra and underwear. I took all my clothes off at my house. My mom was there watching the kids and I'm running around looking for the baby. I'm like, where the fuck is the baby? And my mom's like, are you OK?

And I was like, no, I forgot that you were here. I don't know where I'm at right now. And then after that, she's like, you need to go see someone. So I called the doctor's office and told him what was going on. They're like, sorry, there's a six week wait. Nobody would see me. And then every day it got worse. And I started hearing voices.

And at this point, were you still on the medicine or you haven't stopped taking medicine? I was taking Xanax. I didn't take the Zoloft because I still thought I could fight it. It's weird. When I was thinking about it, everyone's probably like, why would you take it? Why would you take it? But I was in denial. I've never been that so far in denial before, though.

Anyway, I started hearing voices and since I do readings for a living, I literally thought I was possessed. I was hearing voices. You've had a good life. I walked by pictures in my house and I would stare at them and just heard a voice. You had a really good life. And then one day I was in the bath and something was like, you should just let your rest. And I knew everyone would be OK.

Sorry. I haven't talked about this. I knew everyone would be OK except my daughter. I knew that she would turn into a stripper or something. Because I knew she would. I just knew that she would be OK. It was weird. But it was like I was in this trance state.

I wasn't in control of my body. It was the fucking scariest thing. It was like I was going to do it and then I had this moment of awareness that I was going to do it. And I fucking threw the razor and I went downstairs and told my husband everything. And so at that point, were you able to get help? No. What the fuck?

So my husband's like, you've got, so I call. They still won't get me in. But I'm on an emergency wait list. And luckily my OBGYN was the chief of OBGYN and my husband's like, you have to email him. So I emailed him and I told him everything. And an hour later I got a call. And they were fitting me in for the next day.

But that day I had a hair appointment and this is the other thing. I would be driving my car and something would tell me to crash it. Where I'm looking at every exit, can I get off? I'm so scared. I'm going to crash my car. I'm not in control of my body. And so I got home that day and I told my husband, you have to take me to the hospital. I'm not okay.

At this point, I'm like, fuck it. Take my kids away. I don't care. I need help. So I go and I tell them, which is seriously like the worst thing ever, like, hey, I'm suicidal. I'm just going to wait over here. Can you guys give me a doctor?

Because I'm normal and I look normal. But I have to tell them that I'm not okay. So they put me in a room and someone is waiting, like they had to have someone watch me, which is like, you know, it's kind of, it was pretty humiliating. And so were you like on a 72 hour cycle? No. Is that a thing? Yeah.

And I told my husband, you can't fucking leave me here. And he did? No. He didn't. No. They brought a psychiatrist in and where were the kids at this point? Do they take your kids or they don't? No.

Okay. So I was like so aware of it and honest that I, like I didn't want to kill myself. Right. And so I talked to the doctor and he made my husband leave, which was kind of nice because it was hard for me to talk to anyone about it. It's so hard for me to talk about it. Right. Of course.

And so I told the doctor everything and he, he said, we're going to, I'm going to prescribe you colotipin. Your anxiety is so high that we have to like get you like get it lower. That is a colotipin exactly. It's like a long lasting Xanax. Oh, I don't know why I thought it was like a pain med. No. No.

And so I took those and then I, and then he prescribed me Zoloft and I started taking it. I was going to fucking, if they gave me heroin, I would have taken anything just to be feel okay. I was so scared. Yeah. And I told him like, and when I go to the doctors, I don't say what I do for a living because I feel like they already think I'm crazy, but I told him, I'm like, I do readings

for a living and I feel like I'm possessed and hearing voices in my head. Like maybe I'm like half possessed and I have postpartum. Like I, I don't know what the fuck's going on, but they knew exactly that it was postpartum. Yeah. And he described it to me and it made me feel a lot better because I felt like it was not normal, but like other people have gone through this. So then I started doing research and that helped a lot because before, you know, we all hear about postpartum and I just, I don't know.

I didn't really believe in it. Right. Hopefully that's not offensive to anyone. But I don't believe in it, but I do think that some people don't have it and they just are lazy. Yeah. And they'll be like, oh, I have postpartum. Well, no, you're fine.

Yeah. See, I feel like if I would have had it, I would have been so ashamed that I wouldn't have like wanted to tell somebody that. Right. You know what I mean? Like I feel like I would have been like the opposite side of the spectrum for that, but I definitely had postpartum OCD. Like that's where my OCD started.

Yeah. Yeah. Really? Yeah. Like I was just being lazy. No, I've always been like OCD and like a clean freak, but not until I had Jackson did I develop, it was like postpartum OCD, like immediately after I had him. Like you wanted everything done a certain way and everything needed to be perfect.

It's like a control thing. Yeah. I felt like I was so in love with Jackson. It was like a love that like I had never experienced that I thought of all of the things that could like happen to him, you know, it's like, okay, childhood cancer, like all of like the terrible things. And I feel like I to cope with that, I overcompensated by doing things like that you could control that I could control like obsessively cleaning.

You also didn't let will gave him for how long? Yeah. We'll didn't give him his first bath until he was six months old. Yeah. Wow. I was really afraid that he would, he would kill him. Yeah. I was afraid like, oh my God, what a drug bomber goes and puts him in the bath upstairs and

then he accidentally like drowns him or let's like water get in his. I had those thoughts too. I wouldn't be, it's so funny that you say that because I couldn't bathe the baby unless somebody was home. Why? Because you thought that you would have heard him. I, it's, I didn't trust myself, but that's good that you were aware of that because I think a lot of women that do go through postpartum.

What was that woman's Andrea Yates, Yates, is that it? Susie might know Andrea Yates. She drowned all five of her children in the bathtub. But was it from like postpartum? Yeah. Oh, wow. I think you could have postpartum for a while. Like you could have it for two years.

Yeah. So she drowned all five of her children in the bathtub and then she like afterwards like was like, I did that. She told on herself. Yeah. Yeah. I just did it before and now I do. You're just not, and it just, the best way I can describe it is you just don't feel like

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and then not pregnant. Well, what I was told was when I saw my amazing psychiatrist, I love her so much. She told me if you want to get better, you need to sleep for two weeks straight. No working. You need to get a nanny. They have those nurses like around the clock nurses that can come home with babies. I wish I would have done that. I think I had such a hard pregnancy and I was depressed and I didn't realize it.

And then I had the baby and it was like this whole new person that I had to take care of and then like, you know, trying to pay attention to the other kids and then you like focus. I was so focused on my weight too and losing weight. Yeah, like I felt like. Karine and I talk all the time and I felt like she would text me stuff that just seemed off, you know, like, um, not happy to be pregnant and see, I didn't experience any of that. So it was like completely opposite. Like I loved being pregnant and I loved like how it changed my body and how amazing it was

to like know that my body could do that. And I felt like she wasn't experiencing those things. And then I felt like she also wasn't excited like to be, it was almost like a battle within herself. Like, she knows she's having a baby and she wanted it, but like once she was pregnant and like going through all these changes, it was like a, oh God, like a fearful that she's going to have him. So it was almost like foreshadowing the postpartum.

Yeah. Like I got a thing. I am a student. I, from my experience, I feel like that's what happened to me. Like you already became depressed or whatever, having anxiety prior to giving birth. So then once you gave birth, it kind of was like. It like opened a can of worms. Right.

And I can't imagine, to be perfectly honest, how I would feel if Will would have gotten to hold Jackson first, because I feel like you put your body through all of this like stress and trauma and change. And then you do all of the work to get them here. And then dad gets to hold them first. I mean, I feel like I would be a little bitter, bitter. Oh, it's that. And then if he would cry, if the baby would cry, Cody would go and take him and he would

stop crying. Cody is your husband. Yes. Okay. So if we're at a restaurant anywhere, it was like the ongoing joke, I just give the baby to Cody. It's like, well, I'm the mom now. And then finally I got used to her.

It's kind of nice. Like, okay, he wants you. But yeah, it was like, it was really that part not holding him right away. It was really hard. I feel like that it was a lot of things. It wasn't just one thing that made me depressed, but she was like obsessed with, I mean, I mean, after the fact of having the baby and she had, you know, texted me that she had the baby, it was like the things that she was focused on weren't the things that would

be expected. Yeah, would be expected. Like she was more focused on, wow, like I need to get my body back. I need to get back to work. I need to do, you know, overwhelmed anxiety of all the things that I was running from it. And I started working. I only took two weeks off.

I started, and I love what I do, but looking back, I should have taken four months off. Yeah. I mean, that's pretty common, right? Like, yeah, because even then it's like this responsibility in my head that I have to be at my office. I like, and then what I do, I feel other people's emotions. So not only am I overwhelmed with my own, I'm like taking on there as well. Yeah.

But I didn't want to let people down. And that was, yeah, it was. So what do you think helped you make the change going from not really wanting to hold your baby to, because you did make a change, you know, it was like you didn't want to hold him. And then I would get pictures of him and stuff in the bathtub and like you spending time with him. You said that you did start taking the Zoloft.

Yeah, that helped. And then therapy. And then I feel like I finally accepted the fact that I had postpartum and it was okay to feel this way. I wasn't fighting it anymore. Right. I wasn't ashamed anymore. I was like, well, I didn't bring this upon myself.

It just happened. It's something that I need to go through. Right. And then I started getting readings. That's the thing. There's a correlation between what I go through in my life and then the people that are drawn to me that I do readings for. And that helped me a lot.

Like, oh, this happened. I'm helping so many people. Right. Like people come to me, like my son committed suicide. And then I describe, well, I just want you to know, like I went through that as well. And you know, like you're in this trance like state and you have so much pain that you just, you feel like you have to end your life. And so that helped me more than anything.

But now, like things, it's crazy, like talking about it because now it's, it feels like a different lifetime ago. I don't have any- Of those same thoughts? No. Not at all. That is so crazy. Yeah.

I think it took a good month. Not that I'm- No, no, no, I get it. You're not calling me crazy. It's fucking crazy. Like the fact that you feel like it was a lifetime ago and you're just in a completely different state of mind, right? Yeah.

So- It's crazy how quickly things can- Right. Change. Yeah. And honestly too, when I would go to the doctor, I would lie. So like I would go to the baby's appointments and I would have to fill out a questionnaire for myself and I would lie.

Right. Like nobody's really saying if they're actually having thoughts of hurting themselves for your child. Yeah. And now, and then finally, I, after I realized I weren't going to take my kids away, I was honest. So my husband was so supportive, like got a nanny, my mom. I couldn't even interview nannies, like that's how overwhelmed I was.

I mean, I think that that's huge having a supportive partner during a time like that because I think a lot of times partners don't know how to support in a real way. And so- Yeah. I mean, he didn't understand it and, but he was trying to. Right. But some will just be like, oh, you know, suck it up and they don't really help. Right.

So that can make all the difference in the world too is having someone in your corner. Oh, he took the baby for like two weeks so I could sleep. That's awesome. I stopped breastfeeding. I was like, this is not working. I had to pump like six times to get one bottle. Yeah. So I was like, fuck this.

I can't do this anymore. That helped. My mom and my sister helped a lot too. I mean, I can relate like in some ways just because I had such an obsessive personality, but like, I felt like it was in a positive way, you know, versus being like in a negative way. I could do everything, but I could see where a partner in my situation would be resentful, you know, because I'm doing everything and I'm not allowing it and it was probably just

easier for him like not to fight me on it because it's just going to cause a problem. Right. But I definitely feel like I went through the struggles and I have heard other moms talk about it too of feeling like they neglected their husband like during that time and, and I did that. I did too in a different way. And just recently I've realized it. Yeah.

And it's always something though, you know, like I feel like I went through that and I learned so much and now I'm undoing the behavior. Right. So I feel like I pushed a lot of people away. I would not leave my house, my friends wanted to hang out. Never intentional. No. Everybody has been awesome about it.

But like looking back, I see it now. I didn't see it before. I mean, hindsight is always 2020. Yeah. So you can always kind of, but you're making up for it now and living better now. Yeah. And the baby is happy. Are you ready to try on the most comfortable flat that you've ever worn that you can wear

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You still have her. I don't want her to move in with me. She just got new place and I told her, we have an extra bedroom if you need to stay for like six months, recharge. She's Brazilian and so she speaks Portuguese to the baby. So the ongoing joke is like his first word is going to be in Portuguese and before it bothered me and now I'm like, no, it's okay. He sees her and he smiles so big and I feel happy that he has her too.

You know what I mean? Yeah, it's like a third person to love like, you know. Yeah. So then I can take care of myself and I can be okay. I was telling Lindsay about this show that I started watching on Netflix called Work in Moms and one of the moms on the show is in that same situation. So her and her husband have a nanny who takes care of the baby and you know, there's like a running joke in her office that the baby's first word is going to be with the nanny and

not with the mom. But like same situation, but like she's like, no, like the nanny is good for them. You know what I mean? Yeah. I should watch it. It would be good for you. Yeah. I, yeah, I should watch it.

It's funny too. And you can relate. Like they're all kind of going through different things as mothers like working moms, stay at home moms, all that stuff. Yeah. I love her. But it took a good six months until I could be alone with the baby. Okay.

So now I have Fridays off with him. So just me and him doing the day. But I was so scared. I kept putting it off and putting it off and putting it off. And then finally I told my mom like, hey, I'm going to do this. If I call you, I'm going to need you to come up. Yeah. But I was fine.

And now it's fine. It's great. But I'm so scared to get off the medication. So do they taper you off or do you stay on it? Or how does that work? I told my psychiatrist. I've had a lot of other things going on too, not just this. It's been one thing after like huge life changing events like equivalent to like people dying.

Oh, wow. Yeah. It's been a really hard year. Um, so I told my psychiatrist, I don't want to get off until things I have like a normal life of five months. Right. And so she then would they taper it? Yeah.

Okay. So you'll like ease off of it. Yeah. But I'm not on anything else. I was taking sleepy meds and clonopin and not on anything else right now. So you had to give like any advice to somebody who might not recognize that they're going through postpartum or somebody that is recognizing that they're going through it. Like what advice would you give?

Get help as soon as you can because it gets progressively worse pretty quickly. Like I started, I felt overwhelmed, but I wasn't hearing voice, like voices. And when I say hearing voices, it's just like negative thoughts like you're a piece of shit or you're a bad mom, like, you know, a bad voice in your head, um, get help as soon as you can and be honest about it. And it's more common after going through this. I get so many emails and whatnot because I posted on my Instagram of people that were struggling as well.

We just don't talk about it. Yeah, and I think there's a lot to be said to the partners of people who are going through postpartum too. It's like, if you're recognizing these signs in your partner, like they need to be mindful of the red flags too. Yeah. Looking back, that scares me because if my husband would have said anything, then I would have not recognized it at all.

Right. Right. Yeah. So I, I just, I recommend getting help and don't feel shameful. You have no control over it. And I was so against being on medication, but it's like, it saved my life. Yeah. So, um, changing gears a little bit.

Tell us about, from the last time that you were on the podcast, um, she gave Lindsay Nicholson a reading, um, while we were podcasting. You've done other readings or coffee convo as listeners too, right? Uh-huh. And I did one for her over the phone. Yeah. Um, if you guys don't remember, Lindsay Nicholson was on 16 in pregnant and she had the NICU story with her twins.

Um, it's funny cause I never really remember what I tell people, but she messaged me and said, you told me that I was going to start my own business, a clothing business and blah, blah, blah. And she did. Yeah. And she did. And she needed after her daughter, who was one of the NICU twins. Yeah.

I told her some other things too. And, um, I guess it all happened. I, she was very thankful. Yeah. She's great. Yeah. I love her. Um, I've met so many people from doing this podcast cause I'll ask people like, how do

you find me? Cause I'm just interested and they'll say coffee convos, like so many people, all of, I haven't, and from doing the podcast, I was very scared about like negative backlash about what I do from like religious people. I think I got two emails and I just deleted them. I didn't really even read them. So I just want to say like your listeners are amazing. Yeah.

They're really great. We let them. Most of the people are, have thought about getting a reading, but they were too scared number one or number two, they didn't know like a legit person. And so a lot of people just put their faith and trust in me. Um, but two days ago I did, uh, two different readings for listeners. One, dude, it was awful. One of them, um, was this woman and she lost her boyfriend and they have two kids together.

Oh wow. And I just, it's weird. Every time I do a reading, it's different. Like they'll use my different gifts. And so I get very, um, intrigued and like so amazed when they use the site gift because I like, it's kind of like watching a movie in your head. So I'm like talking to her, but I see this thing play out. I see this guy and I know that they're doing like a drug deal or he's like selling drugs,

something to do with drugs. And then he got shot and, um, I said the guy was Mexican, but I guess he was Puerto Rican. Um, anyway, she flipped out cause she didn't believe in it, but she was like hoping to believe in it. Right. It's, yeah. And I brought up, oh my God, he kept just saying, sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, cause he had told her that he was not doing it anymore and he was doing it behind her back.

And I knew that and he communicated that to me. And then he brought up their three kids, which was like, oh, like, oh my God. And so I feel how he feels where like I left my kids behind. Right. And he was like explaining it to her and, um, he brought up a whole bunch of signs that he had given her and she, um, it's so, she was so sweet, like the sweetest person I've ever met. Did you meet her in person or it was like over the phone?

No, she was over the phone. A lot of people are over the phone. I do email readings too. And people are like, how do you do that? Well, it's the same thing. I like look at a picture and then I start seeing things in my head and feeling things and I just say it. Yeah.

Um, but like I was telling you, the other one was this girl. And so I do intuitive readings, which are like, what's going on with my love life or my career? And then I do the mediumship. I like doing the mediumship ones cause that's talking to people who've died, but a lot of people will book intuitive and then their loved ones come through. So now I don't even ask like, what did you book? I just do it.

You just do it. Yeah. Cause two days ago I did the chick had an intuitive reading and, um, two of her friends came through one died in a car accident and the other one, he, I was telling you about it, he had like the best life ever scholarship, um, to college played soccer and he got on Accutane and was hearing voices and killed himself. And that's the other thing too, with the thoughts, I feel like as it's hard enough as a woman to admit it, but most of the readings I get that have to do with suicides are men.

I can't, there hasn't been one female. It's mostly men. And I feel like because they're not okay with talking about their emotions and how they're feeling, so they're, they just dig themselves into a deep hole and then they end up killing themselves. Yeah. I guess I haven't really experienced, I mean, I could definitely see that. Yeah.

For sure. But I feel like I've talked about on the podcast so many times how will is like the worst communicator, but also not only the worst communicator about plans, but the worst communicator about feelings. And it's like sometimes if we ever get into like a scuffle or like an argument, whatever, it'll be like something that he brings up that was like from so long ago. And it's like, why are you just now bringing that up? So I get it.

Cause he holds it in. Yeah. I feel like a lot of men do that. Yeah. Unfortunately. And I'm just kind of like, I forgot that even happened. And it's been bothering and eating him alive. Yeah.

Yeah. Yep. And I'm like, how did that, I forgot that that even happened, like I let it go after it happened. Yeah. Yeah. And I think that's why it changes a little bit. So men feel more comfortable cause I feel like a lot of the, the readings that I've done,

they feel so overwhelmed and they feel like there's no other way out. But from an outside perspective, it's like, well, yeah, like you were having financial issues and you got caught cheating on your wife, but it's still fixable, you know, it's just a really bad patch, but you're going to learn and grow so much from it. Well, and I think to men probably like, I don't know, this is just what I think, but I think men feel like if they talk about their feelings, then it's not masculine. Yeah. Right.

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What do you feel like is the biggest struggle in your marriage and what do you think the biggest struggle is just for people in general and marriages? Communication. Both. Yeah. Because I do a lot of readings for couples and if they would have started communicating, they would have started getting along a long time ago, but it affects your sex life because you start getting resentment, having resentment towards your partner.

And yeah, I feel like the biggest thing is communication. With my marriage though, I struggle because I'm really intuitive. So I don't know, I mean, now I know. I guess I struggle to know if I'm picking up on something or I'm being a girl. Right. Yeah. I can see. I don't know.

I feel like, so I just turned 27. If I was to get into a relationship and everyone keeps like preaching communication, like I already am how I am, like how the hell else do you, I'm communicating the way I communicate for 27 years. So you feel like at 27 years set in your ways? Yes. Well, I'm 35 and I've realized that I have a lot of growth change. I don't know.

But it'll get what I'm saying though. I totally do. Cause I have that perspective. Like it's my way or the highway, not in a negative way, but like I shouldn't have to change. But at some point when you're in a long term relationship, you'll start to see how that behavior is detrimental to the relationship. But I don't feel like you can change.

Like you just are who you are now. You can change. I'm working on it right now. Maybe you just didn't find the person to change you. Yeah. But then. Well, I definitely think that I've communicated different and different relationships based on the person with right, but if I'm, I don't know how I'm trying to.

It's kind of like the love language though. Like you need to know like their love language and you also have to know how to, I was telling Lindsay this last night, I'm learning how to communicate to my husband so he understands it. Like there's a way, but I think it should be from the get go. Like I guess that's what I'm trying to say. So like men don't think like us. No.

And I think relationships change too. Like I feel like as you get older, I mean, in my situation, I've been with Will for 10 years. So like my communication, the way I communicated at 19 when I had Jack shit going on could be a completely different way than I communicate today because, you know, I constantly complain about will not communicating, but at the same time, if I'm busy, I might not communicate all day. And it's like, well, what were you doing that you couldn't communicate?

And it's like, well, I was living life, working, raising child, you know, just doing the things and I might have not have had time to like shoot you a, I just love you so much. I want to jump your bones when you get home text, you know, like I just might not have had time for it. But you know now from all the fights that that pisses him off and so you will go out of your way like, oh, I haven't talked to him like, okay, for example, the last time you and I traveled together, I got the cold shoulder, like I've got the cold shoulder for probably like solid week.

Why? Because I was not communicating, but it wasn't on purpose because I felt like I was working like I had a lot of excuses that I felt like we're valid. I was working against like a three hour time change. Right. We were busy. I was like actually working. I was, I was doing things, you know, but I guess he didn't like that.

Well this time that we traveled, I made sure that I quote unquote checked in so I didn't get the cold shoulder when I got home. I know what I mean. I might, I might have sex when I get home instead of you will when you know, you guys are exhausting me and I remember what that was like when I was married and I just, I'm not ready to go back to that right now, like I'm not ready to deal with someone else wanting me to communicate when I just can't communicate. You don't want to be held responsible for those types of duties, but I feel like it's

like it becomes second nature. So it's not, no, it's not second nature. With the right person, but I feel like it's right and that's how I felt like I don't have time. I don't feel that way. You don't feel like it's a chore? No. I mean, sometimes it is, but if talking to him is not a chore, the chore is doing things,

someone else's way. You know what I'm saying? Like if I'm doing things my way, then that's just like me. I don't, I can't. But like, but thinking about having to do it somebody else's way, I'm like, man, this feels like a to-do list. Yeah. I understand.

I don't, I don't feel that way. So like, how do you feel, Karine? I feel like I will do what would make him happy because Kim Kardashian, she must be single forever. She must be going back from her photo shoot from Dubai. She's doing another naked selfie book. Mm-hmm. Really?

No. We're just making all this shit up. How many can you have? Right. Fan fiction. What? Let's put that in the podcast. It's just not a room.

Right. At least they'll listen to coffee combos. So what were you saying? Wait, what was I saying? What were you talking about? You said you'll do anything to make him happy. Oh, not anything to make him happy, but I, if, I will do what makes him happy because he does what makes me happy and it makes me happy to make him happy.

Okay. But Will and I are tit for tat. You know what I mean? It's like, well, he didn't communicate last week that he had a work dinner after work. So I'm like, uh-huh. Guess what? I'm not going to do what I'm in LA. Guess what?

I'm not going to do what I'm in LA. I'm not going to communicate. But I still do it anyway. See, I used to do that, but now it's not worth it to me. Like it's not worth the fighting. Yeah. I don't have the energy to communicate in the first place. So what are you doing?

So I'm single. This is why I'm single. Nobody wants to put up with my bullshit. And you know what? Including me. It's fine. It's completely fine, including me. I feel like you're so, you're a lot more easygoing than you may think.

No, I'm very easygoing. Yeah. But I am easily irritated also. I agree with you. Yeah. We were talking about that yesterday. I'll get so irritated like about the dumbest things, like, but it might not be dumb to her.

So like that might be offensive. No, it is dumb to me, but I can't help it. But like if Kale orders like coffee or something and if like Uber Eats didn't get here when they said that they were going to get here, Kale would be like, whatever, I'm just not eating today. And I'm like, that's so dramatic. Like who even says like whatever I'm not even eating today, they probably got stopped at the damn red light.

Like why is this such a big deal? Think about other things that you get irritated about. But I think it's, oh well, it might be the Accutane. I might be. No, no, no, no, no. This has been going on way longer than the Accutane. I don't know. Yeah, no.

Really? You're an irritable person. But remember we were talking about that yesterday, it's, I feel like it's anxiety. No, I think it's more like little things that I get irritated about and I'm like, and then I just get over it. It's not like a long term irritation. Oh yeah. No, it's like a quick like, I'm annoyed and then you just move on, like that's annoying

and then move on. But do you move on? Yeah. Yeah. Like something irritated me yesterday. I was like, oh, that's so annoying. And then I moved on. It was probably something I did.

No, I don't think it was you. Maybe it was the pizza I left out or all the Oreos that I stole. It was probably, oh, I think it was the wings. Yes. I think it might have been the wings. Like these are disgusting. Like I'm annoyed because I wanted wings. But they were not good or to like Kale standard or whatever.

They were actually very good. They were disgusting. But I think that that was irritating. So I ate all the flats. I was actually glad that she didn't like them because then I was like, more flats for me. But she was irritated and it was like. But I got over it quickly. I didn't bitch about it for a long time.

No, but it's just like Kale's going to let people know that she's like, she won't want to let people know. She's irritated. And then like once everybody's aware. Then it's fine. She's like, okay. It's fine. Yeah.

Once everybody's aware and also scared, then it's fine. Everything's fine. So tell us just what you've got planned coming up. I have nothing planned coming up and it kind of feels good. Well, me and my husband have a couple of vacations. Oh, nice. Yeah. So where are you going?

To Wisconsin. His family's there. They have really huge indoor water parks. Yeah. I've been to Wisconsin for the first time. It's so cool. And Wisconsin. It's at a hotel.

No, not in Wisconsin. That's what I thought too. No, I went to, I took the kids for Christmas break. We went and spent two or three nights at, it's called Kalahari. It's an indoor water park. Definitely don't spend more than two nights because you just do the same shit for the third day. That's so funny.

You say that. My husband wants to go for five. Oh my God. Yeah. Two nights was plenty. The kids didn't want to leave, but I was like, I'm, it's ready to go. Yeah, we're ready to go. But it was a good time.

Water parks freaked me out. Yeah. I was very disgusted. I'm going to be perfectly honest with you. I was like, the kids are going to love, love it, but I was like cringing the whole time. Like, you know what I think about water parks? I always think there's like, you're going to get fungus on your feet.

Do you know what I mean? Like the water, the lines. I don't know what's floating in it. Whose hair is in there? Yeah. Whose hair has been in there? There's like one, you got to go experience it and then maybe never do it again. I worked at a water park in high school.

And so I know more than you, fucking disgusting. So like, oh, like people shit in the water. There's like tampons in the water. Okay. No, yeah. That's not even a thing. I swear to God. Nobody put a tampon in the water.

Like a used one. Yeah. Like, I don't know if she had like a loose vagina, but and it fell out or what I'm dirty diapers in the water. Like how do you just fling down a slide and your tampon flicks out because there's this one slide that goes straight down and you, your bottom, yeah, I feel like, severe wedgie. Definitely don't uncross your legs. Front wedgie too.

I always feel like I'm going to get like an eye infection when I go to a water park. Cause I'm like, you know how the water like flings in your eye whenever you go down and then all the kids peeing in it. Yeah. I'm like, oh, I definitely got an eye infection. I need to go ahead and make a doctor's appointment in advance. Yeah. Like you're going to the water park on this weekend.

So by Monday, you should make a two. Yeah. You should start taking antibiotics before you go. Exactly. Yeah. That's so nasty. I feel like every kid wants to go to the water park. You know what I mean?

Yeah. It's like, I want to go ride the slides and do the dangerous things. You know, yeah. Oh, my kids had the choice between snow tubing and water park. And they picked water park. Oh yeah. I would pick water park too. I would pick snow tubing.

Just for the germ factor, I mean, next time they're not getting an option. Yeah. The water park was canceled. It was closed a long time ago. They closed down for contamination. Do you lie to your kids? Not anymore. Because I was just talking about lying about the water park being closed.

I was like, do you lie to your kids? No. My daughter is very intuitive. She has the same gift as me. I can't lie to her. I definitely told my kids that the pork was chicken. Oh, I've done that too. But this is a new thing.

But wait, do you lie to your kids? Like more than about chicken and pork? My kids asked me where babies came from pretty recently. And I said, you avoided technically not a lie. Technically it's a lie. See, mine asked me, and I told them the truth. What else? I told my kids that my mom's sick.

Oh, wow. I mean, I guess that's the kind of time, true. We don't do Santa, so we don't really lie about that. That's not a lie. By the way, I just recently, my daughter asked about it, and I told her the truth. And she's like, why do you guys do that? Why do you lie to us? And I didn't have an answer.

Why do we do that? It's so fucked up. Because it's to teach your kids something to believe in. Yeah. Do you lie to your kid? The dolphins. Yeah. Whenever we went to Mexico, I lied about the dolphins being sick, trying to think what

else I would lie about. Oh yeah, sometimes I'll be like, McDonald's closed, so that's a lie. Sometimes I'll be like, no, I don't really lie about other stuff. I'm trying to think of a real lie that I've told my children, and I just, I really... I was trying to think of one that would be big, and would be packed, but I just can't... But I've never done that. No, I sell them the truth, mostly. But I'll lie to Jackson a lot.

I don't think I've been in a situation to lie to them, I don't think. I don't think I've ever felt like I've had to lie other than the fact that I just didn't want to go to McDonald's, so I was like, they're closed for construction. I mean, that's... But like, where did I even come up with that? You know what I mean? Like, who just like, drives by and so I can't come up with... Well, actually, I did lie to my kids pretty recently.

So we have game night once a month with all our friends, and sometimes they're with kids and sometimes they're won't, but it's the same group of people. I told them before we went, I gave them a whole sweepy-o, because they've never been to this person on group's house, so I was like, these are the rules. If you misbehave, we're leaving. So we get there, what do they do? They misbehave. I gave them not one, but two strikes.

So now... Two strikes. I had forgot the board games at the house anyway. So I was like, we're going home, but really, I was just going to go pick up the board games. So I was like, we're going home, get in the car, we're leaving. Oh, I've definitely done that before. And so we get in the house and we're literally walking into the door and they're like, but mom, we're so sorry.

We won't do it again. I promise. And Isaac's blaming Lincoln. Lincoln's blaming Isaac. And then Lincoln disappears and he's like, I'm like, Lincoln, where'd you go? He's like, I'm getting in the shower. I'm like, no, no, no, no. We've got to go.

We're going back. You know what I mean? So I lied, but with a lesson. But why couldn't you have been like, you guys, on the way home, you should have lied real quick and then taken a long time to get home, circle the block, and then let them have enough time to apologize. And after they apologized three times, you should have been like, you know what? I'm really thankful for your apology.

And because you apologized and we're so kind about it, this better never happen again. Oh, they were on their best behavior when we got back. Yeah, because they were scared because you forgot the word game. So I had to go home anyway. So now you're coming with me and you think we're going home. But then I'm like, that just completely, they're going to just, just, just behave. What is the word? Misbehaving.

Misbehaving. I mean, sign out real quick. How the fuck did you forget the board games on game night because it's Kale. Well, Kale forgets Kale when she goes somewhere. She'll be late to her own funeral. Oh, for sure. But they were so good when we got back. Well, that's amazing.

But that was a lie. If anybody is listening, which I hope you are, if you lied to your kids, please send us a message and let us know what your biggest lie to your kids has been because I'm interested. Because I want to know, like, if I've maybe done it too and just don't remember that I did it. Right. Right. Well, thank you so much for coming on.

Thanks for having me. It was so good to see you. So thankful for your friendship and so glad that you are well. Me too. I'm thankful for your friendship too. It's crazy. We met on Instagram, Kale and I, and then me and Lindsay ever since we had a phone call. I did a reading for you and we've been like best friends ever since.

Yeah. Just like, it works, you know? Yeah. You just click. Some people, you're just like... We've been through so much shit together in such a short amount of time. It's crazy. Yeah.

But anyway, my hope is that this helps a couple people understand postpartum or depression in general. Right. Yeah. So hopefully it helps. Sorry, I cried. Oh, that's fine. We'll tell our listeners where they can find you if they haven't already found you.

On Instagram, my name is Psychic Medium Kareen, spelt K-A-R-E-E-N, and same thing on Facebook, and my email is messagesbykareen at gmail.com. And my website, if you want a reading, you can go to my website, oh wait, yeah, messagesbykareen.com. Perfect. All right, guys, I think that's all we have time for today. If you have not subscribed to us, you can do so by searching the Purple Podcast app on your iPhone, type in coffee combos, click Subscribe, click the Fit Star, and leave us a written review.

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