Coffee Convos with Kail Lowry and Lindsie Chrisley - 82: Teen Mom Exclusive - Behind The Scenes Guest Special

Episode Date: June 4, 2019

On this week's very special early release off Coffee Convos Podcast, Kail and Lindsie invite cast members, Jade, Tyler and Catelynn, to discuss all things happening on MTV's Teen Mom. They're sharing all the details and inside scoop on what you can expect to see in future episodes of the show. Jade shares an emotional story about her parents, and the dysfunction that surrounds their volatile relationship, how drugs and alcohol have prevented her from having a normal family life. Jade also helps us understand the immense stress that she's experienced during these chaotic and unpredictable times. Kail praises Jade's actions and choices when keeping the dysfunction at arms length. Jade shares her positivity about the process of adoption being shared on TV openly and honestly. Jade is asked whether she has a support system in place, and whether she's considered therapy to help her through these challenging times. The group round up the podcast on a high note, discussing Jades schooling, strength and efforts to succeed despite her shortcomings.

Hey guys, we are on set of Coffee Convos podcast live from New York City with Caitlin and Tyler from Teen Mom Moji and Jade from Young and Pregnant. So thank you guys for joining us. Thanks for having us. Yeah, this was a huge surprise in last minute. You guys are returning guests. Yeah, you guys have been on this. For the third time?

Yeah, third time. And Jade, you've never been on our podcast. So this is... Oh, I forgot that they had been on twice already. Mm-hmm. Yeah. It's, um, this was like thrown together, I feel like. Oh, yeah.

It always is. It was well done. Yeah, it was great. So, um, I got a call about doing the podcast and I immediately told Lindsay that you... Well, first, let me just say, I was like, I have top student information. I can't tell you what it is, but this is what we have to do. And then she threatened me with my life. She was like, if you tell this information, then I will get in big trouble.

Right. You guys, so your new season airs next week and it's been 10 years. 10 years going on 11. It's crazy. Yeah. And it's actually a two-hour premiere. There's not been many of those. No.

June 10th. That's exciting. You guys should be proud of yourself. Wow. What are you doing here still? What's going on? People still like us. People still like us.

We talk shit about it all the time. That's awesome. So a two-hour premiere. Yes. And are you pregnant or have you had the baby yet? For the first couple of episodes, yeah, I'll be pregnant still. Yeah, I think Veta comes in a couple of episodes in, but... Cool.

We are so excited to see it. So Jade, we're happy to have you. Yeah, I'm happy to be here. I'm excited. Are you nervous? Are you nervous? Can you hear me? I'm like, yeah.

So thrilled. Yeah. I'm nervous. Yeah, I had like a little mini panic attack before I came. That's okay. Tell us about it. Tell us about it. I don't know.

I have a lot of anxiety. I have a lot of stuff going on at home too. So like I feel like, you know, when you're somewhere new and you're traveling, especially when you're with your kid, I feel like when you're not, when I'm not with my kid, I get really nervous. I'm like, okay. I don't know. It's everyone knows where she is.

It's everything okay. Like, I don't know. It's just a lot. Yeah. A lot that's going on. I think, but I met you last year, you said you're saying it's a year and a half ago now, right? It was a long time ago.

I feel like it was a long time ago. And I felt like you kind of were nervous then too, because I had seen you in the elevator and I tried to say hi and you were just like... Well, I didn't recognize you because I've never watched the show, so then you were in the elevator with your friend. I can't remember her name, Shores where's the bun? Becky. Becky.

And then I had no idea, so we're about to do the show together and we're going to hair and makeup and I have no idea. I'm in the elevator with you and I don't even know. So I'm in the elevator and then she's like touching and it's like, that's Kale. And I'm like, oh, okay. And I just didn't even realize so like I didn't say anything to you because I just didn't know it was you. I had no idea because like before I was on team mom, I never watched any of no one shows.

So I never knew anyone. I wasn't really familiar. Like my sister used to watch OG all the time. So I knew them from just like her watching and I kind of was around. So like I kind of knew the gist of their story a little bit, but I didn't really know much. So I just didn't even know. I was like, oh, okay. Yeah.

Well, that's probably a little bit awkward and intimidating too. Like you just like thrown into this like world. I mean, could you imagine it? Because we did it. It was like just on the rise. It wasn't a big thing. You're the first ever. We don't have no, no clue at all what it was going to be.

So I couldn't imagine being thrown into this right now, the way it is. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That's crazy. Yeah. Because I feel like team mom now is like the talk of it. Like, I mean, it's so like juicy.

Everything is so juicy now. So everyone wants to know everything in it. I feel like back in the day, like when my sister used to watch it, I was like, a lot of people didn't really watch it or really even know what it was. No one talked about it. Like, you know what I'm saying, like no one really talked about it. Like now I feel like people talk about it a lot, like people know what it is. People know who you say a name.

People know who it is. Well, I think the rise of social media. Yes. Like that's what it is back then. There wasn't a bunch of like when you guys got on it, there was no like what Twitter no instant. No, no, no, no. It wasn't like the word wasn't out there as much.

So now it's like I jump in and it's like Instagram, Twitter, everyone's like there. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So it's different now. Yes. Was Caitlyn a part of your top eight on MySpace? Oh yeah.

Number one. Number one with my bleed things coming all down my profile. Yeah. What do you think about though? MySpace was cooler. You could customize your own profile, your own like top, like your songs, like you got someone's vibe. Oh my God.

It's like the Android phones. It was probably pipping all over the world. You know, like Android customized. It was on there for a minute. What was your song? Mine? Oh God. I don't remember.

Something Rihanna. Probably. That's so funny. I love it. I can Google MySpace is still out there. Yeah. We Googled Caitlyn's MySpace one time. Caitlyn?

Mine. It was one time and it was kind of scary what I saw. I was embarrassed. I would love to see mine. People are probably going to look it up after this. I would love to see that. Didn't you have MySpace? Oh yeah.

Yeah. So you're a lot younger than us. So how old are you now? 21? 22. 22. Okay. So I just turned 27.

27. 27. Okay. Yeah, 27. So is that weird? I'm barking on 30. Okay. That's fine.

What? What'd you say? Dirty 30. Yeah. Dirty 30. We'll have a huge party for you. Dirty 30. I can't wait.

For sure. I'm actually going to have a crisis. I think every year I have my birthday I'm like, oh my god, I'm getting a little bit of my guy. I can't believe I'm old. Yeah. Okay. So let's rewind a little bit.

So tell us how you got on Young and Pregnant. Like did you apply? How did you know about it? I was on like MTV.com looking at music videos and stuff. So I went to the casting call just to see what like new shows would be out because if you look at the casting, you can kind of get a gist of what kind of new shows are going to come out with. And I just found out I was pregnant.

I was a freshman in college and me and my boyfriend at the time, Sean, we're living in like this tiny little studio and I would just be on my laptop all the time. So I'm looking and I see a casting call and it was like, hey, are you pregnant? Are you in college? Is your life fucked? And I was like, it's your life, that's me. So I clicked to apply and it was basically like this little sheet to fill out. It's like your name, where'd you go to school, your social media information, obviously

to make sure you're not like a fraud. And then you just had to send an email of your life. Like who are you? Like I just had to write it out. There wasn't like a questionnaire. It was just, who are you? So what did you write? I told him about like my life and how I grew up and my family and my parents and things

I enjoyed doing and where I was now and where did I picture myself and the goals I had for myself and like a week later, a girl emailed me saying that she wanted to do a Skype interview with me. We did a Skype interview and she was like cracking up the whole time. She was like, you are funny. You're so funny. She was like, I'm going to pitch you to the network and I'm thinking I was like, what the fuck?

And I didn't even tell Sean because I didn't think I would get it. I didn't think I would get it. So I didn't even say anything to him. And then like a week later, I had a producer was like, I'm going to fly from LA. I want to come out and meet you and I tell him about it and he was like, holy fuck. I don't know if I want to do this. Like I'm nervous. Like what this is like a big thing.

You're pretty much putting your whole, you have no privacy anymore like your whole life is out there. And I'm like, look, let's just meet her. Let's see how it goes. We're not saying we're on it. You know, there's a million people that apply for this. The chances that we're going to be on a television show slim to none like it's not going to, you know, let's be realistic.

That's what we thought to you. That's what I thought to you. Yeah. So I met her, we went out to eat and then she was like, we're going to do a trial test shoot, whatever. So we went out and did it. Actually, the show, like the first episode of Young and Pregnant where I'm in like the blue tank top, I'm pregnant, I'm like crying.

That was my first shoot ever. First time I was on camera ever in my life. And well, she hit me up right after the test shoot, like four days later, I was like, hey, we want to come out and shoot with you in like six days at this date. Does this work? And I was like, so did we get it? And she was like, yeah. And I was like, no fucking gift basket.

No flowers. I was going to have no, no, like confetti, no gift in my eye message. Okay. Cool. And then I've been filming since from then till now. It's way different from what it was. So you guys were the first people to ever film 16 and pregnant and teen mom. So it would have been a true life.

First of all, did you guys apply for the show? No, we did. Yeah. We did. We thought the paperwork, but there was no like, I think like a casting call. Yeah. And the announcer came to us at dawn and was like, email, they were looking for girls that were like three months pregnant, 16 years old that were like considering it.

Okay. Right. See, I didn't even know I was applying for teen mom. Like it was just like, are you in college? Are you having a child? So I'm thinking it had something to do with me being a young mom, wanting to like further my education and all the goals I had in my life. Like I thought it had something to do with that.

I had no idea. It was going to be a part of this franchise. It was teen mom. Yeah. I didn't know that. I had no clue that it was like going to be a part of that. So that was kind of new. I didn't even know until they came out to do the test shoot and they were like, this

is what show we're coming out with. And it was teen mom. They said they thought it was going to be young and pregnant, but there was like different names. So I didn't even, we didn't even know what the name was until we were almost halfway done with this season. They didn't even know. We were going around telling it, we're going to be on true life.

We're fucked up and having a baby. You know? Oh my gosh. So they were looking for parents that were that were considering adoption. Yeah. We ours was different. It was like a whole questionnaire. She had answered all these questions.

Oh, I remember that. Yeah. But it wasn't like, it didn't say explain your life. It was more like, it was weird. Like your mom and dad. I literally wrote like two or three sentences, I think, like I didn't write much and mine was just an email. Like just straight out.

Like all I was putting on a sheet was like, where do I go to school? What's your social media? First and last name. And then they're like, tell us about yourself. And I'm thinking like, how do I sum up my life and like one email? And then I'm like, how do I even sell myself to a network and one email? And I was like, you know, I never thought I would get on a show off this one email. I want to this day, I'm going to look at my emails to go back so I can read what I said.

Yeah. And they're like, yes, her. We're coming out there. I don't even remember because it's like, it was so just true to my life. I guess of what I said that I don't even remember what I even said because it was just, I guess I just wrote it. I don't know. I didn't write what I want someone wanted to hear.

I guess I just wrote just what I was doing and who I was that's weird because nowadays it's like celebrated. I don't know, when we first started out, it was like, we spent like, I'm at the first four years defending the series. Oh, it doesn't glamorize teen pregnancy. Do the Matt Lowry thing on today's show trying to be like, no, guys, really, there's like a point in the story. And it's crazy.

And now it's like, 10 years later, it's like, what? That's great. So wait, after you guys were on 16 and pregnant, how long was it before teen mom? We continued right away. It was right after we continued nonstop. Yeah. Oh, okay. Was it only you and the other, the other original girls that were on the 16 and pregnant

season? There was only six of them. Yeah. And then they picked four out of the six and continued. I would love to know how I got picked out of because there was 10 on my season. I would love to know. There's 10. Yeah.

I was the season finale of season two of 16 and pregnant. I want to know why the fuck I was picked because I'm a shit show. So like where, like where I've never seen any of this, so I don't know 16. I don't know any of this stuff and think like when this stuff came out, I was really young. Why, when you guys run to my sister used to watch you, I was in like the sixth grade. So I was like, I didn't know, you know what I mean? I was really young.

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So wait. So you applied and then you started filming and then they're like, you're on it. We'll be back. And then I've been filming ever since. How did your life change from being on the show until now, well, like before you started on the show until now, like, do you get recognized in public? Well, I dyed my hair. So now you don't.

So now I got my hair done. I look so different. Yeah. It looks really cute. I look so different with dark hair that I used to like get recognized all the time. Like in my state, just because Indiana is so small that when they hear someone from Indiana is like a local, it's on TV, you know, people on the lookout all the time. So when I look like a like a trash bag, people are at Walmart like, I need a picture.

Yeah. Every time. And then I was like, I need to change in my life. I dyed my hair. Now I don't really get recognized as much. So I mean, it's just weird now because people try to reach out to me all the time from like my past, like exes or people are like, Oh, God, you're doing so good. I'm so proud of you.

I'm like, I would have been doing good without the show, but yeah, I feel like I'm, I don't know. I'm still me. I feel like I'm really humble about everything. I'm still who I am. Like the show doesn't make me like, I feel like my biggest success isn't, you know, necessarily being on a TV show. But it's everything that I brought to the table in my life and where I'm at now and who I

am. Because without the show, I would still be, I feel like I'd still be successful. I'd still be following my dreams and going to school and doing all this other stuff. So I feel like that the show though, it gives me a great opportunity and I feel like I can live my truth and share my story with people and let other people know, you know, you're not alone. Like sometimes life sucks and shits hard and it's okay because there's other people that go through it and you'll be okay.

It's the whole reason I think why we kind of could just continue to do it for so long because listen, the social ridicule you know is just like, it's insane. I mean, people, you're putting your life out there for people to judge you and ridicule you literally for a living. That's what you're doing. And it's like people tell you to be open. Like you have to be used to it. You have to be used to being grass 24-7 if you're always used to that, you know.

You can't prepare anybody for that. No one can be prepared for that. It's kind of crazy how it just, I mean, it's wild. It makes you tougher though and it makes you live for you. I feel like because you, being on a show, it makes you realize you cannot impress, you know, you guys can be the best mother in the world, you can be the best for life, you can be everything and there's still people that are going to be like, you're the fucking devil go kill yourself.

Like, you know what I mean? All the time. So it's like it makes, I feel like it makes me live my best life for me and my family, the people that are right around me. I don't try to impress or try to make other people happy because it would never happen. Yeah, that's hard. I mean, even now, we've been doing the show for almost 10 years and I still struggle with that.

But, I mean, Lindsay can relate to, she did reality TV, so she is a completely different show platform, but it's the same thing for her, I think, right? Yeah, it's the same thing and I mean, I can see things from like a little bit different than you guys, you know, because I had a baby when I was 22, so I was a little bit, you know, older, but I see on your social media, Caitlin, that you, you silence your comments or whatever. So only people that I follow, only the people that I follow can comment on my stuff, which is like my friends and people that I like, it's in your settings, it's awesome.

I didn't know that either, so she told me. So it's like, only people that I follow. Only people I like, there's five comments on my, yeah, no, two of them are from my mom or my like, grandma, like, you're doing great, buddy. But I love it that way because it's only the people that I know. And show me how to do that on my phone, because I turn off all my commenting and plus the whole thing with the new, with the Team Mom 2 thing, people are like, drilling, I don't shut my comments off.

I don't mean, I might, I might do what you did though. So I wanted to ask you, well, first, what was your relationship like with the other girls from Young and Pregnant? And my second question is, how do you feel about being moved to Team Mom 2? Well, I don't, I talk to Kayla a lot, like from Young and Pregnant, me and her, I feel like we, like, see eye to eye about a lot of stuff. We get along, she's super sweet, I love her to death. I'm actually going to be going to her baby shower soon, she's having a little girl, which

is really cool. Yeah, I saw that. But honestly, I don't really have a relationship with any of them. We don't, we never really hung out and we're all kind of different. I feel like my mindset is very older compared to a lot of the other girls. I just have, I've always taken care of myself since I was younger, you know, like, CPS took me away from my parents when I was like 16 years old. I've been taking care of myself since then, so I feel so much older.

So I feel like I didn't vibe with a lot of them because they're only a couple years younger than me, but I feel like mentally, they were just in a different spot. You know, a lot of them lived with their parents. I'd been out of my parents' house since I was 16 years old, you know, it's been like, I've been on my own for like six, seven years. So I feel like I just didn't vibe with anyone as much or talk with them as much just because I was just somewhere else mentally and I have a lot going on with my family that I feel like I was doing so much.

I didn't have the time to sit around and talk with them as much. We talk on social media, but we never really did a lot of stuff together, like no shows except the reunion. We never went out and did like a little vacay together, you know what I mean, no type of way to bond really with each other. Well, I mean, that being said though, I think that the show didn't go on long enough for you guys all together to have done something like that. I mean, the first time you guys went on vacation together was years and years after the show

had gone on. The first time we even met was a while, we were a while into our season before we even did like that function together and yeah, I don't know anything about any of them because we never how, you know, we live at different parts of the United States. We don't really have a way to, I mean, we could text, but it's like, how do you get to know people? Right. We're on the same show, but it's like we're still living so, so different lives.

So it's like, we weren't on it long enough to really, I guess, start bonding. I don't know. Me and Kayla kind of bond like we tell each other a lot of personal stuff and we have secrets with each other and stuff, which is awesome. We stay in connection, but I feel like it's basically just me and her that are like that. That are close. So we had Ashley on our podcast a while ago and she told us the same thing that you all kind of just don't have like the friendship that I guess you like another girl from the

show from Young and Pregnant. From their season. Yeah. Like OG, I don't know. Like Farrah was always the oddball. It will be the oddball. Do you feel like that was season one though, too? Or do you, it was like that from the jump?

We've always tried. So Amber said that she kind of felt like she was a little bit of an oddball. No, Amber said that she kind of like tried to like take fear in and stuff. We all did, yeah. So, but so, but for some reason it was always, you know, me, see Amber and I and we always got along and really, and we're still all like that. Yeah. So after like a few years or like you automatically, you guys all just clicked.

Right away, actually. Well, you have to think. We were younger. And everyone was shy. So I feel like when we did reunions, all the other girls on my show were really like kind of shy and almost like, didn't really want to talk to each other. Like it was like high school and we're like filling it out and they're like, do we? Ours was way different because it wasn't anything.

Yeah. It was a crappy little stage with a graphic on the floor. It's like 16 and P. Dr. Dr. I mean, we didn't even, we all went out afterwards at 16 in New York for the first time. We're all like, whoa, this is crazy. Yeah. We all like, we actually did bond, I guess, the first time. Yeah.

We just, yeah. It wasn't anything yet. It was even to this day, like, oh, G girls, we're all tight as hell still and we all keep in contact. And I love you guys too. Like I think. Yeah. Well, that's cute.

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We had joked offset earlier today about this being like high school because I remember when we, Teen Mom 2 was announced and you guys were like, not salty. I don't want to say that's like the word, but like it was just kind of like, what the fuck is this? You know what I mean? Right. And so when Teen Mom, Young and Pregnant came out. We were mad about it.

I think everybody was just like, what the hell? Are we just not good enough? You know? Or like, what's going on? It was just like a territorial thing. I think it's just like a territorial thing almost. That they were like, we need something else. It's doing so good.

Yeah. But yeah, the interpretation is like, I'm on a show. At first, yeah. Like, why are you making more shows? Right. And rightfully so. They're doing so good. It's like, they need, you know what I mean?

Well, I'm not going to speak for the other girls, I'm only going to speak for myself, when I heard about Young and Pregnant, I was like, I kind of felt like how you guys felt. I was like, what the fuck? I know a lot of people were like, what the fuck? A lot of people were like, this is dumb. What's going on? Yeah. Some people were like, okay, cool, new stories.

Like I'm interested. Yeah. So I guess it was 50-50, like stuff I was reading online. Yeah, but at first, Young and Pregnant, I was like, oh, god, here we go again. But then I heard and they followed the same format. So Young and Pregnant reminded me a lot of OG and Teen Ups to the format was cool. Was the age difference? Yeah, we go from like, I was the oldest and then like they're being like a 16-year-old

and then 16, 17, 18, like it was almost like a view of being pregnant, so Young and what was cool is like people were like, you're way too old to be on it. You're too old. And I'm like, how am I too old? At 19 years old. You're telling me at a 19, 20 years old when you have a baby, you're a responsible, old enough to do. Right.

You know what you're doing. No, the show is about that even when you're 16 or when you're 19, when you're having a kid, you don't know what the fuck's going on. You don't know what you're doing. Right. And that's like the whole point of the show is to get that across that being 16 or being 30 and having your first kid is terrifying. It is.

So. But I like Young and Pride because it follows the format, like it doesn't, it doesn't go off all weird. It doesn't try to be something different. I mean, you know what I mean? What was the other show? What was the other Teen Mom Club? Right.

Oh yeah, that bombed. The, the. What was that? I don't even know. I thought it was the, I don't know what it was. Yeah. I thought it was, what is it? Pretty little mamas.

They try a couple different titles, slapping themselves up together, you know, yeah, fails. What are those shows that are real dramatic? And they look so like themselves. Yes. It reminds me of like MTV Teen Mom slash soap opera. And a lot of our fans were like, well, why are we going to watch this when they all live with their parents in the pool houses and they have nannies watch their kids. See Young and Pride is relatable because it's real because we all kind of, you know, it

was like nanny. See, I don't keep up with anything. I was like, I don't know. It's amazing. I try to stay out of like all of the social media like drama, I don't comment on other people's lives. I don't comment on their stories. I don't comment on anything.

I keep my nose. It's my own thing. Based on how the show is going right now, that's probably your best bet because there is so much drama even between Teen Mom OG and Teen Mom 2, the drama, the fighting. I mean, I've been in it firsthand. So I mean, that's probably the best thing that you could do to be perfectly honest. I just keep. We're very good at staying on a drama team.

We just got. We thought with a lot of people. I don't mind saying how I feel about stuff like I feel like if I mean, I don't give a fuck about saying anything to anybody, I don't care, but like I'm not going to go out of my way to do internet drama for clout or do stuff to, you know, for entertainment, to entertain these stupid ass ignorant people online. I'm not going to do that. So I even, I've seen stuff online where people have said little things, you know, but I'm

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Okay. I'm at school and they're telling me, like my producer, they're all saying that they have to tell me something and no one's telling me anything though. So for weeks, I'm just like, what the fuck's going on? So pretty much they pull me out at school and I'm like, out on break. And they're like, Hey, we have someone that we want you to meet. And they're all, and I, and they're all of a sudden all the cameras are up and they're with my producer and I'm young and pregnant.

They never break that wall. So I'm like, what the fuck's going on? And I was like, I'm going to poop. I'm scared. That's me too. I'm scared. I'm like, I'm a poop. I'm scared.

And they were like, it's okay. Okay. And, um, Kristen came out and Jamie, who is my new producer now, they come out and they're like, she was like, hi, I'm Kristen on Team Mom 2 and I'm like, cool, what the fuck that got to do with me? And then she was like, yeah, so we love you. We love your story so much. We want you to be on Team Mom 2.

And I was like, okay. That was it. I was like, cool. Were you not thrilled? I didn't know what to say. I was just like, I feel so wanted and popular. I don't know. I was like, because the show had been on so long that I can't believe they would want

me on a show that's been on for like 10 years with these same people that I've been on for so long. I had the same thoughts. Not you against you, but I was like, it's not broken. So don't fix it. And the drama that they had with another person that they added to the show, I was like, why are we doing this again? That was my sense.

I was like, I don't want to step on people's toes. I don't want like it to be, I don't want to take this job and it be this big drama thing because that's not, you know, like that's not how I am. That's not what I'm about. I don't, I don't like that, you know. And she was like, no, like we want you. You're not, we're not, we want you here. We're asking you to be here.

We're giving you this opportunity because we, we like you. We want you in our franchise. We love your story. We love who you are. So you can, we would like you to do this. And I was like- So did you have the option to stay with Young and Pregnant or it was, we're getting the opportunity-

Yeah, they asked me. Would you do or nothing? No, they just, I don't, I don't really know. She just asked me. She was like, would you like to be on the show? And I was like, yeah. Okay. One, am I only going to, how did you guys deal when they added the new stories to OG?

Like Farrah was gone and okay, now we're not going to add one new mom. We're going to add two new moms. Oh yeah. First, yeah. Let me know. All of us girls- Because we found out on social media. We found out on social media.

That's the problem. Yeah. All of us girls were very upset about it and angry and not happy. Now we were angry and mad at the girls. No. No. But we were angry and mad at- The way it was done.

The way it was done without telling us. The way it was done without telling us. Everyone's going to be like- It's not so much to do with you. And it's not something that, it wasn't like, oh Jade, like why Jade? It was more like, why are we the last to find out? And when were you going to tell us? Right.

Why are we finding out online? Which I understand, yeah. So- You know, if it was one of the other girls, it would have been the same thing. If it was a brand new person, we would have felt the same way. I mean, like I said, I'm only speaking for myself. But I was just kind of like, oh wow, okay. And then it was like, but we're going to do the podcast and we're going to go do this

and that. We're going to announce it on the show. And it was just like a whirlwind of things happening. Right. And then it all came out online. It was like, it felt like a matter of hours, but it was probably like a long time coming. Yeah. But it felt like a really long time.

Wait, because they don't tell us. No. Yeah. Yeah. So I wonder if they're going to add someone to OG then. I would hope not. I'm glad we're just signing in. I mean, Bristol stopped.

She, she, she, I mean, she can't handle the heat. So she got right out. So she's out. So I don't know- So are they going to keep it to four stories or are they going to add a fifth? I don't know. See, I was confused. I was like, there's going to be, everyone's like, on team up too, there's going to be

six stories. I thought, you know, I was still on it. So I was like, everyone, and then I'm telling my friends are like, why are they have so many girls? How are they going to have airtime? You know, there's so many. Right. It would be like two and a half minutes per person.

So I didn't even know then that there wouldn't, that I, that, that she was being taken off and that there was like, all this stuff was just going on. I felt like with like, OG, like the whole Bristol quitting. And then like with Young and Pregnant now, now they, they took off Lexi, then they replaced her with somebody, I guess, and put someone there. And then I guess that they already had in their head that I was going to say, yes, they already had in their head that I would say yes. I'm guessing that I'm assuming that. So they're already having someone there for my spot, right behind me.

I guess they assumed that I would say yes. So they had someone on backup, I guess, filming to go in for like where that empty spot would have been on Young and Pregnant. And we don't know who that is. Maybe you'll go on OG. No. I wasn't a teen mom. But you were a young mom.

Yeah. But 22. Yeah. But that's not the criteria. It's not a young mom. There ain't no criteria for no mom. It's just like, hey, listen, you have a kid, having a hard time. Come on TV.

She's not having a hard time. Come on. Come on, then. Young mom. I was like, I think they're going to replace me next. I faked being divorced like three times. It's fine. Like.

TV? It's fine. It's fine. I know I'm having anxiety really bad and I was like, fuck, I'm having a panic attack. They're going to be like, you don't need this show, get out. You can't handle it. Who's next? I'm like, fuck, I'm scared.

But I'm interested. So did the other girls know that you're getting moved? Yeah. Did you talk to the other girls? Do you know how they feel? So yeah. How, I was interested. Like, how did, who all knows from like young and pregnant that you're switching over to

teen mom too? Um. Well, the rumors started and I didn't say anything to anyone. Obviously they're like, don't tell anyone shit. So I didn't say anything, but of course Kayla asked me and I was like, yeah, I am. She was like, okay. So are you leaving? Like she's sad and all this.

And then Ashley messaged me and I just deleted it. Why, you don't get along with her? I mean, I just didn't, I just don't talk to her. So I was just like, I mean, I'm not going to answer it. You know, I mean, people just want to get, I feel like some people just want to get info or anything. I don't really know her. So I was like, I just delete any, even if Brianna asked me, I would have just deleted

it. The girl that's on young and pregnant. Oh, okay. I was about to be like, fuck her. Well, I just, you know what I mean, but I mean, Kayla, I talked to her all the time. So obviously I'm going to sit and tell her. And Ashley's defense, I think that she kind of knew something was going on and I don't know where she maybe knew it from, but I think that she was probably like me, me moving.

Yeah. Well, I think that she knew just like something was going on as far as like production was concerned. Oh, because we were trading, like people were moving producers and stuff. So I think people had an idea that something was going on. I mean, I think there was some amount of conversation with her, because potentially she could have been moving over. And maybe she was just trying to figure out if it was Kim Burm that you had, so then she

would know that she had. Oh, okay, okay, okay. You know what I mean? So I think. Like she was also like maybe in the running to be moved to Teen Mom 2. So she was probably just wondering for her own, like, was she going to Teen Mom 2? Right. Oh, okay.

Yeah. So that was more of like, more or less what that was because we talked to her in February for the podcast. Yeah. And it was kind of like. See, I had no idea. Like when they told, I had no even idea that's weird that she wouldn't. She knew.

Somebody knew. Somebody knew. He has known for a long time. Cause I was like, I had no idea. Like when they asked me, I was like super confused. I was like, oh, okay. I didn't even know. So that's why.

It's the whole thing. It's the whole thing. She's been thinking. She's been thinking. No, I don't think she was thinking that she was going to, I think that she was just trying to figure out. That's weird. I had no clue.

It was like blindsided. I was like, oh, I had no idea. I thought they were going to, I don't know, tell me they were giving me a gift or something. I don't know. I don't know. Of your basket. Yeah. I'm getting on the shelf.

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Yeah. On your 10 year anniversary. I know. 10 years. June 10. A decade. So this new season is about to air literally 10 years from when you guys started. Yeah.

How does that feel? It's like, so yeah, like what Morgan just said, yeah, so what it aired 16 and pregnant aired for the first time June 11, 2009. And so now this new season is June 10 that it's starting in today is Carly's 10th birthday. Yeah. Today is Carly's 10th birthday. Yeah. How does that make you guys feel like old, like what does it make you feel old or I just

think it's. I don't know. I don't know. As any other reality show went on for 10 years, I think that keeping our connections is like 12 years. I always forget about that show. I don't know. I don't know.

You guys are like the foundation for the teen mom franchising. We are. Like the face. That's right. So listen. Hey guys. We hate now. But listen seriously.

It's weird because you guys are talking about all this stuff. It's weird because we're like, dude, our show was never like there was no announcement. There was just crazy how much it's changed. I've realized after hearing you guys talk about how you got found out and you're moving and someone's at it and getting replaced, whatever, it's like, wow, it's crazy what it's turned into. It's just so simple. It's just crazy.

So tell us what we can expect for you guys upcoming season. Oh God. Beta. Baby. Oh, that's not baby. You guys literally made another baby that looks exactly like the last baby. Last two babies. Sean was like, they just made twins, like they're just going to keep making babies that look

just like the last baby. They look the same. I know. We say the same thing. We say that we just like copy and paste. Yeah. But no, yes. So beta and I think just like, you know, last season was a really hard season for us like

emotionally and went through a lot of stuff, went through hell and back and did you guys move? We did. Yeah. So they'll see us like finally being in our new house and a new baby and just us as a couple being more solid than we were last season, like we went through hell and back last season. So I think it's like, it's always good when it's like, oh, wow.

And I get to see like my overcoming of all of this like crazyness that happened. I hope they do more crossovers because I feel like, love the crossovers. Yeah. Like I love seeing you and Amber and Kate, you and Amber and Macy together and just kind of like showing that dynamic because all four of us get together this year. Yeah. Cheyenne and Macy. Oh, that's right.

Yeah. Did you guys ever get to hang out with Bristol? Or that was too short lived? No. So what happened? What happened? I don't think she just quit. I don't think she could handle it.

I don't think she could handle it. Yeah, I think her upbringing, her lifestyle, it's like getting people ready to do a new console. It's like, yeah. I mean, image is really important. I think she just wanted to be as normal as possible. Yeah, I think she got out, which is pretty smart. We invited her on the podcast, but she didn't want to do it.

Or she didn't reply. I'm not going to say she didn't want to do it. She... But reality TV isn't for everyone. No, it's not. That's what I'm saying. Like you can't... But a lot of people that are like, that hate on people that are like really jealous or

like really like, I don't know. You know what I mean? There's people that... We're such an easy thing to hate. Or even have the opportunity, like if they were in certain people's shoes, they wouldn't be able to take it because it's like you think like, oh, I'd love to be on TV and then you get on TV and it's not anything like what you expected to be and it's so much harder and it's like, it's...

I don't know. I don't know. You know. People think they know you, know everything about you and can talk all the crap they want and yeah, it's... Yeah, when we first started, they were like, we were on magazines, it took to the second season for us to even get in a magazine cover. So even the first two seasons of our, you know, 10 years ago now, it's crazy that it

was like... It wasn't even close. We were like a disgrace to TV, like glamorizing tea pregnancy and all these things. So we said, no, we're trying to teach people. People like, this is what it is. This is what happens. We never really understood why they followed us in there because we, you know, placed Carly for adoption, but they found something in it.

But I think it's awesome that they ship... Because I think... But I mean, that's... They show the side of adoption. It's great to do something that you want to give your kid a better life and I mean, it says something about you as parents to be able to be like, I can't give you this, but someone else can. So it would be selfish for you to keep a kid that you feel like you could give the world

to. And if you couldn't do it, you know, someone else that could. And honestly, our... Which is, you know what I mean? Like that... We were 16. We were 16 years old, you know. Little kids.

I mean, we thought we were like, you know what you think. It's like, no, you're not. But you try to do the best... What's best for your kid, you know what I mean? And honestly, I'm glad that, you know, 11th Street and MTV did share the adoption story because that was like the first ever in history, the real authentic showing of what an adoption is like. It's not like lifetime when we're hiding in the bushes trying to steal our kids back or

like trying to murder the adoptive parents to steal their back. Like it was a true, the first ever like real raw authentic representation of what an open adoption looks like. Honestly, I watched all season from like the beginning and that's the first thing that I really knew like truly about adoption. Yeah. Just watching you guys. That's why I'm glad that they did choose us to share that.

Even after doing that. Educated a lot of people. It's been three years traveling across doing the speaking engagements and all about adoption. That's when I started, like I would see parts of your guys' show and it was, the episode I remember is when you gave birth to her and then you were her new, like her new mother that was adopting her came in and I remember someone, I said something about it at school, like about this show and I was really young, someone was like, how could someone give up their kid and said something negative and I was like, I looked at it positively like,

wow, you have to be a really strong person to give a kid the world that you could not give them at that time. Right. You know what I mean? I feel like it's small minded people that look at life so narrowly and there's other open minded people that, you know, commend you for doing that. You know what I mean? Plus, a lot of people didn't realize like there's a severity of our situation.

I mean, our parents were strung out as hell on drugs. Right. You guys are like six years old. Yeah. Evicted every single two weeks. Because they're smoking crack and my mom's smoking crack with them and drinking. Getting evicted every two weeks and moving in these dumpy little places and just like it was just, yeah.

That was the one thing that I feel like I resonated with your guys' story because my mom was the same way and so I was like, they need to show more of that. Like not these, let me not talk shit about that. I mean. Let me not go there. But it's like that and also that like kids that come from chaos and addict families can overcome that and break the cycle and do things differently with their lives, you know. I do have a question for you though, being a mom that put her child up for adoption, obviously

watching the season back, how did that make you feel seeing the other moms like with their kids? In the beginning, I think it was hard like seeing everybody else with their children. But I'll tell you what, at reunions and stuff, I was like mother goose to give me all the babies. I'll watch all the babies. You can drop them off, you know. So I think also though, I think it was also healing to be surrounded by that and see everything

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That's betterhelp.com slash coffee. What is going on with your dad, especially for the new season? Is he filming? Is he sober? I mean, he's filming. Yeah, he filmed a couple of scenes. I went down there. So, in the season, you know, see me go down there, I think 12, 12 times, yeah, in Texas,

he got out of the rehab, he did his sober, you know, sober living, all that stuff. My sister ended up going in right after him. So, your sister has, she just celebrated a year of being sober. Okay, I didn't even know I don't think that she was struggling with addiction. Oh yeah, bad. So, okay. And I wasn't kind of nile about that, but whatever. But anyway, so she has, she completed her rehab program.

So, I went down there just recently to celebrate her one year, you know, give her her one year sobriety chip. Didn't see my dad, he's relapsed, he's in the middle of rehab right now. So, that's the reality of that situation. So, right now, now we go back to square one and do this whole relapse thing and we kind of ride this train out and see what happens. But that'll be the new season and so. Your dad's girlfriend, her ex-girlfriend, reached out to us about having her on our

podcast. Oh man. Caroline? Come on, Caroline. She is a baddy whack job. Let me tell you something about Caroline. She better know what she said. Caroline.

Is she on the new season? No, she's fucking distressed. She is? No, she is. I would probably, I would, I would have you read her out for me, or no, just actually invite me to it secretly and buy her a happy time. We should do that. We'll do that.

So, it's just that she said about my sister-in-law does not make me happy and I would love to beat her ass. And. So, are they still together? No. I think that's right. No, yeah. They're not together.

They're not together now. They're always on and off though. Well, yeah. It's just a fucking whack. She messaged our press email. Oh, I bet she did. Just wanted to throw it out there. I bet she did all wine drunk at 12 a.m.

I mean, that's usually when they do it. My mom does the same thing. Yeah, but she's a different breed. Oh, okay. Great. Well, I mean, if you ever want to get together for the podcast, let us know. We'll see you in that coming season. Fantastic.

We'll see you. I don't think so. She's a very, very... Because I said, if I see her, my ass is going to be sitting in jail. The bottom line is, my sister went to Texas. Oh, Tyler, yeah. He's like, I know, honey. I'd bet you.

Yeah, I mean, my sister went to Texas to do her recovery stuff for, you know, all that, her traumatic events, and she wanted to get sober. She's talking about it on my camera too. Yeah, and she's mentioned it on my camera before, and you'll see it in the season. But she, you know, talking about her sexual abuse, she suffered growing up as a kid for, you know, years on end for my mom's boyfriend. She was dating at the time. So she has sexually abused for, like, years.

You know, what Caroline kind of crossed the line was saying that, you know, Amber, you liked getting by your mom's boyfriend. Oh, no. You liked it. You liked it. You enjoyed it. Stuff like that. So she went wild.

So, and I'm going to tell you right now, that's the sign of relapse, right? So my dad dating a woman who's going to reach out to you guys in probably a crazy drunken state. You know what I'm saying? Sure. It was a long email. I bet it was. Yeah, I bet it was.

It's kind of crazy. I just wanted to let you guys know. But I know that you, we have talked about it on other podcasts about my mom struggling with addiction. And I know that there is, like, news that your mom has been arrested. Yeah. You can tell me to fuck off. You don't have to talk about it if you don't want to.

But I just, you know, we did touch before on, like, having no privacy. And I kind of feel like this is still kind of new to you and probably to her too. So having that type of, like, sensitive, you know, stuff going on in the media is really hard. Yeah. Actually, both of my parents were just incarcerated this last week. And my mom, she got, I believe, two felonies and two misdemeanors. And my dad got three misdemeanors.

And they got, my dad got OR'd a few nights ago and owner cognizance. Like, they let you out thinking you're going to go to court. And they've been... Are they together? Your parents are still married? Yeah, they're still married. They've been going through, they've been strung out for, like, so long. And, like, they're, like, binge addicts to where, like, they'll binge.

And then they'll be okay. They'll be okay for a while. And then they're fine. And then it's, like, a fairy tale for, like, a month. I have my mom back. I remember the last time that I... Well, the first time I met you, you were in a good place with her and things were great. It's how it always is and it's, like...

It hurts because I'm, like, I've grown up and I don't have, like, I haven't had my mom there. And she came back. Okay, my dad got OR'd and he came to my house at, like, one o'clock in the morning, banging on my door. Like, I have school in the morning. I have a child. And he pretty much, like, steps on all my boundaries. He says he doesn't give a fuck about, like, what I'm doing in my life.

He doesn't care about the stress they put me through, the anxiety. Like, the panic attacks I've had, the whole, the heartbreak I go through. And I'm, like, get out of my house. It's one o'clock in the morning. He's telling me to give my kid to him. Like, give me your kid. I'll watch her. It's one o'clock in the morning.

Like, my kid is in bed. We don't play this shit in my house. I have school. I have shit I have to do. I'm the president of my school. Like, I have so much stuff I have to do. And I finally just, like, snap and I was like, get the fuck out of my house. I'm tired of you doing this.

You come around all hours and nights. You just got out of fucking jail for smoking meth. Like, get the fuck out of my house. And he was like, fuck you, you worthless bitch. He was like, you're not shit. Like, all this stuff because I'm not giving you handouts. He told me I was worthless. I was a piece of shit.

He was like, you're a stupid bitch. You're nothing. Like, pretty much like, I'm nothing. And I was like, get the fuck out. Like, go. And I sat in my bed with my kid and cried, like, on her chest. It's horrible. It's horrible.

Like, my heart was hurting because my real dad, I'm sorry. No, that's why we gave you the tissues. My real dad committed suicide when I was six months old. And that was the only dad ever, no. I'm sorry. Can I have the tissues? You don't have to say sorry. I've asked several times.

Yeah, don't be sorry. I'm sorry. No, you're fine. I'm going to take a minute. The only dad I've ever known. I feel like my real dad never loved me enough to stay. And now I feel like even I have a second chance at a father, and I feel like he never loved me enough to stay clean.

But I think that even through all of that, it speaks volumes that you didn't go down that path as well. And I think that you should really commend yourself for that and know that you're doing everything that you can to be the total opposite of what you were given. Yeah, I've always just tried to make my parents proud of me and always tried to, like, listen to me. That's not them talking.

That's not your, it's the drugs. Yeah. And I think everyone in this, not everyone in this room. It's hard. It's like I know it's... It's hard to see love through the camera. Yeah, it's hard to see. It's smoking in Beth for, like, eight, nine years.

Like, fuck you up. Yes. And, like, it made my mom is like... My mom isn't even the woman, like, the strong, beautiful woman that raised me. It's like I look at this hollow shell of, like, a monster. That the drugs created. And it hurts so bad to see her like that.

She got OR'd two days after my dad did, and she came over. And the way that she looked was like... Like, you don't even know who she's... Like, it was awful. She's lost... She's always been, like, a bigger woman. Like, a lot of women in my family have just have always been bigger from, like, thyroid issues.

And her clothes are, like, hanging off of her because she's lost so much weight. And a week before, I called her. And they're filming me. And I sat on the phone and I broke down in the car and it was like, I'm just on my mommy back. Did she answer me? I'm on my mommy.

And I was like, I want you to change. And I want you to be better. And she was like, I swear to God, I'm not on drugs. I'm going to be there. I'm going to be the mom that I used to be to you. And then I hear that she's in jail. And I check her charges. And they're a possession of methamphetamine,

possession of paraphernalia, possession of cocaine, possession of all of this, all of this shit. And then my dad possession charges, like, all over drugs. And I was like, how do you sit on the phone with your daughter? And you listen to your daughter crying big for her mommy? I'm talking to you. And I just want my mom there. I've never had her there.

And she's not a bad mom, but like the drugs have turned her into a monster. And like, I feel like now, I've just almost gave up on hoping that everything's going to get better because it just doesn't. I feel like for years, I've been in this like, blinding myself, like, oh, it's going to be okay. It's going to get better, like, they're going to get better.

Everything's going to get better. And then, like, there's those months where, like, they're not binging, and then they're there. And she's there with my daughter, and it feels good. And it feels like it's so real. And everything, oh, my God, this time it's going to be better. And then weeks to go by, and I don't talk to her. I don't see her.

And then I see her in a few weeks. And I see how she looks. Like, the bags under eyes, the scars on her face are picking at herself, like, and it makes me sick. And then I feel like I'm horrible to my mom because I'm telling her to get out of my house. She's not allowed on my property. Because I'm terrified that someone's going to,

she's going to have drugs, or someone's going to, like, call CPS and be like, this dopehead is at your house. You're protecting your babies. You're protecting your home. And I can't have her there. Yeah, but you did the right thing as far as, like, you know, you shouldn't feel guilty for not wanting her in your environment. Because one thing that me and Kate have learned

is that the boundaries are the most important thing, especially with parents who have addicts. Yeah, they have no boundaries. And then I have to tell my mom to, like, I was, like, when she came over from jail, like, I told her, like, don't pass that second step, motherfucker. Like, you stay out here on the porch. Like, I have to tell my own mom, like,

you can't even come onto my porch. You're not allowed on my porch. Like, and she was like, you treat me, like, so awful. And I'm making her upset. And I'm like, but I have to do this to you. This is something that Caitlin and Tyler and I and Lindsay have all talked about on the podcast before. It's like, I struggle with that, too.

Like, do I have my mom in my life and set boundaries, or do I just completely cut her off? And that's me every year. Do I cut her to talk off and say bye, or do I keep trying to make this work and keep hurting myself? And I think it's whatever, you know,

if you can cut them off and feel really peaceful and whole and honest about that situation, that decision and feel really good about it, then, like, that's great. And I wish I had that power to do that. I don't. I literally, after we did that podcast,

the last time we were in New York, I wanted to reach out to my mom and I decided it was best. No, because I couldn't, to me, it's almost like what I don't know doesn't hurt me, and I feel like I can't have that boundary where, you know, stay on the bottom step.

You know what I mean? I don't have that, and I'm not going to take on her problems when I have, you know, three kids and three baby dads, so I need to kind of figure this out on my own. You know, I commend you guys for even allowing them to let go of your caring.

You probably look at your life like, dang man, honestly, when you're not involved, it's smooth sailing for them. This was the first mother's day that I completely forgot that I didn't have a mom. Like, I was, somebody else brought it up to me. I think it was Isaac's teacher. She texted me and was like, I thought about you today.

You know, it's probably like really hard in one aspect, but really great in the other aspect. And I was like, oh wow, I didn't even think because I have cut it off, you know, what I mean, but it's easier said than done, and I think that there's a lot to be said about what we're all doing, but it's hard, especially now, because

you're kind of dealing with those things on your own and struggling emotionally, and now it's going to be magnified by the media. Yeah, I feel like the media makes everything so much crazier, and like this mother's day, I didn't get to see my mom, and I was working, and my ass off, and my grandma was like, new restaurant,

and my cousins were being little fucking bitches to me, and it pissed me off because my aunt was there, and I'm like, you can hug your mom, you can see your mom. But they don't know what you're going through. Serving tables where my mom's calling me from jail, and I can't even say hi to her, and I love my mom. And I want to see her succeed, because she raised me, she raised this successful

young, driven woman. How, you know what I mean, how does a person so driven come from what the media says, like trash, drug addicts, that's not what they were. It's like I want the world to see what beautiful people they can be, and like the drugs have made them.

I don't even know. Like completely different people. Look at that though, like you're already breaking the cycle for your daughter by like, being driven and hard working, and she's going to see them. Right, like I said, we could have all went down a different road, we could have went down the same street.

Yeah, I watched how they lived, and I watched my mom do, I mean, awful things, and I've seen so much stuff, and I've learned from that, like I never want to put my kids through that. I never want to put my family through that. I never want, you know, to be

homeless, we were homeless forever. We lived in people's cars, we lived in hotels, we lived in all these different places, and I still would go to school and make sure it is. I would still go and act like nothing was wrong all the time while I sit there and took care of my mom, but like, now today, with my new season,

I have so much anxiety. I suffer from really bad like PTSD issues from things that happened when I was little, and I feel like my parents have literally are killing me. Physically, right before this podcast, I had a panic attack

that was so bad, like the whole, everyone's in there, my whole crew's in there, like it's okay, it's okay, I was literally about to black out, because I get such bad anxiety, but it's like, imagine having parents, you're thinking about it every night, are they okay? Are they dead? Has someone shot her? Where are my parents? Are they going to bang on my door

at four o'clock in the morning and ask me for money? Are they going to come here strung out about to overdose? You know what I mean? I'm so stressed out and I feel like I can't even function in my normal life right now with everything because of the anxiety and like, from their stress I'm putting it on me.

You received out therapy? I was about to say. I just want to know the avenues, have you taken any avenues as far as like, you know, talking to anybody? I feel like I've always been so strong that it's so shameful for me to have to ask anyone for help.

And I feel like I'm now at the point where it's like, it's my anxiety, it's affecting me, my life, it's affecting my schooling. It's making me someone that I'm not. It's making me like, I was scared to come here. I've never been scared to do anything. I go out and I'm like, I'm confident and it's taken away like my drive, my confidence.

I never miss school. I miss school every single day. I miss school last week, two days in a row and my teachers are calling me like, are you okay? This isn't like you, because my anxiety is so bad, I'm scared to leave my house. I can't leave my room. I can't hear like loud sounds, like any vibrations

in my house and they make me like go into like a state of panic. It's bad. It's so bad. And I feel like a lot of it is coming from everything from my parents and all my family. I've been supporting them financially forever. And I have a kid and I support my sister who's

pregnant. I'm about to support her child. I have so much on my shoulders and I feel like they've taken and taken from me to the point where they leave me hollow with nothing. You have to fill your own cup before you fill anybody else's. That's like I'm just now getting there.

Yeah, but you said shameful for Asinford, but I think what's shameful is the suffer in silence. Suffering in silence, nobody deserves to suffer in silence. That is a very shameful thing to sit there and suffer in silence. If you really should not see any shame and seek out help, it will, if I didn't have

therapy or I did not, you know, like I don't even know where I feel like now it's something that I really I want to do now, but I feel like I just got to that point where I was like, okay, I can't do this on my own. I need help. But it took until I'm literally breaking apart and I'm

falling apart. You have to hit bottom. But if your parents are putting that much strain on you, maybe it's time to cut them off a little bit for a little while. And it's not even just my parents like Sean, I've supported Sean with his addiction for so long. He has the same addiction as them. That's why me

and him broke up. He's been struggling with his addiction and all the stuff he's done to me, he's been, he's turned into a fucking monster. I've literally watched everyone that I've loved around me like take me and use me and spit me up

and pick drugs over the love I've gave them, pick drugs over their family, pick drugs over my child. And it's like how how can you give someone so much love and support and be there. And it's like, still can pick to get high over

everything. Cause they're all drug addicts. It doesn't, it just doesn't click to me. Didn't your dad admit to you one time that he loved cocaine? Yeah, I had it, I had it, I said, listen, I knew it for years. You do know it for years. You don't stop, you love, you love meth more than you love your daughter.

It's not intentional. No, and my dad, he's honest with me because I made him get honest with me. But it doesn't make sense to him. So we don't under, like it's like I can't sit there and understand it because I'm not there. So I'm like, my mom would even tell me like, Sean, he loves you. He really does love you.

To the best of his ability, right. That is taking the hold of him and my whole thing is I'm not here to understand what you're going through. I'm here to love you through it. That's my perception, how I look at it. It's not taking the toll on you though. Listen, I've taken breaks from my dad. I know I've taken breaks from my dad.

I went years not talking to my dad. I've gone back to him. So I just ride this kind of rollercoaster. Whatever gets me at this moment. If I feel like my dad is sucking too much of my energy, then I'm like, dad, and I'll tell him to listen, man, right now. To say to my mom, literally, I have to cut. Like I can feel when it's starting to get

too much and too much and it's like you have to cut them off and they come back and you're like, okay, let's try this again and it's the same cycle. You never did it. You wouldn't be financially supporting everybody. So you have to learn to make a boundary and stick to it. And it's difficult to do. I mean, I've been like, you said that you've done that with your mom.

That you, you make boundaries. Yeah, and they're super hard to stick to. But you struggle because you love them. If you want them to change and you're like, if I love them enough, they'll change. If I support them enough, they'll change. They'll change. And that's what you would think because I'm like, if someone, but in my head, I always think

like, if I was an addict, like I always think with Sean, if you were like, why don't you leave him? Why don't you move on? But I'm thinking it's like, what if I was him? What if I was an addict and all that I needed was one person to believe in me and love me and that could have changed me. I want to be that one person that can help. Maybe into us, but they can do the change. After a while, it's unrealistic and you have to

let go of that idea of sometimes they need that hard love of like, listen until you get sober and you stay sober and you prove to me I cannot be involved with you because it's hurting and affecting me too much. Is your mom sober and healthy? My mom's definitely like a binger. Okay. Yeah. Which is like the heart.

I feel like that's the hardest is a binger because I straight add and call the time you know they're an addict. A binger is the worst because my mom manipulating me to make me think I'm mentally unstable because I thought she was on drugs. She would make me think that I'm crazy to think that she's on drugs and then she would

actually be on drugs and like I would be sitting there almost like I would talk to her about it and apologize to my mom that was probably high on drugs when she came to my house. You start questioning yourself like, oh my god, that's how good they are. And it is and people are like, how do you not know this? How do you not know this? And I'm like she's so manipulated that you don't understand.

They know how to, she's so good at it. Unconditional love for that is the perfect blinders. My mom would be the same way. I think that she might be drunk. I think she might be high. But it's like they're so good at functioning that it's like sometimes you can't tell and that's what's

scary is like. But your gut is never wrong. Yeah. But the bottom line is it's a disease, you know. I think it's a choice. I don't think it's a disease because you pick a choice to pick it up. You make a choice to fuck your family. I feel like you make that choice you need. It is a choice. I think a choice

that evolves into a I feel like it's a choice that evolves into I really do like smoking cigarettes. You just smoke me. Right. But I feel like at the beginning when you've never done drugs you make a choice to do drugs. You don't just wake up one day with a disease like I got to do here when I had the disease, you know. It's not like

do you do it at first and it's like oh I like this and then you're constantly going after which turns into a And I feel like addicts know when they start to get addicted and that's when there's you know there's people that I know and they're like oh I used to have a problem with this or that and then I realized I had a problem and I was like I got to cool it. So it's like what separates

those people from the people that can't stop. My mom has always have always very addictive like on everything. So it I mean phones games. I mean like things that were so silly she's always been addicted What's it changes your brain chemistry? It's over with once your brain is confusing up to

tell your body I need this drug to survive and live then it's over with it's over with. So it starts out as a choice and it evolves in your brain. It's just it's your body. It takes over. Yeah it thinks it needs it. It's crazy. I wonder if addictive personalities are like hereditary. Yes. Very.

They prove it. So is that are they gonna show? Well speaking of all that my okay in my new season like the way I've been filming I started going to school I actually graduate school in September for cosmetology. That's awesome. I'm really excited I like it. Hashtag

sleep by jade. I actually Sean's addiction and his struggles. Abuse and all of everything I went through. I left him and got my own house and I took Chloe. He didn't see Chloe for months and I was

so fucking sick and tired of this what was me bullshit he'd be high on Instagram live like I want to see my daughter I want to see my kid she keeps my kid for me. Instagram dad. Which is a fucking lie which is a fucking lie because I told him I catch you doing drugs I catch you lying you lose me you lose your

daughter and I left and nobody can keep a baby from its parent. I don't care what you say nobody can bullshit a baby. If you took my daughter for me I would do what you gotta do exactly you're picking stuff over your kid who doesn't see their kid for two months and say it's my fault

I'm like I told you you're not doing drugs you're not making me go through hell every day and I do nothing but provide for you and take care of you I go to school I take care of our kid I do everything a good woman is supposed to do for you and you still shit on me and take advantage of me so fuck off I went and got my own home a four bedroom

home I've had my sister move in so she can take care of my daughter while I go to school and then I support her financially my daughter and then the new baby that's about to be here because I'm about to have a niece and now Sean didn't see her for months and went on online and you know cried and moat and people were like

what kind of monster keeps a kid from their father and I'm like what must have taken something for you to do that. I'm like what kind of monster stays in a house with a fucking attic and let some attic watch their kid right or take care of their kid bullshit I'd rather make my life harder on me and know my kids safe than live an easy life with a in-home babysitter.

Because he wouldn't work I did everything I was the man in that relationship for four years and I was I was done and then now we're in a better place he won't begs for me back like every single day he wants his family back to solve this he he looks better now

he looks sober but he's a binge addict okay so okay listen Jay understand please understand that your own like your understand your own lack of you're not going to be able to tell if he is using it so just it's so hard it is so and he is so good at manipulating me and lying

and like that's why that's all I'm saying listen I'll be honest I firmly believe that I firmly believe that any father listen I'm as a father if I had an issue I knew I had an issue with struggling drugs whatever and Kate was like you know what you need to take a drug test to see this baby every damn minute every day

I will be clean I will see that kid now if you're sober if you're sober okay if you're not sober you're not consistent you're not taking drug tests you're not going to do what needs to be done and you're going to blame everybody else but this is the thing is with him I've always we never actually broke up like I've moved

out blocked his number blocked him on social media for months like we've you know what I mean he's never like not seen his kid or anything you know what I mean so we were at a point where it's like his whole life and like one day when I left I left all the shit I literally me and her were sleeping on people's floors and couches

that's when you know your son and we lived in a house with no furniture we lived in there for months and one day he lost everything and then for months he didn't see her and now we got to

a place where I feel like he's clean now but the thing is is I know how he gets your mom you know exactly what to do in order to get but he's just like my parents so I see the same traits in him so he is a good he's a great dad when he is sober

he is a great dad he is a good person but when he's on drugs he's put his hands on me he's been a monster a monster but I feel like if he can get clean he can be a good person but the thing is I am at the point now where I gave up on everybody else

don't rely on him getting clean just do your own thing great mom do your thing they want to get clean they want to be clean and be involved in it they're gonna come in and they're gonna do it so you're just like Tyler's mom she was in that situation with him and his sister

their dad was addicted to crack cocaine and cocaine and she was just like I don't want this for my kids and I'm leaving you and if you want it bad enough you're my address all the time so listen that's what I'm saying you just do your thing focus on you and everything

I feel like that's what I've been doing don't focus on mom, don't focus on dad don't focus on them but you heard your responsibility that's not on you just focus on you and bam so is all of that covered in this upcoming season yes it is

it is very crazy I mean the police came when I tried to get my stuff from the old house because he wouldn't let my kid have her clothes or her shoes he wouldn't let me have my stuff I put the fucking drawers on his ass I have supported him I was 8 months pregnant

9 months pregnant working 45 hours a week while he started playing video games I did everything to give him everything that he even has now and to tell me I can't have the things in my own house that I, you know what I mean I went the fuck off the police came I had to escort me off my own property

my lease, my old house your name's in that lease can you, your name's off the lease though right no, they tried to get my name off the lease I have to get an attorney because they won't let me off I have a whole other house with my lease and they still won't let me off because he's still behind in rent and I made so much more money than him

from working, from school, from everything that they will not take me off the lease because they want me to be financially responsible because they know he won't be able to pay but then they kick him out I mean that's when they should kick him out yeah, right no, they still want, and then the cops kicked me out of my own house

I was inside getting my stuff and the cops kicked me out of my own house that your name is on the lease that they won't take you off so yeah, so they phoned all that the cops kicking me out Indiana's on a different level and I'm like, my daughter doesn't have shoes my daughter doesn't have a winter coat

and they're like, you can grab two outfits out of your house that'll be enough, that's enough for my infant my infant, two outfits any daddy that withholds car seats, clothes anything, bottles, formula anything, that's wrong their intentions are wrong and it's not through love, period what is your support system?

your sister? yeah, my sister, she I feel like me and her we don't really talk a lot about our feelings we don't talk a lot, we're just like we know when we're going through stuff and we're just there we'll just sit and we'll watch movies and we'll joke we know that you have her

but you don't talk about it see, I don't really talk to anyone about anything I kind of just work my ass off and I go to school and I put all my energy into what I do into doing hair I feel like I get all of my recognition honestly, it sounds so cheesy

but from the recognition I get at school from my teachers that's a good thing I mean, I feel like growing up I always try to please my parents I would come home with A's and B's and that's what I'm doing you should have a movie

so I'm there, I ran actually for election, I won I didn't think I would win a lot of people hate and I was like shut up bitch, you all love me I was like shut up please tell me they cover that at school the election?

they cover you going to school actually my school lets them film because I think they need to show it's cool that they do that but I get a lot of hate from it a lot of it I don't really give a fuck I think it's cool that they can watch my journey

and the fact that the TV show that's here, but I feel like this isn't what I mean, I love it you're a part of the show the show is not a part of you I have all these dreams and aspirations and passions just because I got on a show, I'm not going to be like well my life's made, I'll sit back and chill

I feel like I've never fulfilled we have a rare opportunity with this platform I feel like crazy things that people wouldn't even be able to afford and dive into certain passions we have a great opportunity to do some do amazing stuff I do everything I can

I volunteer for homeless cuts autistic cuts, I do everything that I possibly can do at school I just actually got rewarded a senior mentor no one ever has been a senior mentor I just got on the floor three weeks ago my teacher, I wrote her a letter about my life

and about what I go through at home just so you know, everything I go through at home I don't bring that here, I come here with a smile and I come here and I work my ass off and I fucking lay shit out in here and people that are almost about to graduate will come to my station like how are you doing that show me this, because I sit at home and I watch videos

I sit at home and I practice I sit on mannequins and I fuck up, you know you gotta practice your tricks so I sit and I put everything into it to where like she comes up to me like crying was like you deserve this because you work so hard and you would never know everything that you go through

and you come here and you kill shit every day and you're such a, like you're a role model for everybody here and like I'm so proud of you and I'm sitting there crying and I'm like, why am I crying? That's what I'm saying though, yeah and Jade, chase that kind of satisfaction, chase that, don't chase

mom being sober, no need to chase that kind of stuff I want all this recognition from like my mom and dad but I realize that it's not that I need it from my mom and dad it's like in life that I like it's, I want it from every, I want people to realize what I put in I feel like I've always in life I put in

so much and I always try to help people because I have such a big heart and everyone's always fucking stomped on me and spit on me and I feel like at school it's the only place where when I put in work every time I help people know right, like anything I do people know that I'm doing my absolute best

anything, they know that I'm always doing the right thing like people have me on like a high pedestal there, they know that I'm a good student and that's what's so good you're doing it for you ain't doing it for nobody else that's why I feel like that's what I'm passionate about when my mom went to school

every day and she worked on the weekend and she did all this stuff and she was on a show I could have just been like fuck I have a show I can sit back and see what happens but you're going to wear all damned if we do and damned if we don't you wouldn't have these opportunities but then what's the alternative

sitting back and doing nothing so then I would be hated for that all you do is sit around and don't do shit and then who do you think you are Auntie Mal, what are you doing writing books I don't know I don't know but I mean like pretty much what we're doing

crying, laughing, whatever that's my life every day it's just like a big giant roller coaster well you'll fit right in so I'm like if the police are there my mom's not going to jail so I'm not going to write if my life isn't fucked up next week

something is not right my life's been like that though my whole life and I feel like I guess it's fucked up it wouldn't be normal if it was normal I'm like that's just how it's always been but I'm like if I didn't go through all of this shit growing up

all of this pain and misery as a child and hurting of over addiction and all this stuff I went through it wouldn't have made me who I am today so I've always had to go through all of that shit so I mean I could come out like the strong person I am so I guess I appreciate it

God gives you stuff Yeah he gives you I feel like your own path is made for you and you do ride with it you have like two forks on the road you do the right thing you do the wrong thing well you're doing the right thing and we're all happy to have you

well I want to give you a very warm welcome from coffee combos and team mom too so excited to watch your story and watch you flourish because you are a special young lady thank you Alright guys that's all we have time for today

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