Coffee Convos with Kail Lowry and Lindsie Chrisley - 91: Traveling with kids, Hawaii Drama, and Jail time

Episode Date: August 8, 2019

Kail is back from Hawaii! On this episode of Coffee Convos, Kail and Lindsie discuss the challenge of long flights with kids. Kail then explains all the drama filed Hawaii trip, the issues she faced with custody, and the arguments that followed. Kail weighs up the possibility of actually going to jail. Lindsie opens up about her anxiety, and the great amount of support she has received from listeners. Lindsie also shares a story about Jackson changing schools, and the happiness that followed that decision. 

Hey guys, welcome to Coffee Combo's, Tay Lindsay. Oh, I'm so excited to be sitting across from you. Um, I'm... You're so brown and... Brown? Yeah, like your skin's so like... Tan. Tan and glowing and you're not on island time anymore, thank God.

No, I'm not. That was brutal, honestly. Like, when we got, it wasn't so hard adjusting to Hawaii time when we got there, but when we came home, it was so brutal, like, me and the kids were up until 4am. Like we were watching movies until 4am because we couldn't sleep. And then that first day, that morning, we slept until 2 in the afternoon. Did you feel like vagabonds? Like that you had like...

A what? Like vagabond, like a person that... I don't really know like how you would describe a vagabond, but in my mind it's like a person that like really doesn't have any like life plans. They're just like... Oh my gosh. No, because it was like overwhelming of all the things that I knew, all of the things that I needed to get done, but it was just no energy because even the kids, I mean, we

stayed up until 4 in the morning, probably three nights in a row, and then it went to like 2 in the morning and then it went to 1 in the morning. So it was like a slow progression back to normal? Yes, like going back and I had texted V, like the third day now because he had, Isaac had gone back to his dad's and I was like, hey, I wasn't able to sleep still. How did Isaac sleep? And she's like, oh, you know, we had to wake him up around like 10, 10, 30. So he was still adjusting, but the baby was the worst, like trying to get him to go back

to the schedule. I mean, it was, he was waking up in the middle of the night and then he was sleeping in late and then his naps weren't on time. So it was crazy, but I wouldn't change it for the world because I mean those three weeks that we were there was incredible. First of all, everyone who has a baby knows that when a baby's sleep schedule gets off, life is actually what I would imagine the burning gates of hell would be like. Honestly though, because Lux naps from one to three like clockwork.

Like he's napping one to three, no matter what, if we're in the car, if we're home, no matter what. Yeah. So when that was thrown off and like, I know he wakes up around like 6 30 every morning. So I'm like like running into the room, making sure that he's still breathing because you're sleeping until eight o'clock in the morning and, um, I don't know, I wish was so, and then I was so tired and I am moving, right? So like I have so many things that I'm trying to get done and I just couldn't, I was like,

no energy. I had no desire. Okay. So first of all, you need to like get reintroduced to the podcast. I feel like honestly, I'm waiting for the, for the caffeine to kick in right now. You need to tell the listeners like sorry that you were gone. Sorry that I was gone. Sorry that you were on island time for three weeks and I'm not sorry for that.

You don't feel bad that I wasn't. I mean, yeah, I mean, it would have been nice for you to be in Hawaii and we could have recorded the podcast from Hawaii together. That would have been fun because I did record for Leah's podcast while we were there. She brought all her equipment. But her, that's not a thing. Her Lindsay, her co-host was also in Hawaii. Okay.

So that makes sense. Right. So it made sense. Like you weren't there and to schedule with a six hour time gap was like, hmm, this is not a good idea. And also my kids were little hellions. Like they were running around everywhere. And nobody would have even been able to understand like what was going on in the podcast because

it would have been chaos and you would have been telling them that you were going to kill them and just kidding. So tell me about your adventures in Hawaii. Like what did you do? Where do I start? Okay. Well, first let me start by saying, we talked about the Mexico thing where I took the kids to Mexico by myself with no help and it was, it was fun, but it was also a real struggle.

This time I had asked. That single mom life really kicking in. It was, and it was full blast. So the trip to Hawaii, I had asked Lux's preschool teacher to come with us and she could only take off a couple of days. So she only came the first week, but I was like, okay, perfect. That should be enough time for me. Adjustment time.

Yeah. To like at least adjust and take the boys, the older boys to go do some, some things, you know what I mean? Where it's like not the whole time, um, you know, whatever. So she came with and she was a huge help and it was really nice too because I, I wanted her to experience Hawaii too. Like thank you for coming out and helping. So, um, the one day I wanted to take Isaac and Lincoln to go do something.

So she stayed with the baby. But then Isaac wanted to go do this dolphin excursion and I had already done it. So I was like, well, if you want to take Isaac, I'll stay with Lincoln and luck. So he's just kind of wrote it. It was like a like partners. Right. Yeah. So it was really nice.

But, um, so Isaac got to go see dolphins and Lincoln snorkeled for the first time and we got a boat. We rented a boat for two days and it was really, really awesome because the kids are jumping off the boat. I love the boat pictures. Oh my gosh. They had such a blast. And they were all like sleeping like, oh, by the end of the boat day, they were knocked

out. It's so cute. It was really weird, but also really cool to see, you know, all of our kids together, they haven't been together since like a reunion in probably 2015. I'm confused though, because I guess y'all just stopped bringing the kids. Yeah. I've refused. I don't know who the first one was, but I started refusing to bring the kids because

of all the drama. Yeah. And I think the other cast members felt the same way or they had the same reservations around the same time. And it was just a huge, like as far as the reunion segments go, like it was, they were long days. These were, we were all in the studios for, with the kids for like 12 hours. Right.

So it just didn't make sense to have us all there and do it that way. So I started saying like, I'm not bringing my kids. Well, now that we've done it a little bit differently, I would like to film us a reunion segment with my kids. So I don't know. We'll see about this year. Um, well, I can kind of relate on just the fact of like the long days, um, because once Jackson got, I think he was three and a half is when we hired a nanny because I would go

back and forth from Nashville because obviously I was still living in Atlanta. My family was in Nashville and the show was being filmed out of Nashville. So typically I would take the first flight out of Atlanta on a Monday. And then if I only had a couple of scenes, I would be able to come back home. But the nanny was based here in Atlanta. She would take care of Jackson while I was gone for work. And then, um, also like get him to and from his preschool because at that point, not that it was super important for him to be in preschool, but I felt like to establish, um, like normal

see like a schedule. Yeah. Like a schedule and just being like a normal kid. It was too hard during those school months to take him back and forth. And then the filming days were so long. So we would film, you know, like you said, eight or 10 hours a day. And then by the time that was over, it's like he wasn't able to be a kid. So you kind of go between that.

There's that fine line there between, you know, you want them to be involved and when they're not involved and you get the backlash of people saying, well, we're, we're kids. I get that all the time. And that's what I said this year. I was like, well, I want to last year I was in and out. I mean, there was, there was other shit going on, but like this year I was like, I have my kids that weekend. I have my kids the weekend of the reunion.

So you guys have me for one day and I want to film a scene with my kids. I want them to be a part of it. But at the same time, I don't want them waiting around in a studio for 12 hours or eight hours or even six hours. Like that's just not, that's not their job. So yeah, that was really rough, but the kids, they didn't, they haven't seen each other. They don't remember each other or they used to get together as kids, but they don't remember that.

So the kids hit it off like they've known each other their whole lives, but they basically like they have, they've known each other and known of each other. But then the seeing each other like occasionally it's kind of like, um, this is really funny. When we went on vacation, my father-in-law was telling Jackson about having like pen pals or like people that you, that you like meet over the summer or like families do like the same family vacations and you see them like one time a year. It's kind of like that. You know, it's like you see them one time a year and then you just pick up where you

left off. Yeah. I mean, it was so fun and I'm so glad we went the Airbnb route because one, it was cheaper and two, the kids got to have sleepovers and like they had such a blast. I forgot about the whole like fact of sleepovers. Yeah. Oh yeah. No, they had a freaking blast.

It was so cool. And like the first night right away, Addy was like, Lincoln likes me and I need you to get him to tell the truth. Like Addy and Lincoln were a riot like, and Lincoln's like, I don't even like girls. No, I don't like you. Like I don't like girls. He's like, I actually hate girls and I only have friends that are boys. Well, Lincoln's one of those.

He's like just a straight up boy. Oh my gosh. But they had a blast, so we're going to do this, I think we're going to do it every year because they just had so much fun. I love that. All right, guys. I know that we have talked about this company that makes style issues for women and girls out of recycled plastic water bottles before.

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So we actually, um, filmed in Hawaii and yes, Hawaii actually was Jackson's first, like real vacation, real flight. Like that's a long flight, a long flight. And when I tell you, um, we flew from Atlanta to L.A. Okay. And then my parents, I guess they flew. I can't remember if they were on the flight from, they was to flown from Nashville into Atlanta and then from Atlanta to L.A. and L.A. and to Hawaii. But when I tell you it was Jackson's first flight, Will was not with me.

How old was Jackson? Um, I think that was the trip right before I got an Annie. So he would have been some, between like three and three and a half. Okay. Um, he was really good and, um, this is going to sound really bougie, but thank God for that first class ticket because we had so much more room up there. Oh my God. Let's talk about travel with kids for a second when you're done, because honestly I think

people won't, we don't talk about it. Don't get it. Um, so, you know, and also like the service of being able to get a drink and having the bathroom, you know, like literally right there. Um, and I think that he was still in diapers, Kale, I think. Um, but I love the fact that my parents sat in the first row of first class and watched reruns of shows. And I felt like I was, you know, just thrown to the wolves by myself with, you know, Jackson

on his first flight. And when we got there, everybody was like, Oh, how is your flight? I'm like, Oh, I've been wrangling this three year old for the past six hours. And then I get there and my luggage is the only luggage that is jacked up. Like it was going around the carousel. I kept seeing all these people, like the stuff out of somebody's luggage and it was my shit like going around and I didn't realize it. And then when I got to the hotel, I, they had given me like a bag to put all of my stuff

in because my suitcase busted and they gave me a bag to put all my stuff in. And when I got to the four seasons, I literally almost fucking blew up the four seasons because I plugged in my hairdryer and it caught on fire because it got the cord got damaged like in the carousel or whatever it was. Yeah. Damage. So, but I will say that we were there, I want to say it was like eight days, I think. And I didn't feel like it was long enough to go that far with that big of a time change

with a little one like that. Like maybe for me, it would have been fine. Right, right. Cause I've been to Hawaii for a week by myself and the time I was fine, but like with a kid for a week, I mean, I don't know, like I have friends there right now, they're there with their kids, they have an infant and a three year old. Let's talk about kids travel. So my flight to Hawaii was 13 hours.

No. With three kids. And like I said, Mariah did come with us, but she sat way far back in the plane. So she didn't, not that she wouldn't have helped me, but she was of no help at that time. And I, the flight, if you guys have never been to Hawaii, there's, they're, they're really big planes, um, at least for the one that I was on, and so the, the middle aisle is four seats, which worked out because it was me, Lux, Lincoln, Isaac. Was it a direct flight?

Um, no, but it was still, we still had four. Where did you all land? We went from Philly to Vegas, from Vegas to Hawaii. Okay. Um, my older two, I, I go prepared because I fly all the time. So I went prepared, um, with, even for Lux, but Lux is just such a tiny terror that he like gave no flux. He didn't want the iPad.

He ate all the snacks in the first 10 minutes. He didn't want a color. He's dropping everything. I, or ripped out all the pages so there's nothing to even color. So my older two are good, but then Lux is like, what do you do? Like, and especially because he's, he was in two yet. Isn't that funny? Because you get it.

Jackson was three. And yeah, and that's the age that they're like, cause that, I feel like curious. Yes. And like, he wanted to run up and down the aisles and I was like, and you're like, you know, these people are texting, if they've got an iPhone, they're texting all the people that they know on their iPhone and they're like this bitch. So let me just tell you, Lincoln had fallen asleep on the way to Vegas and because we had all the seats, um, he like laid down, but his feet were sticking out of the aisle

a little bit. And I was like, oh my gosh, so like I fell asleep too, and every time like I would feel someone coming, I'd quickly move his feet while this flight attendant was so fucking rude and she was like, she yelled at me and I was like, he's a little boy. Like I'll fix it. Just let me know. Like I'll move his feet. And then she just yelled at me and I said, well, you're, I said it in the calmest voice.

I was like, you're probably the rudest flight attendant I've ever had. And she goes, I'm writing you up. And she like had this huge thing and I was like, okay, calm down, like relax. He's a little boy who fell asleep. Like his feet are sticking out. I'm going to fix it. I'm his mom. Like it's fine.

You're writing me up for what? Because I said she was rude. Well, she was. So like who's she going to give that to you? How do you say it? Right? Like I'm so sorry that my son had his feet in the aisle. I'm so sorry, but he fell asleep.

We all fell asleep. This is a really long flight. Like I wasn't doing it. Like he didn't do it intentionally. He's five years old. I would have just said, just write me out. I did. I was like, oh, I'm in seat 33.

Like go ahead. Go ahead. It was a little bit rough, but, um, and getting home was also rough. I'm not going to lie. Just like those long freaking flights. It's so hard to travel with kids. And I feel like, especially when you have babies and, I mean, obviously it's like still in a diaper.

Yes. Yeah. So like kids that are in diapers, it's so hard because I feel like you literally have to carry your closet with you. Yeah. And I didn't do it. I brought one extra outfit. So many people, I traveled with Jackson for so long by myself because the last bit of

time that I was on the show, I was also separated. So I would travel by myself with him. And it's crazy that you would think that people, I don't expect people to help me, but no, you see people like huffing and puffing when you're like, instead of helping and puffing, you could be helping. Yeah. You could be helping. I'm trying to get like three bags in the overhead compartment.

Like I've got a little kid that, you know, he's not minding and it's just, it's chaos. There was a family like diagonal in front of me, but I could see them. It was a mom, I'm assuming a mom and dad and a little girl and a little girl had to have been the same age as Lux. She was so fussy at some point because I'm sure it was like that transition between like day and like going to sleep. But because we were on the flight and it was so long, it was just hard. So I have Lux asleep in my arms and I would have helped her if I could have, but I couldn't

put him down. And so they gave her the phone and played a song for her. Mind you, she's probably one and a half, maybe two, two and a half. She's not going to wear headphones. Right. She's just not going to wear headphones. Oh God, somebody had a problem. Someone walks up to them and it's like, this is so disturbing.

You need to turn that off or turn it down. And I literally wanted to look up at him and be like, what is the alternative here for her to scream? If you want her to scream for everyone or you're going to just listen to a song. And it wasn't like a toddler song. It was like a regular song. It didn't disturb me and I was literally right next to them. And the thing is, is people don't realize that when you're traveling with kids, like

we as parents also don't want to hear it. But it's just the facts and like this is our life. But also we're in private. That's all I know to say. Well, that's what I was about to say. I said, we didn't fly first class. So to me, you paid for coach and so did they. So you're going to get coach behavior or whatever you want to call it, and what is the alternative

to this song? I'm not going to lie. If Jackson was being bad in first class, I would probably feel bad because it's like first class professionals, but I mean, he's done it. So that's all I could say. Like I truly wanted to just scream at him and if I didn't have luck in my arms, I probably would have told him to shove it up his ass because it pissed me off. Like it hurt my feelings for them.

Get going. Honestly, like we're on a 13 hour flight home and you're concerned because she's, I don't know, it just irritated me and I wish I knew who they were. Okay, you guys, can you talk about how frustrated I get when I go shopping for beauty products? It's hard to know where to start and you just hope that the employee knows what the heck they're doing. It can be overwhelming to go into a store, but with Birchbox, I get what I need delivered conveniently to my house.

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So are you allowed to talk about, because you received so many messages on Instagram of why Leo was allowed to film, but you weren't allowed to film and how it wasn't fair and how people wanted to see, you know, your excursions in Hawaii too. What was the background story, and then also people wanted to know after I had posted who we were interviewing in Atlanta, people had posted asking why V wasn't on the list. So can we just clarify, you guys, we're going to be so honest with you, we have entered a new phase of like, I mean, not that we weren't honest before, but it's like, it's a lot. So follow it as closely as you can, and if I leave out anything, I'm so sorry, but I'm

going to try not to because I am going to take full accountability for this. Okay. Leah and I had this trip planned to Hawaii for a long time, and I had, remember a while back I had said that I was going to go to jail on the podcast, but it was like so nonchalant directly related to Hawaii. I didn't know how much I could say at the time, but now I'm going to tell you all because this is what it is. So originally was going to go to Hawaii July 5th through the 20th, which is two weeks.

I realized that first week of July was my week, and Leah was going on the first. So obviously wanted to go and be with them the first week, so I could be a full three weeks. It was my week anyway. I changed the dates after I submitted my 30 days notice to Chris, Joe and Javi for vacation. Is that a clause that you have? We have to write 30 days notice for vacation, first come, first served. So if I put in my 30 days notice before he does or anyone, it's mine.

So I had submitted for July 5th. Well, I realized July 1st, 2nd, 3rd, 4th was mine. I'm just going to leave on the 30th so that we're there. So I texted Joe. I said, hey, do you think I can get Isaac a little bit early? On the 30th, I was supposed to get him anyway at 6pm, but I was hoping to get him around like maybe four. So we can catch our flights to Hawaii.

Two hours, not that big of a deal? Not that big of a deal. If he said no, again, not that big of a deal, just wanted to make sure we were on time because you know I'm good for missing flights. Every flight. No response. I had no response for a week. So I booked the flights, and I was just going to do my best to make them and do whatever.

I wanted to make sure that we were on time, so I texted him again, and I said, hey, can I get Isaac a little bit early? At that point, he responded, no, the 4th of July is mine. I did not realize in our custody agreement, because Javi and Chris had both agreed. So I never mentioned 4th of July. They didn't mention it to me, and I've never fought with any of my kids' dads about 4th of July before. I've never fought about it.

And he said, no, 4th of July is mine. I said, oh, well, do you think we can switch, like either I take him this year, and you take him next year, or I'll give you Christmas instead of 4th of July, because I have him for Christmas this year. I don't celebrate Christmas. I don't care about Christmas that much. It just is what it is, and I'd rather have this, I'd rather have this, and then whatever. He says no.

Okay. At that point, I decided to take it upon myself. According to you, this man would not have Isaac for the fireworks. He would have him from 9 in the morning till 5 p.m. on 4th of July, a total of eight hours, no fireworks, no nothing. What is the reason you don't want to give him to me? I'm irritated. And this is a specific situation.

It's not like you're trying to keep him from him on the 4th of July. It's literally the fact that you had booked flights. He didn't answer me a week. I booked it. Nobody else made a big deal about 4th of July. I understand that that's Joe's time. I get it. But at that point, I made the decision, I'm going anyway.

I already have him the first, second, and third. You're only getting him for eight hours. I was trying to be reasonable with you. I offered you Christmas. I offered you other holidays, and you're not working with me, but you're also not giving me a reason why. You're not telling me you're having a barbecue. You're not telling me you're doing anything else.

I'm sorry for you. Well, I thought maybe for 4th of July, oh, maybe he wants him because he's having a barbecue. You know what I'm saying? Right, yeah. I'm saying no. I don't know if I had said it on the podcast before, but I know they filmed it for Teen Mom. While I was in Costa Rica, Joe told me he didn't even want me taking Isaac to Hawaii at all.

I texted him back, and I said, you don't get a say in that. I'm entitled to vacation time, and I put my days in. Your week that I requested, and then Joe actually requested one of my weeks, so it was just a flip-flop. You know what I mean? Right, yeah. You just exchanged. You didn't want me this time and not giving it back to them.

So he didn't want me to go at all. Well, because Joe was supposed to get 9-5 on 4th of July, it becomes a legal issue. So MTV could not film it because it was even, I just said, well, why don't we film everything but 4th of July? And they said because it was attached to the 4th of July, and I could be, if he filed, and I was found in contempt, it was a legal issue that they were not allowed to be a part of because they didn't want. It to look like they were encouraging.

They were correct. So that's why they couldn't film. It had nothing to do with Chris. Chris ended up surprising us in Hawaii. I had no idea he was coming. I know I got a ton of backlash, and people saying that I paid for it, and I truly had no idea. Chris had their job for everybody who's listening, and it had nothing to do with him because

they've filmed around him before. They filmed him in the background of Lincoln's birthday party. They would have done the same thing. But it became a legal issue for them that they didn't want the liability of. And while we're on the topic of this, whoever has been the person that has been calling and FaceTiming me, I now don't have the same number. So you can't do that and to be talking about Kale's little family with Chris and Lux and how they knew that he was in Hawaii and all this stuff, people act like it was such a

big secret just because you don't go and broadcast the fact that he was there doesn't mean that it was a secret. And I don't know why. I was receiving text about it. Oh my gosh. They told. Text about Brianna. Oh my gosh.

And I'm like, I don't even know these people. I don't even know what relevance, why these people would be trying to call and FaceTiming, how they got my number. It was literally insane, all because Chris was in Hawaii. Yeah. I don't know. It's like Chris can go wherever he wants to go. People have accession with him.

Yeah. Chris can do whatever the hell he wants. And matter of fact, even in Hawaii, there were days that he went off and did his own thing. Good for him. I'm just like, okay. So while we were in Hawaii, I want to say it was one of the last days V texted me and was like, Hey, can you talk for a second?

Because she's supposed to be on this trip to Atlanta with us now. I guess I don't know how much she knows of the situation of the Hawaii thing. But at the end of the day, Joe is her husband and she's going to respect her son. She's going to respect her husband and his wishes and the situation too. So I didn't, my intentions were never to put her in the middle, but while Joe and I are having issues, she's not going to come out on the podcast and I run off at the mouth all the time. I mean, while I am taking full accountability for this, I do feel like I understand where

she was coming from and not wanting to be a part of it because of this. Right. Yeah. So she said once Joe and I resolve it, she would love to come back on the podcast, but she would just want to talk it out because MTV was going to film it. And I don't really know how much of that almost puts her in a bad situation because it's like, okay. She doesn't know what I've said.

She doesn't know. She said she didn't really know the situation at all. Like Joe didn't really talk to her about it. So she just didn't want to be in the middle and I understand that. And I feel like y'all have an honest relationship. So whenever you told me that, that was like what was going on, I feel like I believed everything that she said. Oh, I respect it too.

Like I get it. And I'm not here to put like, I hate Joe's guts right now, but I'm not here to put me in the middle. I'm just not. Right. Okay. I hate going to the grocery store, sitting in traffic, finding a parking spot. And honestly, the worst part is wrangling the kids to just get in the store and find

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Yeah. I mean, I guess I don't, there's no, as far as I know, there's no like statute of limitations on it, but there's two incidences that I could file contempt on him and I haven't. It would really only be just to prove a point. Like the rules don't just like there's two, I don't know how much I talked about it on the podcast, but so we have first right to refusal in our agreement. And basically if he needs a babysitter, if he goes out of town, any of that stuff he's required to ask me if I want Isaac first.

Oh, okay. So if he's not available or I say no, he can then hire a babysitter or a family, whatever. I had asked Isaac, asked for Isaac on a Friday for my friend's pool party and Joe said no, they had plans. Come to find out Joe dropped Isaac off at his brother's house in Pennsylvania, which is obviously another state, and then flew to Texas. I had no idea where my son was until Joe's brother had texted me for my son's login to PlayStation.

Oh, wow. So, so that's how you I got pissed off and he tried to tell me that it's a difference. It doesn't apply to him. The first right to refusal doesn't apply to him in that situation because he was setting up quality time for his son with his uncle, but it doesn't talk about quality time in the claws. Right? No.

So I was irritated because you didn't, to me, when you're setting up quality time, you're doing it in a time where you might have him like, right? Like if, if I have all my kids from on a certain weekend and have, he's like, Hey, can I take the boys to the movies and I'm home and I'm not doing anything to me, I'm giving up my time so that he can go spend quality time with so and so. Right. I don't need a babysitter, but he's having to sleep over, over, over there or whatever. Right.

So I felt, especially because I asked for Isaac, that was a time where he should have given him to me because I'm asking and you're going out of town. When I feel like as the kids get older, y'all are going to run into this like more often. Well, and it's like Isaac's old enough to tell us what he wants to do. Right. Like he said, mom, don't worry about the pool party. I want to go with my uncle. I'd be like, okay.

Okay. But he wanted to go to the pool party. Well, and I know you're going to hate this advice. Great. And I'm giving advice, not from somebody who's been in the situation, but just from an outsider looking in. I don't think court is the way to handle it. I think that you and Joe need to handle it outside of court and a neutral territory,

not at your house, not at his house, but a public place where we're not going to raise our voice and storm out and get mad. I just talk face to face, explain things to each other, hear each other out. You're going to have to listen to him. He's going to have to listen to you and you guys are going to have to have a meeting of the minds because at some point, yes, you have to adhere to the custody agreement because it's quarter order. We don't have to.

It's just a fallback. Right. If we come up with something that works for us and we're using that, that's great. And then the court order is if all else fails. But when I'm asking for my son and you fought to have first rate, Joe took me back to court just to add first rate to refusal. And now you're not even using it because then this past weekend, Joe and V are at a wedding and V put it on social media and Isaac was not in the pictures and I asked, listen to

this, this is what pissed me the fuck off. Again, he's not asking me if I want him. Isaac gets home on Sunday or no, he didn't have him on a Saturday. They went to the wedding Sunday. Joe texts me. Hey, can Isaac stay the night? I said, no, you guys went out last night and didn't ask me if I wanted my son. So now I'm, I'm already pissed off.

So I get Isaac home and I said, oh, Isaac, you know, same thing I always do. Hey, Isaac, how was your weekend? What did you do? I don't know what you're talking about. Oh, so then it's like covering things. I'm literally didn't ask you anything. I didn't, I'll ask you is the same thing. I asked you every single Sunday I get you back, but that falls back on.

Now it's putting stress on your child to feel like he has to pick sides. When all the Hawaii stuff was going on, I knew my, I mean, he's nine. He overhears things and Isaac is literally smart. Well he's the biggest eavesdropper of all time, but he does it for now. Yes. Like if you need a spy, you can hire Isaac. I knew he was going to hear stuff and I knew his dad wasn't going to like it. And I said, you don't have to talk to this.

I said, I literally said to Isaac, you do not have to talk about this with your dad. But if he asks you, do not lie. And he said, okay, but when I'm getting him back and I'm asking you how your weekend was like I always do. And you're telling me, I don't know what you're talking about. I was like, what? So I don't understand how you're making and I know people will agree to disagree or maybe they just don't like me and don't like, they think that it's always me.

No, this is a situation where this happened before Hawaii and this happened after Hawaii, but yet I'm still going to get crucified for the nine to five in Hawaii. When to me, I think it was in the best interest of Isaac to be with his brothers. I we went and did all kinds of like educational stuff. Isaac wrote about what we did every single day. I love that. So to me, I think that I made the right decision and for Joe, I just don't know what's going on with us.

I don't want to work it out, but I feel like Isaac's at an age right now where he should be able to decide where he wants to be. Well, that's where I was going with it. I think that it has to be handled outside of court or else it's never going to be like truly properly handled because you're both going to hold so much resentment because let's just face the facts. The courts never make anybody happy. So that's just what it is.

Isaac is at a point that I feel like if next year you book the vacation for three weeks and you decide to do the same thing again and this is going to become a tradition, I think that it needs to be planned so far in advance. So by the time that, and I know that you're not a pre planner, but by the time that you get to that point, it's not even like a bone of contention. This is what we're doing every year. This is what we're doing every year. We've had the conversation with Isaac.

If he wants to go, he can go and if he doesn't want to go, then he doesn't have to go. I mean, obviously moving forward, this was a lesson learned. I won't plan it over 4th of July. I would wait until, because that way we're not arguing about holidays at all. But I just, I can't put enough emphasis on the fact that I offered him fucking Christmas, which he then proceeded to say, which is another issue I would like to have four days for Christmas. And you don't hate Joe. You hate.

No, I hate his guts right now. You don't. You hate how he is handling the situation. And he probably hates how I'm handling it. Yeah. But I'm, like I said, I, like I told me, I made this decision with the full awareness that I could potentially go to jail for 24 hours and to me it's worth it. So next year I know I'm moving forward.

I'm going to do the three week thing and it won't be over a holiday. So guys, let's pray for Kale that when she goes to court, if she goes to court that they don't find her in contempt and that she doesn't go to jail for 24 hours. Like me, I'd get, I'd be booked on a Friday and not get released till Monday. Exactly. That's exactly what would happen. What if you guys could use one program for all your health and weight loss needs? Thanks to Noom, you can.

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You have to strip down in front of like a female correctional officer and she checks and she was checking for warrants. Her mom's a correctional officer, my friend, and she was checking for warrants the whole time I was there. So she was like... She was on it. Kailin Lowry. Kailin Lowry.

Kailin Lowry. Kailin Lowry. No warrants. No warrants. Yeah, I text Kail and I'm like, so... Are you going to jail? Are you at jail? Kail's like, no warrants yet.

I'm like, first of all, how does that bitch know that she doesn't have warrants? She was checking for me. She was on it. She was on it. No to the soil. Okay. So now that we have cleared that up because that was a huge question that has been on social media for what probably like the past two weeks, have people been asking you in

your comments too? Yeah. Like what's going on? Well, they've been in Chris for everything. Well, and you guys give Chris way too much credit for stuff like... For stuff that is not relevant. Right. Yeah.

Like he... I feel like Chris gets like a bad rap. I mean, Chris and I have definitely had our issues and I've said what I've said, but I mean, he's not a bad person. They literally... I think he's a good dad. I mean, Leah loves him and he literally took five kids to the beach by himself. So multiple times.

And Lux loves his dad. Oh yeah. He loves his daddy. So you guys need to lay off of Chris for a while because, you know, he's doing things guys. He's human and we all make mistakes. So let's do that. Switching gears a little bit though.

Let's hear it. You have a lot of articles, huh? No. Actually, I have real life stuff that is going on that I don't even have time for articles today. Well, your hardwood floors were late yesterday. Mm-hmm. Do you, do you feel like I'm like a different person?

Oh, a hundred percent. The energy is different. You're just calmer. Like so calm is calmer a word. I'm not sure, but we're going to use it. So I just feel like you, like I'm scatterbrained and I'm like, all over the place, but you're just like telling a story and it's like monotone, like just so cool, calm and collected. Well, I want to still have like a personality, you know, but yeah.

So everybody who listened to the anxiety episode last week with our resident therapist, Katie Morton, the response that we received, I know you got messages about it too. I saw you posting it in your story. My Instagram direct message has never blown up as much as it did for that and it honestly gave me a sense of ownership of like problems that I know that I have that I was able to share with a broad audience and realize that I am just like everybody else. Oh, you're definitely not alone in this for sure not. Like not, but you do feel like a loner kind of like when you're, when you have it.

But I just wanted to thank everybody, I couldn't answer all of the messages, but I did go through every night when I laid down and just read messages, you know, over and over of people's stories that they shared and how people could relate to feeling the exact same way after having a baby and even people who didn't have a baby yet and, you know, mom, future moms talking about how they had experienced anxiety like in high school and just from bullying incidents and what when you have anxiety, like what do you feel like what because I'm sure I have out of control, but what do you mean? I feel like I'm always on edge, I guess, like always like thinking like the next I always

think of like the worst case scenario and situations and it's not just being like it's not a mindset, it's truly like a medical like problem. So like when I think of anxiety, because I don't think I don't think I have it on your level, I think of like when I'm getting nervous or like worried about something, but then like I see I'm always that way. Like mine doesn't go away. Like I'll say, oh, I haven't I'm having anxiety about like a situation, but I can't imagine that that's exactly how you feel because then we would all be medicated.

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It just takes. So you're like always worried? Yeah. I'm a worry work. I think of worst case scenarios. I talked about it on the podcast last week. I don't know if you've had a chance to listen yet, but I would and even I will probably say like as of like the last three weeks, I'll see like one day I might be driving down

the road and I'll see a car coming like the opposite direction and I'll be like, Oh my God, that car is going to crash into me. So I will like as a freak out inside, you're freaking out mentally like inside. I'm freaking out and I will try to get over my car like to the shoulder, like of the road or whatever you call it. So I'm furthest away from that car. So I know that it can't hit me. Oh, that would be a terrible way to live if you're always thinking like that.

Like I'm always thinking like that or I will think of like my house. What if like my house caught on fire and like do we have an exit plan? I will think of, Oh, well, um, for example, like if Jackson is walking down my basement stairs, I will think like the most morbid thoughts like, Oh my God, like what if he like rolls down his neck or something, you know, like, and I'm constantly just all the time. It's all the time. And like I'll constantly be telling him like I'm constantly watching what he's doing.

I'll be like, make sure you're holding onto the rail. Like it, I find myself doing that all the time. And not until I realized that I had anxiety was I able to realize the things that I was doing, right? Because not the kinds I is always 2020. So right. You just were living with this. And now that you have figured out a way to deal with it, now you're like, Oh, wow, because

you feel the difference too. Well, so everybody knows that I'm more of like a naturalist. I, you know, buy mostly everything organic. But as of the last two weeks, I also am ADHD. So I was on vivants for all of college. My parents never really, I don't think that they ever really thought that I was ADD. I think that they always knew that I had anxious tendencies and would always call me like a worry war.

So ADD is what attention to disorder, attention, hyper attention, that's it hyper hyperactive disorder. Got it. So I, my parents always knew that I was like anxious and stuff and would tell me like, don't be worried. Like I would literally like relax, calm down, don't worry about that. And it's like, but it's like literally like chemically, like, you can't help it. I can't help but worry about it.

You know, like I would literally see like a cop and I would be like, Oh my God, somebody's going to get arrested. Like, and it's just like a cop driving on the road. It's crazy. So I was on vivants for all of college and did very well. Like I graduated with almost a perfect GPA. And I don't remember ever really worrying in college. And to be perfectly honest, that's when I probably should have been most worried in

my life because my parents didn't financially support me through college, you know, I was on my own. So really out of my whole life, I should have been most worried then, but I wasn't, I never remember being worried. And I think about like my happiest times of my life. When were those? And it was like my college years were on your meds. I was on, I was on meds.

I was on vivants and I have since gotten back on vivants and it's been life changing for me. And I would do this to try to preach like for people to get on vivants or to try to, you know, for you to be self-diagnosing. Like, right. Definitely don't do that. Definitely don't do that. But it's just something that has helped me.

And obviously you notice a difference. Oh my God. As soon as you like walked in the room, it was just like so calm. The energy is different. Yeah. And not that you don't have a personality. It should think the energy is just different. So I think I can feel you feel it.

I constantly, I feel like that when I walk into a room and I don't even realize it that I guess because I am so anxious, I make everybody around me anxious. You know what I mean? So like makes everybody around me on high alert because I am, you know, oh gosh, this has to be like perfect. When I am taking my vivants and everything's just like normal. I feel like I don't even worry about those things. It's strange.

Okay. So you don't feel like things are out of control anymore? No. Like you don't feel like, like do you feel like you can focus on like one thing and get it done and then move to the next and then. Yes. I'm super productive. Like super productive.

I don't focus about like the small things that don't really matter. I feel like that's part of like my anxiety because I overthink things. So I think I'm just naturally just like an overthinker and I will overthink things. But like, for example, I forgot my laptop like on the way here and it was like three minutes from my house. I could have turned around, but I was like, hmm, hope Kale has her laptop like, and I do. And it's killed us.

Adam better have his laptop, right? Someone will have a laptop. Yeah. I definitely have mine. But. Okay. That's that's we're turning over a new leaf then. Yeah.

It's it's like a new leaf guys. So, um, guys, if you, if you have any questions, you can always hit me in my DM and I will try to, um, respond as best I can and also make sure you send messages to coffee convos, podcasts, DM, unless it's specifically, you know, for me, because it's easier for me to go on there and answer and just, you know, put it in the story. Um, also my little one started kindergarten. Oh my gosh. I cannot, Lindsay sent me the picture and I was dying because I was like, he really

started kindergarten. Like he's a whole, like little person. Like he's a, he always was, but like now he's like in the real world. Like he's in school. Don't even act like you don't have a kid that's about to be in the real world too. I know, but it's just crazy because like, I don't even, I don't know. When you look at Lincoln, do you think like he's about to like be in the real world? Like he's about like his school years are about to start and they aren't going to stop.

Like, that's what I mean by like the real world from this point forward, when you go, when you step foot into this kindergarten, this school, you will be in school and working for the rest of your life. Now. Right. Like you're a real person, your days of dicking around in the basement or like fooling around in preschool or over, over like no more, canceled canceled. So I've got a big story about this about the Bible thumpers.

So this huge story. So we talked about on the podcast, I think several times about like my journey of like finding the right school for him, haven't we? Yes. So I talked about going through the process of admissions, you know, for private school and him wearing a uniform and all this stuff and let me backtrack a little bit. Will's mom was an educator in the public school system for like 30 years. I think the last five or six years of her career, she did like IEPs.

So she traveled from, she worked for the county within the high schools. So she was around IEPs for certain students. Yeah. For certain students that, you know, needed the needed them and would have the conferences like with the parents and stuff like that. So she's very well versed in public education. And so she was a proponent for the public school that we're a district of two actually people in our area specifically buy in our area for the school for that public school.

That's where my new house is people buy in the area for the school because it's so good. So good. So I knew this and, you know, just being a mom in the community and having, you know, acquaintances that have kids that are in, you know, elementary age, you always find yourself asking, you know, like, how do they like their school? Do they have a good, you know, real situation with their teacher, you know, whatever. I don't know if that's being nosy or if it's just being helpful, yeah, being helpful for yourself for the future.

You're the peanut app. Yeah. But I feel like I had never heard one bad thing. I don't want to name the elementary school, but I had never heard one bad thing about the elementary school. Will had asked tons of dads, you know, like about their kids experiences, never heard one bad thing about it. But I did go to a private high school that was Christian based and I wanted the experience

for Jackson, especially with him coming out of a preschool that also was religious affiliated. So I did not want him to lose the time like they had Bible time and also chapel once a week, which is kind of like church and school. So I didn't want him to lose that. And so that was my main reason of picking the private school. So after he did his GCAP, which is, you know, like a test to see where where they stand, where he is, you know, academically, I had had a feeling. This was months ago.

I had had a feeling and I couldn't really explain the feeling other than like an uncomfortable feeling or like a place that like I shouldn't have been. So I had a mom friend that had previously been in one of Jackson's preschool classes her daughter had and I had reached out to her because she was at the school that we were going to send Jackson to and said, you know, I just had this uneasy feeling. Like did you feel like this after your daughter took the GCAP and she was like, oh yeah, she was like, it'll be fine. You know, you're just getting anxious and, you know, life's about to change and it'll

be fine. So I'm like, okay, well, in hindsight, I should have trusted my mom instinct, but I didn't. And I was like, okay, I'm going to trust, you know, what she says. Everything that they've said about the school, everything that I've heard has been good things. But mind you, when I would go to the school, I would never see students interacting because it would be like after school hours or when students were in the classroom. So I wouldn't see like students coming or going. So over the summer, you know, we buy the uniforms, July 31st rolls around.

We had gone to the beach and come back the day before to go to the open house, go to the open house and, um, did you still have those same feelings? Yes. I went into the classroom and I just felt like, um, you know, the kids were playing and like interacting with each other in the classroom, but it just, I don't know. It felt like I was like in a place that I shouldn't have been at. Like I almost felt like guilty for sending him there. For being there.

Yeah. Like it was like a weird like guilt. You should not be here feeling. So, um, we go into this carpool meeting and, um, or what do y'all call it? Carline, carline, carrider, carrider. We go to the carpool or carrider meeting and they show us like this video of how the carpool is supposed to run, you know, so like a mass of people can see, you know, how to, how to run carpool.

So, um, go to that and leave and will was not there on that day because he had, um, conveniently taken vacation, um, and his boss ended up being in town when he decided to take vacation. So he needed to go back to work. So he didn't get to go. So I'm sending will like all of these messages, you know, like in the event that he had to pick him up, you know, you know, like how to do everything because I didn't want him to feel like left out, you know. So, um, next day rolls around first day of school, wake up in the morning and mind you,

it was really hard because with a preschool schedule, they go to school so much later in the morning. Like it's almost nine o'clock when they go and then they get out so early. So that six o'clock wake up call was hard for both of us hard. Mama was tired. So get up, get him, you know, in his uniform, everything's great. Um, I'm feeling anxious, have a lot of anxiety because one, he's going to a school that he's never been to.

He's only ever been to his one preschool. So we didn't do like multiple preschools. He's only been to that one kids to, um, so that's all, that's all he knew. That was his life. And so since he was two, so, um, take him, drop him off. That day we were allowed to walk in to drop off and walk in to pick up the following day. Um, school, school started on a Thursday. So Thursday and Friday to kind of like get the kids reacclimated to being, you know,

back in a routine. So Friday we had to do the carpool line. So Thursday, walk him in, drop him off and everything seems like it's, you know, going to be fine. He seemed happy. And with connects at his table and, um, I'm like, okay, you know, this is going to be okay. Of course I like cried on the way to school.

Anybody who listens to country music that knows the song boy, it's talking like about a little boy growing up and how he's going to make mistakes and, um, I have to send you the song, but literally it played on the radio on the way to the school and will took off of work that day because he wanted to be there for like drop off and pick up. So will drives us there, this song comes on. I'm literally like falling in the front seat. Um, I get there, you know, all the stuff, you know, goes fine. So we go in to pick up or we get to the school to pick up and, um, the line is literally

out the wazoo like we did not get home. We live 15 minutes from the school. We did not get home until 430 and school that's out at three o'clock. Oh wow. So I'm like, wow, that took a really long time. And so you can't plan for that every day. Every day, like that's not realistic, right? So they had told us that there would be hiccups, you know, with like carpool and stuff like

in the beginning of the year, because people just generally we're all idiots, you know, so me included. So, um, we go in to pick him up and get back in the sign. We didn't even go through the freaking carpool and it's still, we still don't get home until 430. I'm like, damn, my whole life's over for the day. You know, so, um, he gets in the car. And he didn't even seem like, I expected a kindergartner to come home and be super happy,

excited, like, tell you about his day. This is the first day at like real school. First day. I'm thinking the teacher's going to really hype this up, you know, it's going to get him really excited. He didn't even want to talk to us. He sat in the back seat, acted like a robot, like very robotic. Um, the only thing he could tell us was that a fire alarm went off in the school for the

first day on the first day for two hours. And that they were required to evacuate the kids were crying in the classroom. They only have one kindergarten. So he said all the girls in the class were crying and carrying on because they were scared because they didn't know what was going on. They've never been a part of a fire drill, never been part of a fire alarm, anything. This goes on for two hours. So probably scared the shit out of all these kids, all these kindergartners on their first

shit list. Like I'm surprised they didn't call for Jackson to get new underwear. Like you probably should have self probably should have self. Um, the only thing he wants to tell me is obviously it was like very impactful because that's the only thing that he could talk about was like this fire alarm. So obviously he was traumatized. My problem was, was that I was hearing about it from my six year old and the school did not, you know, courtesy email, you know, sometimes they, they have text alerts.

They didn't send a text alert, but they could send an email every single day over the summer asking for money for, you know, they want to buy this bus for the school and they can ask for money for that. They needed a refrigerator so they could ask for money for that. And they can't send an email for a fire, a fire drill that accidentally went off for two hours on the first day of kindergarten. Right. So that was problematic for me, but I was kind of like, you know what, truly could have

been an accident and we're going to look past it, look past it. So I drop him off the next day, will goes back to work. I, you know, I'm in charge of everything at this point. I drop him off. First day he's been through carpool. They have little fifth grade helpers, you know, out there helping the little kids get out of the car, teachers on each end, you know, watching the fifth grade helpers, making sure they're doing the right thing.

And Jackson gets out of the car and he's aimlessly looking around. And I'm like, okay, well obviously he's aimlessly looking around because he's never done this before and he doesn't know what to do. So mind you, he's got his guard up because he's had this two hour fire drill that he's traumatized from. I rolled down the window and I tell the little boy that's the fifth grade helper. I'm like, can you help him get to where he's going because he doesn't know what to do. So he says, yes, of course I'll help him.

So sweetest little kid walks him into the gym and if they get there before a certain time they set up these stations in the gym and they can have like playtime before school. So I had this gut feeling that Jackson wasn't at the right place where he was supposed to be. And so I call the school and they sounded annoyed like whenever I called, but obviously like I'm just concerned and I know what happened that they didn't let me know about the drill. So she's like, yeah, we'll go and look and make sure. And I said, can you call me right back because I just have a bad feeling.

So she calls me back and she's like, well, he's in line now. So that made me feel like, well, maybe he wasn't in line before, like maybe they had to go and retrieve him because it took like 15 minutes for them to call me back to let me know that he had made it to his class. So I'm like, I'm thinking that he didn't make it to his class on his own. They must have had to go and get him. So school, they sent an email out because carpool was not functional on the first day for the way that they had set it up, which obviously we established that sitting there.

So we get an email the first night of school that says parents that have last names a through whatever needs to show up at 305 to 315 and parents with last names. What the fuck? Have they never done this before through the rest of the alphabet show up at this other time. No. No, no, no. Like that doesn't work.

So I'm out running errands in the general vicinity of the school. So school let's out at three o'clock. I was in the area, wouldn't have made sense for me to go home and come back. So I was like, I'll just go ahead and go and sit in the carpool line. So the first person in the carpool line, 235, have my little car tag where they tell me to have the car tag, you know, everything. I followed all the directions. They come out, start coming out at three o'clock, start loading kids into cars.

The lady goes to below the whistle that's standing in front of me and Jackson's nowhere to be found. And I'm like waving my hands around. I'm like, hey, like, don't have my kid, don't have my kid, I rolled down the window, don't have my kid. She flags me to go into this parking lot and she's like, go and sit until we locate him. And I'm like, okay, so I sit there for like 15 minutes and still nothing. So I finally get like somebody that's running the carpool and I'm like, hey, I'm getting

worried like, where's my kid? The kindergarten teacher had told him to go out of the class when they called his number to go out of the class, follow some green sign to carpool and he would like get into the car there. I'm like, first of all, so he goes out of the class and Jackson's story is like a whole gaggle of fifth grade students come running down the hallway. It scares him because he says they're big. So he goes and sits and hides and cries because he's afraid.

Why were they not escorting him to school? That's what I was just about to say. Kindergarteners on the first, even the second day, probably the first full week should be escorted so that they are creating a memory of where to go. That's why he would have had a memory because he's never done it. Well, that's what I'm saying. So he should be escorted for the first week, all of them, all the kindergartners. Yeah.

So I call, after I get him, he's hysterical. So I call the school. I'm like, I need to talk to the principal. The principal literally is so demeaning. She was like, every time she would say something, she would be like, Lindsay. And I'm like, I'm pretty aware of what my name is. Well, also she shouldn't be calling you by your first name. First name.

Yeah. So call me about my last name, first of all, because I don't know you on a first name basis like that, but whatever it wasn't trying to be, Katty, I was like, if you could just have the superintendent of the school, give me a call so I can figure out what's going on because obviously y'all have dropped the ball like, because you know what I feel like sometimes I feel like some teachers and some maybe like principals and stuff. I feel like they just have these expectations that this is what the kids should know what to do.

They should just know. You're so right. She said that. You know what I'm saying? She said like there's an expectation. Well, not all kids are the same. Number one, kindergartners are five and six years old, like relax, like they're not going to get it in their first one or two days, let alone the first week, like brand new.

They are brand new and anyhow, you're exactly right because she said to that point that you just made this expectation. She said, we have an expectation for our children and they need to follow directions. Okay. Well, he didn't even understand the directions. So maybe help him learn them so that he can go out on his own. Oh, so it gets better. So it gets better.

I talked to the, you know, email the superintendent. He emails me back and I tell him, you know, like all of my concerns, why they didn't communicate these things. You know, obviously not a first great start to school that this was a school that was chosen for like, we chose those recommendations of the school and you all have already. Shit the bed. So in hindsight, I feel like I should have gone with my mom gut when he did that GCAP. I should have gone and toured the public school because when I tell you, I thought you toured

it. I didn't tour it. So we had planned to go and tour it and had scheduled to go and tour it, but after we toured the other school first, we had already electively made the decision to send him there. So we were like, we don't want to waste our time to go. So Jackson and I long story short, I know it was a long story, but I withdrew him on Friday from the private school and I electronically withdrew him. I went to get his stuff on Monday that was left at the school and withdrew and enrolled

him and had an appointment at the public school on Monday. Literally the kindest, most humble, normal. I want my kid to be normal. Like he already deals with so much stuff that's not normal. It just felt like such a relief and I feel like that I needed to go through that experience to see the other side so that I could public schools get a bad rap. I feel like, I mean, yeah, there are public schools that are not great, but I mean, there are really good public schools.

He went into his class. His first day was yesterday because the day that I enrolled him, what days, it's Wednesday and the day that I enrolled him, it was like my appointment wasn't until 10, so it would have already been after lunch. He started Tuesday. So he started Tuesday. Yesterday was his first day. He was so excited.

He was like, look, it's just like Spider-Man. They have lunch trays. He wants to be normal. He wants to do all the things. He has a desire to be normal. He's like, I want to ride the bus. I want to do, I think I'm going to let him. I rode Isaac to school, I drove Isaac to school for the first three years and he didn't want

to do it. He was like, I want to get on the bus. I said, all right. As much as it makes me be anxious because I have to be out of control, I've had to realize through this experience that I can't control every aspect of everything because I will drive myself crazy and I have driven myself crazy and I have to let some stuff go and know and trust that there's a plan. I believe in prayer, obviously you believe in crystals, so you can pray to your crystals.

I'm going to pray to the Lord. I think it was, that's good though. You already noticed a difference in Jackson. He had such a great first day. He came home so excited. They allowed us to walk him into the class since it was like his first day and a Hispanic kid came in. He's going to get the diversity, he's going to get everything.

A white kid came in. It wasn't like that at the private school. I want him to have that experience and I feel like through this whole process, I have talked to so many of my girlfriends that have their kids in public school and they said, it's not because we can't afford to send our kids to the private school. The reason that they're in public school is because they need to learn real life and people that have more than them, people that have less than them. Life experiences that they're not going to get, that they're going to be sheltered from

that's going to set them up for unrealistic expectation. It's really weird that you say that because, just like you said, I could afford to send my kids to private school, but Javi went to private school and they never had air conditioner in their school, in their private school. Yeah. What? They withheld his diploma because his dad didn't pay like 250 bucks. It was like a lot of bullshit.

So I was like, I'm not sending my kids to, because that was a conversation I had when I was with him. And I just, I don't know. I just was never interested. And truly, I don't even, I only know of one private school where we're at. It was weird too. It was a weird feeling because when I had already mentally made Will trust my gut, you know, on a lot of stuff with Jackson.

So he'll have an input, but it's not necessarily like he's going to like force something. So if it, like I'm strong in my conviction, he'll be like, I trust, you know, like what you're saying. But it was weird because he wasn't so keen on the private school side of things to begin with. But when I said, no, this is going to work. Like already know it's not going to work. Already have terrible feelings about it.

Will was actually the one that was like, well, he's already started the first two days. Oh, he was wanting to finish. I said, no, I said, it's not even been like, he only did two worksheets and the worksheets were like dumb. And you don't want to, if you already had its first rough start to the kindergarten in that school, imagine what the rest of the year would have looked like for him. He woke up this morning. I got him.

That's why I was 15 minutes late because I was getting him ready for school. And even though the school day, um, it starts so early, I can tell you that he was so excited that he could wear a Spider-Man jacket. And I didn't really realize that those little things matter so much to them. Yep. I remember like laying my outfits out on bed on the bed and like sleeping next to it because I was so excited about like my new outfit and like all my things, you know. And the majority of my education was public school education other than high school.

So I just went to private school 10th through 12th grade. So the majority of my education came from public school. So I mean, I don't really consider myself dumb. I mean, kind of, but stop, you know what I mean? Like I don't really consider those were probably like the best years of my life, like looking back on it. Yeah. And you see some of the funniest stuff happen, you know, cause like kids just don't give

a shit. Oh no. I let Lincoln pick his own outfits and they never match. Oh. And he just has a ball with it. And I'm like. Jackson laid his outfit out last night. And probably slept next to it.

That was me. Yeah. That was me. I put the whole thing together. The whole. I can't wait for Lincoln to start. I was never that person. Like and I.

Really? It's so weird because you would think like how I like to be put together. Yeah. That I would have been that girl. I know I had it ready for a week. No, that's not a thing. Yeah, it is. I had a black panther shirt on a, his class is a superhero class.

So I think he wanted to really like flex on, you know, I think he wanted to flex on. I'm like, I've got all this superhero shit. Yeah, I have this. And he had a black panther shirt laid out a pair of royal blue shorts. Okay. A. Spider-Man jacket. Spider-Man jacket that his grandparents bought him from Target two weekends ago that when you put the hood on, it's got like the eyes on it and I'm like, okay, they're going to

think you're a robber. You let him wear his outfit that he picked out. I didn't. He wore the Spider-Man jacket, but I had to change the undershirt and like, I was like, these are two different outfits. I'm like, you know, when you're a black panther, you have to be a black panther because I want to compare the Lincoln outfit and the Jackson outfit because I'm going to let Lincoln pick his own outfit.

He wore, he wore the red ear max today too. Well, and Lincoln's colorblind too. So it adds an extra touch. I forgot about him being colorblind. So he really, he really works the grout fits. Okay. So, so this is, well, okay, you have to look at this one first because this doesn't have the shoes.

I saw the one and, and please don't, don't look at the back of my house where it's a mess. I won't judge. Okay. Oh yeah. Oh, the socks to match the Spider-Man. Yes. Yeah. Definitely.

Okay. But, okay. Here he needed this photo with the straight up air max like the red air max. He did so good. No, he didn't do that. I did. Oh, you did good. Okay.

I took his jacket and ironed it because I can't stand wrinkles. Oh, good. And then I got just like a solid shirt to go under because I'm like that jacket's a little bit busy, you know, for like black panther and black panther, it was like, you know, it's like pretty tacky and then those blue shorts just like wasn't in the same color scheme as this. So I'm like, it doesn't really go, but he was, he was rule determined that that was the outfit.

So you know what? I let him roll with it and he's loving his life. I bet. And he's so excited for taco Thursdays and I'm so excited for him to be normal. Taco Thursday is not normal, Lindsay. Why? It's taco Tuesday. Well, at their school, they do taco Thursdays.

Well, that's not normal. So they need to get it together. Well, you know what? Maybe that's their plan. And if they don't want to be normal, I'm okay with it because my kid, it feels so good and I feel so relieved and I had so much more stuff to talk about, but I think we're like over time for a week. Well, we have so much catching up to do.

So we'll have to do that on the next episode. I literally have like probably another hour of crystals and new house and like play sets and bullshit. And we'll have to do that another day. All right, guys. Well, I think that's unfortunately all the time we have for today. So if you have not subscribed to us, you can do that by searching the purple podcast app on your iPhone type in coffee combos, click subscribe, click the fit star, leave us a

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