Coffee Convos with Kail Lowry and Lindsie Chrisley - 94 Siblings and Counting with Jacoba Ballard + Jason Hyatt

Episode Date: May 19, 2022

It's a juicy episode! The Netflix documentary Our Father finally released and we talk to two of the siblings, Jacoba Ballard and Jason Hyatt, on the ongoing battles they've faced since discovering the crimes of Dr.Donald Cline Kail and Lindsie talk about soft launching the special men in their lives as Kail sits on the toilet (no, seriously..) It's a wild episode! Thank you to our sponsors! Body Guardz: Go to BodyGuardz.com/coffee to protect your phone today. Cerebral: Go to Cerebral.com/convos for 65% off your first month Jinx: Get 15% off your first two orders online at thinkjinx.com/COFFEECONVOS  Stitch Fix: Sign up today at StitchFix.com/CONVOS to get $20 off your first purchase Stamps.com: Use promo code COFFEE for a 4-week trial, free postage, and a digital scale at Stamps.com Best Fiends: Download Best Fiends FREE today on the App Store or Google Play

I hate gift giving and receiving receiving gifts is so weird. What do you say? Thank you? This is coffee convos with Kale Lowry and Lindsay Chrisley. I really want you to be in your feels Kale That does not interest me whatsoever. I feel very attacked by you a spirited discussion about motherhood friendship Family and life in the public eye. I'm just not with the fakery anymore. There's a fakery bakery around here Here's Kale and Lindsay It's coffee combos in the morning Is that our new tag line? Yeah, we love that so much. What are you doing? Well, I'm still recovering from yesterday. I think I had a small stomach bug of some sort

Hmm I'm still recovering about that. I should I shit myself last night Can you tell us more about how that happened? Yeah, let me tell you this story because honestly, it was horrible It was truly truly. I Had Chick-fil-A for lunch around 11 30 12 and I Immediately felt like something was not right. Like I didn't feel like the food was like undercooked or anything But I was like, mmm, that's not so good I felt a little weird. So I ended up not finishing my sandwich and I threw it away

Like whatever went about my day and then at school pickup time. I went and picked up Lux and then Isaac and then Lincoln and then Lux needed gummy bears. This is I'm giving you guys like literally play-by-play details. So We had Lux is having an ice cream party at school today so I had to stop at the dollar store to get gummy bears because that was what the topping that he wanted to bring in and We stopped at the dollar store, which is literally on our way home and I felt like weird but like not Like I was like, whatever. I'm just gonna thug it out. Did you have bubbleguts? No, that's the craziest fucking part The craziest part. So I actually the kids Isaac and Lincoln ran into the dollar store to go grab these gummy bears

and I stayed in the car with Lux and I would start backing out of the parking spot once they came back out and I said We have to go to Royal Farms and they were like, why what's wrong? And I was like, I'm gonna shit myself And they were like they immediately start cracking up and then see when I tell you like I'm shaking and clenching my ass cheeks together So hard Like mom what is going on? She just like doesn't understand like just hold it like just what is wrong with you You're like, no, it is literally spewing out my asshole. No, literally like Immediately I'm like I have to get to Royal Farms and

Royal Farms is it like a gas station? Maybe like three minutes from the dollar general the family dollar and And um, I'm at the light directly in front of it Like directly like all I have to do is get through this light and I will be in The Royal Farms, but it just started coming out and so I stop stop It was just blowing out. I was clenching and it was coming out. You had a fucking blowout No, literally. No, I had to drive standing were you farting when it was coming out? No, it was like pee out of my asshole So I'm like, I can't do this So I'm like using my left foot to like stand up and like I'm standing up so that

And my foot my other foot was like barely on the gas and now we're 16 minutes from home So there's like 16 minutes So I have to call Natalie who's at the house with Creed and I'm like listen to me if my boyfriend comes home Before I get there you need to tell him to leave immediately You need to tell him to get I have to walk in with shitty draws and go to the store Yes, so I I have his location. We have each other's location So I had to look at his location to like make sure that he was like far, but he was still at work So I was like thank fucking God

Um, stop stop and then Basically made the pact that we're not telling him when we get home. So the kids are like laughing and As soon as he walks in the door. Well, first of all, I get immediately in the shower. I didn't even take my clothes off I got in the shower with all my clothes on and took them all off in the shower And Lux was like he walks in he's like mom you have poop right there, and I was like literally get out like get the fuck out Lux is an asshole so Once he gets home from work I See Lincoln running down the stairs because he's about to he's like my mom and then

Isaac like puts him in a headlock and covers his mouth, and he's like mom take his phone If I let him go and he says it you have to take his phone As soon as he lets go Lincoln's like my mom shoulder pants I have a couple of questions because I always do right Okay, so did you just sit in the Vehicle and continue shitting yourself or did you get out and go to the bathroom? No, there was shit in my pants Lindsay, I couldn't get out of the car. So how did you stop shitting? I was done shitting it Exploded out of me like the fucking demon. It was like an exorcism. Oh

My how much was there? There was a lot. I mean I have a shitting problem. I don't shit for like five days. So when I do shit It's five to six days worth of shit. Were the kids gagging smelling this was this a foul What They were like, can we put the windows down stop? Oh my god. I can't believe I'm telling this story I'm so embarrassed because like the teachers listen to this, but it's fine. It's oh, this is a part of my life So kill. Do you think I need to see a doctor because I feel like normal people can hold their shit. Yeah What kind of doctor would I even see a shitting one like the ones that deal with assholes

Colonize what kind of doctor is that what's it called? Colon colon guy. That's what we're gonna call him the colon guy You need to go to to him and find out what exactly like why you can't get a turd out and then why it explodes out Yeah, like that's Those are two polar opposite things that are going on and terrologist Okay, well, you need to see him wherever he's at you need to call because that is alarming I Thought that maybe like a little turd squeezed out and then you like not went into the bathroom and what we're able to

Continue going this is alarming. I do have something that I want to play really quick though. It was liquid Kids I had to like Clean out my like I didn't get any poop on my seat like it didn't come out of my pants. Thank God But I didn't wipe my I still like sanitized my chair anyway, because I was like This is so foul. Um Yeah, I kill this leads me to Talk about dating and I'm like

Seeing all those tiktoks Um, you thought we'll have to find it and post it on coffee combos Instagram But it's like the one where you go on a however many-day trip with your boyfriend and you have to figure out how like not to shit Oh, yeah, oh a hundred percent You are literally trying to dodge your boyfriend and checking his location to make sure he's not going to see your shit in your pants Correct, correct, correct. We are not okay Well, also, I saw this tiktok of this girl. She's so pretty and so cute and I was like, okay so pretty girls can have IBS like that's a thing and

She was talking about how she was dating and she had to leave at like six in the morning because she her stomach was There was demons inside of her stomach like she's about to shit. And so I was like wow like I've never Saw a tiktok that was more relatable. So like I'm also gonna post that one because I didn't feel so alone You know what I mean? Like I you felt seen. I felt yeah, I felt seen and I felt heard because I This doesn't happen to other people the way that it happens to me And I was late to Lux's baseball game because I was showering with Okay, well I have one follow-up that I'd like to follow up before we really get into our other bullshit

Have you been able to orgasm? so I Won't tell you. I know that was very abrupt like we just went from you literally blowing your asshole out to yeah, no, you're fine No No, I haven't But I do I mean are we how tea am I are we going because I can give like other this point at this point I think that like we're holding no prisoners. Just like let it out Okay, so I can get wet, but I can't like climax

Okay, so it's like weird but is that new so yes because at first I like couldn't even do that I'm like what the fuck am I gonna do have to use lube like what the hell am I gonna do? So I told my therapist about this and she said that sometimes because at first I was like I got a switch meds because I was like I can't live like this, but then she said sometimes That is like an initial side effect, but sometimes like your ability to like orgasm and stuff will come back later So I do want to give it a little bit of a chance Over the next couple weeks, especially because the kids are getting out of school and stuff like that But there is a new side effect that I'm experiencing

I can't cry Well Do you feel like you want to cry? Um, so my the way that my therapist explained it to me is that Some people that have depression the way it presents in them They can't stop crying not all people with depression can't stop crying, but some people can't stop crying Um, and so for them that would be a positive side effect But because that's not how my depression presents in me. It's a negative side effect

Um, I think it's negative and I do want to cry because one I'm an emotional person and two, you know If someone were to pass away and I were to go to a funeral right now knock on wood. Hope that doesn't happen Oh my gosh. Kale that just took a such a sad turn I know it did but like that's the that's what I'm saying like I would not be able to cry at that funeral Yeah, well, I'm hoping that there's no funerals before you get the ability to cry again Um, I will say it's weird because it almost feels like it's blocking you from any type of release, right? Yes, and I

I don't really cry a lot But when I do it is a really good release for me so that not not being able to has been very weird That is very weird. Well, thanks for the update and the honesty Actually, a lot of people had written on the coffee combos fan page on Facebook You know, like their side effects and stuff with Zoloft and I Just love that this has been able to be an open community for people to feel comfortable enough to like chat and share with us because Everybody's experiences are just so different but like some the same Yeah, I I read a thread on our coffee combos group that people started for us and

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$30 to get started join cerebral today on their mission to make quality mental health care accessible and affordable for all ps I Saw you soft launched. I saw you soft one. Hey That wasn't part of the plan. Okay. I need to hear all of your details first because one You posted a tiny little photo in the corner of an Instagram story and it was like Identifiable that it was your hand because of your tattoos and then The hand on top and they were like, oh, it's a small hand. It might be hobby and I'm like, what?

Yeah, did you not see that? No Yeah, and I was like, okay. First of all that entire thing's canceled like no, that's not who it is First of all, secondly, why didn't you make the picture bigger? Were you afraid people would go and like look at his fingernails and the crevices of his fingers and be like, I know who that is now Yes, I think like what was the thought process behind this? Well, I thought maybe they would zoom in or and then I saw comments about how small his hand was and I'm like First of all, it was the angle. Second of all, his hand is way bigger than mine. So like interesting

Um, I think it was just the angle, but yeah, I didn't want anyone to like you I don't want anyone to like the angle to his Fingernails or something like I just thought that was like weird. They're like, okay. Well because his pinky goes a little bit to the left I know it's this person Well, I Don't know anyone. I mean people still think it's Keith. So first of all Keith is like a tree He's yeah, he's so tall it looks nothing like Keith The entire vibe is so different actually saw Keith commenting back like on

Something that I posted on one of your and so your actual soft launch Um, he was commenting back and just like on the defense and I just want to shout Keith out right now and just you know Be like you're you're a real one Love that for us. So then you post this hand photo and It becomes part of threads across Instagram it was in my Southern tea podcast fan page it was in the coffee combos podcast fan page And it was like this bitch out here soft launching, okay?

And then you decide that that soft launch like wasn't enough you were gonna You know like up the ante and then you go and post an infee post I did I did And I was a little bit mad and salty about it because I was like that's how keel looks at me What do you mean? You look at me happy like that and I'm like You know what? I know it's right. That's how I know when I saw your facial expression I was like, okay, like I I know that like this is a good thing I don't feel like I've seen you have a facial expression with anyone like that

Except I and that's just because I'm annoying Lux took that picture. How did he even do that? First of all, I don't know I like looked at my camera roll and there was like six of them and like that was The that one was a good one. So it's like a lot. That's actually pretty good I did he his pants were down a little bit, but he had just gotten off work. So I Saw some comments about his pants, but I'm like, y'all, you know what leave this man alone He has a fucking job and a car and a house and like I don't need the the slander Remember back of the day when you were like, I just I just want a man with a job That's all that's all I could ask for after my lack of experience

I just want something with somebody with their own stuff who really just like meets me where I'm at, you know, and I feel like I found that but You're not gonna get by on not telling me about your soft lunch and going on a little bike ride because Let me tell you that I missed it. Like I didn't I saw your story, but I completely Disregarded the man's arm and half of his head on the bike in front of you and then I was scrolling on Instagram or Facebook and everyone's like they both soft launched and I was like, wait, what and I went back and I was like this girl Okay, so let me tell you the details about this

Okay, so I was just there's some pretty scenery around and like he's also pretty so I'm like, okay You know, I'm just gonna take this video and a lot of people were like, how was this girl riding a bike? Not shaking on the video like taking a video like this. Like I need answers. Well, I Grew up riding a bike. So I feel like it can do that pretty well with one hand. Actually, I can go no hands first and background info but Yeah, it was a 15 second video But I ended up posting eight seconds because I had to clip it because he turned around and his face would have been seen so You really finessed I did

Really, I have to poop hold on what are you taking the mic in the toilet? Did she go away? I'm pretty sure Kale shitting you guys in the bathroom. Hold on. Oh my Is she fucking kidding? I think I have a stomach bug like something you see you coming back Or do you have your mic with you? I have my mic with me Wait, if we hear it if we hear it Please take over for me right now. I can't do this

You guys Nothing help me. I can't I'm sweating you guys. Thank you. No one's helping you Here's how I'm sweating. I can't I need it. Are you gonna hit this is not normal. Are you gonna blow the toilet up? I hope not. I keep muting myself. Oh my god Tell the store finish telling the story. Wait, so does he know that you did a lunch of him? So, um, yeah, so I took this video and then I cropped it down to eight seconds instead of 15 and I was like No one's gonna be able to see his face whatever and then I do this he wakes up and he is like Oh, wow

So so there's that good morning Um, and then actually someone Bound him on Instagram from that. Are you joking? And he was like, did they match my biceps up apparently they did Yeah, evidently they did. Uh, it was really funny though because now that you're in the bathroom shitting I'm probably gonna hear your turds coming out But on the threads I was laughing so hard because people were like this was definitely the person that walked through Walked through Lindsay's kitchen and used paper towels to wipe their asshole and I was like Because they were like a girl

Would not have done that so all of these things that Lindsay has been saying along the way Now all make totally make sense But yeah, I feel like I'm not gonna give Any more information on the suburban dad. Um I know that I'm very happy and I have been spending quite a lot of time with him as of lately and

Yeah, I mean I'm happy and that's all that really matters. I'm not going to give any identifying information of the suburban dad Other than he is a suburban dad and he's hot. So well, I approve and I obviously want to see you happy and Find living your best life. So I hope that I feel exposed Why are you exposed? I just feel like It's like you keep this secret, right?

And it's not that you really want to keep a secret But you don't want to like be too premature and telling someone something and then It like all falling apart, you know Totally and even though like I really feel like this is the one for me I also felt that way like even posting the picture last night. Like I don't want I feel Exposed is like the perfect word for that. Like that's exactly what it is and

I don't know if you feel like this too, but You know, I've never introduced Jackson to anyone and so Being vulnerable in the way of like Even letting anyone know Semi what's going on and knowing that like there's a potential for Jackson to be meeting someone Whatever that looks like like

I want to be very cautious with that because kids As people say they're so resilient I also don't want to expose him to anything that is unnecessary exposure, you know, and so I've just had to be super super careful, but I also am very much Following my head and my heart equally on this decision and I feel like I'm I've I don't want to say I have played these cards because it's not a game But in this situation, I have played this entire situation very differently than I ever have anything else in my life I think you

coming out of a divorce and just kind of giving yourself as much time as you did to Just like really like be by yourself and like process how you feel and kind of move on from that chapter I feel like you're going to go into this you're in this very clear-minded and very um hyper aware and so Trust yourself I think you'll know when the time is right to do all of the things that you need to do whether it be

You know later on invite Um introduce Jackson or um or not or you know, whatever you choose to do. I think that you should trust yourself. Definitely trust yourself Well, and also, you know, you've got to consider And I put a lot of thought into this and put a lot of thought into therapy in this that you know the lifestyle that that you chose and that that I've chosen um to give myself to reality tv and to to podcast that are heavily followed and Social media and be a part of that every single day. Um

I've also tried to be very careful When it comes to him because that's not his life, you know, and so To expose someone to that and get them to a level of understanding of what you deal with on a daily weekly lifetime basis um That's a navigation in itself that I've had to deal with and so You know, I would never want to quickly introduce someone to that world

Without really doing all the due diligence and having those conversations with the person and also with myself To be like, okay, you know, this is this is the right timing like I needed that to be the right timing I needed to feel like it was the right timing totally. I I didn't even think about the reality tv part of it just because you know, I left The show or whatever and so I guess I didn't really have to think about that too much but um Especially for you just like not, you know, I don't want to say anything that you have going on

But like in the event of filming like you have to be sure that because that's a completely separate thing Then you know introducing Jackson to him is like, do you want him a part of your filming world? You know well, yeah, and like I don't know. I I feel like I have very good judgment and um I wouldn't prematurely Do anything that I didn't feel Comfortable with I will just say that I have feelings in the situation that I have never

Felt in any other situation before and I don't think I don't think it has anything to do with Lust I don't think it has anything to do with newness. I think it has to do with maturity life experience, um And just truly where I'm at in my Life that I can just look at things so differently now, right? Well, I love that. I love that for you. I love that for us So for those of you who listen to coffee combos regularly or follow me on instagram You know that I have the most precious pup. She is a micro mini golden doodle named Georgia

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All during that time. Did you mute me? I muted myself. Yeah, I did I mean come on like What do you want from me? I mean, would you have rather me pause get up go shit and do everything and then come back? No, I would have preferred the episode to go exactly the way that it has actually. Um, supreme supreme content for everyone that we love who is listening to this Um before we get into anything else. I just wanted to say that Kristen has found a solution for coffee combos group chat and she plans to be posting information over on our instagram and facebook

Um, and I think this is going to be super cool. It's something that evidently I wasn't either on board with before or I just completely dropped the ball on before. Um, not really sure what happened there but I think this would be a really fun way to Engage with you guys and have you, uh Part of our daily bullshit like you know, I could have sent to the group chat that when I opened up my garage door Coming home to record. I was in a rush from Chick-fil-A. I needed to grab my Chick-fil-A Coke And when I opened the garage door fucking birds started flying out of my garage. I'm like, how did they get in there? And I thought it was part of a movie. So, um, those would be fun things to share with you guys

and we really just want to try to gauge interest on Y'all's interest on there. Do you have anything to say about that kale? Yeah, no, um, I did try to keep up with this before but I think this was like around the time I had creed so Um, I do apologize for dropping the ball with this Uh, you know prior we tried it, but I'm excited to try again. I think that now that I am Filming free and I'm in the office almost every single day. I'll have some extra time to like respond and like tell you all my shit stories Um, keep it more personal so my kids teachers don't have to hear it. Um, you know Regular shit. I feel like that's gonna be content that we're probably regularly not gonna be sharing on the episodes. So

Yeah, you guys are gonna have to like, I don't know if this is like subscribing Uh, what this looks like, but we will give you we Kristen will give you guys more information. Um What was going on in coffee converse group chat was a lot of articles and tiktoks this week one of them was I think kale shared this a South Carolina man died from a heart problem While burying the woman that he strangled No, I think Kristen sent that. Okay. Well, I don't know which one of you twisted bitches sent this but this was on cnn And it says a 60 year old man strangled a woman and tried to bury her in the backyard Of their South Carolina home

But then had a cardiac event in the process of covering a pit and died According to news release from the edgefield county sheriff's office It says deputies responded to the home um on saturday morning for calls of an unresponsive man lying in the yard deputies identified him um, he had no signs of trauma and natural causes were suspected as deputies notified the next of kin a second body was found in the freshly dug pit um and officials identified those remains um as This other woman she was 65 years old and she also lived at the house um and appeared to have died by foul play I just need to know who was the person who

Called who found them in the yard. That's so crazy. I um We'll post the article like Lindsay said it's on cnn. Um Yeah, I don't yeah, and it says for calls meaning like multiple calls were made deputies responded to the home And Trenton on saturday morning for calls Yeah, like who was calling who saw him? There I feel like there's got to be way more information on this but it says that um deputies believe that he attacked her inside their home Um, and that she was bound and wrapped in a trash bag. Um

Before he put her in the dug pit in the yard So what I'm going to say to this is that karma is a bitch Karma is a bitch karma doesn't miss. It might not be immediate, but this one seems to have been immediate like I don't wish uh cardiac arrest on anybody or anything like that but you know if you've killed somebody and you're out digging a hole to put them in and You happen to pass away from cardiac arrest

Then I don't really have much to say about that other than first of all a 60 year old man strangled a woman like At 60 years old, what the fuck are you doing? Like don't you have to go visit elderly homes to like see where you're gonna go live? Like I don't understand Yeah, so I don't really know but we will share the article. This man was obviously rogue and unwell Um, something else that I saw that was unwell that made me feel

I don't even know how I feel about this. So I'm gonna like process through these feelings as I read this but did you see um where travis barker's ex-wife shana mokler claimed she caught him having an affair with kim kardashian I thought we talked about this like a long time ago and like they didn't actually have an affair or anything Like he just liked her No, so it says that I found this article it says she shana mokler claims that she divorced travis barker after she caught him having an affair with kim kardashian It says that she split from him in 2006 and after a brief reconciliation. They finalized the divorce in 08

Now shana claims that it was her husband's infidelity that prompted her to sign the papers telling us weekly I divorced my ex-husband because I saw Then and I caught them having an affair Caught them having an affair She added that she saw text messages between the pair and alleged the affair took place before keeping up with kardashians appeared in 2007 travis famously filed for divorce from shana in 2006 just two years after marriage after claiming she had been unfaithful towards him shana claimed that mutual friends of the trio told her of the alleged affair stating that they sent me all their text conversations And i'm also close friends with people who were there while things were happening

According to shana's timeline kim was still working alongside paris hilton as her closet organizer when she first came in contact with travis so i'm gonna play um i'm gonna i'm gonna i don't know if this is devil's advocate or not but I just from you reading this to me and Having somewhat of an experience in the public eye something tells me That she may or may not be maybe exaggerating a little bit because she's seeing the amount of press and attention travis is getting well, it says she added that she had asked her former husband to not use kim as

A model due to her direct ties to paris and that she and travis had been working On their marriage trying to heal through the affair, but that he continued to work with kim despite her wishes That she then received all the text messages and other third parties let her know and travis had previously referenced his infatuation with kim and his 2015 memoir He referred to kim as paris's closet girl and he discussed their interactions in their early Nauti's He pinned I kept on secretly checking out kim

Telling lil chris. I don't care if she's the closet girl. She's fucking hot So what do we think I don't know I think I it's a little weird. It is a little weird, but I also think that there are tons of times where people Hang out or like think that a sibling is cute and then Like maybe it's weird, but like then you end up with like you don't nothing ever happens But you end up with another sibling kale if somebody

Was trying to date my sister And then was like, oh, yeah, but I think I like that one better or like vice versa No, they would be canceled from the whole family Even if like it was just talking and never like hanging out. Okay. Yeah That's not a thing I actually need to know because this has probably come up in real Life people's lives. Yeah, it's come up in mine. So, huh? Wait, can you tell more

On on two different occasions like on two different situations. Yeah um A brother has been like interested in me. Oh, yeah Yeah, okay. Tell us more nothing ever happened never kissed never. I probably didn't even hug Um But like maybe entertained it a little bit like okay like me I would be open to see where this goes and then you meet the brother and you're like, oh I always feel like that is

breeding grounds of resentment right like unless you can really be like, okay You were stupid sitting in those flirty text or like whatever like did you guys share nudes and stuff? Oh, no, no, no, no, no, no, no No, I never went that far. It literally never went that far Okay. Well, I'm thinking in my mind like, okay, you are actively dating this other person And y'all probably shared a couple little nudies like y'all've been making out and kissing and like doing all this stuff like Might have given him a bj like we don't know Give him a bj. First of all, y'all know how I feel about bjs. I'm just not good at them

I'm gonna circle back on that in a second. Um And then he you know, like maybe comes to Easter because of course I need to bring the Lord into this Um, and he sees your sibling and he's like, okay. Yeah, like all that was fun But I'm gonna try like I'm gonna test drive this one out Like that to me is not a thing. So I'm like, okay if Kim was slobbing on his knob And now Courtney is I'm alarmed. Yeah, no, I agree with you. I definitely I mean, I'm talking When it when it was my situation one of them Never I was like never did anything with them at all like one of them was like a gym session

And then I never saw him again, you know what I mean? And then like two years later. I ended up with his brother Okay, so I feel like that's a different situation. I'm literally being so dramatic right now and I'm like, no Kim was, you know, maybe doing a little couple hand shandies or like Bjs and now Courtney's married to this man But that's literally me. I made up all that in my mind So I need to know in real life if this has happened to other people how you dealt with it Um, and if it's a thing Okay, thank you everybody

um Tennessee bill that requires drunk drivers to pay child support if they kill parents past I love this idea I also love this idea Bill in Tennessee has been passed that will require drunk drivers to pay child support if they kill their parents The state senate passed the bill on wednesday That now means anyone who kills a parent while drinking and driving will be required to pay child support According to the tennessee general assembly, they will be required to pay the child maintenance to each of the victims

Children until each child reaches 18 years of age and has graduated from high school I love that. I think that's a great idea. It says the amount paid Will be decided by the court and the dependent on the children's Circumstances it will also be based on the financial needs and resources and standard of living which the child is used to Additionally, if the person charged is unable to pay while in jail They will be required to begin paying the child maintenance once released and if the payments are due To come to an end without being paid in full. Then the payments will continue until It is

I love that idea. I absolutely love that should be passed in every state. I agree I definitely agree with you. Um, it's like you take someone's parents uh Then that becomes your responsibility because you decided it was a good idea to get Behind a wheel and drink and drive and potentially kill people, right? No, I wholeheartedly agree with you um We should post that article on the coffee combo story and we should get into our father So shopping for new clothes can be time consuming and stressful, especially when you have four little rug rats like me

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I'm lindy chrisley join me for the southern tea. It's a weekly heart to heart from this southern girl and boy mom Who's just trying to navigate life? Nothing is off limits. I talk about it all life career family motherhood faith and everything in between It's an ongoing conversation and I can promise you one thing I'm spilling tea the whole tea And nothing but the tea so listen to and follow the southern tea now on apple podcast Spotify and wherever you listen to podcasts We should get into our father Oh my gosh. So I actually

Tried to watch this a couple of times over the weekend and then kept falling asleep. I was so tired every time I tried to watch it I was like I was so tired but I thought the documentary was really well done and I just can't I'm kind of mind blown that This happened

I So I have a lot of notes. Um, I I'm I'm not mind blown that this happened like now that I see like Am I disgusted? Absolutely, but I I think that Was sperm banks? No, I think in the documentary they said that sperm banks were not really what they are today Um, where you can literally go online I mean, I've done it myself when I was going through this process to like look at

donor Like profiles and you can I think a lot of the online ones You can't get like a whole lot of information like if you go in person and I think during this time They didn't really have sperm banks like that and so I don't know and like was there the only thing that I don't think that was in the documentary was like Was there a medical release that was signed? you know

Who the donor? You know supposedly was um because I think I would want to know Yeah, who the don't if he's saying. Oh, it's a medical resident. It's a medical resident resident. Okay, but what is the family history? Right, right just and and I have four kids now and I just now I'm thinking like What is the In mental health history and things like that when you're in the moment and you're young 16 20 You're not really thinking about that now I'm like does this person have a history of mental health issues just this person have a history of

You know certain diseases whatever um And so I feel like they had a right to know who the donor was or at least some sort of information and they didn't even get that For sure for those of you who have not watched yet um This took place during the 1970s and 80s when a fertility specialist in indiana named dr. Donald kline inseminated dozens of patients with his own sperm without their knowledge or consent the stories from some of the women um and

The at least 94 biological children of kline are told in this documentary the film Features interviews with parents and their children as well as others close to the situation Chronicles the siblings path to uncovering the truth of their biological parentage and spotlights their um fury and resolve as failed to see kline answer for his crimes in court I'm just so disturbed

um by this doctor and The fact that this was taking place in a clinic that appeared. I know that like in the documentary It's not the clinic that it was taking place in but like For people to say that they didn't know that this is what he was doing But like the quarters were so small right like How was there no speculation because I've worked in an office before and there's office chatter right and

people are always speculating what you know Other people are doing Inside their cubicle inside somebody else's office, you know, whatever so like why was that not? So one of the moms said that He would when she did it. I think she had it done the IVF Um I want to say it was three or five times. I don't remember He would have her meet at the office

Um, whether it was during the week or on the weekend when no one else was there So one of his partners. I think it was dr. Culver Um, he he worked in in dr. Klein's office for a brief time. I think they were partners for like four or five years He had no idea this was going on um, and he was really shocked to find that out um, but I think he was having people go there after hours and on the weekends and so other doctors weren't present but what's really disturbing to me too is that um, You know people that had their own samples from their husbands. Yeah, I understand. Yes

some people are you know, they they're shooting blanks or they have low semit count, but For ones that were you know, maybe Viable samples You're still using your own and I don't understand. I don't understand that Um, and then at one point he's actually the ob gyn for his own daughter And she doesn't learn that until she's an adult that she has been she's been going to her own father for You know all of her time going to to a gyn and I found that very disturbing and I thought that alone should have been a crime

um, because I felt like that's sort of Like did he know that was his child because surely at the time he didn't think that DNA testing would be what it is today So did he not know? You know, whether that was his child or not. I mean even still it's disgusting well, yeah, and I mean To me it's like there's no conscience, right? It's like you're going into Your office, you know in the scene it like really freaked me out where it was like the back of his head and then you see him jacking off

And then he puts the cup on the desk And that shows him walking into the room Woman's laying down. It's like he probably was still erect like when this was going on That's so disturbing that is and so you have to wonder is there a sexual? Yeah, element to this or is this, you know, he wants to see which of his Offspring, you know makes it to the ties at a game for him. Is it sexually charged? Is this, you know, he thinks he's god

I don't know what it is But I did notice that a lot of the siblings So by the end of it, there were 94 siblings and counting And jacobba was I believe one of the older the oldest sisters with maybe the first one She found she she Always wanted to know if she had siblings Um, and so she was a little excited. She found seven siblings But

can you just imagine though like taking an at-home DNA test And learning that you have seven half siblings when you get the results back. I know that the one she used was 23 and me um and She would just like keep seeing these new connections on there like can you imagine? Um, actually this happened to bone. It did. Yeah I'll we'll have to have bone tell her story on here. Um at some point, but this also happened to bone with 23 and me

and How crazy is it is that? Dr. Klein was practicing all the way up until 2009 like this was taking place during the 1970s and 80s and He was practicing Up until 2009 what would he have done if two of his children were married? Well, that was like what I was thinking

the potential here for this to be like generational incest like unknown because they all um Jacoba says that um The siblings a majority of them live within a 25 mile radius Which is so disturbing if I found out that you were my sister a lot of things would make sense But like could you imagine? um

Living in an area That you potentially could have that many siblings just like walking around like how would you feel safe? Like once you gain knowledge of this, right? It's like how would you feel safe? Really having relationships with any people like even on a friend level. Um, like dating Whatever you couldn't out being You like can we do your dna but to make sure?

Right like before you start dating. Yeah I mean, I don't know if Jacoba had her own family. I guess she did because I think she said that she got it as like a gift or something So she probably had a family already But like imagine if one of the siblings did date somebody else and at one point in the documentary one of the siblings did know One of her siblings because they had both of their kids played on the same sports team so, you know Right there is Enough to be like what the hell. I mean, did he not think of that when he was doing this?

Well, he very clearly was Definitely not wanting to tell the truth that that was very clear One thing that like really bothers me and it bothers me with the Duggers as well And I will continue to say this every time we talk when there is a religious element in story, but With him being an elder at his church Doing baptisms in his pool at home home and

having That type of affiliation With church but like knowing that he's doing all of this stuff That to me is so alarming and it gives Christian such a bad name. I'm just like why like why involve the lord in some stuff like this? Well, and then when he when all of this came about the only thing he was concerned about was his marriage and his wife Um, but without going any further. Um, Jacoba did just enter the chat. So I'm going to let her into The podcast. All right, you guys, let's take a quick second. I want to talk to you guys about bodyguards

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Thank you. I appreciate it. We so appreciate you coming on. I know this was such short notice um Lindsay and I watched the whole documentary when as soon as it came out and I had Immediately tried to look you up on social media, but I couldn't find you so then christen Um assistant and best friend was like, let me try to do let me try to find her and then she did so Um, we're happy to have you. Well, I'm glad you did. Thank you. I'm gonna take a sip of water real quick I have like all this autoimmune stuff going on and I It's horrible. Oh, I hear you. Um, and the auto auto immune stuff is related to dr. Klein

Well, we don't know he won't give medical history Um, but I can tell you um, there's so many siblings with Autoimmune diseases and it doesn't come from your mom's side No Oh my gosh Wait Hi, first of all, um He has not been required

Legally to give you guys any type of medical history No none and as a matter of fact, so Last year I was at my worst I had to I'm a paramedic and I had to quit working full-time because I physically couldn't do it I got to the point. I couldn't walk And I sorry I'm gonna cry. I uh

There were sometimes I went I thought I was gonna die um And I it was so hard for me, but I text him like I'm begging him Nothing What do you do you have any contact with him now? No, he will he respond at all? No to any of the siblings um So I I don't know about him, but I know some of my siblings talked to his son that he raised

And so do you not talk to any of the kids that he raised? No No, so in the beginning um his son that he raised uh we Met and he told me he was gonna get answers find out how many And then that number changed like it kept growing And then he told me if He lies to me again. I'm done

well The next thing I know he's telling me like you can't go public um And I can't get the answers for you, but my mom and I had to Make a decision Um, because I never like sought out to hurt him his mother no any of them, but I was like I said what about my mom?

What about all of these mothers? And he didn't say anything Pardon me. He didn't say anything no Wow Wow, I mean just based off of What you see off of the documentary. I don't really And and pardon me if this isn't sensitive, but um, I don't really

See him having a conscience. So I'm not surprised that this is how he's handled the situation I mean, I would I feel that way too I I am surprised because I feel like what was the purpose then what was the purpose of him doing this if he didn't eventually want to have A relationship with you guys or didn't want to know how you guys all you know ended up or Do you get what I mean? Like I guess I don't understand what the motive was behind it and I we were just talking before you came on um you know

did he Keep track of who in fact did get pregnant every time that he inseminated someone with his own so would he have known Um, one of the siblings was his daughter That he examined and did her her visits for like would he have known that was in fact his child or was it a guessing game? so He would have had to know that she was his daughter. They were colleagues They worked together. They served in the air force together um

You know, they have pictures of him holding them as children so I you know for her yes now for me probably not I mean, I didn't go to him, but I'm just saying like he probably would not have known um, I don't know for a fact I have been well I do know for a fact when we met him at The um restaurant We had asked him that question. He said he did not know how many times wouldn't give us the answer

But we we said well, what about those because at this time now we have siblings that are not multiples We said what about Those how did you know and he said that he would put an asterisk in the chart? But then he also told us that there were no records and they were all destroyed I mean, he might have Yeah, I don't know that he would actually have but he could have but so

I just don't have any like I don't I don't have any I don't even I your speechless like what do you even It's been my life for seven years. I cannot imagine how you felt when you did this test I mean, and you just got hits on your DNA test like what is this, you know um kill you had said, um, you know, like what was his Motive and like, you know, why wouldn't he want to have something to do with him now? I think In my opinion just based off of what I've watched and what I've researched Um, I feel like that wasn't the motive. I feel like this was a sick Man who knew exactly what he was doing and probably never

Suspected, you know back in the 70s and 80s That there would be any type of technology that would be able to Catch him in doing this and it was his dirty Secret that he was able to hold on to for so long That's my opinion. Yeah, I guess. Yeah In the documentary he had four like four kids that he raised. Is that right? Yes What what is the rest of their position on this? So his son

You know So hard because he was he was really nice, but then My heart kind of broke when I I remember the day that he was Sentenced just for the obstruction of justice and when I saw him walking in with his whole family And you knew that's where his you know support lied Um, it was heartbreaking and I want to say I understand like I love my parents. Um, I love my children So even if they do something wrong, I'm not saying that you can't Be there for them, but

Because I have played this over in my mind like what if it was myself my husband? My boys I would like to think that I would have enough empathy or sympathy to Look at the victims and say like look I am so sorry And even his children he raised my half siblings And his why I feel like they're victims too. They are I absolutely agree with you. I think they are because He they didn't know

And so then I I struggle because I'm like, where does that stop? When they support him I mean, it's a struggle because there's no accountability and I think that You know, I think you can still have empathy and sympathy for Someone in decisions that they have made But when there's no accountability there, um, and at this point should be some form of public accountability Yeah, it's it's a little weird

At the end of the documentary it said that there were 94 siblings Um, have y'all found more siblings since it aired? So yeah, we're in the 90s. Um, I have I have received thousands of messages I'm sure you can relate I am not used to this so tell me how you do it Um But so I'm trying to filter through all of these messages But I have received a lot of messages like I think, you know, my parents went there. My mom or dad just told me

So I've been trying to respond to those to tell them, you know, you have to take 23 of me or an ancestry test I hope they're sponsoring you. Do you have sponsorships from either of them because you need no. Oh my god. Oh my god. Yeah We need to get you some sponsorships with them because um I literally I have no connection to Indiana and no family in there, but immediately went on my 23 and me and was like, am I related to them? like I bet we have more that after this documentary. Have you connected with all 94? um so

Let me see if there's Maybe three or four if not Now that doesn't mean that we all get along and we speak but like as far as like have I talked to them? Yes I've met most of them I'm close to I have a relationship with probably 10 to 20 probably more towards 20 and there's about I don't know five of them that We talk and text weekly

And a few we text every day. So I just got went on vacation a few months ago with a sister. So That's so like that part has that that part of it has to be really cool Like, you know, um, just like knowing that this is your sibling I'm not a huge fan of like saying half siblings, but I think in your situation You know, you guys are adults when you discovered this and so I understand that Um, and so that has to be kind of cool But when you say that not all of you guys get along do some of you guys just not get along? Oh, no, so I mean it stems from even the beginning

um Like when we first went to the local news she used private names. We didn't want to be public Um filed the attorney general complaint and it was supposed to be private and they leaked our names That point I chose to go public and They did not agree with that and um Oh, you're gonna just make me cry so much today. I'm sorry. Um, there were some pretty

mean hateful things said, um And I don't wish you know, I feel like everybody's trying to Get through this and we all have so many emotions So Yeah, I mean that's Bless your heart Thank you. And I mean, I still I still love them. I don't wish any of course and hopefully one day that can be resolved Yeah, I mean, I think it's really I mean I I also met a half sibling of mine in 2012

Um, and I was already an adult and so it's been really hard. Um, just adjusting so I can't imagine Have that happening to me 90 more times. I think it's it would be an emotional roller coaster on top of You know, some of some of your siblings didn't even know that their parents were not there You know, that wasn't their biological father. And so there's a lot of You know emotions at play and that will play a huge factor in this and so, um, I could understand why you know Tensions might be high or you know, some of them might be apprehensive to connect Um, and also it's really hard to connect to people as adults like when we're already kind of set in our ways And we have our lifestyles and so, um, you know, I could understand that I did let Jason

In to the chat. Hello, Jason How are you doing? How are you? Uh a bit rough, but I'm doing okay this morning I hear you We're on here talking about shitting and you know, they've got a lot of stuff just going on and I just wanted to say that um, back to what you guys were talking about a couple of minutes ago that

sometimes it takes a little bit of time for people to uh, catch up to speed with where you are mentally and emotionally and you know Time and processing might change some of it in the future Yeah Jason, do you want to I mean

That's the hope It's a long shot, but you know what we're Jacoba and I are gonna claw and find our way to get to that safe spot. So You know, there's not much we can do but just ride the Crazy ride you guys should be so proud of yourselves It doesn't feel like that, but a lot of people have been saying that Yeah, do um Do you do you guys live close? Do you two live close? No, so um, he actually lives in texas and I'm still here in indiana

Okay, so are a lot of the siblings still like within um a 25 mile radius or is everyone kind of spread out? Yeah, so most are close. Um There are still So many of us. There are still some that are in different states Okay, I mean because of you know jobs and kids and families and everything else um And just for anyone listening jason is also um one of the siblings Um of Jacoba. So I just wanted to clarify that. Um, I say brother from another mother

Literally Number number 48 Number four you guys all refer to each other as the numbers I mean, I have lately because that's what people I don't some of the he does I kind of I kind of joke with it a little bit, you know, try not to be so serious all the time Right. So what are the ages of like the age range of siblings like our Jacoba? I assumed you were the oldest, but is that not the case? No, so I was born in 80 Um, the oldest they were in 72. Okay. Okay

And the youngest so far 88 but Because of that people assumed like that was the cutoff. We don't know. He's never told like when he stopped We just know he retired in 2009 Which Lindsay and I were just talking about that before you guys came on and we cannot believe that he was in practice Yes, isn't that insane? Like we still have a whole decade. Hold on. Yes I can't I I literally can't um, will any of the siblings pursue like a civil suit? I don't I think it's past the statute of limitations. I think it's two years, right Jacoba

Well, for me, I Well, I'm gonna we actually were contacted Well yesterday spoke to a representative Michael is of laws and um Had a representative reach out about getting a federal law Okay, I just uh, that's my main goal is I never want this to happen to anybody else

And if it does I want Them to have protection. Well, we saw in the documentary at the end It said like 40 other doctors have been found to have done the same thing So there's actually, um a little over 60. Wow No, no, um a good friend of mine That's how we met. She's from Texas and uh, we worked together and yeah, there's wild So you You work with fertility fraud legislation legislation legislation

Yeah with eve wiley and um, jody madera She's a law professor Okay at IU So Indiana University, I guess I should say that since I saw you Um, so far there's nine laws. Everybody knows hopefully we get more Do what jason? I said not everybody knows what IU is I know I know

I changed it we got um, so nine states And hopefully more and hopefully You know the federal that's so wild. I I literally cannot wrap my head around this still I think we're still trying to in here Sometimes it's like at nightmare Yeah um So overall what would justice look like to you guys?

Because I don't feel like he got justice with the two felonies. Um, obviously that wasn't enough It wasn't nearly enough. So what what in a perfect world? What would it look like to you? Jason you want to go first? I think we have a different maybe I don't think i'm allowed to say this I don't know if i'm not even allowed to say it on podcast. Um I I just want him to suffer and I first off. I just want him to Tell us why was it?

Because he ran over that little girl and killed her and he needed to bring life back or was it a god complex? Or did he just want to be the best like I just want to know Why like if you already caught you know plain and simple you already caught you already outed Dude, just just give up the you know just give us what we want and we'll be off like he he could have probably Had this whole thing let go if he would have just stopped in the beginning and just told jacobo what you know What she wanted to know she would have dropped it. She wouldn't have kept going on but the fact that he he didn't is just That's why I say

Oh, I'm sorry. Go ahead. No. No. No. I was just going to say that's all you guys could really do is get answers Like that's the very bare minimum that he could have done for you guys I just Mm-hmm. And that's why I say that's why I say in the trailer that he's doing something sinister He's doing something more, you know, it's I feel like that we haven't uncovered it and I hope to god that this That this this documentary gets released and that one person that knows something That just comes forward because I feel like that he's done a lot worse than what he's just what he's been caught right

for me justice Would knowing knowing the truth and For the state of indiana to recognize us I feel like they felt us Um, they did I do have to say um you know, I had a text from a sister earlier and Which it just blows my mind because what I don't think justice is is I guess uh his some of his grandchildren have not been able to go to school for a week and have been bullied

and I guess they are like protesting at their house and I don't condone that right. I mean obviously kids are not out here Yes, they should not pay for the sins of their grandfather so It just I want the state to recognize it And you know for us to get laws protect other people and just the truth I want I just I want to know why he is so so protected by the community. I mean why Is anyone helping him? I feel like he should be obligated to give you guys at the very least

medical history information, you know just anything Because you guys this is out of your control. You couldn't have asked for this. You didn't ask for this So what if it wasn't sinister? And if it isn't sinister, why not give the answers because like jason said, I mean it has to be something more Otherwise you would come clean. I mean every all the information is already out there. There's an entire documentary So at this point, you know Give the information and be done, you know

Like for someone that's so holy and christian. Why are you not trying to Get some forgiveness put it all out there try to Make a mend. I don't know but it doesn't seem like he cares enough to do that, which is so weird to me. I I agree I agree I don't get it. I really don't I and the fact that his own daughter is practicing objy in daughter in law Daughter in law daughter in law daughter in law is a practicing objy. Yeah, but you know, we we we went up there to indiana to do a little bit of filming and we We rented a house right to do a little bit of filming and and we walked in and the first

magazine on the table was donacline a practicing objy in like Plastered and I just was like, are you kidding me? This is just It's everywhere. I mean I don't know It's sick me. It is sick me. I feel Horrible that you guys have to kind of figure out how to put the pieces together yourselves because this is not You know, that's he he owes you guys so much. He's

You may not have known it, but he's taken so much from you and you know just by not giving you information and Kind of being transparent at this point. So I'm really sorry Well, I call it like I call it the trickle-down effect. Um, You know first it was our parents our mothers now us you know Making sure that no one dates or marries a sibling and then it just keeps trickling down We're a cousin at this point the kids because now I mean with 94 siblings Yes, how many how many children do you guys have between you guys? So now you want now you have to worry about the kids

Dating each other. Yes. And so like mine and some other siblings, you know, mine are 23 and 25 years old and they're married not to somebody related to them, but if they were single We don't even know how long he did this. So it could not even just be a sibling or a cousin, but it could be An aunt, you know an uncle for some of my so I feel like it's a health crisis. It is it absolutely. I mean 94, you know It's a lot of people Yes, and I'm sure we're going to have more

Oh, yeah, I mean the trailer dropped and we had four more. I think three more like confirmed Oh, yeah, you're kidding. Well, we have the day that the trailer dropped one And then we've had the ones that have said in their testing. Yeah Yeah When you log into 23 and me what like what does it look like for your sibling? Like are all of their names just like listed Um names and initials and you just you have to keep scrolling and scrolling So did your kids also do 23 and me and jason, do you have kids? No, no this kind of I have mixed the kids. It's kind of messed up

Understandable, so no my kids didn't but I want their family did my my daughter-in-law's And trust me we looked We're like let me just double check to make sure Oh my gosh, you guys Um, well, I'm here if you guys ever need anything. Thank you for coming on the podcast and talking more about this um Would love to have you guys on again and um, you know, I wish you guys the best of luck I hope that they're you know on one hand. I want you guys to have all the answers

But on the other hand, I hope there are no more siblings for you guys. Yeah, me too because it's emotional I'm sure every time you get a new hit on 23 and me you're like Here we go again. Thank you so much. Thank you. Thank you jason. Appreciate it. Thank you. See you Yeah All this month stream the funniest films for free on Pluto TV watch comedy classics like anchorman the legend of rom burgundy and mean girls or drop in for a Tyler Perry marathon with a medea family funeral and medea's witness protection Pluto tv also has hundreds of channels and thousands of movies and tv shows like get shorty be cool key and peel

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