Coffee Convos with Kail Lowry and Lindsie Chrisley - A Gang of Hooligans Who Make it Happen

Episode Date: February 5, 2026

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I feel very attacked by you. A spirited discussion about motherhood, friendship, family, and life in the public eye. I'm just not with the fakery anymore. There's a fakery bakery bakery around here. Here's Kail and Lindsay. Good morning and welcome back to another episode of Coffee Convo's podcast. This week, I have Alessandra joining me from Vibin and Killer Network back end. Killer Network, every time somebody asks on set what my job is, Kail's like, I don't know.

And same. I don't really know. Had a production, I guess. Alessandra actually inherited a lot of jobs over the past couple of weeks. So I love that for you. Sure, did. It's good, though. We're just, we're, it's been a chaotic start to, 2026 to say the least. Listen, my plan starting 2026 was to like roll into the year very peacefully with my trip to Mexico. Remember this? Oh yeah. And I was like, okay, I'm going to take time off from December 17th until January 7th. My world imploded. And I am now still picking up the pieces. I have this very toxic trait that when my life feels very chaotic, everything has to be clean. I've talked about this a lot.

Yeah. And when I tell you, I've had help in my house for probably the past three weeks, excessively cleaning things that, like, for example, tile. Well, I'll never forget when I found out you mop your garage. floor. Wait, you found that out. How? You told me on Southern Tea last year when we were recording that you mop your garage floor and I will never forget that. I just feel like it needs to be like fresh. You know what I mean? I mean, it makes sense. But I only don't know anybody else who does that. Okay, so I had people in my house helping me and I absolutely love my new cleaners. So I was telling somebody, I can't remember between the Southern tea and here. Everything's running together at this point. But I was telling somebody that

I just, I don't know what it is, but I needed to do like an overhaul on my life. When shit went south three weeks ago, I was like, okay, nope, this is happening. Like, that, changing and truly it's probably mental disorder when you cause more chaos in your life when chaos already exist. I think it's more of a control thing. Like you're trying to control what you can and trying to put in order what you can put in order when everything else isn't in order, which makes sense. And like, it could be worse, right? Like, at least you're just cleaning your house. Well, so I got new cleaners and they came on Friday, but trying to get into like a catering and like a rhythm of having like a specific cleaning day.

So I used to love my cleaning days to be Fridays. Okay. I love that. To like start the weekend. Yeah, I like that. And then obviously every other weekend, Jackson's with me, which means that David has his daughter and she's with him. Right.

So the kids are in and out of the house, tearing up and whatever. Fridays no longer work because it's basically cleaning to just mess up to need to be reclaimed on Monday. So my cleaning days to Monday. Well, trying to get into this cadence and rhythm, everything was just like a shit show and I needed some organizing done. And I do not work well, unsupervised, with no help. Yeah. I work really well. And nobody really has to necessarily be helping me. It's just like the existence of someone else being there. It's the body doubling, because you have ADHD too, right? Yeah. So we really like to body double. Like, I notice when you call me, you're always doing something.

So, like, you need to. My mom is like that. I'm like that too. My mom will call me on a weekend and we'll both immediately get up and start doing our laundry because she also is ADHD. Body doubling is so helpful for people with ADHD. Like, it helps motivate them. But, like, I wonder why.

Is it just the thoughts of, like, somebody else doing stuff that they don't want to be doing also? Probably because, like, ADHD is just a lack of dopamine. And stuff like cleaning has, does not give me. personally, any dopamine. And so things that don't already create dopamine, we have to have something that will in order to motivate us to do it. So like, that's like gamifying. Like Billy also has ADHD, which God bless our household. God bless our future children because they're going to have a time. But like he has to gamify things. Like if I'm like, oh, you see how fast you can do

something like in terms of cleaning, that helps him a lot. Like I have to body double for some reason. And that helps me, like just whatever dopamine fix works for you to get you to do these things. That suck. That is so true, though. I never really realized it until you said you're always doing something whenever we're talking on the phone. Yeah. And I do that like with my mom.

I do it with my grandmother. I do it with David. I do it with you. I do it with Kayla. Yeah. And it just makes me feel like not alone while I'm doing it. And so I'm, it's almost like I'm focused on the conversation, but I'm also like, productively getting something done.

Yep. So they come on Friday and everything is like spick and span spotless, right? And then they come back on Monday trying to get like on this regular routine. And everything's still pretty much clean. But please tell me why I'm getting out toothbrushes to like clean pile. It's not normal. No, it's the same with the Pilates. Girl, girl.

Like this girl was trying to go in two Pilates during. an ice storm. Yes. And if I would have had to drive, if that studio was open and I had to drive 10 miles per hour or even five to get there, no, it would have taken me probably an hour and a half to get there. Oh yeah. Oh yeah. But it's totally worth it. Actually, I took David to a Pilates class. Oh, God. How do you do? Number one, he was the only man that was in there. Number two, he told me last night, he was like, my legs still hurt from that from Sunday. because Pilates just looks like a little like la la la oh no you're working muscles you didn't even know existed on your body that's why these Pilates girlies are toned because the muscle it's the small

muscle movements what is it called the 100s those odd movements dude you're moving muscles and you're at legs your torso your core everything's core related in Pilates and I feel like men don't have a core they don't have any balance or flexibility or core strength at all it's so funny to see a man in there. But then David told me he was like, I was watching this one reel the other day. And it was like red flags. And he said, you had three of them. And I said, oh, I'm surprised it only had three.

But what were they? And he was like, well, the only one that like really stuck out to me was if you're dating somebody that does Pilates run. The Pilates really. Well, it's the same thing. I think it's like the routine. But like moms especially, like they mean stuff that's just. them. And I think so much of like what we experience in life is so far out of our control that

it just makes sense to me that you need something that you can like look forward to that's structured. I deal very, very well with structure. Actually this week, my, I mean, entire January was just a shit show. But then of course, like Will goes and decides that he's going to double up on a work trip and make it a golf trip. Goes to Florida. I think. I think he's in Tampa. And he's like, by the way, you have the dogs this week and Jackson. Really? And I'm like, wait.

So yesterday I was trying to like reschedule a bunch of stuff that I had going on because I have to leave my house at four o'clock to go and pick him up off the bus. Yeah. And so anything that happens after that is just not happening. Yeah. Yeah. And when I tell you, okay, moms will definitely relate to this and you need to prepare for this. okay you're going to work your days and then when your kids get out of school they are going to work you oh yeah oh i can imagine that's why honestly i stopped nannying when i was 30 because i got telling myself

if i plan to have kids anytime soon i can't do this like i am burnt out from taking care of other people's kids i have so much respect for people who work with children and then go home and take care of their own children i don't i couldn't do it I could not do it. I absolutely could not do that. And I mean, I do love kids in general, but I love other people to take care of their kids and, like, me not be doing it. I don't need that job.

And I would be like a really good aunt. Like, oh, I love being the aunt. Being the aunt is the best rule ever. Give them to me. And then I get to give them back. Yeah. And I struggle with that because I'm turning 35. actually, what's today the third?

Two months from yesterday, I'll turn 35. I turn 35 in April. And I go back and forth. Like, I really want kids. And I think we've talked about it. Like, I'll probably just be one and done, which I'm totally fine with. But I am like, I really like my life. Like, it's fulfilling.

I can go and hang out. My best friend lives literally seven minutes down the road. She's three kids all under four. So baby from like just had a baby six months ago to a three-year-old. Do you know what I? I mean. So I have it all. Then I get to come home and my house is silent. Like it's dead, silent. Where and I put things away? They stay there most of the time because I do live with a man. Unfortunately, like a man is always going to ruin the aesthetic. They just are. It's what they do.

They don't know. I thought that on the phone the other day about like there is something so peaceful. If you have ever gone through a period of time where you've lived by yourself in singleness, just having your stuff in such an organized and clean fashion, it's really hard to then be with somebody and then be in your space. I actually saw this thing that it was a quote from Kim Kardashian and she was talking about like you get really selfish in your singleness and it makes it really hard to even want to like share your shows or your bed with somebody. Oh, and I like I struggle with that too, even in my relationship, especially like at the end of the day when I'm so tired and I've worked all day and he's worked all day. But like my relaxation shouldn't just be like his relaxation

should be a priority too. Do you know what I mean? But like for Billy and I are really different. Like our hobbies and the things we both enjoy are really different. He likes like funny stupid shows. I want to cry at a book. Do you know what I mean? Like so we decompressed really differently. So I've just gotten fine with him doing it on this side of the couch and me doing it on that side of the couch and doing it separately. But yeah, the aesthetic, the organization, they can try as much as they want, but it's just never going to be as clean and organized as it could be with somebody else living in your house. That goes for roommates too. Oh, God. I could, I could not do the roommate thing. Like, did you ever live with a roommate? I mean, I guess the closest thing to living with a roommate would

have been when I moved in with Will and his brother also lived there. But I think it was just a completely different time of my life, right? Like, I was 18 years old. No, 19 years old. 19 years old. His brother had like a big boy grown job. And so he was out of the house, like working those long hours, whatever. I was going to school and then the baseball field to watch we'll play baseball. So we weren't all there all the time. Yeah, it wasn't like a clean. And we would do like family dinners and stuff together. And I pretty much was the cleaner and did all of the things. Yeah. Looking back on it now, though, me at 36, like who I am now, I could never do that. Like if I was dating somebody and they were like roommates with their brother and it's like,

hey, move in. Absolutely not. No. Like if we talked about the other day, if I was single now at my age, it would be really difficult for me to date. Just like you said, it would be really difficult to allow somebody into my space, into my routine, into my heart, into my mind, like all of those things. Because as you go older, I was just talking to Kayla about this the other day. Like, I told her, I really hope that I can be an example to you of being excited to turn 30 because I cried. I lost my fucking mind when I turned 30. I thought my life was fucking crisis. Oh, yeah, Lindsay. Like, I lost it. I thought my life was over. I was like, oh, my God.

Like, I'm so late. I don't know what I'm doing. Like, I don't know. On my 30th birthday was the last day I left manning. And nanny was a career for me. I did it for 12 years. I had certifications. I was a career full-time nanny.

And I left. The last day was on my 30th birthday. And then I started working in this side of things. And I was like, what the fuck am I doing? Like, you're living a six-figure, 12-year career to start over at 30. You don't own a home. You don't. Like, I was freaking out. And now I love it.

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chiropractor and get a full blown back scan and I need him to blow my back the fuck out. Sam, Sam, I need like a Swedish massage right now. Like I need to be tracked. I need to be cupped. I need to do acupuncture. Oh, I love acupuncture. Okay. Do you carry stress in your shoulders?

that's where all of my stress is is here and then I get tension headaches at the end of every fucking night because I'm like this all day and I have TMJ. Oh, have you tried Botox for it? I'm going to try masseter Botox because I've heard people have really good results, but I really, like that's where I hold all my tension is like in my jaw and my shoulders. Listen, the shoulder tension is absolutely the worst thing ever. I wish I could find like a place that gave really good massages. I just haven't. I have this one place, but it's kind of janky. You know what I mean? Like, you walk in and you don't know if it's an actual rub and tug and you're not participating or if it's just like real low rent. You know what I mean?

Yes, I do. Like you, my favorite masseuse is just like a normal masseuse parlor, but they're just really good. But it took a while for us to find the one we like. Like we've lived in this surrounding area for, seven, eight years now I've lived in this area. And it took me a long time to find like the right masseuse. Wait, are you partial to a female masseuse? No, my masseuse is a man because I need those hands like, I need you to like fuck me up. Like get all the way up in there. Like my knots. Like do you have a sarah gun? Okay. Yeah. And I was telling somebody and I don't know who I was telling, but David was rubbing that thing like on my back probably four or so weeks ago. And because of my shirt, it left like trail marks on it. So I haven't been able to use it for like two weeks because I was letting the stuff like scab over and flake off. But that is like a good alternative, but it's not

the same. It doesn't do enough. And like Billy when he's doing it to me, like he can feel the knots. Like the gun will slip as soon as he gets the knot. And I'm like, you need a date. And I'm like, you need to dig in there, but it's just, it's not enough. It's like just not enough. I need like a deep pressure massage. So I actually will probably do that this weekend because I'm going to Delaware tomorrow morning at the ass crack of dawn. Well, I'm probably going to see you. Wait, am I going to see you in Delaware at the end of February? Wait, we're in February. We're in February. I don't know. Nobody's talked to me, but probably. That's what I'm thinking. We, um, Kail and I just had a meeting and like so many things are shifting in life.

Yeah. Good, but it's stressful. Like the text that I sent her a little bit ago, I'm going to read it to you because you will so relate to this. I said, I'm equally excited and stressed about life. Yeah, because like change is good. Like, I do like change, but it's a lot for my neurodivergent mind to wrap my head around. And then I get a little like blustered. I like change.

I like things to be different because that helps me give like dopamine and not do the same thing every day because honestly I really couldn't. I don't think that my days, I don't want my days to look the same every single day. But a lot of things just came at us really fast. Like we didn't have time to prep. And I feel like that's what happened to me last year too. And I crash out. I was been chasing my tail and I'm tired. And I really hope that by I'm going to give us till June, which I hope it doesn't take this.

Yeah. Why are you doing that? Like, why are you saying that to me? I'm saying it to me. Like, I need to be realistic with myself because, like, I think that if I stay up every single night until 2 a.m. and I work really hard for, like, two weeks, everything will be fine. That's not the truth. And that's a really slippery slope for me to go. So I just want to be realistic with just myself and my expectations in the sense of, like, we have these really big goals, but there are small steps that we have to master. to achieve them. And I worry that if we try to do everything all at one time, that there's going to be things that aren't perfected along the way and they'll fall to the wayside. It's kind of like New Year's resolutions. When you start going to the gym in the beginning of January and you start eating clean and healthy at only last three weeks because you're doing too much at one time. Do you know what I mean? I totally relate to that. I definitely made a statement today on a meeting and I said, ideally, I needed this fixed a year ago. Realistically, I know that it's still not fixed and it's not going to be fixed for some time,

but like we need to slowly like start working towards where we're going and what we're doing. And it's just a rhythm, which is really difficult because there's a lot of moving parts. But I do think it's so relatable for what you just said to people, you know, if you're staying up until 2 a.m., like burning the what do they call it, like midnight oil? Yeah. Like if you're doing that and then you're not properly resting, you're not giving your full self to your job on the next day. So really, you're doing a disservice to yourself. And when the world came crashing down and when I say the world, I mean our world, when that came crashing down, I'm just like, oh, I need to be on my email 24-7 and I need to be responsive to all of these texts and like who are in these groups and like

what are we doing? I finally am at a place after what like three weeks that it's like I can only get to so many emails in a day and only deal with so much of what's going on and I also have a custody situation. There's lots of things that are going on in my personal life as well and I need to tend to all of those things, but also tend to myself. And I have to remember that, like, we all have the same 24 hours in a day. And you have to choose what you're doing with those 24 hours wisely and not burn yourself out. Well, yeah, because it's also important to pour back into yourself. Like, I was texting with Rebecca, who is Kales assistant this morning in a group with her.

And we, like, couldn't, we misunderstood each other. And she goes, oh, I was going to say it's too early for you, Alessandra, because it's 830 because everybody's used to me not answering my phone until 9. and I have very strict D&D boundaries. You know that. I, like, will not get off my, it's a setting. Like, so I don't even have notifications don't even come through at all. And the numbers don't accumulate.

So I don't even know if somebody called or texted me until the DND goes off. Because that's the best thing for me. Like, because if I still see the notifications and I'm on D&D, I'm going on and fucking using my phone. So I was like, oh, I get up every day between 630 and like 7.30. And she's like, why? Like, you don't have kids. She's like, you don't have to get up. you don't have to take anybody to school.

If I don't give myself that time in the morning, I have no mean time. And I need that time to be a human and have like to not feel like my entire life is dedicated to my job. Because we have jobs that are not only stressful because it's funny. I always say like this is, it's just social media. It's just social media. Like I remind myself in my head all the time. Like we're not doing brain surgery. But like I just said, there's a lot of moving parts.

and there's always something to be done. Like I could work 24 hours a day if I wanted to. So I have to implement that structure. I have to be honest with what my boundaries are delegation, like what my expectations are managing expectations. And I also really just need to pour into myself more. I really want to start cooking again. I used to cook all meals because I was vegan for four years.

I remember when you were doing that. And you used to post about like your meals and stuff on Instagram. Instagram. Yep. And I love cooking, but because I'm so busy, I wasn't prioritizing it, but like they are right when they say you prioritize what you want. Like, if I really want to, I have to wake up early and I have to structure out my time. And I have to take time on my Sunday to meal plan and do my grocery shopping and my list, even though I just want to read or I just want to sit on my ass because my week is so overstimulating. But you have to like put in the effort. And I think that we will find that rhythm. I think everybody can relate to this, especially

in the beginning of the year. Like, I always say my year does not start at least to like March. Because January and February are like the first pancake. Like we're testing it out. So I think the Chinese New Year is February 17th. And last year was the year of the snake. This year was. That was shady. was the year of the snake. This year is the year of the horse. And I encourage everyone to read about like what last year was and what this year is supposed to be. And so I'm giving myself grace to get to February the 17th, which is not far away. No, it's not. to try to like mentally reset because right now I feel like I'm just chasing my ass this morning. Laisiest bitch ever. Okay. I get up this morning, get Jackson ready for school.

And by the way, he doesn't start school until 9 a.m. So that was an adjustment when he started middle school because he used to be late after 732 or 735. Yeah, nine is late for school to start. And 9's late. So I kind of had to like readjust my whole morning schedule on the days that I have him. But then of course this week I have him on days that I normally don't. And so he came downstairs and saw his lunchbox. And he was like, Mom, where's my lunch?

And I said, oh, oh, you're getting Chick-fil-A for breakfast and a Chick-fil-A meal going in your lunchbox. Yep. I'm sure he was glad about it. Because I do not have time for this shit. If you think I'm going to sit down. and make a homemade uncrustable right now, that is absolutely not, not what is happening. It's so funny that you were saying about waking or Rebecca saying that like you're not an early person because Kail sent me just yesterday, this thing from my therapist says, and it says

when someone tries to talk to me before my morning coffee. And the caption is, do not perceive me yet. And she said, this is you. Yeah. Literally. I need at least, I mean, I wish a business day for nobody. Yeah, no, seriously. But any person, and I'm saying this to people who are possibly like dating or, you know,

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That's why I started drinking coffee at 13 years old. Because my mom had to start getting something to help me in the morning because I was a bitch. Like I was, I'm bad. I'm not nice in the morning. Like on these content trips, I wake up at 6 a.m. So that I can have time to myself before I'm overstimulated for the whole day or else by the end of those trips, I want to kill myself. Because I'm so overstimulated. I don't want to tell the whole context.

of the story that I'm about to tell. But I have seen Alessandra in a distraught morning state where she did not have enough time from the time that she woke up to the time that she was dealing with a problem. And the look on her face, I thought you were going to kill me or I possibly was going to kill you. Both. Oh, my God. Yeah, literally, like, woke up, titty's running around, no bra on, like, just fresh eyes. bed. And I'm like, what is going on? Why is this happening? Something needs to deal with it. And

Alessandra's titty just flap it. She's like, what's happening and why is this going on this early in the morning? Like, full last morning breath. Like just woke up, you know? Like, we need hidden cameras in the Airbnb's where we go for people to actually see the absolute chaos that transpires. Because I truly don't think that anybody would believe it and they would think that we were lying. Yeah, like, I'm really curious. I want to know what people think it's like when we're all together. Like, is people's perception of this, like, gang of hooligans that we have our shit together or do they know we're gang of hooligans?

You know what I mean? I think it's probably like a 50-50 split. I think they think that we're a gang of hooligans who can probably like make it happen, but we're still a gang of hooligans. Which that's true. We are a gang of who against who clearly make it happen. I mean, we're pumping out all these shows every single week. We're doing the damn thing.

But do we know what's going on 90% of the time? Probably not. Like, I never know what's going on, I feel like, but it is what it is. We're doing it. Like, I'll get a text sometimes and it's like, hey, do you remember that you talk about this this week? And I'm like, what are you talking about? Like, no, I don't. Uh-huh.

I've recorded like nine hours this week. No, I do not. And the episodes are interesting. Because as soon as I'm done and I hit stop, I don't remember a thing I just fucking said. Wait, really? Yeah, at all. Like, you could be like, what did you just talk about? No idea.

Like, I just talked for a full hour and 20 minutes and no idea what just came out of my mouth. No clue. Because I could talk to a wall. Like, genuinely, I'm in the right field. Like, if my kindergarten teacher could see me now, she'd be like, that is so good for her. Because I would get in trouble all the time for yapping. wait that meme where it's like and I know that you've seen it it's like for the people who got in trouble for talking in school what are you doing now for a career yeah and I sent that to

kail and I said talking for a living talking for a living and helping other people talk for a living that's what I do oh my god wait I really want to like petition the coffee convos community to start messaging Kail and she won't know about this because she won't probably listen. Yeah, she won't. Start messaging Kail and tell her that you want to set up a Matt Pilates class, like a collective kitty gang. Yeah. Matt Pilates because the way that I want to see several people who work with us,

including Kail Lowry, do Pilates, would make my life, like truly my year. Oh, yeah, Matt Pilates for sure, because that, reformer, I think, I don't know if she'd make it home. I don't know. I would make it home from a reformer class, honestly. Wait, seriously? Because it's too much moving parts. Like, I'm afraid I'm going to fall off that thing. Wait, I have to tell you something that I saw on People magazine. And it kind of relates to us, like, shit talking men right now, which, sorry, Ryan, if you're listening to this.

We're never talking about you, Ryan. We love you. Doesn't apply to you, but it says, woman learns that she's allergic to her husband after years of trying to get pregnant. Oh, to his sperm. It says she never expected that two years into her marriage, the biggest challenge she and her husband would face would be biological. But while trying to conceive, she discovered her body was reacting to her husband Paul's DNA in a way that prevented pregnancy. The couple married in 2003 began trying for a baby believing that it would happen quickly and easily. and then when a year passed without success, they turned to medical testing that initially revealed no clear answers. Doctors found nothing medically wrong with either of them, and they

were ultimately told that they were dealing with unexplained infertility. Hoping to move forward, Alex and Paul decided to pursue IVF, but the first round was unsuccessful. As they prepared for another attempt, Alex felt something that just did not add up. She said, I just had to put the breaks on. She said that both of their bodies seem to be functioning normally. Searching for answers, the couples ordered an at-home blood test and in their samples for analysis. The results revealed genetic predisposition that made Alex immunologically. Immunologically. Immunologically, incompatible with his DNA. I didn't even know that was a thing. Have you ever heard of such? No, like I know that they just did research last year and studies show that the placenta is formed by a majority of male DNA.

Like, if you're warning sickness, like the quality of your pregnancy comes down to the quality of your partner's sperm, which. Really? Yeah. Yeah. I have a little bit of placenta. They just did the studies like the research just showed last year, which is really, truly crazy. So that's why also Billy and I, I've been telling. him like I am on a glp1. I talk about this all the time on bibin and I have PCOS so I'm on the process

of like managing my hormones. I said if I'm putting my body through hell and you're not doing shit to prep your body to give me the quality sperm as possible when we start having kids like we're going to have a problem like not only do I have to sacrifice my body for a year and I have to do all of these things prior to trying to get pregnant like you got to you got to do you know. I think it's so common for men to not think about it. Like I can tell you whenever I was, you know, starting the process of getting pregnant and I've talked about this pretty openly that we got married in January and I was four and a half weeks pregnant by May on my birthday. So got pregnant very quickly. But I was doing all of the

things that I felt like I needed to do leading up to that thinking because I was hanging out with one of my best college girlfriends who told me that it took her some time to get so her advice to me was like if you want a baby within like the next year, year and a half, go ahead and start because, you know, don't set yourself up for failure thinking that it's just going to happen on the first try. That's not common for everybody. Yeah. And so I think it was like two months or something and then I got the positive pregnancy test. I don't think that men think about like, how much their stuff affects the pregnancy. They don't.

And they really didn't have the research to their, to their defense, even though people think I never defend men. They really didn't know that it created that much of a problem for women. But like, I think it's common sense. You know what I mean? I also think it's like a solidarity thing, right? Like I talk about very openly on Vibin and just in general that I am a cannabis user and it's legal in my state.

So, and so is Billy. I said when I'm pregnant, and listen, some people smoke when they use cannabis while they're pregnant. I'm not here to tell anybody what they're to do. I personally never will. I'm too anxiety-ridden. I, if anything were to be wrong with my baby at all, I would blame myself. And I'm not saying that would be the reason I'm not judging anybody, but I know myself and I know that it just wouldn't work for me. So I will not use cannabis while I'm pregnant at all.

I told Billy, I don't want him either. And people are going to have like varying opinions of that. But I think it's solidarity. Like if I have to not do something in general and also sacrifice my body on top of birthing your bigheaded baby and breastfeeding and taking care of them and being the default parent for minimum two years because let's all be real. That's what it is. Then the least you could do is stop smoking for nine months, you know?

Listen, that's so interesting that you bring that up because I have had so many girlfriends just over the years, different life phases, you know, not all in the same track, but all have children now. And I have gotten some rogue-ass text messages from girlfriends talking about how they feel so offended that their husband is now going to the gym and whatever while they're sitting at home pregnant and like do not like it and want them to gain the weight while they're gain. I get that too. I do get that because it's like, dude, I'm sacrificing my body for you. and like you're out here getting fit now for what for who for who it's like when they get a haircut

and they're out here thawting and bopping and run an errand suddenly where you go with wait what i've you ever heard that like when men get a haircut suddenly that's when they like want to run their errands and they're like looking good and they're feeling themselves and they're like get right home because a haircut for a man a haircut and a beard trim can change a man like how they love have you ever seen Have you ever seen some of the photos on social media where it's like make sure you see a man like without his beard before you commit to him? Yes. And I did not do that. And I will say people should do that.

And it's not that Billy's ugly. It's that he looks like he is an infant. Like I one day, I came home from working 11 hours. I was a nanny at the time. And I was working with two infants. So it was just, you know, a lot. I come home, I walk in completely shaved. I go, why the fuck would you do that to me?

Why would you do that to me? And he's like, it's my face. I'm like, the changes. Any warning on top of you're going to try and kiss me with that scruff and stubble. He cannot shave past a certain like link. It has to always be a certain link. That has to be long enough that it doesn't hurt me because I get like broken out. I have really sensitive skin.

It hurts me. me. I'm like, get away from, I had, I was like, who was a stranger in my fucking house? I didn't know like it. Okay, maybe it's a toxic trait. And obviously, several of my situations have not worked out. But if you do not have facial hair, yeah, don't come my way. Because I immediately don't trust you. If you look and no offense to anybody who has like this career, but it's just something that I've always heard like in my life growing up, if you look like a a car salesman. And I'm talking like, let's take it back to Matilda, like her dad. Yeah, like the stereotypical, like, slimy, like what they used to depict as like a car sale.

But yeah. Yes. Like that's what I'm thinking of. If you are fresh shaven and you are using after shave and you start walking my way, immediately don't. So turn around. Like I love a good, now I don't like it looking like all raggedy. No, we're not talking Duck Dynasty. No, we're not talking that. I'm talking like a good length, facial hair, like kept clean. Yes, agreed.

And clean. Like, Billy has a routine. Bomb, oil. Oh, wow. Yeah, because I made him. He did not come to me like that, okay? Because I'm like, dude, that's on your face. Like you're sweating.

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Immediately you're getting an eviction notice. Like, do you not have working eyeballs? That's, I genuinely ask Bailey that question often because it's concerning. like some of the things that he claims he doesn't see, right? Like, oh, I didn't see that there. What do you mean you didn't see it? Like, how did you not see all these whiskers all over my sink? So we have two sinks and then we also have separate drawers.

So I don't know what going on in his drawers. Thank God. I know what's going on in my drawers. I don't look. But the shaving all over the place, I can't. And it like gets everywhere. It does. It gets everywhere.

It's like in the green. route in the floor in the bathroom. My towels. Oh my God. It's everywhere. And it's just like, can you just have some kuth? Like, no. Who raised you to be like that? And to your point, like, I know your eyeballs saw that. But like every time I say like, did you not see that? He literally says no. And I'm like, are you lying or did you really not see it? It's like when you watch them, like go look in the pantry or in the fridge. And he's like, it's not in there. And I know for a fact because I'm visualizing exactly where the thing is in my fridge. I know exactly where it is. And I'm always like, if I get up and I find it on the first look, I'm going to be so mad, use your eyes.

Look, oh, there it is. I'm hitting you. Man thing. I'm hitting you with it. If I find it and you knew I directed you to exactly where it was, you're getting hit with it. It could be a mozzarella stick for all I care. I'm over it. I'm not doing it anymore. I'm not doing it anymore. I'm not doing it anymore. I'm not doing it anymore. That's what I suggest for every woman. I'm just not doing it anymore. If I tell him to do something and he asks me a question, I'm like, figure it out. I'm not doing it anymore. I'm tired.

Wait, speaking of relationships, I know that it has been brought to my attention that there have been wild thoughts on what's going on in my personal life on various different apps and websites. No one knows what's going on in my personal life. Yep. I cannot speak about it right now. There would be legal implications for me doing that. Yeah.

And when I can speak about it, I fully plan to. I just need to protect myself in my peace through the process of what is going on. And when there is clarity in that sense. situation, then I will address all of those things. However, everything's fine in Chris Lee, Lansman, Campbellland. Yeah. Everything's fine. Everything's fine. I think my, a lot of the times I often wonder like, what it, we went, I went through this on like the Kiel end last year, right? Where it's like, do you decide to not talk about. something until you've fully gone through the process, you've healed, you've processed, you've processed

through it, and then you talk about it. And then people know that something's going on because y'all can't have anything private. Even if you don't talk about it, somehow, some way, it comes out, right? So then they're constantly accusing you of lying or not talking about something. So then you choose to be forthcoming and as transparent as possible with what's going on in real time as you're working to figure it out. And then you get shit on for that too. So it's just complicated. It's like, what would you like then? Because we've tried it on the back end so many different ways. And honestly, the real answer is, is you can't make everybody happy. And at the end of the day, these are two human beings that are figuring out how to create a life together. And however that looks is

none of anybody's business. And I think that people need to be respectful about what you share and also understand that you're processing it in real time. And that's what people are watching and that's difficult. You got to give you grace, you know. There are also, I'm sorry, I am going to pause for a second because I told you, you were well aware that I got COVID and then I got like, thought it was upper respiratory something, come to find out, flu, and have been navigating that all weekend. So I still have like all the drainage and like congestion going on and it just makes you feel

so gross. You know what I mean? Like it's just it's like nasty. But back to what you were saying, like I completely agree with you and we're never going to make every single person happy. There are reasons that stuff is done. There's nothing that is ever done like on a whim or like without thought behind something. And I also want to be mindful and I want everybody else to be mindful that there are other parents that are involved in the situation and legal implications for certain things. And I promise when I have the go ahead and I've told every single person that is involved in a situation, when I have the go ahead, I'm not going to be a gatekeeper. Yeah.

That's the thing is that in the end, when things are said and done, you all do always get the full story. it might not be on the timeline that you guys are expecting, which I always struggle with. Like, I'm a nosy bitch. It's like when people go on Facebook and they're like, prayers, please, and they don't tell you why. Or you know that person who's been married since high school and they finally got a divorce that you've been waiting for and they talk about it all until that point and you want to know what's going on. But I also understand that it's none of my fucking business at the end of the day. And to like push and poke and fraud people is where it's an issue.

issue. You can be naturally organically curious. You can be respectful and curious. Because you guys do talk about your lives, it's obvious that people are going to have their opinions, right? That's, that is the cons of this situation is that when you put yourself out there, you are opening yourself up to other people being able to discuss your life. And that is not an easy thing. And that's why this job is not for everybody. It really isn't. You have to have an incredibly tough skin. But you guys always get the answers. You really do. I know. Because I know. I know. what's going on and I'm most of the time producing it. So like you always get the answers. You do. It's just not always in the timeline that you want. Well, and I think that people view it immediately,

like when something goes down, it's like, oh, there's a breakup and like they're at odds and whatever. It's like, no. And I'm going to, I'm going to like walk a fine line here whenever I say this. there are other people involved. And if you have ever dated or been in a relationship with someone that has children with someone else, there is a fine line that has to be walked and there are things going on that I cannot at this current time speak on. But I also will not be silenced when it is the time to speak on it. Yeah, that's a hard thing too because I think a lot of the times, too, that when we like you guys finally do, up. They don't always like what you guys have to say. And it's again, it's like you can't please

everybody. And I always have to, I tell this to kill all the time too, that the majority is positive. And we have to remember that, that the negativity that we're seeing or feeling or feels like is so loud really is the minority of people who support you. And it's the trolls. And it's whatever. Like, okay, you're the trolls. But you do have, you guys have a very big, great support of loving community and I see it. I do see it on the back end where they will ride for y'all. They will follow you in all of your projects. They'll make sure that you guys are good. And I do, I always want to acknowledge that because there are a lot of riders for you guys. There are. I mean, this podcast has been going for how long, 12 years? It's been so long. 2017, we've been doing this podcast.

Almost 10 years. I just think that what's currently going on and you know some stuff like on the back in privately, but I think people would honestly be really mind blown at some of the stuff. And I do think that if we're going to be on a podcast and we're sharing our life, that I don't know if O is the right word. Yeah, I know. But I always want to come on here and talk and, like, say what the T is and like what's going on, because if it helps somebody that could potentially be going through a similar thing and they find some comfort in what's going on.

Like I always want to be able to provide that, but people have to understand that when attorneys are involved and there's legal implications, like, you got to be real careful. And also children. Like at the end of the day, you're both mothers. And I think that like we talked about in the beginning of the episode, moms, women in general, but especially moms don't always pour into themselves. So when you're going through something like relationship struggles, shit at work, whatever the case may be,

you don't always have the luxury of working through it in the most structured and healthy way that you possibly could if you weren't focused on taking care of somebody else and keeping them alive. So to just put it into perspective of when you're thinking about background trauma, child rearing. You're thinking about all of the stuff you're going on in your everyday life. The world in general of society in a populace is imploding. What the fuck is going on? Like in general, not just with us, in general. So like to have a sense of grace, not just with the people that you interact with

online, but with yourself too. Because I think people are just holding everybody, including themselves, to a lot higher expectations than they need to. And that is, that should be expected right now for what everyone's going through. It's so crazy because I remember texting you. I don't know. I didn't text anybody over this weekend because I was literally laid out. But I think it was the weekend prior to that. And I text you and I said literally what the fuck is going on in the world. And then yesterday, Kail's status on her Instagram was like social media is the Wild Wild West right now. Let's take a quick second to talk about Rocket Money. Kail and I were just texting about Rocket money the other day. And Rocket Money is a personal finance app that helps find and cancel your

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That's RocketMoney.com slash coffee combos. And I think like because there's just so much misunderstanding from what I'm seeing, like misinterpret interpretation of the small amount of facts that people have. And it goes across the board to you, not just for your situation, but like kills, anybody who has drama. Like that happens every day to people. They just don't have to deal with it on the internet, you know? Exactly. And it's like, I wish that there was a little bit more grace because I feel like I, I

extend so much grace to people. And when I read some of the stuff sometimes, I even have grace for the person that wrote it because I'm like, okay, well, obviously like that hit them in a place of maybe a place of hurt or something that they're working through. And so I want to be mindful of that and just be like, yeah, it kind of hurts or like stings a little bit. But at the same time, they're processing and listening to something that we said and processing it through their eyes for something that they have either gone through or currently going through. And I think that's what people, like, in general, really need to keep in mind just when they're interacting with people across the board that our perspectives of life, how we're going

to view, things are always going to be really different because we all have different lived experiences that make up our point of view in how we see the world. And I think that what we're going through as a society is a direct result of people not keeping that in mind and us living so individualistic and thinking that the way that we do things is the right way and the only way to do something. And I'm like, I struggle with that personally as all this first-gen daughter, I think I know everything and the right way to do things is the way that I would do them. And that's just not the case. It's just not the case. And I struggle with that in my personal life. But we talk about that. I struggle with like what to give my

opinion on, what not to give my opinion on how to give my opinion because sometimes I'm way too blunt and I don't mean to be. And it always comes from a place of like, I want the best for whoever I'm talking to. So I think we all just in general can do better at that, not just like an audience perspective. One thousand percent speaking of crazy shit. And we see this stuff like going on on social media all the time, right? But I ran across this story and I initially ran across it on Facebook. And then I saw it being talked about on TikTok. And I was like, wow, this is insane. And exactly why Keel and I have such a hard time when it comes to like GoFundMe's because you you never know what to trust, right?

Yeah. So it says this Florida woman has been accused of posing on donation sites as a father of a Houston teen who was killed in the Texas flood. What is wrong? Like, what is wrong with people? Why would you do that? So it says, according to court records, they're confirming that this person that's posing is 28 years old.

And she has been charged with two counts of online impersonation, online. an online impersonation. According to a detective, she made a GoFundMe page and a spot fund page pretending to be the father of a Houston 19 year old who died in the Texas floods at Camp Mystic. It says records say that the girl who had passed away, the father alerted authorities about this fake go fund me campaign that was using his name and his daughter's photo. And the entire bio of the tragedy, and the page was allegedly asking the public for donations to support him. Detectives later learned about a spot fund campaign that was also using her and her father's names. It says the detective requested records from both platforms, which had allegedly listed this

28-year-old girl, and she had been the creator of both campaigns and both pages were reportedly created back in July less than a week after the floods took place. in central Texas. I don't know. I don't understand. Like, how do you think that it's a good idea? Or, like, how do you get in your brain to try to capitalize off of somebody else's tragedy like that?

It's just, it's so crazy. And, like, not only is this horrible that she would be using a victim of, like, such a tragic situation and praying on the family, right? But there are people who literally make up. complete fake GoFundMe's of stuff that like does not even exist. It does say zero tolerance for bad actors. GoFundMe says what they're saying in a statement, GoFundMe said, GoFundMe has zero tolerance for the misuse of our platform and bad actors who seek to take advantage of the generosity of others. Our team has acted quickly to remove the fundraiser back in July,

refunded donors and ban the account for future fundraising on GoFundMe. Thanks to our trust and safety procedures at no point did this organizer have access. to the total five raised. Good. Well, and that's the thing about GoFundMe and stuff like that. GoFundMe particularly, they are really strict and they will refund people if they do figure out that it's a scam. So I do think that's good.

I am, I donate constantly and like I'll get like on the weekends, I'll be like scrolling TikTok and I see someone's like story and I'm like constantly donating willy-nilly. And like I really should do a little bit better to bet situations. but I just, I don't, because it's so far out of my realm of possibility, like where my brain could get to, I just don't imagine that that's what people are doing. And I can't even fathom getting to that point. Like, I genuinely am so concerned about people's morality these days. Like, what is going on? Well, there are some people on there that will, like, completely pose if they have, like, this terminal illness. It's almost like people that should be diagnosed with, like,

Munchausens. Yeah, literally. Right? Like it's, it's so insane to me. And it's like it's taking away from the people who actually need the help and support that are using that platform in the right way. And I can't stand that. Yes, because then people are going to be hesitant to donate to actually, like to people who deserve it and need the actual help and aren't lying because then they're like, oh, well, I can't trust that they're actually needing it or in need. And that, uh, I just saw the saddest go fund.

me, this woman found out that her husband was abusing their children sexually. And she caught him in the act. And she was a single mother. And so she's like, I know. I know. So awful. And so she's like on the internet. And she's like, I'm ashamed that I have to ask for help.

And I'm like, nobody should be ashamed to ask for help in those situations. And that like you can tell as you're hearing her story that that's real. Like you can tell in her pain, in her voice, in her eyes that that is a real story. And she was asking for help because her husband had taken out like a second loan on their house. And she didn't know that. And she used to pay that up of all of these bills on her own. And like when you have a gap in your resume as a stay at home mom. Yes. Not always easy to get another job. And just in general right now in this economy, the work market is not good at all. So it's it's sad. That's really fucked up. That one broke my heart. That is absolutely horrific, but to your point, that was a real story. And it's people like this girl who's out here using it as a cash grab. So I don't know if you remember when I was talking on the crossover episode that we did not too long ago back. I think we recorded it, what, like September? And then it aired in October, November, that three-part series.

Yeah. Okay, so the girl that did some of the diabolical shit that she did to me that was discussed in that crossover, she started hitting me up asking me, since I had a large social media following, could I post a go fund me for her dog that was sick? And allegedly, allegedly, she posted a GoFundMe, raised thousands and thousands of dollars. I never posted it because I was skeptical of GoFundMe at that point anyway. And I mean, this was years ago, like 2018 probably. Yeah, yeah, like a long time ago. And I was like, no, I can't post it. And quite frankly, I lied.

And I was like, my management doesn't allow me to like post stuff like that just because I didn't want to say. Yeah. Liar, right? and she raised thousands and thousands of dollars, never got that dog help and went and bought a brand new Lexus. What is wrong with people? Why? Is that not crazy?

I'm just like, what the fuck? Wait, okay, let me tell you what I've been doing for the last couple of days since I've been laying in the bed sick and then cleaning in the interim. So there is a show on Netflix and I think it's called like true crime stories or something like that. I'll look it up and then have us post it. But do you remember the girl, she was a cheerleader from, I think, Ohio, Skyler Richardson? Yes. Do you remember that? Yeah. So we just watched the episode, they did a whole episode on her and watched it last night. And I followed that case to some degree, but not as heavily as some other things that I followed. So I was kind of like remembering the stuff as,

I was watching it. And that case is absolutely insane. And I don't know what to believe. Like, it's living in my mind rent free. And I was telling David, he was like, I don't know. Like, maybe it wasn't malicious. Maybe I'm like, no. Like, this girl was so pregnant.

Had the baby, went and got interviewed with the police. immediately denied all the stuff. Then in the interviews, you see her saying, well, maybe the baby was breathing. And I squeezed it really tight. So it might have killed it. Then she proceeds to say how she took the baby out in her parents' backyard, buried the baby,

then admits in another interview that she used a lighter to, light the area on fire. And when you watch the parts of the trial that they share, the defense keeps saying, well, it was false confession. And I wanted to ask you what you felt about false confession and how real you think that is. Because I have heard that being under that amount of stress and pressure for long periods of time, that sometimes you will just say something to get out of it. Yeah, I think it really is situational because I do see that. I see like if you've been housed in a holding cell for days or not giving you food, water, sometimes they're doing, you know, aggressive tactics and they're trying to coerce a confession from you. I don't think that was the case in this situation.

But this girl, and what I was saying to David, I said, it just doesn't make sense to me. I feel like it was all somewhat methodical because she was texting the boyfriend and they were showing the text where she was like, I'm so happy. And she was taking a picture of her stomach. And she was like, my belly's back. And I'm so happy. And like, I can't wait to talk to you tomorrow to tell you everything and on and on. It's like, well, do you think her mom really didn't know she was? was pregnant because I don't believe that either. How? I don't necessarily believe it. So they were talking at the

beginning about how she had an eating disorder, right? And then it shows that, you know, she's getting ready to go to her senior prom. And it shows a screenshot of text messages from her mom. And she says, slow down. It says something to the effect, don't quote, but something. thing to the effect, slow down on your eating or you won't fit in your dress. But then in the interview with the mom and dad, she's talking about how the daughter had this eating disorder and how they attempted to get her help and all of this stuff. But that doesn't add up. Like knowing that your child has an eating disorder and then you're sending them a text saying slow down on your eating or you won't fit in your dress. Immediately that was a red flag to me in regards to her. Because like,

Like, okay, you're saying you're going to grow anyway because you're pregnant. So slow it down on eating for quote unquote too, right? Because some people will take that like to the extreme because you're not going to fit in your dress. And she didn't want other people to know she was pregnant. I don't know that her mom knew what her daughter's plan was. But I do think they both knew they were pregnant. If the mom did not, was not have confirmation, she had to have an inkling.

Like you, you know, you're a mom. Moms have instinct. My mom, when I was in college, there was something. that happened to me. She knew something was wrong. She didn't know what was wrong. She told me. She woke up in the middle of the night. She knew something had happened. And that's what instinct. But do, okay, and I'm asking other parents who are listening to this, it go in that episode, and I'm going to find it and find the title of it. So if anybody wants to watch, I'm pretty much done with the whole series. It covers like various different cases that have been heavily followed.

but the mom says that when she realizes that her daughter is sexually active, she decides that she's going to take her to the doctor. So she takes her to the doctor and she said that she doesn't go in with her. She goes in by herself. And then Skyler comes out crying invisibly upset, but claims that she took her to the doctor to get birth control. At that point, as a parent, and I'm just asking, If my daughter, I don't have one, but if I did and I took her to a doctor's appointment to go in and get birth control and she came out visibly shaken and upset, I'm going to start questioning that immediately.

Yeah, because like in general, even if she wasn't getting birth control, my kid came out of a doctor's office crying. I'd be like, what the hell just happened in that doctor's office? Because putting the pieces of the puzzle together, mom knows she sexually actually. takes her to doctor to get on a pill, doesn't go in with her, daughter comes out, visibly shaken, upset, and crying uncontrollably. Mm-hmm. And you didn't think anything was going on? I don't believe it.

I think that some people are purposefully, like, ignorant to things. I think the same could be said when people know, like, their partners are cheating on them and they don't try and, like, do you know what I mean? I think we always know, especially a mom. I just don't believe that. She is a mom herself. I mean, there are some people who do not look pregnant well into their pregnancies forever. Like, there's that show.

Like, I didn't know I was pregnant. And those people, you show, they show videos and clips and they did not look pregnant at all. But she looked pregnant. I agree. Now, do I believe that the dad was looped in on all this stuff? I don't necessarily believe that. I don't think that he knew a lot of what was going on. I do believe that maybe there could have been a false confession on the burning because the person that does like the autopsy reporter or whatever said that there was visible signs of burning at 100% like was confirming that.

And then walked that back weeks or months later saying that there actually wasn't signs of that. but the police already had the confession from her of saying that she thinks that she might have burned the body and that she thinks that she used a lighter and she didn't know how high the flame was on and on. What I could not fathom was watching the verdict of that and how she was only guilty of tampering with a corpse. That was the only thing she was found guilty on. And she got, I think, three years of like supervised something. Yeah, probation.

Yep. And I'm like, this is a baby. And I think, I think that baby was breathing. And I think she did kill the baby, whether she knew what was going on, whether she didn't, whether she was in shock and did something because she was emotional, hormonal, whatever the case may be, whatever it was, I think that baby was alive. and I think she ended that child's life. And like if the baby was born, she clearly did not want the baby. If she was saying she was happy after, right? Yep.

So it just, it doesn't add up to me at all. And like if you had a baby and the baby was dead already, why would you try to hide the evidence? Like that part doesn't even make any sense to me. A live baby is a consequence and you have to are then going to have to deal with it, right? if the baby actually was ill or not breathing when it was born, why would you then try to hide that? Because, okay, you're trying to hide the pregnancy because you don't want to deal with the consequences.

The baby's gone. You didn't do anything wrong, quote unquote. It was born still born or had birth complications, whatever. We'll never know. Do you know what I mean? It doesn't make sense. Why wouldn't you have called for help? And then the craziest thing was that the only thing it made me believe that the parents might not know was because

she went to the doctor after the fact that she had given birth to the baby, did all the things that she did, confessed to the doctor that she had given birth to the baby. That's how the police got involved because that doctor reported that to local law enforcement. Then her parents got involved, took her to the police department to be interviewed, but allegedly didn't know why she was being interviewed and there was no attorney. I'm telling you right now, I don't care if I was sick. 17, 17, 18 years old, if I did something like that and the police started calling, I'm going to know that that's what they're calling about. Maybe she just didn't know that what she did was illegal.

Like maybe she in her brain convinced herself that she didn't harm her baby because I think our brains are really strong. I think they can do that. And then she didn't know that getting rid of the baby by burying the baby, burning the baby, whatever way was illegal or as illegal as it is. or was going to get her into as much as it is because like mental illness. That and also like, this is controversial a little bit, right? When you are raised super sheltered and you're not given a proper conversation or education about sexual health, et cetera, I don't know if that was the case of her mom was taking her to go on birth control, right?

You don't know certain things. You are really ignorant and are not always making decisions with the whole information. And I was really sheltered. So that's just coming from me. I'm not judging anybody how they their children. Do you know what I mean? But I do think because I was sheltered,

I put myself in a lot of situations and environments that were dangerous because I just didn't know that they were dangerous because I didn't live a life because I was really sheltered. So I think it could go both ways. But again, I in my heart of hearts

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