Coffee Convos with Kail Lowry and Lindsie Chrisley - Alien Cults, A Safe Place to Cheat, & Gypsy Rose Meets Kim K!

Episode Date: June 6, 2024

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I hate gift giving and receiving. Receiving gifts is so weird. What do you say thank you? This is Coffee Convo's with Kale Lowry and Lindsey Chrisley. I really want you to be in your feels, Kale. That does not interest me whatsoever. I feel very attacked by you. A spirited discussion about motherhood, friendship, family,

and life in the public eye. I'm just not with the fakery anymore. There's a fakery bakery around here. Here's Kale and Lindsey. Okay, good morning. It feels like fucking Monday. It feels like Monday and Monday felt like Monday and now it's Tuesday for us. Happy Thursday for you guys. Hope that you're having a great day because mine did not start great and I toss and turn until four o'clock this morning. It's 10 a.m. I've spilled coffee all down my back. I was sitting in

the car also had to take so Isaac, his eye basically is swollen shut. And Joe and I are going back and forth about the doctor, whatever. And I said orbital cellulitis because he had like a pimple right here. And he tried to pop it immediately following that his eye swelled shut almost. So I said orbital cellulitis because Lincoln had gotten stung at one point near his eye and orbital cellulitis took over. So I was like, okay, that's exactly what it looks like. The PA, I guess it is, at the pediatrician was like, oh, just give him Benadryl for 24 hours and

like keep an eye on it. Well, the swelling is now into his cheek. It's all down. So it went from, I have a picture of it, went from here strictly to in his eyelid all the way down to his cheek now. So I said, we're never coming back to this pediatrician's office. I said, I don't understand why you didn't call it impregnation and an antibiotic because to me that sounds, this is your eye we're talking about. This isn't like an alert. They claim it's an allergic reaction. I don't agree. When there's bacteria in a pimple, probably. And both of your kids have had this?

Yeah. Lincoln got it from getting stung too close to his eye. And I guess like the infection, truthfully I don't know. Like you guys know, I'm not a fucking doctor. I'm not claiming to be one. I'm not claiming to know better. I just, I personally just don't like now is not the time to be conservative when it's his eyeball. He also has a ceremony at school tomorrow. So I'm also really upset by that because I'm like, you can't, I'll show you, look at this. Oh, wow. Wow. Why does it look like it's almost swollen shut? So that's what we've been dealing with. And I'm just frustrated because I've, we've been going there for 14 years. Like we've been going there to that pediatrician and she's new. And I called back

and I was like, I just think that prednisone and antibiotic at the very least, just to be sure, because they're claiming, they were like, it's not a stye, it's not this, it's not that. But at no point did they call in an actual doctor. They're PAs. I know that they're fantastic. I know that they're awesome, but I just felt like in this case, they should have had the doctor come in. Okay, I have to ask you a question. I am a creature of habit. I tend to not choose to change providers for things.

Like if I've gone somewhere for a very long time, I just, for whatever reason, it takes me a lot to change something. But the older that I have gotten, I realize if I'm just not happy, then I just change it. Well, I typically love them there. Like I've seen all the providers there. I've loved it. But this was really upsetting to me. Like this was, I mean, this is my son's eye. I know I'm not a doctor, but I just feel like when you advocate for yourself or for your child in healthcare, you have to advocate. They didn't give us a differential diagnosis.

They said, it's not this, it's not this, it's not this, but never gave us a solution. Why is it spreading into his cheek now? That's a problem. Now he's at urgent care at this moment. Yep, right at this moment. How do you guys even divide and conquer? Wait, isn't it Joe's week? Mm-hmm.

Joe had appointments. How do you all divide and conquer about the doctor? I mean, typically I've always just done most of the doctor appointments. Like, it's just, I don't know if it's like a mother's instinct or I don't know. I don't know. Like I always take Jackson to his pediatrician's office for like his yearly checkup.

Will never goes to stuff like that. I always just send him a write up basically of his height, weight, whatever, anything that he needs to know. But outside of that, I just, for whatever reason, I like to be the one to hear it first. Well, so Joe took him to the appointment this morning. I had called and made an appointment and he took him. And then I said I wanted a second opinion or had the doctor themselves call me back and the PA gave the note back. And then I ended up just making, Kristen helped me make the appointment

at the urgent care. And I was like, well, either me or Elijah can take him. I do prefer to be the, at least if I can't be there, be the first. I don't know. I don't know. And it's not that I'm better than the other parent. It's just, I don't know. I don't know. I think that it's just like a mother's thing. I think that's probably very common. What are you eating? Is that a deviled egg? No, this hard boiled. What is it with you and eggs?

They're high in protein. No, you are like, Bubba, like Bubba gump on forest gump. I like eggs. Bubba, like Bubba Gump on Forrest Gump. I like eggs. You know how he's like boiled, fried, whatever? That chew with eggs in any way, shape or form. But mostly prefer deviled. Why are they called deviled?

Maybe they're color. Have you ever thought about that? No. I just don't understand. Like it's, what do you put in deviled eggs? I don't really make them. Elijah, actually Elijah made them this weekend. But what goes in them? I have no idea. I'm no clue I just eat them. You've never made them. I made them one time were they bad. No, I thought they were pretty good

I do like a little um Do not tell me you like relish in it. Mm-hmm. I do like a little relish in my eggs I feel like relish just not belong in a deviled egg, but I will tell you, I don't like pickles on anything like combined with other stuff, don't want it on a burger. I just don't feel like relish belongs in an egg. But again, I don't like pickles on anything, but I love anything pickled by itself. In the book that I was reading yesterday, it was like it's based in World War II. And the mom to her daughter is like,

go pick cucumbers in the garden. I'll make pickles with you. And I'm like, wow, I need to start a garden so I can start pickling things. So you're going to have a complete farm and a garden. Yeah. Let me know how that works out for you. I'll hand deliver you some eggs. Please, please do. Outside of that, I was up until four o'clock this morning and was scrolling on TikTok. And please tell me why at any point of my life that I feel like this internal conflict going on that for whatever reason, TikTok, I guess it's their algorithm and it's just like feeling me out. Okay. But it's all these like fortune tellers and like tarot card readers and it'll be like

every other video. And these videos also apply to like what I'm thinking about. Okay. Okay. So do we think there's something to it or do we think that it's just the universe kind of like throwing it in your lap? Have you talked about it because your phone listens? Yeah, I've definitely talked about it. So that's why. So my phone's listening and then TikTok's picking it up. Yes. That's like, probably at some point this week there, your phone is going to start showing you double day things on Instagram, like reels on how to make them or like pickled stuff Or I might even show you chicken stuff. Okay also Need to tell you that I'm wearing Jackson's

College World Series baseball hat before I even wore it. So love that when your child gets big enough, you can start copying their things Look at what he found at Goodwill. Are you ready? No, he didn't. Is that a worm? Is that like a caterpillar? It's a Taibini baby from McDonald's like back in the day still in the bag. But wait, that's probably we're gonna get rich. I know. Does anybody want this? It's like $5,000. That's so funny. Did you look it up like the cost on eBay like what it is? Ma'am, I've been going through this for a long period of time in my life. This was the fourth Taibini baby that came out and the collection that McDonald's did I

Collected every Taibini baby from McDonald's talked about this before my grandparents drove me to Every McDonald's in the upstate of South Carolina to collect these. I went into the Yellow Pages and called all of these McDonald's to see which Thai Beanie Babies that they had. They were very special to me. No, I have to Google what this is. My granddaddy kept all of my Beanie Babies.

I never played with them. Okay. I left them in the bags like this. And my granddaddy put them in his safe thinking that we were going to get rich. Because back in the day, that's what we were told. Like the ones that would not be opened, you would just make a ton of money on them. And I had the entire collection. No, they're not worth anything. They're not? No. Hold on. I'm devastated. Worm. Hold on. Worm. Thai beanie babies. Yes, it is. How much is it worth? No one dropped this off at Goodwill. That's a vintage Thai beanie

baby. 1995 is they're going for over $300. Does anybody want this one? No, you better not. Oh, if Jackson thinks he can get $300 for this, it'll be gone. Put it on eBay. He'll mail it tomorrow. Any coffee combos listeners like one pay 300 bucks for this because... eBay has an... Okay, the first one brand new, $357. The second one is the 1995 vintage Taibin, maybe $499. The next one, $399, $249. Like these are, I mean, obviously they're

not like, that's the 1995 edition. Yes. Yeah. I don't know if it matters if this is like the- Pinch Worm, Teeny Beanie Baby Sealed in McDonald's Package, set up three, $500. Well, I only have one one so we've obviously found a treasure at Goodwill and by we I mean my son. Anybody want this? Any takers? Please let me know. Also did you ever buy these idols from Amazon? I have Peter Thomas Roth actually sent me. Okay so these are so inexpensive and I use them every single day. I like the Peter Thomas Roth ones, but for a daily wear, it's just a little expensive for me. Also, did you ever purchase this?

No, I never did get it. Okay, well I'm gonna send you the link because it's the best lip gloss that you ever did see. I just don't like getting it under my nail. Like this, I like, I like a tube. I thought that you went like this with your fingernail. I do, but I don't, I don't like getting it under my nail. Like this, I like a tube. I thought that you went like this with your fingernail. I do, but I don't prefer it. Okay. Okay, well, I will link these. You guys need to get these items

because these are daily use. You need to get this for summer. Multi-day use. Like I use the lip gloss. What is this spray that you have? Okay, I just got it yesterday. It's called the Wei Hair and Body Mist, but it's a really good like light one for like summertime. Like it's a good, it's really light. You could probably layer it with like an actual perfume, but it's I don't know. I really liked it.

I had gotten, I posted it on if anyone wants that Beanie Baby and also if anyone wants these perfumes that I did not like at all, I'm not, I'm too lazy to return. So let me know. I hated this one's okay. Oh shit. These ones are not good at all. I don't like them. What brand is that? Kay Ali, Kay Ali, something like that. Okay. Well, anybody else love a body mist more than you love perfume? Cause me. I love both. I like them for different things. Remember back in the nineties or like early 2000s when we all were love spell? Yeah. Oh my God. And I got mine secondhand or like friends gave it to me. I never actually like had like a full actual bottle.

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shower. Okay. He said I thought I would just share some info on the kindergarten baby shower thing. I'm assuming the listener was talking about the same one that I know of. My nephew is in kindergarten and his teacher had a baby shower the last week of school for the moms and the kids. Apparently there is a student in the class

whose mom is an influencer. They basically partnered with a ton of baby brands who supplied the gifts and made sure that each child had a gift to bring the teacher so no one had to actually purchase one unless they wanted to and felt left out. I'm not saying I agree or disagree, but to my understanding,

it wasn't the kids end of the year party. They played lots of games, had snacks. It was at the end of the year so I could see why it appears that way. They had a class party a day or so later. So this is, so who is the influencer? The teacher or the mom? One of the moms in the class is an influencer mom. I just don't think that that needs to be brought into, like we are, out of all the things that

needs to be intermingled with our kids and our students, I just don't think a baby shower of any sort is appropriate for, like I just don't. I just don't think a baby shower of any sort is appropriate for it. Like I just don't, I just don't. Like I think that that's really cool that the influencer mom did that, but I think that it could have been outside of the school setting.

You know what I mean? Like I just don't think that that was, I don't know, it's just, it feels weird. Like you and I are both, you know, influencers or have been influencers to some capacity. And I would just not, if I wanted to offer, you know, influencers or have an influencers to some capacity. And I would just not if I wanted to offer example, I sent Lux to school with a ton of Kiwi Co box crates. I sent Lux to school with a ton of Kiwi Co crates. I also sent Creed to

school with a ton of Kiwi Co crates. I think that there is a world where influencers can gift those things, but it doesn't need to be a whole like, or I just it's just like a weird memory. And like, could you imagine like Jackson comes to home from school, or you guys are reminiscing about school. And he's like, Remember that time we had that baby shower for my teach? Like, it just feels weird. I don't know. I don't know.

And I just don't feel like it feels weird. But when Jackson was like really little, his baba had just retired. That's Will's mom. And I asked him, I was like, well, what's your ba-ba's job? And he was like, I don't know, she goes to lunch and she goes to like baby showers. And she does, like she goes to like tons of stuff like that for people. And one time I was getting ready

for Will's brother's wife's baby shower and Jackson was very upset that he wasn't invited and didn't understand why boys didn't go to baby showers like he wanted to see what it was about. So I do think it's kind of a cool experience for them to see. I understand your position on it and it should not replace a class party at the end of the year but if it's something incorporated and all of the parents are okay and it's kind of optional for you to be able to choose to attend or not attend, then I think it's fine. And we can just agree to fucking disagree.

I won't get pissed off, but where I will get pissed off is my final thoughts on Love Has Won the Cult. I finished it and I was appalled. I was absolutely traumatized by the video footage of this corpse. That was devastating to say the least. So the video footage that these people were playing of the starships that were literally stratus clouds was like, I just, I can't understand a world where someone gets to this point. So like, that's really hard for me to understand. And like all of these people could not have been in this in a stable mental place to have been thinking that these clouds were starships.

I was actually just talking about the 7M cult documentary on the Southern tea yesterday. Yeah. And basically the conclusion that I came to regarding this cult like behavior in cults is that I feel that most people that get involved, I wouldn't necessarily call them weak. I would maybe consider that they feel lost and like not a part of something and these

cults make them feel a part of something and like they have a purpose and that's how they get down this slippery slope. So you don't think that they next necessarily actually believe these things? You think it's more of like a feeling?washed into believing I think they get into it and then that becomes their whole life and their version of reality. And so it's kind of like a pathological liar, right? At some point you start believing your own lies. So I have an entire page of notes. So I don't want to take up the entire episode on them,

but I do want to get through all of them because I think that if anyone hasn't watched this docu-series, it's a couple of episodes, the end of it is more fascinating, I guess, I would say, than the beginning. So if you guys just hold on and get through the whole thing, the ending is where you're just mind fucked. Amy, I was mind blown. Yes, by the end,

especially like the beginning, I was like, Okay, where is this going? Like, what are we getting at? And then finally, the last episode, I was like, Holy fuck, like, what did I just watch? So Amy is Mother God, she is told that she's Mother God, she was convinced by, you know, a former lover or whatever, you know, that she had extra powers. And her body starts deteriorating because of the poison and the starving herself. I don't, she also says that Robin Williams is coming for her and she's channeling his energy. He relayed to her that she needed to be within 103 pounds and 104 pounds,

like in order to ascend to wherever the fuck she was going. What is that? Why do you have to be of a certain weight to ascend somewhere? I'm not understanding where these will lead. Like where would that come from? Why? But also how would you just logically,

from a logical mindset, why would you think that you were just going to ascend anywhere regardless of weight? Well, that's what I'm saying. And then two, she was one of the one of the followers was saying that she's taking on the pain of all 7 billion people on this planet. That's why she's deteriorating and she's, you know, basically a rotting living human. And she deteriorates. No, she's poisoning herself. That human, and she deteriorates.

No, she's poisoning herself. That's why she's deteriorating. She's not taking on the pain of seven billion people. I don't understand that. So then she's on her deathbed and she starts saying, what if I made this all up? What do you mean, what if I made this all up? You knew what you were doing.

One time, Lindsay, when I was in the fourth grade, I got my little friends together and I was like, we're gonna do this little performance on my garage roof. Like we're gonna do this little dance. And like we came up with this whole thing that we were gonna do. Obviously I made that up. Like, what do you, we're never gonna get on my garage roof

and start dancing. Like, what do you mean? We're not putting on a show. Like, and you know what I mean? Like that's the type of stuff that you're like, what if I just made that up? Like we weren't actually gonna put this performance on. Not this whole like.

These are people's lives. Yes, that are like cutting all ties to their families. And like, yeah, sure. They may have cut ties with their families regardless of this cult, but this being the purpose is so upsetting to me. And then at the point that she's saying, what if I made it all up and the followers are staying?

What weird journey and mission are you on? What is the mission? Everyone kept talking about this mission that she was gonna complete. What is the mission? No one knows, but that's what I'm saying. The aspect of the brainwashing, I think that if any of those people stopped in thoughts

in a normal frame of mind after she said that, hey, this might all be fake, but because that has become their reality in total, maybe they just got afraid to leave or think anything different because they had already trained their brain to be in this world that really didn't even exist. One follower leaves and she's like, I can't watch this woman kill herself.

And then Amy says, okay, we need to go to Hawaii. But the community in Hawaii, first of all, you don't mess with anyone. That's their native land. You don't get to come in and just destroy their beliefs and the goddess and gods that they believe in, you don't mess with them. Like that's like when Kanye was talking about he was God or whatever the fuck, like you just don't do that. You don't mess with people's religion and what they, like you cannot do that. So Hawaii gets them kicked out, which I feel like was-

I was scared when I watched that part. I was scared of Hawaii. Before them, because they just, I mean, that's sacred land and the goddess of the volcanoes and things like that. That is, I think it's called the goddess Pele. Don't mess with that stuff. Like you don't get to say, go to Hawaii and say that you're the goddess. Like that's just not a thing. So, okay. So when she dies, she's mummified because of the poison that she was drinking while she was alive. It basically mummified her, which is absolutely insane. But the craziest part of her death to me was obviously one that it was

preventable, right? But they go to the hotel and she dies in the hotel. She's in the fucking hotel room for what? Like 10 days. It was a very long time. And these people kept her and none of them were charged. Like I think maybe two of them were charged, but they are keeping the corpse alive and using that energy radiation thing to monitor and saying that she still has energy coming off of her so that these are extra powers. And three people were taking care of her in a hotel.

Remember they were saying that she's still there? I just, I have no, and they were giving the corpse water. No, like her physical body is still there. But like there's nothing going on. She is dead and also silver. So when you saw and they showed the body of did you see her body like it really did turn like blue silver like yeah, like it was I've never seen a bot like a deteriorating corpse like that but i was just like what the fuck so the hotel starts asking questions like they wanted

to check on this woman so they hide her put sunglasses and a hat on her and cross five state lines yeah and um they go into the forest to go camping because they claim that the galactics what the fuck is a galacticics? Like, what is that? A Galactics is gonna- I was just gonna say, I think there was maybe like a lot of acid going on. The fact that you thought that the Galactics were gonna come down and get her, like to make her,

like, what are you, are you kidding me? So- Like aliens, a starship? The owner of the house that all of this started in was originally one of the followers. But I think at the point that criminal, it seemed sort of criminal, criminal activity was going on because of this belief system or whatever, this religion, if you will. I think at that point he was like, okay, once they come back, I will have them removed." And then he drained the bank account. $330,000, he drains the account. And I just need to know how he got involved in the first place. Like,

maybe it didn't start off what it was, but he kind of became a follower because just by nature, like her living in his house, I don't know if it was a situation of like, she rented it from him. Like, I don't know how that worked. Um, also on the 7M doc that I watched, that TikTok cult, it kind of went into the details of the fact that cults aren't illegal. What makes it illegal is if there is ever any type of financial misconduct or sexual abuse. Okay.

That's how you can take a cult leader down. But unless there is like financial misconduct or something that they can put their finger on that is a legal, an actual cult is not illegal. Okay, because it's a belief system and that sort of thing. Okay, well, I think he was able to get away with it because he was like, I own this house and that bank account, he is probably on it of, you know, whatever, but it was just really

interesting to me. Also, the fact that this cult, this very small cult had $330,000, but was like starving themselves doesn't add up. That is also weird. Like, that doesn't and then how are you paying your bills and all of these people are living in this? Like I just it doesn't make sense to me. Like I just I can't understand the logic behind it. Right? Like, I understand there are

people that are forced into cult by like maybe their mom joined or they you know, like we've covered cult where they're born into it, right. But when you're an adult, right, like you, me and you, I would never follow something like this. So it fascinates me that someone would be, yeah, you feel like you don't belong, but then you could join a group on Facebook. Like you could join a gym, you could join, like they have all kinds of like groups and like, I guess I can't understand that part of it.

And I'm not judging. I just am fascinated. I also am fascinated by this, but I think that the brainwashing is so far beyond what we can comprehend that that's why we don't understand it. Okay. And my girlfriend that also watches other doc that I watched, she was talking about how it doesn't make you weak to be more impressionable. It doesn't make you weak to be, what do you mean?

So some people are just naturally followers and some people are naturally leaders. And if someone approaches you and starts grooming you in this way, it might not be extreme when you get in it. And then it becomes extreme the further you get brainwashed. Okay. This also reminded me of they call him mostly harmless. And I say that because they were, it was also said that he was on some like journey and some mission and was trying to fulfill something. And by fulfill I mean like a mission. So it's really interesting because he did it by himself

and didn't take anyone down with him. Why couldn't Amy do the same? I don't really know. I don't know what that drink was that they were drinking, but I believe she basically poisoned herself to the point of death. I mean, obviously the factors of the malnutrition also an issue, right? But I couldn't imagine just being convinced by anyone to drink something that turns me silver, identify the fact that my entire body is silver and still continue doing it, that to me is mind blowing. It's also like a slow painful death. Like you, what I'm about to say, it might be a hot take, but you didn't just end it quickly.

Like you suffered. Like there was a long, long, long drawn out suffering, which I can't understand either. Like that couldn't have been something that you, the Galactics would have wished on anyone. My question after watching that entire documentary is why was more people not charged with crimes from just her death alone?

Well that's- Not leading up to it. That's what I put in my notes too. Was it, you know, why? What, and can they explain further what the exact mission was? I think because what you were saying about it being a cult and a cult itself is not illegal. I think maybe that's more so what it was. Like they were moving her body around.

Oh, they said at the end of the documentary that they weren't actually convicted of anything because the corpse wasn't, there was no trauma. Like they didn't hurt her. They didn't kill her. Like that was the final, there was not enough evidence to prove that they did anything bad to her. And I think their belief system probably got them out

of the charges about like, what is it called? When you tamper with the court like, evidence or whatever, like, I couldn't even imagine though, let's just say, one of my friends passed away in a hotel room. Me putting a dead body in a car and driving across five state lines. If they would have called the police in the hotel room, they probably would have gotten in a lot more trouble. So it's interesting that they did more crime and got in less trouble. I don't know. I don't, I, I. Last thing I'm going to say on this is I know that you have had lots of issues and stuff with Boozy Susie in the past, but at least she's not Amy Carlson. Yeah. Yeah. Thank God. Because my mom, she's narcissistic to the point where she would be someone that thinks

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She meets with Kim on the Kardashians this season. About I believe that they had contact while gypsy was still incarcerated. And then they made contact after her release. And it's regarding prison reform, but she is on the Kardashians. Okay, so I kind of have mixed feelings on that already without knowing further information only because I'm not saying that, I do think that Gypsy, because Gypsy was in there for a long time, right?

Like she was in there for a really long time. In my opinion, you do have to look at the situation that she was in, and she couldn't have been mentally stable at that time. Also, she was abused and essentially a prisoner in her own home. So like, I do think that all things need to be considered when looking at her specifically.

Um, do I think that she is a good person for prison reform? I don't know. Um, but maybe, maybe the Kardashians are looking at her as a way to get more attention on prison reform? And if that's the case, I could understand that maybe. I think any time that a person is willing to share knowledge they have from living that life from the inside with somebody that could possibly have the ability to change something, I think that's positive. I saw this one interview,

she was, it was a media interview, maybe with like Access Hollywood or something. And this reporter was asking her what she thought about people saying that, you know, she was capitalizing on being a criminal. What else do you want her to do though? Like what is the- That was her argument.

She said, you know, while I understand that also this story has been followed so heavily, what was I supposed to do? It's not her fault that the media has attracted, you know, that she's garnered this following because of what she, it's the media and the consumers fault. It's our fault. Like how come these people get on TikTok and talk about,

oh, cancel this person, cancel that person, unfollow, don't do any of this. We're the ones that are making her this way. So to get mad at her for capitalizing off of that, I think is crazy. It's the same way that people get mad at me. Oh, she just got knocked up when she was 16. What did you want me to do? Stay on welfare? I capitalized off an opportunity that was mad at me. Oh, she just got knocked up when she was 16. What did you want me to do?

Stay on welfare? I capitalized off an opportunity that was presented to me. That's the same thing that Gypsy is doing. The alternative would be for her to have gotten out of prison and probably been, I mean, she had no education. She had no job experience. She had no nothing, no family, really. Would you have preferred her to go back through poverty and into welfare and all of that? Like,

would you have preferred that? I just think that everybody has an opinion like everybody has assholes, right? But she didn't really have much of a choice, in my opinion, other than to do what she's doing. I don't really have any I can't knock her for do I have not lived a day in her shoes. So I cannot knock her for anything. I the Kardashian thing, I would not lived a day in her shoes, so I cannot knock her for anything. The Kardashian thing, I would love to know what the context of that is,

if Gypsy had it, because at one point she was saying that was the freest she had ever been. So I would be curious to know if she feels like the prison system needed reform from her standpoint, because until someone tells her that it needed reform, did she think it did? You know what I mean?

So I'm just curious about that. She's actually been pretty open about on TikTok, the ways that you have to learn how to cope in there with lack of resources and how she made her own makeup for like these interviews and stuff. So I do believe that she has a lot of knowledge to be able to share with somebody that could make a difference. And I don't, I don't judge her for being on the Kardashians. I just think that that's a huge,

that's a huge thing for her. It's interesting though, because on one hand we have like you commit a crime and you go to jail and you are stripped of your freedoms, right? Like that is the purpose of jail. But at the point that it becomes inhumane, that absolutely needs reform. And I would agree with anyone who says that because I mean, we're talking about people who don't have access to rehabilitation.

And the, I feel alternative to what Gypsy is dealing with is that nobody gave a fuck about her and then she got out and maybe she returned to a life of crime because nobody cared and she didn't have resources, you know, so she can only share her story for the better. I feel I mean, obviously, we know that not and I mean, I want to be clear. I want to be clear that I, I don't agree with any criminal activity. I don't agree. And what she did was a crime, but also what her mother did to her was a crime. So then you get into the argument of, you know,

two wrongs don't make a right, correct? She served her time, she's out, she's making the best out of it, don't blame her. Saw this article come up on TMZ, it says Gypsy Rose Blanchard sues blogger claims release of medical records It says Gypsy Rose Blanchard Gypsy Rose Blanchard is fuming over a blogger allegedly Trashing her and her family's names after a planned partnership went south and now she's taking the woman to court and the recently released GRB filed lawsuit against April Jones whom Gypsy says presented herself as Francesca,

I can't pronounce the last name when they first linked up back in 2017, is alleging fraud, breach of contract, unjust enrichment, defamation, and false light against her. It says according to the documents obtained by TMZ, Gypsy says that she and her father's stepmother were approached by this woman to possibly team up in media stuff shortly after she was incarcerated in the role of her mother's murder. Gypsy claims that she told them she'd be able to produce this project surrounding Gypsy's story

and it would make her and her family a ton of money. So she ended up signing life rights agreement with this woman. I don't know what a life rights agreement is. And then Gypsy then started telling this woman everything for a period of two years. And Gypsy had provided materials, including medical records, crime scene photos of the murder, in hopes that she would be able to, this woman would be able to use her connections to get the project off the ground. And then the project never got off the ground. Instead, she claims that this woman just materialized off of her and then released medical records. Wow. I mean, that's interesting too,

because she has the show on Lifetime, which I'm gonna cover on Barely Famous. So I wonder how she was able to do that when she signed her life rights to whoever this woman is. I don't, what is life rights? I'm imagining the story of her life, like her likeness is what I'm guessing. Mm-hmm.

But Gypsy wouldn't really have enough knowledge to be able to like competently do that. I agree. I agree. Like there has to be something with contracts where it's like you're in the right state of mind, you're of mind, sound and whatever. What is it?

Of? Of sound. It's basically like- Your awareness of what you're signing the knowledge behind like that goes into knowing what you're signing and things like that. Like so she has the rights to all of gypsy's life to do this project within the project never came to fruition. So now she has all of these personal details, her life rights, but right. So I get what you're saying, but what is life rights?

Like what is that? Is that having the right to her entire life story, her likeness, her everything? It's so interesting to me. And I also just wonder what's going to happen in this case. Could Gypsy claim some type of like incompetence? Should, could she, what is going to be her claims? Because she did release this information to this woman and they did have a contract. But the woman breached it by never doing anything and using it. But that's what I'm saying with

the life rights when you have someone's life rights, does that was she basically promising gypsy, you know, this production, but then it ended up not being a production, it had been something else, but she still had their life rights, so technically she could do it? I believe from my understanding of this, it was a situation to where it was going to be this production, which never occurred. And then this woman went on to continue to cherry pick on her channel or wherever she was sharing this stuff to share the information that Gypsy provided her. But there was no benefit to Gypsy for this.

So, okay, because she promised her all this money and things like that. So I'm sure, I mean, Gypsy, I would hope has the money now to go through this because litigation is so expensive. It's so fucking expensive. And I really hope she comes out on this because it's not fair that this person promised it and didn't use the life rights to the capacity that she promised and didn't make Gypsy any money. So I feel in my opinion that you're already in breach of contract. But if you all in someone's life rights, did she have the right to publish all of those things that Gypsy signed her rights away for? That's that's my question. So I'll be very interested to follow this. It does say as part of the lawsuit, she's asking for an emergency restraining order to basically silence this woman.

She's claiming that this woman continues to name drop her and posting content about her in the case. And there is a hearing to discuss the restraining order this week. Well, I hope that I hope that it goes in gypsy's favor because when you have a story like gypsies, I feel like gypsy should be the one capitalizing the most out of her situation. I mean, that's just the way just how I feel. I agree. All right, y'all, summer fun can get expensive. And when you have financial goals,

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Offer something new, something. The creator of Ashley Madison clearly had no morals, no values, integrity. And I put LOL in caps because if you know, you know. So he was offering something that was new and was nowhere else. And to their point, people are going to cheat regardless of access or whatever, like they're going to cheat. There are so many people that cheat. And so I feel like he did create a way to allow people to cheat in privacy and make money. So in that terms, if you're looking at exactly what this business was about, that makes sense to me. But obviously the lies and the unethical ways that they operated is a huge problem. And I don't agree with it, right? Like I don't agree with this business, but I understand

the model, right? Like it's not offered anywhere else. This is new. They don't see it anywhere and it's supposed to be a safe place to cheat, right? They were using bots, like not real people. They're breaching privacy clauses among other things. And then at the point that people are killing themselves, you've taken it too far. Why are you continuing this? Like that was sick to me. And to find out that the CEO of this was trying to attract younger girls, 18 and 19 year old girls, that's pedophilia. To me, that is so foul. Like we know things like Tinder, Hinge, you know,

all of those things can be used to cheat, right? Like just like Facebook, Instagram, like flirt, whatever. So I get what Ashley Madison was for, but it was disgusting. It's not like these people with high morals and standards created this because they were like, okay, we cheat on their wives, they cheat on their husbands, whatever, and then created this business, this safe space. It was like from start to finish, this entire business was so foul. But where I'm going to disagree is that this business owner that came up with this plan alleged in multiple on-camera interviews that there had never been any infidelity in their

marriage. There absolutely had. There were emails found to prove that that was true. He had his wife out here plastered on billboards promoting this business. And the entire business was basically based and capitalizing off of dishonesty and just a lack of moral character. And you're giving people a safe place to cheat, but no, the fuck you aren't, because you lied about this safe place,

because you also used, what do they say? Like basically clip art to at the bottom of the website, to say this website is protected, and they went through this whole thing of, oh, if you pay this fee, then we will delete your account as if you were never here. And none of that ever happened either.

So the entire business was a scam. Well, that's what I'm saying. Like if the right people, do I agree with the cheating and a safe place to cheat? No, I don't agree with that. But I understand from a business point, it's like this isn't offered anywhere. This is the first time someone's doing something like this.

If the right people did something like that, it could have been a very safe place, kind of like match.com or like farmers meat or whatever the fuck it is. You know what I mean? Like that, but, but a cheating version, right? Like, so like it could have been possible with the wrong people did this. So, so it's like an oxymoron had the right people done this business. It could have been a very successful safe place to cheat. But corrupt people started this

and corrupt people continue to do it. Disgusting. I mean, it's absolutely- Well, and I will just say, karma's a bitch. And when you do something and you start something wrong, the likelihood of it ending wrong is very high. I love the fact that all of this information was leaked on all of these people.

It should have never been a safe place. It is a risky behavior to cheat and there should never be an outlet to where you can go to hide identity. The whole thing about the fucking call center about where these wives would call to find out about these charges on their credit cards. And these call center people were trained to basically say you'll have to call back with your husband. And then after they call back with your husband, they say it's her multiple companies, and they'll erase the charge and that the wife doesn't have to worry about it. Like it's all deception.

Very wrong. Yeah, I mean, just morally, ethically, what is it? What did I write? Morally values integrity, all of that. It's so fucking foul. But I am so curious to know. I don't want a victim blame, right? Like that's not what I'm getting at. But at what point, if, if Elijah came to me and said, hey, I want to start this business where it's like safe for people to cheat, I'm questioning him. Like you couldn't convince me in any fucking world that he wasn't involved in this as well.

So I don't want to victim blame the wife because it's not, I don't feel like it's her fault, but I would, it would raise red flags and perk my ears up a little bit. It also is really concerning to me that these celebrities were on there. I actually didn't know what Ashley Madison was, even when the whole Snooki and Gianni scandal happened. I still didn't understand what it was. Or like, I thought Ashley Madison was a person. Like, I didn't understand that it was like a website that he went to and signed up for. So that was really interesting. Like whatever happened with that?

I only knew about it because I was following the Josh Dugger stuff. And that's how I found out about Ashley Madison. I didn't know that it had been around. I had never seen like any type of commercials or anything like that. That's the other thing, the marketing that went into it, where it was like everywhere.

I mean, they had it in multiple countries and just the marketing that went into it. I never saw commercials. I never saw billboards. I never saw anything. So the fact that people knew, how did people know about it if, I mean, they had marketing, so I don't understand.

I just want to comment on the wife thing that you said briefly as well. As a woman, if my husband came home and shared this business plan with me, you would not be able to convince me if my husband was thinking like this and providing a service for people to be able to sneakily get away with cheating.

You would never be able to convince me that my husband was not participating in shady behavior himself. That's what I just said. I literally just said if Elijah came to me and said, Hey, I want to do this. You couldn't convince me that he wasn't involved in that because you have to think like that. You know what I mean? And that's why you and I always say you can't bullshit bullshitters because at some point we we've already done our dirt. So when you try to turn around and do it on us, we already know you can't come to

me and say, Oh, I want to start this for other people. What, what is your involvement? At what point did you cheat to realize, Oh, this would be a good idea. Oh, that's exactly, exactly what it is. And I do think that because that business was so successful, it allowed for the owner of that business to have access to funds that maybe he didn't have before this business, which continued to allow him to do the shady behavior with this escort company.

I do wonder if the original CEO of this business, because they claim that it's still going. They claim that they still have millions of subscribers, and obviously I don't believe that in any way, shape, or form. But I wonder if he looks back and he's like, wow, if I would have done things the right way, this could have been such a lucrative, like it could have still been going on today if it was as secure as they claimed it was.

You know what I mean? Like if they would have just done real life, real shit, I wonder if he has any regrets there because I do think it would have been very successful, especially now in today's society where people are cheating on Instagram and getting caught or texting and getting caught or whatever. They would have a safe place to go if it was in fact safe. So I wonder if anyone will actually copy it.

You know what I mean? I want to know if anybody who's listening to this, if you've ever caught your husband or wife on Ashley Madison and what the fuck did you do? Last question that I have on this for you is what did you think about that family? Was it a religious family that was on the documentary? It was a, they were Christian bloggers, Christian family bloggers. Christian bloggers.

What did you think about that man? He was a con artist, plain and simple. I mean, from start to finish, even when he was starting to talk about his remorse and like he regretted it and this, that and the third, I don't, I didn't believe him. I didn't believe a single word that came out of that man's mouth. I didn't either. And at the point that he, so when the stuff was leaked, I guess it was on Twitter, now X, but Twitter then his name was leaked and they were in the airport At the point that he said that he had never like done anything with anyone.

You're lying. Because why did you stay on it then? You wouldn't be here if you did nothing with anyone. So what exactly are you doing? Because are you just doing this to like buy time and have conversations with women? I just don't feel like that's logical. So here's also the thing too, like the people that are seeking out, because I understand, and not that it's okay. I'm not saying that I agree with this. So please don't fucking twist my words. I'm not saying that when you meet someone in real life, in real time, and you know, an affair

happens, I'm not saying that's okay. But I understand it, right? Like I understand it more than seeking it out at the point that you're seeking it out. Why didn't why didn't you just go try to meet people in real life? Or like calling a company because an escort is probably not going to try to ruin your life because they're having money to be they need to make money. You know what I mean? Like, why not to go that route?

Well, this Christian blogger guy, he was saying that he eventually had to come clean that basically their entire marriage, even before they were married, was all a scam and that he had gone to these massage parlors and whatever. So to me, you can't convince me that he did not meet up with anybody from Ashley Madison. Well, I think it turned out that he did. Did it say that? That he did? Because he originally said, you know, I was it turned out that he did. Did it say that? That he did?

Because he originally said, I was on it, but I never met up with them. And then round two went around where he was getting called out. And then it was like, okay, there's more I need to tell you. So I think it ended up being that he- Actually did. Yeah. I just, I could not imagine to your point saying,

things do happen in life and not that it makes it okay. I believe I would be able to accept the situation better if happened to me, if it was in an organic situation versus like seeking it out on a website. It's kind of like premeditated. Yeah, like, I think, I don't know that I could get through infidelity today in my life. I would be better off by myself at this point, you know. However, that being said, I think that I could move on if I knew that it wasn't intentional. But when I know that you sought it out, and it was intentional, I think that would be where I have a harder time moving past it. Absolutely. I

100% agree. But I have also said if cheating occurs, it's done. Yeah, I'm done. Cheating. I don't know how I feel like I say that but I also feel like when you're married to someone for 20 years, how is cheating not I go back and forth with this? Like, how do you cheat? How do you not cheat? Like, why are we married? Why are we not like there's just so now where I'm at June 2024, I feel like after you've been with someone for 20 years, I could see why someone would cheat. We're not meant to be monogamous. We don't need to go down that rabbit hole again. But that's my take right now.

Oh, are we going down that rabbit? I changed three months from now I might have a very different but like life happens So I I get it No if I have put up with your ass for 20 fucking years and you decide to go out and Dip your stick in somebody else You don't even want to know the things that I have to say that I would do. Yeah, I mean I get that too I also get that I just and I would, I wish that I was old enough to have

asked my grandparents these questions before they passed. Because I wasn't really interested to see, like, not that I would hope that my grandfather or my grandmother like had affairs or anything, but I would just have loved to know like, what was that dynamic like? And what was it like? Did you guys have affairs? Did you know about them? Did you not know about them? Because they died in love. Like, my grandparents loved each other, loved each other to death, literally. So I would have been curious to know like how that, you know about them? Did you not know about them? Because they died in love. Like, my grandparents loved each other, loved each other to death, literally. So I would have been curious to know like how that, you know what I mean? So my mom's parents have been married for my whole life, her whole life, whatever. And I was just having the conversation with her the day before yesterday. She was talking about how simple of a life that they live. And I said, there's something

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On that note, foul play. Hey girls, let me just say I love your podcast. I always used to die laughing at my mom's past drunk stories with her friends and how people have peed in a piano seat in the corner of the room. You name it. I always wondered how people have peed in a piano seat in the corner of the room. You name it. I always wondered how people could do that. It only took me 20 years to find out. I was invited to a bachelorette party

since I was a bridesmaid for an absolute nightmare of a bride. Demanding how much we were to spend that it was at least going to be close to $2,000. Whatever, I did it because I wanted the friendship. Weeks leading up to it, her sisters are messaging all the bridesmaids, making sure we are aware

to bring enough money for us to drink and pay for the bride. Quote, she shouldn't have to pay for a thing, we were told, end quote. Even though we paid for the room in Atlantic City, her gifts and everything else, I had my own wedding coming up just three months after hers.

Keep in mind, she picked her date after me. So I was a little nervous about money. Drinks in Atlantic City are pricey. I figured I'll get myself a little bottle pregame before and all my money will go to buying the bride drinks at the club. The trip was so uncomfortable. I kept taking shots while getting ready. We make it to dinner and it all hits me. I puked at the dinner table. It flies all into my

friend's drinks. I'm puking walking out of the restaurant and definitely splatter on some guests leaving. They tell me they're going to take me back to the room and then go out. So we pull up to the hotel. I run upstairs to the room somehow ahead of them. I go to pee and as I, as I'm peeing, they walk in. I was peeing on the Ottoman vanity to the vanity. I go pee and as I'm peeing, they all walk in. I was peeing on the Ottoman to the vanity. Oh my fucking God. The toilet was in the little room all by itself and the ottoman was fucking white plastic. Of course, the whole rest of the wedding event,

everyone was whispering about me peeing on the damn ottoman. It was beyond embarrassing, especially the groom. He was such a prick. I understand I got blackout drunk, but I wanted the bride to have a good night. It's okay, little does he know, the bride ended up getting blackout drunk after me and cried to the rest of the group

that the other bride made fucked a guy she liked literally a week before your wedding and you cry for four hours about a past dude. I also found out from my best guy friend that the groom went to a strip club before his bachelor party and full on vagina wrapped around his neck. The bride has no clue. I kind of feel like it's all karma for how horrible she treated all of us bribes means. Okay, this is exactly why I hate the idea of bachelor and bachelorette parties. Not only is it a huge financial expense that I feel like most people just do not budget for for that. $2,000 is a lot of money to spend on possibly just a weekend trip. Also I believe if you want to buy the bride drinks after doing the gift and stuff, maybe

it should have been a pool of money where it's like, okay, I'm giving $20 or $30 to this, you're doing that and whatever, and then you just give the bride money and that's what she has to buy drinks off of. Anything outside of that would be on her. I don't I don't know. I hate this whole fucking story. I mean, first of all, I'm never having if I ever get married again, I'm not having bridesmaids. So it sounds for what like what is the purpose of having like it's not about anyone but you. So if you want to have this big celebration, if you want to have this big wedding, then

you and the groom stand up there by yourselves and go about your business. There's no reason to have bridesmaids. For what? Maybe it is just- Have honorary bridesmaids. But maybe it's just our age and phase of life and the fact that we already have children and also we've both already been married before that we have a different perspective on that because I wouldn't do, I never even did a full blown shebang anyway, but I still wouldn't do it the second time. And I think that it just causes chaos that's completely unnecessary.

The peeing in the corner thing, I feel like it happens to a lot of people. It happened to me on a college spring break. I didn't do it. Another girl with our group did do it. And I just don't know what's going through these people's head. I understand that you're drunk, but like at what point does a suitcase or an ottoman look like a toilet? Like you need to go to the hospital if you're that drunk.

I haven't ever been that drunk, so I can't ever, like I can't speak to it. So I have no idea. I just, I don't like this whole story. Okay. Next foul play. So I dated this guy who lived about an hour from me for about six months.

I broke it off with him because he couldn't let go of his ex. When I broke it off, he continued to call and text to the point that I blocked him. He started calling from unknown numbers at this point. Then one evening I was out and when I returned home, my carport had bitch written on it.

I knew right away it had to be his psycho ass I continued up the walk to my front door and what greets me a pile of human shit Yes, human shit. He took a shit on my welcome mat and left a note on the door that said hope you like what I left you I Was like that asshole then I thought there's no tissue out here. This motherfucker done shit on my porch and didn't even wipe his nasty ass. I trashed the mat and the shit and thankful that I dropped his crazy ass.

Hope my foul play brings a laugh to you gals. I'm so glad that she didn't stay with him. Could you imagine what she would have been in for if she would have stayed with that man? Have you ever heard the saying, you don't know someone until you divorce them or until you like break up with them? No, I've never heard that. But wow, that makes so much sense. It makes a lot of sense, right? Like the fact that she was with somebody that had the capacity

to go and drop draws and shit on her front porch. He needed to check himself, find a bed in some mental institution. Number one, number two, do you remember back in the day when people used to like light dog shit on fire and ring your doorbell and run? Like what happened to that? I don't, people got ring cameras. If someone, I have cameras at my house. If someone shit on my doorstep, I'm literally suing, not suing, I'm pressing charges

and I hope you get a felony. Cause is that not like bodily fluids? I know spitting is bodily fluids. It's a felony. Maybe it has to be on your person. Oh, I guess it would be conferring. Maybe it's not a felony if it's in your apartment. Maybe it's vandalism, like a misdemeanor, but now I'm going to take you through the

ranger because you're not doing human shit near my house. What is the thought process that's going through somebody's head that's just like, okay, I'm going to blow her up and call her from all these, you know, this unknown or like random numbers and she's not going to answer. So I'm going to wait and probably stalk her until I know that she's not home to give me enough time to write bitch on her carport and drop my draws and shit on her porch. You know that pussy was and on that note, thank you guys for always supporting our show. Please subscribe and review on the Apple podcast app follow and rate on Spotify or listen wherever you get your podcast. Do not forget to follow us on Instagram and

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