Coffee Convos with Kail Lowry and Lindsie Chrisley - Am I a Chihuahua?!

Episode Date: February 29, 2024

CC336: If Lindsie and Kail were dogs, which breed would they be? Two people have mentioned Chihuahua and Kail doesn't know how to feel about it. Lindsie gives the latest updates on the mother-daughter... who were raped during a Carnival cruise. Lindsie also brings up a story on a funeral home getting busted for improper care of dead bodies (don't ask us how Lindsie finds these stories..)Foul Play stories this week include spicy vibrators, and farting in a VERY inconvenient time. Check out our Instagram @coffeeconvospodcast for more! Thank you to our sponsors! Better Help: This episode is brought to you by BetterHelp. Visit BetterHelp.com/coffee today to get 10% off your first month The Farmer’s Dog: Get 50% off your first box, plus free shipping at TheFarmersDog.com/coffeeconvos Kiwico: Get 50% off your first month on ANY crate line at kiwico.com/COFFEE Progressive: Visit progressive.com to learn more!

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Starting point is 00:00:00 I hate gift giving and receiving. Receiving gifts is so weird. What do you say, thank you? This is Coffee Convos with Kale Lowry and Lindsay Chrisley. I really want you to be in your feels, Kale. That does not interest me whatsoever. I feel very attacked by you. A spirited discussion about motherhood, friendship,
Starting point is 00:00:16 family, and life in the public eye. I'm just not with the fakery anymore. There's a fakery bakery around here. Here's Kale and Lindsay. Are we recording? Yeah. Good morning and welcome back to Coffee Combo's podcast. Good morning Kailin. Good morning. I'm just trying the Dream Float, the new one by Elani. I don't like it. I love it. Do you like cream sickles? Yes. I hate a cream sickle, like more than anything.
Starting point is 00:00:48 Or like the push pops, aren't they cream sickles? I don't like push pops. I'm pretty sure they're cream sickles too. And I absolutely hate those. It's like the last things in the fridge that I would get, like only if I was like starving for a popsicle. Yes. Imagine starving for a popsicle.
Starting point is 00:01:04 I was watching this video of things that like Americans say that's different from the British and I was howling last night laying in my bed by myself and they said they showed pictures of these popsicles and it's like Americans call them popsicles and the British call them lollipops and I just wonder like why everything makes more sense in the UK. They also, Australians call, I have a girlfriend who is in Australia and she has three children and she said that they call them nappies and I have diapers. She was like, you have several more years in nappies. Wait for their diapers are called nappies. What?
Starting point is 00:01:50 Elijah yesterday got confused in Australian accent with a British accent. And I was like, I know that you have bourbon outside the country, but damn. But really quickly, before we get into today's episode, I just wanted to ask you, what type of breed of dog do you think you are and what type of breed do you think that I am? And then I'm going to tell you what Elijah and Kristen said about me in unison in two different places at the same like literally at the same time. I think that I am a weenie dog. A what? A weenie dog. Why? They're mean. I know. Well, let me clarify because I know all the doxin lovers are going to attack me, but when I was in pet grooming and I was the animal bather, doxins were mean. Okay. I grew up with them and our doxins were not mean.
Starting point is 00:02:40 Like, my mom had them always. She was a Dachshund lover. And we had this one Dachshund name buddy that I actually saved from the flea market. And- The flea market? Yeah, and if anybody is from the South, they're gonna like very much relate to this. Like in your small town, you typically have a flea market
Starting point is 00:03:01 and you can buy like a booth or a table and go there and sell stuff and all the local people come and they have like a pet part they have a part where you can find like all like the latest gadgets like fidget spinners and like all the things that are like popular. So this is like our Amish markets. Do they have like rugs and stuff too? Yeah, because the Amish market that we have, like people can get boosts and do the same thing. So it's probably a flea market too. But I know it. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. So it's kind of like, it sounds similar to that. And I was always a pet lover growing up. I don't know
Starting point is 00:03:42 what happened like, in my older part of my life, but I always wanted pets and specifically dogs. So I always wanted to go to the park that had the animals at the flea market and you could go in and see. There was breeders there, but then there were also people there that were selling or giving away dogs
Starting point is 00:03:59 that happened by accident. So this one little dog I saw, I could not get over him. He was actually a Chowini. He was not like a standard Doxin. And I wanted him so bad, I cried and cried and cried. So my mom finally went and got her checkbook and she was like, fine, we'll just like get the dog. So we get the dog, bring it home,
Starting point is 00:04:23 and a couple of days it starts shitting blood everywhere. And I was scared. And I was like, Oh God, he's going to get in trouble. So I'm just going to like clean it up and not say anything. But then like this happened a couple of times and it was like blood and mucus. And so I finally told my mom, I was like something, something's wrong with buddy, like we've got to get him help. Do you know that this dog probably was like $200 at the flea market ended up spending at least that a day for an entire week on vet bills because the dog had some virus called coxidia and almost died and I was so connected to him and he was
Starting point is 00:05:00 So sweet we had other Winnie dogs before that. They were the sweetest dogs ever to mischievous but sweet. So I don't understand like this mean thing that we need dogs get like, it might just be at the it just might be at the groomer. Like it might just like personally, when I worked in the grooming salon, didn't have good experiences with Dobermans. I fucking loved Dobermans. Like Doberman and typically Rottweilers have like a bad rap there. Like there was never really Rottweilers that were
Starting point is 00:05:30 like good for me there but I've only had like real good experiences without Rottweilers. So I think it really just depends. Also like I have King Corsos and Buddha hates getting his nails done but he's the sweetest dog on the planet. So like he's not going to be nice to someone doing his nails. You know what I mean? You know, it's so weird. You have never complained to me about Buddha, but your other dogs. I used to hear about all the time. Because Buddha is a saint.
Starting point is 00:05:56 He's literally an angel on this earth and he's bare reincarnated and then also something extra. I don't know. I love it. So you're a meaner dog. So you're a doxin. You think you're a doxin and you think you're a doxin, and what do you think I am?
Starting point is 00:06:07 Cause I'm certainly not a golden retriever. No, I don't think you're a golden retriever, I think you're a raw wiler. Bad rap, sweet in real life, literally is what you just told me. Yeah. Okay, I'll take that. Kristen and Elijah, so I was on the phone with Kristen. Elijah was on the phone with his best
Starting point is 00:06:26 friend. Literally, first of all, shout out to twist he faced cold face times. Elijah was like, what type of dog do y'all think y'all are? And he's country as hell. And we're like, what? And I was like, what Kristen, what type of dog do you think I am? And in unison, Elijah is on the couch, Kristen's on the phone, and they're like, you're a Chihuahua. And I'm like, me? I'm a Chihuahua? Wait, but explain why they think that.
Starting point is 00:06:50 I'll all bark, no bite. I don't know. Like truly I have no fucking clue. But I don't think you're all bark, no bite. No, I'm bite. Yeah. You're like an ankle biter. Don't ask Christian because,
Starting point is 00:07:01 oh, let me see if she's in the chat. She's probably not paying attention to my dumb ass. I need an explanation as to like why they think that no bite. No bite. Just want really wants love. I can't y'all to be fair. Kristen's favorite, like most loved animal is her chawa was her chawa her late chawa. So I feel like very loved by this. Yeah. Yeah. Kristen says, no bite just really wants love loves to be with her people takes a shit ton of abuse. I mean, it's a bad rap. I get it. Chawa was listen, nobody start coming for us for
Starting point is 00:07:43 saying stuff about like breeds of dogs because I really don't care what you have. Chihuahuas, eyes freak me out. I haven't, the only Chihuahuas I've truly been around are Christians. They're like bulgy and stuff. I don't really remember Chihuahuas coming into the grooming salon very much. Like I really, I really don't. What's there really to groom?
Starting point is 00:08:02 Right. And so unless they're like a lot, well, I guess nails because because I was a bather, I also did anal glands and nails. So yeah, I remember that story. Anyway, moving on. Wait, I have to show you this before we move on from from dogs. I get a text from Jackson last night whenever I was recording for the Southern Tea and normally I don't record late at night ever for anything. And so it typically was a time that I would talk to him but he sends a text mom please call. And I'm like this could not be good.
Starting point is 00:08:39 This is the photo I get after the bomb police call. Do you see Georgia? Is she full of mud and just like a mess? No. Will, I'm going to show you another photo in a second. The dogs are coming to my house on Thursday because Will is now traveling more for work. Did I tell you this? No. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:09:04 So he took another position with work and he is now going to be traveling a lot more. So our schedule is not going to be as consistent as what it once was and we're just like trying to figure out that situation. So his parents live like an hour and 45 minutes away and I told him I was like, it doesn't really make sense for your parents to have to like drive to get the dogs or for you to drive to take them to them just send the dogs to my house with Jackson kind of solves a lot of problems. So I go and drop off an Amazon package at Will's I see come to the door was this. Oh. I screamed. I see Diana at the grooming salon, that wasn't me.
Starting point is 00:09:52 I screamed. Like wait, because I thought it looked like a skunk that like was coming out. The tail has not been touched at all. It's just like, and I'll post a photo of this for you guys, but it's like a large fluffy tail on Della. And then the rest of the body is skin. And because of her aging, the front part of her face is turning white. So she legitimately looked like a skunk. So then I get the mom, please call text from Jackson and then the photo of Georgia. And I'm
Starting point is 00:10:23 like, what the fuck is your dad doing over there? So I send Will a text after I get like wrapped up with everything and I'm like, Hey, what are you doing? Cause I didn't really want to like, He's like, explaining the dog. Narc on Jackson to be like, I got this photo of the dogs looking crazy and he just texts me back and he goes, sorry, I was sleeping when you text. Well, you must have got fucking exhausted from using those clippers. But oh, he did it. He did it. Oh my God. Will, what are we doing here?
Starting point is 00:10:54 He did it. And I need to know how many other people feel comfortable like shaving and clipping their own dogs. Like I would be terrified. Like I don't clip my own hair so I'm not gonna clip my own dogs. I will say this just with experience I it's the most inconvenient errand I guess or like responsibility to take your dog to and from the groomer or to and from you know wherever you have to get their nails done and stuff so if there's a mobile groomer if you're thinking about getting a dog and you have look up mobile groom done and stuff. So if there's a mobile groomer, if you're thinking about getting a dog and you have a look up mobile groomers that come to your house,
Starting point is 00:11:28 because that is the like just absolute convenience. When I had a mobile groomer when Georgia was over here, the best part is they just show up at your door and you send the dog out and then they get finished and they send her back in. Yep, because it's just, it's so easy. And like even with my dog bath, if they needed to, they could bathe my dogs right here in this dog bath
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Starting point is 00:13:17 Okay. So tell me what you were going to tell me before I had to continue. Well, so remember last week when you were telling me about the women on the cruise that went on their mother getaway? Yes. So... I have updates for that by the way. Good.
Starting point is 00:13:31 I was gonna ask you. Also, because that was on a Carnival cruise, if I remember correctly. So me just doing my little internet scrolling, I come across an article about Carnival, which I have never, I don't think I've ever done Carnival. I did one cruise and it was Symphony of the Seas, which I think is like the biggest ship in the world or like was the biggest ship. Anyway, it says, Carnival cancels a woman's ticket
Starting point is 00:13:58 and refused to refund her because she was 26 weeks pregnant. Wait, what? So I wanted to get your thoughts on this. So, okay, I know from being pregnant so many times, I've looked into cruises as an option when friends didn't have passports, passports were expired, et cetera, et cetera. So I knew from looking up that, you know,
Starting point is 00:14:20 there are limits to getting on cruise ships when you're pregnant, like how far along you can be and things like that. Okay. Do we give this woman some grace for her not knowing? Because I mean, we know as adults, like we're in our 30s. Now people don't read it could be blatantly in red, bold lettering across the fucking screen and people still don't listen. They don't read they don't. Also, we don't know if
Starting point is 00:14:42 this was a gift. Maybe someone gifted it to her and she didn't think anything of it. It's 26 weeks. Not saying it doesn't happen, but it's less likely than 36 weeks. I could see what... You don't want to refund her. Can you give her a credit for a later time? I can't understand why Carnival would not refund her. I can't understand why Carnival would not refund her. So there's two sides of this, right? Because if we were Carnival owners, we would be like, well, the disclosure's there and that was your fault
Starting point is 00:15:14 and now you're costing us not only time, but like we don't want to deal with this. I can understand that from like a business perspective, but from a consumer perspective, if she booked a ticket, she really didn't know about it, thought she was gonna be able to go, and then can't go because of the policy, you would think that it would kind of be
Starting point is 00:15:34 like a voucher type situation where whatever the value of her ticket was, she could use on another cruise after she's not pregnant anymore. Right. So it says, um, Robin booked a three day cruise around Australia for her daughter as a birthday gift. Um, but she was denied boarding because she was more than 24 weeks pregnant. You would think the rules are the same as flying is what it's,
Starting point is 00:16:02 that's what she said. She said, you'd kind of think that the rules are the same for cruising as it is for flying which does make sense to me yeah that does make sense I don't most airlines allow pregnant passengers to fly up to 36 weeks along so in that in that regard because it was again it was gifted so you're not thinking to check also if I I mean I have seven, and I would think that too. If I didn't know because I looked it up, you would think that, okay, if you can fly at the airline's
Starting point is 00:16:33 discretion up to 36 weeks, you would think it would be the same for cruising. But I will say on the flip side of that, you're on a flight for a short time, not necessarily for three days. Well, I was gonna say, maybe they're not confident in the proper medical care being on the necessarily for three days. So... Well, I was going to say, maybe they're not confident in the proper medical care being on the water for, you know, three days. I don't really know. I'm just saying there's two sides of the coin on that. There's the business side of it and then the consumer
Starting point is 00:16:55 side. And I can see both and policy is policy, unfortunately. Well, she said that. But I didn't know that this woman was like trying to get on the ship and then was denied access. I didn't know that it went that far. Yeah. And then it says that she spent $2,000 Australian dollars, which is like 1300 American. And Carvel told her she would not receive a refund. So I just don't know. Okay. So this was their statement. Crew ships are not equipped with facilities to deal with prenatal and early infant care. The policy is outlined on both the Carnival website and within the crew's contract.
Starting point is 00:17:31 But Carnival declined to comment for this story. I don't know, I just feel like, hey, I know this was a gift. I'm so sorry that you were gifted at this time. Here's a voucher. Like that's the, who knows, they might never book again. And then it's like, you still got the money. So I just feel like in that regard, because it was a gift, I just feel like it's one of those things that, you know, just, I don't know, I feel like it's a negative press. I feel like a voucher should have been the remedy
Starting point is 00:17:58 for that situation all together. For sure. Like that would have been an easy fix. Speaking of travel though, and then I'm going to give you these updates on the women from the Bahamas situation. I have been watching all of these TikToks and it's freaking me out. And I don't know if it's because I live in Atlanta that it's like pulling all of this stuff, but it's all these Delta flights like having these problems and having to go back. I haven't seen it at all. So it must be because you're in Atlanta.
Starting point is 00:18:24 I haven't seen it at all. You it must be because you're in Atlanta. I haven't seen it at all. You haven't seen any of these TikToks? So it's like, what is it, the people that talk? Like air traffic control? Oh, mm-hmm. It's like them, and then they are talking to the people on the plane, and there were multiple flights coming from Atlanta,
Starting point is 00:18:44 and it was Delta flights. And one of them was like our engines down like we're coming back and they were, it was showing like the map of them traveling around and then the release of the audio of them talking to air traffic control. They were saying like how many people were on the flight? Was there any infants?
Starting point is 00:19:08 Was there any pregnant people? Like all of this stuff. And I've never seen TikToks or anything like this about any of this stuff before. And then they just automatically started showing up on my feed. I mean, flip side to this too. It's like, it's scary scary but it's also like at
Starting point is 00:19:26 least they have good air traffic controllers and communicators and people who are paying attention to the things that they need to be paying attention to so that they do come back and they don't go too far or whatever at least they're returning safely but it's also scary because with all of that happening what if someone what if something does get missed? That's scary. I was freaking out laying in my bed watching this. I was like, oh, God, please say that you have.
Starting point is 00:19:50 I mean, I was invested. I was like, oh, God, lady, please say that you have enough fuel to get back. Like how far did you guys make it? This is absolutely terrifying. Just please tell me also, like why the main engine of the plane just went out? And could you imagine being a person on that flight?
Starting point is 00:20:09 Oh, by the way, like our engine went out. No. I would hyperventilate. I watched a, I don't know if I would call it a conspiracy theory. I think it's just something that they were exploring. I watched this video about, um, allegedly video about allegedly they found like radio frequency evidence and a body that could have been Amelia Earhart and her co-pilot. And there was like evidence that she her plane went down and like part of it went in the water. And so when the water like, when the tide went out,
Starting point is 00:20:46 she was able to like turn the radio on to like try to send for help. And then when the water would like come back up, she wouldn't be able to like ask for help. And so they would go, I don't know, I'll send you the video if I can go back and find it. But similar to that, it's like, did you run out of fuel?
Starting point is 00:21:01 Like what happened? One time, many, many moons ago, I dressed up as Amelia Earhart for school. Oh, okay. I love that for you. I love that you love that for me. Okay, so I have updates on the mother's assaulted on the cruise. Okay. So I'm just gonna give you like, run by run of what I read and then what I watched. So it was said that the women took a shuttle from their carnival cruise to the Pirate's Cove Beach
Starting point is 00:21:31 getaway where they received two for one drinks. They were allegedly looking for seashells and the video was a little unclear that I watched. If there was two, I said possibly three employees of the resort were involved. And then there were photos, I believe it was News Nation had photos of these women's legs with significant amount of bruising like on their feet and all up and down their legs. They said that they were denied access to carnival doctors or a US doctor and that they were not given a rape kit and that they were told to use the bathroom and the toilet paper was collected as a specimen.
Starting point is 00:22:16 The carnival crews and the resort have come out saying that these women basically made this story up. They released a statement that there are 16 cameras that are located around the beach facility and the cameras did not line up with a story that the women were sharing. They reviewed all of the footage and then turned it over to local authorities. A couple of timestamps that I think are important in this story is according to the resort that women arrived at the resort at 8 a.m. from the Carnival Cruise and at 8 24 a.m. they were greeted by the staff. They also said
Starting point is 00:22:51 at 9 40 a.m. one of these women met up with one of the accused on the beach and by 10 0 6 a.m. they claimed that the camera shows the woman was walking arm in arm with one of the accused on the beach where the incident occurred. The resort said that they did provide emergency medical services, but the women declined it and also signed a waiver and that they were given rape kits to bring on to the cruise ship, which was a little odd to me. I don't know if that is because they denied the emergency medical care that they just gave those to them. I'm not really sure about that. It was a little unclear. But there was toxicology done and they tested
Starting point is 00:23:32 for very little alcohol in their system, so little that it wouldn't even be considered drunk by standards. But they did test positive for cocaine, meth, and benzos. So I wanna get your thoughts on. Let me Google something really quick because I don't know how long those types of things stay in your system. So how long does meth stay in your system? God, I hope no one ever subpoenas my phone. It says help is available and doesn't give me an answer.
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Starting point is 00:25:51 Just go to thefarmersdog.com slash coffee combos to get 50% off. That's thefarmersdog.com slash coffee combos. So video footage of one of the women walking hand in hand on the beach with one of the accused Doesn't sway my opinion either way other than confirming and corroborating the story that they were being taken to CC shells Okay, there's nothing to me. There's nothing wrong with that Where I have a problem and where I'm concerned I guess is okay
Starting point is 00:26:22 So you're telling me these women made this up for what was their end game here, okay? And then also, where did the bruises come from then? That was my biggest thing because, and I will make sure that this video that I watched and all the photos I saw and everything is posted to the Instagram and Facebook pages, but where would the bruises come from? These were very significant bruising. This was not like, Oh, she knocked her kneecap on a dresser.
Starting point is 00:26:53 Like this was like, Oh, I'll, I'll bring, I'll put these bruises on myself for proof. Like these were not good. These were really ugly bruises. Also, Benzo's meth and cocaine, that's a crazy combination. I don't know that a mother's getaway, these two moms. Like are they really gonna do that themselves? Like they're just, the two of them
Starting point is 00:27:16 are just gonna take those drugs on their own? I just feel like- If you and I went on a cruise together or any type of vacation together as a mom trip and you said, hey, let's take these drugs and fake a rape or something, I would be like, have you lost your fucking mind? I would call Chris on you if you did that. You're like, take the kids away right now.
Starting point is 00:27:40 Yeah, like this bitch has lost her mind. I can't imagine two moms just deciding to go on a mom trip and then doing that. Like I just, that doesn't see, and then like, it's one of those things where it's like, what is it, the only secrets that are kept is when one of the people is dead. Like, one of them is bound to crack and I just can't imagine like two people and you're hoping that that person doesn't tell the truth and then I'm hoping, and they're hoping that I don't tell the truth.
Starting point is 00:28:08 Like I just, that doesn't feel right to me. Like I just don't think that that makes sense. The bruising that I saw from the photos from the legs looks consistent with assault. Yeah. My concern is for what reasons did they deny the medical attention and sign a waiver to deny the medical attention?
Starting point is 00:28:33 Because I don't know, maybe it's when you are actively in that situation, maybe you're scared and maybe they were just like waiting to get back on the cruise ship to try to get help. And that's why they didn't want to have the medical attention there at their resort, but they signed a waiver. The nurse that treated them said, quote, it was bad. I'm traumatized from it and deal with and I deal with things like this. She says, you can't make up puking everywhere and trembling and being scared to death. That's not something that you just make up.
Starting point is 00:29:08 I don't believe that these women, I don't know them from Adam, right? But just based off of the facts that we do know and what they have said, I don't believe this is made up. No, I think carnival and whatever resort this is, they're trying to save face because the press that you would get from this and the essentially PR crisis that you're getting from this is you're gonna try to save face.
Starting point is 00:29:32 There's no fucking way. You can't convince me otherwise. I just, when there's proof or one of these women cracks, I don't think they made it up. And I would believe that this resort and carnival would try to cover tracks because if that is like a normal stop where carnival stops, then they're making a lot of money off of tourists there. And they're going to think twice before wanting this to be out because people are going to think twice about booking that cruise. So yeah, I would
Starting point is 00:30:01 agree with you. I just can't. And the men that were accused of this are still being held by Bohemian authorities. They also were fired because of an alleged no-tolerance policy. Well, if you have a no tolerance policy and they were fired, then isn't that un-said admission that something did in fact happen? This is why rape victims and sexual assault victims, and I hate even using the word victims, this is why they don't come forward because they're not believed and they're treated like they're the problem and I just can't like wrap my head around that. 100%. It is honestly scary to me that a big company like Carnival, if they're trying to cover tracks like this, that is
Starting point is 00:30:59 absolutely terrifying. Somebody sent me a message saying that there were, you know, other travel advisories for other countries too. I mean, obviously, I was just saying on the last episode that if you are traveling, a lot of things like this are not predictable things, you know, anything can happen anywhere. Yeah. And I don't believe that this was like any type of gang-related activity that would have been a part of the travel advisory to the Bahamas in the first place. Right. However, I do still stand by, you need to do your research before you go traveling somewhere and also this makes me absolutely terrified to even do a girl's trip. Like I told you, I don't travel by myself.
Starting point is 00:31:46 I will not travel by myself. And unless I know that I was going somewhere like super, super safe and secluded, like I'm not gonna choose to go to a resort out of the country with a bunch of girls. I've heard too many things. Would I maybe go to an Airbnb in Florida with a bunch of girls, like in a controlled environment
Starting point is 00:32:08 where we weren't around other people? Yes, but at a resort in another country, I've just heard too many things happen. It's, I mean, it's scary to think about. I do travel alone. I've taken the kids to Mexico by myself. No nanny, no help, no nothing. So I fully understand what's going on.
Starting point is 00:32:31 But my question to you, now that you have a daughter, do you have different concerns for her that you would have for your boys? I guess I haven't thought about that yet, just because she's still so little, but now that you've brought it up, I think that that's something that I, and I hate that it's a double standard, right? Like I hate that I could, I feel like I could trust, you know, Lincoln or Lux, even Isaac
Starting point is 00:32:55 really. I mean, I know Isaac, because Isaac is a softy at heart too. I do feel like they would be less targeted than my daughter. And knowing that my daughter will wanna go on girls trips or wanna go on a senior trip, like that double standard is like, how do you even explain it? Like you can't,
Starting point is 00:33:13 cause you don't wanna like conform to it, but like you also wanna protect your kids. So like, what does that even look like? It's so crazy. So remember the Natalie Holloway case? Yeah. So that was like very, very widely talked about whenever I was in high school.
Starting point is 00:33:33 And because of that, my parents were like, you are not going anywhere out of the country on any senior trip. Like we will take you somewhere, but you aren't going with friends anywhere because anything can happen. And I used to get so pissed at my parents for being helicopters.
Starting point is 00:33:53 Like, why won't you let me go here? Like everybody's going here. Everybody's doing this stuff. But now looking back on it, and once I became a parent, I don't think until I became a mom, did I understand the fear because I had never loved in that capacity. And then once I became a mother, I'm like, okay, now I understand why they felt the way
Starting point is 00:34:17 they felt and they didn't want me going to do any of these things. It was for protection of myself and they were protecting me as my parents, that's your job. I just felt like it was a bit extreme, but now when I read all of these news stories being a parent myself, I'm like, okay, that all totally makes sense and why they would make those decisions. Right.
Starting point is 00:34:39 Yeah, no, I- What is the line though? What is the line? Like what is too much and what is like not enough? I'm thinking of like a senior trip and I'm like I'll be at the hotel two doors down. Like I'll be in the hotel. I won't let your friends know I'm here but I will be in this hotel and that's for all my kids not just my daughter. Oh yeah. Um my did you guys ever go on like an eighth grade trip? No. Isaac went on a seventh grade trip to like an amusement park. So we went on
Starting point is 00:35:08 an eighth grade trip to Savannah, Georgia, and it was like an overnight thing, stayed in a hotel. And I'm shocked shitless that like my parents even let me go, but it was a part of our curriculum. So interesting. Yeah, we did this and we went to like these Civil War museums like all all different kinds of stuff in Savannah, Georgia and They allowed me to go but you better bet your ass that my dad was calling all of those teachers Up at that school finding out, you know, like how do we know that these girls are safe in these rooms? You know, they they put tape on the outside of the door so if it was broken, the teachers. They would know you slept out. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:35:48 Yeah, so it was very strict and nobody did anything bad. I don't know if they would have let me go on that trip had I been in high school though. Yeah, I guess I can see. Yeah, I mean, I went on, when I was in sixth grade, we went to this campground. We stayed in cabins and it was like- Wait, what?
Starting point is 00:36:06 Yeah. The campground. Yeah, it was like, I would imagine they did like summer camps there in the summertime, but there was like cabins and it was a really cool experience. Like as in sixth grade, like we got to go repelling off of a cliff, we got to do really cool stuff.
Starting point is 00:36:22 I don't know, I highly doubt they would ever allow schools around here to do something like that today. But it was a really cool field trip and it was overnight. It was really cool, but that was like in my near my hometown. So that was like a town of 4,000 people. Like, you know what I mean? Like it was such a small town. It was such a small like, and I don't remember how far away it was from the small, from like that hometown, but or how far away it is from that town. But it was not like Atlanta where it's like huge, you know? Or like, Savannah, Georgia, you know? So it was just a different times, I guess, different place.
Starting point is 00:37:00 I was just sitting with one of my girlfriends. Her son was baptized this weekend and I went to church and then like lunch with their family. It's kind of like my extended family. They're not really my family, but my chosen family. And went to lunch and they were talking about prom. And she was like, we're not having this conversation at this table right now. She was like, all I'm telling you is you're not driving to downtown Atlanta with your friends. We will have this conversation at a later time. Like I don't feel safe with
Starting point is 00:37:31 you. You guys have never really like driven roads like that. You've never been to the city of Atlanta without adults. You don't, you don't need to do that. We'll have the conversation later. And it made me think of my parents. I'm like, my parents did not let me do shit. And I'm like, is that why I'm still alive? I don't know because my mom didn't care and I was doing all kinds of shit and I'm alive. So I don't know.
Starting point is 00:37:59 I don't know. I always say that I live vicariously through all the things that you've done. Like I don't have to do them vicariously through all the things that you've done. I don't have to do them because I know about all the things that you have done. Yeah. I mean, we're both here. We're both thriving. So I don't know.
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Starting point is 00:40:12 And this is not new news, but I don't know if you've ever seen it was the first time that I ever saw it. And, um, the article that I found was from AP news and it says remains of at least 189 And the article that I found was from AP News. And it says, remains of at least 189 people were removed from Colorado funeral home up from 115 officials say. It says the remains of at least 189 people have been removed from a Colorado funeral home from an initial estimate of about 115 when the decaying and unproperly stored bodies were discovered.
Starting point is 00:40:47 The remains were found by authorities responding to a report of like the smell. And it was inside a decrepit building and it was about 100 miles south of Denver. All the remains were removed from the site, but officials say the number could change again as the identification process continues. It says the update count comes as family who did business with a funeral home grows increasingly concerned about what happened to their deceased loved ones. Local officials say they will again notifying family members in the coming days as the remains are identified. These people were doing some crazy shit. So it says that the owners of this funeral home had missed tax payments in recent months
Starting point is 00:41:38 and were evicted from one of their properties and were sued for unpaid bills by the crematory that quit doing business with them. And then after the odor was reported, then there was something going on about improper concealing of corpses. And there was some claims by taxidermy, like all kinds of stuff, right? So these people were doing like crypto and all kinds of shit.
Starting point is 00:42:13 Have you read this article? No, I'm disgusted because I just, first of all, there's so much money in funeral homes and that whole field because at some point everyone dies. So at some point everyone needs, whether you're cremated, whether you're buried in a casket, no matter what you have to, usually you have to use a funeral service, right? Of some sort, no matter what way out you choose. So there's so much money.
Starting point is 00:42:40 I can't, like this brings me back to everything that we talk about with like two murderers to psychopaths like finding like minded people that are just as corrupt as you is crazy because is there not at least one person that is right in their mind that's like hey this isn't right we need to correct this hey this isn't right that we need to do x y and z like I can't I don't it's hard for me to wrap my head around this. I was having a conversation with somebody like not too long ago about just funeral homes in general and they've always given me the heebie GBS. I mean, I don't like funerals.
Starting point is 00:43:16 I don't like dead anything. Gives me the heebie GBS, but but the fact that people can do stuff like this couple did, it said that these were eco-friendly funeral services, but the money was spent by this couple on cars, crypto, and designer jewelry while these bodies were rotting. Here's an idea. Sacrifice for the first little while of getting into your business. Pay your fucking business bills, and more money will come in while of getting into your business, pay your fucking business bills, and more money will come in so you can keep your business
Starting point is 00:43:48 and have designer items. Like, I don't understand how people don't get that. It says that they splurged on cryptocurrency, lavish trips to Las Vegas and California, and four figure spending sprees at Tiffany and Co and Gucci a GMC Yukon XL and an Infinity SUV But you could have that if you just like paid your bills and like did what you were supposed to do with your business You could have that tenfold you get my understanding
Starting point is 00:44:18 and I Always tell Jackson this all the time. I feel like kids do everything to try to like buck the system and get away with doing less, but they're actually doing more while thinking that they're doing less. I'm like the time that you spent trying to avoid doing that piece of homework, you could have just had it done,
Starting point is 00:44:42 gotten the grade and got gotten the grade, and... Moved on. Got the grade, like, that's it. Yeah. Like, all of the time that you spent trying to avoid doing that assignment, what are you doing? So it's like the same concept, right? Like, if you just do what you're supposed to do, and you're honest about it, this kind
Starting point is 00:45:04 of shit doesn't happen. Just like don't like you went through all of that schooling. You opened a business, a very lucrative business. Because people are always going to die. And you afforded yourself these luxuries that you would have had, like I said, tenfold if you just did what you were supposed to do. But now that went to shit because you're gonna have some criminal charges
Starting point is 00:45:28 and probably lose a business license, probably lose your license to run funeral homes. Like now you just walk up for what? The price of a goddamn Yukon XL and some Gucci, like you could buy knockoffs to hold you over until you get the real, like what? Like I- It's greed though. It's pure greed. There's nothing. There's no, there's
Starting point is 00:45:47 nothing else. There's no other explanation about it. But this to me is like a whole other issue because outside of greed, it's also like these families loved ones. Like this is like a whole other sick twisted part. These these involve like dead people's bodies. Yeah. So what type of moral compass like, do you have none? You have none. It's, it's disgusting to me. But I saw it come across on the Facebook page and I was like, what the actual fuck? Um, can you tell me if you watch lover stalker killer?
Starting point is 00:46:22 I did and it pissed me off. Okay, well tell me your thoughts. It pissed me off because like the documentaryer killer. I did and it pissed me off. Okay, well tell me your thoughts. It pissed me off because like the documentary was good. No, no shade to the documentary itself, but the whole the whole case pissed me off because I was just like, what the fuck? Like, I don't even have like I don't have words. I literally was like, first of all, could you have turned this into a book? You probably would have made way more money. That's number one. Also, is it a book because I'm gonna read it? You're like, I want to read it. But I kind of
Starting point is 00:46:51 had it figured out already. Like, Elijah and I watched it together. And I already had it kind of figured out. Wait, you did? I didn't. Yeah, I well, I read a lot of thriller novels. And I feel like nothing surprises me at this point. I know a lot of people in the Facebook group already said that they were watching it. So I think it's fair game to talk about it. If you haven't watched it already, skip over the next few parts because there's going to be some spoilers here. But there's one thing that kind of threw me off though. Do you think that Liz's boyfriend, who was the IT guys boss, do you think he was actually
Starting point is 00:47:26 more involved than they let on? Because you're an IT guy. I don't know. You know how to change IP addresses, how to block IP addresses. And out of all of the IP addresses that Liz was using, how would she have known to do that? That was the one thing that I was like, um... I just, I don't know.
Starting point is 00:47:48 I think just from the pure fact that that's what he did, that it's logical to assume or believe that he had more to do with it, right? But also if you are as sick in the head as what this woman was, I feel like there are no limits with people like that. So I wouldn't like count anything out. I wouldn't say that you would have to have a professional involved to do that.
Starting point is 00:48:16 I'm also just heartbroken for Carrie because this woman was for all intents and purposes, okay, yeah, she struggled with bipolar disorder, but that doesn't mean that someone is completely unhinged. Like, there are people who are walking around all around us, we have no idea they have bipolar disorder and they're, for lack of better words, as normal as anyone else. So I just feel like to drag Carrie's name and character and reputation through the mud, and this mother was so desperately trying to understand like why her daughter would just like disappear. And I don't know, it just, it was heartbreaking
Starting point is 00:49:01 because I'm like from the home videos that they showed of Carrie, she seemed like she was living her life the best she could with bipolar disorder. And so I would be curious to know how the fuck Liz was able to lure her into whatever to kill her. Like I need that part, I need to know.
Starting point is 00:49:20 I mean, I don't know, the Liz freaks me out. That shit fucking crazy. Like I hope that I never come across a fucking Liz because it made me scared that like somebody could lure me into something. I'm like, oh fuck. I would love to know that whole like, did you meet Carrie out? So what was the guy's name again? God fuck I had it written down. He was Dave?
Starting point is 00:49:46 Dave, yeah. Okay, so Dave went on a date with Liz pretending to be Carrie or he went on a date with Carrie as well. No, pretending. Okay, so I just wanted to make sure that I got that correct. So Liz pretends to be Carrie.
Starting point is 00:50:03 Dave goes out on a date with her, but it actually is Liz. And he doesn't find that out until later. That is so fucking terrifying to me. Could you just imagine, like, something's really going on upstairs, or like maybe there's not. But I feel like somebody like that,
Starting point is 00:50:19 that is that calculated, it's like there's so much going on up there. Like there would have to be an incredible amount of thinking. The crazy part to me too is that she could have gotten away with the murder. Not that I would have wanted her to, but had she not continued to stock date, it's not continued to do all the things that she would the crazy the texting, the emailing, the all of that shot herself. But it goes back to the theory that I said with Alec Murdoch, that people who get away with stuff,
Starting point is 00:50:53 it's like little by little, and then they continue to do something, and then something small trips them up. It's like that same mindset of, okay, now I'm invincible. So I'm gonna like keep pushing the envelope, keep pushing the envelope. Kind of like when gamblers are like, oh, I'll just gamble this one.
Starting point is 00:51:10 Like let me place this bet one more time. 100% One more time. And it's like, now you've lost all your money. You know, like you've lost it all. So I feel like that's the same type of like, okay, I'm gonna do this one more thing and see how far I can push it.
Starting point is 00:51:23 Well, now you've done that. I will see if it becomes an addiction. Yeah, because I mean, she truly could have gotten away, not that I'm going to do this one more thing and see how far I can push it. Well, now you've done that. I will do the constant addiction. Yeah, because I mean, she truly could have gotten away, not that I would want her to, because Carrie, the real Carrie's mother deserved all the peace and so did her son, really. Like, they all deserved the peace and knowing, you know, all of that. But, and then for Liz to have pictures of like body, dead body parts, and yeah, it was hard to make out, but she knew what she was doing.
Starting point is 00:51:44 She had those were like trophies to her and that's so disturbing to me. Again, like what is her diagnosis? Psychopath. Is it a psychopath? Or sociopath? I don't know. I don't know, but somebody needs to tell us.
Starting point is 00:51:59 If you guys have not watched this, you need to watch it. I was absolutely disturbed the whole time that I was watching it, but unlike you, I did to watch it. I was absolutely disturbed the whole time that I was watching it. But unlike you, I did not have it figured out. I was so confused the entire time. I think Elijah actually figured out before I did. He did? Yeah, because he said something and I looked at him
Starting point is 00:52:17 and I was like, what? And he's like, just let me know when you get it figured out. And I was like, oh, okay. Oh, I love watching shows with somebody like that. It doesn't spill the beans, you know? I looked at. And I was like, Oh, okay. Oh, I love watching shows with somebody like that. It like doesn't spill the beans, you know, I looked at him and I was like, you are entirely way smarter than I ever give you credit for not that I think he's dumb. But I just think that sometimes because he does things and
Starting point is 00:52:37 thinks things without saying them. And so I don't necessarily give him that credit. But like, there has been so many times where I'm like, wow, you're way smarter than I ever have. Like, I didn't think your brain works that way because he's not really into like, but when you're watching like crime shit and somebody gets it figured out before you and you feel like you're a good true primer, does it not scare the shit out of you a little bit and you're like, okay, wait, like, are you a psychopath?
Starting point is 00:52:59 Yeah, because now you've scared not only has this scared me, but you have scared me. Correct. So if you guys have not watched, make sure that you check it out because it is a very good watch. I feel like it was an easy watch and there's just like so much to that story. Coffee Combo's podcast is brought to you by Progressive Insurance. Let's face it, sometimes multitasking can be overwhelming, like when your favorite podcast is playing
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Starting point is 00:55:07 New episodes of camp counselors drop every Monday and Wednesday. Listen wherever you get your podcast. Lights out campers. We have a couple of listener questions that people had posted in the Facebook. One person says, how do you all tell your friend that you don't want to be her maid of honor? I wasn't asked. I was told I was gonna be it. When given a situation to ask for an owl, she refused and said I had to be it. I'm not in a financial position to be able to give
Starting point is 00:55:37 her money for the venue, pay for the batch, the bridal shower per her request. My husband and I are working on our own financials and figuring out how to pony up and pay for, pony up to pay for all within a year. And it has me sweating. I'm cruising looking for a third job to help fund the cause. I've never been a part of a wedding party before, help. Okay, so I feel like if one of my closest friends was getting married, I would already know that I was going
Starting point is 00:56:06 to be made of honor or I was going to be asked to be a bridesmaid. But I do feel like that is something that should be formally asked and accepted because not everybody is in the same financial situation and weddings are very, very expensive. And it does get very costly being involved in a wedding, even if you are a bridesmaid. I have never heard though of a maid of honor having any responsibilities to give money for a venue or pay for an entire bachelorette. I don't know how that works
Starting point is 00:56:40 cause I didn't have anyone give me money for the venue or I didn't even have a bachelorette. I think we went to like thunder from down under and I was pregnant. So I don't know it was just I don't know. I was home by nine. I don't know. So I don't know anything about that. I will say that I mean, even just paying splitting the cost between a made of honor and the rest of the bridesmaids or whoever is willing to contribute
Starting point is 00:57:04 still gets expensive. And I think especially now with like inflation and the cost of weddings in general, it is really an un, um, what is the like impolite, I would say, to just assume that someone is willing and able to take that on. And I think at the point that you're questioning how to, how you could tell the person and whether or not they would be understanding is a time where I would start questioning the friendship because I know, for example, I asked one of my girlfriends to come on the podcast and she was like, you know what? She was like, I really want to do that.
Starting point is 00:57:41 She was like, but not right now. She's like, I have some other stuff going on. And when I get all of that sorted out, like I'll come on the podcast and I was like, Oh my God, like, of course, like never, like our friendship comes first. So if you don't feel comfortable doing that right now, by all means, like we'll revisit the situation if it ever needs, like if we ever want to, or if like you bring it up to me, but like don it was never of question you know what I mean so even though that's not like a financial situation if the friendship is real and if the friendship is genuine you're gonna be comfortable to have the conversation to say like I feel honored that you want me to be your maid of honor
Starting point is 00:58:23 that you want me to be your maid of honor. And I am in a financial situation to where I wanna make sure that I can take on whatever these responsibilities are that you feel like need to be my responsibilities. I've just never heard of a maid of honor helping pay for a venue or an entire bachelorette. From my understanding, most of the bridal party contributes to the brides part of the bachelorette
Starting point is 00:58:52 and then their portion. So a lot of that could just be solved by having realistic expectations on what type of bachelorette is even taking place in the first place. But it seems to me like there's a lot of expectations being placed on this person and I would, I personally would just like never put somebody in that position. Like I'm not going to ask somebody to be my maid of honor, stand by me
Starting point is 00:59:16 and then have all these obligations for them, not only like time-wise but financially. No, I agree with that. Yeah, maybe just have a conversation with her about what the bride thinks the expectations are and just say, like, I really need to think about this. And then when you come back, if you decide not to, you just explain what Lindsay said. You're honored, you're thankful, but right now you just can't,
Starting point is 00:59:40 you have to sit this one out. And I don't know, I feel like your friend should understand but And, but you also have to be understanding and, and maybe even try to prepare a little bit that she may be disappointed. And that's okay. She's allowed to have her feelings. Even outside of weddings, I feel like everything is so extensive now, like throwing a birthday party, throwing a baby shower, anything, it is a huge undertaking, not only time, but financial too. And I think it's important to have these conversations that not everybody has the same financial situation. So, those conversations need to happen upfront so that the expectations are properly set.
Starting point is 01:00:18 I agree. The next listener topic says, am I the asshole? I want to celebrate my birthday and first Mother's Day with my family out of town, but my close friend is having her baby sprinkle on the same day. She got mad when I told her it wouldn't work for me. Am I being selfish?
Starting point is 01:00:34 Is it not rude to plan something on your close friend's birthday weekend? Okay, so she wants to celebrate her birthday and first Mother's Day with family out of town. And that same weekend, her best friends or her close friends having a baby. I feel like stuff like this happens all the time and you have to become comfortable with your life and the fact that everything's not going to always line up for everything for everyone and
Starting point is 01:01:07 a first Mother's Day, I feel like it's a big deal like Mother's Day and Father's Day are always We celebrated those huge when I was a kid I have always been very much celebrated on Mother's Day even post divorce and That to me is like a very big deal. I agree. Also your birthday. So why can't you FaceTime in to the baby sprinkle, but also be out of town with your family celebrating the things that you have to celebrate? Right. Send a gift. I'm so excited. You know, I wish you the best for you, your baby, your family, and celebrate your birthday.
Starting point is 01:01:46 Let her celebrate her baby just because you're not there. That would be like me. I'm pretty sure Kristen was on vacation for my kid's birthday party. She literally asked me, she's like, would you be upset if we didn't come to one of your kid's birthday parties? I said, absolutely the fuck not. It doesn't change the fact that you love my kids and it doesn't change if you're not there for a birthday party. You know what I mean? So it
Starting point is 01:02:08 just to me, I'm understated like also things like, oh, bachelorette bachelor parties when you're getting married. Yes, you're part of the bar, the bridal party or the groomsmen. But that doesn't mean that every single date that revolves around this wet this wedding is going to work for you. And I feel like it's unfair to make these people feel obligated to attend. Why can't she just send a gift and still send her best?
Starting point is 01:02:33 That doesn't make sense to me. Again, this would have me questioning the friendship as a whole. So I was in a wedding in the summer, I believe it was. And all of the dates that were for like the bridal party, the bachelorette, whatever, were weekends that I had Jackson. And I was just very forthcoming about that when I got the dates. I said, hey, you know, I am now in a custody situation and I can't forego time with my child to attend these things. So while I would love to be
Starting point is 01:03:07 there, I also have these other life obligations that come before me having fun. Yeah. So it's not that you're not going to get the gift. It's not that I'm not going to be in your wedding or whatever. I just can't attend absolutely everything. And at some point you have to focus on your personal life and your personal happiness and not be focused on how someone else feels. I actually saw this from Mindset Goated the other day and it was a quote, it said, "'Celebrate the people that are there.
Starting point is 01:03:36 You can have a party or a get together and the first thing you'll say is why didn't so-and-so and come, I invited so-and-so, why aren't they here? You're not even acknowledging the 10, 15, 20 people that came to support you on your birthday or whatever the occasion was. Celebrate the people that are there for your moment who want to be there with you and stop worrying about the person who wasn't there. I also believe that like why are we so focused on individual people? Just celebrate and be happy with the people that can be there and also be happy for the other people that have other things in life going on that cannot.
Starting point is 01:04:10 I, when Kristin got married, I could not go to the bachelorette party. But I was at the bridal shower. So Mary just like, I don't want to speak for her, but I think maybe she was a little disappointed as she should be, but she also understood. Right. Yeah. I mean, I think it just, I think it's just a level of understanding that yes, you might feel a piece, you might feel like disappointed.
Starting point is 01:04:38 Yeah. And that's okay to feel that disappointment, but also the disappointment has to come with level of understanding as well. Absolutely. Absolutely. And on that note, foul play. Hey Kitty Yang, I have some juicy stories, but this one burns. A few years ago, I was preparing to pull out all of my fall decor as, or as, as basic pitches do late August, early September. And I was getting some cleaning done and switching my plugins to fall scent at the same time. Fast forward to that night, my hubby and I
Starting point is 01:05:11 had been giving each other sexy eyes all day and sexual tension was intense. Knowing in the back of my head where the night was going to go, I pulled out a vibrator and laid it on the nightstand. Things get heated, literally and figuratively, and my husband starts using the toy on me. All of a sudden, my whole cat was on fire. I tell him to stop and explain what I'm feeling. We start to look at the vibrator and notice a strong smell of pumpkin spices. I guess when I was changing the plugins earlier,
Starting point is 01:05:40 one of them had leaked on the nightstand to the point it corroded the paint. Imagine what I was doing to my cat. I was able to wash most of it away with Dawn dish soap, but man, what a pumpkin spice disaster. Love you ladies. I'm a fan of all the podcasts. Love to see the growth and you both love to see the growth in both of you together and as individuals. Regrets, you have such bad irritants. I cannot imagine that putting that on my cat. I mean, pumpkin spice at that.
Starting point is 01:06:10 I need to know, like this is not even the fall, but I need to know how many people hate pumpkin and pumpkin spice as much as I do. The main part of this story that I have questions about is how many people use toys with your partner, actively like all the time? Not all the time. But it is something that you do? Yeah. That's not something that I've ever done.
Starting point is 01:06:39 What exactly is it that you're using? So we have the one that we used most recently what it looks like. It's like a flat rose and then it has like I guess the clit liquor. No, it's like a flat it's probably like I'm missing an eel. It's like it's like this thin and it's like a flat and then it has like a rose and it vibrates and then it has like the cock ring attached to it so that you can put it on his shaft and then when he's on top of me it also vibrates while we're having intercourse. Oh, wow. So is it like moving as you guys are moving?
Starting point is 01:07:17 It pretty much stays in place but it like moves on me. Does that make sense? Yes. So like with like the move, Yes. with his movements. So, yeah, it just adds like a little different kind of sensation. A little spice. A little pumpkin spice. I mean, I wouldn't be opposed to doing it. I'm just saying that never have not saying
Starting point is 01:07:40 at this point now that I know that this is probably like commonplace that I wouldn't. Is it common to use a vibrator? Yeah, because I think there's like a large percentage of women who do not get off by penetration. So I think that is my guess to why some people want to spice it up and use because you're getting him off by penetration, getting woman off by outside stimulation. And I think that it's still all of the things combined that help both partners get off.
Starting point is 01:08:16 So I wouldn't ever be able, like it wouldn't offend me and it shouldn't offend a man because you're still both actively participating in the act. So you're still contributing to getting off each other, getting each other off. Does that make sense? Correct. Correct. Because I know a lot of men feel like, oh, if we use toys, that means I can't do my job.
Starting point is 01:08:32 But I don't feel that way. I don't think that that's the case. Well, I mean, if they're the one using the toy on you, isn't it also a part of the physical connection of like what's going on. That's all I feel. And mental and emotional connection. Yeah, I would agree with that. Yeah. Uh, one time I'm not going to say who I was with, but one time this person told me that they were actually shocked that I could get off that way from penetration.
Starting point is 01:09:04 And I was like, oh, why? And he was like, well, that's not like commonplace for any woman that I've ever been before. Yeah. And I was shocked shitless. I was like, wait, what? Yeah, I don't think aside from you, I don't, you know how girls talk about like sex and stuff.
Starting point is 01:09:23 Like I can't think of one other friend of mine who's ever said that they get off that way. I can't, I mean, I also have a horrible memory. So I feel like maybe someone has told me, but not that I can like remember. So it's like very uncommon. You're an anomaly. No, can you? No. Okay, well, I'm gonna go ahead and call Kristen out. I know she can. I don't know if she can. I don't know. I'm pretty sure she can. I'm pretty sure she's told me that she can before because I talked to her about this before. She said laugh at my oh she can wow I was wrong. So I'm out here not even knowing that she's told like if anyone has sex secrets that
Starting point is 01:09:59 they don't want shared and you need to then just let me know because I'm sure Kristen has told me this and clearly I don't fucking remember because she can. Great. I love that for her. I love that for y'all because if you're ever in a pinch or you want to have a quickie, like you don't have to worry about extra work or extra stimulation in other places. Yes, you're very aware. Well, your secrets are safe with me. Obviously not me because I'm out here telling all of coffee combos foul play fienders. Okay, next foul play. Hi, Kale and Lindsay. Let me start by saying I'm obsessed with this podcast and love you both so much. I'm dying to share my foul play for some time now and finally found the courage to type it
Starting point is 01:10:39 type up this monstrosity. My entire life I've been a pretty hard sound sleeper. When I fall asleep, my body just goes into a deep sleep. Nothing, nothing can really startle me to wake me up. Listen, join the club. Or so I thought one night about 10 years ago, I hooked up with a friend that I liked and had been crushing on for a while. After we hooked up, we fell asleep, but ass naked. A few hours later, I somehow wake up in the middle of the night, even though that never happens to me on this night, though, for some reason, I started farting. What? I started farting in my sleep. It startled me and I woke up. It took me a few seconds of farting to realize that I was not just farting in my sleep, but I was butt
Starting point is 01:11:19 to butt with this guy hooked up with and I was literally farting into his butt. As I'm farting into his hole, he also wakes up startled. We didn't even have time to talk about what happened because I was instantly embarrassed and immediately got my stuff and left to walk home. I can truly say I've never been more embarrassed, love the podcast and I love you both. Um, ma'am. Did she say she was farting into his butt hole? Yeah, because they were butt to butt. Right, okay. So when she was farting, he was second hand farting. I never thought I would fart.
Starting point is 01:11:56 Can you imagine being woken up by yourself farting? Oh, I've definitely done that. I've definitely woken up like, Wait, you woke yourself up? Yeah, like when you're like not really fully asleep and you're very aware of the other person, like maybe in the new part of like, in the beginning of a new relationship, and you're just very aware of their presence. I have literally sat straight up and been like, wow, I just farted like hoping that I'm not.
Starting point is 01:12:21 Wait, you said this to them? No, Never. But like just sitting straight up or like jumping and realizing, oh my god, I'm not fully asleep. I just farted. Are they awake? Did they hear me? Did they feel it? Are they pretending? Like just very insecure. You know what I mean?
Starting point is 01:12:38 It's kind of like that time that you farted in that closet. You say that and I have no idea what the fuck you're talking about. You told me this one time. idea what the fuck you're talking about. You told me this one time. I'm pretty sure you were like... No, I know it was me. I still don't think it was me.
Starting point is 01:12:49 No, it was. It was like you were either still married to Javi or you were dating Chris and it was like early on. And you were cleaning out a closet. I feel like it was in... I don't think this was me because I- It was. I don't know. It was, and you were like,
Starting point is 01:13:07 I went to my closet because I had to fart. I don't remember, I told you this in person? No, you told me this over text. There's no way out of me. And you saved receipts, so you would've been able to find it. Kale, I don't have receipts from fucking 2017. Oh, well. Like Jesus Christ.
Starting point is 01:13:28 I'm a receipt saver, but like I'm not saving your fart stories from 2017. Like that's not the receipts I'm saving. Yeah. Oh my God. I would just say, if I woke myself up farting into somebody's asshole. I would cry. I wouldn't even worry about getting
Starting point is 01:13:46 my stuff. I would just immediately leave and call it a loss straight to jail. Straight to jail. And on that note, I just want to say thank you guys for always supporting our show. Please subscribe and review on the Apple podcast app, following rate on Spotify or listen wherever you get your podcasts. Don't forget to follow us on Instagram and join our Facebook group to connect with us and our community. We hope you guys have a great week and we'll talk to you soon.
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