Coffee Convos with Kail Lowry and Lindsie Chrisley - An Eye for an Eye?

Episode Date: November 18, 2024

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I hate gift giving and receiving. Receiving gifts is so weird. What do you say thank you? This is coffee convos with Kale Lowry and Lindsey Chrisley. I really want you to be in your feels Kale. That does not interest me whatsoever. I feel very attacked by you. A spirited discussion about motherhood, friendship, family, and life in the public eye. I'm just not with the fakery anymore. There's a fakery bakery around here. Here's Kale and Lindsey. anymore. There's a fakery bakery around here. Here's Kailin Lindsay. Well, good fucking morning. Good morning Lindsay Chrisley. Um, this is brought to you by anxiety, so just wanted to let you know that. Well, Lux asked me last night when he got home from Chris's house, he was like, when am I going to Lindsay Chrisley's house? And it's so funny because he says your full government. He's like, Lindsey Chrisley, when am I going to go there? And so I have a video,

I sent it to Lindsey last night. I'll have it posted to Coffee Combo's Instagram, but I'll play it right now really quick. Lux is literally like, when am I going to Lindsey Chrisley's house? He wants to come here because there's no rules. When am I going to go to Lindsey Chrisley's house? He wants to come here because there's no rules. When am I going to go to Lindsey Chrissley's house? And then Creed goes in the background, do I get to go? And I'm like, oh my God. Lindsey can't handle all of you. I probably could because it would just take my mind off of everything else.

Oh, oh my God. Great distraction. For the last hour, I have been trying to locate a smoke detector in this house that keeps going off and I cannot find it. That would drive me up a wall. Like there is a difference between being aware of which smoke detector is going off and blatantly ignoring it and then one going off and you can't locate it and it's setting you the fuck off.

Someone sent me a video, it was like a reel from Instagram yesterday and it was an interview of this girl and this man in the background of the interview, her smoke detector was going off and he was like, that's how you can tell that you're a single woman. And she just like keeps talking. No, that's how you tell she's a psychopath. The smoke detector, like do you hear the smoke detector? She's like, what smoke detector? No, you really do. Just kind of get used to it. I had one that went off for like a month in this house and could not find it and slept through

it. Like it just became the new norm. Well, I had people from like Instagram and stuff. They would message me when I would be on my Instagram stories. And they would be like, if you don't change that damn smoke detector, and it went on for weeks. Oh, I have decided that once I get done with my day, I'm going to the grocery store and I'm just gonna buy a whole pack of new batteries

and I'm going to replace every battery. So the rule of thumb, I think we've talked about before, is typically to do it, just change them before they start going off every day like savings or when you fall back like twice a year, change them twice a year. So like when, when you spring forward or when you fall back, those are like the rules of thumb to like change them. Okay. Well, I just need to tell you, I definitely have fallen back because I am unwell. I'm unwell. I have lots of updates for you. Okay, lots of updates. And I'm going to start by saying that the Menendez brothers, they, the election has delayed their potential release because a new DA

was elected, Nathan Hockman, and he claims that he needs more time to study the case and understand family members' positions. So they will be remaining in prison for the foreseeable future until he feels comfortable to do anything with that. So that's a little- What do you feel about that? I don't love that because I feel like as the DA, you knew that there was public pressure and just pressure in general to sort of be in the know about this case. The general public knows the details of this case and I just feel like you are sort of doing everybody a disservice by not being well versed on that before you were elected. You knew that was going to be a very, very big point of contention and so I feel like

already he's let me down. I mean, I don't live in, I don't live in the area. How do you give the flip side of that? I don't know that I necessarily would get like involved in any type of research of anything unless I knew for a fact that I was going to be in that position of power. But he's the newly elected DA, which means whatever position he was in before that or would have gotten if he wasn't elected, he still needed to be in the know about that. Like you should still be well versed in these really, really crazy cases. Don't you think that he should have still been in the know?

Well, I feel like the workload like everywhere in the US Attorney's office, I just feel like everybody has their own cases and are working on their own things and it's probably just something that he didn't touch. Okay, fair. You know, so while we're on the topic of murder, a Brian Coburger update. Don't even get me started on Coburger because I'm already spicy today.

So well, I'm just gonna give you this small update. Don't get me started. Last week, Brian Coburger's defense team argued for the death penalty to be taken off the table. They're saying that that would be violating his eighth amendment right of cruel and unusual punishment. And they the prosecution is arguing that if lethal injection drugs are not available that the firing squad should be present and available. The defense team has filed 13 different motions in this argument to remove it and get it off the table.

When did the firing squad like stop being a thing? Let me look this up. First of all, didn't even know until I was probably within the last five years that the firing squad was even an option. So it says, I feel like this has been like a long time. Like they've been done for a long time. Yeah. Evidently not.

There's military significance behind it. I'm looking for the United States because there's like all different, it's broken down into like every country. It says that during the American War of Independence, General George Washington approved a sentence by death penalty firing squad, but the prisoner was later pardoned. During the American Civil War, 433 of the 573 men executed were shot during a firing squad. Um, and then that just kind of like continued. So I think it was sometime around there is when it started. And I don't know when it ended.

I don't know that I necessarily think that it also says that execution by firing squad was banned in Utah in 2004. That's not really that long ago. It's really not. Yeah, I just what do you think? The firing squad really like here's the thing. We I don't want to get too political. I also don't really want this edited out because I am conflicted

and how I feel about just the death penalty in general because I do think certain things deserve I for an eye. I really do. The firing squad, I just feel like that's, that's a little like, the eye for an eye thing, like you would have to do. I don't see that's the thing. It's like, it's not my eye for your eye, right? So like with the firing squad I'm just very conflicted on it because I think

This imagine I don't know what the process of selection is for the firing squad and how they get Selected to be the people doing it. But to my knowledge Everybody has blanks except one person and the person that does not have a blank is not aware. What? So run this back, run this down for me because I've never heard of this. I don't know anything about it to have an opinion. So I like, I would like to make an opinion.

So like execution by firing squad. Let's say if there were six people that don't know what the selection process is and how they're selected to be a part of the firing squad or if that's like a state position or something like I really don't know. But let's just say there's six, five of those people with the weapons are going to have blanks. Blank what? Bullets. It's like a blank like fake bullet.

And then one of them does not have a fake bullet but none of them know who actually has the bullet. Here's the thing, I don't know how I feel about that because I'm questioning the morals of someone who is signing up to do something like this. I think that there is a very special place in hell for people like pedophiles, anyone that does anything to children and women, you know, and other criminals too. But I, I don't know, I don't know, I need to research this, because I've

never heard of that. And so do they know who ends up killing the person? Like, do they find out who ends up out of the firing squad? Who ends up with so of those six people, for example, they don't know which one of them actually killed the person? No. And I'm just wondering, too, based on, you know, this argument with Brian Coburger is like, why wouldn't lethal injection drugs be available? And why is firing squad the next option? Well, I don't know if you remember, but let's take it back all the way when the Idaho four murders took place, right? It wasn't too far after COVID. And so I think that there was just like a

shortage of certain medications to my knowledge. And so if that was not available, then at that point, they would defer to firing squad. It does say online that if the state can't carry out a capital sentence using lethal injection within five days of the execution warrant, a firing squad is used. But if their argument about taking the death penalty off the table does not happen, his execution would be so far away that why wouldn't there be a way to get said drugs for his date? Like I just feel like firing squad is, and maybe some people feel like he deserves that because of what he did to these people.

And like I could see that argument as well. I just, I think firing squad is a very slippery slope and I don't necessarily think that everybody deserves that. I don't know how I necessarily feel about it. I don't know how I necessarily feel about it. I don't know how I feel about lethal injection. I don't know how I feel about the firing squad. I think that I would maybe have a more solid opinion if something was relevant to like my personal life

that I might feel a certain type of way about it. I also do believe though an eye for an eye. I do believe an eye for an eye. I will say that. But that also is like what is your perception of that? Because if Brian Coburger, and I think a lot of us can agree that he is guilty, stabbed four people, obviously we can't stab him back, right? Like we can't stab him to death. But so when you say I for an I, do you mean lose your life, lose my life sort of deal?

Or do you mean that he should lose his life the same way that he killed other people? I don't necessarily believe that he should lose his life the same way he killed someone else because what he did was like so very wrong. I don't believe two wrongs make one right. Right. So him getting the death penalty at all you think losing his life to the system and going

to prison is enough. I don't necessarily think that it's enough, but I would rather see him have to stay in prison for his entire life until he takes his last breath against his liberty than anything else. I'm also conflicted on that because you've got to look at taxpayer state dollars as well. But also look at the idea that people on death row, have you done any research onto the lives that they live in death row where they have TVs and they're allowed to have their own comforters and the prison system right here in smirna Delaware they they get the mental health counselor will literally bring them Chick-fil-a on some days.

Wait what? Yeah. I don't know. It's like such a it's such a hard thing, but I feel like whenever you have committed heinous crimes to the capacity that Brian Coburger allegedly committed, I just don't think Chick-fil-A should be allowed. Also the comforter thing, it's like, it should be a bare bone situation. Like you actually have access to nothing. The TV thing kind of pisses me off. TV is used for entertainment purposes. You should have to entertain yourself with yourself. This episode is brought to you by BetterHelp. Especially during the holiday seasons, we

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I'll be curious to see what listeners think about our position on the death penalty, but I have grown to absolutely love being by myself. And what I mean by that is if I don't have the kids, which is very few and far between and Elijah is not here or, you know, whatever that looks like, whether I'm at home or I'm in a hotel room, I absolutely fucking love to be my, by myself and I, you grow accustomed, you grow to love that sort of solitude, I guess. What's stopping an inmate from actually growing to just become used to that?

Because you do get some level of socialization, whether it be in general population with eating or you're out on the courtyard with people or like you're still getting some level of and all of your meals are there, you're not missing meals. And I'm not, this is, I'm speaking to where there's not majorly corrupt facilities, but it's like. I think the solitude in a prison or jail system looks very different because when you and I talk about how we love to be at home by ourselves and have really grown to

love just doing stuff alone, we still get to do stuff and like we're still in our like little cozy house and you're having comforters and tvs they're doing the same shit. I mean I guess it would be relevant to their life and like what they're living so So maybe possibly, but I mean, you're in a, what is it? Like a 12 by 12 cell? I mean, I don't want to be that kind of lonely. I don't know. I have, I'm conflicted. So anyone listening to this podcast before y'all come rip my head off, explain it to me in a way that makes me understand because I don't understand. Kristen says that it looks like different states have different protocol when it comes to firing squad.

Utah did the blanks and then one live round. So it was like a whole round of blanks and then a live round. And you don't ever know which one's going to kill the person. The shooters never know. But I wish I knew how the people who are part of the firing squad, like what the selection process looks like, like how do they get selected to be that? And is it, do they hold that position for like a long period of time, like an

officer or, or what? Surely they can't actually use the firing squad very often. It says that John Arthur Bennett was the last person to be executed by the United States Armed Forces. That wasn't too long ago. I just watched a TikTok not too long ago where a man died via lethal injection in Texas. Okay, here's my next question surrounding that. Is died by lethal injection, is the lethal injection similar to how they put animals to sleep, like to put them down?

I would imagine so. From this TikTok that I was watching, it was a reporter that said that she was covering like the live footage of what was going on. And then they allowed media access for a reporter to go in to like report back to the outside reporter. Number one, I could never imagine doing that type of coverage like in a live capacity. I just wonder what the mental health status of that person was after they did that coverage

and then left. I mean, watching someone die, I don't think that that's probably good for anyone regardless of the circumstances. But I think it's like you stop breathing and like your organs and stuff shut down. So similar to dogs because I mean, I watched Bear get put down, I watched Gizmo put down. That was awful. And they were peaceful. Do you know what I mean? My nanny just went through that with her little dog, Miley, and it was just very quick. I don't know if it's the same process for everyone, or if it's like different by vet, but they basically sedated the dog first and then did that.

And it was quite I mean, we're're talking like 30 seconds to a minute. 100%. I mean, that's for my dogs. That's exactly what was the process as well. So it says that lethal injection is designed to first induce unconsciousness followed by the death through paralysis of respiratory muscles and or by cardiac arrest through depolarization of cardiac muscle cells. Do they is it painless or does that hurt for that to stop? I would imagine that it's not painful. I hope not. That's all I can hope any person that that gets it. I would not want them to be like in such a state of fear of being in pain

because I do think the punishment is the death, right? Not like the pain. I don't know. When you stab someone to death and you just like keep going and you're on a rampage and stabbing other people, part of me is like you deserve to feel some level of pain. Just imagine being a person that committed a heinous crime, that put themselves in a position to be killed by lethal injection or firing squad, right? Imagine the leading up, because you get notification that your execution is scheduled,

if you're in that position. Imagine the days leading up to that, the level of anxiety that you would feel. But do they feel a level of anxiety because they're against their own liberty in a facility for such a long period of time? Is it something that they're, they've just accepted and they're like, okay, I'm just like waiting for my day. I think that sounds good in theory.

Oh, I've accepted it. But I honestly think that they have to have anxiety and maybe they have until that day comes and then they're like, oh fuck, like it's here and it's really happening. Like, I don't know, think of, you know, any court dates that you've had or trials or, you know, anything like that. And it's like, you can sort of work through it. You know, it's happening, but you kind of can get used to the day by day and like

you're just routine day in and day out until it gets closer and then you're like, Oh, fuck. If if you had a family member that had been sentenced and they were going to be killed either by firing squad or lethal injection, would you go to witness that? Yes, I would not. I can't imagine from from this footage that I saw from the state of Texas where this was happening to this man. It was almost like a viewing room on the outside and then it was like a glass, like smaller room within the room. And the person was in that like glass enclosed in

area. It was almost like going to a movie theater. I just, I could never imagine doing that. I read a book this year that was describing it that way as well. Really? So you would go? Well, I mean, depending on how close I am with the person. If it was my mom or just anyone

that I have history with, if it's a distant cousin that I really didn't know, probably not. But yeah, I mean, if I... So another thing that I saw about Brian Koberger before we move on, that the kid that was with the two girls at the food truck was recently arrested. Why? I don't know, he got into some kind of trouble

and now there's all these theories of maybe he was involved, but they said that he did not match, from what I read, it said that he did not match the description of what was described by the roommate in the house of like the bushy eyebrows and stuff. Brian Coburger fit that description. Yes.

In my mind, I don't care what anybody says about this, in my mind, I am 100% certain that Coburger did it. Oh, I'm 100%, but I don't think he acted alone. So who do you think did it with him? I don't know. And by doing it with him, I mean setting it up for him to do and also helping him because I cannot wrap my head around the roommates downstairs, not calling for help

until the next day and calling other people. And like that whole scenario, there is something very sinister about all of that. And I don't care who wants to crucify me for that. I don't think that it's possible for him to have stabbed four people to death in that short amount of time that he had without help in some way, whether that's the actual act of stabbing someone or if it's helping me get in, helping me get out, covering it up, anything like that. Somewhere, somehow he had help. I don't think he did. What was the timeframe?

13 minutes, something crazy to stop? It was super fast and that is something that I've said before. That seems like a very short period of time to kill that many people, also get out and you're like going to another state that that to me seems very, very fast. But also I think that he just based off of the footage and stuff of how they have like mapped out the way he was casing out the place. And I do believe psychologically he studied personalities. I do believe he definitely

caught them off guard. So I think all of that plays a role into it. I don't know, there could have been alcohol involved, where they wouldn't have been able to fight back if they were in a complete sober state of mind. I'm not really sure. I believe it was like anger and adrenaline. Fair. That is, I mean, adrenaline will do crazy things. I know that I've heard stories like people saying that, you know, their house got broken into and they ran and on a normal day, they would never have been able to run to that

length or to those, to that speed. And you know, adrenaline will do crazy things. So I do believe that. I would just be curious to know, I just, I still can't wrap my head around. I had Anna Sega Nicolazzi on Barely Famous and she was Brooklyn's former, like a prosecutor. And she said it's so rare for people in the jury

to walk a scene because things are so different compared to the day that it happened But I would be curious to see even if they left everything the way it was or not To see if it's possible without all of the furniture like even in a blank house. I want to see how fast this person can go stab all these people and Then get out of the house without furniture. So then you add furniture in the mix, people being home, trying to be sort of stealthy, is that the word? Like when you're trying to be sneaky about it and then leaving very minimal evidence

behind, that would slow you down a little bit. So I wish that they didn't knock the house down when they did. I think that was a really, really horrible idea. I mean, they don't have a ton of evidence. The van shoe print that was taken from the scene matched the size shoe and the type of shoe that he possibly was wearing. There's not a ton of evidence.

The sheath. The sheath is huge. I thought that the shoe also matched the Uber Eats driver or the DoorDash driver as well. Or somebody else's shoe. It also would fit somebody else's description, I think. I don't know about this. What about this theory though? What if Coburger was the one who ordered the DoorDash or Uber Eats and it was to throw

them off to see, maybe he was like scaling like casing out the place right and then he ordered this to see who came to the door to make sure that they were home and he was like watching the whole time. I never thought about that. I just I don't know so ideally for you Brian Coburger being in prison for the rest of his life and or the death penalty would be sufficient for you or no death penalty? I don't know.

I am so conflicted on if someone does something that heinous and so bad, I feel like they should have to like age and become an absolute nothing nothing like prune in a facility because I do think that there would be reprieve for them as well as everyone else for the death penalty right because they know that okay I'm signed up for this and now I just do this and I never have to worry about anything else in life versus them sitting in a facility and what they did to get them there lives rent free forever. I'll circle back with thoughts

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Yeah, I just, out of all the super high profile cases that we've talked about on coffee combos and that are just out there, Amanda Knox is always the least memorable for me. I don't know why, but new charges were brought against her and I'm gonna play, have Kristen play the TikTok because I was actually confused about what the actual charges were.

It's probably the last place she would want to return to. But today Amanda Knox returned to an Italian courthouse where 16 years ago she was convicted of murdering her roommate before she was cleared a decade later. Facing new charges, she was mobbed by reporters today who got a little too close for comfort. Amanda Knox is mobbed by reporters today who got a little too close for comfort. Amanda Knox is mobbed outside a court in Italy. In the chaos, she is struck by a camera. She rubs her head and winces in pain. But there was even more pain in store when she heard the verdict of guilty of criminal slander.

CBS News foreign correspondent Chris Livesey covered the trial in Florence. Most people thought that this was a formality, that she was going to be definitively off the hook and cleared of all accusations and charges against her, but that was not the case. Amanda, once dubbed Foxy Knoxy, was the victim of a notorious miscarriage of justice in 2007 when she was wrongfully convicted by an Italian court of brutally murdering her roommate, Meredith Kurcher. She first came under suspicion when she was videotaped canoodling with her then boyfriend close to the house where the body was found.

She served four years of a 26-year sentence before an appeals court overturned her conviction. The case struck a chord worldwide Hayden panetti air played Amanda in a TV movie. Amanda Marie Knox guilty of the murder of her roommate Meredith Kircher 26 years. Now 16 years later, Amanda returned to Italy accompanied by her husband to face another

charge related to the case. A false statement she made while under police interrogation in 2007, in which she claimed this Congolese bartender was the killer. She was sleep deprived. She'd been interrogated for more than 50 hours over the course of several days. And it was in this context, this traumatized sleep-deprived state that according to her they used this to coerce a false accusation out of her. Today she was sentenced to three years in prison but since she has already served longer than that on the murder

charge she was released. Knox is appealing today's ruling meantime an eight-hour limited Hulu series is in the works about what she's been through. Monica Lewinsky is one of the producers. I had no idea that she was like falsely convicted of the murder of her roommate. Like it was like she was falsely convicted. You still think it was. I don't know enough about the case, but I saw that it was making headlines and I was like, hold on. I need to tell Lindsey about this because I thought that there were like different theories about who killed the roommate and then like possible boyfriend or like of the roommate

or something. And so that's why this case does not stick out to me the same way other case has mainly because I don't know much about it, but I figured you'd want to know the update. I don't think that she was falsely convicted. I think that she did do it. I also what was her motive? I don't really remember like the whole details of this but I watched the whole documentary and I watched all of this stuff like live whenever it was going on. So I'll get back to you on that

like on an update in a later episode but I do think that she did it. I've always felt like anytime that there has been any type of footage of her, she comes across very aloof and sinister to me. I'm looking at the video that you sent, I actually saw that last night as well. And to me, I don't know, it's something about her face that just screams guilt.

Has she ever been shown like crying and like, I don't know, I just't I don't ever want to know or have ever felt like what that would be like to be accused of a murder or actually murdering murdering someone and playing like you're remorseful so like I don't know what that is like but it is concerning to me when people like Scott Peterson or Amanda Knox maybe don't show emotion when they're literally being accused of killing someone. 100%, I think that that speaks to the body language to me very much speaks to what they likely did, right?

Yeah. I also want to say in any true crime case, I think sleep deprivation is an absolute cop out. I don't care how tired I am. If I did not do something, it's not going to change my mental state, because I'm sleep deprived. Right? Like that's I mean, I'm, I've definitely been like a huge bitch when I'm sleep deprived. That's the extent of it is like, I'm not exerting more energy than I need to I'm

going the fuck to bed, you know what I mean? But like, I'm not exerting more energy than I need to. I'm going the fuck to bed. You know what I mean? But like, I'm not gonna, if I'm sleep deprived and someone is dead or hurt or like, I'm also going to be upset. That doesn't take away the feelings that you have. Also, so on this article from Florence, Italy, it says Amanda Knox, the American student

who spent nearly four years in an Italian prison for being convicted in 2007 of murdering her college roommate before being cleared more than a decade later was reconvicted Wednesday of slander for wrongly accusing our bar owner that she had worked for. What really gets me in this article is that she was embraced by her husband in the courtroom afterward. They held each other for a while. How the fuck do you get a husband? I don't understand. Like, would you ever marry someone that was accused of murder?

Absolutely the fuck not, because they're definitely going to kill me because of my mouth. I couldn't imagine being with someone that was like, I just can't wrap. Like, sort of like the Casey Anthony thing that we covered a few weeks ago or a couple months ago. I lost all sense of time. That man blowing up his family to date Casey Anthony and having an affair with Casey Anthony

is the craziest fucking thing. I just couldn't imagine how you would start putting yourself in that position. Like what really chaps my ass is the people who become pen pals with these murderers in prison. Well, that's actually fascinating to me and I actually would because I want to know details. I want you to confide in me and tell me all the things that you go through your head, but it's like truly with a motive. It's not because I'm actually falling for the beast, the bullshit. Do you know what I mean? Yeah, but that's because you're a national bamboozler. Some of these people go into

this because they are sexually physically like whatever attracted to this murderer. Like that is the motive behind it. Your motive and what you're saying is very different than some of these women out here who are pen paling to have a relationship with someone that they're never going to fucking see. So how do you feel about the Menendez brothers wives? Wild to me.

It's fucking wild. For what? Three years is a long time. But why are you why why are you staying in a relationship with someone that might not ever get out? Like to me you need to go to therapy. I mean, I would be curious to know like, from just knowing the inner workings of those relationships of people who I mean, that's why I covered prison brides on barely famous because I'm

so fascinated when someone's in for such a long period of time. And you're just invested in this relationship and you're emotional, you know, you're there emotional support and they're yours, but like it can't ever be more than that for the time being. And I just, I'm so fascinated by, you know, do you have affairs? Is it something that's like not spoken of, but like it's understood? Do you know what I mean? Like is it, what is that like? And for one of, I think it's Eric's, I believe it's Eric's wife. Could you imagine just not being sexually active for 34 years?

I'm calling bullshit. One of them, one of their wives has a daughter. And so one of them is a stepfather. Like imagine being like, my stepfather is in prison and I've never had a relationship with him outside of prison. Like I'm not judging it. I'm curious about it. Like I want to know what that is like.

Like what would she have to say about him being her stepdad from prison her entire life? Wait. So I don't know about the Menendez brothers wives. Did they get married while they were incarcerated? Yes. So I guess what is the purpose behind that? That's what I'm saying.

Like, I'm just like, obviously everybody needs somebody, right? So like being in a relationship is one thing, but to get married, knowing that you had a life sentence that I just want to know like what the thought process was, what do they do for each other? Again, like the affairs thing, like there's so many questions that I have it's kind of like Texting relationship right like you're never you might not ever see the person but like you're talking to them

Mm-hmm, like is it just to fill voids? But it's not actually because what is that gonna look like when they get out of prison? Like are they going to stay together and like be together because she held it down for all these years like I'm just so curious. But define holding it down I also think that there's not really room to like have real relationship problems when you are with someone who is possibly incarcerated for their whole life. Like what are you going to have a problem about? for their whole life. Like, what are you gonna have a problem about? Well, I mean, let's think about the Menendez brothers and Gypsy Rose and trying to think who else. Like, the people that are going to live

and they're never going to have a normal life because they are celebrities at this point. So what does that look like? Because surely they're gonna come out and people are gonna wanna sleep with them. Oh, 100%. Do you think that when the Menendez brothers get out, if they do get out, that their marriages are going to hold up?

They're either gonna hold up or they're gonna crumble immediately. I imagine the amount of time that they have been in a facility, that's already like problematic enough, right? To just go back into regular society and be able to cope because anything that they would have known about society and life at the time that they went in

is no longer what it is now. One complete learning curve, but also having a relationship for such a long period of time, you said 34 years. Doing that, but being behind bars and not being able to really do anything else, I feel like that's kind of easy to hold down a relationship for them. But could you imagine them getting out and living in the same home and trying to figure out life with someone after 34 years? like the relationships naturally just going to inevitably change.

100%. I'm just curious to see how all of this sort of progresses for them. Okay, well this that I'm going to talk to you about has been huge news. I am very invested. It is Brianna Chickenfry and Zach Bryan's breakup drama. I don't know how much you know about it, but I am mind blown. Okay, I first need you to tell me who is Brianna Chicken Fry and why is she relevant, right? Like who is she? I don't know who Zach Bryan is. I figured out, I've deduced from all of the online stuff is that he's a singer of some sort. First of all, the fact that you don't know who Zach Brian is and the fact that...

Sing a song of his that I might know. Name a song, something in the orange. I don't know, like I have like a whole... I have a whole playlist of just Zach Brian. No, I had... I don't know that I've ever heard any of his music before. So, and then I also saw that he's like super short. He's like 5'2". Already don't give a fuck. He's a short king.

No, he's not a king. He's a peasant. No, now, but a lyrical and artist king? Absolutely. Like, he's a narcissist, but he makes good music. I've never heard his music before, so. And the level of devastation when I realized that I could not go to his concert at Red Rocks

because I had other obligations and I also couldn't get tickets, devastated. And now I'm so glad that I didn't go. Okay, but who is Brianna Chickenfry? Why does she have this name and why, she was dating him, I'm assuming, obviously. Okay, yes, so I think that we all are very aware that when girls that get on Barstool

and make these podcasts under Dave Poitnoy, that they just like blow up. We watched it with Call Her Daddy. Brianna Chicken Fry has a podcast with Dave. But how did she get there? Who was she that, so did Dave just give this woman a chance? Like I wanna know the back story of how she got there. I think it's the same thing that happened with Alex Cooper.

Like he has experiences. What is the backstory behind? Were they big on social media? And then they were like, let's do a podcast. Her and Sophia were like, let's do a podcast. They went under Dave. And then they grew their following from there. Like I don't even understand. Like, did they get famous on social media first? Um, I believe that there was some level of fame on social media first. Okay.

And then they just got these podcasts and blew up. She confirmed the relationship with Zach Brian on her podcast in 2023. I just feel like this goes back to what we were just talking about. He was married and wrote many of songs about his ex-wife. His ex-wife was military. He filed for divorce while she was deployed. They get divorced, right? Okay.

He has been known, he is a known cheater in the industry. Like it is copy paste situations over and over again. So in my opinion, when you sign up, knowing someone's history, I think someone may maybe sign up and think, okay, I'm gonna be the one that changes him. Yep. Right? That's what I thought.

So I think that might be a little bit of a situation that's going on here with Chicken Fry. I feel like maybe he came out acting like he also changed and that could have been some of the pool for her to be like, Oh, okay. I mean, I'm just being honest. It's the season of giving and I highly recommend giving the gift of KiwiCo. I giving the gift of KiwiCo. I gave the gift of KiwiCo to my little cousins for Christmas last year and I absolutely love that.

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Well, she confirmed their relationship in July of 2023. So over a year. I mean, we also know if you're confirming a relationship in July of 2023, you probably were in fact in it six months prior to that. Okay, so it's possible that they were in it for a year and a half, two years. Yes, it's very, very possible. Okay, what is being said about what because I the part that I didn't know was the before and the now like I sort of vaguely knew they were dating.

I didn't know who they were, but the press has been covering them for some time, but I never really dug into it. So they're dating. He's a singer. She is a podcast host. And I saw it, like you sent me her outfit for the Golden Globes, which was stunning. She looked great. Um, didn't really know what, how she got here.

What is being said that he did to her? Why don't, I mean, immediately she's saying it was like an abusive relationship or people are saying that it's an abusive relationship, so immediately I don't like him, but like what is being alleged? So there's actually a lot that's being alleged at the start of the unfolding of this breakup.

She said after one hour of Zach posting an Instagram story, she said that she felt blindsided and that she was going to hop off social media and up for a little while and attempt to heal privately. And when she was ready, she would be back to talk. Wait, what did he post on social media? So he had posted on social media about the breakup and we all know how PR works, right?

Did she know about the breakup before he posted it or he broke up with her on social media? No, she was aware of the breakup before it was posted but I think was not aware that he was going to publicly make it public knowledge. And then he just goes on there, guaranteed based off of the allegations that she has alleged against him. I believe it probably was a PR move on his part to try to get ahead before she said anything.

Oh, but instead he shot himself in the foot. And that all everything is coming out. Okay, I'm tracking. So she said in a quote, I had no idea the post was going up. He didn't text me. He didn't call me. I just woke up to a bunch of texts being like, are you okay? And I'm like, did my fucking dad die? This was from a YouTube video that was recorded. So she said that she was reiterating that she was blindsided and continued to say, how can you give every ounce of yourself to someone and then be discarded in just a few days? It's really, really heartbreaking. She also said that the post went live on his Instagram

a day after they broke up and that she was not ready to do anything publicly and wanted to handle it as a human first before she started letting people become knowledgeable about what was going on. She said that she just wanted to lay in a bed for a week and get her thoughts together before she let anyone know about it which I think is a very fair thing. 100%. I mean doing it the next day is kind of crazy. Like that just seems very premature. Well, I mean, I know this situation all too fucking well that I decided I was going to

get a divorce in 2017, go to Nashville, film on Chris Leano's best, say that I'm getting a divorce, and then seven days later, I'm back home. Like I feel like doing things too prematurely is insane, but also you've got to consider the amount of people following and picking up on certain things. Maybe he did it because he wanted to get ahead of it. That's the only reason I can think of why he would do that. And also a level of control. So I know you're also not a Swifty. No, I'm not a Swifty. But I am very

much a Swifty. And oh my god, I love Taylor Swift. Like, what? I have always loved Taylor Swift since Taylor Swift was Taylor Swift. I did not know this about you. What? No. And guaranteed if if I knew that you were just like slightly a Swiftie, you and I would have gone to an Eris tour or concert. Like with the sparkly outfits, like the whole thing and I don't care.

Like you would be in a dress. I honestly could not name one song of Taylor Swift outside of Teardrops on my guitar. I can't. The fact that you just mentioned of tear drops on my guitar. I can't. The fact that you just mentioned tear drops on my guitar, like such a throwback, I absolutely love that. But, so Dave comes out swinging, completely has Breanna's back.

But then there's like some beef with that too, because people are publicly saying that Dave is actually not a good friend. He's just a marketing genius to be involving himself in this situation. 100, but can both be true? Can both be true? I do believe that both can be true. I believe that he has his feelings about the situation.

He saw an opportunity. He does actually have her back, but also he's a marketing genius. 100% because here's the thing. If Zach wants to shoot himself in the foot and make this public where it was sort of against Brianna Chicken Fries, like goes against everything that she wanted, but it's already out there. Guess what? Now I am going to make money doing it and we're going to promote the fuck out of this

and it is what it is, but that doesn't make it less painful and it doesn't mean that he's not a good friend. I don't know Dave from a can of paint. I know what he looks like and that's just about it. But I use both can be true. I have been a fan of Dave point. No, I sent Dave even knew who he was like, I absolutely love Dave. I used to watch his pizza reviews to bite you know the rule. Like absolutely love him. I I love the fact that he is as reckless as he is

sometimes and doesn't give a fuck. Oh, no, I don't love that about us. Well, it's just like really admiring and maybe maybe people love it about him because he's a man. Yeah, it's a double standard 100%. So he goes out, I'm going to tell you another song of Taylor Swift, which is on like my top playlist and I literally play it every day. And Jackson is like, Mom, who is the smallest man who ever lived? Because I play it so much. He's like, who is the smallest man who ever lived to you?

And I'm like, Oh, well, I actually have a list. You want me to go down it? Okay, so during this whole breakup situation, Dave shared a YouTube link to Taylor Swift's the smallest man who ever lived and then dedicated that to Brianna, which I feel like that's something petty I would do. It's petty. It's funny. It's marketing. It's it's all the things. So I'm not even mad at it.

It's marketing, it's all the things. So I'm not even mad at it. It's great. So then supposedly his PR and label tried to get this song that Dave made for chicken fry against Zach completely removed. Like we are going to silence Dave. Okay. First of all, no one silences Dave. Well, let's take it back because the whole reason why I even

heard about any little bit of this is because didn't Zach offer like a $12 million exchange to sign an NDA and not talk about anything regarding this breakup or their relationship. Correct. So he was trying, he was trying, Zach was trying to silence Brianna Chickenfry and now is trying to silence Dave Portnoy. 100% because then after, after Dave does this link to like Taylor's actual song, Smallest Man, Whoever Lived, he then releases a diss track called Smallest Man. And then that was attempted to be silenced.

Right? So then Dave goes on, I still call it Twitter, but I know everybody else refers to it as X, I haven't been on it in fucking years. He goes on X and says, Zach Ryan and Warner Music must have the worst crisis management execs in the world running around like chickens with their heads cut off trying to erase smallest man from the internet. Did no one tell them that I run an internet company? They guarantee they just guaranteed this thing hits number one. Then he comes out

with another song and it is Diddy related. Okay, I just absolutely love the level of pettiness. I mean, he truly is a marketing genius. Like I love this. Also, Zach Brian had been on Raya for several months prior to this breakup. So that was like revealed through the process of like all of this someone saw him on riot and then started screenshotting posting all over the internet okay okay so after not acknowledging any of anything that is coming from Brianna's corner right like his PR is acknowledging it like on

the back end because they evidently he has crisis PR at this point, but he picked November 7th for the release of his new song High Road and has decided that he no longer is touring. He's gonna quit touring because he got accepted into his master's program in Paris next year. Okay. So, to me, that is because you absolutely fucked up.

You probably were gonna get your master's, but I just couldn't imagine being the lyrical genius that Zach Bryan is and selling out shows the way that he does. Is just gonna make a choice to go to Paris and get his master's. Okay? Okay. Because I'm not going to Paris to get my masters. If I'm selling out shows like he does and I'm creating music in the way that he does.

100. Brianna alleges that there was significant emotional abuse and the relationship and that the last year of her life had been the hardest year of her life. Um, she says that she's scared that her brain has been rewired. Um, that he made her believe that everything was her fault, that he isolated her from her entire life, would not let her be who she wanted to be. And that he convinced her to hate everything that she

had previously loved about herself. He was a love bomber. That she was listening to a Morgan Wallen song. I think last night was the song that she was listening to. She had heard it came inside his house and was singing it just like the rest of us girls would do. And he said that she was not allowed to listen or sing that song in a home underneath his roof for a mortgage that he paid for that like that was not allowed. While I would understand why a man would not want his woman to be singing Morgan Wallen,

kind of get it because he's a panty dropper. It's not real. But to him, maybe it was because he's like, she got me and I'm Zach Brian, she could definitely get Wallen. If you're curious about Ozempic and Wigoby but not sure if your insurance covers it, that's where Roe comes in. Roe can help you understand if GLP-1s are right for you and your goals, but that's

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like looked at me and he goes, go ahead, finish some lyrics, go ahead and see what happens. And he like made it a joke. And it was just like a joke. And then we moved on. Like, if Elijah ever in his fucking life, try to tell me I can't sing a song because you're so fucking insecure. Like he was joking. If he was dead serious because of his level of insecurity, I would no longer be in that relationship. But that is coming off of the heels of a relationship like the

relationship that Brianna chicken fry is in with Zach Brian, that level of control and like infiltration that those types of men have in your life is so sickening because for so long, even to this day, like I'm constantly asking Elijah if he's mad at me because he's picking up tasks around the house. Like, are you mad at me that you have to do that kind of thing? People like Zach Brian are truly sometimes in my own opinion, in my own experience, can be worse than physical abuse? 1000% That will change the way that you think about things

in your life and in your relationship for probably the rest of your life. 100% I agree with that. And I can't remember who it was that I was talking to when we were in Chattanooga about this situation. But I truly feel and nobody attacked me. I would rather somebody just come and like swing on me one time and just get it over with than to emotionally abuse me over a long period of time.

Can't even I can't even I cannot. So allegedly, he offered Zach Brian offered chicken fry12 million, I believe the terms were $12 million over three years to sign an NDA. She decides that she's not going to do that. She goes on her Instagram stories and says, I knew I was making the right decision. I believe not going all out and not telling everything was the right decision too. You get the picture. Your messages have made me sob.

I can't believe how many women and men have experienced the same abuse. You have me, I'll be a voice for you always. If I can stand up to someone in power, you can stand up to a bum from your hometown. This is all two weeks out, so I'm really processing everything I went through. I'll continue to process and heal with you all.

I love you, I love you, I love you. Morals over $12 million. While I understand morals and I stand by the decision of her not taking the money, I'm just telling you right now, if you emotionally abuse me to the point that she was allegedly emotionally abused, the way that I'm taking that $12 million and ending up in Morgan Wallins DMS and then his bed. You have me fucked up. I initially when I read that obviously without knowing all of the backstory I was like I don't know why she didn't take $12

million. That's like life changing amounts of money. But then once I like started to see and I didn't click on anything because I figured we'd talk about it. So initially it was like $12 million to be deal, but also it wasn't like a lump sum of $12 million either. It was like over the course of time and it's like, fuck you. Well, guaranteed that was strategic

from a legal standpoint as well, right? Because they're going to be terms that are behind that $12 million. So in my opinion, his legal said we will offer her $12 million over three years, not a lump sum, because at the point that she violates this NDA, then she has not collected all $12 million. Offering to pay someone in exchange for an NDA, is that not

bribery or coercion and like sort of defeats the entire purpose? Because like, when you sign certain agreements and you are not in the right state of mind or you're forced into something or you felt like you were backed up against a wall, aren't there? Wouldn't there be loopholes? Like I just don't like... No, I get it. You don't have another option. I get it. I also have a theory that Dave is probably giving her extra money for her to be able to tell her story and a space that she feels comfortable being able to do so. I don't really

know. I don't know what her payment structure looks like with barstool. I would assume that it's on salary, just like everything else. Well, she needs a raise if that's the case, because we know that, that Dave is a marketing legend. But at the same time, if that's the case, please give her a fucking raise because I think you're right. What I know about Barstool is that they cap their host at like a certain...

It's a salary. That just sounds I don't, I personally wouldn't do that. But I mean, I personally wouldn't do it either. But you also have to look at people like Alex Cooper, who was in that situation, left that situation went out on our own and making millions and millions and millions and millions of dollars. So like maybe the risk is worth the reward in the end. I don't know. Well, a lot of, let's not, let's keep in mind though that a lot of times the hosts don't own the IP and their RSS feed. They don't own their own content.

People like Dave and Barstool would own call her daddy. So I think that whole thing was a whole situation in and of itself because I mean, we know when Coffee Combos was with our initial one was that technically we didn't own our own work. Which is insane to me. And I could not imagine giving rights to intellectual property to someone else. That that's crazy's crazy but again look at how it played out for Alex Cooper yeah that was a unique situation and Dave probably

will never put himself in a position where that can happen again last thing that I want to say on this situation is that allegedly Zack saw pictures of chicken fry from the Golden Globes and she had posted these photos on Instagram which I'm like girl if you look that good go on with your bad self and post the shit on Instagram like I don't care if you're out here posting thirst traps even though you've got a man everybody knows you've got a man she looks good though she looks really good he wanted her to delete the post because he said that he did not want to be associated with someone that She looks good though. She looks really good. He wanted her to delete the post

because he said that he did not want to be associated with someone that dressed like that. I just, I'm a big fan. I'm crying on the back and honestly the next girl is gonna have an unlimited amount of hate. 100% and I just wanna say last thing on this situation, I stand with chicken fry and unfortunately I've got to delete my playlist and that breaks

my heart because I listened to Zach Brian like when something in the orange came out. That's like me and will something in the orange tells me we're not done. What the fuck is something in the orange? I'm going to need you to immediately verse yourself on it, like maybe stream it from the dark web so he doesn't get a download, but like, you need to listen to it. I don't know if I want to support that because if I like it and I want to listen to it, I just don't think that's a great idea. I think you need to listen to it.

Okay. And see what type of artist he truly is and the fact that he could ruin all of that shit because obviously there's like mental health things that are going on that makes him who he is like as a person. I just have so many questions like what happens to Zach brian from here because unfortunately I don't think this is enough to cancel him indefinitely. It should be enough, but I don't think it's gonna be. I don't think it will be either. But I think that is part of the ploy for PR. It's like, Oh, I'm just going to get my masters in

Paris. He's insane. He's truly fumbled the bag. And I hope that he feels every last bit of it. And like also, what do you need your masters for? Probably because he's about to his musical career is about to drop significantly. And I told implode. On that note, we have foul play. Okay, let's do foul play. Let me start by setting the stage. I am 18

years old and the love of my life moves back in town after living across the country for the last five years. I am so excited to finally exist with him in real time and in person. We start hooking up and hanging out for a few weeks. One day he asked me to ditch a university class for a quickie. I'm going to assume this person doesn't live in the United States. Yeah, because if you refer to college as university, you're definitely not from the United States. Yep.

I agreed. I went over to his house and we got straight down to business. At the end of our sex appointment, I asked where the condom was and he went straight to the bathroom and said, I flushed it. And we went on about our days. Six days later, my period started. And as I normally do, I put a tampon on.

Later that day, when I went to change my tampon, I pulled it out and the condom came out with it. The condom was literally on top of the tampon and it was the most disgusting thing that I have ever seen. It took me at least 15 seconds of staring into the toilet, like what the fuck is that? And then I noticed it was the condom from our last hookup. I texted him and told him how dangerous it was and asked why he didn't just tell me that it

had fallen off inside me so that I could have retrieved it right away. He was probably too embarrassed to tell me that in the moment he wrote back that's fucking gross. Why would I tell why would you tell me that and never apologize to me? Needless to say that was the end of my love for him after five years of wishing that he would move back. Fuck him. Seriously, the fact that you are having sex, but you don't feel comfortable enough to have sexually related conversations is a huge fucking problem and shame on him for gaslighting her.

I just feel like you should be able to have any conversation at the point that a dick enters you. The point that you are getting naked with each other or having any sort of inner course in any way, shape or form, you should be able to have those comfortable conversations. 100% That makes me sick that and then he tried to flip it on her fuck. But how maybe I'm stupid. But how does a condom get stuck in

there? Maybe I'm stupid, but how does a condom get stuck in there? It's definitely happened to me. So like, if they go soft, and they don't, like if you guys are like laying there and he's like inside of you still and it goes soft, the condom can slip out and stay inside you and you don't feel it. Oh wow. Wow. I'm so sorry that that happened to you. Did it also stay in you for a whole- Absolutely not. No? Absolutely. The only thing that stayed in me for a long time was a tampon once.

Okay, here is a good idea for everybody who's listening to this. If you do not use a vaginal suppository, immediately go purchase some because I absolutely love using vaginal suppositories and that would prevent any type of situation like that from ever happening like a lost tampon or a condom. Wait what? Because you're sticking the vaginal suppository up your hoo-ha. Well I have a great brand for that called

Ora and I'll give you I'll post a code for y'all. Yeah please post the code. Next foul play. This morning we are getting ready for her school day and my and I'll give you I'll post a code for y'all. Yeah, please post the code. Next foul play. This morning we are getting ready for her school day and my day of being a homemaker and running errands. We're in the bathroom, I'm doing my eyeliner and she's peeing. This is important so just bear with me.

She accidentally does one of those all air farts that kind of sound like you're hissing out of your ass and she laughs and says, I just farted while peeing. I chuckle and tell her that happens sometimes. Then she goes, sometimes I fart out of my vagina, mom. And all of your podcasts involving queefing, I've listened to every episode of the podcast, y'all. I have died laughing.

And she couldn't understand why it was so funny, but I decided to join in on the laughter. Just pray for me that school distracts her enough today that she forgets to come home to talk to me about it Wait is queefing not just for like adults No, I think it's like a natural occurrence like I don't think that there's a preventative or and I don't think it's just for adults No, but like what would cause? Someone who's not sexually active to queef because I feel like the only time that's ever happened to me is

sexually active to queef because I feel like the only time that's ever happened to me is like from air. Okay. Yes, but it can happen not from sex. But then how does air get up there that I'm unsure of? You know what I mean? No, I, I definitely understand what you're saying, but like, I don't know. So that would be the question that I have as well. Like I'm not just walking around fucking queefing around town. Can let me Becky's wife is a PA in the er I'm going to ask her if she knows can you ask Leah if she knows how air would get inside of vagina causing a girl to queef without having sex. I'll let you know what she says I'll circle back on the next episode. Yeah, circle back and let me know because that's very

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