Coffee Convos with Kail Lowry and Lindsie Chrisley - Being The Mother I Never Had

Episode Date: April 20, 2023

CC281: Kail starts the episode HOT with her thoughts on a Tiktok that talks about parents who conveniently choose when to properly parent. She can't help but to think about the times she experienced similar things with her own mom, and Lindsie brings up an interesting point in regards to her mom's actions. Lindsie finally let Jackson ride the school bus and while Jackson was excited all around, Lindsie shares her hesitation and the selfishness she's been feeling about the situation.Also on tap, Kail needs advice on her toddler's sleep regression, Lindsie is disgusted by a janitor's drive to spread STDs in a workplace, and if you see Kail walk into the men's bathroom, it's okay she's just checking on her kids. Check out our Instagram @coffeeconvospodcast for more!  Thank you to our sponsors!BiOptimizers: Use code COFFEECONVOS for 10% off any order at magbreakthrough.com/coffeeconvosJenni Kayne: Find your forever pieces @jennikayne and get 15% off with promo code COFFEE at jennikayne.com/home! #jennikaynepartnerLiquid IV: Get 20% off when you go to liquid-iv.com and use code COFFEECONVOS at checkoutMood: For 20% off your first order and FREE gummies, go to hellomood.com and use code COFFEECONVOS

I hate gift-giving and receiving receiving gifts is so weird. What do you say? Thank you This is coffee convos with Kale Lowry and Lindsay Chrisley. I really want you to be in your feels Kale That does not interest me whatsoever. I feel very attacked by you a spirited discussion about motherhood friendship Family and life in the public eye. I'm just not with the fakery anymore. There's a fakery bakery around here Here's Kale and Lindsay I kind of have bubbleguts right now. Have we recording? Welcome to coffee combos. Happy Thursday. You just ruined my appetite. I'm sorry. Okay. Can I ask you? First of all, happy Thursday. Welcome everybody. Thank you for joining our bullshit

I'm peeling banana and I need to know do you like bananas that look like this with like the brown stains on them? Well, that's what I was about to ask you because we all know that you love like the green ones So like why are you eating that? I mean, it's really the options and I have become like a Person that doesn't like to waste right and Lux is your child because Lux also likes green bananas He does not yes. He does not like bruised. He won't eat it if it's bruised see that's that's why I love him And he likes to clean bathrooms and shit. Yeah, I love that your kid. He's your kid He told me last night. He wanted to get back in my vagina. So Back up. How does he know that he came from that?

He just be knowing No, you don't just be knowing he does He has older brothers and no, there's no there's no I Don't even know my house is a free for fucking all like I woke up to post it notes from Isaac on my door Because I'm doing a post with Bellessa and their sex toys and Isaac is not dumb So he saw the sex toys in a box on the counter and I woke up to a post no on my door that said put your Keychains away and don't leave them on the counter. First of all, are they key chains? I don't I

Don't know I don't even know why he called them that and he and then the next door because I have like a door to my room and then A door to like my like hallway The next one said use a condom before you end up with yet another kid Who wrote that Isaac Isaac? It's like because of your attitude that is enough control for me Your attitude did it for me I Between him and Lux and Natalie was sitting right there when he said that and she just was like

And I was like listen, this is how it goes in my house. I don't know Jackson asked me Probably two weekends ago. We were just like driving casually down the road And I thought the Lexus was literally gonna hit the ditch when he was like so like mom Where do I come from? and I'm like well Your dad and I were in love at one point and we prayed a lot for you No, don't pull a Susie. Don't do that. Don't do that. We prayed a lot for you and And God answered our prayers and

You were born. Oh, no No because when my mom Susie Q said that to me my happy ass was Praying like there was no tomorrow for a sibling because she told me But you don't even know who you was praying to I didn't know and I was just like I want a sibling so bad and it never happened Okay, it never happened and then I started playing praying for a fucking dog and that also never happened

So I am scarred for life. That's probably why I have the beliefs that I have now. I can't okay, so I Have to tell you about this video that I saw okay, okay, and It's about essentially parents who feel like parenting is optional And I've related so fucking hard to this video because my mom was the same way like The second that I found out that she found out that I was pregnant with Isaac She could not wipe her hands clean fast enough and like throughout the years prior to that My mom was very much like if someone else will take Kalen She didn't ask questions. She didn't pick me up like you guys you know that story, right?

Like you guys know that so as soon as she found out was pregnant was like her excuse to like end it all like she has no parenting No more parenting left for her so in this video Where you go any further? I did want to ask you I've wanted to ask you this for a while Do you think that your mom potentially had some form of postpartum or or did it Take a shift at some point like was she a good mom whenever you were born and like take care of you Or was it always like from day one? According to my dad when I met him He said that the only nine months that he knew her to be sober was while she was pregnant and he was shocked that she even

stayed sober that long and Immediately following my birth almost it was like almost right back into the same thing I think he said that she like successfully breastfed for like maybe a couple weeks and then from that like and she produced a lot so I think she froze a lot of it and then I don't think that she And I now that you bring that up like that never crossed my mind. I just wonder if she did because a bond It was almost like a bonding thing like she couldn't bond with me maybe and then throughout the years. It was like Yeah, yeah, I mean that's definitely possible if she has depression. So like that that could be very possible I just wonder because

Stories that my dad has told me about my birth Seem kind of similar as yours like right after I was born I was not a planned Situation at all, right? My parents were very very young came from two different worlds in the same area though, and I don't think that either side of my grandparents were like excited about it But we're embracing the situation for what it was worth, right? they

Got married only because They were pregnant with me and they would have never gotten married had they not been pregnant with me, but in the South That's kind of a thing, you know, like if you get pregnant you're tall, you know Like if you get pregnant out of wedlock, then you Marry that person that doesn't surprise me because and I know it's a little bit more of like the Midwest than the South I don't know if it's Texas like the Midwest or the South some people consider Texas the South I would consider it the Midwest, but that's a whole argument in itself and every person that lives in Texas is gonna say it's the South So when I was pregnant with Isaac my cousins in Texas were trying to convince me to marry this guy

And basically leave Joe and go down there to Texas and you know They would let me borrow their truck so that I could you know have a vehicle and I can marry him And I think they were like their values were very much like southern values or Midwest values You know not having a child out of wedlock and they knew my situation with Joe wasn't great So they were really trying to convince me to do the right thing But obviously that didn't happen. But yeah, no, I I'm curious. I'll ask my uncle. He was texting me the other day I'm gonna ask my uncle if he thinks that that could have possibly been an off like a Well, so my parents got married and the stories that I've heard and you know when like you grow up in a toxic

Situation with two parents. They both have their sides of the stories and then both of my grandparents have their sides of the stories and I was told from both sides that Both of their parents told them on the day of the wedding like you don't have to do this like it's okay You don't have to do this so fast forward to My birth this was only a couple of months before my birth so she was like very pregnant when she walked down the aisle and My dad said that when she had me she looked at the doctor and said hand her to her dad and

There was like a form of rejection Immediately and so I just wonder I don't know enough about postpartum to know if it can be like instant like that I think I think it can I kind of did a similar situation with Lincoln when he was born. I was like they were like do you want to hold him? I held him for a second. I was like you can give him to hobby I just but I don't know that that was like a postpartum thing I think it was almost like I was just so overwhelmed and it was just a lot for me That's it's hard because I I don't think that that means that you know, she didn't love you or anything

I think it's just motherhood birth Labor delivery all of that takes such a toll on people and I just I think that everyone handles it differently And if there is any predisposition or like predisposal to mental illness or postpartum or depression in general I think it can show up after birth and I do think too that when it's an unplanned situation and You're not living like you're I don't want to I don't want to say a fantasy But like you're not living your perfect life that you have imagined in your mind

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At some point he decided he was no longer going to give her the money for the cap and gown for graduation because he didn't really like her attitude and So when the deadline came dad was like nope. Don't like your attitude. The girl has to pay. She's in high school Okay, she's 17 years old. She works five days a week She has to pay her own phone bill by her own food at her at her house and then she she gets herself to and from work via uber She doesn't get a ride. She doesn't have her own car. She doesn't have any of that Her dad requires her to use uber or like get to work on her own father says she doesn't just deserve anything and you know, my thoughts are just like When you choose to be a parent

That is a lifelong commitment and I do agree that at some point you don't have to you know, be there financially Or if you you Financially can't be there when they're an adult. I'm talking when I say adult I mean 21 and older because realistically 18. Yes, you're a legal adult, but they are 18 That is a teenager They are not equipped with the skills to live a life most most people are not equipped to live on their own at 18 years old Especially not in this economy. So I guess this was really really upsetting to me because I feel like Not only all of this was occurring, but this man fought with the mom in a custody battle to have custody of this child

and They live with his parents So it's okay for him to be enabled by his parents But it's not okay for him to do his parental duties for his child that he fought for that doesn't work for me Yep, that is crazy. I I would tend to agree When Will and I were going through the divorce process, he was like, we've got a long time to like, you know Co-parent and do this until Jackson's 18 and my dad always said It goes far beyond 18

It does if you think that you're only going to be dealing with the person that you had a child with that you're no longer with Only until the child's 18. You're setting yourself up for failure because there is I would say for most There are probably some that can go out and support themselves and figure it out But for the most part, I would imagine that there is still some parenting going on post 18 they want to if they decide to go to college or a trade school or they join the military I mean, I just feel like some of these things are I mean I truly the way the economy is set up right now in the way society is set up I don't even believe that people are ready to move out until 25 or older at this point. It's just not affordable

It's not doable. And so like I said at some point, you know, I could understand You know the buying your own food and contributing to the house, you know Household things at some point maybe after 18 or maybe after 18 you're required to Pay your own phone bill and things like that. But those are part of being a parent Those are part of the responsibilities that you have and you owe to your child. Your child did not ask to fucking be here Your child did not ask to be here. And so yes, I'm some, you know, I'm some she already has a job Get let's give her that. I mean, she's working five days a week as a student And now you're gonna say she's not getting the money for a cap and fucking gown. Like are you kidding me?

That to me is so crazy. It's funny that you said that to you about Not choosing to be here because I told my dad not too long ago. Anytime I have like a bad day I'll be like, listen, like I did not choose this like you guys chose this you guys chose to lay down You chose to fuck and you chose to have me. So like this is a problem. This is a problem. Not a me problem I also agree that there are certain things as a parent. I could never imagine like going to my parents home and Them being like, oh, we'll make sure you bring your food for the week or Could you imagine? I don't even know what I would say. That was like my mom Would have like those rules when I lived with her and her boyfriend at the time and I was just like

All these rules for what? Like first of all, I'm stealing everything in your pantry. So like stop talking like I don't know why we're having this conversation. No, and I will say whenever I went to college I needed that time to separate from my parents because I do feel like my parents were helicopter parents growing up And I needed that separation and that time to be able to become adult on my own And so I did do a lot for myself And you know paid my own phone bill and but that should be a choice in my opinion. Yes a choice I made that choice. I was allowed to make that choice. I could have still lived by my parents rules

And they would have continued to pay right and you know, and I feel like that's fair and it's like Okay, if you want to be grown you want to act grown you don't want to abide by these rules Then go ahead and do whatever you see fit and whatever you can afford to do if you want, you know I didn't get a cell phone till I was 16 had I had the means to get a cell phone before that my mom would have She got me a cell phone, but she would have let me get my own cell phone before that, you know what I mean? So And I just feel like you don't get to pick and choose when parenting You know is convenient or acceptable for you. That's just not

I feel like a lot of people are like that in today's society though Well, it's disgusting that people lay down have children And then pick and choose when they're gonna parent and it's like if you're grown enough to lay down And make that type of decision and you should be grown enough to be able to Support that decision And if you don't feel like you can do that Adoption is always an option step away I say if if you can't take on the responsibilities, don't mess your child up worse by not taking on the responsibility

Because you don't want to have to make a hard decision. It's a hard decision to put your child up for adoption, of course Like I'm I couldn't even imagine like what that would could you was that ever an option for you? Like did you ever think about it? No, you didn't no, so you were like, I'm just gonna like figure out I remember finding out for the first time When we filmed 16 and pregnant and we were at the table at Joe's parents house talking about it And Joe was like, I would have liked to look at adoption That was the first time I ever heard him say that and I had no idea Um, that he would have considered that I would have never considered it. That was not something that I'm like, I think

Back then I was so damaged and so, you know, all the things. I mean, do I think Isaac could have gone to a good family? Yeah, I thought that was the case, but I was determined to raise my own child Do you think some of it was because you felt like you weren't raised? Yeah, I do think and and I'm only saying that now because I've been through therapy, but I do think it was almost like me trying to hear Heal my own inner child and so it's like, oh, I'll have this child and I'll you know Raise this child in all the ways that I wasn't raised and I know that's not healthy, but I was also 16 and 17 years old so Um, you know, if I could go back in time and have the exact same kid at a later time

Uh-huh. Maybe, you know, but um, yeah, I definitely think I was trying to heal my own My own trauma. I say that too that sometimes I feel bad for certain things that I've done with Jackson because And like initially when I found out that I was pregnant in my mind and in my soul I was like, I'm gonna get to be the mother that I never had So like maybe there was some of that with you too. Oh, well, yeah, I definitely think so Um in other news, can I tell you something that I said we were never going to do at this house? And then it happened this week. Let me guess something you were never going to do at this house and then it happened

Um, what is it? Jackson drove the school bus for the first time yesterday Did he love it? Oh, he loved it like he came home talking about wanting to ride the school bus and just with like I don't know. I'm just really weird I feel safe knowing that I drop him off at school and I watch him walk in and I know he's safe at the school And then I know that he's still in that building safe when I pick him up And the thoughts of like the bus and him potentially getting lost Terrifies me. I remember when um, we made the move from South Carolina to Atlanta

My dad put Kyle and I on the bus like immediately when we started our new school And we missed our bus stop and like I think I've been traumatized from that like ever since because I didn't know where we lived Okay, so that's where all of this comes from. Yeah And okay, I'm just like sometimes do not ever see like a bus Just like you feel like they're kind of like erratic driving Because they're like well if these flashers are on and shit and you see Public school system like on the side that immediately means I can do whatever the fuck I want to on the road Like that's what I feel like school buses do

and Then the other thought is you have to worry about trusting other people on the road So if he had to cross the road, I think about the most morbid stuff like what if somebody hit him? Right because not even stops when they put their stop signs out I had to start riding the bus when I was in fourth grade Because up until that point I was just kind of shuffled wherever Whoever would take me my cousins my grandparents whoever and so I always had a ride to school and from school because There was no designated bus stop for where I would be

Um, and I was fucking terrified and I cried and cried and cried. Please don't put me on the bus Um, and then I loved it and it was fine. My kids love the bus and they want to drive Um, unfortunately where we live, they can't get the bus Um, and I school choice so they unfortunately can't get it But they lux just asked me he's like when am I going to get to ride a bus again? And I'm like As soon as possible because it would make my life So much easier if my kids got on a bus Oh wills like this is the greatest thing ever

Like you would think that he might drop a trophy off over here honestly like When I told him that I would go to the school because Jackson approached me about this And he was like, you know, my friends ride the bus and like I really want to ride the bus and so Before he got on the bus. He's always known My address since we've moved to this house and my phone number and he can like say it by heart Never skips a beat good Will's No clue. I don't know. I just live in that neighborhood

But that's it. That's all he knows. Okay. No before you get on this bus You have to know my address. You have to know your dad's address You have to know my phone number and your dad's phone number like in case anything happens I go up to the school and I'm like He needs a tag like so if they know that he's a new bus rider like he's never ridden the bus He needs to sit the front like I don't want him at the back of the bus um Something else also happened to me when I was in sixth grade on the bus where some

Older kid. I think he was in like eighth grade was talking about how he was going to try to finger me on the bus And I didn't even know what that was So I went home and like told my parents I was like this boy keeps harassing me and he's going to do some type of fingering and I was like I don't know what that is. Oh my god I'm literally just like terrified of the bus. So I'm like no backseat of the bus like it has to be the front I have to know who you're sitting by like I think our school system has a sign seating on the bus. So

I remember when we rode the bus It was not like that like you just got on and you sat like wherever with whomever um, I have Experienced both some buses that I was on had assigned seats and some you had like unofficial assigned seats So like you pick a seat on the first day and that's your seat the whole year, but it doesn't like say your name Okay, but this is something that I'm struggling with because Jackson's with will on monday's and tuesday's He's with me on wednesdays and thursdays and because of the chaos of having like two buses I'm like, these are the things that you don't think about in coparenting, right? Like this type of shit

I don't want him to be on two separate buses on those Days, right? I'm like, I'll pick you up in carpool on my days and then like you can ride the bus to dad's on his days And will loves that because he hates it in carpool and he bitches me out weekly um Jackson was to ride the bus every single day, but it's really hard for me because I don't want him to grow and this is selfish of me But I don't want him to grow more attached to like will's house or neighborhood because he's like riding that bus

Does that make sense? Okay. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, and like I don't know how to deal with those feelings And I told Jackson I was like, hey, we're just gonna like See how it goes on monday and tuesday and then if it goes like well Then we'll talk about it and Because that is his desire. I probably will give into it, but I don't think it's going to be an easy transition no because I want him to He does view both of our homes his home Equally, but he's always known like my address my phone number like all the things

So now I feel like there's like a little bit of a shift happening with him riding the bus over there because he has more friends That live in that neighborhood than he does in mine. I have also struggled with that Because hobby has always lived in a nice neighborhood with other kids Where I've never lived in a neighborhood that had other like I've lived in a neighborhood But not that had like kids to play with So I always was like damn like not only are you your dad's favorite for Lincoln, but like You also have all the kids to play with and it just like Hurts my mom heart, but over time you become used to it and you're just you're you'll get you'll get used to it

And it'll be just different like you and Jackson will have Your things and then he'll have like his thing at his dad's and if that's riding the bus then so be it Well, but even if it's on my days, do I allow him to ride the bus over there? And I just pick him up It's no bus stop It's no shorter or Faster for me to go to wills to the bus stop than it is for me to go and sit in the school Carpool line. So I'm like if it's his desire

That's what joe used to do joe when the bus used to pick Isaac up at the bus stop rate at my old house Instead of joe driving the kids all the way to school on his days or kids only one kid, but He would just go to the bus stop in my neighborhood And so like even if it wasn't my even if it wasn't my week joe would be at the bus stop with Isaac See, I love that because it is Consistency and also there is a benefit in it too that Jackson sees like okay mom and dad are still working together to make me happy Right, right, right, right, you know, yeah No, I think but this is a big deal for me

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I let him just stay in my bed because I'm exhausted. He's exhausted. Whatever on other nights I will get up with him and take him back to his room, put him to sleep and I'll come back down to my room Last night was one of the nights that and then to top that off. He wants to sleep with every single of his favorite wrestlers So he's sleeping with about 10 of those little action figures And I'm frustrated because he only has a full-size bed I already don't hardly fit in there with him and all the wrestlers And then last night the first time he came down the stairs He's dropping because he's holding all the wrestlers and he's dropping them on the hardwood floor

Every step he takes and it's loud as hell and I'm like what is going on He's gonna wake up all the other kids. Yes, and I'm just fucking exhausted today I literally was like I I don't even know how I'll get through the day because when I tell you he was up All fucking night. It wasn't until probably around 4 30 or 5 that he actually fell asleep And then um, Elijah gets up at he was up at 6 today, which was late for him because he's working local And I came downstairs to my bed while looks I mean Cree didn't even go to preschool today because He was sleeping and I was like I can't and so one I wanted to ask our listeners or you Have you ever dealt with this? Is this sleep regression?

Did they ever sleep with all their toy their favorite toys to the point where it's like I don't do I let them do I not let them? Is it a distraction? Do I is it keeping them up? Um, I don't really know what to I would put them back in the crib if if it if he would stay in it But he knows how to crawl out of it. Yeah, so that just completely defeats the purpose There actually was a blogger that I follow that she has a daughter who also Has gone through a sleep regression and it's probably close to around Cree's age I'll send you her page But I think that they rehired a sleep consultant because it was literally keeping them up

All night and she's pregnant again. So she's like I cannot I cannot do this and it is so taxing on your day because you feel like you have not gotten a break whatsoever um I think that Jackson did go through slightly a sleep regression But I think that it was it was once when he moved into his big boy bed. Okay. So that's pretty much Where we're at. So I'm just wondering if There is a lack of comfort in the big boy bed versus being in the crib. I asked Lux

I said does because they have bunk beds at chris's house and he said, um He doesn't wake up at all over there and his dad lays with him until he falls asleep at night And I said but I do those things and Creed and Lux's rooms are jack and jill with a bathroom. So like if you're Scared go lay with Lux. Have you thought about? um Letting them sleep together one night just to see if to eliminate to see if like maybe that's the problem

Like the separation I'm gonna do that because I'm I'm at a loss and I'm so exhausted most of the time I truly believe that my life would make a 180 or whatever 360 I don't know if I was getting proper sleep because I already have insomnia like on a regular day without kids involved So when you add a child to it as other people may know because I don't know if you if you know this But insomnia is one of the things with PCOS And that's definitely something that I have always struggled with and so that's it's not a fun time Um at all. It's not it's has it's been honestly a nightmare

Um, is he the first child that you have had that has had this? Yes. Yeah, see that's Very very frustrating and you're probably like I've already Had three and did not go through any of this until like now. Why why is this happening? This is not like I did anything different. Just I don't know So yeah, that also changed him to a new bed During daylight safe close to daylight savings too. So I'm just wondering if his sleep is just like completely off And then if his sleeping arrangements are very different at Chris's than they are

At your house Then he's going from like one thing to the next thing. That's what Natalie said Natalie was like well the transition Going from house to house is a big thing let alone from the sleeping arrangements being different Um, I might just reach back out to britney for you know a sleep a sleep consult and see what we can do because It can't be you know, I'm exhausted, but he also has to be exhausted Do the boys like having their own rooms? Yeah, they've all I mean Lincoln said that if he's going to share with anyone he want to share with creed because they're like this so Um, but I know lux would also so either one of them is fine

And I don't mind having them share a room like if that makes them feel better. That's fine Or if I have to get bump beds To match Chris's situation if creed will stay like that then I'll do it You know what I mean like I'll do whatever I need to do I just want to know like I don't want to do it and then it doesn't help Um, well keep us updated. I will on that and if anybody has any better Advice than I do then please let kale know

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According to law firms Seeking more than one million dollars the lawsuit filed january First of all if I have something terrible No, no that they should get over a million each each Yeah, it says that The man 50 was arrested on october 5th charged with aggravated assault bodily injury bodily injury with a deadly weapon And was seen on video putting his penis inside a woman's water bottle He was infected with herpes simplex virus type 1 and chlamydia at the time of his arrest

could you imagine that you are a Woman who is married engaged in a relationship has children And you have to tell your partner or your kids have to now be tested because I don't know about you guys What I share drinks with my kids all the time and sometimes not by choice But you get what I'm saying and then your partner now has to question How the fuck you got this incurable std? And now my relationship is ruined because they think I cheated on you because some fucking nut job Was literally rubbing his nuts on my water bottle like that's not even a believable fucking story

One million dollars. No no fucking way like a way long time ago I think it was like back when I was in high school There was like this new story that my dad like told literally every single person that would listen about it about a dunkin donuts worker jacking off in the cream of The cream filled donuts And it kind of reminds me of this and I'm like first of all who like what happened in your brain That made you feel like oh, I should jack off into this cream that people are going to consume

Like that has to be more than a fetish like something's wrong It says one of the women said that her water smelled like pee And a urinalysis was done and the test confirmed that urine was in the water She bought a hidden camera from amazon to place on her desk And he was seen at her desk the video clearly showed the nighttime janitor approaching the desk as if it as if he was going to clean Set the cleaning rag and the bottle and the cleaning bottle on the desk unzip his pants pulled out his penis Grab the water bottle sitting on the desk unscrewed the cap and began to insert his penis into the water bottle turning it upwards To ensure the water bottle had touched his penis

Rubbed his penis on the mouth of the bottle He then put the cap back on the bottle set it back where he found it Zipped up his pants grab the cleaning bottle and rag and continued to clean the desk Diaz did not appear nervous or phased According to the lawsuit he had done this before and it had now just become part of his daily cleaning ritual like how does that What happens to your brain that that you just are walking by With a household cleaner and a rag and you see a water bottle and you just decided to dip your dick

well, I want to know too like when this woman who Decided to put the camera there when she realized that this was happening How do you then notify every other woman in the building and say you need to come in for testing because that's essentially what needs to happen And if this is a herpes situation You either don't know you have herpes until you have an outbreak or you have to do it You find out through a blood test and you don't sometimes break out with herpes I I don't know if this is like an accurate time frame

But like I think it can take like months or years to have an outbreak if you have it Yeah, but like would it detect on a um, but it would come up in a blood test, but like you might not So like you might not know that you have it. You might not know that you were a victim of this So then you might not respond to the notice that is being do you get what I'm saying? Like if you don't have any symptoms, but you might not it's like chlamydia can lay dormant in your body for months and months and months Same thing for and also i'm don't quote me on this either, but i'm pretty sure you can get chlamydia in your mouth Wait, I'm pretty sure you can get chlamydia wherever it's like wet and warm Let me google it before because I could be spreading rumors. Can you get

That scene on mean girls you'll get chlamydia and die in your mouth You can get chlamydia by having vaginal anal or oral sex with someone who has it oral chlamydia is much less common than genital chlamydia Um, but if you get oral oral chlamydia, you might have some soreness and redness in your mouth or throat Oh my god, that's absolutely terrifying. I'm just so disgusted STDs freak me out. We've talked about this before but like I'm just like really freaked out um Can I tell you about this tick talk that I saw I saw it like a while ago and have been meaning to like talk to you about it but it was a psychologist

and It's this whole video i'll post it um, but it says I always say to men that come to me and they're saying I'm thinking about leaving my wife for my mistress and I always say your wife is a package and your mistress is a person Your wife comes with kids shared memories your families know each other in an entire package Are you going to be okay with losing that? um And she was talking about most of the time that when this happens whether it be like a man or a woman that

A lot of the time the person is seeking the attention and they like the attention that they're getting so they're willing to basically risk all of the things For the attention that they're not receiving and the life that they have With all the things that's considered like the full package versus a hypothetical or like a what if That makes sense to me But do you feel like you have ever like felt like this before like in us you have Will tell me more um My divorce, you know once I filed for divorce

I think that I struggled with the idea of making it work Because we went back and forth after I filed um, but I was getting attention in a new way from chris so I couldn't commit to Going back and committing to this relationship that I was I felt trapped in um

You know the dynamics were not good. They were very toxic at the time But also I was getting this new attention and the same thing for him Um, you know, he had someone over there that was cooking for him and doing his laundry and things like that when he was deployed And so we were both kind of getting attention from other people. Yeah But see I think it's easy to get Called up in that not that I'm saying that you made the wrong decision But I think it's easy to get caught up with something that feels like new and fresh instead of dealing with the problems. Yeah, because I mean I've said it before on this podcast, but

Um, I saw something that said if you don't fix and face what you're challenged with in your current relationship It will show up in another way in the next relationship and that's exactly what happened I had I wasn't healed when I got into a place with chris or was doing what I was doing with chris I was absolutely in no position to be in that relationship or situate whatever whatever you would consider it um, I should have work either worked harder in my marriage and fought for that or I should have stayed single for a significantly longer time. I think too that when you jump from

One thing to the next thing that you're carrying over What you had in that failed relationship Into something else and so you have to be very super mindful of that and I am in no way the person that will was married to today Like I I can provide in a different way to a relationship today because I feel like I mean We're never going to be fully healed people, right? Like there's always going to be work to do

But I feel like I am so much more healed Because I've done the work in therapy that I can show up to a relationship differently today than I could have Then and oh, yeah, you're exactly right that it is really hard when you're getting New attention that feels new and fresh and there's no trauma there. There's no history there um Then to go back and have to face all of that right where there could be pain there could be scars There could be you know bridges to cross. There's lots of you know factors. I agree with you But did you feel like a quitter or did you feel like you did what you could do and it ultimately like wasn't gonna work?

um I think that it was not gonna work. I think I feel like regardless I think I could have fought longer and differently But also I was not in a place then to go to therapy for three or four years I was not open minded and yeah, I dabbled it in a little bit. I showed up to marriage counseling, you know At six sessions. He showed up for like two of them, you know, so there were definitely We were so young that I feel like looking back. I could have tried harder or done things differently But at that time

We were not I mean, I remember him explicitly telling me that therapy doesn't work for everyone and he's not open to it and so And now he's probably you know thriving in therapy, you know, so I just don't think that um at the time I just don't think it was gonna work I also think on the therapy point that until somebody is ready to do it and they make the choice for themselves That if you force that upon somebody that's not ready to take on That journey it will never work agreed. I definitely agree with that All right, you all if you want to try something different

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I was like we need we need to do something i'm going to find like a marriage counselor like this is really like on the brinks of like bad And we went to one therapy session and he literally said this is not going to help Well, I think the other problem is too like now that we've been in therapy for as long as we have even if it's on and off We also know that once you wait until there's so many issues to go to therapy You're already pretty much on your way out to divorce I think the key to it is to start therapy sooner before there are problems or before there's a shit ton of resentment because I feel like for most women once we're checked out. We're checked out, you know, there's not really going back. We're like men I think

They don't hear us until we're checked out and so once we're checked out then they're like, oh, but I didn't even know that This is how you are feeling and it's like no, I have been telling you for four years Um, the things needed to change and they don't change and you know, so it's I think the idea would be to go to therapy first before there's a significant amount of problems Two things on that just had that conversation with someone else. I think that it is very common for Women like once they walk they've been done for a while And men for the most part operate very different differently They might be quick to like do something, but I think they play a back and forth game a lot more than what women do

And I also think that they are more willing for a reconciliation than women typically are um Well because the women is already done You're done And you can't go back and get What you had because it should have been fixed way long ago before you got to that point, right like

That that's the number one thing um, the number two thing is that If you're going to get help in therapy You should absolutely I think that the problem with today's society is that People think that therapy means that you're weak Right and that's absolutely not the case. It's like we are We are resilient. We want to do better We want to make better choices when you know better you do better and that's where it really comes from

It's not because we're weak. It's because we want the help and the tools to survive and thrive We don't want We don't want to go down, you know and barely keep our head above water trying to handle these problems and the issues in our Relationships and our personal lives and I think it's taboo or has been taboo for so long that if you are in couples counseling therapy, whatever that that automatically means that

you're like on the brinks of Divorce or you're on the brinks of a breakup and it's like that's That should not be the case. You should be actively You know working on yourself and your relationship. I think that you should be in couple if you're in a serious relationship, you should invest in Time as a couple but then also time individually and and not to say that it has to be every week or anything like that But you could go bi-weekly once a month just so you start laying the foundation for having that mediator that you know, a third party who is non-biased

bias or biased is it non-biased non-biased whatever you guys get what I'm saying To lay the foundation to me once a month and it's just like hey like these are the things that I was thinking about this month like just having A stepping stone so that in the event that things do get rockier do get harder you can then increase it You know what I mean? You can increase going to therapy or whatever I had actually mentioned that to Elijah because Elijah and I don't fight like we don't ever fight But maybe it's the trauma in me. I'm like worried that There's things that aren't being like maybe he has feelings that he's not saying to me and they're going to come up next year

Like I don't I can't predict or read minds and so I actually said to him like should we go to marriage like marriage counseling? We're not married But you get what I'm saying like just to start that and he was like we can like whatever whenever you want But like I mean I there's nothing it doesn't hurt anybody to do that I think sometimes it also If you ever have conflict It's really good to have a neutral third party there so that It's a neutral perspective because a lot of times at the point that it has reached the level that it is considered conflict

Right, you're not hearing each other. I mean I agree with you I saw this other tiktok and it immediately made me think of you And I'll also post this one But it says you don't go no contact with a man that tried to ruin you because you want to teach him a lesson you go no contact with that type of man because you finally learn yours and It's not that you weren't teaching him anything before that point because yes You kept accepting him back over and over again and kept doing the exact same thing

You are teaching him that truly changed behavior truly healing from the inside out so that he can make better decisions that is not a prerequisite in order to get access to you and I feel like we've probably all been there Trying to go no contact with someone to make them Feel what feel your absence. Yes. Yeah. I'm definitely I mean that's what I chris and I when we would break up I'd catch him cheating and go completely no contact for two weeks and then he'd come crawling back to me Or I'd go crawling back to him and it never really got anywhere Um, but I wanted him to feel

What it felt like for me to be gone and I could it just I struggled so hard to stick to it But I think at the point that they realize that You're going no contact, but when they contact you're there You're creating a monster at that point. Oh, absolutely Absolutely, and then when the again when the woman is gone Because at some point she's going to stay until she's done They don't believe it. They don't it's like they're gonna call your bluff in two weeks. They're gonna reach out and it's like no I'm really done this time

For sure. Um, but when I saw that I was like, oh, wow was was this written about kale? This was written about kale for kale Honestly, I've done this. I've done this too thinking. Oh, I'm just like I've done it to will I did a suburban dad Um, no contact is going to teach them a lesson and I'm like, first of all, I don't really know that I was put here to teach That lesson that's a lesson that they need to learn on their own and by not communicating with me But then reestablishing communication That is just a toxic pattern all together facts

facts This was in the facebook group. It says okay parents went buying clothes and shoes for your kids My son is four. Are you guys only buying the aesthetically pleasing stuff? For example, my son picked out bright blue crocs. My mom says why on earth would you let him get that color? My response is why wouldn't I he's the one wearing them? So if he likes them, why not? growing up I was only in solid or neutral colors. Now. I swear. I only feel comfortable in those colors thoughts I have so many thoughts on this. I have a lot of thoughts on this. Um

I'm not the right person to ask because I will let my kids pretty much Do whatever when it comes to their appearance. Obviously, there's a time and place for me to Assemble their outfits and make them look Put together like the Spanish night the Spanish program that they just had like two weeks ago Um, I made sure that they had, you know, the the white shirt with the black pants with the nice new shoes, but um You know, I just feel like when it comes to clothes and accessories and things like that Most of the time I let them wear whatever they want whatever color Luxe and Lincoln never match because luck Lincoln's colored lined and luxe doesn't give a fuck

So, um, I might not be the right person to ask for this Um, I have some childhood stuff to talk about when it comes to this and then also My parenting I used to be way worse about the aesthetically pleasing stuff than I am now And I think when they're little you just like want them to look like the part and be put together and be in the matching Clothes with the matching shoes and whatever I really got better when I didn't have control on the days that Jackson was going to school and doing whatever around town When he was with will like I got a picture from them at a Georgia Tech spring game This weekend and his hair wasn't brushed and his clothes were not matching

And I was just like But he was having fun, you know And that doesn't mean that we're that doesn't mean we're not cringing the whole time the whole time Yeah, I'm like Why did you allow him to brush his hair? Front forward like it was like all brushed like straight to the front and I'm like no like that's That's not how you he brushes his hair like I don't know why it looks like that But like I'm not going to say anything about it because

One it's really not my business because it's not my time and two Um, there's just like really no point. It's not bothering anybody except me probably so I can deal with that with my own self in therapy to be honest I I agree with you I mean Even when my kids are with me and I let them wear whatever they want when they're at my house on my parenting time. I am cringing I

Literally am sinking into my seat, you know thinking about how luxe wore his hair to school today but at the end of the day, it's not hurting anybody and I really don't care but um What does chat my ass and what is a problem for me on my not parenting time is that one of my children came home Yesterday and told me that their father doesn't make them shower or clip their nails or clean their ears on his on their time and that Chaps my ass. Oh, no, no, no Now if Jackson comes with janked up finger nails and toenails to my house

I will send a courtesy text and be like hey because you're negligent Um, I clipped his fingernails and toenails that should have been done Literally a week ago. Literally. Um, and he's like, oh, yeah, I probably should have done that. You're right And will doesn't always forget so I can't say that like it doesn't happen over there because he does do it But sometimes I'm just like, okay. Do you ever get your kids back and you're like, okay We need a whole like self-care day because what's going on in your existence? Like I need some whitening toothpaste I need to find nail clippers

We're going to get a haircut immediately Like you need to shower and I need to wash your hair because I don't know what type of like shits up in it um That definitely happens and I don't think we'll like really make Jackson match that much I think he just like doesn't care as long as he gets out the door and it's clean clothes It's whatever Jackson did. We went to Dix the other day And he wanted these bright green crocs and I was like Why couldn't you just get the black or gray?

um But he got the bright green crocs and I'm like, you know what that's the only person that it's probably bar bothering is my eyesight So it's okay. Whatever. It'll be fine Um Growing up. I was never allowed to wear like black tennis shoes Why don't know like I don't know I just like never got black tennis shoes And if I wanted them it was just like no like you get like gray or like white or

like a Girl color like pink or like baby blue, you know like stuff like that um And I always match. Do you remember that store? It's called like Jimberry or something. Yeah I never I never got to shop there. Ha ha. Okay. I know it so I had like the matching Sets from Jimberry until I was like very old like probably too old to be wearing Jimberry But like Todd Chrisley was like convinced that I needed to be wearing this um

so Once I phase out of like the Jimberry phase and when I tell you like I had Every outfit from Jimberry like the matching sets with the matching hair bow That like was associated Julie would take me to the mall and get like these bags of clothes and I would have to take them home For my dad to go through them and look at them and he'd be like absolutely not absolutely not absolutely not like

Anything that looked like grungy or dirty and then remember when like Abercrombie was In Hollister was like the thing like it was it like you had to have it Um, I wasn't allowed to wear like the tight tops or like anything like that. I was never allowed to wear like the skirts from there nothing so I grew up pretty stripped about like my tire and What what I could or could not wear or what was even like purchased because it wasn't purchased then you didn't have it to wear

so I'm not as much like that with Jackson, um, I try to be lenient, but I'm just like please just like match it like it even if I don't like it just like make sure it It matches, but I also think that um, there are some parents that are okay with your kids like expressing themselves through haircuts and styles and Clothes and whatever I've heard a lot of parents say find a different way to express yourself because like I can't look at that Yeah, I mean and I get it. I it is like I cringe, but I can only like one time

I showed up to because remember like it didn't matter how fucked up Susie was We were going to show up at Thanksgiving the family Thanksgiving and I remember I showed up always in a Arapastel sweat suit um, my first Arapastel Um set ever and I had two space fun ponytails. I'm sure My mom wanted to jump off a cliff that day like she was like this But my mom she wasn't going to put any effort into that so I'm sure people were like what the fuck did you let her wear? so, um, you know their kids I don't think that you know if

If my kids ever you know become famous and successful I don't think they're ever going to be like remember that time that your mom let you dye your hair red Like I just don't think that's going to be the face of there of who they are So it is what it is. It's kind of like I tell Jackson all the time Let's focus on your basketball skills. Don't focus on the win-loss record because no one's going to care including yourself Right, so same like it's the same concept. Yeah Yeah, although I do love that this person that wrote in said that they were only allowed to wear like solid or neutral colors um, I I love solid and neutral so that definitely

Works for me. Um, and I I buy black tennis shoes But you probably feel that way because of the way that you were raised as well You were only allowed to wear something so similar backgrounds. Sometimes Um, I would get black tennis shoes like as an adult and wear them intentionally to my parents house to be like, uh, I'm wearing black shoes All right liquid IV you guys know this has been a staple I actually brought liquid IV with me to Thailand because I was like after these flights and I don't know what the food will be like. I ended up being amazing

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Not like I would never let looks go in but Isaac and linking can go I told you this year that it has become Or it became a problem Jackson was like, okay go into the women's bathroom and like till he wasn't And I do think that it's more appropriate for him to go to the men's bathroom at 10 years old I do but at the same time I'm like go to a stall don't use A urinal like try to try to find a bathroom that you can lock go in like take care of your business wash your hands come out um Typically what I do is I stand like right outside the men's bathroom door and if it's been too long

I don't care if you call me a peeping Lindsay. Like I will walk in that door. I won't even And I'll be like hey Lindsay. I have full on walked into the men's bathroom to check on my kids I do not give a fuck and also Lincoln's nine and I if it's just him. I'll take him into the girls bathroom with me but That being said I have allowed them to go to the bathroom together and then It's easier for you though because you have to so it's like a buddy system, right? Like a lot of times in the school

If someone has to go to the bathroom during a non-bathroom time they'll send like a bathroom buddy Oh, like with the with the child so they're not like in the bathroom alone. Okay. Um So I know that the school like kind of works like that But if you are a mom that has one child Like one girl and one boy for example, and they need to go to the bathroom Obviously as a mom you can go on with a girl, but you can't go on with a boy, right? I'm standing outside that bathroom door and if it takes you To longer than two minutes to let it loose and like wash your hands and come back out the door

No, I am not even knocking I am not gonna put my head all the way through the thing because I don't want to see any man's job like at the urinal Um, but I'm gonna be like what the fuck's going on in here. Yeah, I mean, but also we don't have daughters So she's asking about a daughter. I also think that's a little bit Well, not that women can all be trusted, but I would much prefer A daughter going into the girls bathroom where I can go with I guess there's no real reason like it's different for moms with boys

Because we can't go into the boys bathroom, but like I also don't think That women would be bothered if we're bringing our sons in the women's bathroom I mean, I don't think so either but you always have that one weirdo That would be like he's he's old enough to be in the boys bathroom Boys bathroom and it's like well, you're old enough to also be out of my business. So cut the fuck up You're old enough to be out of my business. All right Foul play so when my boyfriend and I had been dating for about three months. We went out one night I got way too drunk and he was sober. He's been sober for six years. Anyway, this was late 2020 and I was living with my dad

He got me to my room and asked if I was okay or needed to puke I said I was fine cut to 10 minutes later. I was not fine. I rolled over Perhaps the grocery bag he set out for me and puked. That isn't the worst part I dropped the puke bag There was puke everywhere all over the floor on my books my computer and in my hair all I could do was say Oh, no, oh no over and over again This gem of a man, of course got me up showered and cleaned the entire thing up That was when I knew he was the one fast forward to now

We have two dogs and a house and we were planning to get engaged this year never settle honestly Top tier if a man will throw will clean up your throw up. He is the one for you I'm not gonna say that he's necessarily the one but he could be but he he definitely could be he's a contender He's a contender. He is well. Yeah, because Malika had definitely cleaned up my throw up before and he was not a contender but Um, Elisha has cleaned up because I've puked in the sink as you all know um Love that for you. I'm glad that you have someone that will take care of you and you guys are gonna get engaged this year It's gonna be your year

Um, are you the type of person that if you are like very ill and puking or shitting that you want everybody to like Get the fuck out evacuate. Yes. I don't want people around me for that. Yeah, like Will and I would sleep in different beds if that was going on It's like no like one of us is going to the guest room because I'm not listening to your diarrhea hit the toilet No, I don't want to listen to the puke. Like that's not a thing and I don't think that I What remember when I got really sick and chat nougat Yeah, well originally me christen and mark were sharing a room and when I got sick Immediately told christen that we need to bookmark his own room because I can't have him in the room when that was going on

But it was okay for christen to be subjected Well, she didn't care So if she didn't care then I didn't care but like at home if I was home, no get the fuck out My kids can get out. Elijah can get out. Not everyone can get out because I don't Like nobody needs to see me do all of that I just want to be trapped in a room by myself like no one bother me No one talk to me also don't ask me if I need something because you immediately know I do Like it should already be set up like don't say anything to me when I'm sleeping come put it next to my bed and get out

Yes, agree. Yes, or just like leave a little tray outside the door and send a courtesy text like bitch stuff is at the door Right. No, I agree with that. I wholeheartedly agree with that. Like I don't ask me if I need anything. You know what I need Agreed. Um, okay second foul play. Hey y'all I look forward to your podcast weekly and making my husband listen to it with me in the car But my foul play story happened about 11 years ago when I was 14 My cousin had a waterslide party at my uncle's house and my dad brought my brothers and I I was wearing a tinkini That was held up by a string around my neck. I go up the waterslide and go down belly first dumb decision I stood up at the bottom of the waterslide and I heard gasps. I looked down and the top

My top is half down with one boob out. I was mortified And my uncle is right beside me going up the waterslide slide stairs and he saw I immediately went And found my dad and told him what happened and sat on the couch with a cover up for the rest of the party My dad still jokes about it to this day. My uncle has never mentioned it Hope this made y'all laugh and have a great day I mean 14 is like that awkward age where you're like still very much a kid and so it's very innocent and you're like, okay But like also you're probably a freshman in high school and you feel like a woman So like, oh my god, my uncle just saw me naked

Well, and also in a situation like that, I don't care if I'm 14 or if I'm 33 like don't sit there quietly Just be like, yo your nipples out just Just like tell me I mean like that happened to me at the beach that you saw it Yeah, and I looked down and my whole top was off and it was not a good time But I mean it is what it is. We all have that's literally like my worst Nightmare I always think about that when I'm at the beach or I'm at the pool It's like when you're wearing a swimsuit

It's so comfortable, but also so uncomfortable too Because if you're like laying out on a lounge chair and your legs are like kind of like up and you're just like catching some sun and some breeze Like you want to make sure your lips are like fully in yeah, so like I feel like I'm constantly checking To make sure your lips are tucked Yeah, like and like all good And also like if my nipples are out so I am very specific about the types of bathing suits that I Buy and I do all of those checks when I try them on so

Like I do weird shit when I try on bathing suits like I need to like wear it around the house I might go and lay on my bed put my legs up like take a picture and see like what it looks like down there in case I was like at the beach and someone saw Um, and that's how I determine if I'm keeping it or not. Oh man. Well, I um Um, wore shorts not that long ago on my own couch at home And I didn't have underwear on and I was sitting with like my leg up like this Like you always sit like that. Yeah, and Natalie was like kale My whole fucking lips were out

And I was like, oh my god, and I hadn't shaved in like two weeks So I'm sure and that's a that's an image that Natalie would love to get out of her head Stop wait. Okay. So I have two things. You and I are going to both me and Nashville next week. Yes For three reasons coffee combo's podcast. Oh, yeah fairly famous and the southern teeth, um And I want to ask you if you will accompany me to get my second whole pierce. Yeah, sure I um, I have like 11 on this year

Okay, but christen was telling me because I told her I was like I want kale to go with me to get like my second whole pierced And she's like, oh, she totally will she has a whole curated year And I'm like, what the fuck is a curated year? So they the piercer will style like a fake silicone ear And then that was my phone and then um, you get pierced where the style like if you like the style I'll send you some and they actually have really pretty ones. Um, and I love buda jewelry. It's like, um, That's the name of the company

And they do like curated years and stuff and they're just so cute. Okay, so you're coming with right? Yeah And I'm gonna send you you're gonna hold my hand and I'm gonna be fine. You're gonna be fine um The next thing that I want to say and leave everyone with is I saw this on instagram this morning and it said Learning to stay calm when you feel disrespected is a different type of growth. Yeah, and on that, um That's all that we have time for today If you guys have not followed us on at coffee combos podcast on instagram

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