Coffee Convos with Kail Lowry and Lindsie Chrisley - Bhabie v Barker & Dealing with ADHD and OCD

Episode Date: February 27, 2025

CC401: Kail gives Lindsie the rundown on the Alabama Barker Bhad Bhabie diss track drama and, wow, we are gonna need a chart for this one. Kail also gives an update on why she stopped taking her ADHD meds, Lindsie shares how she had some kind of post partum OCD or anxiety that definitely wasn't okay, and Lindsie also talks about getting Jackson on medication but not always having it be a consistent need. A listener asks how she can better herself and "fill her cup" after realizing that she doesn't really have any hobbies and it's causing a strain in her marriage. Thank you to our sponsor! DraftKings: Download the DraftKings Casino app and sign up with promo code COFFEEHappy Mammoth: Get 15% off on your entire first order at happymammoth.com just use the code COFFEECONVOS at checkoutHungryroot: Get 40% off your first box PLUS get a free item in every box for life at Hungryroot.com/convos and use code convos Progressive: Visit Progressive.com to learn more RoBody: Find out if you’re covered at Ro.Co/COFFEECONVOS. Go to Ro.Co/Safety for boxed warning and full safety information.Wayfair: Visit Wayfair.com or get the Wayfair mobile app.

I hate gift giving and receiving. Receiving gifts is so weird. What do you say thank you? This is Coffee Convo's with Kale Lowry and Lindsey Chrisley. I really want you to be in your feels, Kale. That does not interest me whatsoever. I feel very attacked by you. A spirited discussion about motherhood, friendship, family,

and life in the public eye. I'm just not with the fakery anymore. There's a fakery bakery around here. Here's Kale and Lindsey. Hello, Lindsay. Good morning, Coffee Combo's podcast. When I woke up, I must have been dreaming about the podcast because I was saying an intro to the podcast. I said, Hey, mates.

Like you woke up to yourself talking. The anxiety of recording sometimes I was like, I feel like I have so much on my plate. Sometimes I'm like, okay, I just need to finish this before I start recording. But that's not how it works. So I'm about to open my little orange energy. Oh, are we on bloom now? Well, actually been on bloom for a long time. I've been a bloom girly. I do like I like

them a lot. I feel like I don't know. It's not it might not be true. I have no idea. But they feel healthier. You know what I mean? They feel healthier. No, look at this. My drink. I have to use Jackson's cups because please tell me how to like shaker bottles just go missing. I don't know. I only own one for that reason. I owned probably five or six shaker bottles and have not been able to locate them since I moved. So either the person that moved into my old house has them and I just didn't take them or I can't find a new drawer.

And some of them are expensive. They're very expensive and all mine came from Dix. Okay. We love Dix. We love Dix Sport love dicks. We love dicks sporting goods. We love dicks in general. Can, can I also tell you that Jackson has decided that he's going to start doing recipes evidently? Oh, good. What kind? Could he teach me how to cook? But on his own without permission.

Oh, good. Okay. I'm sure you love that. So I walked down to my kitchen the other morning and I go to do something on my stove and I see footprints like across the top of my stove and I'm like, well, that's very dangerous. Like, what were we doing in the danger zone? I go to my sink and there is a whole concoction of shit in my sink. Then I go to my refrigerator to get fruit out and he has made homemade cane sauce for himself.

Oh, I mean, that's creative. We have no chicken in this house. You want to dip french fries? We didn't have any of that. Like he just came downstairs sometime in the middle of the night and made homemade cane sauce. Good. Got it. Okay. so he was just testing out the recipe so that when y'all did have chicken and french fries and all of the things that you,

he would know how to make it. Lincoln also was looking for, he loves raising canes, which is so funny to me because I don't personally didn't, I like, I don't think it's exceptional by any means. Um, it's definitely not. It's actually my least favorite chicken place. I would agree the chicken. It's I mean, the cane sauce is okay.

But the chicken itself is very is mediocre at best. And I'll tell you something else that tastes very mediocre to me right now. What? Yeah, I'm not I'm not a big Chick-fil-A girly. I haven't been for a long time. My kids still really like it. But yeah, do you think that they change their ingredients? Because Lincoln claims that they change the something that they do with their fries so that like the fries stay fresh longer and crispier longer and they don't get soggy. He said they I want to say he changed. Lincoln

said they changed like the protein or something. Yeah, they did. They did a whole like release on it, that they changed it. And when I tell you, I haven't had Chick-fil-A probably in three weeks, which doesn't sound like a very long time, but I was an avid Chick-fil-A girly goer. Yeah, oh, we know, we know.

We know, I was supposed to leave for the beach today. Why didn't you? Well, in the panhandle where I was going, a cold front came through. The Airbnb that we rented did not have a heated pool, but it's been in like the 70s there. So I was like, we don't really need a heated pool. It'll be fine.

Well, now it's like low 50s. So had to rent a new Airbnb. Don't even know if like money is gonna be able to be gotten back on the other one. Have no idea. But like, if you take your kids to the beach, what are you supposed to do if they don't have pool entertainment? I didn't even know the beaches were warm at this time of year. So I, I'm at a loss.

So now we are going to sky zone and target today to try to make up for the fact that we are not going to the beach today and we're going to drive early in the morning. Do you remember when I was supposed to go to LA for Barely Famous and I canceled the trip? Yeah. Airbnb and did not get any of my money back when I canceled. There were several reasons I needed to cancel. There was a lot of reasons I needed to cancel.

I needed to cancel because the wildfires would be very out of touch for me to go. And LA is still having some struggles and devastation and travesty and everything that they're going through on top of the fact that all these planes keep coming up on my timeline. I was like, I cannot fly right now. And so there were just several reasons that I was like, I do not feel like it would be a good decision for me to go. And so there was just several reasons that I was like, I do not feel like it would be a good decision for me to go and I could not get my money back for the Airbnb. That kind of stuff pisses me off so bad while I understand that it's like people's businesses and stuff and like that's how they make their money. And you probably took time away or

potentially took time away from somebody else being able to book. I'm sure that's their justification, but like stuff does come up. Well, my heart goes out to all the people that are affected by these plane crashes because I would like for them to stop showing up on my timeline. I think that you got them to start showing up on my timeline. So now I'm like absolutely no aircraft whatsoever. Don't care what aircraft it is. I will not be airlifted anywhere. No, not for this, not for a little while. Another thing that I need to discuss with you,

I'm back on this training my hair journey. Oh, okay, love that. So my hair has not been washed since Friday. It looks good to me. It doesn't look dirty. It doesn't look like you haven't washed it. It looks good. But when It doesn't look dirty. It doesn't look like you haven't washed it. It looks good. But when you don't wash your hair, like when it starts getting like a little bit oily around

the face, it starts really aggravating me. Yeah, once it starts like, yeah, no, I can get that. I washed my hair last night. I went darker at the root so that you couldn't really tell as much, but I'm struggling to curl my hair properly with short hair. I'm really struggling to give it the look that Taylor gives it when she does a blowout. Where are you using the wand? Yeah, I'm using a wand, but it's just not coming out the same way when she does it. I need to know from the people listening to this, if you're a wand girl or if you are a clamp curling iron

girl, because I have always been a clamp curling iron girlie and have never been able to use a wand. The one time I tried to use a wand, I burnt the shit out of myself. Oh, well, I can't use a curling iron because when I crimp, when I like clamp it, it like it leaves this hard line of a crease. So we're opposites. I've never had the hard line of a crease,

but everybody messages me on my Instagram. They're like, what do you use to curl your hair? And I think it's more of the weight that you use on the clamp. Does that make sense? When you're curling, when you go to clamp it, you're putting too much weight on the clamp. Like I'm holding it too tight basically.

Yeah. Okay. So I'll, I don't own, actually don't own one, but I'll have to try it out. But I also, I'm like, maybe I should wait for it to grow out a little bit before I try it, because it also is not, it is harder to curl shorter hair. Oh, it's so much harder to curl shorter hair.

I don't miss my short hair at all. Like it was a cute moment, but I don't miss it. You're like, fuck it. I'm not going back to short hair. Also back on like my skincare, girly days. I started doing the same skincare that you and Kristen use. Oh, good. Do you love it? What is it like CEO or whatever else? Yeah. So I used it. I use like a couple of their products a couple of years ago, but I never had the full lineup of stuff. And I feel like that might be where I was going wrong with like all my skincare. I was getting like a little bit

from like this brand and a little bit from that brand. Having like the full lineup of one brand that's really good is very advisable. I struggle with how many steps it is because it is a lot of steps. I always was wondering about like, your pores can only be so deep. How much product are we actually absorbing when we have 12? I'm exaggerating by saying 12 steps, but I think mine is like six or seven steps. Mine too. How much is it actually absorbing? But my skin feels the difference. And so I don't care as long as it is working. I will say that I did not have any powder today. I couldn't find my loose, like

Laura Marcier. Oh, like the setting powder? Yeah. And so I missed that step and I noticed that my skin looks like it's just like, looks like a greasy mess. It's not even like a nice highlight. It's like a, it's a donut. Yeah. Well, just like too much. But I didn't have my setting spray or my setting powder. And I was like, what a difference, like one product will make in your entire life. Oh, it's so crazy. I will tell you, I also started a retinol from that brand and had never used retinol before.

And honey, anybody who's listening to this, if you have not started one, I feel like it's so good for your skin, but like the flaking that transpires, like you need to do it when you don't need to wear makeup. Yeah, and also when you're going to go out in public a lot or need to be like out and around people because it will dry up your skin pretty quickly. Oh, honey. I was out like on a date with dried up skin. Like I didn't give a shit.

Oh, okay. I mean, yeah, obviously if you don't care, then go for it. But like if anyone does care, that was like when I was on Accutane, I went on Iso Trentinoin, which is a different brand name, but same kind of thing with the flaking and stuff like that. And sometimes for when you're on Accutane, because it was a pill, it wasn't just my face that would dry up. I mean, it was like, it was your plus. Yeah, my scalp, my vagina, like everything was dry. That's so crazy. No, I don't know if you're an oversharer.

But if like something's going on with me, you don't know if I'm an oversharer, Lindsey. In our professional lives, we're definitely oversharers for sure. But like I'm less of an oversharer. I feel like in my personal life. However, when I started doing this flaking, I looked like a lizard. I like had to share that like something's not going on with me. It's just like this process that I'm going through and like you need to accept it and also not look at me.

Don't look too close. Okay. Like I'm just like all flaking like around my face. Like it's all fucked up. I can't tell over cam on camera. I think you look great. Um, also, when had my nails done yesterday and I literally was sitting in the nail salon and I said I can't wait to ask you this. Do you ever look at colors at the nail salon? And you're like, this brings me back to like 2008 when I was wearing this. Do you do that?

I'm trying to think of like what color would know it doesn't because I there was a time where I did like different colors. But no, I don't ever think of like a timer. I guess that that like, highlighter neon pink was like a what was a vibe in the summertime when you're nice and tan and you're bronze and glowing. That one was really popular, I think, that one year, that one summer, but outside of that, no. Okay. So in high school, all the way through college, in the wintertime, I was Linkin Park, After Dark, OI, bitch is going to have black toes. Then in the summertime, I was Cajun Shrimp, OPI, which is what I got yesterday.

I don't think I've seen that one. I was like, listen, honey, this makes me feel like I'm young again. Coffee Como's podcast is brought to you by Progressive Insurance. Physically responsible financial geniuses, monetary musicians, these are things people say about drivers who switch their car insurance to Progressive and save hundreds. Because Progressive offers discounts for paying in full, owning a home, and more. Plus, you can count on their great customer service to help you when you need it so your dollar goes a long way.

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gave Elijah the rundown of Alabama Barker being Travis Barker's daughter and the beef with Bad Baby and he didn't understand. And then I said, Bad Baby is Catch Me Outside Danielle. And he was like, okay, I know who she is. I didn't know she was a rapper, didn't know Alabama Barker. So we went down this rabbit hole. He didn't know Blink-182. So the story didn't hold as much weight for him. But you said Linkin Park. I don't know why that made me think of Blink-182 because they're not the same, but I was fans of both. And so trying to explain the lore of all of, you know, Alabama Barker and Bad Baby, it was, he wasn't invested and he didn't, it wasn't a hit for him. Oh, well, I'm invested in it. So I would love to chat with you about it. One story about Blink

182 and Travis Barker. So back when we lived in California for like a short little stint, my dad's always been in real estate for like a long period of time. And so we were looking at houses and we looked at Travis Barker and Shannon Mokler's house. And as kids going through that house, number one, he had more clothes and like shoes and hats and shit than you have ever seen in your life, like a dream. And like so organized, just like definitely a vibe. There was like a naked picture of her like definitely a vibe. There was like a naked picture of her like on their wall.

Oh, they were still married at this time. They're still together at this time. Okay. Yeah. And I'm like, Oh, that's really like, bold. I can remember like being in there in middle school and being like, that's bold. But like, somebody's gonna see your wife. My dad's like, that's the point. But it wasn't in their bedroom? Yeah, it was either the hallway to their bedroom or in their bedroom.

But are people really going in there unless they're buying? That would just probably be something that I might consider taking down. Yeah, covering it up, throw some tape up over it for a showing. Yeah. Yeah, I would agree with that. So explain the beef to me with Catch Me Outside. How about that? And Alabama Barker because I've watched all these videos on TikTok and I can't really follow like the bouncing ball, other than the fact that they're beefing the songs, the raps.

So okay, here's what happens. So Danielle, Catch Me Outside, Bad Baby. She thinks that she's friends with Alabama Barker. Alabama Barker and LaVon, which is Bad Baby Daddy, are lying to Danielle, aka Bad Baby, about having sex. Turns out, Danielle goes to Alabama and is like, did you hook up with him? No, no, no, no, no. Turns out they in fact did.

That's when Bad Baby drops the diss track about Alabama getting pregnant by Tyga and having an abortion. So let that sink in for a second. And Alabama Barker comes back and has, even though she had a ghostwriter for her diss track, writes a diss track back to Bad Baby. Now, they're both bops. They're both, they're nice. They're good. There's some good songs. They're nice. You know what I mean? So in my opinion, I will say I did like Alabama Barker's song a little bit better, but let's not forget that she's having ghost writers and the funds for a music video right off the bat. However, Bad Baby is not new to this. She's true to this. She's been writing songs for a long time. She's been working with big artists, et cetera, et cetera. So in the song, back to Bad Baby, Alabama says that LaVon, which is her baby dad and her best friend are

fucking and they're hooking up and that she's on Percocet. She's getting high, allegedly. And then Bad Baby then writes a new diss track back to Alabama Parker saying that she sucked the dick straight out of her ass. So Alabama Parker sucked Lavon's dick that was straight out of Bad Baby's ass. And then also saying that your stepmom got her sister's seconds, like second hands. And then also saying that your stepmom got her sister's seconds, like second hands. And then she tags because Travis Barker gets on Instagram and he's doing his drumming to Alabama Barker's diss track to Bad Baby. Well, Bad Baby then writes the new diss track and tags Travis and says, do this one next. And then puts this on where he's, she's literally calling him out for going to Courtney Kardashian after allegedly wanting Kim. And so that's the drama. And I'm just, you know what, it's nice to look at someone else's drama for a change because

for a long time I was, I was the was the wild one, the train wreck. I just feel like these girls are so young, right? And it's like, why are we doing this all over the internet? I know that Alabama Barker alleged that bad baby was doing it because she wanted the clout. But that baby doesn't need it. She made $50 million last year. she wanted the clout. So, she doesn't need it. I mean, million dollars last year. Did you see where she was?

She was on Tik Tok and she was like, I'll be outside at like whatever time. In Calabasas. Yeah, in Calabasas. And I'm like, why are we fighting in Calabasas? Of like all places. Can we go to Compton? And then, then Alabama was talking about or bad baby was talking about how it's all her

family's money and that she gets around. She sleeps around a lot. Like she's known in their area and in their circles. Yeah, of like, she's known for sleeping around with different men. I think Tyga in a roundabout way, I don't think that he directly denied the pregnancy, but he did sort of deny it. However, Bad Baby in her second diss track says that she saw the ultrasound and it is a fact. That's what Danielle is claiming. My biggest concern here is, I know that they're young and they may regret it. They might not. I don't know. But my bigger concern is Tyga

sleeping with minors and teenagers because yeah, I know that technically you're an adult when you're 18, but 19 is still a teen. So if you in fact are a 35 year old man getting a 19 year old pregnant, I am concerned and this is not the only teenager he's been linked to. So that is highly concerning for me. And I wish that more people would look into that. What all links does Tyga have to the Kardashians? So Black China, he shares a child withyna who has a baby with Rob Kardashian. King, right? King, yes.

King Cairo, I think, maybe something like that. And then he dated Kylie and then now has slept with Kylie's step niece, which would be Alabama Barker. That's just like a lot going on. And then I also linked to Bobby out off. Tyga is linked to Bobby. Yeah, she popped up on one of his live streams and like walked her out. She got on her stories and her tick tock and did a whole sit down conversation saying that she's not sleeping with him, but that they're good friends. But people don't

seem to believe that either. I mean, I guess there's not enough degree of separation there for me that I would ever be like, yeah, let me go ahead and do that knowing the history there. And the connections like the familial connections. It's too close for comfort for me, I think on all fronts, like between Tyga and also Travis Barker, like it just feels like a lot. But like, think about all the things that have been said about Travis Barker with him, like wanting to be with him, like that was his dream girl or something before he was with Courtney. Like imagine, if that is in fact true, I would like feel so uncomfy.

Yeah, it's a lot. But to be fair, I mean, have you ever just looked at someone and you're like, oh, they're really good looking, like that would be my dream girl, but you don't actually have romantic feelings towards that person. You're just talking from like, like a physical standpoint, you're not talking about. Yeah, like aesthetics, like that is who I that is someone who I picture myself with looks wise and I know that's a little shallow but I just I don't necessarily think that I believe that they like hooked

up or like he was in love with her. It was just like the idea. Do you know what I mean? So I don't think that's so bad. But I just don't think that I could be with a guy knowing that my sister was his dream girl, and then I just marry him and have a baby. I think that I would have a complex about that for the rest of existence. I would definitely have a complex about it. But also, I have heard of lots of situations where one sibling, specifically men, have hooked up with a girl and then their brother ends up with the girl. Well, I would tell you a personal story, but I'm not.

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For some reason, the ADHD meds, they put me on a non-stimulant. So for anyone listening to this podcast, I was diagnosed with ADHD as an adult several years ago, and that doctor did order me genocide testing, but I found out that I was pregnant and I did not choose to be medicated. I don't know if you can be medicated while you're pregnant. So it was back-to-back pregnancies for me. Never ended up going on meds. Never ended up doing the genocide or gene site testing.

I say all that to say I finally go back to that practice and another doctor prescribes me Stratera, which is typically used. I think we know it as a depression, like an anti-depressant med, but it also can treat ADHD. She said this was the safest with the least amount of side effects for treating ADHD. I said, okay, great. Let's give it a try. She said, well, follow up in two weeks.

Well, I did not make it the two weeks because within the first seven days, I was so tired that I was like reverting back to when I was on my antidepressants, like 2022 or 2023, can't remember. I think it was like, whenever I was pregnant with Rio where I was sleeping nonstop and I do attribute some of that to depression

but I also attribute some of that to the depression meds themselves. And at the point that I took a two hour nap in these seven days with 88, I don't take naps anymore. I haven't taken naps since I was depressed. And for me, I'm just more productive if I don't try to take a nap during the day. You know what I mean? So I just, I said, I can't, I can't do this. Like I'm so tired that I cannot function. And so I just took myself off of them. Now I need to

reschedule a new appointment to try something different and hopefully do the gen genocite or gene site testing. It's frustrating because I want to be medicated and I want to get better and I want to focus and I want to get better and I want to focus and I want to do all these things, but I do not have it in me to go through several different meds. I might as well just get tested to see which one's going to work best for me. So I didn't even know that that testing was a thing because I'm not that familiar with medication.

I've just never really taken any to have any knowledge of that. But I will tell you after I had Jackson, it must have been, he had to have been under two. And I went to my general physician, I was there for a physical, and she was asking me like all these types of questions, like how are you feeling, whatever. And so I was sharing the stuff with her about how I would be driving down the road and try to be like on the closest

to the side. So if a car was like coming towards me, if they happened to hit me, they wouldn't hit me. And like, just like crazy stuff like that. I was boiling Jackson's bottles cause I didn't trust my dishwasher. Just various germs like germs. OCD. Yeah, very much.

Can I stop you right there because I got a little frustrated with one of my kids' dads because he told our son that he did not have OCD because he tried to tell my son that OCD is when you touch something a certain amount of times or you count something or you have to wash your hands twice. It really was frustrating to me because I think there's this really, really, really common misconception about what OCD is. Yes, that is a form of OCD. I'm not an expert.

I'm not trying to diagnose anyone. I'm not trying to tell someone that, you know, they don't have OCD. But in our son's specific situation, he was having exactly what you're describing. And I said to him, I think that we need to have you see someone like I think you have OCD. And he said, No, my dad told me I don't, because it's when you do something a certain number of times. So what you're describing to me sounds like OCD. Well, I mean, Kale, it was bad, like to the point that, and I did not experience this, I've always been like a super clean freak. And I think a lot of people think that being clean is a form of OCD, which it can, it can present that way. But what I was experiencing was only after giving birth. And I think that

that kind of like onset it. When I tell you like I would panic if someone wore shoes into my house and I'm still like I still struggle with it. But someone wore shoes into my house like I immediately have to mop like my kid has to go somewhere will need to take him somewhere and I need to mop like he's going to get some type of like fungus or like illness from this I would obsessively wipe down my refrigerator um the car like anything that Jackson would touch in the car would Clorox out his car seat before I put him in it every time. It was like crazy stuff. So I can't remember what medication that the doctor gave me. She was like, I want you to try this. And it wasn't a 30 day even trial. I don't even think that she prescribed

30 days. And she said, I want you to report back and let me know, you know, like how this is helping or if there's any side effects, whatever. I remember waking up in the guest room with Jackson and was like touching my face, like, like poking my face as if there was something crawling on my face, like it felt like spiders crawling on me. And so I was like, I can never do this medicine ever again. I just have to live with whatever I have and I never followed up with it. Was it for OCD? She said that she believed that it was general anxiety disorder that was presenting as OCD tendencies.

Interesting. That's so interesting. But how, because I would say, not that I think that you're a germaphobe now, I think that you're still pretty diligent about being very clean and not like germs, but I don't know if it's obsessive. I don't know because I haven't been around you too much lately, but did it just taper down a little bit or how would you say you're handling it now? So like through my weekly therapist, like we talk about it a lot. And so that's been super helpful. And I've been able to learn like coping mechanisms to catch my own self. Okay. So like I will catch myself doing something and be like, okay, that's a little unnecessary. Okay. Okay. I mean, I've never, That's so... Anxiety. That's interesting.

Maybe that's what it is then in our sun. Maybe it's a form of anxiety. That's why I was just like... But people do think that OCD is just doing certain things 100 times in a row, and that's not always the case. I am absolutely going to follow up with my doctor about the ADHD meds because I cannot continue to live like this. I mean, people, specifically Elijah, and last night he pointed it out to me, I'll start a sentence and I'll stop mid-sentence and not even remember that I was talking in the middle of a sentence. So he'll look at me and he'll be like, he'll repeat what I said.

And I'll look at him and I'll be like, wait, what? And then it takes a minute for me to think about the fact that he is saying what I just started and then I didn't finish. I didn't complete it. One, I would probably safely assume that the more busy that you have become and the more children that you have, your mind's probably going in so many different directions that you can't focus on one singular thing because you're already thinking 12 steps ahead about something else. Well, the last time I saw Kristen, we were like, I think it was Kristen or it was Alessandra.

I don't remember. We would be having a conversation and I'd look at them, look at one of them, I'd be like, and then they hung up. And I'm like, wait, why did I just say that? That's not, I don't, they hung up. Like that's not what the story was. Like, I would be trying to tell them something. And then I'd be like, then it then they hung up instead of saying, what actually I don't know. It's been really fucking weird. And what I feel like I'm going crazy. Like, I feel like, is this real? Like, do I actually have ADHD? Or what is happening? But I'm just wondering, like, were you ever like this as a little kid and you like learned to cope and then it started presenting itself the more busier that you got with more kids?

Like now it's more apparent or is this something that like just randomly came out of the blue? I think I've always had ADHD and I don't know what if it's a spectrum of ADHD. Like I don't know if it can like change over time. I don't know if it can change over time. I don't know if it can be exacerbated by anything over time to your point, having more kids, being busier. If that can make it present differently than it was, I think I've always had it.

I don't know that you can develop it, but I sort of coped and it's just getting progressively worse. Maybe it's like environmental factors, not environmental. Schedule. Yeah, I guess environmental. I don't know. I did talk to some girlies while I was in New York and they were saying for kids specifically, don't come for me. Anybody listening to this freaking podcast, please don't come for me because I'm just telling y'all what I learned. Okay. They were saying something about caffeine and a protein for children with ADHD. And so I was like, okay, I want to try this as

an adult too, in the interim between, you know, coming off those meds and trying, you know, getting in with my provider. They were saying kids that have ADHD to give them a little caffeine. I'm not saying to do this. This is just what they were saying kids that have ADHD to give them a little caffeine. I'm not saying to do this. This is just what they were telling me. So I was saying how one of my kids has ADHD and they were telling me what they have heard and what they personally do, which is give them caffeine with a protein. So in the morning, like either on the way to school, a coke and some chicken nuggets, some chicken wings. And I thought that was really interesting. So I Googled it. And obviously

Google is not research, right? So, but I did say like one of the first AI generated responses is that caffeine can have like beneficial effects on children. And I was shook, the children with ADHD. And so I was shook and I'm gonna go down a rabbit hole at some point just to look into it. But I say all that to say, I'm gonna try it as an adult because maybe it'll work for me too. Listen, when I went through the lengthy process of testing for Jackson with ADHD,

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So he finally did go on medication and it has been a game changer for him in school. I do not give him medication anytime outside of school. Let's talk about Wayfair because after the holiday hustle, there's nothing like giving your home a little TLC. I know last week I talked about some things that I got from my office, but I got more. I got a 9x12 rug for my office for underneath my table. It's the Kreiner hand tufted New Zealand wool abstract rug and I'm absolutely obsessed with it. I'll post a picture on socials and I got four new chairs for like my little meeting table in the middle of my office. It's the Jalen upholstered office chair. I got four of them because they fit perfectly around the table and I just think they look so good together

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I've heard of parents doing that, and I've also heard, and I'm not judging, I'm genuinely asking for my own self because my child masks a lot and so I think he's exhausted from masking. Why is it that parents choose to medicate on some days or for certain periods of time and choose not to when they're not in school? Do you see a personality difference? Because I know Elijah was telling me he was scared of me to go on meds because he didn't want my personality to change or to be like a zombie basically. He said that he has a family member that goes on meds and she becomes a different person.

I don't know if that was just ADHD meds, but what are the differences that you're seeing in medicating versus not medicating? Well, I talked to his pediatrician about it, like extensive conversation. Yeah. And it's not probably a one size fits all. So what works for you guys might not work for the next family, but what was your reasoning? My reasoning was because I don't need him to be that focused whenever we're at home. And he is having, he was having trouble in school and it would be like maintaining seat or you know, like super re-embunctious and trying to get him back into the school from

recess. Like, those are the reasons that I want him on his medication throughout the school days. Outside of the school days, like in an agreement, Will cannot give him the medication and I do not give him the medication and he does not have medication from the time school gets out until a week before school starts for summer. He is not medicated because we are his parents, we can manage him at home. But I don't need him to be that focused. And you do notice a slight personality difference for us.

Does he notice a difference in himself when he is at school versus medicated versus not medicated? Is he okay with it or he doesn like care or not care one way or the other? No, and I was also hesitant because I didn't want him to think that he was like dependent on something. I've kind of made him believe that like, oh, there's just like a vitamin that everybody takes because I didn't want him to really know. Yeah.

And then once he started becoming aware, he's like, that makes me like, not be crazy at school. And so he will like there have been times where will has been like running out the door, Jackson forgot to take his medicine that will put out and he will call home and be like, I'm going to get in trouble because I don't have my medicine. Oh, I don't want him to worry about that. I showed you the picture. I sent you the picture of my son reading at home.

That is hard for me because the teacher doesn't see it at school, but like I took a video, a picture, I sent it to you and I'm like, they're saying he doesn't have it. Do you know what I mean? I could try talking about it. Does Jackson Mask ever? Yes.

Or like he will catch himself doing something like where he has been called down multiple times and on the third time that he gets called down for something when he knows he's like taken it too far, but it truly is like out of his control, he'll just start crying. Have you noticed that that child has struggle regulating emotion?

Yes. Yeah, it's a huge, that's a huge- How else do you get a proper diagnosis when they're masking at school? And so the forms that are being filled out are not... I actually took Jackson to a child psychologist and ran him through extensive testing for everything. I'm on a waiting list for a recommendation. We're on a waiting list, but the waiting list is eight months long. And they don't even know where he'll

fall. This specific one is recommended all over the place, and we would have to drive to another state for it, which is fine. But the waiting list starts at eight months, and we don't know where he falls on the waiting list, so it could be another year. You should do a little trip to Atlanta, and I can get you in with my child psychologist. He's phenomenal and known. Get me in. I'm ready. Count me in because I mean, just the struggle. I understand the struggle of ADHD as an adult. So like a child who doesn't fully understand what's happening and they see their peers and they

like, because I feel like that I was like that as a kid, like I, I understand certain materials, I literally, I don't know if you ever experienced this, maybe Kristin, I don't know if she can hear me, but if she if she can, maybe she can answer it like, all the way up through high school, right? So from elementary school all the way up to high school, when the teacher was saying directions on how to do something, I didn't understand. Like you could like the teacher could literally read the directions on a sheet of paper. And you didn't track. I was not under, like I would look around the room and like not understand, like it's

verbally being said to me, it's in writing and I would not understand. I would have to physically see it be done in order to do it. Same, even when I played lacrosse in high school, when the coach would be standing there and we'd be in three lines and he would be like, okay, this is what we're gonna do. I would purposely never be in the front of the line because I needed to see it be done before I could actually understand

what was being said to me. And I'm like, I, as an adult, I still struggle with that. So like knowing that there are children out there that fall through the cracks and like are not getting proper diagnosis or like proper, you know, anything it's just so frustrating because all it takes is like, Oh, we filled out these rater forms. We don't really recognize it. Sorry for your luck.

And that's why I did not go through the public school system for anything. I contacted the school and said that he was doing outside of school testing and that I would be providing them with an extensive test from his child psychologist for him to somebody had put in the Facebook group and was like, well, you know, maybe Jackson wouldn't have had that punishment had he been on a 504 plan, you know, for behaviors. And I'm like, he is on a 504 plan for behaviors, which is further why I feel the way that I feel about the situation of him missing out on

the class rewards party. So I can actually send you my- They will. Kristen was there, Alessandra was there in New York City with me when I got on the phone with the school district and they flat out told me, it does not matter if I have him seen outside of school. If he's seen outside of school, they cannot take any of that to use it in the district. They still have to do testing within the district for them to do a 504 or an IEP, which I thought was insane. So I could go pay X amount of dollars. I think the first one that I was looking at was like 1500 to do all this testing and stuff like that, but they can't use any of it. But I would want to do it at the very least to get, if he can get on medication to focus in school, then I don't even, let's try that. And then from there, if we know that he at least has

a diagnosis, then he would at least qualify for, it would, anyways, yeah, get me in with whoever you can, send me a recommendation, whatever you can do, I'll do it. I mean, I think that Jackson's testing, I, I can check. But I'm almost certain that his doctor did an extensive write up of like 30 pages. Like they tested for absolutely everything. And I split the testing up over a two or three day period because they can do it in one day. But just because of the focus levels and the stress of like being in a doctor's office and stuff like that,

it was nice because they had a college student there that was the intern who ran some of the testing, which Jackson felt like was cool because he was an older guy. He was able to run some of the testing that didn't require the psychologist to do it. So it made it a little bit more fun if you're having to do testing. And so we had a fantastic experience. The doctor brought us in, had the conversations with both of us as parents, gave the recommendation for the 225 parenting plan. He did all of that for us and was absolutely phenomenal. I will say that I do think another one of my girlfriends had testing for her daughter and they did it in one day. I'm not a doctor, right? But as a mom, it felt like for her daughter's age and the amount and in-depth testing that they were trying to do in one

day skewed the results almost, because it just felt like it was so much for a small child to get through that I would prefer. When you say you did it over two or three days, do you mean like several weeks apart or do you mean like back to back days? Like back to back. So it would be like a morning session and then I think it was two days. I think it was like morning and they worked for a couple of hours and then I think it was two days. I think it was like morning and they worked for a couple of hours and then we left. Will and I both took him, but we were already divorced. We left, took him to like lunch, whatever. And then we went

back the next day and I want to say that might have been, oh, so he was already taking one medication prescribed for the ADHD by his pediatrician. And so the first day of testing, they had him do the testing on the medication and then they re-ran the same test off the medication. No way. So it was extensive. Okay. When we get off here today, I would love for you to send me who it is because I mean, even

if I get put on a waiting list, that's fine. Like as long as I can get them get them in. He is literally the best and we had such a great experience. I want to be able to get to this listener question because I don't know what your answer is. She says, How do you fill your cup because I feel like I've completely lost myself. My husband and I are constantly fighting and honestly, I think it's a part of me not being the best version of myself. I have zero social life, no hobbies. I just go to

work and come home. I work in an office alone for 40 hours a week and I don't really talk or hang out with any friends. I don't really have any and I probably become anti social anti social from just being alone so much. Meanwhile, my husband is always texting or talking to his friends. They're all married, but I don't really click with your wives. He plays on his PC almost every night laughing and having a great time with his friends while I'm just here boring and honestly, it's super depressing and lonely. I don't know how to be happy anymore or

get out of this or where to begin. Damn, I know what that's like. And I do feel like she's probably right if she is if her husband and her constantly fighting and honestly, I think she that's like. And I do feel like she's probably right. If her husband and her are constantly fighting, and honestly, I think she says, just reiterating what you read, I think part of it is me not being the best person to myself for sure. It's projection. Whether you are doing it intentionally or not, that is absolutely what it is. That sucks. And I completely understand that. I know this sounds a little corny, but I challenge her to try something that she wouldn't picture herself normally liking or gravitating towards. I was never really a reader growing up.

And for me, it's reading, right? I started slowly on planes when I was traveling because it was like, I couldn't sleep on the plane, but I didn't want to just scroll on my phone. So I started picking up novels here and there. But like, maybe for her, it's crafting, like maybe she saw a scrapbook and she wants to, you know, try something like that just to start and then or if she has kids, I don't know if she has kids. I met a lot of really decent people, a lot of good friends in kid, my kids sports, like just like trying to do play dates outside of sports with them. If she's not really I met a lot of really decent people, a lot of good friends in my kid's sports, just trying to do play dates outside of sports with them if she's not really friends with the wives at work. But what if she did a concert or something? What if the husband's friends

and their wives, you guys just did a collective concert and so you're really with your partner and everyone's doing their own thing, but they're together? Do you know what I mean? Like, we went to Jelly Roll a couple months ago. I think it was like back in October or something. And it was, I went with a group of people I don't normally hang out with, right? Like I hang out with Jerry and Tom from the Dude Dads, but I don't typically hang out with their wives. Like I've never worked with their wives. I love them. For the concert was a great time. We all, you know, ate food. they got some drinks. Elijah doesn't hang out with them, and then Cory and Kristen were there. So like we had a great time and that's not,

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in my marriage, I was staying at home with him so much that by the time Will came home, it's like I have mom and like wife and house toward all day long. And now my husband's coming home from work, so I can't neglect him because he's been gone from us all day. So there was like no time for me to fill my own cup. And I had to talk about it in therapy once I started it because my therapist was like, Lindsay, what are your hobbies? And I was like no time for me to fill my own cup. And I had to talk about it in therapy once I started it because my therapist was like, Lindsay, what are your hobbies? And I was like, what do you mean?

Like what's a hobby? And she's like, what do you do for you? And I said, I mean, I don't know. Like I'll go and get my nails done like once a month or something or. That's not a hobby. And yeah, but like I didn't know that like that wasn't, I had not identified that, that it was not a hobby. Yeah, but I didn't know that that wasn't, I had not identified that, that it was not a hobby.

She's like, that is something that you're doing for you, but also that doesn't take brain power for you to do that or investment for you to do that. You're just sitting there and somebody is doing your nails. She's like, I would challenge you to find something that like you really love doing. And that's why I started walking so much because I loved to get outside and do the exercises and like have my Apple watch and like feel

like I had done something productive, but also for me. What would you say your hobbies are now? Because I mean, this is even eyeopening for me. Yeah, I read books. I think that's a hobby. It's also become a personality trait. And I sometimes don't want to be social because I would rather read my book, which is sort of unhealthy. What are your hobbies now? Because I would say outside of reading, I don't have any. And Kristin can attest to this, my hobby is expensive.

What is it, Pilates? No. But I don't really consider that a hobby either now that I've had the conversation in therapy that like my nails aren't a hobby. Like I'm doing that for my mental health and my physical health. Like your well-being, overall well-being. Yeah. So I don't really consider that a hobby.

My hobby is going out and find dining. Like I absolutely love a restaurant environment. Like I look for restaurants on Instagram to like look at aesthetics. And I'm like, Oh, I want to sit at that restaurant. And like that food looks good. So I will go out and spend. I'm not even going to tell you guys like what I'm spending to like do this hobby. Is that a hobby though? Like eating it's a hobby.

Like being a foodie, like not a foodie, but like a because it's not you're not really going for the food. You're going for the the aesthetic and the vibes. Yeah. And like, I'll be like, oyster eating is a hobby for me. I actually photos of the amount of oysters I have on my phone. It's sad. When I dropped Rio off at his little play care preschool this morning, there was like a little display of oyster shells that were like painted on. And it looked like it was like, it wasn't like, like just like regular paint. It looks like they were like painted on. And it looked like it was like, it wasn't like, like just like regular paint. It looks like they were acrylic paint. I don't know, but it was really cool. And I thought

of you because it's like, I don't know who's saving oyster shells and painting on them, but it looks cool. Just be careful with the oysters. If you're going to a high end restaurant, I would hope that they're cooking them all the way. I saw a tick to. I saw a TikTok recently of things crawling in them. And so they were waiting for their server. I don't know if I could go back and find it. Just be careful. I mean, I obviously look when I take the little tiny fork and like get it out and put it on my saltine. I look to make sure there's no like bugs, but it's probably not going to stop me from eating it to be perfectly honest. Okay, fair. When I come to Atlanta, I will try an oyster.

I have the best places to be able to take you. And I feel like I love, people come to me all the time now and they're like, give me like restaurants, give me, and I'm like, oh, you can go so-and-so to here and then you can go pop over there. And then they've got a great bar over there. Like who am I? Do you chew an oyster or do you swallow it?

Swallow. Okay. And then I guess you're chewing. Is it an acquired taste or is it like you just like it or you don't? No, I feel like people who don't like oysters, it's because they don't like the texture because my nanny says it's like eating a booger. And I'm like, bitch, how do you know about eating boogers? I was not a booger eating kid. So like, I picked my nose as a

kid, but I was not eating them. Like it just I just didn't. When the kids actually stop picking their nose. I don't think they ever do. I don't think humans ever stop picking their nose. Like, it's a very weird thing. Like I might catch Jackson doing it not really like that often. But if might catch Jackson doing it not really like that often but if I catch him doing it, I'll look at it and I'll be like, are you trying to hit your brain? Are you digging for gold? Like,

Did I tell you what I pulled out of Lincoln's nose recently? Yeah, you told the entire podcast. Yeah. And I now I now I ask him, can I see your nose? Like you want to look up in it. And if there's if there's a clot from, because he gets regular nose, like I ask him, can I see it? Because I want, if there is one, I've never seen anything that big come out of someone's nose.

Like did it come from his brain? Brain. Like that's what I was about to say. Like that's like, that's like remnants of brain matter. Yeah, probably. Probably. I'm disgusted and I also wish that you would have sent me a picture of it. Oh, well now I know.

If you want to see a picture of it moving forward, I will send them because he gets nosebleeds. I mean, he should have his... It should be cauterized. Is it cauterized or cauterized? Cauterized. Cauterized. Let me look it up.

I don't know. Indicted. Cauterized. Nosed. Cauterized. Let me look it up. I don't know. Indicted. Cauterized nose. Yeah, it's medical procedure used to treat nosebleeds. Cauterization, nasal cauterization. Why does your mouth look like that when you're saying it? I just want to make sure I say it properly because I got shit for saying neurovirus and norovirus. I thought that I was I know that it's norovirus but I don't know why it comes out wrong. I don't know. And then I thought then I was gaslit and I was like, wait, am I is neuro or neuro. So it's I'm just trying to make sure I don't get attacked. I'll tell you another word that you said that's like really funny. What tournament tournament

tournament? No, no, no. This is what me and me and Becky got into a debate. Say often. Often. Often. You pronounce the T but it's not supposed to be pronounced. It's supposed to be silent. Who said that? Why they put it in there? I've always said often, often times, often times. Often.

Often. No, that doesn't even sound right, often. No, often. If I said often, it's because I'm trying to teach myself to not say often, but Google says it's often. What did Becky say it was? Often.

Yeah, Becky's right. It's often. Like I often do that. No, I often do that. No, because I'm confused. Like if you're saying like, you're off in something like that doesn't even sound. Now say forward. Forward. She says forward. Is she the United States Postal Service? Because I feel like that's how they would say it. Forward. Forward. Forward. Forward. Forward. No, the tournament thing. Tournament. That gets me. And Kristen says it the exact same way, which makes me believe that

it's like geographical. Yeah, I would agree with that because everyone that I hear from like the South and the Midwest, they all say tournament instead of tournament. The same way y'all say oil instead of oil. Oil. Yeah, oil. Can I get some oil? Oil. I think that's so weird. It's like you you're pronouncing like every part of a three letter word. Yeah. Every part of a three letter word. Like that's just like too much. That's, that's taking too much. Okay. And on that note, we

have foul play. Hi, kitties. So I have a foul play to share with you and it's not your usual foul play, but trust me, it encompasses the word foul. I was about 36 weeks pregnant and swollen everywhere due to preeclampsia. My feet looked like balloons. My husband and I arrived at the doctor's office for my check and the nurse asked me to do the usual undress from the waist down and lay on the table. Mind you, I was in scrubs and tennis shoes and had just worked an eight hour shift at

a vet office and my husband had met me there after work. When the nurse left, I proceeded to take my shoes and socks off as well as my scrub pants. Upon removing my socks, I realized that my feet stunk so bad it immediately filled the room and my husband could smell it and it was awful. He told me to put my shoes back on, but it seemed weird to have the doctor walk in with me naked from the waist down with tennis shoes on. Imagine. So I proceeded to climb onto the counter to stick my feet in the sink to wash them. But that didn't work because the soap dispenser was empty. I remembered I had a little bottle of hand sanitizer in my purse. You know, the one from Bath and Body Works with the little beads in it.

It smells like vanilla cupcakes. I slathered it on my feet, which immediately made it worse because now it just smelled like both things, stinky feet and vanilla cupcakes. In a panic, that doctor was going to walk in. I put my shoes back on and my socks back on and got on the table. The doctor walked in and made a slight face, the smell, but proceeded to do my checkup quickly and get out without a word. My husband and I were mortified without a word. My husband and I were mortified at the situation. My feet had never been so stinky and sweaty thanks to pregnancy hormones and swelling. And there I was, butt naked with my feet in stirrups. This was almost 12 years ago and it still is one of the more embarrassing things that

has happened to me. Anyway, thanks for reading. I hope you could get a good laugh from my misfortune. Is the reason because of the preeclampsia? What was causing them to smell so bad? Pretty sure that side effect of preeclampsia is not rank feet. I'll tell you who has rank feet. Who? Rebecca Hader. She has nasty ass feet. Lindsay, her feet smell so bad.

But why? She just does and she knows and she thought she like laughs and I hope she oh my god imagine I'm like let me ask her if it bothers her because if not wait do your feet smell? She's gonna be like what the fuck Kale? I my feet don't ever really have an odor I feel just like a normal. My feet have never had an odor but several of my siblings have rank feet. So I don't know if it's a genetic thing or if you just get it from one of your parents or the other.

Let me look it up. I'm going to say, is smelly feet genetic? The Google search is smelly feet. Oh, people have Googled this before. Yes, it can be. Genetics can play a role in smelly feet. Okay. Is smelly feet a side effect of preeclampsia? Preeclampsia. Sudden swelling of the face, hands and feet.

It doesn't say anything about smelling. So that's interesting. I thought she was going to say that there was like the preeclampsia caused her feet to swell and ooze like an infection. That's what I thought. That's where I thought the story was going. Imagine you take your shoes off in a small room and it smells that bad. Like did it subside after pregnancy? Like what I need, I need a follow-up here. Okay. But I feel like that's mortifying because your cat is out, right? And it's like, are they going to think it's my cat or my toes? Like, you're right. You know what I mean? If it was me, I would have left, like I would have gotten on the table with the

little drape over me and I would have told my husband to open the door to let some fresh air in some air like something. Yeah, there is nothing worse than stinky feet but I will tell you that kids wearing like tennis shoes and stuff or sneakers wearing those types of shoes without socks. If they ever wear those types of shoes without socks and then they go and put those shoes back on with socks, the socks will smell and the shoes smell. I have never been able to wear and I don't know if this is like a universal thing, but I've never been able to wear sneakers without socks.

Me either. Like that's not a thing. And plus I probably would have gotten grounded if my dad ever walked by and like got a loft of like rank ass toes past tennis shoes. Do you think that the socks like the sweat and prevent the smell? Yes. Then this also brought me to another question as you're reading this. When you go to the gynecologist and you're there for your annual, you're all in the gown,

feeder in the stirrups or whatever they call them. Sometimes I'll wear a baseball cap. It's like, I feel kind of awkward that I'm not taking my baseball cap on and I just like have this shit draped over me. And also if I don't have a fresh pedicure, I'm not taking my socks off. So I just look like a fucking lunatic.

Wait, so if you're wearing tennis shoes, you take your socks off too? Well, yeah. I don't. Well, yeah, I don't. Well, why? I feel like you look crazy. Yeah, for sure. For sure. We look crazy. I think the fact that men I think they just for fairness, like if we're talking about what women go through, I think men should have to get yearly ball checks. Do you know what I mean? Like they should

get yearly urethra checks. Like just understand the vulnerability and the awkwardness of us having to go especially like say you're in you go to a. Practice where you have to see a different provider every time i rotate so you can get to know all of them because they never know who's gonna be be on the schedule. And just regular, I don't know if men are supposed to do that, but they need to, they should get butthole swabs every so often just so that they can understand what we go through. Like do they get their prostate checked every year? The thing where you have to like, off? Becky said I would tend to have smelly feet. Yeah. But it's more so when I wear shoes, not like straight out of the shower. Okay.

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