Coffee Convos with Kail Lowry and Lindsie Chrisley - Birthdays Gifts & Unpopular Opinions

Episode Date: September 18, 2023

CC307: On this month's bonus episode.. Lindsie has a birthday and Kail is getting all kinds of interruptions this morning. Lindsie can't get over the idea of keeping marital furniture after a divorce while Kail explains why she kept her stuff for so long after her divorce. Kail gives another Ruby Franke update, Lindsie gives her thoughts on the Georgia babysitter charged with choking a child, and Kail has some beef with "checking in" the day before for services. They also read some unpopular opinions that might ruffle some feathers. For Foul Play, a poor girl almost ends up having to fight her boyfriend's mom, and someone else needs a cleanup on aisle 5. Check out our Instagram @coffeeconvospodcast for more!  Thank you to our sponsors!IQBar: Get 20% off every IQBar product plus free shipping when you text CONVOS to 64-000. By Texting 64000, you agree to receive recurring automated marketing messages from IQBAR. Message and data rates may apply. No purchase required. Terms apply, available at IQBAR.com. Reply "STOP" to stop, "HELP" for helpPair Eyewear: Go to paireyewear.com/COFFEECONVOS for 15% off your first purchaseProgressive: Visit progressive.com to learn moreStitch Fix: Try StitchFix.com/coffeeconvos today and you'll get 25% off when you keep everything in your Fix

I hate gift giving and receiving. Receiving gifts is so weird. What do you say, thank you? This is Coffee Convos with Kale Lowry and Lindsay Chrisley. I really want you to be in your feels, Kale. That does not interest me whatsoever. I feel very attacked by you. A spirited discussion about motherhood, friendship,

family, and life in the public eye. I'm just not with the fakery anymore. There's a fakery bakery around here. Here's Kale and Lindsay. Happy Thursday. Happy Thursday. Monday for everyone. Podcast listeners. It's Thursday for us. It'll be Monday for you because this is a September bonus episode. Not if, I mean, I don't really know why we thought bonus episode was a good

idea that people needed like more of our bullshit in a month. I don't, you know what? There's been a whole lot of fucking chaos over here. So I saw on our kitty gang chat last night, I saw you enter the chat and I was leaving the chat and I had a full blown mental breakdown last night. Like I was just, Lux and Creed were testing my patients. Alisha was testing my patients. I was testing my own patients.

And I just was having a mental breakdown. And I saw you enter the chat and I was like, oh, I'm so glad Lindsey's here in my head. I was like, Lindsey's here, I'm out, I'm going to bed. Talk to y'all later. Wait, I saw that. And the way, do you like, when you know someone like really well, I feel like you can pick up tone and text or like writing.

Yes. And when I saw you, what you wrote, I was like, oh yeah, like her evening really fucking sucks. I'm literally like, I just could not. And even this morning I'm literally like, I just could not. And even this morning I'm struggling. Like I'm sure I have my ice vanilla latte from Starbucks, sweet cream cold foam. It's just now kicking in, but like my eyes are barely open.

I'm tired. And the little conversation that we just had before this recording really just amped everything up. That conversation that Kale's talking about, we are going to go into full detail on the Thursday episode that dropped. So you guys just be prepared because I am coming in hot.

I'm about to pop my second Elani. I'm probably gonna have to get up and get my ass out of this chair to get it out of the fridge at some point It's definitely one of those days, but I saw this one trend and it might not be like a new Trend but I think like a lot of bloggers do it and I thought oh we should do this as host of a show That's about coffee Have you seen the little trend where people write?

What their coffee order is and like you go and try like other people's coffee orders? No. Okay. Well, I think we're going to do that. Okay. I did try the apple crisp situation from Duncan and I absolutely hated it. So it's so funny that you told me that because I was literally scrolling through Instagram

last night and there was someone on there that was like this apple crisp whatever is so good and it's just hysterical to know that so many people can have like different taste buds and like like different things and hate different things. Um, an apple crisp, something would probably not be something that I like because I don't like like apple pies and stuff. I love apple crisp like specifically the little dessert. It's like it's kind of like apple pie but you know how like a pie crust is kind of soft? Yes. It doesn't have the like salt like it's it's more of like a like a little like a little crunch like a little I don't want to describe. And it's so good. You have to get the right kind.

Also, I just felt like the Starbucks version of the Apple Crisp, whatever, it tasted like alcoholic beverages that are flavored with Apple. Like does that make sense? Oh, interesting. Like it tasted like it was spiked. I'm not saying they spiked it.

I'm not, please don't come for me. But I was just like, this is not for me. So then I tried the toasted vanilla. That one was okay if you don't like super sweet drinks. Okay, so you guys need to, how should we make them right in? Like their coffee orders? Like put a poll or something

or like a questions box on Instagram? Yeah, I will write that down. You guys need to let us know what your coffee orders are and we will start trying these coffee orders at random. Do not send something fucking disgusting. And also do not send something that you know is disgusting just for us to try it because I'm not trying to waste my money up in Starbucks. Okay.

Don't send us anything fucking disgusting. Meanwhile, you just said that everyone's taste buds are different. So what's gross to us is not gross to other people. But you know, there's some like trolls out there that'll just be typing some random shit that they know is nasty as hell. And they're like, we're trolling.

We're trolling Kala Lindsey. Wait, last night when I was like, just not having a great night, I almost missed Lux's flag practice because I was so, like I just got home and I was like, let me start dinner really quick. And I made, I told Lux I made a rotisserie chicken. I didn't make it, I bought it.

Why? And he was like, this is really good. I'm depressed. I'm depressed. What? And the last she looked at me and he's like, this is really good. I'm depressed. I'm depressed. What? And the last show looked at me and he's like, impressed. He's impressed. And I was like, oh, and he's like,

so what kind of chicken is it, turkey? And I was like, yep. See, those are the things that you write down that you put in your kid's baby books that none of us fill out after a certain point. I'm depressed. You know, like all the words that they say that are wrong, that are so cute at that time.

Yeah. And like the little phrases that they say. What kind of chicken is that, turkey? Like, yes. Like one word that like gets me every time that Jackson says, this is ridiculous. This is ridiculous. And like, he'll be saying it so serious, like we'll be pulling

into the school parking lot. And I'm like, you'd better not go in there and mess up on that test. Because first of all, I know that I studied with you. Second of all, don't go in there and act like you don't know what's going on. Like, you have arrived to the school and you're fine and like you're good and you're prepared. Only thing that comes out of my child's mouth, this is ridiculous. Ridiculous.

No, what's ridiculous is the fact that you can't say ridiculous. Also I just want to say happy birthday, Lindsay. I know when this airs, your birthday will have been yesterday. Kristin and I already sent out your birthday gift, so you should have it by the time this episode airs. That's exciting. Yeah. Can I tell you something about birthdays that like I absolutely hate?

I don't know if I've ever said this before. Okay. Number one, do not tell me happy birthday before my birthday. Like I used to get so upset with my parents. Like even if it was at midnight, I don't know what we would have been doing up at midnight, but like even if it was and we were growing up, like hold that until the morning because now you've taken my excitement away.

Like it almost takes away from like the actual day. It's like you've said it too soon and I'm not prepared. Yeah. Yeah. And like I'm not really ready for it to be my birthday because I didn't sleep yet. So PSA for anybody who's listening to this actually won't even be relevant

because this will just only be relevant for next year because my birthday was yesterday. But just don't tell me happy birthday in advance. Like I just don't like that. Number two, I don't like early birthday gifts. Well, unfortunately for you, the only two delivery dates were Friday and Saturday. Oh, well, I mean, that's fine.

But you know what I mean? Like someone who will gift you something that's like weeks in advance. Or like a whole week or yeah, I guess I could, yeah. And then by the time it gets to your birthday, it's like, I already had that for two weeks Like I'll tell you something that Trent bought me for an early birthday gift I was like, please don't do it and then it Amazon freaks me out. Okay

Have you ever ordered something from Amazon and it's like same-day delivery? Yeah, of course I'm like how'd they get it like how like how they how they get it and get it into that box and get the driver here. You live in Atlanta, Lindsay. I live in Dover, Delaware, and we have like two or three Amazon warehouses. So like I know where at least two of them are. So I know that if they have said item in one of those warehouses that they're likely to bring it that day or the next day. So if I have two or three here, Atlanta, Georgia has probably 12. Okay, well, I know this girl one time that used to fuck congressmen that married somebody that like their parents or something own like these Amazon warehouses. And I just know there's

like a lot in Atlanta. so you're probably right. You just fast forward over this part where you know someone who used to fuck congressmen. How does one do that? I don't know. I think you just have to look the part for my understanding. And you have to associate yourself in the right circles. Do you have to look the part though because we see celebrities and people from the government have relations with people that you would think they had no business speaking to. So do you really need to look the part or do you just need to be in the right place at the right time?

You know, it depends on what type of person that you're dealing with because if you're dealing with, let's say in my situation, if I was dealing with a man that just wanted to be with somebody that was like, you arm candy, then maybe if you look the part he's going to pick you, you know, versus like multiple people being in the right place at the right time, like your personality might not necessarily get you there. Okay. Okay. I mean, I have no plans to fuck any celebrities or Congressman but I was just curious me either so let me tell you about this early birthday gift So I have I need to know if you have Alexis or if you have Googles what are those called?

Alexis or Google play Google Google home nest No, I think it's Google home. Oh Google or Google Play, Google. Google. Home. Nest? No. I think it's Google Home. Oh, Google. Dot. Echo. No, that's Alexa. Google.

Okay, I have whatever Google is. Okay. I got this very housewarming gift from my real estate agent. She gave it to me and Jackson and I didn't really use it at first because I didn't know really how to use it and it kind of freaked me out. I was in this like weird crunchy phase where I was trying to like limit what I was saying

around my phone and like I didn't want people spying on me. Maybe it was experiencing state of paranoia. Honestly. So I, I didn't use it and I would like randomly like unplug it and whatever Since I've been with Trent I use it all the time and I will play like up. I would say what I play I'm gonna say it a little softly so she doesn't hear Hey Google play Morgan Wallen on YouTube got it and I'm pretty sure heard me because it's like got it tied to the top. Yep, do you hear it?

Hey Google, stop. Hey Google. Google. Google. Google. It's not going away. It's on paper. It's on paper.

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in all states or situations. Prices vary based on how you buy. Sam and we will be talking about the latest pop culture news and all the gossip every week. So does this mean we have to talk by ourselves about ourselves or can at least have some guests on? I don't know if I find myself pretty interesting but yeah we can have some guests on some of our reality tv friends and some stars. Works for me. Listen to Salty now on Apple Podcasts, Spotify or wherever you get your podcasts. Oh my God. Hold on. Seriously bro? Like seriously. So play that all the time, right? And it's really getting nice weather to be able to go outside on my back porch, which like I love to do. I have a little fire pit back there.

It's super cozy, but I don't have anything to play music on except that thing. And so he was like, you need a speaker. So he buys me this cute like white Bose portable speaker so I can take it outside. It's got great sound. I highly recommend. If you guys do not have, you need. And it was an early birthday gift and I wanted to refuse to open it and he still made me open it.

Well, is he going to get you another gift? Oh, he definitely is going to give me another gift. I think that he just genuinely wanted to buy this. For himself or for the rest of himself or for us to use. Like it was like a joint thing. Don't you love when you get a gift and will use to do this all the time? It's like he would give me a gift and it's something that he's also using. Oh yeah. Oh yeah. I mean, I've done that too. Like here I got

this for you but really it's for us. Did I tell you Oh, this is the sound of glory. Um, did I tell you about the time that will hired movers off of like Craigslist? Yeah. Yeah. Okay. And he like fucked up the entire bedroom set. And we had just moved into a new house like new construction, everything brand new. And my furniture should have been looking nice, but it looked like a cat had taken a hold of it. So I told him, I was like, listen, you didn't hire movers with insurance,

so you are replacing this. Do you know that that man bought that for me for Christmas? And I said, sir, like while I appreciate that you did this, I don't appreciate it because this was like a replacement gift for what you tore up. So essentially, I missed my Christmas gift because you needed to use the money to replace what you broke. Yeah, that wasn't a Christmas gift. That was not Christmas gift. He tried to kill two birds with one stone, but that's not.

And especially because he's gonna be sleeping in it too. No, no. That's what I was saying. I'm like, so not only was it like a replacement gift that also replaced my Christmas gift, you're also benefiting from this. Like this is not a Christmas gift to me at all. Okay, I need to ask you this

while we're on the topic of beds. When you got divorced, did you change? I didn't get a new mattress. Okay, you didn't get a new mattress, but did you get a new bed? No. You kept everything the same? Yes.

Okay, so my weird, crunchy ass thinks that mattresses trap energy. They do. I just loved my mattress so much and to this day I regret giving it to Becky because it was the best mattress of all time. Although I love purple and nectar too. They're both really great. But that specific mattress, I have not been able to like compare it to anything and I have never been able to find it in stores again. But I kept the whole bedroom set until I built my house. So I had that bedroom set from the time

that Hobby and I moved to Delaware all the way until I built my house. Okay, well, I'm gonna let you guys in on a little insider information. We'll cap our marital bed and our marital mattress. I got notified that he was getting a new mattress sometime last year because the delivery company actually had that he ordered like the furniture store

that he ordered it from, was a furniture store that we ordered furniture from when we were married. So they had my number on the file. So they called me. So I was like, oh, good to know. Thank you for letting me know that my ex-husband got a new mattress.

Like I literally said that to them. But then he put it in the frame of our marital bed and I kind of Gave a stink about it. Is someone knocking? Yes. Why does this keep happening? Hold on This is a shit show. Okay. We're a shit show. Hold on. Okay. A few moments later What was that? My landlord. He's always showing up. I don't under, I don't understand. And like if you see that- Like he's worse than an ex.

You see that I'm here, you know this is a recording studio. Like you know, like I don't just come here to fiddle fuck around. Like I literally work here and I go home. Yeah, like- I'm gonna get signs out front and out back. So every time I'm recording, it literally says on air.

First of all, you're not gonna remember to do that. You know, it's like the open sign that you like plug in. Yeah. Have you ever gone past a business and they forget to unplug their sign and it's been open like all night long. And it's like, in fact, what the fuck have you all been doing all night?

You know? Okay, so I was talking about the bed. So I kind of gave a stink about it because not that it's really my business, like who you're screwing up in your bedroom, but like that is my bed. And like it was a gift to me, which became your property.

Right. So I don't really like that idea. And also like, okay, this is just like a little too much tea but like I'm gonna do it anyway. I have slept in that bed on that new mattress as well in that house. So like just get rid of it. Ma'am.

And also in the new one that is existing. Once you got rid of that bed, the new one that's existing like already been there to ma'am. Yes. How do you know which matrix is which? Because I know what my marital one felt like and I know when that other one was delivered and I know when I laid down vertical and horizontal. Blinsey shut the fuck up. Shut up.

Shut up. I know when all of that took place. And I know when the new frame got there and I know what I've woke up seeing. You know? Yeah. Yeah. So it's just like a weird, it's a weird thing. And I just wonder how many people, like when they get divorced,

do they get all new things? I mean, obviously from a financial perspective, it's not really realistic to do that. And to be so, oh, that traps energy because a new couch probably costs like, I have no idea. But like it does trap energy. And like, if we laid up on that couch Why you need to be laying up on that couch with somebody else? I

Just for me, I don't know like I pretty much kept everything and I just used well, so My marital stuff was from pure one and if you guys remember pure one it was super expensive and I had wanted that specific set for so long and have you actually opened a credit card for me to be able to like put on a credit card? This was back in 2012 and I just got rid of it last year. Like literally 10 years And I had like sentimental feelings with that. But it had been through so much. And so I was like, and one of the because it had like the mirrored so much. Yeah, literally, literally. I had freed in that bed, like I just, that's just a

lot. That's a lot of memes to get rid of, but like probably a good purge too. It was. And also it just like wasn't my style anymore, but I did have it for a really long time. And I don't know, like I guess I just didn't, my priority spending at that time was definitely not furniture. It was definitely more frivolous and less than fruit. I was just not spending in the right areas. Like I probably could have stopped my Amazon habit

at that time and got a new bed set. But, and Kristen probably would have appreciated that if I started my Amazon spending at that time, but I just didn't. And then I got a new set finally. I got everything new, even for the kids when we moved into the house that I built. But doesn't it feel so good to get new stuff

and not that you're really ridding yourself of memories that are like, well, no, but I also felt such a sense of peace knowing that for whatever reason, going into Jackson's room and seeing that he had different stuff, it felt like a different phase. It didn't feel like I moved that phase into where I'm at. Okay. That's fair. And like I'm really weird about, about things like that.

I also need to ask you, and maybe this is a better question for Elijah. Has he ever went to grab an Elani, but accidentally grabbed a white claw? I don't think so. I don't know. I know he does love Elani and, um, I can only drink about half right now. Um, just cause like I, I'm just like weird, like I normally get Ventees and I'm on a grunt. I just don't know. He does love Elani, which is so funny because he's such like a man's man that to see him pick up his Elanis is so funny.

It's actually kind of funny to see him pick up like a Trulia or a White Claw too, because he's just dirty from top to bottom when he gets home from work. So when he picks up like one of those. That's a pretty drink. Like a cute drink, I'm like, um, and I don't know, I'll have to ask him.

I'm going to ask him if he, because they are the same. It's like the same kind of different labeling. I just want to know if anybody's ever gone to their refrigerator and then just thought that they were swiping on a lawny, but then really grabbed a white claw or a truly because this happened to me not too long ago. I can't even believe that I'm telling everybody this because it truly shows my level of like where I'm at. I use a broomate to like put my because the cans are the the size of like the broomate. So it keeps it cold because sometimes you know all moms relate to this.

If you have a coffee and you're moming, that thing might get watered down or straight up so cold that you can't even stomach it anymore. Same thing with an Elani. Like I'm not trying to crack that thing and it'd be ice cold and then come back to it 30 minutes later and it literally feels like death going down my throat. So I put it in a roommate. I did this accidentally with a white claw. I put on my Pilates socks.

I go to walk out my garage. I pop my can whenever I get in the car, go to drink it. And I'm like, oh, fuck. Like this is a white claw. Did you have to run in and replace it? Or were you already too far apart? No, it wasn't even on my garage, but I'm like, bro, like my car is already on.

And I just took a sip of white claw like this kind of feels illegal. It was totally an accident. Um, but yeah, I got a good little taste of white claw before 8am. You were like, I just needed that little, that little jump scare in the morning to get my day set off. You know what? I did. This episode is brought to you by IQ Bar. Lindsey, do you know what that sound is? It sounds like you're eating a snack.

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you agree to receive reoccurring automated marketing messages from IQ bar. Message and data rates may apply. No purchase required. Terms apply available at iqbar.com. Reply stop to stop. Help for help. In other news, though, can you give me any updates on Ruby Frank? Okay. Last week, we just, I kind of touched the surface, scratched the surface and wasn't entirely sure what charges that she was being charged with. So it's not more, it's not really an update. It's more like specifics. Info. Yeah. And if you guys are already following this case, you may already know this, but they're like Lindsay, she doesn't, she's not doing a deep dive into this one.

following this case, you may already know this, but they're like Lindsay, she doesn't, she's not doing a deep dive into this one. So just to scroll down, it was in fact, just to confirm, it was in fact the 12 year old son who climbed out of the window of Jody's house and got help from the neighbor's house. And according to the affidavit filed, it said that a second child was found in similar condition,

both were taken to the hospital. Both women are accused of a combination of this is quote from the article on cbsnews.com quote, both Frankie and Hilda Brandt are accused of a combination of multiple physical injuries or torture, starvation or malnutrition that depper that jeopardizes life and causing severe emotional harm of two children. Washington County Attorney's Office in Utah said Wednesday, and they both face six counts, which carry a potential prison sentence of one to 15 years in prison and a fine up to 10,000.

In my humble opinion, and I'm a nobody, I don't think that's enough. $10,000 for a combination of multiple physical injuries, torture, starvation, and malnutrition that jeopardizes a child's life. Emotional harm, which can be even more damaging than physical harm. Because those are things that you live with for forever. That's going to take a lot of therapy to get through that. Also, we're completely missing the point

where essentially she abused her other children who didn't have these things because they had to witness it and could not do anything about it. So now that's truly trauma and abuse to those children because now they have to recover and they were innocent bystanders that couldn't go up against their parent.

That's kind of like that case that we covered. What was her name? She was the adopted girl. Natalia Grace. Natalia Grace. It's kind of like that with those other children. Like, although they weren't being abused in the same way, they were witnessing that abuse.

Which is abuse in itself, in and of itself? The mom making the sign going like pee on her stuff, remember that? Like, to me, that's abuse of all of those children. I agree. And if I was the prosecutor in this case, which obviously I'm not a prosecutor, but like wish I was. Maybe one day. If I was, I would be trying to move forward

with maximum sentencing on that. Well, and especially because she benefited in so many ways financially and I guess not socially, but what is the like in a public figure sort of way? Like she was getting notoriety and things like that. And if anyone was wondering where she came from, I didn't know this. I only know this from the TikTok. Her viral lunch story TikTok, she had a YouTube channel called Eight Passengers, which I had

said on the last episode. Still nothing on where the husband is and where he stands. But also, I saw a video that went viral last night and This woman who is a former LDS member added her thoughts regarding the situation and she talks about how a lot of people in the church of Latter-day Saints They want to separate themselves from this and they're like no like they're so shocked by this They want to separate themselves from this and they're like, no, like they're so shocked by this. But people who have been removed from the LDS church and our former members are not surprised

by this at all because allegedly she was in connection with like their members of the church of Latter-day Saints. So a lot of people are not surprised by this. I guess this is because, which I didn't know, Mormons very much expect children to be obedient and disciplined and all of those like seen that heard kind of thing. And so she was giving her thoughts as a former LDS member and I thought that was really interesting because I didn't know, I guess, that people were still practicing that like we're in 2020. You know what? I'm going to be very forthcoming. I think that there were still practicing that like we're in 20 you know what? I'm I'm gonna be very forthcoming

I think that there are a lot of similarities in the southern Baptist community as well I said that whenever we did the interview with what was that girl's name? I forget what her name was but we we did the interview regarding that documentary and view regarding that documentary. And there are great connections there. And that was something that I heard growing up all the time. You are seen not heard. And you just abide by your parents. You are obedient and what your parents say goes. You do not question that. Your opinion is not relevant. This is not a conversation and very much so authoritative and more so like a dictatorship.

And one of the girls in our kitty gang actually wrote and said that this was like very common in the community in Utah specifically. OK, so even if Ruby Frank wasn't affiliated with the church of Latter-day Saints, it was still very common in Utah. Yeah, interesting. So I'm going to be following this case. So I'll keep you guys updated. I just wanted to, I know people hate, I know our listeners hate when we get on here and talk about something that we don't know all the details, but that's just kind of like part of life is like, you're interested in something,

you start getting the details and then you finally nail down what they are. So I just wanna say that like, I'm just giving updates that I come across. So I don't know, I don't have all the information, but if you wanna follow this case or you have information, more information, feel free to write in and let me know.

As if we're literally crime stoppers of America. You're like, please write in and let us know the details. Speaking of though, like other child stuff, I saw this article come up in People Magazine and it says unthinkable Georgia babysitter accused of choking one year old in her care. This girl was 23 years old, definitely in her mugshot. She looks like she is an oversized T-shirt wearer

and probably is wearing Nike shorts and might be in a sorority. Wow, she does not look like someone who would ever do something like this. She looks like she's straight out of like, have you seen the trending TikToks of like the girls who go to Alabama, I think Ole Miss and they with their dorm rooms

and they're so cute and they're just like, she looks like one of those girls. Exactly what she looks like. 23 years old, charged with felony cruelty to children and felony aggravated assault. The alleged incident in which authorities said she suffocated and or strangled the child took place in February.

Police have charged her with felony assault after child was her and nearly killed. According to the local news stations, this is close to Atlanta where this happened. But according to WSB TV, which is the local news station, the police said that there weren't any nanny cams to capture the alleged incident, which means the investigation has taken months. She's being held in a county jail, but was released on bond on Monday. And the lieutenant and the area where she was being held said that it was unthinkable and there is nothing for us to go on exactly

on why this did happen. It's something that we may never know. And when the child obviously is too young to tell us the truth, that gets really sticky, which is like another interesting thing. But she knows exactly what happened and hopefully it'll come out in court. And then it just gave like a little disclaimer

if you suspect child abuse, call the Child Health National Child Abuse Hotline at 1-800-4-A-CHILD or 1-800-422-4453. All calls are toll free and confidential. The hotline is available 24 seven and is in more than 170 languages. So that applies like anywhere you live. She only got two years of probation so far.

So far, but I don't even think that it's gone to trial or anything like that. I just wonder like, was this like a snapped? Had to be because type situation, because how does that happen to like a one-year-old child? How can a one-year-old make you that angry and just like the thoughts of knowing that you're a parent, you leave your child with this person that you think is like trusty,

and your child is put in that type of situation. And then you wonder why you have helicopter parents who have all these cams in their freaking house. It's because of shit like this. I hope that the child fully recovers. I also hope that the baby suffered because a one year old is a baby suffered no brain damage or traumatic brain injury from that, from lack of oxygen

because that will be a whole other situation. A whole other situation. It had to be a snapped type of situation. That couldn't have been like, the only thing that I can think of as a mom of multiples is like sometimes you get overwhelmed with a tantrum. And it's just crazy because as a mom, I've never gotten close to doing something like,

you know what I mean? Like it's just like how, and as a mom, you're with them all the time. And so it's, you would think, you would expect it more from a mom who's like overwhelmed and burnout and dealing with tantrums and dealing with this and that and the third.

So it's really weird to me when a stranger steps in and gets that overwhelmed that quickly. And don't come for me when I say the next thing. I don't know of any one year old that I've ever been around that there was a tantrum that was that extreme that would cause a situation like that. Agreed. Agreed. Because, you know, creed is three and creed now has tantrum, I mean,

two and three, but like at one, he wasn't having tantrums. Cause at one, they're still, they're not, they're barely even, they're only saying a couple of words if that some, some kids don't talk at one. So I just like, I don't know. I've tried to like pull apart this situation and come up with like hypothetical things.

Was this potentially during like the child's witching hour? You know, like maybe like screaming and crying because I just, it feels like so many moons ago that Jackson was this age, but I remember he had a witching hour. Yeah. It felt like for a lot like years, it felt like. I just don't like, I'll never forget the one time that Lincoln was He Lincoln was not a good sleeper because I breastfed he wouldn't sleep in it He never slept slept in his crib a day in his life I was so overwhelmed and I've said this story before this is not new I put him in his crib and I walked out I put him in his crib. I knew he was gonna be in a safe place

I closed the door and I walked out gave myself a little bit of time and I went back in. I can't understand, especially if it's not my kid, I'm going to put him in a safe place, safe place, walk out, gather my thoughts, give myself a minute because chances are the child is going to survive in the crib crying for 15 minutes while I get my thoughts together and I can go back in and reevaluate the situation. Child might calm down, you know, whatever the case is. I can't understand not doing that. Me either.

And I think that it's different parenting, right? So some people believe that that is the proper way to handle a situation like that. Like if your child, your child needs to learn how to self-sue, then they do like this cry out method. I don't necessarily, no, I don't like this cry out method. I never did that. I don't necessarily, no, I don't like the cry out method, but I'm just saying for, for yourself, like you need to gather yourself.

Correct, like you're on the verge of hurting yourself or the child, go put the baby in a safe place and walk out and give yourself 15 minutes, 10 minutes, whatever. I also don't love the cry out method. However, in this case, I feel like you chose strength, like choking a one year old over walking away. And I just think of the size of a one year old child.

Like it wouldn't take a ton of force to like truly harm them. And in a situation of like rage, if that's what the situation was, it certainly wouldn't. And like, I can't imagine being the parent of this child coming home to a situation like this, knowing that I didn't have nanny cams, the guilt that I would feel for leaving my child with that person feeling like they were trusting, have no proof the child can't advocate for himself at that point or herself at that point.

That to me just feels like a clusterfuck. I want to know how they found out like did she call 911? Did the parents come home and realize something was wrong? Yeah. I want to know how they found out. I wish there was more details but. And was like their marks like on the child's neck or face or something like that. Like how did they get to the bottom of that was like what she actually did.

That's insane. Like I was on the phone with Trent last night and we were having a conversation about co-burger and I said, if that type of shit happened to one of my kids, I would be a nuisance to society and he wouldn't have to worry about being in jail because I would have taken care of him myself. Like someone harms my child, then you're not safe. Speaking of that case, I had a paralegal

on my, I'm barely famous the other day and she didn't really follow that case at all. And so we were texting about it. I have developed a new theory on that. And I really think that that fourth roommate or whatever, was it a third? Bethany? I think she was involved.

Listen, Kristen and I talk about co-burger pretty often on the Southern Tee because we're both so- Invested. Invested and invested. We have decided that when it does go to trial, we're taking personal days. We might be pretending like we're sick. Thank you for letting me know in advance.

But do you not feel that way? Do you have you not developed those thoughts? I have. I have always been suspect of that roommate. And just to know that like something like that could go on in a house and you're just going to act like, oh, because it was so late, that you were just oblivious. Like, I'm sorry, but I don't care how that house was set up.

Somebody that's coming in and brutally killing multiple people, you can't tell me that you just saw his bushy eyebrows and he left the house and he didn't freaking see you. I don't know. Something's us about that. No, she's definitely is more involved than she's leading anyone to believe. Okay, Lindsay, I'm pulling out my wardrobe, you know, seeing what I need to buy and all those things. And guess what I just placed in order for? I don't know what I grabbed pair eyewear for Corey because he wears glasses but then I also got myself some blue light glasses and then also the sunglasses frames so that when I'm out and

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So anyway, this dermatologist office, they call me a hundred times. I already confirmed the appointment. This was before I had to cancel, right? A hundred times. And then I get a hundred text messages, emails, and then I got an email that was like, check in for your dermatologist appointment. And it was the yesterday, so the day before my appointment. And I thought to myself, why do flights and appointments?

I don't know if anyone else's doctor appointment does that. Why would we check in for an appointment or a flight the day before? Because are there benefits to that? And then secondly, what happens if you check in and then you miss it? I don't know if there's any penalty unless it's like an elective type of appointment.

Like if you're going, okay, let's just say I was going to like my lash appointment or like my waxing appointment. They're gonna charge me the cost of what that service would have been for missing that. Right, but what about like a flight? Like a medical thing? I don't know if there's any.

Charged if you miss it for some places, which I'm gonna call it a cancel, so it's a little bit different, but it's not like I'm just gonna miss it. But like, I mean, I still. What is the purpose of checking into the flight early unless it's for them to have like some type of information on potential like standby, you know, like if you miss it, are you going to get like, so I'm the queen

of missing flights. I miss flights all the time, literally by minutes. We know. So if I miss a flight, usually you don't have to pay anything because you missed the flight. They'll just put you on. Sometimes you have to pay like the difference if it's like a cost difference. Yeah. There's a cost difference.

You might have to pay that, but like sometimes they can get you on another flight and you don't have to pay anything. Um, but if you check in and then you missed the flight, you're already checked in. So what I don't understand. And then for my doctor appointment today, since it, since I just found out that my kids can get into the pediatrician, it's not 24 hours. So if they charge me, I gotta take that loss, which is fine, because my kids come first.

It's just a little embarrassing if I was to have Joe and Javi show up with both of my kids, they're both my kids, and they both show up to the, it's just weird. So I was like, I need to take them. You know what I mean? For sure. Well. I call Kristen and I'm like, I need to take them. Like, you know what I mean? For sure. Well. I call Kristen and I'm like,

I just like, it just doesn't sit right with me if they're going to be seen on the same day having both of their dads there, but they're both my kids. Like it just feels weird. That's me calling myself that. Do you feel left out or you haven't like felt well? No, it just, is it, it's embarrassing.

Yeah. That's embarrassing. Why are all my kids up here with the collective dads? Like, like, I'm not there. They were gonna, they were gonna try to get them in on Monday and Creed has an appointment on Monday too. So I was like, could you imagine if Chris, Javi and Joe all showed up to the pediatrician with my children, but it's not me bringing my collect, like, that's embarrassing.

That's like, that is where it's's like I don't care that I have three baby dads just don't show up to the same appointment with my children like just don't do that. Yeah that's no that's a lot that kind of makes you feel like you're not doing your job. Just like well and it's like they all know that like I had children with all of them so it's just like I can't okay but about these automated reminder things. No, I got so many, I was like literally about to throw my phone. I got so many.

I absolutely hate it. And I can understand for the people who are like haphazard in life and like need lots of reminders and stuff. But I feel like there should be an option for you to be able to select that when you are making these appointments. Like I need a reminder or I don't need a reminder. I don't need my wax person

to send me an appointment confirmation. Then I have to confirm that I'm gonna make the appointment and another email and then they call to remind me that I have an appointment and it's like in fact I know because I know what my cootie looks like right now and I know like that I have this appointment. I love the reminder text when it's one time but they called me on a Friday. I pressed one to confirm and this is after I confirmed one, two, three, four, five.

Yeah, no. Five more calls after I confirmed, then I got two text messages and two emails. I already confirmed, and that's the other thing. It's like, if I already confirmed. Why are you doing this? So it must be a glitch in the system. It has to be a glitch in the system.

It be glitching. It has to be. Can I ask you about that lip gloss that you have right now? Because someone sent me a little care package for my birthday. And it also was an early birthday thing. And I'm pretty sure it had that lip gloss in there. And I feel like it's the greatest find. OK. And I'm pretty sure it had that lip gloss in there and I feel like it's the greatest find. Okay.

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It's so good. Okay. So not too long ago, Kristen and I were talking about pre-nups on this other team and I feel like that's just like such a loaded, I could talk for days about this. And if you've ever been slighted in any possible way, I feel like you could even talk for more than a day about this. But we were covering something about this TikTok that I saw about doing your prenuptial stuff while in the process of also planning a wedding and how it felt like you're almost

like preparing for this breakup or this divorce when you're supposed to be like in the most happiest time of your life preparing to marry the person that you love. But then I saw this other video come up and this was like a couple of days ago that I saw it and it was talking about signing a divorce contract before getting married and I personally believe that if you're coming to the table with anything or you're planning on becoming anything in the future, this is really smart. And he went into this whole explanation about how he and his wife signed this divorce contract before they got married.

They agreed to the terms of their divorce before they got married. And he said he realizes that it's very controversial, but the reason why they did that was because they wanted to be completely impartial in the decision making while things were good. And that they both felt that it was a really good way to show you who the other person is because you get to see who the real person is when it comes to what that process would

look like and the event that it happened. And they basically went through how assets were going to be split in the event of future kids who would have what controls over the children, who would get the marital home, who would get the cars. And a lot of those things he said are material things, but still matter. And that you really just get to have like a good grasp on who you're dealing with and how they would highly encourage this for people who are deciding to get married.

Isn't this the same as a prenup? No, I don't think so. In some regards, yes. I also am curious to know who would, how heavily the kid situation would the traffic out here. I'm curious to know how the custody situation would play out because the circumstances and the lifestyle of the children when this is being done versus by the time of divorce and the situations both parents are in at the time of divorce may be significantly different.

So I wonder how much weight that would actually hold because it is an agreement for the children. But let's say that this was scaled, let's say if you were discussing in the event of a divorce before getting into a marriage and we have children involved, let's look at a parenting plan in a general sense and eliminate the financial aspect of that. And think about custody split, holidays,

like all of those things you would be eliminating, having an argument over in the event that you got divorced, you don't even have to worry about any of that stuff. V and I have been talking about pre-nups on baby mamas for the past like two or three weeks. And one came up yesterday when we recorded for, it's gonna air after this, but we recorded it before. Matt Barnes, which is an NBA player.

And I think this is okay to talk about one, because it's a different person. And two, if you don't listen to baby mamas, this is a moot point. Matt Barnes is a former NBA player and him and his ex-wife had an agreement that when he retired from the NBA, he would would they were gonna go back to 50-50 custody because he would be back in California. When the time came he retired that was their

agreement. She reneged and was like I'm not going back to 50-50 take me to court. So he then spent over a million dollars and ended up with sole physical custody. So he still won? He won, but he wanted to go back to 50-50, which is what they mutually agreed when he retired. But then you have to look at the situation as a whole and realize, okay, well, I have said before, until you go through a divorce with someone,

you truly don't know their true colors. Like I think that you really don't know their true colors. Like I think that you really get to know somebody when you've divorced them and that's like a really sad thing to say. But if it's something that you've agreed on and you weren't like under the influence of anything and this is like a legal binding agreement,

unless a situation changed where you felt in a child situation, like you're splitting custody, unless it was that person completely changed in character or did not have the ability to take care of these kids, I feel like that should stand because you agreed to that and now you might just be mad

and now you don't wanna agree to that. I think it goes back to the whole argument. It's not about you, it's about the kids. Right, I just think- I personally think this is a great idea. Oh, I'm not saying, I mean, I'm in full support of pre-nups and divorce agreements. I'm in full support after what happened to me

in full support. 110%, I will never understand someone who doesn't get a preup because I mean you could literally write up your own and take it to a fucking notary and that stands. You know what I mean? So like it's not like you're having to spend $1,500, $2,000 on a prenuptial agreement with an attorney. You can literally write this out on your own, go to a notary.

So 100% an agreement to anything like this. However, I just, I don't know about the children situation. I don't know. I think it depends on the state, but assets, anything else, 100%. I just think it's so sad whenever kids are involved in a divorce situation, and you have two people that cannot reach a point of reasoning with each other for the benefit of the children and look at the situation and just remove yourself as adults and your emotions.

And just specifically think about the kids. Right. Why does all this money need to be spent? Because at that point, that all the money needs to be spent, that tells me that there is no reasoning with those two people and someone in that situation, if not both of those people in that situation, not always both. Sometimes it's just one is, is just completely unhinged. Right? Like Will

and I did not spend a ton of money and attorney's fees when it came to Art of War, where there are certain things that like we went back and forth on when it came to the parenting plan, yes, but in the grand scheme of things, not really. It was more about like, so in the state of Georgia, it's cut into four categories as far as, I don't wanna use the word control because I don't really like that, but like medical control, extracurricular,

religion and education. And that was something that like Will did want to argue on and ultimately he just reached a point of she's probably not going to give on these things. My, while we share primary physical or we share joint physical custody, I have primary control when it comes to education and the event that an address needs to be used for Jackson as primary residence, mine is used and medical 100% of control there,

but I also have to notify Will within a certain amount of time. But those were the things that were kind of sticky stuff. And my reasoning that I wanted the medical control was because I have always been the one to take Jackson to doctor's appointments, always done everything in regards to that. So I felt like it was a fair situation.

If that was the pattern that we had done while we were married, why would that change? What more divorced? Joe's calling me. Hold on. Are we okay? I don't know. I said, are we okay?

Yeah. I said, kind of doctor appointment and I had told Joe yesterday, I'm like, he has two doctor appointments today. He has his therapy appointment and he has his pediatrician appointment. And I said, there's no point in you going to taking him to school because he's literally going to go to school late and then get out early. And he's like, no, he needs to go to school. And then he just called me and was like, can I just drop him off

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And one of those was the biggest lesson I learned this year is not to force anything, conversations, friendships, relationships, attention and love. Anything force is not worth fighting for, whatever flows, flows, whatever crashes. I'm so grateful for all the experiences that I've had, the life lessons that I've learned along the way. They are completely invaluable.

And the last one, because it's very relevant to my current life situation, wait for the one who simply adores you, the kind of person who brings out the best in you and makes you want to be a better person, the only person who will drop everything to be with you at any time, no matter what the circumstances, for the person who makes you smile like no one else ever has, wait for the person who wants to show you off to the world because they are so proud of you. And most of all, wait for the person who will make you a priority because that's where you belong.

Period. And I found one thing that was very relevant to me too, in regarding my co-parenting situation. And it is co-parenting with an ex can be tough, but if you stay calm, keep your child's needs in focus, your actions will always be sound no matter how your co-parent might behave. Can you read that one more time for me?

Co-parenting with an ex can be tough, but if you stay calm and keep your child's needs in focus, your actions will always be sound no matter how your co-parent might behave. That's very relevant to my life right now. Right at this moment. Right at this moment. And in my year 34, this is something

that I also started applying in year 33 and have learned this through therapy, is don't let other people's opinions of you diminish your joy. It's easier said than done, but it is possible. It is. We have a couple of unpopular opinions that we need to get through. Okay.

The first one is my kids don't care for books, so I don't read to them unless they ask. I don't agree with this. I think reading is such an important part of a child's learning, and it's beyond reading. I think if you have a good reader, then they will be successful in other areas of their life. That was something that I always stressed

from the time that Jackson was born. We had an arsenal of books. When he came into this world, he's been read to every single night of his life. Will used to do it when he moved into his own bedroom. That was kind of like their nighttime thing because he was out of the house working and then they would just do that together.

Now Jackson kind of like reads more solo but is required to read and through his like homework for school. I think they're required 30 minutes of reading per week is what's recommended. And then they do a 45 minutes a week of math like on this online program. And I just think it's like a good way to settle the mind.

I think it's good for like critical thinking and comprehension. And it's great for them to be able to use their imagination in story. So I just think reading is very important. I, that is so crazy. I don't know how this ended up on today's episode because the mom guilt that I feel this past week for not reading to my kids more, I read so much with Isaac because he was my first and my only for four years.

And then I read with Lincoln because Isaac went to preschool, so I always read to Lincoln. Lux I read a little bit less, and then Creed I read a little bit less, and Creed loves books so much, like he loves them. And I have so much mom guilt because I'm like, I hate that I didn't read more to them. And Isaac hates reading Lincoln is a phenomenal reader, but hates reading Lux hates reading last night's homework, they have to read 15 minutes per

night. And yeah. And so and I'll be honest, like he is the youngest one in his class, he was the youngest one in his class at kindergarten, He's the youngest one in his class this year. And so it's been a little bit more of a struggle because he's, you know, his best friend in his class this year will turn seven next month and Lux just turned six. So he's a whole, you know, year behind. And it's a struggle. And I wish that I read more to them.

And I feel like, you know, it sounds like I can just like, once we like all calm down at night can like read, but it's just not. And as an adult, I started, it's crazy because I feel like with book talk on TikTok and stuff. I like within the last year, two years, I've picked up reading a lot more, especially like on flights when I travel, when I'm in hotels by myself, I'll bring books with me. And it's just something, and I love reading at night to like literally settle my mind, but that's my therapist.

And I had seen a sleep consultant a while back. She, they also suggested like reading as like a, like a nightcap kind of. So, and it's just great. Yeah, part of your nighttime routine. Yeah. And I just, I think, I don't know the full context of this person writing in my kids don't care for books. So I don't read to them unless they ask

It kind of goes back to the whole lead by example kind of thing if they don't see you reading if you're not making it a Priority they're never gonna make it a priority if you suddenly make it a habit and they see you do it constantly or they see you Pretending like it's that's a good example And so like I have a big book club like me You know what I need like I just I do think it's that's a good example. And so like I have a- Making book club like me. You know what I need? Like I just, I do think it's important and I don't want you to have the regret that like,

oh, if I would have read to them more, they would have been, you know, more knowledgeable on this or they might have had a bigger vocabulary because I struggle with that now. It's like, I didn't read, I feel like for so long and I never took my reading work seriously in school. My vocabulary isn't where it should be. And so there's so many benefits to it.

For Jackson, that's his strongest suit in school and he's always been multiple grade levels ahead when it comes to reading and he struggles in other areas. I don't wanna say he doesn't struggle in other areas, but that's always been a strong suit and I contribute that to the fact that he has been exposed since he literally came home. And so-

There's studies that even when you read while you're pregnant and as infants, like when they're coming out of the womb days old and you're reading to them every night or you're reading to them every day, there are studies that show like how important it is. So I have a lot of mom guilt because the more kids I've had, the less I've read. And I mean, I think even just like taking that time to calm your mind sometimes we'll do like a

Where's Waldo book or something like that, you know, where it's just kind of using your brain, but it's still like a settling thing because you're doing it in the bed. I think maybe like incorporating some of that where you have one night of like a fun activity book and then that's the reward for doing, you know, like we did four chapters this week. So now we'll do this on this night. I think that's a good incentive. Next on popular opinion is parents who don't want their kids to fly the coop and want to keep them home instead. What does fly the coop? What does that mean? Like kind of have their own level of independence.

An example that I would give is maybe like not wanting your child to go to sleepovers because that's something that I struggle with. Okay, that I don't know is necessarily, because that's more of a, in my opinion, that's more of a safety situation. So I don't know is necessarily, because that's more of a, in my opinion, that's more of a safety situation. So I don't know if that would be like flying that. I almost, like Isaac is very,

like very much has his own opinions about things. And some of them align with what, how I feel. And some of them are like, I don't agree. You know? And so if that is, you know, kind of having some level of independence, I would say, I don't know that sleepovers is it.

Kristen said that they mean moving out. Oh, and so read it again. What is it, what does it say? It says, parents who don't want their kids to fly the coop and want to keep them home instead. It's weird. So like college, like living out like in the dorm and an apartment and then moving out?

Yeah, I have a personal experience with this. My parents, I went to school close to home like within the city limits of Atlanta. So we only lived like 45 minutes outside of the city. So I was a commuter student for the first year of college and that wasn't because my parents didn't trust me. That was because they weren't ready to let me go. And like more so, it was my dad. He wanted to see me on a daily basis. And so that was really hard for me as a college student joining a sorority,

being in classes, wanting to go to things after school. While I didn't understand where my dad was coming from when I was going through that as a child, I'm more understanding now of it since I've become a parent and why some of those concerns would have been there with me being in the city limits of Atlanta and the crime that goes on there. I can totally understand where he was coming from, but I think at the end of the day you have to trust that you've raised your children in a way that they can be independent and they know how to be safe. I have a couple of feelings on this. One, I think there are parents who want full control

and I think that they're, you know, those parents that it's more of a control thing. And then on the other hand, I do think that there are parents who just know their child and know that said child may not be ready to do something like that. And they don't want to see their children fall flat on their face. And so, you know, with me and my kids,

like I know which ones are going to be ready for certain milestones when the time comes. And I know which ones may need to wait a year, you know, like for driving or moving out or, you know, specifically college when you are on your own and you don't live at home and you're not a commuter student, you know, I right now I can already tell you which ones I think will do just fine living on campus and the ones that need to come home every day. But I think that that's being in tune with your children and knowing who your children are and what their needs are. For me, I felt like I was always a responsible child. I didn't really get in trouble.

I mean, did I do things as a kid, certainly, but like, did I get in any type of trouble that would have given my parents any inclination that I wouldn't have been able to function, like on a college campus? Absolutely not. I think it does go back to a level of control and wanting to have that control.

And it's funny that you brought up the driving thing because I straight up, I'm a lion mom. Like I straight up told Jackson that you don't get your permit until you're 16. Yes or no? One of my kids needs to wait. I mean, I didn't get my license until I was 17. I was driving for three years without a license and a permit

but my mom and Joe's mom didn't know that. And it was more of lack of resources at the time. But I know right now I can tell you out of my two oldest, which one needs to wait a year and which one will get his license or his permit as soon as he can. Do you have any children that feel like their abilities are greater than what they are? Yes. feel like their abilities are greater than what they are. Okay, because my son specifically told me yesterday, I said, I'm gonna go and pick up Chinese for dinner. And he said, do you want me to go pick it up?

I'm like, are you going on your razor scooter? Like, then that's when the question got brought, when do you get your license? And I'm like, well, you're 10, but in my mind, I'm thinking you're specifically not driving till you're 30. Like. Do you want me to go pick it up? I can't.

Like thanks for the thoughtfulness, but also, like I'm not trying to get sued by somebody on the road. I'm not trying to get arrested for allowing you to be in a vehicle that you do not belong in. And also, no, like you wouldn't even know how to turn left or right. He probably couldn't read. I mean, in your car, maybe, but I have a suburban. So I think the only one that could essentially reach the pedals would be Isaac.

I don't even think Lincoln could because he's a little, he's a little on the shorter side right now. I think Jackson's a lot taller than Lincoln. So Lincoln probably couldn't touch. Oh man. Okay, so we're going to do one more on popular opinion and then get to foul play. And this one is so funny. Okay, not all babies or kids are cute.

Agree. I totally agree. I would never tell somebody that their baby was ugly. I'm not going to say that to someone's face. My kids were not cute when they were born. I'm sorry, but they just weren't will has this opinion that all babies look exactly the same whenever they look like Hills have eyes, cone heads, like I don't know. Nobody babies. There are very, very few and far

between newborn babies and really babies that are actually cute. See, I just disagree. I thought Jackson was so cute, but you know, that's just like what mothers think, you know, it's like my nanny used to say this growing up, that person's so ugly, only his mother could love him. Yeah. You know, and I just don't think like that. Like, I don't know.

Like I think that you always think that your kids are so cute. Your kids do go through awkward phases. Kids are not always cute. Babies are not always cute. My kids were not cute. I just think how can you say a baby is ugly though when they're just like so innocent and they've done nothing to anybody. Okay.

And there are adults that have lived almost perfect lives that are just ugly. Like you can't help it. I mean I would never say like I'm not gonna call them ugly or like make fun of them but they're just homely looking. Like they're just they can't help how they look. I was an ugly baby. Like I saw my baby pictures and I was not cute. Like only my mother and my grandmother could love me at the time. I'm not in denial. Like I don't know. Okay, I need to know if anyone that's listening to this podcast has had a child that when they saw it, they got scared or like they thought that they were ugly because me. scared or like they thought that they were ugly because me I have a story when Chase was born. So my dad had Kyle and I we were born like slick headed, like very fair blue eyes, blonde hair.

Chase came out and he had like this black crazy hair and brown eyes. And my dad was like, he's just not cute. Now, Chase was the cutest toddler ever. But my dad has maintained forever. Like Chase was an ugly baby. I personally thought that Chase was absolutely precious. And I thought he was literally the cutest thing that had ever been born. Like I didn't know any different.

I was so excited. I was a big sister. He was my life baby doll. Like I thought he was precious. You could not tell me shit. Um, but my dad was like, that's not the types of babies that I'm used to seeing. And that doesn't mean that like Kyle and I were pretty babies by any means, but it was just different. And so I just wonder like what goes through your head when a child is born and you're like that baby's just ugly.

Like that would never be a thought of mine. I would always think it was beautiful. Oh, it's been a thought of mine. Who? I'm not going to tell you because if they hear my podcast, I don't want them to cry about it and say one of their siblings was cuter than them. I have had ugly babies and then they ended up to all be handsome today. So we can just be thankful for that. I'm just thankful that the ugly baby stage didn't last very long. And this is a perfect lead end to foul play because that's just foul. Over 10 years ago, I was dating this douche canoe of a guy and we were at his mom's house home alone. We started getting it on in the shower when his mom came home

and started banging on the bathroom door telling us to come out. Well, this guy tells me to get out and face his mom by myself. Nope, you're a coward. I'm done. Like the young naive girl I was, I obliged and greeted his mom as if nothing happened. She asked why I was in there and I told her I had to shit. Mind you, my hair is soaking wet. I'm gonna be my ass off.

She obviously knew I was lying, but just chose to ignore my lie and told me to use her bathroom next time. Okay. So if you're old enough to be fucking, then you're old enough to have balls to face your own mother. Well, what a fucking asshole. I'm not doing that. Why would he, why would he put her in that position? He needed to get out and face his mom himself. And also he could have dried off way faster than her and she could have been in the shower and it would have been way more believable that he had to shit than she did. Yeah, but I don't think they thought that far. I think they were just panicked.

Panicked. And it was like one of those like knee jerk reaction situations of let me try to remedy this problem before it gets out of hand, but in fact, it was already out of hand. I don't like shower sex, number one, so that just like wouldn't have happened for me. Number two, I'm in fact never sleeping with you again, because if you're too much of a coward to face your own mother and you're making me do that, that tells me everything about what would be happening if we were potentially married. and your mama, your problems. Agreed. I agree with that. Next, this past weekend, I was doing my grocery shopping with my son and turned down the aisle

so he could pick out the cereal for the week. We all understand this. He was standing on the back of the carriage and we were entering the aisle and suddenly goes, ugh, it stinks over here. I told him someone probably just ripped a fart and walked away. Oh, so somebody crop dusted that I've also been exposed to this. As we go a little further into the aisle, it smells terrific. And now we both have our shirts over our nose wondering what the hell the smell is. Suddenly a woman goes, excuse me, I look up. She then says, watch where you're walking. I look at her confused as if she's a good 10 feet away

from me, I know I'm not in her way. She points down to the floor and I see a blob of poop in front of me. Horrified, I look all around to see a pile under my car and a trail of others I somehow managed to not step in or roll through. I tell my son, do not get down in an attempt to go forward down the aisle.

I couldn't, it was just trails of shit from the entrance all the way through the aisle going to the back room where the bathroom is. I ran out the aisle so fast. I never ended up getting our cereal. Not what I expected on my Sunday morning, but shit happens. Love listening to you ladies on the podcast. Thanks for keeping me entertained throughout the week. Do we think that this was like Explosive diarrhea situation where someone like didn't make it to the bathroom. Yes, or was this like the rolling turd situation? No turd fell out. This was an explosive situation where she didn't get to the bathroom Did I tell you the time I accidentally peed in the grocery store? No, I think you failed to mention that. Yeah I was living at my first apartment. I went to the grocery store and I was down an aisle. It was nighttime. It was either after school or after work, something like

that. And I had to pee so bad I didn't make it. I just was, it just came out. And now it just came out. And so like was it on the floor? Yeah, in the middle of the grocery aisle. And I had to tell somebody. What do you say? Nothing. You can't say anything. You just say, I accidentally pee myself right in your aisle. You know what this story kind of like reminded me of? It's like, if you're ever walking like at a public park

or something like that and you've stepped in some like dog shit and you just like keep smelling turds and you're like, where is that coming from? And you check the bottom of your shoe and it's like, did someone not have enough cooth to just like pick this up? Like, and now it's on the bottom of my shoe. Well, it's just like, clean it up yourself.

If you did it, you need to clean it up. And like also, I'm just wondering like, how fast the situation happened. Obviously, if this was, it makes sense for it to be like a diarrhea situation, because if they had to like rush to the bathroom and they were like shitting as they were going, they probably wouldn't have had the time

to tell somebody at the grocery store to like close the aisle. I can just tell you if I saw shit on the floor at the grocery store, I wouldn't be buying anything on that aisle anyway. I don't know that I would go back. I mean, I would. I think I'm going to pick a new grocery store. On that note though, I have to go. I have two more recordings and so I, and I'm already ready for one of them, which means I'm gonna be late for the next one because they're back to back.

So I'm gonna get off. I love y'all. I love you. And I hope that you have a fantastic rest of your week. If you guys have not subscribed to the show, you can do that from any podcast app wherever you get your podcast. Always first at podcast one.

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