Coffee Convos with Kail Lowry and Lindsie Chrisley - Cloning Our Men's Cones

Episode Date: July 21, 2022

[TW: CONTAIN MENTIONS OF SEXUAL ASSUALT, GRAPHIC VIOLENCE & CHILD ABUSE] An absolute s**t show today and we're all here for it! The girls do a little catching up, talk about why adults would still want side pieces and share their thoughts on the netflix documentary Girl In the Picture.  And now this is where things get out of hand! Lindsie says she considered getting a mold of Will's schlong which gave Kristen the idea to prank several unfortunate men. Lindsie wants to know what Vabbing is and uh-oh, Suburban Dad and Javi are not having Lindsie and Kail's BS! Thank you to our sponsors! Body Guardz: Go to BodyGuardz.com/Coffee to protect your phone today Caraway: Visit Carawayhome.com/COFFEECONVOS or use code COFFEECONVOS at checkout for 10% off your next purchase Huggies: Learn more on Huggies.com Stitch Fix: Sign up today at StitchFix.com/convos to get $20 off your first purchase Stride K-12: Personalize your child’s education at K12.com/podcast 

I hate gift-giving and receiving receiving gifts is so weird. What do you say? Thank you This is coffee convos with Kale Lowry and Lindsay Chrisley. I really want you to be in your feels Kale That does not interest me whatsoever. I feel very attacked by you a spirited discussion about motherhood friendship Family and life in the public eye. I'm just not with the fakery anymore. There's a fakery bakery around here Here's Kale and Lindsay And three two one This episode of coffee combos is brought to you by Huggies special delivery diapers Well, actually when you counted down

I was thinking of the Zoe 101 theme song because I feel like they count down in there, too Zoe 101. Did you watch that? No The old one? It's me. The old one? Let me see if I can find it really quick because I'm pretty sure they count down like three two one. Oh my god I thought it was Ooh Like that's how it started. Wait, why were you guys watching that? What? This was like two seasons before she got pregnant and

I the theme song was every fucking thing like you couldn't tell me shit. Okay. Here we go. I got it. I got it Are you ready? You stand in here. What the heck is going on? Do I look good today? Wait Oh my god. What year were you guys watching this? What? What do you mean?

Turn on your camera right now. No, I can't. You can't see me right now. You can't see me right now. Was there a three two one? Because I don't remember that. Oh, it's are you ready? I thought it was three two one and then she started singing. Okay. So yeah, no, I was wrong But no, I literally Isaac and I just finished all two seasons too. Like I watched it again Hi everyone and welcome to another episode of coffee convos podcast. Kale is obviously recording butt ass naked from her house. No, I you know what? I wish I was. Why can't I see you?

Because I I'm actually at the office and I look I look deranged so I can't I try to turn my camera on but it won't it says I can't while I'm recording Can you tell us what deranged looks like? Deranged like picture 2012 Kale rolling out of bed filming for Teen Mom. Like that's what I look like right now. Okay. Well, we love that for you but also hate that for you. Yeah, it's fine. So how was your weekend? Pure chaos. How was yours? I had a great weekend.

Yeah, I did. We I'm trying to think what I even did on this weekend. Well, I have a little story that I wanted to tell you guys because was it on this podcast that I talked about suburban dad farting into my linens? Like my couch. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Into your couch. Okay, so this weekend we were just like hanging out me, Jackson suburban dad and we had gone to the pool and just like did stuff around the house and whatnot and went on a walk. And there's a lot of construction going on in my neighborhood. So there was this black pipe. And so for whatever reason, suburban dad decided that he was going to put his ass up to it and fart in it to see if it would echo. Oh, good.

And he and Jackson thought that this was so great. I also had purchased a microphone for Jackson to be able to do his wraps on and right for bed suburban dad also farted into that mic. And so this was the first time I'd ever heard suburban dad fart ever. And I just think that it's like the weirdest thing. It's like the weirdest relationship barrier, I feel like. Okay. Okay. I still will Elijah farts in front of me all the time. But has that been going on for a long time? Since I met him. But how do you get to that point? That's the question.

I don't know. I think it's a I think men just get there before women. Did you ever get to it and any other relationships? Yeah. Yeah. You farted in front of somebody? Mm hmm. Who? Hobby? Yeah.

I knew it. And someone else that he shall, he shall, who shall not be named was my other five year relationship. Okay. Which have actually started like deep reflecting it into that. And I've come to the conclusion that I was in fact the side chick. I was the side chick and I was. Oh, wow. Yeah. I've been deep in thought and in therapy, you know, and yeah, that one, I for sure, I thought I was the main and then I found out about the side chicks later on. But you know what?

How do you determine like when someone is being unfaithful and there's a couple questions here. It's like, okay, how do you determine which one you are? Like if you are main or if you are side chick. And then the other question is when you are adults and like you don't have to be in a relationship. Like, why does someone do it? So how I determined it was in the beginning when I was told that though, you know, the other women were exes or whatever. He was spending time with me staying with me always together living in my town because that's where college was and things like that. And so I was like, no, I'm his girlfriend. Like that's that's what it was. And he would call me his girlfriend or like later on he called me his girlfriend. But then after college when he moved back home and he would disappear for days on end, he I realized where he was spending his time and like where he is now and like having a baby with her now.

It's like, oh no, she was always the main and I was the side and like it took me some time to get here. But like I wholeheartedly believe that now and I understand now I'm not hurt by it now like I was before. But as adults, I don't understand adults that now still have side chicks and things like that when you're literally not obligated to be in a relationship. You're not obligated to be in a relationship ever. So like why not make it abundantly clear and then like further into that, like if you do a deep dive. What do you do in a situation where there's two people who one has made it very, very clear that they don't want a relationship but they continue to do relationship things. Who does it fall on them? Do you leave the person behind that you know wants to be with you but you're not ready for?

Or does it fall on the person who is accepting that you don't want to be in a relationship but thinks they can change your mind and continues to do them even though they want more? I feel like it falls on both of those people, right? Like you have to get on the same page and I don't think it's healthy going into any type of like long term situation or really any situation at all. When you're both not operating off the same page because when you're not then it leaves someone at risk of disappointment, right? Like you make your intentions known and I think as adults you have to make your intentions known like hey, this is where I'm at. This is what I'm looking for. Where are you at and what are you looking for? And ultimately I think from the beginning if it does not mesh it's not going to work.

I just wonder like because at one point you know I've of course been in a situation where you know I wanted more and they didn't and I almost needed that person to leave me because I knew that I wasn't going to leave kind of thing. So that was just a question I have. Well, I hate anyone who has to be side chick or main chick in any situation. I think it should be like only chick, right? Agreed. Because both people lose regardless. Like even if you are the person that ends up with the man or woman, whatever situation, you're still kind of on the losing end a little bit because they still cheated. Oh, 100%.

You know? Yeah, you're both, yeah, 100%. You're both, you're both losers essentially. So yeah, so anyhow, moving on from that situation, I was all over the coffee combos Facebook fan page on the weekend and I just wanted to say that I think it's so hilarious. This also was going on on the Southern T Facebook fan page where people will see my stories and be like Lindsay is posting cryptic stuff on her stories of suburban dad and it's like I'm legitimately not being cryptic or at this point trying to soft launch anything. I think it's just still a new situation and like I'm just doing what feels comfortable at the time, you know? Right. Like in that moment.

I think you going slow and really taking it easy and kind of testing the waters on it, I think is good. And I'm just like when I see the threads and I'm reading, I'm like, oh my gosh, I'm not trying to bamboozle you guys. I am not trying to make you not know what's going on in my life. Like I feel like I've been very clear about what's going on, but you know, maybe just like not a front facing photo is like the moment right now. Right. No, I definitely think that's fair. Take your time. Don't don't rush.

Yeah, don't rush. Well, you you mess me up. You know why you mess because I rushed because you went out there. We soft launched basically really close in time together. And then you have gone full force and posting all kinds of stuff. And now everybody's like you need to be up to speed where it kills out. Well, I don't know. I don't head first.

I dove very much took the plunge because you wouldn't know why because the trolls ruined it for me. Which I did mention on another podcast the other day. I briefly mentioned like it's really unfair because they out the fuck out of me for every fucking thing every person I date every person I don't date that they swear I had sex with. And they really outed the fuck out of me and I am I'm a little bit bitter and so when they announced it before I could that hurt and but they'll never do that to Chris, you know what I mean. So, you know, Chris has a whole other baby mom that he lives with and they'll never put her out there because she didn't ask for it. Well, Elijah didn't ask for it either. I know that's what's so sad in these situations because it's like we in a sense signed up for what we deal with right like yes and no. It's like did we sign up and be like, Oh, I want to deal with all of this BS that's thrown my way every single day.

No, but also it does come with the territory a little bit. Other people other people don't sign up for this that's not fair. Right, like it's not fair for the other people that we involve in our lives. It's not fair at all. I didn't need to tell you though. In the coffee combos Facebook group, I saw a write up about Aunt Diane and a bunch of like we didn't know. No, 100%. I actually screenshotted it and I wanted to I wanted to go over the comment that was left that I'm absolutely disgusted by because saying I'm pissed off.

The documentary didn't cover it. I am to and I don't know like, I'm very pissed off. So okay, I hope she doesn't mind us saying her name because she put it in the group so I'm going to just go ahead and I'll just say her first name. A listener named Ashley wrote down or not wrote down. She commented that she went down an anti and rabbit rabbit hole and she finished listening to a podcast from 2019 called crime scene. There's something wrong with and Diane and she lists off some things that the documentary didn't touch. And one of them was Diane had a friend from work who she frequently met up with at the bar after work. Her drink of choice was always a screwdriver and she complained about her marriage a lot.

So what is a screwdriver exactly? So a screwdriver is how do you make a homemade screwdriver a vodka and orange juice pitcher and stir pour over ice. Okay, so then that makes sense for the next point. Number two, her next point is that there's footage from the McDonald's that's never shown on the documentary. She gets the kids their food, orders herself an extra large orange juice and lets the kids play in the play area. Then she's not seen anymore. So it's thought that she maybe went back to her car where the alcohol, the vodka bottle was and probably mixed that with the orange juice. Then the third point is her husband cheated on her in the past.

And then the fourth one she writes, this one bothers me the most. The day after the documentary came out, her husband sued the Hans family, which is the mother and father of the girls who were killed in the crash. For being liable for the crash because it was their van that Diane was driving. That's absolutely infuriating. He also tried to sue the state for not having big enough road signs for her to see. I thought that the van was the little girl's parents. I don't know. All I'm going to say is the thing about the screwdriver and the orange juice and all of that, I feel like that was a total miss. If this is factual information that should have been covered on the documentary.

I would love to know why it wasn't covered in the documentary. And it would totally make sense to me that she would have a friend that she would meet up at the bar, that this would be a drink of choice. It would totally make sense of how she could have gotten rid of that much vodka because I don't think any person is just going to be drinking the amount. 10 drinks, is that what it was like 10 drinks in her system without a mixer. So like that totally makes sense to me. That makes complete sense to me as well. And I would not be surprised about her husband cheating on her either. Just based off of his, I guess, like judging a book by the cover, right?

But it's like his aloofness, I guess, in the documentary. I just like didn't love him. Yeah, I have a bad taste of my mouth about him just because of how in denial he is. And I'm not necessarily, you know, saying that he is in grieving or anything like that. But, you know, saying that he's resentful because he never wanted kids. Now he has to raise his son and things like that. And then just suing the wrong people. I mean, I was under the impression that the van was the three nieces parents van.

That's what I thought. I thought the Hanses were the other like the nieces family. That's what I thought. Maybe I'm wrong. I'm Googling it because I was just confused. Like why would you sue your own. Okay. So Warren Hans is her brother.

So he sued her brother. Okay. I'm not trying to be a conspiracy theorist or anything like that. But what if it was like some type of like fraud deal, right? Like maybe they were in it together on that suit. And then like the auto insurance company would have like covered it. And then they would have both taken a payout. I don't know.

Maybe I'm a psychopath. Like, don't know. I don't know. The whole thing really pissed me off, but I screenshotted that because I was like, we have to touch on this on the podcast. And like, why didn't we know that in advance? Right. Like Ashley, you are the ultimate sleuth.

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I was just like scrolling through Instagram and it said, my mom said, stick with a guy that loves you, not the guy you love because the guy that loves you will go to the end of the earth for you, but the guy you love will only love you on his terms. She's always said a woman can grow to love someone, but a man either loves you from the start or he doesn't. That's 1000% facts and the person I loved was Chris and the person who loved me was Malik.

And I ended up with Elijah. So shout out to everyone who gave me PTSD. I am here and I'm thriving. We are not okay. Okay, wait on this topic though. Do you feel like that you can be in a successful relationship to where someone loves the other person much more than the other person loves them? Much more no.

So like how do you measure? Like I feel like this is like a big question. I don't know how you measure. You just, you just feel it like you just know. Do you feel like it comes in waves and if it comes in waves, is that true love or is that lust? No, I think that is true love because I think true love is when you ultimately choose to, to, to love this person through thick and thin and

you choose to, you know, go through life with this person. And so there is going to be waves of, you know, I'm in love with you versus I love you. And then you'll come back to being in love, things like that, where if it's not true love, you won't go through those waves of like being in love with them and then not because you're just not in love with them. Do you feel like love at first sight is real? No.

I don't know. Have you loved someone at first sight or thought you did? No. Don't be vague. Like answer the question. You little liar. I know the answer to this question. No, I did.

But who are you thinking of? Dominican boyfriend or jail or prison bay? I thought prison bay. No, I love, I still do. I say that all the time. I even told Elijah about him. Like I will always love prison bay. Like I will always love him.

You will have a special place in your heart. Always forever. Like if we ended, I would not be surprised. Like I obviously I'm in a committed relationship, but you know, in another, in another life, such shit starters. Do you feel, do you feel like he could be a soulmate? Like prison bay? Oh, absolutely.

Absolutely. Let's see. Do you believe in having more than one soulmate? No. Really? I don't. Do you? Yeah.

You do? Yeah, because think about it in like your real awake, awakened, your, your, your life on earth. You have so many like connections with people. And I think like a soulmate, you can have like your lover soulmate and then like your closest friends are like your soulmates too. Like they're going to always be with you in spirit too. I don't know that I necessarily believe life after earth.

I don't. So I'm thinking that there's one soulmate and in the situation that I'm in now, I keep saying situation and the relationship I'm in now, that's just like hard thing for me to like acknowledge. That's probably my soulmate. I don't know. I mean, I need to do like a full course on like soulmates and things like that. Cause I don't even know like where I got my idea.

I just like made all that up. Yeah. You made all of it up. Okay. Well, while we're on the topic of dating, I saw this tick talk. Once a guy is dating you for six months, really dating you for six months, he has a plan. You need to find out what the plan is.

Because a lot of these plans ain't got nothing to do with you. What do you think about it? I mean, I'm not a super Steve Harvey fan, but. Oh, I am. Are you? He does have a lot of good points. Like he does have a lot of good points. But do you feel like within the first six months of dating someone that a man has a

plan or he doesn't? Yes, I do believe. I wholeheartedly believe that. I wholeheartedly believe that as well. I'm like, if I will say though, I think it's relevant to age. I don't know that a man at 17, 18, 19 years old necessarily has a plan other than just dating and getting it in. You know, like I don't know that a life plan is really, because they don't even have their

life figured out. So how they're going to have something figured out for you. Right. A man in his mid thirties, I feel like at six months, you should like either know this is either progressing to something more. And I'm going to do what I have to do to get it there or it's not and like it's safe to end it. Right.

I just think there are so many men now that are, well, I think women women play games too. They're both they're both, I don't know, both sides of it playing games as far as like they'll stay with people who they don't, they're not actually in love with and they don't actually see a future with. But why do people do that because that is something that I don't understand. I think that they benefit in some way. Um, I mean, I know that in a previous situation, and I've said this before on a podcast, he literally said to my face that if he could be in a relationship with all three of us,

he would because he gets different things from all of us. Oh, wow. So like different fulfillment from each. Mm hmm. Okay. Well, isn't that like sister wives? Yeah. Pretty much.

Yeah. It's like, um, like I didn't agree to it. I didn't sign up for sister, yeah, I didn't sign up for that. But yeah, no, I think that that's part of it is like, well, and like we live in such a society of like instant satisfaction where we need, we're constantly looking for the next best thing. So it's like, okay, this person only fills me up 70%. So I need to go find someone that's going to fill me up a little bit more, um, and I'm

going to stay with the person that fills me up a little bit to the 70%, but then I need a little bit more and then I need a little bit more. You get what I'm saying? And so like it ultimately nobody not, I mean, very rarely you're going to find someone that's going to fill you up 100%. I agree. I think the 70% if they're filling you up 70% and you need a little bit more, I'm hoping that that 70% that they're filling you up are all of the things that are like your deal

breaker thing. So like they would need to fill my cup on all of like the big list ticket item things that I need out of a man, right? And then if I'm not being fulfilled, the other, you know, 40%, I guess then I need to do some self-searching and be like, okay, you know, am I really looking for another person to fill those parts of me or do I need to fill those parts for myself? Oh, I think a part of it is like so many of our, so many people that we would be interested in also come from broken homes.

And so we have a hard time knowing when to fight for something, when to try to make it work versus leaving. I think there's that issue. I literally texted Kristin last night for no reason. And I just wanted to know, I said, you know, what makes you want to stay with your husband when things are hard? And you know, she sent me back, you know, what, how she feels. And I think that's always been really hard for me.

It's like, I came from a broken home. I never really had a good example of it. And so then it's like, how do I know what is worth fighting through and what is not? Well, I think ultimately when you set patterns, you know, from, from the past and other relationships that you are carrying into a new one to, I think you've got to be very mindful of that. And if you are a habitual lever, you know, and not a, I'm not going to fix the problem. I'm just going to leave the problem. Oh, why are you, why are you talking shit about me?

I'm right here. I'm a habitual lever. You were a habitual lever. I think that that is the easier route to take, right? Like it's a lot harder to do the work and I said this about my marriage that, you know, I think that if we were willing and we're able to have put in the work, the marriage probably could have lasted, but sometimes I think you get to a point where it's like, you're so tired and exhausted that you just feel like the only option is a fresh start.

And for a lot of people, there might be too much water under the bridge that it's like, you know, you can't repair that. I think that was our situation, right? But it is so much easier to just dip out than to actually do the hard work. And I think that that's a lot of times when relationships get hard, I think that's where people start looking for fulfillment somewhere else. And that's where side chicks, uh, cheating, that kind of thing starts happening. Well, I think to your point though, when you're wanting to work through the things, you have

to have two active participants. Yes, both people have to be willing to work. You can't work on your own. And so that's where it gets tricky because I've definitely been in situations where I was trying and I was willing, but it wasn't, it was like very much the other person never saw what was wrong with their actions, you know, or they didn't, or maybe they acknowledged it and, you know, for a time, but then their actions showed different than what they were actually verbally, verbally acknowledging.

Well, and I think too, when you have someone who is so eager and willing to do the work, but then you have a person that's like half-ass just pretending like they're doing the work to stay in the situation, that's where things get toxic and messy. Yeah, I agree with that. I think I'm interjecting an opinion here. I think too that people go into relationships looking, thinking that a relationship is what's going to make them happy and make them fulfilled instead of figuring out what makes them happy and fulfilled outside of a relationship before getting into one.

So it's like you're putting expectations on a relationship that they can't fulfill long term anyway. Right. That's a good point. It's something that like I noticed and I think it goes along with instant gratification, right? I think people just think that whole like societal picture of like, I need to find my person, settle down, buy a house, have kids, like that whole like...

The pressure of a timeline. Yeah, pressure of a timeline, the perfect picture, what they think they should be doing. And it's like nobody ever takes the time really to sit back and think like, what is it that's actually going to make me happy for me to show up to the table happy already instead of expecting this person to do it for me because you can't, you literally can't. Well, the person that you're going to be with should only be a bonus to your life, not a requirement in your life. And I think that a lot of times people get wrapped up in the fact that like they need

and have to be with that person instead of want to be with that person. Agreed. I agree. I definitely agree with that. They always say like, like especially for, you know, women, like you should never need a man. Don't put yourself in a position to need a man. You should want a significant other, doesn't have to be a man.

You should want a significant other. You don't need that person to like survive or provide for you. I know for me, and Kale, you probably feel a little bit this way as well, that I have my own home, have my own things, have my own life. And sometimes I feel like when you do have that, it makes it a little bit harder to mesh someone else into your life because you know that that relationship is only for the reason of like being in a relationship with that person because you provide each other some form of happiness outside of necessity, if that makes sense.

Right, right, right. No, that makes sense. And when Will and I got married, there was more of a need there, I feel like, from both people's parts, versus just like a want to be there, right? I was telling Kale this the other day, I recently had a party at my house and we were all sitting in my living room and all of the women, we were all sitting there and it was funny because we all started talking and we realized like, we all make more money than all of our men. The breadwinners.

And we were like, first of all, how cool is that because it's like not typically the case. So it's very cool that we're all sitting in a room and that's how it all is. And we literally looked around and we were like, I hope you all know, like y'all know, we don't need you because we got this, we want you. We don't know why we want you, but we do. Like we pick you for now, but like it was such an interesting feeling. To realize like you're, I'm surrounded by people who are choosing most of the time are choosing their significant other.

That's such a good place to be in such a good feeling though, like there's power in that feeling to know that you can be in a relationship where you are picking each other and you don't need each other. Yeah. I think it takes some of the pressure off. For sure. I mean, I think that there's like an added pressure. In some senses, because it's like you are both very aware that you don't need each other.

So then there's the, the added element of like, I'm choosing you. So I have to put up with less shit, you know, instead of like, I have to be with you. So I have to put up with this shit. I would agree. And I think too, it also, again, society, I think it makes more men insecure when a woman looks at them and says, I don't need you. And it's not meant to be mean. We just literally don't need you.

I literally don't need a man. Like I literally would, I choose to be with someone. I so much prefer to be by myself. Like I prefer my space. I'm still like, I very much love being alone. So like when Elijah's at work and stuff, like I very much love that. And no, that's a choice. Like I'm choosing it.

Well, I'm just going to let you guys know on a happy note, since we are just on a women's empowerment movement on this podcast. I love suburban dad. So yeah. So there we are. All right. We love Stitch Fix and we're here to rave about them again. Shopping for new clothes is two time consuming.

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I need to talk to you about girl in picture because you put me on this and then I got so invested last week that I neglected other things while I was doing this and I took so many notes because I was like, listen, everybody needs to know all of the details about what happened here. I felt like there was so many twists and turns to this documentary and further kill. I need to know how you get onto these things before I know about them. I don't know. Probably.

Well, so, you know, my internet at home is spotty, although an update on that, I am getting internet this week for some reason in my room. On my TV, the only thing that works is Netflix, like Hulu doesn't work in my room, HBO Max doesn't work in my room, so I would have to watch those in the living room. I don't know why. There's no rhyme or reason that I know of. And so a lot of times on the weeks that I don't have my kids this summer, I'm only watching Netflix in my room.

And so I find, well, the anti-ant thing I found on TikTok, so that was separate and I watched it in the living room, but the girl in the picture, I saw, well, some people recommended it and also it was the first thing that popped up on Netflix, but there's a new one called, I think it's called The Vanishing. I saw this last night when I logged on to Netflix. You're putting me on these documentaries because I will spend such a long amount of time getting invested in these to the point that acts like I'm writing a thesis for grad school. That's how many notes I take because I'm so invested.

Okay. If anyone has not watched Girl in the Picture on Netflix, you should watch it and if you are native to Atlanta, you should definitely watch it. I'll watch it. I already did. You're going to watch it again. For those of you who have not watched it in this documentary, a woman was found dying by a road, leaves behind a sun, a man claiming to be her husband, and then this mystery completely

unfolds throughout the documentary like a nightmare. So yeah, this happened in, I believe it was April of 1990. Two guys were driving down the road. They see some kind of debris off to the side. There's a body, blonde-haired woman. They call 911 and she's taken to the hospital and her husband, Clarence, shows up. On April 5th, 1990, Clarence calls Tonya's best friend, says that she had been involved in a hit and run in Oklahoma City and after visiting Tonya at the hospital and speaking

with the nurses after her best friend visited, it was very clear to her at that time there was foul play and she had had scratches across her chest. She was 20 years old at the time of her death and her name was actually not Tonya Hughes. I thought she was, was she 20? Yeah, she was 20 years old. Yeah, I had 20 and I thought it was also crazy that Clarence told the best friend that she couldn't go to the hospital to see her in the ICU. Yeah, because he was trying to control the entire thing.

She had been a stripper in Tulsa and had a young son named Michael. The man that was claiming to be her husband was much older and said to just be like this weird guy and as the doctors were examining her, they see old bruises, old injuries. So at that point, clearly, they knew something was very wrong with the picture and in Tulsa, Oklahoma, 1989, she worked at this place called Passions and her best friend that worked there with her said that she would have bruises like all down her backside and Tonya would just say that she slipped and fell. But like in addition to being a stripper, which was forced on her by her father slash

husband, he also forced her to sell sex and provided her with condoms, which is so alarming. But I will tell you, I did not pick. Did you all immediately pick up that the husband was the father? Yes, I immediately knew I didn't. I kind of knew the whole time that he wasn't the father or the husband. Like I knew that he had kidnapped her. So you didn't think that he was biologically like her father? No, I never thought that he was her father at all.

So there's her son, Michael, could not go anywhere with Tonya alone. And to me, that was like a huge red flag because I knew that he was probably playing, Clarence was probably playing the having the little boy in his possession against her. And that's why he knew that if he kept him under lock and key, it would control her. I was just really sad because Michael, I thought maybe he could have been the biological dad. But if you know, Michael is the son, I meant, sorry, I meant Clarence was a biological dad of Michael. Oh, okay.

Like I did think that like maybe he did rape her and got her pregnant or whatever. So it was really sad because allegedly the dad provided the dad, I hate calling him the dad because he's not the fucking dad. Clarence had provided her with condoms and things like that, but she still ended up getting pregnant and she didn't get pregnant not once, not twice, but three times. I thought it was so weird too that like he had taken out a life insurance policy on her. And it's just like, to me, that says that everything was very premeditated. Did you all feel like that?

Yeah, definitely. Cause I was like, oh, you're suspect. Yeah. Right. Department of social services or DHS took Michael from Clarence and put him in a foster home and it was said that Michael would crawl under a piano bench and say that mean man. I don't know what type of stuff was going on, but that's literally terrifying. They were able to do a paternity test and found out that there was no biological link,

which resulted in being able to terminate Clarence's parental rights. And September 12th, 1994, a man had been tied to a tree handcuffed and duct taped. How freaking weird was that? I thought that was really strange. So prior to that was him raping Tanya in front of her friend at gunpoint, which is just, I truly did not know that this was going to take the turn that it did. Like I did not put, I don't know why I couldn't connect all the dots. It was just like so much going on for me with all of the different names and aliases that

were used, them living in different states. This was like a legitimate, Clarence was a legitimate menace, right? So I was actually confused about the rape that occurred in front of the friend, only for the fact of like knowing his past that he had been, you know, gone to jail for, can happen rape and all that stuff before, why he didn't rape both of them. Maybe he thought that she would tell, but she didn't for a long time. She didn't, but then he raped that, didn't they say that he ended up raping the other girl that he ended up murdering?

What was so weird was he had been in a halfway house where he, from abducting a girl, he robbed a bank, assaulted a woman, had been declared a federal fugitive for a long time. He had done acts against other women prior. So I also was very confused as to why he only raped Tanya and not her friend. That to me didn't make sense unless he had an extreme infatuation with Tanya and like it was just her. Well, and then he also made her cover her face. So, you know, obviously not downplaying, I'm not downplaying rape by any means, but you

would think that like if you're raping someone and someone else is in the room, maybe you have like an exhibition type fantasy of like someone watching you, but he told her to put a pillow over her face. So I'm just like, why did you even do that in front of her to begin with? It was, I, that part, I don't know why it just really stuck out to me. And I was very confused. What was so sad to me was the fact that this girl was so smart and I mean, not that this should be happening to anybody regardless of mental capacity, but like she was beautiful,

super smart, had gotten a full scholarship at Georgia Tech and then got pregnant and couldn't go like her life was completely turned upside down. But she this, it's just so sad that she died not even knowing who the hell she was, because I don't remember shit when I was four. She didn't know her real name or her real family or anything. So the background of that was that her birth parents, Suzanne Marie Savakis, is that how you say her name, her last name, and Clifford, what that, that was her name. That was, that was Tonya's name, right, Suzanne Marie Savakis, and her parents' names were

Sandra Francis Brandenburg and Clifford Ray. I hate the mom. I hate the mom. I hate the mom too. I hate both of them. I hate the mom and the dad because you can't tell me that none of them, that neither of them had family members that were like, like the dad just decided like, yeah, I'm in the military, like I can't, you know, go on.

He seemed very well off in the video, in the documentary. He really pissed me off because he claimed, oh, this was a hard decision, but completely stone-faced, absolutely no emotion, and the mom just couldn't give two fucks. I hate them both. The mom, I was so upset about the mom because she put these three girls in a position to where they had no choice but to really like go into survival mode, in my opinion. Children of social services said that they wanted to adopt all the girls to one family, but then she got her kids, wrote a bad check, got 30 days in jail, and at that point, that's

when Clarence took Tanya. So also for that situation, when he dropped two off, I forget where he dropped them off at, but then kept Tanya or Suzanne or whatever name we're going to go with, do we think he picked her because she was the youngest? Or that's why I'm saying, I think that it was like an infatuation specifically with her because he's chosen her multiple times through this story over having, he could have taken all the girls, right? That probably would have been more risky being a federal fugitive and having more to contain,

I guess, but then also in the situation of where he raped her and not her friend, like he's chosen her multiple different times. So I don't know what the deal was with her specifically. Yeah. That was, it was definitely odd. It was really sad. Kale, I agree with your thoughts on the parents. I hate them both.

I literally cannot stand either one of them. I couldn't believe like how, I don't even know what's happening. They weren't so nonchalant about it and especially the mom was just like, as a parent, I do not give a fuck. I will go to the ends of the fucking earth for my children. I do not care. I would fight for them. I would look for them.

I would have, I would literally go broke trying to find my children. She did not care. No, no. And then speaking of that, didn't they say that they actually reached out to a grandmother who also didn't give a fuck? Yes. Yep. So I was wondering if that was like the mom's mom or the dad's mom because I think it was

them. I believe it was the mom's mom. I just, I couldn't believe it and then it also got me thinking and actually text and kill this. I was like, how many people has this happened to? Like maybe not the exact scenario, but how many people have been kidnapped at a really young age that have never been found and have no fucking clue? Idea who they are.

Yep. Yeah. How strange is that? Like I was talking to suburban dad about this and I was like, how easy is it to change identity like this and to be able to get away with it because they had gotten married in New Orleans under Clarence, Marcus Hughes and Tanya Dawn Tadlock. How easy is it to have like all of these aliases and to be able to provide documentation? Like for example, I have to go to social security office today because of my last name restoration.

I couldn't imagine like going into a federal building and providing false documentation or like, how did they get that? You know what I mean? I mean, I definitely think it was probably easier back then because there probably wasn't as much. Like I know, I know someone right now, I don't want to put her name out there, but she was born at home and that still doesn't have as an adult with her own children, doesn't have a birth certificate or social security card.

Wait, right now? Yeah. And she was born at home in the United States and she's still they're like, there's no record of her birth. Oh my God. So it's which I'm like, I don't know if it's just easier back then. Also I think counterfeit like who's to say that they even went to a government building to provide false, false documents, they could have just had someone make the documents.

I know that it was said, I believe it was said that he went to like one or two specific places to keep doing his identity changes because that's how they ended up setting him up to get caught. They like staked out those places hoping he would go back to like do it again to change the identity when he was running with Michael and that's how they found him. So I wonder what the process is like, that's what I was wondering like I like for, for example, like Kylie Jenner changing her son's name, obviously when he was born, she named him, you know, Wolf Webster or whatever she named him.

So now for the name change, do you up like go to the courthouse file a name like a petition to change the name because that's how it works for the last name. But in order to change like your first name and your last name, like, could I just go to the courthouse and be like, I want to change my full name. Yes, you can actually like anybody can change their name to any fucking thing. It's actually wild when you think about it feels like I'm actually doing that tomorrow. I'm like, I'm going to go off the grid and see who really cares about me enough to come find me. Oh my God.

So the social security number that was given was Franklin Floyd. He was an idiot for that. He was he was dead, right? No, his name actually was at one point that was one of his false identities was Franklin Floyd. Yeah, but was didn't he assume the identity of someone that was dead? I think they did. They took off tombstones in like Alabama.

Yeah, it was in Alabama, but he went by Franklin Floyd, Clarence Hughes, Trenton Davis, Warren Marshall, Brandon Cleo Williams. I think Warren Marshall might have been his birth name. But like, how do you get away with having all of those names? I don't know. He was moving around so much. So he kept starting over. So Tanya had other names that she went by as well, and one year before her death, they

had changed their names. And those were the names that they used that were taken off of tombstones in Alabama. Could you just imagine just like going to what do they call it like a place like a cemetery cemetery cemetery and just picking a name. Wait, speaking of that. There's so many fucking cemeteries in Delaware. And I don't know if it's like this in Georgia, Lindsay, but like on the way to my house, there's a cemetery every probably mile or so.

And some of them are really, really old. And I, every time we pass when I'm like, I don't you fucking dare bear me, bury me in one of those. I tell my kids all the time, like, don't fucking do it. And then Lincoln asked me the other day, he said, So like, if I bury you in the backyard, will I go to jail? And I was like, yes, yeah, when I die, like, when I say I don't want to go to a cemetery, that doesn't mean that I want to be buried anywhere else.

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what I thought was like maybe he justified these crimes is like not crimes, does that make sense? So he was just like a menace. When they were talking, when he was, they were playing him talking about his childhood and stuff. I felt like such an asshole. And I feel like this very frequently, honestly, when it comes to people who commit crimes like these saying I don't feel bad.

I don't fucking feel bad for you like and that could be a me issue, but like I just don't feel bad for you that you went through that and then turned around and did this. I'm more focused on what you did to others, not so much what happened to you. Like I understand how that forms a person's brain and like their behaviors and their patterns and what they're more likely to do and not likely to do. Like I understand the psychology behind it, but like I do not fucking feel bad for them. I hope that I don't get like canceled for this, but I sometimes do feel bad. I knew Kale was going to say that and it's no, I think that's normal.

I think it's literally 50 50 that people either feel bad or they don't. I think it's canceled. I'm getting canceled. It's fine. I think it's easy to feel bad or to not feel bad, right? Like you, you're either one or the other. I feel like I'm kind of like in the middle though, like I hear someone's background and I'm like, okay, that explains their ability to be a menace in the way that they are, right?

But it doesn't justify it. Right, right, right, right. That's how I think that's where you're going with it. Like you're not justifying the behavior, right? It's you're coming from a place of understanding from this person's background of like how this person turned out to be the way that they are because of their childhood history. Like the first person that comes to mind for me is Ed Kemper knew you were going to say that as well.

I just like, and I think what he did, you know, what he did to people was so wrong. And I don't think that he should be anywhere else besides prison. But at the same time, I am fully, fully empathetic and I, and I understand how he turned out that way based on his childhood. Obviously, I'm more upset for the victims, you know, that everyone that he did something to, but I do have empathy towards him and what he went through as a child. Because I just picture like my small children, like imagine them, you know, seeing some of the things that these killers and these, you know, murderers, rapists, all of them have

been through. Imagine your own child like going through that and then, you know, you get what I'm saying, like maybe that comes from being a mom. Like because I literally going to say that I can logically understand what they went through. Like the logical part of my brain can, but my feelings can't get there. And like, I'm a very sympathetic, sympathetic, empathetic person to like normal everyday people and like animals and things like that. I just can't get there with people who commit horrific crimes.

But like, I wonder if that is a mom thing, because you're looking at it from the perspective of like, you just have a different viewpoint on children, I think, like at that point, once you become a parent, you look at those things probably affect you more. Like I say that all the time, literally, I say it all the time. I have friends that are parents that like, they say all the time, like, you know, we couldn't, we can't watch certain stuff anymore, because it literally turns our stomach to the point of us being sick. And I'm like, I could watch like 28 people get murdered on like a true crime documentary

and not care, but like you heard an animal and I'm sobbing. So I don't know, it's like a very, I think it might have to do with like once you have kids that viewpoint might change. I think when you become a mom, that you view everyone as someone's child, you know, like that's just someone's kid. And so I think the mindset changes a little bit. I think also just obviously my childhood is nowhere near as tragic or traumatic as like Ed Kemper's, but I also have like understanding from that perspective as well as like, you

know, there was times where I had to walk to my aunt and uncles to see if they had food to feed me. And like I watched my babysitters do coke in front of my face, like I have been sexually assaulted, things like that. And so like I, from that standpoint, like as a child, you know what I mean, and I didn't have anyone to help me. And so like I also understand from that perspective, like my inner child versus my own children. I did want to say too, after his arrest, it talked about how he would like ramble and

go off on tangents and federal court at Michael's kidnapping trial. I think that again, we talk about this pretty regularly when we cover true crime that the system is not set up to handle people and provide them proper care for mental issues. And I think that there is definitely a stunting just based off of what I saw. I feel like his brain could have possibly been stunted from his experience at the Baptist home, not that that excuses any of the behaviors. I'm not trying to say that, but I do think that there's a lot of mental things that are going on in there.

He was sentenced to 52 years in prison, no parole for the kidnapping of Michael Hughes. And then when they finally did locate the truck, they found underneath pornographic pictures of young girls. I think it said 97 cropped photos and a homicide of a girl from one of the photos they found identified someone who worked as an exotic dancer at one of the same places that Tonya worked. And at that point, he was charged with first degree murder and face lethal injection. I did just want to say that the pornographic pictures of young girls, I do believe that

the right term to use for him was a pedophile. And I know there's lots of statistics that when you are molested as a young child at the time, I think you talked about this before, that the possibility of reoccurrence in your behaviors can have an impact on that. And so I just wonder if that's where he was justifying these behaviors. To me, it seemed like he didn't feel like what he was doing was wrong. So I guess that's where my a little bit of confusion comes in with that whole situation because I've heard the same statistic.

And I guess when people are molested or sexually assaulted or anything like that happens to them when they're younger, do they not understand as they get older that that behavior was wrong? So like that's where I'm not. I think some of them do understand that it's wrong, but it's just it's like a cycle. It's like, I hope that I'm not mistaking here, but I think it's very much like when you are in an abusive relationship and it's a cycle and you can't get out of it, I believe it's similar to that, like the psychology of it. I know somebody who was molested by their cousin, and then he turned around and molested

his sister, even though he knew it was wrong. Okay, I was going to say, because that's the part I never understand is like if they maybe they don't know what's wrong and that's why they do it to others, but if they do know what's wrong and still do it to someone else, that's the part I can't, I don't understand the psychology behind that one. I think there's there for some people, not for everybody, but I mean, what's common, what's a common theme that I've noticed like within like serial killers is like a control thing.

Okay, so it's not necessarily meant to always be like sexual, it's a form of getting control. Probably both sexual and also having control. Okay. Okay. Because that that part really got me. I was like, how do we go from point A to B? The person that I know that this that we're describing here, I believe he was, what's, I don't want to say like redeemed, like rehabilitated.

That's yeah. Rehabilitated. Okay. Like he went and he actually got like real help and things like that and so he is, he's okay now. Oh, good. He has not done anything. I'm not, I mean, I'm not saying it's okay.

I'm just saying like. To your knowledge. He hasn't done anything. No. And he keeps. Yeah. He's kept like a really good job and things like that. And I don't know like what his like requirements were when he got out of the place, but I know

that he lives a very quote, normal life now. Okay. I mean, I fully believe in people being able to be rehabilitated for a lot of things. I just didn't know like that's the, I've always been confused about that whole statistic of how like it happened to you and then you do it back. We should get an expert on this because it's come up a couple of times. So I would love to get an expert on this topic for those of you who have not watched girl in the picture on Netflix, highly recommended watch.

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That's bodyguards with a Z at the end.com slash coffee to start protecting your valuable phone today. Outside of that, Kale, um, I need to play this tick talk. This is on a completely unrelated note. I think what girls don't understand about guy shitting is that they always, because that was the question is like, why do guys poop so long? I think the reason is because I don't know if girls feel the same way, but there are just times where I'm shitting where I'm like, I know I have more in me.

It's just going to take a little bit for it to come out. Everybody probably had said, no, I don't know how girls get around that. Girls are pretty cool though, because I feel like they just like their, their ass spreads open enough where it just pops out and like, they probably don't even need a white, what I first of all, men, I feel like sometimes they don't even actually have to shit. And so they're like, oh, we're going to go take a shit. And then they sit in there for 45 minutes and scrolling on their phone and then they just hope that they shit.

And then other times they actually have bubble guts, but like Lincoln sits in the bathroom for 45 minutes and shits and scrolls on his phone before he showers every single night. Every single night. Every single night. And I'm like, Lincoln, sometimes I tell him, like, if we have to get up early in the morning and we got home late or something, I'm like, Lincoln, don't be shitting for 45 minutes. Like don't. Oh, no.

I tell Jackson all the time, I'm like, you need to hurry, shit, shower and get out. Yeah. Like no one has time for a 45 minute shit, but I am convinced like, I am not the type of person that goes to the bathroom and takes my phone in there to take a shit. Are you a, are you a phone watcher while you're shitting? I'm such a quick shitter, like I'll have it with me probably, but I am such like I'll shit in three minutes. It doesn't matter.

It's an emergency. Quick shit. Yeah. I have taken conference calls from the bathroom before. Wait, while shitting? If I don't have a choice, you, you got to do what you got to do. Like if you're in the middle of a call and all of a sudden your stomach is like, we have to go now and the person on the phone is like not feeling that way that you need to get

off the phone now. You got to do what you got to do and you put that shit on mute until you have to talk and then you hurry up, you talk and you put it back on mute. It was like the day I podcasted from the bathroom. I've done it with literally probably, I've definitely done it with Kale. I've definitely done it with you, Lindsay. Like it's happened. Wait, you've been shitting while we've been talking?

Yeah. And you had no idea. Like it happens. You just have to do it sometimes. Like I will full on ask Kale, I've taken meetings on the toilet. Like I've had my notebook with my pen and then my phone and I'm just. The amount of germs that are going on during that moment literally sends my brain into another.

That's why you sanitize. I'm like, you know, oh my God, no, listen to you nasty fucks. Like you are going into the bathroom. You are taking your phone, you are scrolling, you are touching your bowl and then touching your phone again and then putting it up to your face like, oh my God. Okay, but have you not heard of a screen cleaner? Yeah, but how often are you like, I can tell you right now the amount of times that you take your phone into the bathroom, you do not clean your screen every time you come

out of the bathroom. Like, and if you tell me that you do, I don't touch my phone every time I go to the bathroom. Okay. But the times that you do, Kale, you are not cleaning that screen every time if you want to sit on here and try to fake like you do, I'm going to call you a liar right now. You want to know another funny thing since you guys have all been married before and are currently in relationships? What?

Isn't it so fun when you're like, hey babe, I need you to turn the stove on to whatever. Oh, I got a poop. Or well, babe, I need you to run to the store for me and did it, oh no, I got a poop. It's like the built in excuse like doesn't have to shit until I need you to do something, be somewhere, go somewhere, whatever. That's immediately what happens. It's always like, no, sorry, got to go right now. And I'm like, you can't hold it.

Like what do you mean? I can't explain because that's, that's me. Like my kids will be like, mom, can you make me a peanut butter and jelly and I'm like, hold on, I have to go poop or like, mom, can you help me with something and I'm like, I hold on, I have to go take a shit. And you really don't? No, I do. No, I'm talking about like when Corey will hide in the bathroom for 47 minutes and 52

seconds. Oh hell no. Hell fucking no. And the literally thinks he's getting out of whatever I asked him to do and I will wait outside of that bathroom door for all 47 minutes and 52 seconds till he walks out thinking task is done. And I'm like, okay, you're good to go now. Do you know, wait, speaking of that, Lincoln is such a little shit because you know how

we talked about weaponized incompetence. So he, Elijah asked him to fold something and Lincoln was like, I don't know how. And Elijah like walked him through it, but Elijah did not do it for him. He just walked him like was speaking how to do it in front of him. And I said, and Elijah goes, oh, now you'll know how to do it for next time. I said, yeah, until he says he forgets how to do it. And Lincoln looks at me and goes, and sometimes I do it on purpose, weaponized incompetence. Oh yeah.

Oh yeah. But Elijah did that right because like most of the time, like, I remember being a kid and I'd be like, yeah, I don't know how to do that. And like just make you do it for me kind of situation. And that carries over for the rest of your life. And I swear, like we grow out of it, men do not. So like Corey does that shit all the time. Wait, I have to tell you, I think it might be the type of men that we're with for Kale

and I, because I was just sitting here thinking while you were telling that whole story, I'm like, okay, I can remember a couple of situations to where, sorry, someone keeps calling me and I'm like, goodbye. Are you guys there? We're here. Okay. I'm like, okay, why are you calling me? So I think it's just the type of men that we're with because a few times I can think

of that suburban dad has done this, that like it wouldn't be something that I would think to tell Jackson to do because like I just do it. Like he's taken a shower before and he's like, hey, Jackson, where did your clothes go after you shower? And Jackson will just like pick them up, put them in the laundry room. But like that's something that I never, I just like pick them up. I've noticed not that it's mama's boys, but like those who had moms that did everything for them do it way more, way more.

And it makes me want to throttle people. Just like, punt them. Yeah. I want to. Yeah. I want to throttle them. Let's just name. Seriously name.

We love this. Wait, did y'all see, you know, we love a good Kardashian moment on here and, you know, I don't care if you guys don't want to hear it, but did y'all see, because this is like all the talk on TikTok. I feel like people are going nuts over this clip, myself included, because you probably grew up in a household where you were not allowed to share a bed with someone unless you're married to them. Her asking her boyfriend to shower with her in front of her whole family is so hard to

conceptualize and beyond me. What? Did you see that? No. Footage. So Kim, it was like all in a preview for something and Kim, was it at the Met? Yeah. It was.

Something. Hey babe. And Pete was like, yeah. And she's like, do you want to come shower with me really quick? And he like literally dropped everything and ran after her and people were horrified that like she said it in front of her whole family. And I'm like, first of all, she's a grown ass woman. That's number one.

But number two, I definitely in my head was like, I would never say that like in front of my family either because like I was like growing up. You couldn't even, I couldn't even have a boy in my room. Yeah. Like I would never like to this day if I went to my parents house and you know, I was, you know, taken to room and dad with me. I had Jackson with me even if, even if we didn't have Jackson with us, I still would not even sleep with him in the same room of my parents home.

So to see that makeup and to know that that was going on in front of the entire family and it was just like so normalized, I don't think it's wrong. It's just not how I was raised and I could never imagine being like, hey babe, like let's go take a shower really quick. Like my parents would kill me. They would beat your ass. But Kale, you said like you, it wouldn't be weird if you did it. No.

Did your mom ever give a shit about having boys in your room or anything? No. Okay. Um, I remember the first time my, the, my ex-boyfriend from high school and I had sex, the one that recently passed away. My door was cracked open and my mom walked by. Wait, while you were banging it out? Yeah.

The first time me and him ever had sex and she just acted like she had no idea and she just kept walking. Oh, that would have played out. That would have been very different in my house. I was 14. Oh my God. Oh my God. Yeah.

That would have played out extremely differently. You wouldn't even be hearing from me right now because I'd be six feet under. First of all, the first question Todd Chrisley would have asked would have been like, where's your drawers? Like, oh my God, that's so interesting and I, you know what's funny? I literally, when you put this on the dock, Lindsay, I was like, Lindsay's family definitely would have killed her and Kale's going to say, no way in hell did her mom give a shit. Yeah.

Like if I went home right now and Elijah was there, like Nat and Kaden, they're my family. So I don't, like they're my family. And if we were all there and my kids were there, my kids don't really, they probably wouldn't pay attention, but I'd be like, all right, you want to go, well actually it would be Elijah because that's Elijah's thing is to shower together. If he asked me like, are you coming in the shower? Like nobody would think twice. Wait.

Like in front of your kid, like your kids are there, y'all are having this conversation and nobody would bat an eye. My kids probably wouldn't, they wouldn't be in the room, probably not, but I also don't think they would care. I mean, I don't want to get canceled, but like, no, I don't, I don't think my kids would care. I don't think he would ask in front of my kids, but no, I don't think they would care also.

You guys, I'm so sorry about what the fuck is going on, like obviously it's an emergency that everybody needs me right now. Okay. I'm so sorry. Don't apologize. Lindsay's in a spaceship. That's about to take off. Literally.

I'm like phone calls, facetimes, emails. Would you guys like to talk about cloning his cone? What does that mean? Wait, you have to, you have to send it to, I sent it to the coffee convo's group, but I don't think she saw it. Did she not see it? Heal is that person. I sent it.

This is your side. It's not worth it. To clone his cone. I'm not going to do it, girl. I was just thinking about it. I'm not going to do it. I did it. What?

It's like a dick molding kit, but it's, I think called cloning his cone. It's literally a dick mold. Have you not seen this? No, I've never seen this. Like would, would you, would you guys clone your man's cone? Absolutely. I would. Maybe we could do that for a present.

I have to tell you, I've talked about this before in my marriage, I'm not going to even lie. Okay. I apologize. We'll wait, but why is the, why is the, why is the color of it like white people? Like not everyone is with white people. Maybe that's why she, well, maybe they come in different colors. Yeah.

Like I don't know. Maybe her preference was. We need an all inclusive number one. Even on the can, it's white, a white dick. Like not everyone has that. Truth. We needed it. We, we could find an inclusive company to work with, but I just need, Lindsay, you go

talking about cloning will stick. Let's go. You did that. No. No, I said it was a topic of conversation. Like back whenever we were in love that I was like afraid. My biggest fear is losing my spouse or significant other. It's my biggest life fear.

And he used to tell me that he was going to get his dick molded for me. So in case he passed away, that like I would be able to have sex with him for the rest of my life. Yes. I also had these conversations and kill in your marriage or like, was this in your marriage? Was this only with the big ones? I'm not going to name names.

You're going there. We are. You're going to hell. Anyway, anyway, um, outside of the size of that, um, I just want to say that I've had conversations about this before, um, I absolutely would do this. I mean, I for sure would. I mean, I mean, other sex toys out there, but like, I just want to know the pro, I want to do it for the process of it, but I was thinking we could use the clone, a weenie

or whatever the clone, we can use that for a plot prank and prank someone's man and say, we're calling from like the clone, a ween company. Yeah. That'd be so good. I think that would be so funny. Can we just do that? Yeah. Yeah.

We want to do it to someone we know or find like a listener's like significant other. I would have so wanted to do it to Harvey, but now he's going to hear it cause he listens to coffee commas every week. Yeah, he does. Fuck. Okay. So it can't be clone. Harvey cannot be our clone of Dick victim.

Can we do it to Elijah? Oh yeah. Absolutely. Is he going to be funny? I don't know. He's very hit or miss. Like sometimes he is, please do it right now. We can do it to Will.

No. Please do it right now. You mean to do it to Will? No, we're going to do it to Harvey right now, but I thought you were saying do it right now to like Harvey. Yeah. Do it to Harvey right now. No.

Call Elijah right now. Am I calling him or who's calling him? No, because he knows my voice. Lindsay, does he know? Does he know Lindsay's? No. Okay. Lindsay, you're calling.

What am I saying? You're going to say this? I don't have a script. Hold on. I'm going to text you. Something really fast. Hold on. I'm going to send it.

Okay. Hi, I'm calling from Clona Cone. No, Clona Dick. Call it Clona Dick. Clona Dick. Because he's not going to understand. Okay. Clona Dick.

Clona. Your girlfriend. No. Say your wife. Okay. We're going to help. This is from Clona, a dick. We are trying to reach you.

For your mold. For your mold. They say, what color would you like the toy for your wife? What color would you like the mold to be for your wife? Please, if he doesn't answer, please leave a voicemail. Please contact us at your earliest convenience. Can't see it. Wait, I'm literally going to say, if they answer, you're going to say, at what length?

And then you're just going to say, like, you're getting pranked. Just like a quick one. Okay. Perfect. Hello. Hello. Yes. May I ask you, speaking?

What was this? Well, I asked you who this is because I'm calling from Clona Dick. Your wife had ordered a mold and we needed to know what color you would like the mold to be and roughly what length? Can you tell me who ordered it again? Your wife ordered it. This is from clonadick.com. This is a prank.

Can you tell me what color you would like your mold to be and what length? Is this losing? Damn. You're not asleep. Goodbye, Elijah. You were close. You were close. Bye.

Oh, my God. Is this Lindsey? He said, wait, wait, how many wives does he have because he said, can you choose it? He says, who ordered it? Oh, my God. Oh, my God. Oh, my God. He said, y'all not split.

Kale, you have to do suburban dad. Okay. Oh, my God. Wait, I'm so scared. He said he was in calls all day. Okay. So he'd be ready for this one. Wait, you're leaving a voicemail if he doesn't answer.

Okay. All right. Here I go. Okay. Here I go. You reached the voicemail. Please leave your name, your number and complete message and I'll get back to you as soon as possible.

Thank you. This is Kimberly from clonadick. And I was actually just calling to see if you got our confirmation email for the type of material you wanted for the dick for your girlfriend, as well as the color and length. If you could please get back to me at your earliest convenience. My number should come up on your color ID. And we look forward to hearing from you. He's going to get that message and be like, Lindsay.

Okay. So that one of us is dating somebody who is a psychopath and it answers unknown calls. And one of us is dating someone who plays it safe. Oh my God. Here we are. Now the question is, do you do hobby? Hobby, please do hobby. Kristen, but he knows all of our voices.

He knows my voice. Here, I'll do it. I will die. I will fall out of my chair right the fuck now. Are you saying wife or girlfriend? Say wife because it's funnier. Hi, hobby. This is Kimberly from clonadick.

Your wife ordered a mold and we need to know what color you would like and what length. If you could please give me a call back. The number should show up on your caller ID. I hope you have a great day. Okay. You have to keep us posted if hobby says that was fucking Lindsay. If he texts me and says why the fuck are you? I will die.

I will fall out of this chair and says why the fuck is Lindsay calling me asking me about cloning my dick. I will say I have no idea what you're talking about. Can you guys tell me about this vabbing thing before we go? I'm absolutely and utterly disgusted. What is it? I don't even know what it is. I didn't even open the article.

I was like, I want them to give me the lesson on vabbing. Vabbing is when you stick your fingers in your vagina and then put it on all your pulse points for the effects of what a perfume would do if you put them on your arm and behind your ears and things like that. So why is this a trend? Because they believe that the Fair Mones have these calling me right now. Oh, he's answered. Hello.

Don't hello me really. What? Where are you at? My office. Yeah, what you doing? Ordering groceries. Are you sure you're not ordering a dick mold? No, why the fuck would I do that?

I need you to step it up. I need you to do better. It's 2022. All right. Your fans want better. Wait, why? Someone else is calling me. Hello?

Hi, guys. Speak to Kaelin, please. Um, sure. Hold on. That was a car salesman with a spare key. This has turned into an absolute shit show. Oh my God. Our whole life is a fucking shit show, and it ended on this vabbing trend that like...

Now Atlanta, Georgia is calling me back. Did you not block your number? No. Okay, hold on. Hello, this is Kimberly. Kimberly, this is... Hi, how are you? I'm well.

I got a voicemail from you. Yes. Yes. How can I help? It was a little jumbled in the communication shows. I'm aware of what the call was for. Oh, I apologize. I don't have great service at my office, but I was calling to see what color and material

you wanted for the mold to dick that your girlfriend ordered. The mold to dick that my girlfriend ordered? Yes. Yes. Color-wise, I'm a little unfamiliar with this order. Okay, so basically it's for a lack of better words, you would clone your loved one, may clone your genitals for extracurricular activities, essentially. Oh, okay.

I got you. I don't know if I placed this order. Did she place this order? Yes. She did? Yes. Yeah. Okay.

Let's go with gold. She'll probably like gold. Okay. Do you want to do it? Absolutely, we can. You can? Yeah. Okay.

So cool. Dazzled rubies, whatever plastic things you got, just put it all over there. Okay. And do you want it to be like a rubber type of material or like silicone? Yeah, let's do silicone. That's probably best. Okay. Yeah.

Awesome. Well, thank you for getting back to me so quickly. You are welcome. Thank you so much. Bye. All right. Oh, my God. What the fuck?

Lindsay, you are so in trouble. I'm so fucked. Wow. Okay. Oh, I just got the text. I just got the text. You guys are a freaking turd. He said, I know that was Kale.

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