Coffee Convos with Kail Lowry and Lindsie Chrisley - Cookie Dough Gate

Episode Date: May 7, 2026

CC 477: Kail and Lindsie are on the couch in Atlanta discussing everything from Blake Lively, Taylor Swift, and Met Gala chaos to WWE dreams, reality TV burnout, and the future of podcasting. Kail opens up about her fears after 16 years in the spotlight, why a scripted comedy-style reality show actually sounds appealing, and some future ideas.They also get into the behind-the-scenes realities of filming reality TV, recreating emotional moments for cameras, navigating public scrutiny, and why some internet theories deserve detective badges. Plus, the conversation spirals into ex-etiquette, awkward run-ins, cookie dough betrayal, farting in relationships, shart disasters, and the absolute disrespect of using the downstairs powder room for a full-blown emergency.Get your Fatherless Behavior Tour Tickets herePlease vote for us in the lifestyle category here!For full videos head to patreon.com/kaillowry To send in your Foul Plays email us at [e-mail] you for checking out our sponsors!This episode is brought to you by booking.com. Head over to Booking.com and start your listing today.Progressive: To get your auto insurance quote head to progressive.comRoBody: Find out if you’re covered for free at ro.com/coffeeconvosK12: See why more than 3 million families have chosen K12 find a K12 Powered School near you today! Go to K12.com/COFFEECONVOS to learn more.Rocket Money: Let Rocket Money help you reach your financial goals faster. Join at RocketMoney.com/COFFEECONVOSLittle Spoon: Try Little Spoon Formula with their 2 can trial pack (Buy 1, Get 1 free - that’s $30 for 2 cans),which is great if you’re easing into the transition at littlespoon.com/TRYFORMULASee Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

I hate gift giving and receiving. Receiving gifts is so weird. What do you say thank you? This is Coffee Convo's with Kail Lowry and Lindsay Crissly. I really want you to be in your feels, Kail. That does not interest me whatsoever. I feel very attacked by you. A spirited discussion about motherhood, friendship, family, and life in the public eye.

I'm just not with the fakery anymore. There's a fakery bakery around here. Here's Kail and Lindsay. Now that we've trauma dumped, welcome back to Coffee Commons podcast. We are still in Atlanta on Lindsay's couch, and I'm so happy to be here. here you're on your back. I'm on my back and I'm actually really sad because I'm leading today and I don't want to and I have FOMO. I'm actually really sad as well because I was hoping that your trip would be extended and maybe your flight was on spirit and that you would be in court with me. Stop praying on my

downfall. Spirit Airlines although I did read something that said that they're trying to make pass something where the public can pay like $45 to own like, hold on, let me read it. It's like stock, not stock, but like giving completely false information about a business. Literally. No, I sent it to somebody and it was like Spirit Airlines. It's like $40, $45 is the average cost of a flight. And so this person is trying to. Well, no wonder they went under. How do you fly anywhere for 45 with the fuel cost. Okay, so they've raised $2 million. Basically, what this guy is trying to do is make it a public share.

Would it be like public share company? So they're raising money and people who buy like $45 into it own like, I guess stock. I feel like somebody's going to get arrested for what you just said. Oh. Well, Elon Musk is allegedly. Did you pay $45? No, but I would. But Elon Musk is trying to bail them out.

JetBlue is about to go down. JetBlue is done. and then United Airlines just canceled hundreds of flights and then their prices went up by 20% because of Iran war. Meanwhile, while all of this is going on, allegedly Blake Lively paid $100,000 to go to the Met Gala after she settled with Justin Baldoni. Like what is this world coming to? This might be a hot take. I absolutely loathe Blake Lively and Ryan Reynolds now. I will never look at them the same

And I don't know how she was Even with paying $100,000 I don't understand how she got to the Met. Well, Alessandra said that she was like a Met queen. I don't know. I didn't know she was as big as she was. Gossip Girl. Yeah, X-O-X-O.

Were you a Serena or were you a Blair? Blair? Serena. I've never seen Gossip Girl a day in my life. I was a Serena person too. And then like after what happened with Justin Baldoni, I'm just like, I just can't get behind it, you know? I am just blown away by the amount of money they spent just to settle 18 months later. If you file a lawsuit and 10 out of the 13 claims were dropped, I'm sorry, but you're in the wrong.

I mean, his defamation suit was thrown out very early on. The only thing that confuses me a little bit is that in the article I read last night, it said something about Justin Baldoni. was like laughing and gossiping about his with his team about being able to bury anyone. I didn't understand what that was about because I always thought that Justin Baldoni was a good guy in all of this and that she was kind of wrongly accused. My theory remains has always been that there was some, there was romantic feelings on one or both parties and it went wrong. I wholeheartedly agree with that. Wasn't Ryan Reynolds filming a movie at that same time? What Wolverine Yes, and they like shaded Justin in the movie and stuff like that.

Yeah. I would imagine that Taylor Swift and Blake are not friends anymore. They're still friends. I didn't know that she was still friends with Blake. I heard that she had completely separated herself from that is what I thought. publicly just to give it a little breathing room. Could you stay friends with someone who you were involved in something like that? I think our situation would be different because we would both be involved.

involved in it. You know what I mean? But for that, I just feel like that is career suicide. Like if I was Taylor Swift, I would completely separate myself from that. And it's like to Aless Andres point, for somebody to be falsely, falsely accused of doing something that the court completely threw out the claim, I don't, I'm not, morally, I'm not staying aligned with that person or being friends, whether it be publicly or privately. The whole thing is so crazy to me. And then Blue Ivy, first 14-year-old to ever attend the Met, they usually have like an 18-and-up policy. Really?

But she's 14 and she was at the Met. I bet she was so cute. Yeah, she was so cute. She looked beautiful. Blue Ivy, I feel like has to be one of the wealthiest kids in the world. I could imagine. But I'm not a Jay-Z or Beyonce fan. Sorry, don't come for me.

I'm not a Jay-Z or Beyonce fan either. I'm not a fan of either of them. I never got the hype. I mean, even when Destiny's Child was a thing, please don't come from me. The V-Hive is going to a tap. I loved Destiny's Child, but I was not, I was a Kelly girl, not Beyonce girl. Yeah. Yeah.

I was always a Kelly Girl. Yeah. I loved Destiny's Child, but then when Beyonce went out on her own, I'm just like, it's kind of given the vibes that you're a pick-me, you know? I'm not saying that she's not a business woman. I'm not saying she's not stunning. I'm not saying any of that. I'm just not a huge fan of her music.

Like, it's just not my vibe. could you stay friends with someone just put yourself in a situation of Blake and Taylor? No, because I would feel used. Like, I feel like why, what was Blake Lively's thing with Taylor Swift's song? Like, in the movie it ends with us. What was the, like, why did you need that so bad? Well, I think to pull some of Taylor's audience, I would guess, right? Oh.

Yeah. Because the Swifties will Swift. Yeah. The Swifties will. Swift and Blake knows that. But I also think that behind the scenes, I believe Taylor, Taylor was probably authentically Blake's friend, but I think that Blake and Ryan Reynolds are the type of people that they don't care what they're doing behind the scenes. They're going to use whatever leverage that they can use to level up in whatever way that they can. That's so foul. And like I used

to love them as a couple. I used to think it was so funny when he would like put out tweets and it would be like trolling her. I used to think it was so funny. I don't get it. On the other hand in current events, I did come across, Misha did a post about Mariska Hargote. Is it Hargote? Is that he pronounced it? I think so. I'm not sure. I'm going to pull it up about rape kits, which I absolutely loved. So let me play this audio really quick. Y'all did you see that for the first time in U.S. history, there are now laws in place for all 50 states to track and test rape kits. And why have these laws passed? Because of Mariska Hargate. Yes, Olivia Benson herself. And huge shout out to Mariska because she didn't just like put a hashtag on Instagram for a little while.

This was 16 years of lobbying and fighting and calling and just forced. change. And obviously this is huge. So that's good news in the United States for this current event. Current events time. Wait, so it stays in like a registry? Because before, I'm 99% sure that the rape kits, they would expire after some time. They would discard them, biohazard, get rid of them, destroy them. There's like a statute, not a statute of limitations, but like a time frame that you Is there a statute of limitations on rate charges? Yeah. I think there might be.

Yeah, there is. I'm wondering if it's federal or state. I think the time frame varies by state, but yes, there is a statute of limitations to my knowledge. So, I mean, either way, it's good news. Hopefully it really does what it needs to do. Alessandra just sent the screenshot that says statutes of limitations for rape very significantly by jurisdiction, but many states and countries have eliminated time limits for prosecuting felony sexual assault. Many jurisdictions allow prosecution at any time, particularly if DNA evidence exists

or if the victim was a minor at the time of the offense, which this goes hand in hand with what Mariska just did because there's no statute of limitations. So now if there's rape kits that can be saved and tested and there was like another event, like that's a huge deal. So I actually love that she is not just playing a detective on TV. Like she's doing real life work. That's awesome. Amazing. So it's saying numerous states have abolished the statute of limitations for rape and sexual assault, meaning charges can't be filed at any time regardless of when the crime

occurred. The thing is, is without what you just said that she got passed, if the rape kit was discarded, then they wouldn't have the evidence, I guess, to be able to move forward. In a lot of ways, this is a good sign, but in a lot of ways, it's like, I mean, if nothing else, my message to anyone who has been a victim of sexual assault or rape, which I am myself, go get the rape kit. Even if you do not pursue charges, go get the rape kit. Because now that they're not going to discard them, if you change your mind in the future,

which a lot of people do, you have the option to go back and still press charges. Well, we were talking about this before we started recording in Alessandra, made such a great point that even though it's not your fault, there is a level of guilt and shame that is associated with that. And I think just making sure that you cover all of your basis. I mean, there's other things that I'm going through. There's things that you're currently going through, which is like make sure you cross your T's and dot your eyes. Yeah. Yep. But shout out to Mariska. We love you. Okay, so tons of parents say I didn't plan on formula feeding and most don't, right?

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Were you like an SVU, girlie? Oh, yeah. Yeah, like I love Law and Order SVU. I don't know before court if I should be watching that. That might be. I see how good I'm going to be on a plane. Are you getting jealous? I have FOMO so bad. Alessandra and Lindsay and Kayla will be here. And obviously I wish it was different circumstances, but I wish that we were saying. I'm so sad that I'm leaving.

I'm going to go do WWE training. Why are we going to WWE? No, I'm not going to WI. I'm just training. I'm just learning the moves. Do you know what I mean? Do you think I could do a Huracana? What is that?

I'll put you in a fucking guillotine. What is that? I have no idea. Are you going to join WWE? I wish. Could you imagine they make a fucking character out of me on WWE? I would die. The teen mom fans would shit themselves.

Tell us in the comments or in the reviews, like what would you got, what would our characters be? Because it's acting, right? Like it's a whole plot. There's a whole storyline. There's characters, right? Like, what would, mine would be chaos. I don't know what mine would be.

Because I could never find myself in that situation, you know? You could be a ring girl. Yeah, I feel like I would be better cut out for that. I could be your ring girl. Well, I don't even think they have ring girls in WWE. That's more of like a boxing situation or like a UFC. Were the Bella Twins, WWE? Yeah.

Are they still in it? No. So like at what point do WWE people retire? When they get injured or hurt. and when you, let me tell you something about WWE. And I did not know this until I went to WrestleMania. The fans of WWE is every walk of life, Lindsay. You would be, you would be shook.

I'm talking like CEOs, CFOs of hedge funds are fans of WWD all the way down to the trailer park trash that I am. Right? Like you walk through a WrestleMania crowd and you're going to see millionaires and you're going to see people that live in poverty. You know, every walk of life, every race, every ethnicity, and the fans are insane. Do you know that WWE was Chris Lino's best lead-in? What do you mean?

On USA Network? Like, it aired before Smackdown or like Raw or Monday Night Raw? Raw. Monday Night Raw. Yeah. Yeah. That was the lead-in for Chris Lino's best. That's amazing.

That's probably why they- But imagine, though, like, I know you're saying like such a. an eclectic, like, group of people. But imagine being new to reality TV and like your lead in is raw. No, that's a, that's actually perfect because then you get all the walks of life that watch WWB. And a lot of people talking shit. Yeah, of course. But, and then you have that as your lead up. Like, that's honestly genius marketing. Because I was shook. I could not believe. I mean, we're talking every type of person that you could imagine on this planet was in that crowd. And it's all acting and it's so cool. And I just can't even imagine.

But I guess what I can't understand is if we know it's acting, then like, why are we going? Well, I mean, what's the fun in it? So then why are we watching movies and reading books and watching TV shows if we know it's fake? I guess that's true. But I'm just like we're literally like plopping ourselves down on a floor and doing like the weird stuff that like goes on. Why are we in tapping out and like doing all of that? Like, why are we doing that? To Alessandra's point, she's, I don't know if anyone can hear.

She was saying like gladiators and like from since the beginning of time we were watching people fight as entertainment boxing UFC. That's not fake, but it's still fighting. I've just never been able to really get behind like those sports. Are they considered sports? Oh, I love to watch boxing and UFC. Really? Yes, I fuck with boxing. Creed's name is Creed.

But I just feel like it's like so violent for what? No, there is a new like I don't know if it's new. It's new to me the slapping. Have you seen it? It's people like bitch slapping each other to the point that they're bleeding and crying. And it's just like. Wait, where are they doing this? It's like you have like on TV.

Power slap. And it's women and they just go and they bleed and they cry. Hold on. He'll show you. There's nothing entertaining about that to me. I want to see it. It's so weird that I can't get behind. But where did you all like run across this?

I've never heard of this ever. This to me is abuse. Let me see. And they have like rules. So like if you're down for a certain amount of time, like same thing is like cap it. Right? This is literally insane. Yeah. Could you imagine Valley just coming to you and like, I want to slap 20 years and I'm going to be, what do they call this thing? Power slap. Power slap. Power slapper. I would say no. I'm not supporting that. I mean, I just feel like that's perpetuating abuse. Like I don't know. I don't know if it's new. I don't know where it came from. I have no idea. I can't get behind it. But like how would their body like doing it? Like doing. that not feel like they're getting in a car wreck like tinsing up like that like bracing for impact yeah yeah it's weird i don't know if it's new if it's always been around and it's just like now being like like more publicized or what but that i don't want to watch that there's nothing entertaining to me about that but like why why are they promoting sports like that and then and it's women and that's the

thing that pisses me off is like of all women's sports this is what you want to promote Mm-hmm. Like, let's get a female football. I follow women's tackle football situation. Like, let's promote that. Let's do lacrosse. Let's, you know, gymnastics, like all of the things. Is women's tackle football like a sport?

They started a league. Mm-hmm. And what's it called? I follow them on Instagram. Are you joining it? I mean, I'd pop an implant, but. Wait, we need to go back to the WWE thing for a second. At what point of your life did you say I'm leaving Atlanta and I'm going to train for

WWE? I was always training for WWE and then I made Atlanta a stop on the way. But are you training with like somebody from WWE? Yeah. I'm training with Saraya. Are you excited about it? Are you scared? I'm excited about it.

I'm really excited about it. I mean, imagine our big ages just like throwing our bodies on the floor. I wish you could have came with us. That would have been so fun. But like, are you going to find an opponent? Yeah, Matt. Imagine I didn't do Team Mom and I was like, let me sign up for fucking WWE. Remember the Ms?

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So it's not out of the question for them to sign somebody from Teen Mom. And I come with a cult-like following as well. I'm just saying WWE call me for real like I'm training but call me for real you have so many business plans that I I'm just starting to get concerned and right before we started recording keel was like I'm just fascinated I want a reality show like Chrissley knows best but like my family I think that Chrisley knows best is would be like that style like would it be docu comedy uh where it's like reality but it's like with a funny yeah spin on it. That's what I see for my family. So like all the times I've said like Kail and the chaos, like my kids chew me up and spit me out every day. But like we also have a lot of love in our house. So I think it would just be a funny take on like, because the Kardashians is all girls one boy. We're all boys one girl. And then the Chris Lee knows best docu comedy vibe. I think that is the vibe for Kale and the chaos. But would you be okay in a hypothetical situation you had a show?

would you be all right with their being levels of scripted? Yes. Basically manufactured comedy, but like we're already, like my kids are already funny. So it's not like it would be we're not being something we're not. It's just manufactured comedy. You've seen, everybody has seen my kids be funny or heard my kids be funny. So like it's not like it would be out of the question where like I don't want to talk about my personal problems, my drama.

I want it to be like the funny spin on all the things. And so to be honest with you, I am a little surprised that all of my production deals have fallen through because I mean, I can hold an audience. Do you know what I think? Like I've proven that time and time again. It's so interesting that you say that you would be okay with scripted, but you came from unscripted. I guess technically Chris Lino's best was unscripted. But when you have a film cycle and you're dressing up in cost.

Like, obviously, like, there's some level of scripting going on there. I would never participate in a scripted reality TV show ever again. I just think it's so interesting because I feel like Kail and I are so aligned in so many ways at this point. But the fact that you would do scripted reality TV, I would never go on a scripted show ever again. Because I feel like for me, coming from an unscripted reality show where anything that I'm I said could be cut and pasted on another scene and not having any control over what was being filmed or edited or how like in our contract it literally said we can spend anything we want so that it makes sense to the audience or how we see fit where it's scripted you know ahead of time

you don't though oh you don't you don't they have full editing control and post production so they can take a clip from whatever and shorten that. conversation to make it sound like something that it was not. But I guess it would be less focused on like super deep and personal things. Like it would be more like, okay, Elliot is auditioning for this play and we're, you know, or this movie and we're all cracking up because he got a bad haircut or something like that. And it's like making it funny or like I shit my pants in public.

It's not talking about sitting on a couch talking about baby daddies because I'm tired. Like I make jokes about it. but like I hated filming about it. Do you know what I'm saying? I mean, I do get that, but we were talking about Aspen Ovard and the Secret Lives of Mormon Wives couple episodes ago. Yeah. And I feel like I relate to what she's saying so much

when she's like, I'm just like ready to just be so like authentically me and my story. I think there is so much freedom in that. Like I know you've had traumas from it, but I just feel like it's so freeing. That's fair. There's probably pros and cons to both, but it's interesting to me the shift in reality TV now. I don't think things are when we filmed teen mom, none of it was, man, like it's hard because I want to be careful about my words, right? Like, when we filmed teen mom, you could roll out of bed and film. There was no glam. There was no hair and makeup. There was no, there was nothing. It was real and raw. Yes, there were certain things that we knew we had to film about. or we knew we had to talk about. But now I feel like the shows that are most successful are the ones that are in full hair and makeup. Like Secret Lives.

Secret Lives. Kardashians. Just any of the reality. I mean, even Chrissly knows best. Like, you guys weren't rolling out of bed and filming with your hair on top of your head, like a fucking sloppy bun and in depression like I was. You know what I mean? Like there were plenty of seasons where I looked like a whole fucking slob kebab and nobody cared.

I still have the same audience where now I think that people are so obsessed with glitz and glam and fame. And I think that social media has a little bit of a little bit to do with a lot to do with that. And so that's what's appealing to everybody. Everybody wants what's not attainable. So that is what people are watching. They wouldn't watch something like teen mom today where you're rolling out of bed and it's not glam and we're, you know, trashy. When a child feels safe and supported in their learning environment, it can make a huge difference. and that's why so many families are turning to K-12 powered schools for at-home learning,

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The shows, I think, do. I'm not saying the cast. I think the shows. Got it. Okay. I can see that. Like those cast don't necessarily have the same success in. a cult like following with like social media and stuff. I would agree. What do you think about,

speaking of the Kardashians, what do you think about Chloe getting her own show called The Girls? I'm excited to see that. But that also is money glitz and glam. Well, I mean, their entire life is money glitz and glam. So do people love that more? Because that's, to me, it feels almost like characters on a TV show. Yeah, but how do you go if you're like, I want full production, I want the hair and makeup, like, I want all of that stuff. And then you're going to come on a podcast and talk authentically raw about your life. Because I don't think those two things align. True. Because, like, I was rolling out of bed on teen mom. And then I came on here and got to, like, explain myself. Right. Okay. I see what you're saying. So it's like, how do those things align?

So interesting. And then I'm thinking about the Kardashians and, Chloe's new show, The Girls, I'm assuming it's going to be Hulu. I think it's Hulu. Do we think that that's going to take away from her storyline on the Kardashians? Because I feel like you only have so much time to be able to do stuff. So is it only going to show her life, like going to dinner and lunch and whatever with her girlfriends? And then like the realer stuff is going to be on the Kardashians?

I think she's going to have a minimal role on the girls. I think she's a producer, so she'll have a more minimal role and she wants to make the girls the main characters, like the other girls, the main characters. Would you ever go on another show that was an ensemble cast of girls? Yes. I would love to have a killer network show. With me, you, Becky, Kayla, Alassant, I would love that. And like everybody have their own storylines? like teen mom but killer network yeah but keel that's not glitzing glam part of it is i mean we're

hair and makeup right now right so like it would show both sides rolling out of bed taking the kids to school some days i have time to get ready in the morning before i take them some days i have to drop them off and then come home back come back home and get ready some days i takes them like you know what i mean like it would show both sides it would show us being working and also moms do you know what i mean so something that i was uncomfortable with and the chrisleino's best contract was in the initial contract, I don't know if it was like in ones that followed, but in that initial contract, they could put cameras like in your house without your knowledge. I don't remember if we had that clause for teen mom, but I do know it said that they could show up

unannounced at any time. They never did because of budgets. They never did. I always argued, I would get really frustrated and at the time I didn't understand, but I wanted it to be just, Jersey Shore style where they just put the cameras up. We knew about them. Don't put them up against my knowledge because we changed diapers and stuff like that. There are certain conversations that do not need to have to be public. But I would argue because I would want them to just set up cameras so that they could get real moments the first time because what would happen so often would be something would happen in real time and they wouldn't be there to film it. And then we had to recreate it. So yes, that did happen, but not that way. And so I would get some.

so frustrated, just put the cameras up and get it the first fucking time. But you would have that same issue and scripted because I remember when I told my parents that Will and I were getting a divorce, that whole scene was set up by production. And then they didn't film the interviews for that until like seven days later. So by the time I had like processed filming that, I was in a completely different mental headspace by the time I filmed the interviews. Yeah. And that was hard too. That's so hard. I would get so fucking pissed off at the VOs that were written for me. And I would argue because one, if it didn't happen that way, but that's how they edited it to make sense to the audience. And then they wrote the VOs for me and I had to read them. I would argue tooth and nail because I'm like,

one, I'm not in this headspace. Two, that's not how it happened. And three, I'm not fucking saying this. Yeah. I literally cried. in that interview because I had already gone back. I was staying in Nashville with Jackson at that time when I filmed that scene, go back home, come back to Nashville to film interviews. And I'm like literally bawling in the interview because I'm, I'm like, I'm going to reconcile now. Like, I wasn't seven days ago. Right. Yep. Yep. And so that's the fucked up part of TV. And like people don't understand that. I also wanted, instead of the VO for teen mom, I argued for confessionals like you guys had the interviews because when we when hobby and I did marriage boot camp

we did the interview style but I I like the um like what is it called diary cam yes I like the diary cam style versus like full glam on a couch with producers behind a camera and then you're authentically getting where someone's at you can you can submit multiple diary cams over a period of days to get the full trajectory of what's going on. Yes. Agreed. And so when you're sitting down in a curated setting, setting, and they're like, let's walk back this scene and they're showing you footage. Now I have hair and makeup and what if I cry? And I literally am not divorcing my husband anymore. Well, when you're in a whole- I was only divorcing him seven days ago. When you're in a whole other headspace, you don't, you, for me, I'm going to speak for myself.

when I'm in a different headspace, I come across cold. So like when I had to recreate the scene of telling, and I've said this a million times, this is not new information, but when I had to recreate the scene where I tell Jordan I cheated on him and I look like a cold fucking bitch, it's because we had already talked about it a month. I don't know how far in advance it was. We had already talked about it, already moved on, we were staying together. He forgave me. We were moved on.

So now I have to retell this man that I cheated on him with Joe on camera when I'm 19 years old. and it's a whole knockdown dragout Wait, wasn't Jordan the one that you met at Sports Authority? Yeah. And you cheated on him with Joe and then you got back with Jordan? Well, we didn't break up, I cheated on him. And then when I told him I cheated on him, actually he caught me in the act. He caught you with Joe?

Yes. Where were y'all? In the shower. Just banging one out. So he walks in. No, he's begging. on the door. So what did you do?

Got out of the shower. And what did Joe do? Told him that I slept with him. But I didn't want him. I just didn't want me to have him. Oh, that's so relatable. I did not want Joe. It's so relatable to not want someone, but to not want somebody else to have them.

Mm-hmm. I felt like that about multiple people, actually, every single person that I've ever been with. I did not want him, but nobody else could have him either. Do you still feel that way? About Joe? Yeah. I wish I never had him. Oh, my God.

I wish Elliot Rivera was of maculate conception because I wish I had him from the jump. That's so crazy. Did you feel that way after you got divorced? Yes. Ex-husbands, I feel like this is going to sound insane. It's not. Should be off limits. That's why, like, the secret lives of Mormon wives where they're like

with Chase McWhorter I'm like maybe they weren't really were they friends the girls well I think because you can be friendly and not be friends and so for that was sort of like

the argument with like the whole Brianna thing was like are we friends or are we friendly do you know what I mean but we were on the same show I don't give a fuck but like why are you fucking my ex-husband I feel like I'm so

past like my divorce and stuff I will always love him as a person, but also anybody who has ever known me through an arm's length transaction is not being with my ex-husband. See, that's the thing. It's like it's not whether we were friends or friendly either way. We have a working relationship. Yes.

An arm's length relationship. This isn't a six degrees of separation. This is we are on the same show. We had surgery together. We did these things. Like that's weird to me. It's very, very odd. And it's giving.

I want to look at it. your cat is what it's giving. Well, I just sometimes reflect on my life. And I'm like, am I fucking nuts? Or did this happen? I said that this morning. I said, people would think that we're nuts, but like, we're sane. Every part of my life at some point has felt insane.

Like, and I do, like, people think that I don't know where I am the problem. I'm fully aware where I am the problem. Does that make sense? Yes. But there is a lot of my life that it's not me. But I think that people believe that like we manufacture stuff and it's like, no, this really fucking happened and we didn't know what was going to happen. So like manufacturing the drama or like inviting the drama, no, I think years ago, toxic kale 10 years ago, yeah, I was starting drama, right? Like in my 20s, on reality TV, like, the people I was surrounding myself with were encouraging it. But like now you think I'm going to... It's just like not worth it. You know what I mean?

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That's crazy you said that because last night when I went to bed, I was sleeping in Lindsay's guest room. and I'm like, what am I going to do when this is all over? Right? Because like 10 years from now, we're probably not going to have a podcast. Like, would you do a podcast in your 40s? Yeah. Look at like lady gang. Aren't they? Older? Do we think that we can maintain an audience that long? Like, what is next for us? Like, what is the long term plan? And I was just thinking, like, what is next? Like, I'll podcast until we have one listener left. You know what I mean? Like, I will continue the podcast. But like, say podcast, just like everything else shifts and changes and there's like a new platform or whatever.

We're going to have to start all over again. And we won't have that same. I would love nothing more. I would love to be in production. To pass the torch. And like I am not one to push my kids into the spotlight, but two kids of mine specifically want to be in the spot. Elliot and Lux want to do movies.

They want to do comedy. They want to do acting. They want to do all of that. I would love nothing more for me to then go on the on the, on the production side. One for protection of my kids, but two, because I kind of already have the experience, but I also

I would love to go to law school to do entertainment contracts so that I could help in that way. And that's something that I don't have to litigate. I don't have to be a litigator. I could just be a contract attorney or a trademark attorney. Yeah, I would love that. I would love nothing more to then maybe down the line

be on the production side only and do You know. Like we could be consultants for other people who want to get in it. So we can be like agents. Behind the scenes. So our lives can somewhat be private because at some point it does get exhausting.

Like right now I'm good. I love our audience. I think that a lot of the riders will give us constructive criticism. I think that they keep us in the know about a lot of things. And I'm thankful for where we are right now. But I was just having like a, I was like reflecting a little bit like, you know, I want to move out of Delaware and have a fresh start. And like, what does that look like for, like, maybe will I go to law school at that time? Because the twins will be getting ready to go to

preschool or kindergarten. So, like, what is next? Maybe like while we're still podcasting, I start that process kind of deal. Just like, what is next for me? I would love, and I've said this since Chris Lino's Best, I would love to write story for shows. Oh, that would be good. Scripted or non-scripted, Both. Both. I would love that. I think the craziest thing is that I don't think people realize it is on the back end, like production and producing and camera work and all of that is really hard right now

because the major networks like Hulu, Netflix, I don't know, Peacock, Paramount, whatever, they're buying shows two, three years in advance. So like right now, I've been under contract for my own reality show for on and off for three, four years. But the networks have already bought their programming for those years. And so it's so much harder, even though I've shown longevity and I've shown that I can hold an audience, to get into it is so hard. And then we did a call for killer.

And the production was like, you know, we're going to try to get funding for this, blah, blah, blah. We get a call. They asked me, do I have any camera people that I was comfortable with from any of my experience on Team Mom? And so I gave them a couple names. I reached out to a couple of them. And they're like, you know, we do need work.

Like I know, like they're not even finding work, which is so crazy. So it's like the back end, like TV producers, filmmakers, all of that. They're having a hard time too because they might get an idea in 2026. And Netflix, everybody is all booked up for the next three years. Well, it's crazy that you say that because when I had Miranda Hope on the Southern Tea, I had been sent an advanced screener for the season that was coming out. Okay. Like I think I had her on maybe like a week prior to.

You had her on in Dallas. Yeah. And I think the following week, the season premiered. Yeah. They were already filming for their next season. When this one was airing. When that one was airing. Yep.

That's how teen mom was. Sometimes we would be 18 months in advance. But look at Alex Earl. But do you know how hard that is to be on a show like what you were on? And it's like you're reliving the stuff all over again so much later. Yeah, that was hard. So how do you heal from any of it? You don't.

But see, the turnaround on Chris Lino's Best was so fast. We filmed, when we started, we filmed a pilot which ended up turning into, I believe it was the first eight episodes, which aired as season. one. Okay. I think we started filming in August or September, and that was just for the pilot. Between that time and it being pitched to networks, they already had boots on the ground in January. That does make sense. Alessandra, she basically was saying, like, now with streaming and how cable is basically

becoming obsolete, is that when we film any type of show, whether it's a reality show, documentary like multi-part series or scripted you have to put it all out at one time you're not waiting every single week the same way that we were with cable because there's primetime spots there's the talk shows at four o'clock there's daytime like all of that and so but it is completely changed the way that we watch tv i absolutely hate that they release an entire season at one time you hate it i do i love the fact of being able to like look forward to the following week like I watched the one episode and it was like that time for that week and then the following week I'm going to watch the next episode.

I definitely think that it promotes no, like it prevents you for being productive because you get sucked in. And so you're stuck in one spot because if I know that there is a three-part documentary or something, I'm binging all of it. So now everything else doesn't get done. everything gets pushed to the side because I'm sucked in. Where like before, it was like I wasn't going to sit there and watch, you know, a half hour or one hour show and then probably watch something else. Like it wasn't like that.

It was like, okay, now I have to get up and be productive. The show is over. There's no. I don't watch anything else, right? Right. Now you can just binge. I mean, when I was pregnant with Creed, I started law and order from the beginning and I just sat there and sat there and sat there. It wasn't productive with doing anything else.

And that's why I like it to be released like one episode a week. And then when you're done, you're done. Or you could watch the whole thing through if you wanted to. I mean, it could be an 18 episode season. I don't care. It's going to take me 18 weeks to watch it. Yeah. Like, I love that.

Fair. I think there's pros and cons to both. But yeah, so I don't know. The reality TV is shifting. I would love to know from our viewers comment and write reviews about do you like the glitz and glam kind of selling sunset vibes of everything, the Kardashian vibe? do you like rolling out of bed and it's real raw, no makeup? Maybe a little both.

I was saying, I don't know if you heard me, but I was saying a killer network show where it's part glitz and glam when we get hair and makeup and do all the things, but then it's also like we're moms on the back end. Do you think that you just want to be part of something scripted because it's what you don't know and it's something different? Full transparency, I am scared to not be relevant. I'm scared to for what life is going to look like without TV. I'm scared that my 15 minutes is running out and I won't be able to provide for my kids the same way I have for the past 16 years.

Full transparency. It's not necessarily about and the relevancy has to do with money. It doesn't have to do with being well known. So when I say relevance, I mean in terms of like my paycheck because I can't go work a nine to five and provide the life for my kids that I have for 16 years. Yes. So it's more about that than anything. Like obviously I have loved the fan base and the supporters and the viewership and all of that. But like I have been doing this since I was a child. So imagining what my life would be like without what I have now is a really scary thought for not just myself, but for my kids. And I completely understand where you're coming from, but I have a completely

different take on it. I'm like, I've been doing them. since I was pregnant and now I have a 13 year old and what's the exit strategy and how do I do it fast enough? So that's where I'm at too. But it's scary to me. It's scary because it's the unknown. But when I tell you, if we could have this podcast and live completely private lives at the same time, like have the best of both, I would love that. I would love nothing more than to talk shit about like basically be a T podcast where we're covering reality shows, we're covering documentaries, we're covering and then not putting, not disclosing so much of our personal lives. But I also love our fans. Like I love our listeners.

I love our audience. I love that they feel like we're their best friends. Like I love that aspect of it. And it's so hard. I love that too. And that would be hard to. But that's why I say the show that I would want to do would not be about, I don't want to have a conversation about my son going through puberty.

I don't want to have a conversation about my, the custody battle. I don't want to have a show about like, like, you know, I want a file to relocate. Make it funny. Not in a way that's like my kids are going to look back. Comedic relief. Comedic relief about it. Yeah. How do we spin this so it's funny, it's entertaining and nobody gets hurt. But also that is how we operate kind of as a team. We add comedic relief to our trauma. It's like we'll be like talking. Dark humor. The most trauma dump moments and we're sitting there cackling and it's like okay maybe we are crazy no i definitely am a little bit that shit you know what you mean like i am you said how many times though you have to be crazy to do this no you you have to

be mentally ill to do this you have to be no i think that ever being a part of reality tv or being connected like for alessander or anybody on our team who hasn't been on tv i think reality tv perpetuates mental illness. I would agree with that too. Okay. So you guys know that I have gone through ebbs and flows with my finances and my spending. And I'm here to remind you that Rocket Money is amazing because I was spending so much time trying to figure out where my money was going before I started using Rocket Money. Now that I have Rocket Money, it shows me exactly where I'm spending my money. And Rocket Money tracks subscriptions and has the ability to cancel unwanted ones within the app with a few taps, saving users over $880 million in canceled subscriptions.

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I want to go to law school. So like, could I carry this podcast for the next, we'll say five years to get me to that next step so that way I could make the income being an entertainment attorney or something like that to take me to the next step. Because at that point, then we can transition to solely the back end, be on Alessandra's side of things and produce, you know, a lot of if Elliot wants a podcast or somebody else wants a podcast and we pick them up. Oh, I also would love to clarify something. I read something about myself online the other day that was like, when Kale addresses something immediately, she's lying. And when she doesn't address it, she's to, or no, when I address something immediately, I'm telling the truth. And when I don't

address it, I'm lying. And I just want to say it's the opposite. You know, kind of got me fucked up. When I address something right head on, I'm absolutely telling the truth because I'm like, okay what and then if I don't address something for a year it's because I think it'll pass or I don't want to address it at all and then I realize I have to still address it or on the flip side of that I'm in the fucking trenches trying to get through this emotionally and mentally and I'm not ready for whatever is going to come with this I need to process it before I talk about it so both times I'm telling the truth but there are certain things I'm not ready to talk about but if I talk about something immediately it is because y'all pissed me the fuck off yeah but also there are certain things that

I've just seen like flying around the internet. I mean, it's literally just flying around the internet. And it's like, first of all, the theories are wild that some people come up with. And they are so committed to some of those theories. Committed. The level of, I wish it could be that committed in a relationship. Truly, they could solve crimes, though. Like, truly.

But they could. If you put that energy into good, can solve crimes. But I'm just like, the theories are so crazy. to people also understand that there's like certain legalities like behind certain stuff. So maybe if we're not addressing something head on, it's probably because we're either processing or there's a legality behind it. I do think over the last two years, Kail and I went through a similar time where I wanted to kind of like back off stuff of my personal life and then she backed off stuff of her personal

life at the same time. And then people are like, what are they doing? They're not telling us anything about their personal life. It wasn't like I was picking up the slack when you weren't telling yours or you were picking up the slack because I wasn't telling mine. We just kind of like shifted. And now I think we're kind of like in a gray area. Yeah. You know?

Yeah. Damned if you do. Was that a bird hit the window? Did you hear that? Can I rate rate you for a second? Yes. All right. Say you're dating someone or you're married.

You're in a relationship. Committed relationship exclusive. This is your ride or die. your partner and you go out to dinner, you're at a store, somewhere public. Okay. And a woman comes up to you guys, gives your man the biggest hug and wraps her legs around his body. Legs. Yeah, like, you know, and then like you pick them up into a hug and it's like this big hug with the legs wrapped around.

And oh my God, I've missed you so much. Like, how are you? Blah, blah, blah. He never introduces you. You've never heard of this woman in your life. What do you do? Is this something that's happened to somebody that we know? I'm just wondering.

And it's like, oh, and then like towards the end, oh, by the way, this is my wife. Like we need to understand as full-blown grown adults that there is a level of appropriate touch. So I'm just wondering why any woman would come into a public place and wrap legs around somebody. I'm leaving. No, I'm literally walking out. hear from me again because the level of disrespect, I'm your wife. I've never heard of this woman. So if you've had these kind of feelings for this woman and I don't know about her and you've never mentioned her name and now she's coming up to you in a public setting, not only do you not

introduce me, she doesn't say anything to me. But why are you allegedly that close to another woman that I've never heard of? One thousand percent. Like there's something to hide. 1,000 percent. What are we hiding? Because now I'm going into full blown investigative mode because I'm going to find out. Is this the one that got away 10 years ago and you married me and you settled for me and you really want to be with her? Mm-hmm. Because bye.

She can have you now. So what are you doing in that situation? Walking away? Yeah. And you're leaving them there? I will literally. They're staying there with your dicks in their hands for all I care. You can stand right there with her legs wrapped around your body because I'm out.

Has that ever happened where you're like dating someone and they like don't introduce you? Yeah. It actually did happen to me one time. I was trying to think I dated somebody and he asked me. It was, we typically had had our kids at the same time. But for whatever reason, Jackson was with Will, like on a random Thursday. And he was like, no, it was a Friday. And he was like, do you want to go to like this downtown area and hang out with me and my kids?

And you don't have Jackson. And I was like, yeah, sure. I go didn't and was not forewarned that the ex, we were going to. going to have a run-in with ex-wife that I had never met. And we're standing in a line. I think it was like face painting or like those balloon animal thing standing in line. She comes up. She's with a group of people. Never introduces herself to me. And he doesn't introduce you guys? And she's eating, you know, like the cookie dough places where you can get cookie dough like sco, like ice cream. Yep.

she's eating it and then she takes a piece of that off on a spoon and puts it in his mouth right in front of me. And he didn't introduce you guys either? No. And I'm like, bitch, you have me fucked up. What did you do? All the way fucked up. I put my hand out.

I said, hi, I'm Lindsay, Chris. Lee. How are you? And also, why are we feeding our ex-husband? Why is he opening his mouth and not shutting it and acting like his mouth is wired? fucking shot. I swear. I'm not rage waiting you.

I'm telling you this is a true full-blown story. Like, this happened. I would have blacked out. Have you ever been with somebody that, okay, like maybe they went places with someone else that they dated? And then they're like, oh, well, we can't go here because there might be a run-in with her there. We have that conversation about fishing because his ex-girlfriend picked up.

fishing obviously because of him. Mm-hmm. And he wanted to go to opening weekend. And I'm like, don't know about that. Your ex-girlfriend frequents the same places. Like, that just feels weird to me. Like, I don't know.

So I, same relationship that I just referenced, I want to throw a surprise birthday party for someone. So I pull strings, get a private room at this cool place. he finds out about it and he's like oh we we shouldn't go there because there's going to be a run-in. Do you think I give a fuck? You're like at that point I'm having it there. I want her to have a run-in. Like what do you mean?

No. Like why are we playing like a duck and dodge game for what? For what? Because he didn't want you guys to run into each other? No, honestly, I'm petty though. So like I hope you see me in your nightmares. But I was so upset because I'm like, what do we have? Oh, I was so upset because what do we have to hide and what are we dodging?

Like, she knows about me and obviously I know about her. So like at that point, why would we duck and dodge? Yeah. No, that's fair. I had, I think I told this before. Maybe I didn't whenever I was pregnant with the twins and I went to a birthday party with Elijah. Um, he did not introduce me to his aunt. And she came up to me and said, oh, you must be Elijah's little friend.

Little friend. Little friend. Oh, wow. But he's also a man of the twins already have a child with him. He lives with me. And I must be his little friend. What did you do? Blacked out.

Full blown blackout. But it's just like, it are big fucking ages. You must be his little friend. Why are you, why is your aunt disrespecting me? Like what the, fuck did I ever do to you? I don't know you from a fucking can of paint. Well, in the cookie dough gate situation. No, I would have lost my fucking mind. Like, at the point I put my hand out after like this is transpired right in front of my hand. No. This plays out right in

front of my face, right? I put my hand out to shake her hand. Does not shake my hand. I said, hi, I'm Lindsay, Crissly. At that point, he should have said, such and such, this is my girlfriend. That's fucked up on his end. I wholeheartedly agree. We argued about it because my feelings were actually hurt because I'm like, number one, I'm going out on a limb being with you in the first place. I'm involved in your children's life. I took time out of my evening to come and hang out with you and your kids. I've not done anything wrong. I don't even have my kid. And you're eating cookie dough off of a spoon from your ex-wife? Like, she's feeding you? No, at that point, y'all get back together. I'm out. I'd leave right there. I would leave the event. I kind of always thought that they

might get back together after we broke up, but I don't think that happened. But it's also like, I know you're not going anywhere, but I am. Like, at this point, I am. You can stay. I want to leave. Put me in the cave. Yes. Yes. I cry. the whole way home. I'm like, what was that? It's humiliating. It's disrespectful. It's,

I think it was the disrespect for me. It's all of it. Because at that, like, at that point, it's just like, you allowed that to happen and not you. He allowed that to happen and he did not handle that situation appropriately. And now, and then you're the bad guy for getting upset because it wasn't a big deal. This is something that's very interesting because my ex-husband, he wouldn't bring somebody around me.

Like, that would be like a very long time. before that ever happened. I don't know if he thinks that I would be cookie doggate, but like I wouldn't. Toxic kale would have been cookie dough gate. Ten years ago, kale would have been cookie dough gate. Actually, probably would have just like went up to him and put my arms around him or something. But like, why are we doing that? Because I was childish. Never would I ever. Didn't want them, didn't want anyone else to have them. I'm not going anywhere. Here I am. I'm in your face. Now, no. Now you can stay 50 yards away from me. To a restraining order.

Like, please stay 100 yards away from me. Cross the football field when you see me because I do not want any parts. It is. Matter of fact, bring all three of your girlfriends and I won't say a fucking word. It's just so crazy to me like why people can't act like fucking adults in second situations, third situations, whatever the situation is. Like, if you've got kids with somebody, move the fuck on. I wish I could say it was that easy. but it has not been that cut and dry for me.

Like the only thing I'm going to cuss my ex-husband, my ex-husband out about at this point of my life is if he tries to parent in my house or he just does something I don't like. Yeah, sounds about right. You know, like, just like disrespect. Like, don't tell me you need to go and golf at 9 a.m. on a Saturday morning that I don't have Jackson.

No, you want to know what I won't. I'm not doing anymore. Do not fucking contact me about something you saw on the end. internet. Do not look at a fucking T page or a hate page and text call or email me about it. If you block every single fucking account that is associated with me, even people you know that are associated with me, but you won't block the T pages that twist shit and you're going to call me, text me, email me about it, suck a dick. Truly. Wait, your exes are doing this. They will see shit on a T page that has a, that has 50,000 followers. And

100 likes on that post and I'll get an email about it saying that I'm the worst fucking thing to fucking exist and all I love the drama because a T page twisted what I said or did and now I'm a horrible person because how could I say something like that when that was never what it was intended? And also it's just like- I suck on it. I just think that people again think that it's like manufactured stuff for attention and And it's like, no, actually the attention sometimes that we collectively get, we never ask for.

We never asked to publicly go through that. I actually am in a place where like, like sometimes I wish if Chris could stay off live for a little while and we could get like take a break, get on the same page, I would love nothing more than to get on this podcast one day and talk about where we're at with Javi, Chris and Joe, where it's like copacetic. or like you're just leaving me alone. I have nothing negative to say. You have nothing negative negative to say. We don't communicate with each other. The only thing I'm going to talk about is co-parenting relating to certain situations. And we're not shit-talking each other.

It goes both ways. I just think that's a good idea in theory. But with that many people involved, do I think it's realistic? Well, that's what I'm saying. All at the same time? No. Like if we could just stop, like you'll block every single people. that is associated with me, people you know, but you won't block the T page or like your,

people will DM it to you and it like, um, exacerbate the situation or Chris going on live all the time and talking about that. And then I come on here and I want to respond or I want to clarify or I want to do this. So then I'm getting in trouble. Well, they're only talking about you because you're talking about it on the podcast. No, I'm responding to the lives that are going on every day. I'm responding to the T pages that are going on every day. Like, it's all, All few. Who has the time or the energy to get on lives that much? Did you see the article about the woman who created a Taylor Swift fan page and was able

to quit her corporate job because of the income? Did you see this? No, but that does not surprise me. This woman created like one of the biggest Taylor Swift fan pages, like fan bases, and was able to quit her nine to five. She was bringing in tens of thousands of dollars a month off a fan page. That to me would be worth it. Was it like an Instagram page or?

Yeah, I think it was like social media accounts. or something. Put your energy into that. You want to be on social media. You want to make money on social media. Make it positive. Why are we like let's be positive, right? Like let's go put that same energy into something positive so that like I can talk about that instead of like. Why are we ripping people to shreds all the time? I think it's being unhappy with oneself. It's like even on this podcast when we talk about things that we don't like, it's a group chat kind of combo. And then next week, we most likely aren't going to talk about it or we might touch on it and move on. Like, we're not ripping someone except for unexpected.

Depends if there's a follow-up. Unless it's Fallon from unexpected. Yeah, that's very different. Unless you're Fallen from unexpected, we probably won't talk about you next week if we talked about you this week. Yeah. So, I don't know. I guess that's the world we live in today.

Fowl play before I get on this fucking flight. Okay. Fowl play. Meow. Um, meo, meo, meo. Okay. Love listening to the podcast weekly. I've been with my boyfriend for three years and living together for one. We have yet to fart or talk about having to take a shit in front of each other. Crazy I know, but I think he needs to do it first before I do. I so understand this. I completely agree. Like it, we're one year in and I just started pooping in front of I like two months ago. Pooping in front of him. No, like telling him I have to go poop because I used to just leave the house or go to the bathroom outside. Not in the wilderness. And the bathroom. And the woods.

No, no, no. I have an outdoor bathroom attached to my back porch. Okay. So like the pool kids, the kids that are in the pool can just go right there instead of tracking the water. So I would go out there to poop. And I would say, don't look for me. And obviously I was giving it away when I would say that. But that was like two months ago, I started saying, okay, I have to go poop.

You know what I mean? So I get it. Crazy I know, but I think he needs to do before I do. Well, one day I was leaving for work at 6 a.m. And thought I had to fart when I was in the car. No, it was a shart. I immediately panicked and ran inside to the bathroom. My boyfriend very confused why I came back in.

I immediately made up a lie and said I ripped my pants and needed to change. I also then proceeded to flush my underwear down the toilet. She was committed. Because I didn't know what to do and was running late. My boyfriend proceeded to ask me throughout the day if I was okay and what cut my pants, L.O.L. Fast forward three months later and we had a pipe problem and my underwear had clogged it. I guess it would, it will, I guess it will just have been easier if I told him the truth that I

sharded in the first place. Thanks ladies. No, that's when you go douse that shit in bleach and put it in the washer or throw it in the trash and bury it, take it out on your way out. I mean, I'm screaming. Maybe I'm childish, but I just feel like I would never get in a place in any relationship that I could ever be in in my life where I'm going to announce that I'm going to take a shit. Oh, I walk. He shits with the door open in our bath. when I just talk to him. Yeah. Like while he's shitting, you're looking at him?

Yeah. Now, I didn't do that in my previous relationship. I've never seen that man shit in my whole life. Maybe that's where I've gone wrong. Here's the thing with my relationship now is like we came into this relationship and it's we are who we are. Like you get what you see. Like what you see is what you get.

And I think that's why I've been so open now with him is like, I'm going to call myself out because I don't want to. Like, I still do get embarrassed, but I'd rather say it and be embarrassed than to, like, shit myself and not. And then, and then it, now he knows I have a shitting problem. So if I shit myself, you weren't shocked. You're not so disgusted. Yeah, I get it. I mean, you're going to still be disgusted, but you might not break up with me because you knew this might come, you know.

I was with Will for 12 years and never have I pooped around that man. Never have I farted around him. Ever. I would be mortified. Yeah. No. The farting thing, I wouldn't ever do that on purpose. That's like a really touchy subject for me.

It was just an accident. I'll talk about shitting myself because I cannot control it, but the farting I can't get behind, which is so weird. But what's the difference? Clearly, when I farted in the shower, slipped out. I don't know what the difference is. I don't know because I feel like you have to intentionally, like, I normally am not a gassy person. Like, I'm just not. So I don't know what it is, like why I have a struggle with the farting thing.

maybe or like the smell like I don't know like men are so disgusting but the second a woman displays any type of grossness they have the ick and they don't love us that's the wrong that's wrong man that ain't no man one time my ex-girlfriend was in the bed with me I think I told you this did I tell you this and I had a quiff just chilling oh you did tell me this yeah and I got out of bed and I stood up I didn't it was a queef but how did you get air there I don't know right the same way the fart came out in the shower. And so I stand up and it was so loud, I couldn't play it off. And I know she thought, to this day, she probably thinks it's a fart. It wasn't. And I'll tell you if it was a fart. Did you tell her it was a queef? No, I played, I tried to play it off and I

couldn't. Like, there was no way to play it off. Listen, I do not understand how some people get so comfortable. Like, Will would use to just like diarrhea shit in my powder room. No. Stop sitting in the powder room on the main floor. The main floor powder room is for guests. It is for peeing. It is for washing your hands. It's for doing touchups. That's not shitting. You're not shitting in the powder room. Please don't do that. I don't even have a plunger in there. I'm not even kidding you. Like, guys are so disgusting sometimes, including my son. Jackson will be on FaceTime and we'll be taking a full-blown shit. And Jackson's like, is it a greasy one? Like, no, my toddlers will be like, I'll be like, who pooped, which one pooped? And then I'll change a and they'll be like, let's see it. Yeah.

You're disgusting. Like, why are we looking at it? On that, no, I do need to go pee. I have to go potty. Okay, well, if you guys have not subscribed to the show, you can do that from any podcast app wherever you get your pods always first at podcast one. If you guys have not purchased tour tickets. Thank you.

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