Coffee Convos with Kail Lowry and Lindsie Chrisley - Doing Our Best

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I hate gift giving and receiving. Receiving gifts is so weird. What do you say thank you? This is coffee convoes with Kail Lowry and Lindsay Crissly. I really want you to be in your feels, Kail. That does not interest me whatsoever. I feel very attacked by you. A spirited discussion about motherhood, friendship, family, and life in the public eye.

I'm just not with the fakery anymore. There's a fakery bakery around here. Here's Kail and Lindsay. Hello, coffee combos. Good morning and welcome back to another episode of Coffee Combo. Vos podcast. How are you? I'm not well, Lindsay. I'm sorry that I was late and we missed an entire recording. I apologize. I was balls deep in this giveaway that I'm doing and I'm super excited for it because I tailored it to all of my favorite things, like my personal favorites, like a Kindle,

Yetis, Carraway, Louis Vuitton, Shark Vacuum, like I'm doing this big giveaway. And so I was like getting all the stuff together and I get a text from Alessandra and she's like, Hey, are you getting on this recording or, and I was like, oh my God, I'm so sorry. There's just so much stuff that's going on behind the scenes. I feel like we don't know if we're coming or going at this point. So I was like, okay, I already did school drop off. I was able to go and get gas. I was able to play with my pussy this morning, not yours.

And just lots of things going on. Like I started my laundry. The cleaner is here. so we are probably going to hear 19 vacuums in the back of this recording. It's some bullshit that is going on. Do you require her to use all 19 vacuums just so that you're getting the use out of them? No, no. I am strictly like a shark girly, but I have multiple sharks.

I also have a shark in this giveaway. I love my sharks. We talk about vacuum so much. I don't think that we need to give them a whole speech, but I will say I also love sharks so much. Spark over Dyson all day. I need to tell you that I, when I was coming home from Alabama, I was starving and I wanted pizza so bad that we, because we didn't eat pizza the entire time we were in Alabama. And I stopped. We get to the airport and they have a pizza place like real pizzeria style pizza.

I go, I'm starving. I eat it. I burned the fuck out of my mouth. Okay, Lindsay, when I tell you instant blister, liquid filled in it, horrible. And a week later, and my mouth is still tore up and it still hurts me to eat. That is absolutely the worst. But it's like when you're so hungry, you just like want that first bite and you don't care what happens to you. And then you suffer for it.

Yeah. I hope I'm skinny at least. From eating pizza? From not eating at all a week because my mouth has tore the fuck up. Oh, my mom. Wait. I do have to ask you something. Oh, no.

I saw you being a poser. Opposer? Yeah, I saw you. It's such like, I saw you do it. What did I do? What was I being? Well, you know, since you and I are such mean girls that we've been accused of, I'm going to straight up call you out. Why the fuck do you think that you are better than me to go and get $300 worth of

Nito's when I can't even get one? Listen, I'm pissed off, okay, because I, And I told Emily, yesterday I was with Emily at this event that I did. And I told her, I said, honestly, I have to go talk shit about you on my podcast now. And she was like, what? Like, okay, whatever. Emily has apparently known about Nito's for years. Like, Nitos have been a thing for years.

And she even got them for Christmas. I said, well, Lindsay just told me about them last week. So I did not know about them. She said they don't, they're not all that they're cracked up to be. And I said, well, I'm upset with. you because I feel like that is something that we would have talked about at some point, but she never told me about them. And I said, I'm recording tomorrow.

Like I'm going to talk shit about you on my podcast. When I was like when jelly shoes first came out, we've talked about this before. I got that shit from pay less when it hit the floor. Okay. I was in either the white pages or yellow, whichever one is the business one. I was calling that pay less. I was finding out when those shoes hit the floor. And I was wearing those things around the house.

house because I didn't not want anybody at school to know that they were a thing and that I had them first. So, so. I'm a gatekeeping. So on Saturday, um, you guys know that I call pop up my dad at this point. You guys know that. I never talked about him years. You know, when I first, first met him, I didn't really talk about him because there wasn't ever

really like, not that there wasn't a reason to, but I didn't have like a, like there was nothing to talk about on the podcast in terms of him, right? So his son has a child with one of my friends, Jenny. She lives in Philly now. She used to live in Delaware. Her and her daughter came over on Saturday and they showed me the Nito's. Like I got to hold it and squish it and all the things. And so we end up leaving. We end up going to Target, Walgreens, CVS, called Ace Hardware, called Walmart, trying to find these Nitos. They're sold out everywhere. So I get online. I order them on Amazon. I order them on Walmart. And then Jenny calls she facetimes me. And she's like, I'm at Target. They have them. I'm buying all of them. So she bought all of them. She got me six ice cream. So pop-up's

going to go get them this week at some point for me to have the needos. But like the hyper fixation is so real. And I don't know because my kids have never brought them up to me. Like my kids have never and I think maybe that's why Emily didn't tell me because her kids already had them. But they must have not showed my kids or told my kids about them because my kids never asked about them. It's more for me. Oh, I don't want anything to do with Enito. Jackson is just to the point of obsessed. And I need to ask you, do your kids gamble at all?

Excuse me? Excuse me? Okay. Well, Jackson, he wants to bet for adults. So like, it is a full blown legal. situation. However, he joined like this little league thing at the local watering hole with all these like old men. Oh. And he won $125 and it's like filling out squares or whatever. And he put his name on these squares and then I got contacted and it's like Jackson actually won it and it's $125.

So he's been walking around with this envelope with $125 in it for. or since like Super Bowl. Okay. I noticed that he comes home with a shoebox, an Ugg shoebox, and on the top of it says, Nidos, do not touch or throw away. And I'm like, I know nobody gave you all of those.

So like, where did they come from? He was like, oh, I've got money. I've got money. He took $40 from, his gambling charade and was doing deals at the school for 40 bucks for a box of needos and an ugg shoe box honestly he like mother like son you said you were selling bobbolicious he said he's doing some transactions for needos okay listen he came home he washed him up i have a whole picture of like him washing them the sink make sure that it is posted this is a very serious deal

I will take a picture of all of his Nitoes that he has collected over the last week. We have yet to find a brand new one. Okay. Well, coming right up, anti-causes to the rescue. I'm going to get you some of these. I bought, I have six from Target, six ice creams. I bought a shit ton at Walmart and then I got some on Amazon. So I will send him brand new ones.

Just wait. Just wait on it. I just need to tell you also that I don't necessarily need you. because this audience provided me a plug. Can you provide it to me because I need them for me, not for my children? Cracker barrel. Cracker barrel, Nitos at Cracker Barrel.

I'll tell everyone. Well, I mean, don't tell everybody. Yeah, don't tell everybody. Also, that's how they go missing. Listen, I'm on the Nito crack train. Like, I'm obsessed. I'm doing it. But I'm also on this.

So go to Alabama. Matt had one. So I had to get one. This is all the states that I've been to. This is my new hyperfixation water bottle. And it comes with a sticker sheet and you put the stickers on for each of the states that you've been to. And then the black and white ones are the ones that you haven't been to. So I will be getting to add a couple more when we go on tour. How do you wash that? They're waterproof stickers. I don't like anything with a sticker on it. Oh, see, I love all the things stickers. I'm just upset that I haven't decorated my new laptop yet, but I'll get there. I just don't understand why we would buy expensive items. And then what's that saying that my dad always used to say? A bumper sticker on Bentley or Bentley.

Yeah. I mean, I like a little decoration. I'm a hypocrite. But I just don't, I can't get behind a sticker thing. Like I also wonder what people are. thinking when they go and buy a vehicle and they're like, this sticker looks so good, the one that says, I love cats. And they put it on their car. It's like, we don't need to know. Yeah. I mean, that definitely is, but I also have tattoos everywhere. So like, it's like, let's do a

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We have seen a lot of the rumors and speculation, floating around the internet about Kristen and, and things like that. And we can't talk about it yet. And we do want to give you guys answers. We know that you guys deserve answers and you guys loved her as much as we did. And unfortunately, it does go a lot deeper than medical. And without saying too much, you know, everything. we'll come out and do time like it always does.

And unfortunately, we can't provide any answers right now, but we hope to be able to at some point. And we also understand that this is not going to stop the speculation. But a lot of what we're seeing online is they're not correct narratives. They're not correct speculation. They're not correct theories. I don't think it's wise to ever talk about something until ready, prepared, and have the green light to do so. and I've conducted myself that way in various different situations that I've been in my life. And I think it is the best thing to do to sit on it.

I know it's like a weird time right now because all of a sudden, Kristen's gone. There's a lot of stuff that's going on. So I think people are like, okay, these girls are just running bakery, bakery. No, that's not what's going on. And definitely upset. We couldn't have predicted any of this. And so we just want to acknowledge the fact that, yes, it is deeper than stepping away from medical reasons. We want to acknowledge that.

We don't want to act like nothing is going on. But we also, we cannot provide any answers at this time. And, you know, Alessandra did say, you know, you guys can say that, but it's not going to stop the theorizing. It's not going to stop the speculation. And we also acknowledge that. But we just wanted to give a little bit of context on why we haven't given a full-blown answer or answers. there's a lot of moving parts and we still have all of the rest of the killer team Lissa Madison Alessandra Kayla everybody is still collectively here they were just moving people around

within the entire realm of killer network Southern tea coffee combos all of the things they're all still here we're just having to move make some changes but you guys will get to know Madison and Lisa go ahead address that too because we I feel like we have had to make business decisions so fast over the last couple of months. I just want to say that Madison is full blown on the back end of Southern Tea and on my personal and speak on your side of stuff. So Lisa is now moving over to coffee combos and just for full context and transparency. I know y'all love my say transparency. Madison and Lisa have been with me and all of the entities. I look chopped, but I say, hey. Listen, on this recording and she's just in the producer mode,

so she's not like physically here, like she's physically here, but not on camera. And she said she looks crazy, but she says hi. Her and Madison have been with Killer since the beginning of 2025. So they have surpassed their one year mark. And we're just kind of just making adjustments on the back end. But they are great. They are Gen Z. They both live in New York City. And just They're just like cool, like totally cool. Just keeping us young. You know what I mean? I love Madison so much.

She's like, she thinks of stuff that I don't even think of. And I'm like, wait, is that just because it's a different generation? Probably. And also they're just, they grew up at a different generation than us. And so what's really cool, though? Lissa is an actress and she also, I think she minored in ASL. And so I thought that was really cool for Elliott because, you know, they can help. help each other out. And then Elliot also wants to act. And so it was, it was cool to learn that about her.

Like, I mean, she was hired over a year ago at this point. But just so you guys know, like, they, and if you ever go to killer entertainment.com or if you go to kale lowry.com, I think we also posted it on Instagram is like everybody's roles within the companies. So if you guys are ever confused about that, and I know that there have been a lot of moving parts, but if you guys are ever confused about that, it's always on the website or, um, you can leave it on a rate, like an Apple or Spotify review, we will see those first because they're isolated comments and we don't get as many there as we do on the groups and the Facebook pages. So if you guys leave it there, we will see it first. Outside of that, I want to get into this Taylor, Frankie Paul stuff.

Ooh, okay. Have a little. The entire internet, I feel like exploded whenever this news happened. and I'm like, why is there so much press that's around this, but like not other things that are going on in life in the world? So that's just been like really crazy, but that also is reality TV. I have a lot of feelings about it. And I have conflicting feelings as well. Lisa just asked, did we see the video? I did see part of it, but I did not see the child get hit by the chair or by Taylor or any of that. I turned it off before that because I have a lot of feelings.

And like you said, some of them are conflicting. And I also, I feel like so many things can be true at the same time when it comes to the situation. And I am, I'm upset for everybody involved because obviously, like, this is people's livelihood, but also ABC knew about her charges because they were public knowledge, public record. They still continued on with her as the Bachelorette for this season. knowing that she pled guilty to these charges back in 2023, I believe it was. So to me, ABC just had an easy out in my opinion.

And because people were outraged by it, which again, I don't fully understand that when it was addressed. She pled guilty. She got help. She did all the things in 2023. I, again, I don't want to speak with, you know, about what I didn't see, which was the child. But I also want to acknowledge the fact that reactive abuse is a real thing. and if she was ever dealing with a narcissist or someone who was violent first and did not film himself being violent, again, I don't know I'm just speculating. It's we can't hold her to a different standard.

If he's antagonizing her and doing things like that and then she's being recorded, that's not fair. But also let's look at our fucking president and then look at Taylor. Why are we holding her to a higher standard than our fucking president who is a literal rapist? So I'll leave that there. feel free to say whatever you want to say. I'm like on those podcasts, when we never get political and then we get political. Like what is happening? Okay.

So for those of you who have not seen it, which you're probably living under a rock, and I wish that that was the place that I was also living, Taylor Frankie Paul is on secret lives of Mormon wives in Utah. And she got selected as the Bachelorette. That was also a little bit like of a taboo selection because normally they choose within the franchise to bring someone on. So that was kind of a weird play, but also I get it. If there if there was an opportunity to have someone as controversial on as Taylor as the lead, it makes sense for ratings. And I know historically that The Bachelor always has higher ratings than The Bachelorette.

When all of this came out, I was mind blown at the video. I watched it in its entirety, and I never saw the child get hit with a chair, but you can hear the noise in the background, and you can hear him saying, you just hit your child with a metal chair. And I do believe reactive abuse is true, and I think two things can be true. in this situation. He could have antagonized. She could have reacted. Throwing chairs is a little extreme and doing something like that. Not that it's right in any form at all, but doing that in the presence of minor children. That's what really got me caught up. I can't believe that that kind of

behavior was going on with kids basically sitting on a couch. I also am having a hard time with the, I saw comments of her, like, I don't know if they were old, but like some of her cast members were like showing her support and love in 23 or whatever that was. And then all of a sudden the switch up and now they don't want to participate. And again, that's all alleged because we don't know these people in real life. But allegedly her cast members from Secret Lives of Mormon Wives don't want to, continue filming if Taylor is going to be on the season, which I find very weird for the switch

up, like what you knew to be true, unless maybe they didn't see the video before. I'm not entirely sure on all of that. But I do find it very weird that now all of a sudden when the video either surfaces or resurfaces, now everybody is changing their tune. I'm not defending her, but like she has been also very, very honest about her mental health journey and mental health struggles and things like that. And so again, I think that a lot of things can be true and we will never know all sides. But to your point about ABC, it's actually really frustrating because they've always been. And honestly, Hulu too, like being associated with Disney has always been like a very wholesome, clean cut situation. So why would you pick someone that is quote unquote controversial to begin with, right? And then I also read rumors that they were actually looking for and out so that they would not. have to release this because they said that her storyline about missing her kids and being away from her kids wasn't hitting the way that they wanted it to. And so they sort of decided

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I know Taylor has talked about the video on her socials or maybe not the video, but the incident. She's talked about the incident on her socials. She's talked about it on secret lives of Mormon wives. She's talked about it on podcast. ABC would have had access to all of that stuff. So at the point that something like this could have potentially surfaced, and also a show like a dating show, like The Bachelor and The Bachelorette, they do personality test. They do mental health evaluations.

I mean, this is an extensive process that somebody goes through to be a lead on a show like that. And so they would have had due diligence to make sure that they had vetted all of that stuff. I mean, even for teen mom, we had to do all kinds of psych evals and things like that. If they were doing that back then, I know for a fact, they're doing that now, especially with cancel culture and everything else. And so, like I said, those charges were public knowledge and she pled guilty back in 2023. So even without the video surfacing, ABC had knowledge of that.

But what is interesting to me, too, is what were his intentions by recording her? Like, do you need evidence sometimes in a domestic violence or a very tumultuous relationship? relationship for like the police or the police report or whatever. Yes. But while he is active, like, he's actively antagonizing her in the video. Dakota held on to the video for three years and released it on their baby's birthday. The cops have had the video since it happened from what she read. That's what Lisa just said. So that to me shows me that he, there is a deeper, darker side of that man than anyone is willing to admit. And again, as someone, who has been in a situation in multiple situations like this, like it is not fair to sit there and

blame her only. I mean, I would tend to agree with that. I did hear rumors and rumblings that secret lives of Mormon wives was on hold for their current season right now. They're not currently filming. I have also read rumors that ABC is pulling this show, but they are going to air it on Hulu. That may or may not be true. Nobody really knows. I feel bad for all the contestants that were involved that could have potentially went there for the right reasons. And I think it's very fair to say with that franchise, a lot of people go there to get Instagram famous, to get TikTok famous. Like at this point, you don't know someone's actual intentions of why they're doing something. I do think that that show used to be way more wholesome than what it is now.

so let's just call it what it is. I feel bad for some of the contestants that would have gone there for the right reasons, taken time away from their lives, potentially their children, their families, and now they're going to really get nothing out of it. I do feel, it's, and I hope that people understand

that I'm literally speaking to all of it, not just in defense of Taylor-Frank-Paul, but like I would agree with you. People have taken time out of their livelihoods and things like that, but I would be curious to know, like, if, do they find out who the bachelor is, but the Bachelorette is before they go? I don't really know how that works, um, behind the scenes, because I'm sure they have to have some, I mean, when you're talking about attraction and stuff like that, like, would,

wouldn't they say like, okay, well, she has three children? The Bachelorette has three children. I mean, bads. I mean, I feel like in today's world, like, that's more common than it's not. So, like, I don't see anything wrong with it. But I would be curious to know, like, what that whole process was. I would love to talk to Taylor Frankie Paul herself because I feel like there's a lot to be said. Oh, Lissa just said in a normal bachelor season, they do not know who the person is.

I've never watched the show. So I probably wouldn't have watched this anyway. But I know, and I've actually never watched the secret lives of Mormon wives. I just know who Taylor is from TikTok and mom talk and things like that. But if they did continue the show without Taylor at any point, I don't know that it would hit the same because I don't know any of the other people. Well, I had Miranda on the Southern Tea when you and I were in Dallas. I had recorded with her and this was like maybe a week prior to any of this coming out. I don't think any of them could have predicted that Dakota's claiming.

he did not send it to TMZ. The girl he's dating is all online in comment saying that he absolutely didn't and she didn't. I don't believe that. I do believe that there is some kind of abuse possibly both ways. And maybe he was just trying to dim her light and he knew that that would cause such a stink that it would ruin it. Yeah.

I mean, Lisa just said he held onto the video for three years and released it on their kid's birthday. Like, you are sick in the head for you to even think of doing it. That's like, like, that's abuse. Like, that's literal abuse. Like, you're holding this over someone's head and basically saying, if you do this, I won't do this or I'm going to do this unless you do this. That's literal abuse. Like, I don't care how you spin it. To your point about cast members coming out and making statements, they were supportive. And then now some of them are kind of like walking the line, which seems very like PR heavy to me. Like, okay, well, because I am associated with this person, I want to make sure I cover

my own ass. So I'm going to put out some type of like publicly acceptable PR statement to make me look like I am not picking aside. It's reality TV. All these people are not as deep friends as what is being portrayed. I agree. I definitely agree with that. Lissa just said I watched Secret Lives and Mormon Wives. The girls have said for years that Dakota sabotages Taylor before big events in her life. I did see her on the I saw her on the Oscars red carpet. One, I was shocked that she was by herself. I don't know that I would ever, I mean, I've done red carpets by myself, but like much, much, much smaller ones. I don't think that I could have done an Oscars red carpet by myself. So she's got the competence way bigger than I could have ever mustered up. And two, again, like to post a video like that on your kid's birthday and then around the Oscars and then around this Bachelorette. Like I, what do you mean you didn't do that on?

There's no way that you didn't have something to do with it. That whole show, because I have watched it, is just treacherous, but it also kind of reminds me of teen mom back in the day where all the girls were the girls and then the dads wanted their piece of the pie and wanted their fame and they're following. It's the same thing with secret wives of Mormon lives. Secret lives of Mormon wives. It's all the girls. And then they had like mom talk.

And then the dads wanted to create dad talk. It's just like, fuck off. Like let a girl have her day. No, truly. Like just the man being jealous, the way that I see it. And again, I'm truly speaking out of my ass because I'm,

never seen the show, but what I've seen online. Also, what a flex it is to know who someone is without ever seeing a show that they've been on, but knowing who they are. Like, I did this event yesterday that Teresa Judeyce was on. She was in the beginning time, and then I was on the second, I was on the back end. I have never watched a single day of, um, secret, uh, real housewives. I've never seen any of them, but I know who Teresa Judice is. Same for secret lives and Mormon wives. I know who Miranda is because she was on your podcast. Outside of her and Taylor, I don't know any of them. So like what a flex it is to not even have seen their show and then know who they are. For sure. I have screenshoted something because I wanted to read it to you and see if you're in agreement. So this girl posted, I've been going back and forth on even saying anything because this isn't light. It's not drama. It's not entertainment. It's someone's absolute lowest moment being picked apart by the entire. internet. I need to say this carefully because both things matter. What happened is not okay. A child should never be harmed even accidentally. That part is serious and it should be taken seriously.

She does need help. She needs to learn how to regulate her anger and she needs to take accountability. But if you have never experienced reactive abuse, you might not understand what you're really looking at. I need people to understand something is deeper here. Reactive abuse is what happens when someone is pushed and pushed and pushed emotionally, mentally, and sometimes even things. physically until their nervous system is completely shot. It's when you've been provoked, gaslit, criticized, manipulated, and broken down over and over again to the point where your body is no longer responding from logic. It's responding from survival. It's not who you are. It's what you've been pushed into. It looks like anger. It looks like rage. And it looks like losing control. But underneath

that, it's pain, it's fear, it's trauma and it's a person whose brain has been living in fight or flight for far too long. I know this because I have lived it. 1,000% I literally got teary-eyed because that is so true and it's not fair at all. It's like, okay, let's hold her accountable for her actions, but also recognize that that didn't come from a place of just being who, like, that is, somebody was actively pushing her to that point too. And she's not ever, to my knowledge, she's never hid or tried to be, to claim that she was perfect.

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Do you remember the Gabby Petito and Brian Laundry case? Yes. So Gabby's mom, I believe it was her mom that came out and spoke. and someone picked this up. It was from XO XO Bravo girl. She said, I also want to remind everyone about what happened to Gabby Petito. The police footage, when they were pulled over, she was in complete manic state. And when her parents saw that, they said that that was not how she acted normally. If you remember, because she did end up hitting him after all the things he was doing to her, I believe he pushed her first after tormenting her, but they treated him as the victim and had him put in a hotel while she slept in a van. She ended up being murdered by him less than two weeks later. If you Google Gabby Petito police footage and look at the second video, which is a little bit over three minutes, that's what I'm talking about. And again, all of this is just for everyone to keep an open mind about how everything,

him following a restraining order, him filing a restraining order now to me really is just ridiculous because if he was actually afraid of her, he would have done it a while ago. I believe that this is all just pure manipulation and further abuse. I still cannot believe that the video from three years ago was released and I still still cannot believe that TMZ posted it and all of these accounts kept resharing a video. I am appalled and shocked at all of this. Literally, everyone is contributing to further abuse by doing this. I agree with you.

I would agree with you. I would agree with that woman. It's just so hard. Because even if you are in support of Taylor Frankie Paul, we're going to get in trouble for seeing both sides of it. we could get canceled or people will look at us sideways and things like that, which I don't think is fair at all. So, um, moving on from that, let me tell you something else that I am hooked on. Do you follow Aspen Ovard on TikTok?

I've never heard of that. Is it a woman or a man? It's a woman. So if you've never seen her, you have to go and look her up, but she's known for content on home fashion and motherhood. Um, she has three children. She got divorced sometime like early 20, 24. And she was originally from Utah, um, then moved to California. And I'm bringing all of this up because also Utah Mormon. So she was like an OG YouTuber and she grew up in the Mormon faith, but like not,

not like strict Mormon faith. And now she's in a throuple. What? I'm going to look her up immediately and Lissa just said that she knows who I am. Aspen knows who Kail is. She responded to a comment about Wawa about Kail. Kail. What is the deal with you with Wawa? I don't know. I'm following her right now. I just followed her. So she's in a thruple. She's in a thruple. So I, so after she got divorced for me. what i'm just like so curious about throuples like i could not participate in one but i'm so fascinated by other people have like being in a thruple well that's also me and that's why i'm like hooked on aspen right now because i'm like okay you were married to a man had three children you moved to california from utah now you are attracted to one women, which whatever, probably found herself.

But then somehow you end up in a thruple. I'm like, how does that work? Is this her girlfriend, Bree? Is her, her friend is hot? Her girlfriend's beautiful. Oh, yeah. Like bombshell. Smoke show.

They both are, honestly. But isn't that crazy? Like, how? I love for them. Imagine, like, you, I know that you're strictly dickly. Like, I know that. But there is just something so magical about female relationships, like two women, because women are just best friends in a different way than men are.

And in a different way than a man and a woman can be best friends. Like lesbian relationships, like you're with your best fucking friend in a best friend way and a lover way. Like it's just, and I get that. You can have it with your husband. I understand. I understand. But it's just different.

And you can't put it into words how different it is. Because girl relationships are different than a girl and a guy. I would tend to agree with that. Yeah. I just don't understand. And maybe I'm ignorant, which people probably say, yeah, bitch, you are how you have three kids. And then you move to California and now you're divorced and now you have a girlfriend, but you're in a thruffle. Is the third one a man?

Yeah. So her girlfriend has a husband. He's probably in heaven. He probably loves it. What I do know is that I was watching a TikTok last night and it was like they went on this thruple trip. Okay. And in their like Airbnb, it was bunk beds. And the girlfriend and the husband were sleeping on top and Aspen was sleeping on the bottom.

What? And I'm like, so is it like, we only, oh shit, I can't go this way, we only share like at certain times, like, I'm just so fascinated. Like Aspen, can you come on the pod? Yeah, can you come on the pod? Can we talk to you and Bree? Because y'all are just, I just love this so much. Like I think this is. And I feel like they would be great guest.

I would love that. I would. And again, like, this is. never coming from a place of judgment from me. Like, I'm genuinely just so curious and I'm living by curiously through them. So, like, I would love to just shoot the shit and ask them all the questions. I just don't. How does that happen?

Like, you have your husband. First ask yourself. First ask yourself, do you think that you can be in love with two people at the same time? No. Okay. You do? Yes. Tell me.

Tell me more. I don't know. I just feel like you can love two people. I think you can love three people at the same time. I don't think it's the same. I don't think that you can. I mean, maybe, maybe you can. But like, I definitely think that you could be in love and love more than one person at one time.

Do you have a preference? Maybe, maybe not. Also, keep in mind that this is a woman being in love potentially, potentially in love with a man and a woman. Those loves are going to be different. Now, we don't know if Aspen is also hooking up with the husband. It could just be the wife that's hooking up with both. It almost sounds like that to me. I think it's the wife that has Aspen as her girlfriend and then she also has.

Wait, Lissa said she is. Lissa, the fact that you even know, how do you know this stuff? And I don't know. They say they're all dating and there's picks of her kissing the husband. Okay, wow. So nobody's looking at her husband. I think it can only be like, full blown in love with one person at a time.

But if you think about it, that's because that's what society has, like, constructed for us is that they say that you can only do that. So I would argue that, like, a big portion of us have never had the opportunity to be in love without, like, the jealousy and, like, the stigma and, like, the taboos that are attached to it. So, like, none of us, I would argue have ever really had the opportunity to even potentially be in love with two people. I mean, I would kind of agree with what you're saying, but I don't think that I have the ability to be able to do it. Fair. I mean, I think I could be in love with a man and a woman at the same time, for sure.

Okay. I think that's a whole different conversation. Yeah. For somebody who is bisexual, I think that that is potentially true because you're going to get something way different. Like when we started this conversation, you're going to get something way different for. from that girl, then you're going to get from that guy. So do I think that could be true? Yes, I do. I can tell you for a fact right now that the way that I have love for one person that I have

never had before, have I been in love before that person? Yes. But is it the same kind of love that I have for that person? Absolutely not. Nobody holds a candle to that man. Don't fuck with me. And it's like, that's just, that's what it is. Yeah. No, but you can't compete where you don't compare.

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This toxic cycle that I go through. I'm back on. Now I'm on, I'm going to get IVF and I'm going to have twins. Okay. We need to talk about that for a second because this sounds horrible, but I mean it in the most loving way possible. I know I've said it before, but I want to remind you, everyone that I love, I want them to have twins because I love my twins. I love being a twin mom. I love all the things.

I think I told you this, but Valley had an ear infection, took her to the doctor. She was crying for Versi. And she calls him Versi. And she's crying. She did not want to be separated. When I go in there, they're still, now they're in two different cribs in the same room still. I went in there yesterday morning and they were both standing up, like, talking and like playing with each other from their individual cribs because they're like next to each other.

And so when they both look at me at the same time, it's just, if you ever did IBF, Lindsay, I would wish for twins for you. I just don't know if I can get behind like the shots. You know what I mean? Like what scares me a little bit. Sure. I could see that. But also if I show up with twins, everybody also mind your business. Ask Becky about the shots because she, I gave her a shot one time for her IVF.

I feel like it's such a good idea, but at the same time, it's so terrifying. And then also at the same time, I have a 13 year old, which can just like kick it with me anywhere. So it's like, okay, am I really like going to get out of baby Bresa? You know, like, the baby Bresa. No, but I get that though. It's like the idea sounds great. And like how cool when you fall in love with someone, I think your natural sometimes, your natural like instinct is like, okay, I would love to like procreate with this person. But like the idea versus the reality of it is two very different things. And like, there is a real thing called post nut clarity, Lindsay.

No, I know, but I've been thinking about this for years. I know you have. So it's like, it's like something like bothers me. And then I was just having a conversation with somebody the day before yesterday. And it's somebody significantly older than me that has grown kids, one kid that's like about to be out of the house. And this man was like, I don't know. what I'm going to do when I'm an empty nester. And then it made my wheel start spinning.

And I'm like, I actually don't have a whole lot of time until I would be that. And what would I do with my, like, I might as well just have a stroller. I might as well have, well, well, well, well, well, well. Well, there are people who regret motherhood or maybe they just regret, like, the, the responsibility of motherhood. They don't regret their children. They just didn't realize how hard it was or whatever. But I don't think that you're one of those people.

And so I don't necessarily think that you would regret having one, but you might regret not. I feel like I would regret not. And also, we have to base it off of my situation. I've been divorced almost five years. So 50% of that five years I've had to, like, dedicate to myself. And so I don't feel like I'm like losing or missing out on anything by having two cribs. Like that's not going to really move the needle for me. If you had twins, I would be in heaven.

Like that would be so great for me. And I will not be telling anybody the names before I do this. No, because then everyone will say horrible things about all the names that you pick or they'll take them. And it just, it's not worth it. So you keep it close to the chest. Can we talk about that for a second? Because have you ever, like when you were naming your kids, like gone down a list and you're like, I actually hated that person from high school. I would never, I love the name, but hated the person.

Not that I can think of off the top of my head. know, but I could see why that would be, like, that would be like you get with somebody and they want to name their daughter after like their ex-girlfriend. Like, you got me fucked up. Off the ex-roleth. Or like naming somebody after like a girl they slept with. Like immediately, you better remember every single girl you have ever slept with because we are not naming our daughter after someone you had sex with or our son after someone I had sex with. I'm just talking shit. Let's be honest. I mean, it's not. not out of the question. Okay, I need to tell you something that you and I are going to watch. You just don't know it yet. Oh, okay. Well, let me take notes. It's on Netflix. Okay. It's called the age of attraction. I've been seeing a lot of hoopla on TikTok. Well, you know, some little hoopla on TikTok about it. So it's a reality dating series. And it's 40 singles age 22 to 60 date without knowing each other's ages. And it's host. And it's host.

by Nick and Natalie. Nick Viall? Nick Vial? And we know that I fucking hate that guy. And I'm not watching it for the host, but Nick and Natalie also have a wide gap in age as well. They do? They do.

So I think that that might be why they had been selected. I don't know. He may have pitched this show. I have no fucking idea. What is the gap? Is she younger? or older. She's significantly younger than him. Oh. I want to say like... Let me Google it. Oh, wow. He's 45 and she's 27. Yeah. They're an 18 year age gap. I had no idea. That's like me and David.

He looks great for being 45. He does look great for being 45. David and I are 16 years apart. She... Really? I'm 36 and he's 15. What is that? Can you talk about the, can we? I have business. What business do I have doing that? Here's the thing. And I'm going to maybe go off on a tangent here. You have been married, divorced, have almost like a 13 year old child. You're not in the party scene. You're not going out to the clubs. You're not doing all of that stuff. So to me, it kind of makes sense that you would date up because he also has been married, divorced, has one child. Like you guys are kind of on the same playing. field in terms of that part of your lives. And like, I would imagine he's also not going to the

clubs. Like, going out is one thing. Go to the bar when you don't have your kids. It's one thing. The bars is not the clubs. Might as well be. Okay. So I could see why dating him makes sense for you and also like him owning his own business and things like that. Like that does make sense. But I don't know Natalie and Nick's story, but that's so fascinating to me that I don't know. Like the whole situation is so fascinating. Like mainly I am interested in it because I've been in an age gap situation. So I just want to see like what it looks like played out on TV and like what other people's experiences are with that. It can be kind of scary.

I'm not going to lie. I was watching a TikTok the other day and this girl was like roasting. She had just got out of an age gap relationship and she was like, I should have fucking known. I should have fucking known. if nobody in his age range wanted him why did i want him and i'm like kind of makes sense but then like also it doesn't because maybe he doesn't want somebody in his age range true but i just i guess i wonder why date up that far i could see why people date down which is obviously gets concerning when you get to a certain point. But I'm just like trying to figure out like for people who date up,

like for you, like what did interest you in David knowing that he's in his 50s? Okay. Well, my relationship prior to David was a six year gap. And then Will and I were six month gap. So then I started like nearing I was I was feeling a little bit better about the situation with the six year gap. So then when I met David, it just kind of happened. It's like I wasn't thinking about him being 16 years older than me. Right. I mean, to your point, I was six years older than Elijah, but Ike and I are only six months apart. And then before Elijah, Chris and I were two years apart.

Hobby and I were six months. Joe and I were six months. Honestly, that wasn't really getting me very far. I mean, if we're just having Truth Hour, you know what I mean? wait have you ever like have you ever really like started thinking deep about life and then you have you have like dreams about those people not really that i can think about i did that last night i was thinking because i was wanting to watch this show and i was just like i'm not starting it tonight because i'm going to make kale start it with me and we're going to watch this social experiment

unfold and also the social experiment that i've done for my own self and my own life and i i guess because I was thinking about like my entire trajectory like of my past. It's like I woke up having a dream that one of these people that I dated moved to like my little town. That's the trope of a love novel. And I said, no, let me wake up and check their socials and make sure they didn't. Did you check their socials? I didn't. I wanted to make sure it said their same city because I'm like, if I have, and I do not want to manifest this either because diabolical. I would have lost my fucking mind. Those dreams where you wake up and you're like, this feels too real and like you're scared.

Like I need to double check to make sure this isn't happening in real life. Those are the worst kinds of fucking dreams. It's the worst. And I woke up and literally the first thing I did this morning when my alarm went off, I checked socials to make sure the location said the place it was supposed to be. Thank God. I would have lost my mind. Thank God, because I ain't trying to deal with that.

Like, I've got to go to IVF clinic. Like, I'm too busy. Booked and busy with these IVF injections, okay? And busy, okay? Before we move on, I need, we're going to do foul play, but I need to ask you and everybody who's listening to this, is it a psychotic tendency to drive your vehicle on empty with a light on to see how far you can get?

Rebecca does it all the time, she said. I do. I know it's going to shit out at some point. No, that is a mental illness because I cannot, like, I'm filling my tank when I hit a quarter down. Lica lives in the city, but so she doesn't drive as much anymore, but she says I did that a lot. Or, Hela. I don't even know how to use Hela in a sentence. I did that Hela when I drove.

That's what Lissa said. No, I ran out of gas too many times. to count in my early, early, early 20s that I do not let it get below a half a tank. Wait, let me tell you this funny story. So when I was in high school, I've been doing this same gig and like gimmick since I was in high school. So my dad would use to pay for one tank of gas a week. And it's like you get one tank of gas and bitch, that's all you're getting.

So if you think you're going somewhere and you don't have gas, you're not going anywhere. I'm like, okay, fair enough, right? Okay. So I tell Julie to take my car one day and she's driving up to the Zaxby's. That bitch ran out of gas. Did she fill it up? Well, yeah. Like she had to get help.

My God. Did you get in trouble? Yeah. I got in trouble. And I still am doing it when I'm 36. But did you think she would fill it up before she did it? that you were going to get a free-tick, an extra tank of gas. I honestly didn't know what was going to happen to tell you the truth,

because I had never ran out of gas before, and I thought it just, like, keeps going. Like, it's just like a trick. Like, I feel like gas is kind of a trick. Like, you have way more gas than what you think that you actually have. You know what I mean? Yeah, I could see that. But when I tell you, like, the first five years in my 20s,

there was at least a handful of time. and I don't know why. I think it was like my untreated ADHD or something. I mean, I was on the side of the highway. I was in a McDonald's drive-through, like just absolutely diabolical situations where I ran out of gas. And I did not happen.

I know what's going to happen to me one day. One time I drove, this was like a couple weeks ago, I just like kept forgetting and I wasn't thinking of it. So I drove on it for three. days and didn't run out. That's why I'm saying that I'm not telling anybody to test the limits, but like if you want to do an experiment for us, will you just drive with your gas and see how far it goes? Like how many miles past the light? Maybe also before you do it, like fill up a gas tank and

put it in your trunk so that you won't have to call AAA because also you could have AAA, which I do. They still take kind of a long time to get there. And it could throw a wrench in your plans. So maybe just have like. Remember when I almost ran us out of gas on the freeway in Tennessee? Lindsay, I will never forget. I thought we were going to be stranded on the side of the road. I just kept watching it go down and just kept pass and exits. I'm like, oh, we're now at zero.

Now they're going to exit for 10 miles. And those were some back-ass country roads. AAA wouldn't have found us. Your back-ass country. I mean, maybe. On that note, like, do foul play. Do we have a foul play? We do.

I'm going to read it. Okay, deal. Hi, Kail and Lindsay. My name is Emily. I'm 33, O.G. fan of Kale. I love coffee combos and want to share a crazy story with you guys on my extra father of my youngest daughter. I was with this man for 10 years.

I thought everything was good. Let me be specific. He had an uncle who was always helping him with. everything his family knew him he would come to family events i thought he was legit a part of the family and one of his uncles um i'm not sure where this is going normally by this point i know he all i feel like he's all in love she's gonna fuck him or something he always had a lawyer he he used quite often in his plumber field um and the trouble he got in often then the old man that he claimed he did work for as time went on i got

a little bit more suspicious of the relationships that he had with these men and if they were truly part of his family or what it was. Well, he came back from a bar one night drunk and left his phone on the table and I proceeded to go through it. I mean, as you fucking should. Only to find a full-blown butthole pictures of two of these men and the other one getting pictures of my ex-butthole himself. No.

I just don't see like what we're getting out of buttholes, you know? Like you're attracted to someone's butthole like that turns you on? It's just, it's like a weird thing to like look at. I don't even know what my own looks like. Okay, so she says his family was trying to still vouch for them. Even now, I was like, if this is his blood uncle, that's messed up in so many ways. They were like, fine. He's just an old friend of his uncles.

come to find out all of these three men were his sugar daddies. He did not have a plumbing business and he did not bring his own money to pay for the bills. He was literally putting his butt up in the air for these men. He had brought into my life and put in my face. Then when I called him out, he proceeded to gaslight me and tell me that a lot of men do this and it's not that bad. We have been separated for three years now and he won't even see his daughter because I'm telling all of his secrets. And now you've exposed him to coffee combos podcast. So he claims he's he claims. He claims. claims, he claims, while he's still doing all of them, he had to get a restraining order and everything because he was obsessed with me, knowing the truth and still not trying to see his daughter. That is it for today. First of all, I'm stuck on the part where she said, where he, I'm stuck on the part where he says, lots of men do this. Because now I have to go through Ike's phone to make sure that he's not getting butthole pictures from people that he claims to be family members. Like, I need to see your phone, please. I mean, I'm not seeing anybody in here that would be sending but hole pictures, but like... Okay, well, I have like a funny T story to tell

you. And it reminded me of this. So I used to have this one friend that she was having like an an affair with this man for a long period of time, but I didn't really know about. set of fear because I thought that she was happily married. Okay. So all of a sudden, I meet her for her lunch one day and she's like, I'm in a lawsuit. And I'm like, what could you possibly be in a lawsuit for? Like, you don't even do anything. Like, how could you get in a lawsuit? Oh, no, ma'am, a lawsuit because the wife of this man went on his iPad because his text messages were backing up to said iPad. Oh, God. Goes on his iPad, sees all of her nudes on the iPad, turns them over as evidence in a court case. And my used to be friend, I'm no longer friends with

this person, used to be friend, had to get on the stand and they showed her a picture of her butthole and they said, does this belong to you? And she said, I don't know, I've never looked at it. Same. Same. Like, I don't, why do I want someone looking so closely at my asshole when I can never see it that close? Do you know what I'm saying? Like, you are bold enough to be like that, like, in a camera, you know what your butthole looks like. Why is anyone turned off? Like, it's so fascinating to me. Like, why are we? turned on by assholes. Like, there's nothing attractive about a man or a woman's butthole. I had a conversation with somebody yesterday about we need to really get to the bottom of like

the asshole play. Rebecca said, no, we don't. We do. I don't like butt play. I don't like butt play. It's not for me. But like, if anyone loves butt play, can you tell me why? Thank you. I mean, that's a private conversation that I will have with you. And then we'll just discuss if we're going to discuss it on the podcast. Okay, fair. Fair enough. But on that note, I've got shit to do. So thank you guys for always supporting our show. Please subscribe and review on the Apple Podcasts app,

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