Coffee Convos with Kail Lowry and Lindsie Chrisley - Drugged Sleepover, Conjugal Visits & Extortion

Episode Date: March 18, 2024

CC339: A story about a dad drugging girls at his daughter's sleepover adds to the argument that you never really know what is going on in someone else's house. Kail wants to know the difference between getting sentenced to a state prision versus a federal one. Lindsie shares the reasons why she supports conjugal visits in the prison system. An article about an Airbnb host extorting a guest seems reasonable but can you really right a wrong with another wrong? Today's Foul Play reminds us to never use a kids diaper for an adult bladder...    Check out our Instagram @coffeeconvospodcast for more! Thank you to our sponsors! Better Help: This episode is brought to you by BetterHelp. Visit BetterHelp.com/coffee today to get 10% off your first monthHoneylove: Get 20% OFF @honeylove by going to honeylove.com/Coffee #honeylovepodKiwico: Get 50% off your first month on ANY crate line at kiwico.com/COFFEEPretty Litter: Visit PrettyLitter.com/coffee and use code [coffee] to save 20% on your first order. Terms and conditions apply. See site for detailsSignos: Go to Signos.com and use code <COFFEE> to get up to 20% off select plans for you today

I hate gift giving and receiving. Receiving gifts is so weird. What do you say? Thank you. This is Coffee Convo's with Kale Lowry and Lindsey Chrisley. I really want you to be in your feels, Kale. That does not interest me whatsoever. I feel very attacked by you.

A spirited discussion about motherhood, friendship, family, and life in the public eye. I'm just not with the fakery anymore. There's a fakery bakery around here. Here's Kailin Lindsay. Good morning and welcome back to Coffee Convo's podcast. This is actually our second intro because we have tech issues. So happy fucking Monday. Everybody get this lounge set that Lindsay sent me the link to because it is absolutely unmatched. It's super fuzzy and

comfortable. And everyone needs one. That is the best lounge set that I think that I've ever had. So you guys need to make sure check out, one of us will be linking it. When I get off this recording, I'm going to get it in every color that I like. I actually wear it around town. I saw your story this morning

and I also wear it around town. I also wear it around town. I saw your story this morning and I also wear it around town. I also wear it around town. Love that for you. I love it. So what's going on? What's happening? What's the 411? I'm not a regular mom.

I'm a cool mom. Not too much. I will say though that I did hit my snooze button not once, not twice, but three times this morning. And then when I dropped Crude off at school, Fer got his backpack. So when I started recording, Elijah ended up going to drop off his backpack and lunchbox. And I did think it was Monday. So we're just a little behind this week.

Can I tell you what I did this weekend? Yeah. I cleaned out my makeup bag and I have to ask every single person, how often do you change out your makeup bag? How often does your stuff just get like dusty and stuff all over everywhere? And do you have everything that you could possibly use in your makeup bag? Or is it just like your essentials and that's it? I use in your makeup bag? Or is it just like your essentials and that's it?

I don't use a makeup bag unless I'm traveling. So I have all my makeup in like drawers and containers on my vanity. And since I've had seven children, I don't travel like I used to. Well, really, since I've had five children, I don't travel like I used to. So I don't keep anything in a bag. When I leave for Alabama, I'll put things in a bag and it will just be what I use regularly and nothing else. In my makeup bag, it has like five things in it.

It's got mascara, concealer, foundation, lip gloss, a liner, okay, maybe like a couple more than five things, but basically not a lot in there. And the makeup bag that I had before I transitioned all of it had everything that I could possibly ever need to use. So I'm glad that I've become a makeup minimalist. I only use five things, like literally five things. So that's all I would in In total. In total five things. What are they? Foundation, NARS foundation, bronzer.

It's like a Tarte bronzer. NARS blush that I've used for probably like five years. Is it work guys one? Highlight, that's four and mascara. And then the like things I use three brushes and a sponge and setting spray. I don't use primer. I don't use eyeliner, lip liner. I don't use brow stuff.

Like I literally- You don't line your lips? No. Honey, I've been lining these things since I knew what lip liner was. And used to, I would take like Julie or my mom's lipstick like out of their purse and it definitely was not my color. But I would put it on the back seat and that's how I learned to do my lips without needing a mirror.

That's kind of awesome though. That's like genius. You know, I've been learning since the early days. That's like genius. You know, I've been learning since the early days. I have a sleepover follow-up and I saw this article on today.com and I actually saw other places too but felt like this was the most accurate article. It says, Dad accused of drugging girls at his 12-year-old daughter's sleepover. Did you see this? It says, an Oregon dad was arrested for allegedly drugging young girls at his daughter's sleepovers with homemade smoothie. He was a 57-year-old man. He ended up turning

himself in. And in a probable cause affidavit, detectives said that he was responsible for drugs found in the bloodstreams of these 12-year-old girls who were guests of his daughter's sleepover. This happened in August. It says he was indicted on nine counts, three counts of causing another to ingest a controlled substance, three counts of application of a schedule for controlled substance, and another three counts of delivery of controlled substance to a minor. Why did he turn himself in? Were they on to him? Like, did something go on?

So it says that the police went to the hospital on August 26th, so that was like the next day to find three girls who had tested positive for benzos. The controlled substance works as a sedative by calming the nervous system. The girls told police that they had spent the night, the previous night at a home of a friend who obviously like the father was the one who drugged them. And they believe that he drugged the smoothies that they made, that were made for them before they went to sleep. They described him as very involved with their activities during the sleepover. He had taken them to get their

nails done, pick up pizza for dinner, and directed their activities. He said that he was constantly checking on them and rejecting himself into their conversations. The girl said that they played in the sprinklers, went to the hot tub, took showers, got ready for bed at his direction, and they spent a majority of time in the basement where they were doing a spa night watching movies while they did facials. He made orange coconut smoothies, which he insisted that all of the girls drink into servings. He specifically gave each of the girls specific color Reusable straws to distinguish their own drink and he was adamant the girls drink out of their own cups How old were they 12 years old? Where was the mom? I'm wondering if this I didn't get that information

but I'm wondering if he either the mom was like out of town at work or if maybe he was like a divorced dad. See, and this is where I have a problem because not all divorced dads, single dads, just dads in general, they're not all like this. And so you're adding salt to injury, right? Is that how the saying goes? And salt to injury. And I said salt to injury. Salt to injury, of course, addicted. Indicted, adding salt to the wound kind of thing. He is giving all dads a bad rap. He's

giving all, like that's not okay. There are very involved fathers who are not dangerous. And so this is really concerning. But I mean, I'm glad that the 12-year-olds were speaking up and saying exactly what was what because I mean, I know how I was as a 12-year-old. I would have been scared to tell the truth. But I'm wondering if he was willing to admit that he did this, is he willing to admit that he did something to them? Did he do something to admit that he did this, is he willing to admit that he did something to them?

Did he do something to them outside of that? Because there was obviously a reason he was trying to drug them. Well, it said that he had come downstairs at one point and one of the girls pretended to be asleep on the pullout couch and he touched her arm, which draped across her friend, moved the friend to the other side of the bed. And then he made a second trip downstairs and she said that she saw him dim the light and place his finger under her nose

to see if she was soundly asleep and then waved his hand in front of her face. The girl told the police that she was scared, texted her parents, mom, pick me up and say, I have a family emergency, I don't feel safe. I might not respond, but please come and get me. Can you imagine?

Wait, so, oh my God. I saw this, but I knew that you were gonna bring it up. So I figured I wasn't gonna like look too much into it. So wait, did the parents in fact go get their child? Does it say? Yeah, the parents did go get the child. Yeah. And it says that today.com reached out to him

and several of the parents involved and it did not immediately hear back. I just hope what happened here is that the parents going to get that child scared him enough to not do anything, to not move forward with anything else because whatever his fucking plans were, were sinister, not okay, not safe. And that girl is so brave for what she did. So proud of her. But could you imagine being the child of that father and how humiliated you would be and embarrassed and shamed?

You would feel so bad and so sick to your stomach as knowing that you're that child because also, if that was me, my friend's parents as a child and there was no sexual abuse by my parents or step parents, they already didn't want their kids hanging out with me. One specifically was like, she's not allowed over here anymore because her mom never picks her up instead of being a safe space. That was like, because her mom never picks her up instead of being like a safe space that was like, because her mom never picks her up, like she should be over here kind of thing.

Could you imagine if there was the sexual abuse or like the drugging and then they really wouldn't have wanted me involved? And then like, do you get what I'm saying? Like being the protected. So like what if those parents treat her like that? And it's like wanting your kids to stay away from her instead of wanting to protect her. This episode is brought to you by BetterHelp. Let's talk about therapy really quick, because we love it. We've been doing it for years. And it's something that we've just grown accustomed to sharing with you guys, because we love it so much.

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Terms and conditions apply, see site for details. Well, it's so crazy to me. So I've thought like a million scenarios after I started kind of following this. Did this dad like intentionally have this planned ahead of the sleepover or was this something that like happened once all of these girls were there? To me, it sounds very premeditated. Does it sound like that to you too? Oh, 100% because why are you insisting on smoothies? Why are you already like I just,

that feels really weird. To have enough... Because Benzos, is that like Xanax or what is that? Well, it says it's like a sedative. Where would he have gotten that? I'm wondering if he was like prescribed that at some point. Xanax, Librium, Transzine, Diazepam, Valium, Paxapam, Larezapam. This is different than that though. Ceylonapin, Ativan.

So basically what I was on for my eye surgery. Is that what you were on? I took 10 milligrams of Valium, which is Diazepam. Diazepam. I just could not even imagine, I couldn't imagine being the girls, but I could not imagine being the parents that got the text. Like thinking that your kids were in a safe,

thinking your kids were in a safe place, and then all of a sudden you're getting a text that they need to fake like it's a family emergency. Like I would panic. I'm just really, I wonder what conversations the parents had with the child for her to know that like those things and to be, because that does, I do feel like some kids just get naturally naturally know, but then I think other kids have to be taught those things. And I want to know how I can teach my kids to do that. Even if they're,

even if they end up being wrong, I want my kids to be able to, to text me and say, so and so is not safe or I don't feel safe. Like I want, even if it ends up being nothing, I want that to happen. So I wonder what these parents, I wish, I hope if they follow up with like interviews and stuff, I hope if they follow up with like interviews and stuff, I hope those parents specifically come out and say exactly how they taught their daughter to do, like what they taught their daughter to do. Oh yeah. No, I was talking to this anti-trafficking expert on the Southern T yesterday. And she was talking about how from early childhood that you have to start instilling these things

in your children in a way that is age appropriate for them. So when they get to situations like this, they feel comfortable enough to contact you as their parent to be forthcoming about whatever is going on. Because there are a lot of parents that instill so much fear in their children that I could see if it was a child that lived out of fear with their parents that they might not say anything in fear that they would get in trouble.

No, exactly, exactly. So, you know, that is super important. The fact that there were so many girls that were involved in this and it wasn't like it was his daughter and one girl at a sleepover. It was so many kids. How did he think that this was going to go any other way? It said that the girls reached like a blackout state and that they couldn't remember like what it, some of them couldn't remember what it

happened after that. Once they blacked out, they didn't know what had happened. So I could not even imagine being the parents that took their child to the hospital, had to talk to law enforcement. I'm sure there were rape kits that happened. I could not even fucking imagine. Wait. So did the parent whose child texted saying that they didn't feel safe tell the other parents? Or how did that, what do you mean? It didn't go into detail after that child had text her parents what happened with the other children. I don't know. But all of this, I will make sure that this article gets posted because all of the information that today.com released was from the affidavit.

God, I can't even imagine. Oh my gosh, I cannot. And then it went into talking about how there's like this larger debate over sleepovers. And that's what I kind of wanted to get into. It says that parents should be aware when their kids sleep, where their kids sleep, and what's going on in that home prior to agreeing to a sleepover. Ask the host, will older children or siblings or adults be present? Does the home contain any weapons or drugs?

Will the kids be unsupervised or have access to technology?" And it was talking about from an expert saying that a lot of parents might not ask these questions because they're worried about offending other families. That's exactly what I was going to say. Because being offended is one thing, but also just like if someone just like, if someone was like, oh, is there firearms in your home or is there, are they gonna be unsupervised? Will other children be there? Like people don't wanna ask those questions

because they don't wanna hurt their feelings or be told no, because it almost feels like a rejection. Well, so this parenting expert was saying that it's just important to push through the discomfort while it might be uncomfortable for you to have these conversations with another parent, that you can just be very transparent and say, you know, like for my own sanity, you know, we're very specific about our child and I would hope that you would ask these same questions to kind of ease the comfort of the conversation to let them know that you would be willing to answer these questions as well.

And then it was talking about how there is a rise in what I was talking about the sleep unders. It became a trend on TikTok. And it's from parents who are concerned about the risk of sleepovers. And that's basically allowing the child to stay with a friend until the evening and then pick them up and that it kind of enforces that they can have this socialization and they can have this independence without, they can do all of the things that they would be doing at a sleepover just without staying outside of their home. When you said sleep unders, I thought you were going to tell me like kids were wearing

like rompers under their pajamas or something. Because that would be a lot of work to take it off. You know what I mean? That's what I thought you were going with it. I don't do sleepovers. We've talked about it before. Don't like the idea of them. I've allowed a child to stay at my house.

I know the parents very, very well. Quite honestly, I would not let any child in my home if I did not know their parents and have like a personal relationship with the parents just because I don't feel comfortable with that. My kids don't really ask for sleepovers too much. I mean, I think because my house is so chaotic, we used to do sleepovers with very specific people, very specific people. But now, I don't even really like people even coming to my home. It's just too much. I like the idea. I've taken on,

and I've mentioned this before, your take on things is we can go somewhere that has a start and end time. If people are at my house and they're lingering and they're this and they're that, and it's just like, and I don't love that. Lux's cousins can come and stay for six months if they want. I don't give a shit. They're family and I love them to pieces, so that's fine. But everyone else, I feel is, I like the idea of start and time, go somewhere and that's it. Because then there's also no mess that I have to worry about. That's the worst part of it all. I thought that I was going to lose my shit this last Friday, had the whole house clean. I go upstairs, Jackson and his friend are up there and there is water all over everywhere.

And I said, you know what, from this point forward, we are now going back to, we can go to like Stars and Strikes and play at the arcade. We can go to the jump park. We can do whatever, but I can promise you, this is what I'm not gonna be doing, cleaning up water off of the floor from a house that just got cleaned. Yep, yep, yep.

So you just prevent it all. Yeah, solution to everything. Also, most of the people that come in and would like hang out at my house like for hours and hours, like they don't invite me to their house. They don't invite me and my kids to their house. So that's the other thing that I'm like, if every like that's kind of where and I told Kristin this the other day when we were just like on the phone

during like a personal conversation. If things are not reciprocated, I'm no longer doing it. Like I'm just not doing it. And there doesn't have to be hard feelings. It's just like, you don't do this for me or you don't do this. I'm not doing it either. Plain and simple. But I'm like that in every relationship, whether it be a romantic relationship. I teach Jackson that too.

Like you get what you give. So if you're expecting to get something from somebody, then you've got to be able to give on your end too. You wanna go to Target, okay, well, I don't need to go upstairs and find a complete mess because you know what your responsibilities are in this house, like that's with everyone. Yeah, sounds about right.

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was the one that texted me and was like, you have to watch this. It is updates on, you're on VanderSloot, the person, the convicted killer who is responsible for Natalie Holloway's disappearance. He is in fact still incarcerated, imprisoned, whatever you want to call it, in Peru. The updates that I want to tell you are that he was married while in prison. Wait, what? Yes. Like post these crimes he got married? Yes.

He has made a life for himself in prison in Peru. And he's married. He also has a child. They had conjugal visits and he procreated, he has a daughter with a Peruvian citizen. And her name is Lady. And you know, she filed for divorce, but they were in fact married, they did have a child

and he actually is responsible for trying to start a drug ring through prison. I just have so many questions. So this woman knew about the Natalie Holloway situation, the situation with the other woman that he did whatever he did with. She still married him, had a child with him, and then divorced him? She's in the process of divorce, yes. Basically, she said that she didn't wanna believe any of this stuff and that he was a good person

and they ended up having a conjugal visit, but really he is such a master manipulator that he was really using her essentially for the drug ring because people from outside of the prison were wanting to drop stuff, basically use her in order to funnel the drugs or whatever. If you do end up watching it, there's absolutely no updates

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I didn't know that. It's only in state systems. And I just wonder, I've always wondered why. What does that mean? So when someone goes to federal prison versus like a state penitentiary, like what is the difference? Well, because you are found guilty on a state charge versus a federal charge and the federal government does not honor conjugal

visits. I talked to somebody one time about this. Okay, so an example of a state, like give me an example of like a state crime. Okay, so for example, Alec Myrdal, he was charged on felony counts by the state of South Carolina. Okay. But not- The federal government is federal charges. Okay.

Like the- so, like my parents, for example, they're in federal facilities. Alec Myrdal is in a state facility. Okay. Okay. I don't think everybody can get conjugal visits. That's what my next question was, was do all state facilities allow conjugal visits or is that, does that, I'm going to actually Google because I don't, maybe they took them away altogether.

Do what, what states, them away altogether. Do what? What states, what states allow con California, Connecticut, Washington, and New York allow conjugal visits only four states. That's wild. So like what do you just go into a room and you have sex with your partner? Like I don't understand. Okay. So I talked to this person about conjugal visits like a year ago.

And he had served time in the federal system. I think at one point they like honored it in the federal system, but then they took it away. From my understanding, hearing from this person who was incarcerated and he said that they had like these trailers set up at the federal prison. And if they were granted conjugal visits, then basically they could go to these trailers and basically use it as like a shack pad with their significant other. And then that was like on a weekend type thing. And then they came back when the conjugal visit was over and they also used the trailers for people who

had like families and stuff. If somebody had a baby, they could take that child to these trailers over this designated amount of time and they could spend time as a family and then they went back to the facility. The conjugal visits I can't I can't get behind that because I feel like if you're in prison you're deprived of your freedoms and part of being free is being able to have sex. So I just can't get behind that specifically. The family thing I feel is a little bit different because yes, part of being free is having your family, but also the kids didn't ask for that. And so to the kids, it's not fair. Also to your partner who vowed to love you

through better for worse and all of that, like going through, making mistakes, hopefully that it is a mistake and not a pattern. I understand that more. I guess I could understand that. But I guess other than like, if you don't have small children, having like a family time, having family time,

I don't know how I feel about that. I have a completely different take on it. I think that conjugal visits should be allowed. You do? I dohmm, I do. Tell me why. Because here's my opinion on it. Let's say you go to prison on a drug charge and you are sentenced to X amount of time

on this drug charge. Your punishment is for that. I don't believe your punishment should be be because you've got to also consider, let's say you're married and you have this drug charge, you're serving time for that. You have family that's out who is also suffering and serving a sentence alongside you just very differently. And you also have a wife that is also serving a sentence alongside you just very differently. I believe if granted, then they should be allowed to have conjugal visits. I'm so surprised by your take on this.

I'm so I'm shocked. Yeah, I think it should be a thing. I would love to know what other people think if they think that it should be allowed. Speaking of sex and crime, I saw this on the New York Post. Also saw it on TikTok. And all the TikTok lawyers were given their spiel on if they think that this person has any rights to be able to do this, but it says, angry Airbnb host sent guest wife's security photo of him with another woman lawsuit says, eventual Airbnb host took a security photo of her married guest in the company of another female and emailed the image to the man's wife after a failed extortion attempt triggered by bad review according to a lawsuit. This Airbnb host was considered a super host and accusing

basically what ended up happening was this man, you know, like when you go to an Airbnb, you have to list like all the people's names that are coming to the Airbnb and You can't have like over a certain amount of people. So this guy Had people show up at his place. I think they said it was like 13 people and this super host had security camera. So once this host became aware that all of these people were at their home, she said

that she wanted him to pay $960 in fees and penalties for having extra guests and breaking house rules. So when he refused to pay it, she found his wife on Facebook and threatened this man if he did not pay this, then she was going to send this footage to his wife that she found on Facebook. Yes. So the debate on TikTok was,

would he have rights to sue this woman for doing this? And in my opinion, although I don't agree with the actions of what took place and him basically using this Airbnb to cheat, I do believe he has rights to sue her because extortion is illegal. You cannot do that. And if she wanted the $960 that bad,

then she could have sued him for the $960, which she would have just been wasting her time. It would have costed more for her to file a lawsuit than, you know, whatever. But I'm sure there was other remedies other than using this ring footage or surveillance footage and sending it to his wife. You can't correct a wrong with a wrong.

So, and we've all done it, right? Like we've all, none of us are perfect. We've all done that. I get it, but like you can't, like that's, I mean, ultimately you cannot extort someone because they're not paying your fees. You just, the only thing you can do is cut your losses and give them a bad review.

Like there's nothing, there's nothing you can do about it. And that's the risk that you take being an Airbnb owner. So there's like a lot of information. If you guys want to follow this story on this article from the New York Post, it goes into like grave detail about what happened. And then there's also like attachments of the communications. So basically how the conversation started was when she became aware that these other people were there that weren't supposed to be there,

she sent a message to him, I'm assuming like on the Airbnb app, saying that he either needed to add the extra guests or have them leave immediately because they had gotten complaints of disturbances, yelling, profanity in the parking area, and just stating that the home was in a quiet neighborhood and they needed to be able to maintain that. And then what else was said was, I'm very sorry, but so when he responds to this, he

says, I'm very sorry, I haven't violated the no party rule, disturbed neighbors, not cussing and yelling, and all of this stuff. Well, here's my thing. If I am an owner of a home and that is being rented out, and that is how I make income, and I have specific rules, and you violate those rules. Not trying to be rude or a party pooper or whatever, but you violate those rules. There are stipulations that are in place that you're now going to have to pay fees because now I have so much more cleaning that needs to be done outside of probably

the normal cleaning fee. So yes, I'm going to immediately be pissed about that. But am I going to go and hunt this wife, this man's wife down on Facebook and then like send photos? No, I am not. And I get the anger and I get the immediate want to like punish the person for what they did. But the end of the day, like you really do have to like, let's circle back to 2023 with power in the pause. You have to take a step back and be like, what is the ultimate goal here? Are they going to pay the fees? If they don't pay the fees, what is the worst that's going to happen?

You're going to cut your losses and be out a thousand dollars, right? Like bigger picture, if this blows back and you're like, oh fuck, now no one's going to want to stay in your Airbnb because also also, how did you find out that these people were at the house? Like, how did you because also, is that not could that not be like, well, I, you know, in fear of doing any little thing wrong, I don't want to stay at that house. Oh, I know. Well, I just feel like that's taking it a little

fucking far to send. Now now what he was doing was absolutely wrong. Like he should not have been cheating on his wife, but I really don't think it was up to the super host of the Airbnb to like out that situation. And he's a fucking dummy for not just paying the $960 and calling it a day, taking a bad review and moving the hell on. Because now he's got himself in a situation with his wife,

he's gonna be going through divorce likely, all so that he could have a party and be shady at a Airbnb. Like it blew back on everybody truly and the wife, which wasn't fair. So now she's humiliated publicly. Not only did she get cheated on, but now she's humiliated publicly. only that she gets cheated on but now she's humiliated publicly. So correct Everybody fucked up. Correct

Would love to know what other people think about this though. And if you think that he has grounds to sue her for Basically ruining his marriage like motherfucker you ruin your own marriage basically ruining his marriage. Like, motherfucker, you ruined your own marriage. Maybe an extortion charge, but other than that, no. Like, you ruined your own fucking marriage. I don't feel like this is a civil issue at all. No, it's an extortion situation. You know, we love KiwiCo, and it's spring. Sometimes it rains a lot in the spring. So

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which you and I have been to Buckhead together. I know that you stayed in Buckhead, like you stay in Buckhead, you go to Buckhead. And eight men said that they lost consciousness and were robbed of thousands of dollars while out at bars in wealthy Atlanta neighborhoods from November 2021 to last month. I will just tell you that part of town is not what it used to be even just like a couple of years ago. And there is a lot of crime that happens in that part of town now.

And I do feel like, because it isn't a wealthy area, and there are so many young kids that are frequenting these bars that come from wealthy families, people would, in my opinion, target that area, because these kids are likely out drunk, walking around with credit and debit cards

that probably don't have limits. So this is not like wild to me. It's not just women that have to stay safe. It's men too. It's like when you guys are, I mean, but I guess you can't control whether or not you get drugged at a bar. Like you can't control that.

And this article that you're talking about and the sources NBC News, it says that they or not you get drugged at a bar. Like you can't control that. In this article that you're talking about and the sources NBC News, it says that they believe that they were drugged or described feeling abnormally intoxicated shortly before their phones were used to transfer thousands of dollars out of their bank accounts, largely using mobile payments apps such as Venmo, Zelle, Apple Cash, PayPal, and Cash App.

Credit cards were used to make fraudulent purchases. My question on this is how did I get the being drugged and then somebody's phone being taken? But did they have passwords on these phones and how did they send, like I don't use Cash App, I do use Zelle and I don't use Apple pay. Do you not have to have like a password to be able to use that stuff? Well, I know from my phone I don't know how to use L Kristen's the only like if I have this else someone Kristen does I have never used L

Myself in my entire life So I don't know about that one then Mo is automatically logged in at all times Cash app my cash app logged in at all times. Cash app, my cash app logged in at all times. Apple Pay, you have to put in your password or double click on the power button. So I'm not entirely sure, but I have seen like in movies and shows, it's not funny, but it's funny.

They wait until said person, the victim, the target is occupied or out of it when they set their phone down basically on. Locking the phone to not go not put the black screens they don't they don't have to put the password back in like the backlight or whatever. So Kristen says they could have used face ID while they were knocked out. Kristen says they could have used face ID while they were knocked out. So you don't have face ID set up on mine. I just have a password. Lock your shit up. See, what's so weird to me is the very few times that I have been intoxicated.

I do not get to the point where I wouldn't know. Like in fact, I think the handful of times I've been drunk, drunk in my whole life, I'm more paranoid paranoid paranoid about where my phone is Oh 100% and look on my phone. It's locked but on the back it has Like all my cards and my driver's license on there Yeah, because I used to lose my stuff all the time So I bought this little thing from Amazon to like stick it on and I haven't lost a card in like two years since I've had it.

I also have, I don't keep my stuff in there. Unless I have to like run in somewhere, I'll quickly put my ID in my card. It says the Atlanta Police Department is aware of these cases and investigating each while they are not at a point of releasing details on each of these investigations. This person says I can tell you these are cases where you're taking seriously and our investigators are committed to finding who is responsible and apprehending them. Good. Listen, that is why I stay in the area where I live.

I have not been to that area in Atlanta, which used to be like known as one of the safest neighborhoods around. And a couple, I would say within the last five years, I wouldn't feel safe going down there. And I wouldn't even be an intoxicated person. I just wouldn't feel safe in general going down there at night. Right. Right. I mean, be aware of your surroundings, know where you're going. That is the problem I think with,

and I've talked about this with Kristen before, with kids that are in their 20s, they think they're just invincible. They don't understand that anything can happen at any time. And we were all like that at some point of our lives, right? And when I became a mother, I think that's when I became more aware of the things that do actually happen because now you're responsible for another human, right? So you are responsible for making yourself aware if you weren't aware before.

Listen, when I was in college, I would have never thought twice than to go to, to one of these bars and be hanging out and drinking and dancing and doing all this stuff with my friends. The fact that, and I always used to think, Oh, I'm safe if I've got guys around me, but this stuff evidently is also happening to young men too. Yeah. Which is scary. It's really scary. Really, really scary. We have a listener question. We'd love to know your opinion on this. If

your kid got suspended for destruction of school property on their birthday while on probation, would you still make their birthday special? No. Tell me more. No. That was just like a hard no. Yeah, no. I mean, for one, you've already now you it's a pattern. This wasn't a mistake because I do believe in second

and sometimes third chances I do. But when you are already on probation, you've already fucked up. You're already skating on thin ice. So no, if you just know, why are you destroying destroying school property? No, I'm big on that, like, breaking other people's things, even if Jackson was playing with somebody else's toy for, you know, whatever reason, and he broke it, like nothing gave you the right to do that. No, you going up to the school. And doing that,

you better be glad that you're not getting charges pressed against you because what the fuck are you doing? And like what type of property destruction are we talking about? Like, is this like spray painting? Like I have never, that's a question that I would love to ask you. I've never understood like people who go around

and spray paint shit. That's one I've ask you. I've never understood like people who go around and spray paint shit. That's one I've never done. I've definitely never done. Actually, I can't think of a time, I'm not saying I've never done it in my life because I was a troubled teen, but even in my darkest days in high school, I can't think of a time that I ever like destroyed something

of somebody else's. When I was in fourth grade, I like drew on someone's like photo. Drew on somebody's photo? Yeah. What, like in a yearbook? No. Like a drawing at school?

No, like a four by six photo. Would you like to tell us why you did this? Um, truly probably, I mean, I don't truly know the reason. Probably jealousy if I had to guess. It was left at my house. I mean, I don't truly know the reason. Probably jealousy if I had to guess. It was left at my house and I drew, it wasn't, and I wasn't, I didn't act alone. It was somebody else and I was not great with peer pressure at that time. And the mother of the girl whose picture I drew on, she called me and chewed my ass out

and I deserved every fucking minute of it. Plain and simple. I deserved every minute of it. And I mean, she knew my mom wasn't going to do shit about it. She knew my mom wasn't didn't know and didn't care and whatever. But she chewed my ass out and I deserved it. So, I mean, that was the extent of my vandalism experience career. That was like the original burn book like you created it basically. Well, that was really the original burn book. Like you created it basically. Well that was really rude of me to do.

Yes, it was. It was really rude. I have never, I've never gone out of my way to like break anything for, for any reason. I don't, I really don't understand that. I would love to be able to get into the mind of somebody who does do that and what is the reason why. This is so hard because this is a child's birthday, but at the same time, what does that say if you... First of all, that child should have cared more about their birthday before they did whatever they did. So if we're gonna go the natural consequent route, right? But you also want to like drive these consequences home too

because I do think there's a fine line where it's like, okay, now, like I said, now this is a pattern, this was a mistake. It's like, you can acknowledge the child's birthday. You can acknowledge, you know, I love being your mom or I love being your dad or your caretaker, whoever's taking care of this child, right? I love this role that I have in your life. I love you. I'm going to love you through every mistake. You know,

I'm so happy you're here. This is a really trying time, but because of your choosing to do this over and over, you're choosing to act in these ways, we're not going to, we're not going to celebrate your birthday. So it's like, I'm acknowledging, you're choosing to act in these ways, we're not going to celebrate your birthday. So it's like, I'm acknowledging that you're here. I'm acknowledging that I still love you through these mistakes, but we are not going to, outside of acknowledging the birthday and loving you through it, we're not celebrating. And I feel like that would be fair. So we're not doing a cake or anything. I mean, if we had dinner plans to make dinner at home, we could go through with those. But if we were going out to dinner, fuck no. Yeah,

like you, because I can't trust that you're not going to go in and publicly destruct that piece of property. And it's you know what I have to say, maybe this is vain of me. And maybe it's controversial. I don't know. But at that point to like, if you're already on probation and now you've disrupted school property, now you're embarrassing me. And now this is like, people are going to look at me and my parenting.

And normally I wouldn't place any emphasis on that, but it's like, you're embarrassing the fuck out of me now because now I look like I have an out of control child. And a lot of times, whether it's true or not, whether it is poor parenting or not, people do look at the parents and they're like, what is going on? All right, ladies, imagine a bra that you actually want to wear. You probably cannot think of one unless you already own Honeylove. I actually just ordered a bunch of stuff from Honeylove and it just came.

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that we sent you treat yourself to Honeylove because you deserve it. It's so embarrassing. I have a friend who's dealt with some issues with an older child. And she told me probably three weeks ago, she said, he has never been taught to do any of these things that he's doing. Like I have no idea where he's picking it up. I raise him right raise him in the church raise him around a good friend group you know taking him to do all the things and he still is choosing. Make these bad choices and it seems as if no consequence that i ever give is enough to stop him from doing these things. That would be very hard and trying as a parent

to deal with something like that, knowing that you've dedicated all of this time into what you feel is the proper raising of your child, and they're still doing the shit that they should not be doing, and also no better than to be doing the shit that they're doing. Right. And it's hard to look at it that way for some people because they're like, well, why do you care about yourself? But it's like, you question yourself as a parent and it doesn't make it easier when other parents are looking at you or other professionals

and administration are looking at you, like what the fuck are you doing or not doing? But also, so I don't necessarily know whether I believe that people can be born evil because I just don't know how I feel about that. But I do think that there are some people who are just, I don't know if naturally is the right word, but they're defined.

I say there's like born bad seeds. Like they are, like my mom, for example, like I can't think of a better example, you know, than that, but it just is like, I don't think my grandparents did anything wrong with her. I think that she just is the way she is like it just and nothing that they could have done or not done would have prevented the who she is. And so the same can be said for like, I think there's a like a behavioral disorder called something defiant disorder oppositional defiant ODD. Yeah. So we're like, they just are defiant. Yeah. And I don't think that that has anything necessarily to do with the raising. I think

it's just in them. I really don't because I'm just gonna take me and my brother, Kyle, for example, 15 months apart, raised exactly the same way in the same homes and our life paths have been very, very different. You really have to boil it down and look at the personalities like the personality makeup because I always was like a more, I don't want to say like fearful child, but I always had like super anxiety from probably birth.

I can't remember a time that like I wasn't anxious or like feared messing up and just like wanted to be good. And my brother never cared. Like he came out not caring. Okay, so I looked it up. And actually, so you're not born with anxiety. That's like not a thing. That is, that is through experience and experience through experience.

And it's like a secondary situation. But we were wrong. And it actually says that the causes of oppositional defiant disorder are inconsistent discipline, domestic violence, neglect, family instability, something as prevalent or common as divorce can cause ODD, gender temperament, substance abuse disorders, lack of supervision, mental health problems, and poverty. So, I mean, it's possible that somebody who just got divorced or maybe someone's dad got incarcerated or someone's

parent got incarcerated, like those huge changes could maybe fit into the instability situation, but also the temperament. So that one is interesting to me because you can't choose your child's temperament. They're born with that. It's interesting. I mean, look at how many kids that you have. And I'm sure that you can say from birth that each of your kids, some might be similar, but I'm sure some are also different. Each of their temperaments are different, right?

Like my brother never cared if he ever got in trouble at school, like he could go to the principal's office, never feared anything. Me, I was fearful that I was not going to be like student of the month. My kids are all, so far, all of them in different ways, I will say this, are a mix of both. Like they are, what did you say? You're like, you're fearful of of not being student of the month. When Lux got hit last year,

he didn't wanna hit back because he wanted to get student of the month. That was his reasoning for now. But also, he will also defend himself in other situations. And they're all like that. Even when Isaac makes a poor choice, he's very aware of the consequences and he doesn't love them and he's still hurt by them,

but sometimes, so it's just, it's interesting. It's very interesting. Okay, another listener writes in and says, you only get to choose one. 800, credit score, 200 acres of land, $2 million. 200 acres of land, $2 million. 200 acres of land. I mean, I'm big on credit, like, but here's the thing. What if you already have like a really good credit score?

So I'm gonna eliminate that one. 200 acres of land, do you get to choose where you're getting this 200 acres or am I just like in the middle of Wyoming or something? Listen, I don't give a fuck where the land is. I'm buying the land because, or gifted the land or inheriting the land because at the end of the day, that's an investment and you could sell it to a developer.

So in turn, you're gonna get the money. It's generational wealth. You can sit on it, pass it down generations. It's probably gonna become worth more money. And the credit score, during the time that you have the land, you can build your fucking credit score. So to me, I feel like the land here in this situation is kind of like a little bit of all three.

I feel like no matter where the 200 acres of land is, it's gonna be more than $2 million. Yeah, I would guess so. You know? Yeah. And it's like, you can always work on your credit. So I'm going with the 200 acres of land too. Me too, yeah. And then I don't have to fucking see anybody.

You're like, I'll build the house right in the middle. Right down the fucking middle. Me and my fiance are looking at destination weddings. What are your recommendations? I have no idea where to start. Mexico, D.R. Bahamas. As someone who's been to all three, I vote Mexico.

However, keep in mind that currently, right now as we speak, they have a level three travel advisory warning. So if you do end up doing the destination wedding in Mexico, just be mindful of that. Personally, I loved the Dominican Republic, but I wouldn't have a wedding there. Same for the, not the same reasons for the Bahamas. I wouldn't have one in the Bahamas because it's entirely too expensive.

So whether you're eloping or you're having guests there, no matter the number of guests, it's so expensive. Like I went, God, 10, not 10 years ago. I went probably eight years ago and it was so fucking expensive. To me, Mexico is the best option. They have the best all inclusives. They have travel packages that make sense.

They have every type of accommodation for hotels and things for every single budget. So if you're literally going to a destination wedding that is on a fucking budget, very strict budget, they have decent packages for that, but also you can go top of the line too. So I vote Mexico. I'm also going to vote Mexico, but I'm biased because when I was married, that's where I got married. Um, didn't do the whole destination wedding thing. We just did just us. But to me, to your point, it is much more financially costly, uh, are cost-effective than the Bahamas.

And my opinion, it's very expensive to vacation in the Bahamas. In my opinion, it's very expensive to vacation in the Bahamas. And if you are inviting other people, you also have to consider what they can afford. And like some of your guests might be able to afford the Bahamas, but some people that you might want to come might not be able to afford it.

And you wouldn't want that to be the reason as to why they can't come. And one more tip and slash unsolicited advice, because this wasn't part of your question. If you're looking to, whether it's a loatment or having like a small destination wedding where people come, if you're looking at a tropical destination like Mexico,

for the love of God, as a guest, do not book it in the summer, period. It is so hot. I left a wedding this past summer. I think it was less than 48 hours because I was so miserable that it was not even comfortable to sleep in the hotel with the air conditioner on.

So, and I had a room with a swim up pool and I still left in 48, less than 48 hours. No, it's so hot during that time of the year in tropical places like that. I would also unsolicited, but also recommend that as well. Nobody wants to be sticky and like wetting a tire. Absolutely not. And on that note, foul play. I'm currently a breastfeeding mama to my four month old and

I parked to feed him outside my chiropractor's office after my appointment. I was their last appointment so they had already left for the day and I knew I had to pee but had nowhere to go and I knew I wouldn't make it if I drove anywhere. So having the baby in the car equals having a diaper bag equals having diapers. So I unfolded a new diaper on the floor of the front passenger side and squatted in my car and unfolded a new diaper on the floor of the front passenger side and squatted in my car and peed into the diaper. However, as luck would have it, his size one

diapers could not contain my full ass bladder. So I filled up the diaper and also the floor mat of my car. Thank God for the large trash cans at gas stations. And coincidentally, I needed to fill up the car with gas. So now I am down one floor mat. I can't believe this happened and I'm actually too embarrassed to tell my husband about it. Hope y'all got a chuckle. Okay. This might be an unpopular opinion, but if I've got to pee that bad, I'm pulling my, I'm opening up my door, pulling my pants down and squatting on the ground. Like I'm not dicking around with like a diaper or I've heard people like peeing in cups and stuff. First of all, if I tried to pee in a cup,

it would make a fucking mess. So that's never happening. But in terms of like, I'm not, so she must not have the rubber mats. Elijah took my cloth mats out and put rubber mats that like trap all the like, keeps like the mud and stuff. And just cause I have like sports and cleats and stuff like that.

Just get some rubber mats that'll save your floor mats. But also even it, whether I had a cloth one or not, I would have just saved it and then pressure washed it when I got home or had your partner do it and be like, sorry, don't know what happened. It stinks. Um, yeah, I would have just squat down on the ground. I don't give a shit. I'm just, okay.

I do also have to ask this. I'm gonna assume that she doesn't have like the, what are they called? Like weather tech mats or whatever. Cause I also have those and highly recommend if you guys have not invested in this best investment ever when you go to the car wash you can literally just spray them off with water.

It's a no brainer. However, I need to know what the proper way to install them because I got in a debate with somebody about this. This was probably like two weeks ago. Do you put the weather mats on top of your cloth or like carpet mats or do you take the carpet ones out and then put the weather ones on? I'm pretty sure Elijah took my cloth ones out.

I think that's the proper way that you're supposed to do it. However, that is not what I did. Why not? I don't know. Well, actually I do. I do know. I did not want the carpet ones just like hanging around just like in a random place in my garage.

So I just feel like they're safer in there. What if I go to like sell my car at any point and then I don't have those mats because I've lost them. So I just feel like it's the safest option to just put it on top. Okay, okay. You know. I mean, if they end up getting messy,

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