Coffee Convos with Kail Lowry and Lindsie Chrisley - Drunk Driving, Dishwasher Etiquette & More Kohberger

Episode Date: March 20, 2025

CC404: After Lindsie finds a story about a drunk driver causing an accident in Georgia, Kail shares some crazy stories from her childhood regarding her mom's drunk driving. A reddit AITA post about a woman being angry that her boyfriend couldn't cook dinner because dishes weren't washed has Lindsie asking how everyone loads their own dishwasher. A very important topic! Also, who is more pro plastic and paper plates? Because Kail is not. They also give their opinions on some of the Kohberger updates. Lastly, the Facebook group gives us some unhinged stories to read.    Thank you to our sponsor! DraftKings: Download the DraftKings Casino app and sign up with promo code COFFEE.Fast Growing Trees: Get an additional 15% off your first purchase at FastGrowingTrees.com/coffee using the code COFFEE at checkout. Limited time, terms and conditions may apply.IQBar: Get 20% off every IQBar product plus free shipping when you text CONVOS to 64-000. By Texting 64000, you agree to receive recurring automated marketing messages from IQBAR. Message and data rates may apply. No purchase required. Terms apply, available at IQBAR.com. Reply "STOP" to stop, "HELP" for helpProgressive: Visit Progressive.com to learn more RoBody: Find out if you’re covered at Ro.Co/COFFEECONVOS. Go to Ro.Co/Safety for boxed warning and full safety information.Thrive Causemetics: Get an exclusive 20% off your first order when you visit thrivecausemetics.com/COFFEE

I hate gift giving and receiving. Receiving gifts is so weird. What do you say? Thank you. This is coffee convos with Kale Lowry and Lindsey Chrisley. I really want you to be in your feels Kale. That does not interest me whatsoever. I feel very attacked by you. A spirited discussion about motherhood, friendship, family, and life in the public eye. I'm just not with the fakery anymore. There's a fakery bakery around here. Here's Kale and Lindsey. anymore. There's a fakery bakery around here. Here's Kailin Lindsay. Good fucking morning and welcome to Coffee Combo's podcast. How are you Kailin? Good morning. Good. We're good. We're thriving. How are you doing at home? I saw that you went on a little adventure to Tractor Supply. Yeah. I went to tractor supply and ran into Elijah Scott Williams at tractor supply when I was trying to be sneaky. I just know that

he's sick of my shit. That feeling that you get when he's just here for funsies, I think. He's definitely sick. He definitely, when he sees that Yukon rip roaring up and down the streets of Delaware, he's like, fuck that bitch. 100%. 100%. But it's fine. I need everybody to go to Kale's TikTok because the way I was howling at the tractor supply video, when he rounded that fucking aisle and saw you standing there with your two kids. I'm alarmed. He was like a deer in headlights. Like what, what are you doing here? And he thought I

was getting chickens, which I wasn't. What were you doing? Getting ducks? Getting ducks. And then I don't know if you saw when I opened the box for Lux to be like, what should we name them? He jumped back and was like, I thought we were only getting two, but there was four in there. Oh my gosh, you know, ducks shit a lot. The ducks are definitely way messier than the chickens, but they're much more cuddly than the chickens.

Like my ducks, the baby ones that we have right now, like I could cuddle them and they're fine. And like my chickens, they want me to feed them, but they don't want to hang out with me. Can we describe like could cuddle them and they're fine. My chickens, they want me to feed them, but they don't want to hang out with me. Can we describe the cuddle? I'm confused. You know when you first get a puppy and they fall asleep in your hands? Yeah. Then you could just sleep with them and cuddle them. Not all grown dogs do that. Some grown

dogs do that, but not all of them. The ducks will literally fall asleep, like resting on you and you can get them to imprint on you. So like, if you have like a duck or usually, let me not say usually, because I'm not a duck expert, but like if I had one duck that I was like super close with, they would imprint on me. If I took the duck everywhere I went, it will eventually just follow me. So they like bond. Okay. This farm life sounds a little bit crazy. I just got finished. Well, I say I got finished. No, somebody got finished installing my closet for my office. Oh, no one will be seeing my living room and a couple of recordings because my office is going to be fully ready. And I need to tell anybody if you're ever looking for a house

or you're searching for an apartment, make sure that your closet space is functional because my closet space at this house, I had to build every single closet out for it to be functional. That's so annoying. I actually feel that way about this current office that I'm sitting in is like, it's one big room with a teeny, teeny tiny closet that's absolutely not functional. And like there's just stuff everywhere. And it doesn't matter how many times a week I clean this room, like, because it's not functional, I don't have like built-in cabinets. I don't have cabinets in general. Like it's a nightmare.

I'm going to send you a picture of the design that I did because it's basically organizing cubbies that are built into a closet. Yes. Also, I cannot wait to see your office. I'm excited about my office. It's super cute. I have neon signs that says, I think it says recording with the girls. Oh, that's cute. It's super, super cute. Also, if you're ordering patio furniture, be prepared that you're going to be putting it together for roughly five days.

The videos that you sent me over the weekend were probably my favorite videos I've gotten from you in a long time. It's just like happy girl era. Yeah, I love that. And just like the trulies everywhere you go and being happy, being surrounded by people that are entertaining and a good time. And I don't know, I loved them. It's a very good time.

I'm actually going on a little trip this weekend. Oh. Let's call it a rendezvous. We're going to call it a rendezvous? time. I'm actually going on a little trip this weekend. Oh, let's call it a rendezvous. We're gonna call it a rendezvous or we're gonna call it are we gonna call it a vacation? Oh, it could technically be both. Because I'm going on a vacation. Oh, what are you going to do on said vacation? I leave for Turks and Caicos. How much having like while we're gone, I won't be making a baby for sure because I have my I leave for Turks and Caicos. How much stuff are you having while we're gone? I won't be making a baby for sure because I have my tubes out.

So nobody has to worry. You would be that one person. Have you ever heard people getting their tubes tied and then they just show up pregnant? Do you know who Levar Ball is? Yeah. He got his foot amputated and everyone was making jokes saying that if he wants that foot to grow back, it'll grow back. That kind of person.

If I want another baby, my tubes will grow back. I feel like you will manifest that and it will be another set of twins and can't wait to see it. I have to tell you about this crazy shit that I saw on the local news and I specifically saved it for this podcast because I know that you're going to be heated. It says 20 year old DUI driver causes wrong way crash that shut down I 75 and 85. Georgia State Patrol says it says they have charged a 20 year old driver in a wrong way crash on the interstate. This

crash happened around 320 am when I read this I'm like who the fuck's even up at 320 am driving in a vehicle. It says that the trooper spotted a 2012 Mercedes Benz headed north in the southbound HOV lane. The trooper tried to stop the driver who was identified, I'm not going to say the girl's name, but said that she had already crashed into a 2018 Buick Encore. It says- Oh, it's a woman? Yeah, like a girl, a 20-year-old girl.

It says that she failed the DUI test and was found with a fake driver's license. She was charged with driving under the influence, driving on the wrong side of the roadway and possession of a fraudulent driver's license, serious injury by motor vehicle and underage consumption. That's actually infuriating. I don't understand. Like how, how does anyone allow this to be for it to be taken this far? Like what is going on? I'm going to assume because there are several colleges like in the Atlanta area that maybe it was a situation where she was out drinking with her friends, had the fake ID, got behind

the wheel. But the fact that you're driving, like you are so belligerent that you're driving in an HOV lane, like going the wrong direction and smash someone head on. I also don't know why that just automatically I assumed it was a male. Yeah. Why? Why was that the assumption? I don't know, but I'm actually like, this is heartbreaking for everyone that's impacted by this because I, and I think that I have such a hard time with it. Obviously you guys know the relationship and the dynamic with my mom, but the handful of times in my 32

years that I've ever been drinking, I know my limits and it would never cross my mind to get behind a wheel drunk. it would never cross my mind to get behind a wheel drunk like that. It would never, it has never crossed my mind. I mean, there have been several times that I've been out like deer in the fall drinking with my friends, but it's called Uber. I just and I know that alcohol affects everybody differently. And so there might be some reactions to what I'm saying, but I just have always, I have never thought, oh, it's a good idea for me to get behind the wheel ever. Like it's always just, I don't know if DARE worked

when we were kids. I don't know if it was like, I just watched my mom drive with me drunk all the time. And so I know what that looks like and I know what that feels like. My mom's sister was also killed by a drunk driver when she was 16. So like, I just watched my mom drive with me drunk all the time. And so I know what that looks like. And I know what that feels like. My mom's sister was also killed by a drunk driver when she was 16. So like, I think that that's why maybe I have all these reactions, but like 320 and she was by herself. Yeah, she was by herself in the vehicle. That's so crazy. Shut down the freeway from 320 when the accident was reported until 7 a.m. Oh, it says, oh, you don't want to name her. Okay, got it. Well, I hope that the car that she hit, the Buick, I hope that the people driving that are okay. I do have a question though. You said that you've driven in the car with your mom intoxicated

before? Yeah. My entire childhood was like my mom drunk driving. But would you not say anything? Like were you too scared? What could I say? I was like a child and I had to get to and from places. So what was I going to say? But were you scared? Like when you were in the car? Yeah. She's driven us into a ditch. She's gotten into a car. Yeah, girl. A ditch? Uh-huh.

So, like, she hits the ditch, and what are you doing at this time? Just in the passenger seat. Also was in the passenger seat when I was entirely too young. But there was one time she drove right into that ditch. So we lived in this one house that had, like, I don't want to call it a private road, but essentially it was, like, off the main road, and it was, like, this, like,, I don't want to call it a private road, but essentially it was like off the main road and it was like this like long dirt road, right? And it had houses on the dirt road, but it was like off the main road. We were the last house on the left. Wow. That's kind of eerie because I think there's like books and movies, last house

on the left. Um, and so we were the last house and then the, there was like a ditch because that go went into a hill for the next row that was like off the main road. And she drove, it was a white Chevy Blazer, trail Blazer, something like that. It was like old, like real, real fucking old, like from the nineties. And she drove us right into that ditch and it just sat there. I mean, I don't even know how we got out of it. I don't remember how we got out of it or anything, but we sat in that ditch for a long time. And then there was another time my mom, you know, she was driving, got into an accident, had to get staples in

her head. I wasn't in the car for that, for that incident. But yeah, my mom drove drunk all the time. Like I only remember my mom driving drunk. And she drove us to the mall. She drove, I mean, she did not give a single fuck. But like, how was she operating? Like y'all would go to the mall and she was just like walking around. Was she functional like at all? Yeah. Sometimes. Sometimes she was functional. Other times I was like, oh, this is like, I might die today. You know, like it was definitely a mix. There were some times where I was like, okay, she can handle it right now. But then other times I was like, oh, fuck. Like this

is, this is going to be, and there have been times that I called the cops on my mom. I'm like, my mom is driving drunk. She's in this type of car. She's going to work. She's going to... She cut hair. I'm like, she's performing these services while she's under the influence. The cops did not give one single fuck. I think that's absolutely crazy that you are a hairstylist and you're chopping on somebody's

hair and you're just blackout. Yeah. Oh yeah. And there was one time, she was a manager at Great Clips for a good time. And I called and I was like, my mom's like drunk, she's driving, she's in this car, she's a manager at this salon, gave them the location. They physically went there and they were like, no, she's fine. She's functioning. She's fine. I don't know if they just didn't take me seriously because I was a child or I don't know. I imagine your mom probably gave stories like you're troubled or something. Oh, for sure. Of course she did. Of course she did.

I could definitely see Boozy Suzy doing that. Oh, and I was troubled by her. Traumatized. Trauma, Kayle. The trauma. Coffee Combo's podcast is brought to you by Progressive Insurance. Fiscally responsible, financial geniuses, monetary magicians, these are all things people say about drivers who switch their car insurance to progressive and save hundreds. Because Progressive offers discounts for paying These are all things people say about drivers who switch their car insurance to progressive and save hundreds because progressive offers Discounts for paying in full owning a home and more plus you can count on their great customer service to help you when you need it

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20% off all IQ Bar products, plus get free shipping to get your 20% off text convos to 64,000. Text convos to 64,000, that's convos to 64,000. Message and data rates may apply, see terms for details. Outside of that, I also need to ask you, I know that you have told me that you don't let your kids have technology like a lot. I recently, and this same thing happened at this exact time last year where I just like went through the house and have disposed of all devices. Oh. And I don't know if it's like Jackson's growing pattern

that he's like more problematic at this time of year. I think that is like a thing. But when I tell you the difference in child when he has access to zero technology versus the difference with him when he has full access to technology is like a night and day. I also get that same. I don't know if it's the ages or what though, because yeah, you know what, maybe it is because I remember there was a period of time where Isaac, it was like all he wanted to do was be on the devices, right? Like he wanted to be on the he's a PlayStation. He prefers PlayStation when When he got his phone, always, always, always,

always gaming or whatever. It drove me up a wall. Then Lincoln doesn't really have that same problem, but when he has his phone, he wants to play games on his phone all the time. That's literally not any of the reasons why we gave you a phone. right? But he wants to, I don't know, be in the know or whatever. But for Lux and Creed, because of their ages, I just can't give them devices. I bought a PlayStation 5 to try to use as a reward or an incentive. And it sort of backfired, so they don't even play on it because if you're constantly worried about that and nothing else, it's not worth it to me. So I can't.

Jackson used to play Fortnite a lot and loved that game. But some of the conversations that I would hear coming through those mics from other people that were playing with him, I'm like, where are their parents? I think that a lot of parents use gaming systems as like their break, right? Or they let their kids get on the games and they out of sight, out of mind, and they don't really know what's going on. I just don't. And if I see my kids on a game, like if they're like allowed to play it for whatever reason and I see them on it, they're not using the mics.

Oh, I shut that down. Very, very quick. I'm like, if you want to call one of your buddies that you're playing with on the phone that you personally know, but somebody that you have no idea that could be living in fucking Idaho for all you know could be a 60 year old man for all you know. Yep. Absolutely not. Yep. And I ran into that with Isaac.

So I learned real quick with Lincoln. Now Isaac and Lincoln will sometimes play with Elijah once Lux and Creed go to bed. But even that, Isaac's in high school now, so he's like, I can't be bothered. He has other shit to do. But it's a hard balance because I do understand the parents that need to use the gaming and the devices as like a brick, whether it's an iPad or whatever. I think my issue is hours on end that they're being allowed to play on them. 1000%. So we have a little box that is not to be opened until May. It is labeled and

we're going to focus on school and family time. I love that. I love that because your school ends in May, right? Like Jackson's done by May. Yeah. We're done like the second week of June. So not too far off, but also that's a really good idea. Like even Lux last night, he was like, Oh, I did all my reading. Can I go play on the game? And it's like, you could be doing other stuff.

It's just like that time of the year that I don't know about y'all's weather because it's probably colder there, but we've had a string of nice days. Like spring is sprung here. And it's like we have a long driveway. We have a hoop. We have stuff to do outside. We go places. We're constantly doing things at this time of the year. We don't need to be like stowed up in our bedrooms playing Fortnite. I agree. Actually, shockingly, my kids said to me yesterday when I picked them up, because it was nice out,

can we go do farm chores? And I was like, unfortunately, we have other stuff to do right now, and they're sort of already taken care of. But my kids have associated now good weather with going outside to help Elijah or me. But in the mornings, like during the school year, I mean, we're sort of like on a very strict schedule. So unless they're getting up at four o'clock in the morning to do farm tours.

Four o'clock in the morning. Absolutely. There is nothing that's getting me up at four a.m. No, same. And I'm not like, that would be the only way they would be able to help in the morning during the school day. So but no, because then they would be able to help in the morning during the school day. But no, because then they would be absolute tiny terrors by the end of the day. So are farm chores always done at the same time every day? Yeah. Generally speaking, Elijah goes out and does them pretty much the same time. But like yesterday when the pigs got castrated, they couldn't. Wait, what? Like yesterday when the pigs got castrated, they couldn't.

The pigs got castrated yesterday, so they didn't get fed at regular time because he was just going to feed all the animals at the same time. So remember when you told me about having goats and you just like tie their balls and they fall off? Yeah. I thought that was such an interesting thing because I still don't understand it. I need to know if that's what happens with pigs also. Well, that's what I thought was happening.

I wasn't concerned, had absolutely no care in the world. It was just like, okay, the vet is recommending the pigs get castrated or whatever. Turns out they use pliers and drills. Wait, what? Yeah. They get put to sleep and they use pliers and drills. Wait, what? Yeah. They get put to sleep and they use pliers and drills. Where are they using those? So, they... Trigger warning for anyone listening, this is a little bit hard to hear. So, the

vet will put them to sleep and then does an incision, pops the ball out, and then the pliers are hooked to the drill, they clamp it, and then instead of stitching up the incision, they use the pliers and the drill to twist it shut. That's what should happen to cheaters. You know what I mean? I do. I do know what you mean? I do. I do know what you mean. I agree. I'm like, that would probably stop a lot of men from doing it. Yeah.

Yeah. Or at the very least creating babies that have to be in the middle of all of the cheating shit storms. 1000%. Glad that I haven't been involved with kid with cheating. Speaking of relationships, woman upset that her boyfriend didn't make dinner as promised. Women gets upset that her boyfriend who works from home didn't make dinner as he promised. A woman said that she was upset she came home to an empty plate after she asked her boyfriend

who works from home to prepare dinner. They're 23 years old. And this was like, am I the asshole forum on Reddit? And it says, quote, I usually come home to cook and I really don't mind it at all. The woman wrote adding today, my boyfriend said he would cook as I told him I was really hungry during work. And she got very irritated and went straight to the kitchen and started cooking. The boyfriend saw that he was upset and was going to cook because he was waiting for the maid to come and wash the pots. She only came at 3pm and in her head she said, why can't you wash the one pot? They're not speaking. She said that it sort of makes her more mad because he had no excuse not to wash the pot. It's her birthday tomorrow.

I'm confused. It's literally my birthday tomorrow and he's not even talking to me currently. You know what? That's giving gaslighter. That's giving if your man can't get his shit together to wash a pot and make dinner because that is the division of responsibilities on that day. If this is how he's acting, he can't wash a pot because the maid. The maid didn't come? I just don't know how sustainable that relationship is. It's definitely giving breaking up.

So is she the asshole or is he? They're both asshole. Kind of feel like they're both the asshole because who just doesn't cook dinner because there's a dirty pot? I mean, just wash it. What do you have in made when you're 23 and 26? I need to know what careers you have. For sure. That is what I was wondering as well because I don't think I had help at 23. Actually, I know for a fact I didn't have help at 23. My dishwasher actually, as it stands right now, is that I don't have a working dishwasher. We've had to wash our

dishes by hand for the past month. Are you planning on getting that fixed? Yeah. We had to order it because it's cafe appliances. Also, if anyone's in the building process or renovating process, my recommendation for cafe appliances, although they look very, very pretty and they're very aesthetically pleasing, I do not recommend them whatsoever. They are cheaply made. The knobs on my stove have been an absolute nightmare, like basically stripping. They don't work. The knobs have, you know, the fridge has been, they look so nice, but they're just- I loved when you sent me, like, I was a little bit, not like jealous because like I was so

happy for you that you were getting those, but it's like, what I feel like is so like aesthetically pleasing to the eye that everybody in this world would want it. And so when you got it, and I still had not found a house, I'm like, oh, I'm also getting cafe appliances, but the house that I ended up buying has KitchenAid. And I've had great success with these appliances have had no issues whatsoever. And they aren't what I would say as chic as your appliances. I do have a working dishwasher.

Like we've been here for three years, like just hit three years and the dishwasher is has been broken for probably over a month to be honest. I would never recommend them. They look great. They're cheaply made. The quality sucks. I would wholeheartedly go back to Whirlpool or KitchenAid. I think there's like Viking is supposed to be like top of the line stainless steel. That's what I would do if I build again. I would never do cafe appliances. Just in fact, actually, it's been almost three months.

Oh, perfect. So, Elijah has been washing the dishes for a lot longer by hand than I have because I've only been helping for the last month. I wasn't aware that it's been that long. So needless to say, I've had an issue with my dishwasher that was not even three years old. So, and it sounds like whatever, like I have all these kids, like, of course I run the dishwasher a lot, but like for as much as cafe appliances are there significantly more expensive than regular quality, good quality stainless steel and they are shit products.

I really feel like you're paying for the aesthetic. You're not paying for the functionality of said product. We were actually having a conversation about dishwashers on the Southern Tea not too long ago. And I need to know, do you fully rinse everything off and put it in your dishwasher? Or are you a, if it has like a little bit of like crusties on it, like you put it in there?

No, I try my best to wash off everything I can. Unless it's like a little bit of like crusties on it, like you put it in there. No, I try my best to wash off everything I can, unless it's like a sauce or something that's like very little. But I try not to, only because we do run the dishwasher a lot or we were running the dishwasher a lot and we have so many kids, so we really do try to take off what we can. Are you a professional dishwasher stacker or does it just like go in there however it

goes in? No, I am very meticulous when I put stuff in the dishwasher, it has to go in a certain way because I want to make sure that it gets washed right and like sanitized correctly. Because if you don't face them a certain way or like, I know that certain people put their silverware with like the part that goes in your mouth on, they put it down. So it's like the part that goes in your mouth, they do it this way. Oh, well I do it up because it makes sense that it would like down, but I do put knives in the other way. Yeah. But like your forks and spoons, I put them with like the utensil part up because that's what's going to get cleaned where like if you put

it down, all that junk is going to be, I'm up, not down for forks and spoons. Yeah, exactly. Because you're going to rinse all that stuff down and anything that is on them is going to go to the bottom. But I think so many people put them in this way. Did you know that Fast Growing Trees is the biggest online nursery in the US with thousands of different plants and over 2 million happy customers? They have all the plants your yard needs, like fruit trees, privacy trees,

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just me and Elijah or just me and one child, I don't think I'd give a shit. But because there's so many of us eating dinner at one time and I am not a plastic plate person, anyone who knows me knows that I really don't like to use plastic or paper plates on a regular basis where like, I feel like everybody's house that I go to, that's their standard. They use paper plates so they don't have to do the dishes, they don't have to stack the dishwasher or whatever. My kids and I, I would say nine times out of 10 or six days out of seven in a week, we are eating off of our glass plates that go in the dishwasher.

I have to be strategic for nine people on how these things are going in the dishwasher. Plus we have sippy cups now. So we have to be strategic. We played Tetris with the dishwasher. So it's interesting because I feel like people would assume that you were more of a throwaway plater. No, and you are. I am. Yeah. But when I was trying to become like an environmentalist, I was like, you know what, we shouldn't use these like all the time. We should only use these like in a pinch where I'm not having time to like load the dishwasher

don't want dishes sitting in the sink. We'll use it. Bitch, I used to use paper plates like Like that was my job. Like Chinat, which is like a fancier version of like paper plates. That's what I buy. So it looks nice. Like, you know, just like aesthetics. I don't know what that is. Chinat. Yeah, I have no idea what that is. Well, you're not a paper plate connoisseur then. Oh, can you send pictures later so I know what that is? Okay, perfect.

I can. And also if I'm buying like plastic forks and knives, I buy the ones that are like gold or silver. Wait, you need to post, we're going to have Ali post these to our Instagram story with your Amazon link so people can order your Chinet. Yes. Well, Kristen says that she's a Dixie bitch. See, I can get behind Dixie for like a backyard barbecue. But I can't get behind that for like inside the house. It needs to look pleasing.

Fair. And I really don't like the ones that have like the design around the edge because it just is giving like a yeah, I would agree. Kristen says the foam plates. Oh my God, the cheap ass kind. Listen, I just like, I will say this though. Our so our renters moved out. I don't know if I told you that. Um, which was, um, Elijah's cousin cam and her husband twizz who Twizz is Elijah's best friend. We've been really, really sad about it. It's been like a really sad couple weeks and it's been rough. So they, we would just like walk over to each other's houses, mainly them coming

here because we have way more kids, but they like left one plate at my house and it's such a good quality plate. And I'm like, I don't know where this is, but like that's my favorite plate to use. And it's like a glass plate, right? And I'm like, what is going on? Because I spent a lot of money on like my dishes that I have. And I spent a lot of, and she said she got hers from the dollar store. Okay. See, I feel like people would think that I would be more of like the fancy spender on kitchen stuff and you probably wouldn't. So that's very interesting to me too. I got mine from Target, but bitch was on a budget. Like when I got divorced, I had to rebuy absolutely

everything. So it was like these little gray, like chic looking plates from Target are going to be just fine. Listen, I don't care where they're from. If they're good quality, I'll take them. Oh, and this is also interesting since we're on this topic of like plates, silverware. My boyfriend told me he was like, Lindsay. Excuse me? What? What did you just say? I said, my boyfriend, um, he was like, Lindsay, you don't have enough like forks and knives

that if people came over here to eat, like everybody wouldn't have a fork and a knife. And I said, first of all, people aren't coming over here to eat. Secondly, I am a minimalist like that. Like I do not want to have 12 different sets of forks and knives. Like everything has to match. I cannot do the mix match shit. No, I can't either. That's why I'm like, I literally just texted Kim and I was like, where did you say the plate I like is from? And she said dollar general. But I want now I want like, there's nine of us, I probably would have to get a I would

have to get a 12 set, a 12 piece set. But you don't need you need like a six or an eight because you really don't like having people over and it's you and Jackson and now your boyfriend that I wasn't aware of. You were aware of you said the videos, but I didn't know it was official. Well you think that I'm just hanging out with some random man at my house that's not my boyfriend? Well, I thought maybe it was like unofficial talking phase, like what is this? You know what I mean? So when do I get to meet him?

Well, if we ever do any more live shows, he's committed that he's coming. Yeah, he's going to be our co-host. He's actually a really funny person. I believe that after the videos I saw this weekend. He has like the most, have you ever like met somebody that has the most infectious laugh that when they laugh, like you laugh? Yes. Yeah.

He's like, okay, what are we calling him? I haven't decided. We'll come up with that. We'll come up with something good. Because the vermin dad and trampoline dad. Why is it just like always dads? Because they're all dads. No shit. But I'm just saying like why is everybody just a dad that you know is appealing to me? Is it because they're dads? Yeah, because what else? We would just call them trampoline guy. That doesn't make sense. Trampoline dad made sense because he was a dad at the trampoline park and like hot neighbor

was hot neighbor because he didn't have any children. Because if it was if he was a dad, it would have been like neighbor dad. You know what I mean? Yeah. And that just doesn't go. No, it doesn't. Wait. Are you turning that house that is Elijah Scott Williams' house into like, what if you made your kids daycare there? It's like, hey, I don't want to pay for daycare anymore so you guys can go up the driveway.

Yeah. We're renovating it. I'm trying to convince him we should just knock it down and rebuild, but he's not having it. Oh, are we in a spat over it? Not a spat. I wouldn't call it a spat. I would just say that we have very different visions.

So I know that I've talked about this before, but just to refresh everyone's memory, this used to be an old farm and our properties were not subdivided. One person owned all, I think it's like 10 acres or 12 acres, something like that. When it was subdivided, the way the shapes are of the subdivisions are really fucking weird. Where my house is compared to where all his buildings are, and by buildings, I mean that the original farmer to this property had a store, a garage, an outhouse with a toilet, the actual farmhouse that they lived in, a three car garage, like all this like, and like the collection of buildings is just like really ugly and weird. Why is it a farmer thing? Yeah, and like, I don't think anyone at that time was worried about aesthetics. They were just worried about functionality and making sure that they had the buildings for whatever they were using

them for. But in today's society where aesthetic, curb appeal matters. It really does. It will increase or decrease the value of the homes around you and stuff. I do think that, I think he has a total of 10 buildings on four acres. This is very much giving my mom's parents and their country people, and if they run out of space or something, they just build a new building. That's, and it wasn't Elijah that did it. So I don't want anyone to be like, what was he thinking? It truly is giving that, the original people to this land were like, oh, we don't have this, We'll just throw up a building. And so like those, just like the setup of it. So my thought was, I just told, like originally was like, okay,

we'll just renovate the house. We'll knock down the buildings and just have like one good one. Like we'll put up one good pole barn. That's like storage, you know, base for cars or whatever the heck he's going to do with it. But then, you know, when Kim and Twizz moved out and I, you know, they told me like all the work that needs to be done. I was like, I don't, it might not even be worth it to renovate. Like this needs to be like a full tear down and rebuild sort of deal. I'm telling you that remember back when I was married and will wanted to like live in a fixer upper. that time. There's truly nothing wrong with a fixer upper. I just don't really have the personality to

be able to fix shit. I can't fix anything. I also just feel like it's just easier just move in a house where you don't have to fix stuff. The cost to renovate when we looked into this versus getting something newly built is significantly cheaper to get something newly built than to renovate. What we have to do, and Elijah, that's the other thing, is he wants to do it himself, which is fine. I don't care, but the amount of time that it's going to take for him to renovate himself versus having to either get a team in here to renovate or to knock it down and rebuild, we won't have renters for 18 months.

If we had a whole crew to come in and do it, that's a completely different story. So we'd be able to get a crew in, then get renters in. But the way it will end up being a full rebuild by the time we rip the house down to the studs, because when I tell you that every aspect of it needs to be, it's not like a quick kitchen remodel that I'm talking about. It's not like a quick bathroom remodel that I'm talking about. I'm talking like we have to rip this house to the studs and even then some of those might even come down. So at that point, is it worth saving? You know what? To protect myself from Elijah Scott, I'm not going to have an answer for

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do you look at your children sleeping ever? And you're like, they're the most like- Angelic. Angelic, like saints that I have ever seen. And then immediately when their eyes open, it's like- Tiny tears. It comes out. Yeah, all the time, all the time.

So I take pictures of Jackson sleeping all the time because I'm like, these are really good memories that like I need to have to save myself from sending you to a boy's farm. Yup. Yup. So I posted on my Instagram this photo of Jackson and I'm like, this hand position is like a genetic hand position. Do you also do it? I also do it. And multiple people in my family sleep like that. So I just always saw this is just like something

Genetic that the Chris Lee's do you know didn't know other people did this so within minutes I had like a slew of messages where people were like that's called Dinosaur hands and I had never heard of this shit before it says that If there's one thing I know in this article that I found says that if there's one thing I know in this article that I found, it says, if there's one thing I know about autistic people and ADHD people, comfort is paramount. We do things to our bodies to make us feel safer, feel more regulated and less awkward. And sometimes it may even look awkward and feeling and it makes us feel natural and it feels good to us. That's where the dinosaur hands comes from. It says, what are dinosaur hands and what does it mean to sleep with dinosaur

hands? This is an unofficial term described as posture in which individuals sleep with their wrists bent inwards towards their body and with their hands curled up resembling claws of a dinosaur. When you sent me that, I was like, that's how I sleep. So it was really interesting because I had never heard of it. I knew that I always did it and I've always done it since I was a small child. But I didn't know that there was, I didn't think of it as like a genetic thing at all. I just thought it was something I did. So to find out that like you guys do it too,

that's so interesting. Dinosaur hands, like what? Kristin said ADHD and autism, it's very common. All the articles, because I looked at a ton of stuff yesterday because I was mind blown, had no idea what this was. And surprise, because I've done a ton of research, but that's just something that I didn't think would be something correlated. But it says that it's super common in the neurodivergent community. I don't see a flux does it. You're literally walking around your house spying on your kids while they're sleeping. You're like, what the fuck is wrong with you?

Literally checking them one by one in their beds. Like, are you sleeping with dinosaur hands? They go on your phone and they see all these pictures of them sleeping and you're like, I'm doing market research. Yeah, I don't think any of my kids, maybe Isaac, but Isaac's more of like an OCD. Completely unrelated to that. Have you been following this new Brian Coburger? I so the only update that we briefly mentioned, I think on one of the more recent episodes was about his team asking for the death penalty to be off the table because he is on the autism

spectrum. And that was like the furthest update. update. I did see the update, I guess. That's not the only update. The other update that I saw was about the text messages of Dylan texting, and then those transcripts were released. So, back to the report that Coburger's lawyers filed that he was on the spectrum. There was an article that came out about that that says that autism makes him ineligible for the death penalty. It says in a recent motion titled To Strike Death Penalty, Autism Spectrum Disorder, the attorney Ann Taylor argued that sentencing Coburger to death should he be found guilty and the quadruple homicide would be a violation of

the Eighth Amendment. She specifically referenced a 2002 Atkins v. Virginia U.S. Supreme Court ruling which bars those with intellectual disabilities from being executed for a crime. Okay. It says that he was formally diagnosed with autism spectrum disorder last month. It says he continues to exhibit all of the core diagnostic features of ASD currently with significant impact on his daily life. While autism is not technically classified as a disability, Taylor argued that it should be in this case specifically citing the fact that Coburger had difficulty communicating about the case with his legal team. I'm not going to sit here and say that he's not on the autism spectrum, but if he was

diagnosed last month, his parents never suspected that he should, you know, should be evaluated like at any point up to up until now. I just feel like there's been multiple things that have come out about them trying to avoid death penalty. I can't help but to think, were they looking for a diagnosis to be able to file this? Like, I don't know. Like I put nothing past Coburger. Here's the thing, and I'm not saying this is the case.

I'm just saying that this is what I know about the prosecution and the defense in criminal trials is that there's going to be a defense psychiatrist or psychologist, and there's also going to be a prosecuting psychologist or psychiatrist that are going to say two different things and they're supposed to have the same background and the same training. And that is something that I brought up on an episode with Beth Karis, who is a legal analyst. That was one of the things that we brought up, and I had said that to her and she was like, you would think that when they're getting the same sort of training and studying and they go to college

and the clinical psychology should be the same. Why do they have such differing opinions? I cannot understand how this is just now happening. Like his parents never had any evaluations done his entire childhood. That leads me to believe that it might not even be an accurate diagnosis. What's really weird too, and I told you this, I think over a text not too long ago, that we never hear anything about the mom.

His mom. Yeah. Do we hear anything about his dad though really either outside of? I think the reports that we heard about him was because he drove back with him from school to home. I'm going to Google his parents. Brian Coburn. I don't even know what his mom looks like, but I know what his dad looks like. Brian Coburn. That's so close to home too, from where I'm from. Both parents worked. Dad had retired. The focus was education for their three children so that he has two siblings.

I knew that. Two sisters, right? Apparently there's a book that has been done. Okay. Yeah. New book makes bone chilling revelations about Brian Coburger's real target in University of Idaho murders. Wasn't that book written by a journalist or something? When the night comes falling, a requiem, I don't know if I'm pronouncing that word right, for the Idaho student murders, Howard Bloom or Blum. Yeah, I think he said journalist good journalist, maybe for like New York Times or something.

Is the blood dripping from the concrete? Is that a real picture from the Idaho Four House? Kristen says yes. That's wild. I'm not seeing anything about his parents specifically. So also, the text messages that came out, I would love to know your thoughts on the text and the 911 call. I did not hear the 911 call. I did see the text messages that Dylan was texting during the entire time and that she definitely knew that someone was in the house that wasn't supposed to be there, which is very curious. I have complicated feelings

about it because I know that we briefly talked about her possibly being under the influence and she might not be able to stand trial because she was under the influence of alcohol, which doesn't make her a credible or reliable source. Or maybe she is credible, but she's not reliable in the eyes of the jury. But what makes me really nervous about it is that she was capable of texting and knowing and seeing somebody, but not calling 911. And so I don't understand. I have called 911 for far less. You know what I mean?

When I thought somebody was in my house. Actually, when we first moved into this house When I thought somebody was in my house. Actually, when we first moved into this house, I thought someone was in here. But it turned out that I had left the back door open and my dog pulled the handle down to go outside. Then the door stayed open. I was really freaked out. That was before Elijah and I were together. I've called the police for far less. I don't understand understand if you're scared and you think you saw someone, you did not call for help. But then I also understand, I don't want a victim shame because she is truly a victim

and she still went through this with the rest of them. And so I want to give credit where credit is due, for lack of better words. It's not her fault that this occurred. So I struggle with all of it. I don't understand it. Like why you didn't call 911 as soon as you saw this person. So the text messages said that one of the girls saw or thought that they saw a masked man moving through the house. And she described, Dylan described the mask as resembling a ski mask. I do know that there was some information that came out about how Under Armour was on

a list of possible like retailers with like Walmart and other stuff. And I saw that on this girl that I follow on Instagram, Ashley Mary. She had posted a ski mask from Under Armour and she's like, this could be potentially why that was part of the receipts or whatever that the defense was using. So like, was he wearing a ski mask when he was in there? Like at any point that I saw somebody walking through a house that I could not identify wearing a ski mask or any type of black mask or just any person that I didn't fucking know, I'm calling 911. That's what I'm saying. It's hard for me. I get what people are saying. Don't shame these people.

They're survivors. It's not fair to do that. How can we not question that? You're able to text other people in the house during that time, but you're not calling 911, which I don't understand, and into the following day into the afternoon. Well, and what I also couldn't understand, and maybe Kristin knows more about this, but the day that they did call 911, they said that one of the girls was unresponsive. If one of the girls was unresponsive, but if it was as gruesome as what has been described, why was there nothing said on the 911 call about it was clear that she was not alive?

There would have been if they went into the room where she was. To my knowledge, they sent somebody else into the room. So somebody else that was not living in the house went into the room and was relaying information to the other people is what I gathered. Kristin said, I believe from what I have read is that Ethan's best friend found the bodies and didn't tell anyone, just said, passed out and call 911. So maybe he was, I'm playing devil's advocate here. Maybe Ethan's best friend goes in, sees how awful it is, doesn't want to maybe alert or incite more panic and just says they're passed out to try to get EMS there.

But clearly it was more than that when there's blood dripping out of the house. Again, I can't help. I'll get a lot of backlash and I'll take it because I'm standing 10 toes down on the fact that you were sober enough to text other people about what was going on in the home, but you could not text 911 at the time that you were texting. You couldn't call 911. You couldn't call for... I do not understand that. Also, I know that you had sent me something over the weekend about the documents that

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combos trip or… I think that these kids, from what I understand, were affiliated with Greek life. Yeah, but you have to think, even if you brush, if you just brush someone's hand, you're not getting their DNA under your nails. How would DNA get under the nails? If I pick up my child, like Rio, right? I didn't touch a single person on Sunday, but I might have picked up Rio. His DNA is not under my nails.

Then what's your theory? You think that more than Coburger was involved? Because I do not think that at all. I'm conflicted on a second person being involved because I do feel like something would have come out by now. And I think the more people that are involved, the higher the risk of someone talking or alleging or even just a theory that somebody else was attached to this. And I do think for a long time, I did think that he did not act alone. At this point, it's possible that he acted alone, but I just don't understand the why for the surviving roommates, specifically, I guess, Dylan. Was Dylan the surviving, that was her name?

Dylan and Bethany, I think. So if there's three and there's Brian, Dylan and Bethany, that's three people. You honestly think that those two girls could have potentially, I don't. No, I don't. I don't know. It's so hard. I don't understand the motive or anything. Did this guy have friends?

Did Brian Coburger have friends? Is he linked to anybody as a friend? I don't know. And also, anybody as a friend? And also where's his roommate? Like let, or not his roommate, his cellmate. Like can we get information from his cellmate? Like where is he being? How is his cellmate? I would imagine that he's probably like in a cell isolated by himself. Because Casey Anthony's cellmate has talked and said that Casey's hurt. Yeah. So like that's why I ask. If there was somebody else, I do think that Brian Coburger would

have probably said something by now. I don't know necessarily if he would, because it would implicate him as well. But I think that something would have come out about it. These girls never said one time that they saw Dylan who saw the masked person. She never referenced anybody else. She said a masked person or a masked man. I'm not seeing a whole lot about his family. Brian Coburger sisters. Let's see.

I feel like the sisters, at least one of the sisters feels like he did it. Oh, it says the New York Post wrote an article about Brian Coburger's sisters were fired for connection to the alleged killer. Actually, I thought it was like a psychiatrist or psychologist or something. Fired from their jobs over their familial relationship with their alleged killer brother. Melissa and Amanda Coburger were canned in the months after their brother's arrest for the quadruple slangs for the four University of Ohio students last year. Obviously, this is an old article.

Both of Coburger's parents are retired and I'm told the family is in very, very bad shape financially, right now especially because the sisters are now unemployed. We know that even his sisters just being related to Koberger is really taking a toll on their livelihood. I also read somewhere that this happened after he did not get a job at the police department that he had applied for. And some people had theories that maybe because he did not get that job, that could have potentially been the motive to see what he could get away with without them being able to uncover it. And I'm like, that's a lot of people to do that to just be doing something out of spite. Yeah. I don't know that that makes, yeah, why them too, I don't know.

I don't know. I just wanna be like. I wanna go to the trial. I just wanna talk to Brian Koberger. Like I want to talk to him. I want him to trust me and give me information. I just don't understand. Like I won't know that even if he was,

even if he were to give an answer or reason or whatever, we're never going to be able to wrap our heads around it. We're never going to be able to understand it. I don't think it's something to be understood. I think the trial just needs to happen and I think it just needs to get over, but I am very fearful that he's going to get away with it. very fearful that he's going to get away with it? I don't know if he will. I don't know if he will. The evidence that it... We talked about this too is like, you look at the cases like Scott Peterson, who has all of the circumstantial evidence against him and he gets convicted. Then you have Casey Anthony has all of this circumstantial evidence that is stacked against her and it cannot be circumstantial

evidence anymore and she is acquitted. Same for O.J. Simpson. So it literally could go either way. Part of me says that the prosecutor has enough that has not been released that he will be convicted. But then there's also part of me that says he's got a damn good attorney. Who's paying for the attorney? I can't find pictures of Coburger's parents. His attorney is a public defender. And Taylor. And could you imagine if she did win this case just in a hypothetical situation, what that would do for her career? I know that sounds just terrible, but could you just imagine being a defense

attorney for somebody who you thought did it? I want to see what his parents look like though. I see his dad. What's going through their heads at this point? Do they think he's innocent? Because I feel like I know when my when my children are lying, like I feel like I know I get this feeling. And with something this serious, I don't think that I could live in denial like in a state of denial. And you know, when they did that search warrant on the parents house, that they were watching the house for a period of time before they went in. And they saw him either go out to the vehicle or to the garage. And they were watching the kitchen where he was placing

things in plastic bags. Why? Because he was trying not to get caught. Did you see the difference in his... Oh, and Kristen said they also saw him putting the stuff in neighbor's trash cans as well, like before they went in and arrested. My school played his school in sports. What?

My high school played his high school in sports. That's honestly terrifying. I'm looking at the yearbook picture from, I think it's a senior picture at Pleasant Valley High School compared with his picture like today. And it's giving psychotic break or possibly drugs. Oh, well, I do know that it's been said that there was a potential drug problem. Right, Kristin? That came out like a long time ago, I feel like. Because I mean, his school high school picture, his yearbook picture, he looks like a very normal high school senior. He looks very normal. But then you look at pictures of him today,

and you're like, Oh, yikes, you didn't age well. I don't know. I feel like he went through an extreme weight loss journey. I heard that he had a really weird diet. Drugs was a potential, I think somebody alleged that. I also heard that he was bullied in high school. I mean, his senior picture, I don't know why he was bullied because the senior picture looks hot. I mean, his high school picture is not bad. I'm about to show you go look at the group text.

It's actually it's actually good looking in high school, which is terrifying to know that like, somebody could have slept with him and like he could have killed them. Kill. Where would you say he's hot in high school? I didn't say he was hot. I just said he was a normal looking senior. What's really weird is look at how much older like he looks from one to the other and it's not that many years. He did not age well and it looks it's giving like something is wrong on the right side

picture, but the left picture looks like a very normal senior picture. And I mean, what's really weird too is look at how much bushy are his eyebrows are. Do men's eyebrows grow like that? I don't know. That's why I'm like, I'm so confused. But then if you look at these pictures, the weight loss from what looks like an underclassmen photo compared with the senior one, I'm like, I don't know what's going on here.

Oh, wow. Yeah, that's a photo that I saw a long, long time ago. And then he like had this like really weird diet and like super clean person, like possible OCD stuff. I do not age well. I'll say that. I will also say that. We are not. Why are you sending me? Because I'm just shook.

Like it doesn't even look like the same person. Well, it's giving psychotic break. It's just not. Yeah. But moving on, we have a couple of listener topics. We're not going to have a ton of time to get through these because we're already over time. But since we don't have foul play, I thought some of these would be fun. This girl says in the Facebook group, can we start a thread where we post the most unhinged shit that we've ever did or experienced and hope that Kayle and Lindsay read them? This one was really good. My father-in-law is down for whatever. This lady ran into me in a parking

lot and lied about having insurance, so he keyed up her car. One time, he stole my neighbor's bird from their porch because they weren't taking care of it. He has been known to leave dog poop on people's porches at his apartment complex if they don't pick it up. Probably the most unhinged thing that I've done is mirroring into this family. I mean, yeah, sounds like it.

Do you remember like back in the day when it was like popular to toilet paper people's houses? Yes, I do remember that. And people also would put like dog shit in bags and like light it on fire on your porch. Do you remember that? Yes. I can promise you, if anybody ever lit dog shit on fire and put it on my porch. Do you remember that? Yes. Yes. I can promise you if anybody ever lit dog shit on fire and put it on my porch the way that I would receive a felony. Isn't that

wild? Like I didn't even know that dog shit lit on fire. Yeah, I guess. I guess paper bag with the dog shit in it. I mean, regardless of how you look at it, what's actually being lit on fire, the idea that anyone had to do that reminds me of a psychotic break. Like what made you think that lighting dog shit on fire was like the thing to do? I don't know. I think people thought it was funny, but it's really not funny. Also, this father-in-law is giving that bitch off of fried green tomatoes. Have you watched that? Like where she's in the parking lot and these girls go into the parking space that she's been circling for, for hours, what feels like. And they said

that they were younger and faster and she rams into the car and she's like, I'm older and I've got better insurance. Like this is definitely giving that. I can definitely also say that keying somebody's car is also a psychotic break. I have never, right hand to God, never keyed someone's car. Why would you do that? Kristen said that she absolutely has keyed someone's car. Why would you do that? Kristin said that she absolutely has keyed someone's vehicle. Oh, I wonder why. Well, can't prove it now.

Kristin outs herself a lot. Better her than me. Okay, the last one. This girl says, okay, so this was in 2022. I had been dating this guy for a year and a half long distance. He started acting kind of funny. And I started noticing some girl loving all of his Facebook and Instagram posts. So he took a short trip to grippy sock land. And while he was in grippy sock land, I decided to message her and ask how she knew him. Turns out that he had been dating her for two months. But that's not

all she discovered that he also had a wife. So the same day that we figured this out, he was scheduled to call her from the Grippy Sock Hospital. So I drove four and a half hours to her house so that we can confront him over the phone together. She and I are still friends. The wife divorced him. He ended up meeting and getting engaged to another girl who last year he went to actual

jail for assaulting her. Me and the girlfriend number two dodge big bullets. Big big bullets. I'm glad they're still friends though. You know, I've been friends with remember that one person that I dated and then I became friends with the girl that he was cheating on me with but she he was actually cheating on her with me. Yes. Remember that?

But like, yeah, I do remember that. I'll never forget. Um, I feel like that's the thing to do. Like if you're being cheated on, then it's probably not the other girls problem. It's, it's definitely him. So just become friends. It's definitely him. It's fine. Like I will, I will become friends with any person. I don't even care if I like wouldn't like them in real life. Like I will still friends with any person. I don't even care if I wouldn't like them in real life. I will still become their friend because you fucked me over. Do you think that's the same as befriending someone who you mutually hate? I don't really know that I could hate somebody.

You fucked him. Why do I hate you for that? No. like, I mean, you fucked him. Like, why do I hate you for that? No, like I'm saying, like if me and you bonded because we hated the same person. Oh, yeah. Okay. I'm trying to bond over that. I don't like that, though. You and I have a bond over hating certain people. Can you type them in the chat, please?

Yeah, I feel like I have one in mind. Oh, yep. And one more. Do we hate? Oh, yep. Yep. We're on the same page, but we were already friends though. Like we didn't become friends because we don't like them. Like we always just hate the same people.

Kristen said this is about to get sticky. But we didn't become friends because we hate them. We are friends and then we hate them. And hate's a strong word, but yeah, I don't know. When you're fucked over by the same man or woman in a relationship type of context, like a cheating scandal, I think it's a lot different than all of a sudden becoming butt buddies with someone who you hate. You know what I mean? Like a random person. 1000% agree. I also love that we hate the same people. Thank you guys for always supporting

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