Coffee Convos with Kail Lowry and Lindsie Chrisley - Eloping Rumors & Ding-Dong Ditching a Doomsday Prepper

Episode Date: July 21, 2025

CC426: On this month's bonus episode, Lindsie clears up the 'secret' wedding rumors and Kail shares some health concerns. Also, Lindsie channels her inner menace to help Jackson achieve his ding dong ditching dreams. Kail will not be participating in doomsday prepping! Lastly, a hilarious Foul Play involving a workplace bully will have smelling your cubicle chair.Thank you to our sponsors!Branch Basics: Get 15% off Branch Basics with the code Coffee at https://branchbasics.com/Coffee #branchbasicspodGoPure Beauty: Get 25% Off @goPure with code Coffee at https://www.gopurebeauty.com/Coffee #goPurepodSKIMS: Check out the Fits Everybody Collection at https://www.skims.com/coffee #skimspartnerStride K-12: Go to K12.com/COFFEECONVOS today to find a tuition-free K12-powered school near youSee Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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A spirited discussion about motherhood, friendship, family and life in the public eye. I'm just not with the fakery anymore. There's a fakery bakery around here. Here's Kale and Lindsay. Hello Lindsay. Hey Kat. Lindsay Landsman, as I should call you,

because I am important to pick with you, okay? So I get on social media, just fucking lollygagging around and I see Lindsay Landsman on your Instagram. And then I see you did a photo shoot at the beach with a man and Jackson and you're in a white dress. And I'm like, okay, this is not adding up. And then I get on TikTok last night and I see a TikTok of someone I have no idea who she is

and she's showing your hand with a diamond on it. And I'm like, hmm, how did this woman get her hands on this? And Lindsay hasn't told me. I said it to my friend and that person was like, she still hasn't told you yet. So are you married? Did you elope and not tell anyone? I can confirm that I am absolutely not married. Okay.

I'm not married. There's a bigger story to the decisions that I made on social. Okay. story to the decisions that I made on social. Okay. That's a private conversation that you and I can have because I don't want to cry. Okay. But to answer your question, no, and I would not secretly go and get married and not tell my inner friend group of all people. Well, so that brought up some feelings about my own decisions, right? Because I have

had major things happen in my life and I chose, specifically, we'll use pregnancy, for example, and then also when I got married to Javi, we had gone through Justice of the Peace before I, before we actually had a big wedding and we didn't tell anyone. And then MTV released, I think through In Touch magazine at the time, like an announcement that we were married, but we, I hadn't even told my family and that was something I did want to share with them first. But I say all that to say it brought up some feelings that I had about my own decisions to like my pregnancies, like when I didn't want to tell anyone. And I have a cousin who sent me like a long, long

message. It was like really hurt by the fact that like, I didn't tell her. And so I kind of had to take a step back from like, I was seeing the TikTok obviously, and then the Instagram and the name change and everything. And I'm like, on one hand, I'm not offended in any way, shape or form, whatever the private conversation is,

because at the end of the day, like you have to make decisions that are best for you. And so my feelings are not hurt. But then on the other hand, it was like, damn, if she did get married, like I'm sad that you didn't wanna tell me. Like I'm sad, like cool, go alone. I don't have to be invited to the wedding,

but like I was sad that you didn't tell me, but like also like I'm not gonna end our friendship over it. You know what I mean? Wait, so there was actually an article that was just like speculation about this. And, you know, did I get married? Did I not get married? And I thought it was funny because it said in the article that it would not be something that would be out of the norm for me to go and go to elope because it's something that I've done before.

And I just think that like that whole narrative is crazy. That's what was played out on Chrisley Knows Best, but it in fact was not true. Like I view elopement as you privately go off, you get married and no one knows about it. Absolutely everyone knew about my engagement. We're personally told about my engagement. We had an almost year long engagement and then we're also told about wedding plans.

My initial plans were not to go to Mexico and get married. My initial plans were to plan a wedding. I feel like every, and I don't know if it's just like being from the south, but I feel like every like little girl's dream that I grew up with is like have this big to do wedding. And so I, I don't want to say I wanted a big to do because I just don't think that that's who I am. But I definitely wanted a celebration. And when I realized that my mom knew about it and my dad knew about it,

them being at the same place at the same time probably wouldn't have been in my best interest. And so we had just made the decision to go in a lope. I had the conversation standing in my 700 and something square foot apartment with my dad in my closet, letting him know that we were going to the courthouse to get married and that we had plans to go to Mexico to do it alone. So that is not an elopement. So you're saying like an elopement is like nobody knows.

That's how I view it. Like, I feel like eloping is like, even if you tell people and you just go do it and no one's invited, that's still an eloping. Okay. I just view it, I guess, because I did let people know about it, it wasn't a secret in the way that it played out

to the world. Like it was made out to be that like, this was like a secretive marriage, but it absolutely was not. So you're not married. I am not married. When we get done with recording, I would rather have the conversation with you privately before having the conversation with however many people listen to this. Fair. But I would not leave you out of a wedding or an engagement.

You know what? I would understand if you did. I just was like, it was mixed feelings. And then I understood where my cousin was coming from. It was just a lot of like, damn, did she tell Instagram before me? Oh my God. Not Instagram. Instagram be knowing. It was just a lot of like, damn, did she tell Instagram before me? Oh my God, not Instagram. Instagram be knowing. Okay, so we have a new segment on this show.

Did you know about it? I heard about it this morning and I'm game for it. I just don't know how prepared I came. I don't know how in depth we're going. Okay, so this new segment is called screenshots I will never delete. We hope that you guys like this, but some of the stuff that I screenshot is absolutely unhinged. So it kind of makes me afraid for myself. And if I ever died, if somebody ever saw my phone and the screenshots that were in there. I hope they just like wouldn't hate me upon my

death. So the idea behind this is that we're going to show the screenshot and then we're going to share the story with the screenshot. Okay, what is what the fuck is this screenshot? Studies show one out of every five men are secretly gay. I screenshotted that because I have a theory that I think even more than that, more than one out of five.

And it doesn't matter because love is uncensored. We don't care. No, I definitely give no fucks about it. But it makes me sad for the men in society who feel like they can't come out. And so I screenshot it that because I was blown away. But like, why are we secretly gay in 2025? We all just need to, you know, law-abundance centered. Yeah. You know, screenshot. Okay, well, I didn't send it because I didn't want y'all to see it like ahead of time. But my screenshot is a text message and it says, lucky they didn't get shot. I had my gun locked, loaded and pointed at the door.

Do you want to share with the class what the context of that conversation is and why you started talking about that? First of all, who do you think sent me that? Was it Will? It was. It was Will. It was Sly Willie. So Jackson had a sleepover with two of his best friends this weekend at my house, which

I'm going to talk to you about that in a second. We went to an arcade and on the way back, it was like a little bit before 9 o'clock. PM or AM? PM. Do you think I'm going to be at a fucking arcade at 9 AM? Let me tell you something. With Rio Versa Valley, we're resetting at 9 AM. We've already been up for three hours and we're resetting.

So yes, you might be. No ma'am, not with 12 year old boys. So we're on our way home and the path that I would take from this arcade to get home, I would pass Will's neighborhood. So Jackson's been wanting to ding dong ditch people. And I told him, I said, no, you can't just like ding dong ditch random people. Like it's not a nice thing to do. So because his friends were in the car, I was like, actually, this is a perfect opportunity. I know Will is

not going to be the getaway driver. Oh, I was I was the getaway driver. Okay, they made me caught my light. Like, this was this was not a regular mom. You're a cool mom. I'm a cool mom. So as we're approaching Will's house, they're like, stop the car. Stop the car. Your car cannot be seen because he'll know it's us. So they bolt off through the yard. Jackson took a baseball out of my car and he was using it to bang hard on the door. Then they rang the doorbell 95 times and then they run back to the car.

And they're like, go, Mom, like, go turn around. I'm like, Okay, I literally have no headlights on right now because y'all made me turn them off. And now you're asking me to put this Bronco and fucking reverse. Like, I do not want to do this. Not the Bronco. So they get out about five or six more times and do this. Ringing the doorbell knocking on the door with the baseball. Jackson actually enters the basement, which I didn't know about. Will has construction going on down there. There was a metal rod that fell. I'm like, he is scared shitless

in that fucking house. He thinks that there is a robber here. On the seventh time that they came back, they were like, he saw us, he saw us. And I said, how do you know that he saw you? And Jackson goes, Oh, because I know my dad's fingers and I saw him peeking through the blinds. So they go back again, I don't know who was more scared, Will or him scaring the shit out of them when they opened the door. They came to my car screaming and I had to pull in his driveway to get back on the main roads where I was going. And he looked at me and he goes, Hey, Lindsey. Hey, Lindsey. Not until the next morning

did I receive the text, lucky they didn't get shot. I had my gun locked and loaded and pointed at the door. He was scared he was shaking in his boots. So I just sent a lot of ha ha text messages and I said they wanted to ding dong ditch someone so bad. I felt like this was the best choice. He said someone who goes to bed early and is heavily armed is not a good decision. Can't picture will heavily armed at all. Like what are you armed with?

Fucking water guns, water balloons? You remember me telling you about Will being a doomsday prepper? Don't remember. Wait, what? Is he a doomsday prepper? Bitch, he pissed me off so bad when we were married because I like- Does he can his like, does he can jelly and stuff like Jarrett? No, ma'am. I think he was buying like canned stuff from the

store. He got into this doomsday prepping backpack shit. And I would go into the garage and there would be all these random bags of like stuff and I do not like clutter like, honey, I'm just telling you that if something happens in this world that backpack with your fucking packs of tuna and rope is not going to help us. Like packs of tuna and rope. What are you talking about? Is that what is that what he's doomsday prepping?

He had all kinds of random shit in there like rope, carabiners, like all kinds of fucking random shit in these backpacks. And I'm like, can you stop? All right, y'all have you ever thought about what you're actually cleaning with in your home because most conventional cleaning products are packed with hidden chemicals and ingredients that are not even required to be listed on the label. And these chemicals can contribute to respiratory issues, skin irritation, hormone disruption, and even long-term health problems, especially for those with sensitivities or conditions like eczema, acne, or autoimmune

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Like, do not come to me. me like y'all can use the house of survival. I'm going to be taking out. Oh my god. Okay. You know, I have, I have regularly thought okay so back when he was like doing this doomsday prepper thing I think it was around the time that like one of the purges came out. Remember that movie? It gives me so much anxiety. I feel like I would survive a purge. I'm number one on a lot of people's list. I can think of one particularly that loves social media. That'll be what takes you out in the purge. No, but for a purge though, like do I think I could survive like with all the things that we need to like Lock ourselves up. Do I think I could survive in that way? Yes. Do I think that people are coming for me?

1000% they're here before the bell rings Kristen said I can think of three off the top of my dome and listed proceeded to lift list four They're not my not all my baby daddy's so yeah I would agree all of those people oh wait we forgot um we forgot this one this one oh you do have quite you told me they they want to be able to say they got killed the amount of people like just hide now Don't wait for the purge. Don't wait, I just fucking off myself. Okay, but wait, do you not remember,

I can't remember what year this was of life, but people who are listening to this, they'll be able to tell us, I'm sure. Do you remember the videos that people were like, putting racks and like shelves and shit in their garages and they were overstocking on like laundry detergent, toilet paper, like this was well before COVID. This was when like doomsday prepping was

was all over TV, like cable TV was like having shows about it. I feel like I feel like there was like a show about it, like an actual show about like about different people who choose to do doomsday prep. Something tells me that there's going to be very little time. I've heard rumors that there's a meteor that's supposed to take us out in 7,000 years or something. Right?

Well, the Bible says that there will be a natural disaster, I think, of water or something. Right? Well, the Bible says that there will be like a natural disaster I think of water or fire. So I'm not around for that. Could you imagine? No. Like just burn me like a chicken nugget. Like I don't want to live through that. I don't want to live through it because starting over it like, yeah, human, the humankind starting over sounds like a nightmare to me. But back to the pew pew. Pew pew. Yeah, there's a lot of those over at that, that location. I probably shouldn't have selected to fuck with him, of all people, but-

But it was a safe situation, So I could get behind that. I think that if you're gonna ding dong ditch because so Jackson and Lincoln must be very similar because Lincoln begs me when we stay at hotels, he wants to ding dong ditch and like you literally cannot do that. ding dong ding dong ditching someone you know, I feel like is the like happy medium. So I feel like it was still fun for y'all Okay, but when you were growing up, did you like egg people's houses or TP them?

Anything like that. I've never participated in egging or TPing. I I think the only house that I ever we call it rolled here but it's like TP only house I ever did that to was I went to a private Christian school and I did it to the president of the school's house did you get caught no so this is the first time you're admitting it? Yes. Wait. Yeah. President? The president of the school. I rolled his house. His son was a grade above me and I was just like, hmm, I can get away with this because we could just say junior, senior wars. And you did? And I did. I went to Kroger. I stocked up. Yeah, Kroger. My friend was the getaway car.

Yeah, I've never done anything. Yeah. And I told Jackson, he was like, I want to do that to somebody's house so bad. And I said, okay, but here's the thing. Um, when junior senior wars come about and you're not doing it before then, then you can only do it to people who are like game for this also. You can't just go and roll somebody's random, like some random person's house. Also, if that is the case, I'm going to get with all the other moms and y'all are going to be on cleanup crew jointly together when y'all decide to do this.

Right. So it's like, okay, if we're going to do this, we got to plan ahead and everyone needs to get together for cleanup. Because if my kids are TPing a house and my house gets TPed, I'm not fucking cleaning that up. So great, have your fun and TPing someone's house is mostly harmless. Y'all can come clean it up after. Wait, I have to ask you something about your house. Did you get all your trees planted?

Yes. And if you did, was it enough trees for full privacy? I have eight trees. I'll post a picture on Coffee Combo's story. It's not for full. I probably need about eight more for full privacy. You said you have 16. Oh, I only got eight so far. So you- But they're all planted. The eight that I have are planted already. Okay, well, you and I picked very, very different things from Fast Growing Trees. And it was so comical to me to see some of your videos versus what I got.

And it's like, we're definitely two different people. Well, so I was thinking that too, when you were unboxing all of your stuff from from the company. And part of it is because you live in like a residential area. So you're more and my guess is that you're more concerned about like making it look cute. So far. For me, I live on a old farm. So I have to like create the barriers like I have to create the privacy fence with the trees and then I can do create the privacy fence with the trees, and then I can do

the cutesy plants for next to my house. Do you know what I mean? Yeah. You're just a little bit far away from starting that project. Yeah. And also, I want to get, while we're on the subject of fast growing trees and a privacy, I'm basically creating a privacy fence with trees. So for those of you guys listening who can't see us and like don't know what I'm describing, I'll post pictures on the Coffee Cabos Instagram story and I'll probably actually also put them on my own personal. Um, I got like, um, Cypress trees, um, green giants and they're like, their purpose for me is to create like a privacy fence. But that being said, I have, people

are asking for a new house update. I have decided that I'm probably going to hold off on the build because I'm not in a place to build a house when I'm about to start building a business, which is three months behind. And then on top of it, I just love where I live right now. I think the cost-efficient makes the most sense for me to put a pole barn, like a barn to minimum on the property I live on. I think that's a great solution because now you're giving me slight PTSD when you decided to move to that huge house. And then you got there and you were like,

yeah, this ain't it for me. It was just too much to maintain and like keep up with. I just wonder how many people who are listening to this, if they would change their living situation based on the amount of kids that they have, if you feel like you're like crowded and cluttered, or would you rather just live in your regular living arrangements? Because Will and I used to say all the time,

when we sold our first house and moved to a larger home, we were like, some days, we would do anything to just have that little house back. Life is simpler. we would do anything to just have that little house back. Life is simpler. Yeah, and I mean, it was like nothing special, like three bedroom little house, two bath, like nothing extravagant. We lived there for a long period of time.

The mortgage was so low. That's like also what I'm thinking about is like, okay, great, I can go build this fantastic house live the best life on that 20 acres, I'm going to keep the land, I'm not going to sell it or anything. But the extra money that would go towards the mortgage, I will maybe have to scale back on the trips that we take, I would rather live in a smaller house to take the trips that we take and not have to, you know what I mean? But like, would you rather start over and have to have a higher payment and then not

take the trips because I'm choosing the trips all day long? Well, and to write like Elliot, by the time we would move into that, I'm not saying I'm never going to build another house. I just right now I feel like this is home, right? Like that will always just be a house. Like if we build a house on that property to the size that we need with all the things that we want, Elliot also won't be coming home from college.

He'll be going to his mom's house. That's not gonna be where he grew up. It's not gonna be where he spent a lot of his time. It's not gonna be, he's not going to be where he grew up. It's not going to be where he spent a lot of his time. He's not going to be coming home. He'll be, oh, where are you going for break? When his friends ask him, where are you going for break? And he's like, I'm going to my mom's house. It's not going to be like I'm going home. No, I get that too. And I really think that that's so interesting. And I'm wondering if any of that is like some of your trauma. Maybe. Also, oh my God, wait, completely switching gears unrelated to all of this.

Did you see, I think I sent it to you, about James Patterson writing a book based on the Idaho Four murders? Yes. Yes. Are we ordering it? Are we reading it? We're ordering it, we're reading it. I will join book club with you for that.

Um, that being said, I did read some comments that people were saying it was a comment or a video or something that I gave them the itch by saying that I wanted Brian Coburger to like write a book and come on the podcast and stuff. Why would I give someone like that a platform? Um, it's a weird position to be in because I'm in a place where that is literally my job, but also here he has a platform. So with or without me saying that I want him on the podcast, or if he ever came on the

podcast, which I think is wishful thinking anyway, um, he already has a platform. So I don't understand the mentality of people saying like, why are you and I giving people platforms? Why are we doing this? Why are we doing that? They already have it. Mm-hmm. Before Skims, underwear was always an afterthought for me, and I would focus more on what I was wearing on the outside and think that, like, a new outfit or a jacket

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so much out there about him and we're all so interested. Like we have been invested in this for years and it's not to give him any type of notoriety, but to get answers. To get answers. And I apologize if I gave anyone the ick. It wasn't meant to do that at all. But I agree. I want to know because the victims deserve, the victim's families deserve to know. And it's fascinating, but I didn't realize that it was that icky. There are some conspiracy theories that are going around right now regarding that after he pled guilty, that he had studied another killer. And it's very similar. And in that, that other killer also had problems with women.

Um, so I started watching I think it's on Hulu maybe I know prime something last night. I don't know what it was. It might have been. It's four parts right. It's the new documentary. No, I think it's an older one. I don't know but I started watching it and I got halfway through episode one or halfway through whatever it is.

Oh, I think it's on Hulu. I don't think it's a new thing. And I might have seen it before, but sort of like refreshing my memory on what was going on. And it brought me back to the Beth Karras episode of Barely Famous, where she tells me that at some point circumstantial evidence is no longer circumstantial. It is cold hard evidence. And after seeing that first part of whatever I was watching last night It reminded me I must have forgot or I didn't know Brian Coburger circled that house. I think they said like four times Turned off his phone Circled the house came back

Afterwards so like I don't know if I never knew that I don't know if I never knew that. I don't know if I forgot those details because I was like, oh, he's going to get acquitted. Like the evidence is just not enough. There is more than enough evidence. And I didn't realize there was a snap on the knife sheet. There was like a button. That's where the evidence came from, or not the evidence, the DNA profile came from, and I didn't realize that either. Okay, so I need you to watch, if we're gonna talk about this, I need you to watch the new documentary

that came out on Amazon Prime. Okay, I'm gonna check two, I'm gonna check two. Because there's so much information in that I am on episode three and there's four episodes. There's so much information and I just feel like it brings realness to the case because there are parents and siblings that participated in that documentary. And so you get to hear them for the first time too. And it discusses the Facebook. What was it? Popper, Papa Roger, whatever. Remember that

Facebook that was made up? And it's so eerie. Like in this new documentary, they do a side by side of the photo of what Coburger looks like, like his profile. And then it almost looks like an AI generated military style photo that was on this Facebook. And the knife sheath was actually discussed in a true crime group from that account all the way back in November when this initially went down. And so some of the true crimers, we've talked about them being such sleuths and solving all these cases. It was so interesting to me that they immediately, once he was arrested, knew that it was him because he had referenced the knife sheath on Facebook in that group. Yes, ma'am. I also don't know if I knew this and forgot or it was new information that Kaylee told

people that she thought she had a stalker. Why did I not know that? That was in what I watched last night was that she mentioned it to people that she had a stalker. Kristin said the Facebook name was called Papa Rogers. I've never heard of that. And it was just so eerie watching that new documentary versus anything else that's come out because anything else that has come out, if you are like a deep diver and an investigator,

you can find out all of that information. But just hearing from the families and the siblings, it was just so real. I'm going to watch it because I was invested and then I fell asleep so hard. I have something that I want to talk to you about, and actually I've been wanting to talk about this for weeks. I saw this article on parents.com and it's titled the rise of the revenge meal, why parents are sneaking off to secretly snack.

And it says in cars, closets, bathrooms nationwide, a quiet trend is taking over called revenge eating. This is the surprising reason why you might find yourself binging your favorite treats away from your kids. Because your kids will steal everything. My twins will literally steal my protein shake out of my hands in the morning. Yesterday, I tried to eat a Kit Kat bar. Kids took it from me. Kids are taking right out of our mouths.

I just think back when Jackson was little, I've always shared everything with him and it does not bother me at all. But I have some fellow mom friends that they're like, no. I am making my kid whatever and that's what they're having and I'm not sharing. I mean, even the other night David made salmon on my grill and Jackson was like, I want to buy to that. And he was just like eating off of our plate. And it doesn't bother me.

It doesn't bother me unless it's something that like, someone just gave me like maybe it's like, they brought brought it just for me. I still wouldn't. I just give it to them. I don't care. Like I'm not going to complain about it. But like I'm complaining now but I'm not going to complain about it when I'm doing it. You know what I'm saying?

You're like, complaining about it after the fact that you did it. Yeah, like, somebody, Elliot brought home a Reese's thing for me. And I think half of it went to the kids and it was just like, cool, it's fine. Like, whatever. See but yours is a different situation because you have so many kids that by the time you share you have nothing left. Exactly. But if it's just one, I could see why it wouldn't bother anyone. So it says revenge bedtime procrastination, the late night hours parents spend scrolling TikTok or binging Hulu after the kids are asleep is a well-known phenomenon.

But now a quieter trend is taking hold is taking hold in exhausted households nationwide called revenge meals. Revenge meals are rarely glamorous. They might involve candy stash under napkins and car arm rests, venti-sized Frappuccinos between daycare drop-off in the office or double cheeseburgers eaten in secret. Similar to revenge bedtime procrastination, these meals offer a sense of control for many parents. double cheeseburgers eaten in secret. Similar to revenge bedtime procrastination, these

meals offer a sense of control for many parents, they represent one of the few moments in the day not dictated by their children's routines, needs or preferences. Speaking of that, yesterday I had to take Rio to the doctor and I'll tell you about that in a second. And he kept pointing at something and I'm like, what are you pointing at? Like, what are you pointing at? The box. And I'm like, the box. Like, what is it?

He's talking about the center console because I used to have like candy and stuff in there. Yeah. Like he knew where the stash was and he kept saying, he said the box, the box. And I was like, no, I don't have candy in there anymore. I don't keep candy in there anymore. I don't keep it in there anymore. But that reminded me of what I wanted to tell you about taking Rio to the doctor. So last year, I had someone come to the house to do the ISR swimming lessons, right? I'm gonna follow the bouncing ball

here for anyone listening, maybe you guys can relate and it's I'm going to make a short story long because I want to give you background. Love the swimming lessons. It really for Maybe you guys can relate and it's I'm gonna make a short story long because I want to give you back round Mm-hmm Loved the swimming lessons. It really for us like Creed can swim without a life without a life vest at this point. I'm not saying that I let him do that But he can Rio can too. However, that being said

He developed what I thought was like a little hernia above his belly button. And I thought it was from the ISR swim lessons because he has to roll over and float on his back. And so I thought the stress of that created this like little lump that looked like a hernia. So last year I took him to the doctor and they were like, oh, you know, like, it's fine. It'll resolve itself. It's not a big deal. Send him on his way. It'll, we'll figure it out. Cool. No problem.

This year, over the past couple of weeks, I've noticed this protruding out of his abdomen. And I'm going to send you a picture because I want to get your reaction to it. Oh my goodness. You see it? Yeah. And in the one, if you zoom in, it sort of looks discolored a little bit. It looks like if you the one that's like more front on. And I'll show I'll post these on the stories because it's darker around that area. Yeah. So I was like, I text Elijah, I'm like, Hey, I gotta, I gotta call the pediatrician and get him in for this. Because like, at this point, like, I don't know what it is worse than it was last year. So we go to the pediatrician

and the pediatrician is like, this is not a hernia. I'm going to get you in for ultrasound ASAP. Or I think she said stat. So I was like, okay, they call me, they're like, we have an opening at 1245. So we go to the pediatrician and then we go over to ultrasound. And then the ultrasound came back and they're like, this is definitely not a hernia. So this is what showed up on the ultrasound. And I got the notes that came with it. I'm like, okay, so will someone call me with the results or whatever? And the tech was like, oh, I don't know if they're going to. I don't know if they'll call you, but it will be in your like online chart, whatever.

So no one has read me to this day. Like right now, as I'm telling you this, no one has read me the results. Nobody has read me what this means. And so on the like chart thing that I logged into, it says, uh, Reniform nodule in the area of interest consists consistent with lymph node, the differential include granuloma or complex cyst, neoplas or complex cysts, neoplasia cannot be excluded. Neoplasia cannot be excluded and neoplasia is a tumor. So that cannot be excluded. And obviously as a mom, the first thing that my stomach sunk and I was like, what the fuck? What do you mean it cannot be excluded? And then it says options are clinical follow up or tissue diagnosis, which I think a tissue

diagnosis would be a biopsy, which is fine. My aunt is a pathologist in Pennsylvania. I texted it to her and she told me, she was like, if they're going to sedate him to do a biopsy, have them just remove the whole thing. Yep. So that's what we're going to do. But I'm waiting from actually have to call general surgery to make an appointment with them to have them look at it. I say all this to say, when it comes to your health, check

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Even if it worst case scenario is a tumor, it could be benign. 1000%. But as a mom, I don't know if you're the same, I always think of worst case scenario. Like I am very much a, what do you call it? Pessimist? Like pessimist. I feel like it's a, I don't tip. A lot of people will see it as a pessimist. I don't. Remember way back when I told you about molluscum? Yes. And it was like those growths and I saw it in Jackson's hair. I didn't see it anywhere else. It was just in his head. And

the way that I mentally could not even operate until I could get him to the pediatrician and then they referred him to the dermatologist to get rid of it, I was so afraid that it was like many tumors everywhere. No, but I get it. It's like your mind just goes there. That's where your mind goes. But now looking back on it, I'm like, that's so insane for me to make my mind believe that these were many tumors because it all came on so fast. And it's weird. You said that it was like one size, and then now it's a different size. Do you think that it could be potential because he's growing? I don't know, because before it was more like a lump. Now it's like an actual hard round firm

ball. I was going to ask you that. Is it like jelly like or hard? No. Like as soon as the pediatrician felt it, she was like, this is not a hernia. Like she knew right off the bat. Because I had a hernia after I had Jackson and I feel like those are very easily diagnosed and they're kind of, I don't want to like give anybody the ick, but it's kind of like squishy to the touch. Oh, okay. Yeah, his is firm. Like it's hard. Yeah. Um, I will say I'm glad that it's not an umbilical

hernia because that's the worst surgery that I've ever had. You had that surgery? Umbilical hernia surgery? Yeah. After I had Jackson. That's what I thought it was. I thought it was an umbilical hernia surgery? Yeah. After I had Jackson. That's what I thought it was. I thought it was an umbilical hernia. Like, I'll post it for you guys, maybe somebody who has gone through this or maybe their toddler. I'm not just, uh, what is the word I'm looking for? Like a PSA. I'm not trying to like, exploit my child. I just, nobody has called me. Like I called and left a message for the pediatrician and she was like, you have to go through general surgery. Like you have

to get a consult with them. She was, and I'm not worried. I'm not saying like, I think it's cancer or anything. I'm just like, I've never seen anything like this. And nobody has like, no radiologist or doctor has called me to read the notes that are in his MyChart. So that was another point that I was going to make. The MyChart things are terrifying because you used to back in the day when you went and had labs or whatever test done, either a nurse or the doctor would pick up the phone and call. Now, because you have access to these labs online, they basically upload them when they receive them. And it could be a week before they ever even call and you're sitting there web MDing all of this shit or chat beach chat GPT this shit and

freaking yourself the fuck out. Yeah. 1000%. 1000% Kristen said that she never got called back from Penn about her MRIs that confirmed her MS. Yep.

I knew that. And it's fucked up because you'll sit here and Google and you're like, what am I supposed to do? When I got those results in the MyChart, I'm like Googling, okay, what does a cyst look like on ultrasound versus a hernia versus a tumor? I'm looking up pictures of the ultrasounds to sort of see. And I could tell, it doesn't take rocket science to figure out figure out okay the hernia on the ultrasound looks nothing like this. Right.

And it didn't. It looks nothing like what he has. And so I wish and I asked and I'm not blaming the radio like the ultrasound tech because I know that they're not doctors and they're not allowed to tell me but I was like, is that like what we're looking at and she's like like, I'm just taking pictures, I can't tell you. And I'm like, okay, I just wanted to make sure like that that sack thing is in fact what I thought was a hernia. And so general and painful for him or no. What is it? When you touch it? Is it painful to him or no? He said yes one time and then the other times he says no.

Okay. That's just so interesting that it grew like that. Isn't that scary? Kill, it's terrifying. Anything that involves your children that feels like an abnormal situation is terrifying. Yeah, no, I agree. I agree. But I also agree that if he's going under, you need to just have it all completely removed because then you'll have to have it done again. If the pathology comes back on it, that it

needs to be removed. Like, why not just skip the step? I agree and just remove it all altogether. I just I feel so bad because I'm like, it wasn't a big deal last year. Like, it just didn't last summer when I noticed it was like a little bump. Sort of. Yeah. The worst. Yeah, it's horrible. And he doesn't complain about it ever.

But it's so funny because Rio does he's big on stranger danger. Like he's not. Oh, does, he's big on stranger danger. Like he's not, yeah, like he won't fuck with you if he doesn't know you. And so when I knew that they were getting us into the pediatrician and then also to the ultrasound, I was trying to like prep him before like, the doctor's going to look at your hernia. Because hold on, you have to hold on. I have a video of him show like, I was giving the twins a bath, and he comes up to me and he's pointing at it and I'm like, what is it? And he's like a hernia. Hold on. Here it is. It's a little hernia. Yeah. So he's like, it's a little hernia, a little boo boo. So then from that, when I knew that we were going to go have it looked at and he doesn't

fuck with the doctors, I had to like tell him like, oh, you're going to show the hernia to the doctors. And then when we were doing the ultrasound, she like stepped out to go get another nurse, which freaked me out because you know when they bring somebody else in. Oh yes. Yeah. And so he lifts up my shirt and he goes, show them your hernia. And I'm like, oh, I have a hernia.

That's the cutest thing in the world. I love his little voice and how raspy it is. But that raspiness has to come from somewhere from your side because it's different dads. Different dads and him and Creed both have it. It's so crazy. But also I could I could see why Rio would be like a stranger danger because I feel like that's Elijah's personality. Yes, 1000%. And I'm he does not fuck with people he doesn't know. And it's so funny because I'm like, Rio and Valley are Elijah molded over. But Vali is so sassy. So sassy. Wait, Rio and Vali have Elijah's personality?

No, they have like stranger danger. Verse will go to anybody. So that's you? Yeah. Yeah. But you know what's so crazy too, speaking of Vali. So yesterday, Vali said a full sentence to me in Spanish for the first time. And I was just so proud of her because I'm like, okay, this is this is it. Like this is what it's all about. Right? Like, so Vali goes pop up, say, Fue, pop up left, pop up, say Fue.

And I was like, what? What did you just say? And you can hear it. Like she literally will pop up, say Fue. And I'm like, what the heck? Like where did like what? What did you just say? And you can hear like she literally will pop up say Fuey. And I'm like, what the heck? Like, where did like what? I was just so proud of her. So like in all of the Rio stomach drama, valleys over here speaking full sentences in Spanish. So, you know, you're gonna have an educated girly and I'm so excited for you for that. I hope so.

I feel like you will be able and it's sad in some senses because you don't want to take it too far the wrong way, but I feel like vicariously you'll get to have the childhood through her that you never had. And I just think that there's something so great about that. The Kristen says Kale is just happy that her kids have more flavor than she ever will. Period. Period. And will. Oh my gosh. Okay. So we have received quite a few emails lately. And this person emails us and said, I need advice. I recently started talking to a guy on a dating app.

Everything was going well, too well almost to where I wanted to start snooping on his Facebook. Come to find out he is still with his daughter's mom and has a six month old. I didn't know if I should tell her what he is doing or just block and walk. I feel bad because on his pictures with his daughter, the mom literally posted two weeks ago that it's her whole heart in one picture. What should I do? It's such a double-edged sword, I feel like,

because number one, why is a supposed to be committed man on a dating app? Like that's number one. Yeah. First mistake. Second mistake is getting on a dating app and engaging with someone having a relationship with them and then being so I'm not trying to say that somebody should be sneaky but like for that in your face for that stuff

to be on your Facebook tells me everything. Not that a sneaky person has better character, but it's just like, he's not even hiding anything and just doing whatever he's doing. Right? If I saw a pic, if that happened to me, and I saw a picture on somebody's Facebook that said my whole world, knowing that that knowing that I had access to information that that person was doing that I absolutely tell on them. My therapist told me it's nobody's.

It's not my place. I would be more inclined, I think, based on what I know from therapy and everything else, I'd be more inclined to say something to the guy like, okay, we matched on this profile, but like I know that you have a whole family. I know that you are their whole world. Like, I would be more inclined to say something to him because he's the one that owes that girl loyalty and I'm not in the business of like ruining a family and doing all of that. So I would say something. So didn't he do it?

Like that? He did. But like, I like I think about myself about myself right like I don't outside of like my core group of people you Kristen Alessandra obvious like Emily I don't unless you're one of those people like I would not want an acquaintance to tell me that my man is cheating on me I would not want somebody I don't know to tell me my man is cheating on me. I would not want somebody I don't know to tell me my man is cheating on me. Like, please do not ruin my peace and whatever ignorant bliss I'm living in. Please do not ruin that for me. I don't want to know who those people close to me can tell me, but other than that, no, I don't want to know and say something to the guy.

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Agreed. Agreed. I could get behind that. Like I, yes, I'm really- I didn't like the delivery, but I am thankful regardless of whatever the delivery was. I'm thankful for the knowledge. Correct. Correct.

I agree with that. But would you feel different in a situation like, let's just take this situation where this girl doesn't know his wife or girlfriend, whatever she is like from Adam. Right. So she has nothing to lose. Like she doesn't, she has nothing to lose by telling the girl, but like, what is the end game?

You want to be a girl's girl? Like for me, it's just, it's so hard because would you want some random person off the internet to tell you something like this? And what are you going to do with the information? Like I'm so conflicted when it comes to this because I'm like, I don't know that I would want some random person. Like if you really, really, really boil it down, do you want some random person from the internet coming in and dropping this bomb on you and then leaving and you don't know what to do with yourself? Yeah, like maybe months and months and months after the fact when you figured

your life out, you're like, wow, thank you so much for letting me know. But like, I don't know. See, I never hated the girl in the situation that I was in. I was like so thankful from the moment that I started communicating with her to get information. I was so thankful for the knowledge that I then had that I could make decisions for my life that could have possibly like very much impacted my future, not only for myself, but like for other people's children and my child.

Like so thankful. And I just feel like, yeah, there's a way to go about it. It doesn't have to be malicious that you can be a girl's girl with not trying to destroy something. That person destroyed it by doing what they did. And you're giving them the information that I personally believe as a girl from a woman to a woman that I wouldn't

want to sit on, knowing that information. And if this woman's still having kids with this man, they have a six month old, who's to say that she won't have another child? Like, why not give that information to allow that woman to have some peace and knowledge so that she can make life decisions. No, I see where you're coming. I see all sides of it, to be honest. I really do. Okay. The next person says, my daughter is 18 with her first boyfriend of two months. She wants to spend the night at his house. This is hard for me, but she says I'm being too strict because she's 18. My stance, I get that she's 18, but this is also her first relationship and it's also only been two months. Spending

the night together is a big step. She adamantly disagrees that this is a big step. I won't disagree that I can be strict with stuff, but I want her to understand that there are things in life reserved for truly being an adult, sleepovers with your boyfriend being one of them. I believe that if you want to play house with someone, then you should be on your own paying your own bills and way through life, which she is not. I don't know y'all. I just feel like that it's not appropriate. Thoughts would be appreciated. Be nice though. Like I said, I know I can be overprotective, but it's just how I am. I am going to tell you this was absolutely the exact same situation whenever I started dating Will and my parents were this mom.

It's hard because she's 18, but I also agree that it's not necessarily appropriate so I could get behind what she's saying. When we're that age though, we think that we know everything and we think we're an adult. Yeah. So like, nobody's wrong here. Like her daughter saying like she disagrees, whatever. That's an 18 year old girl. You know what I mean?

I don't think this mom is being too overprotective. I think that she just wants what's best and safest for her daughter. So I don't want her to feel like she's being too strict about it. I understand. And I think that someone should have prevented me from sleeping at my boyfriend's house. I just think that you and I have that perspective now because we are parents and we know that, you know, that's going to be a bridge that we cross when our kids get that age. Like,

right? Maybe not all of your kids, but some of your kids, that'll be a bridge you cross. I do believe that 18 is definitely still a kid. Now looking back on it, probably shouldn't have been making some decisions that we were making for life. But at the same time, I think it's like a lesson that you have to learn. You have to go through it. Somebody can't just... I always just tell my parents, like, there are certain things that I have to learn. You have to go through it. Somebody can't just, I always just tell my parents, like there are certain things that I need to learn on my own. Yeah. And you can't teach me everything from your life lessons

or tell me a story of your life lessons. And then I haven't experienced anything. If I live life based off of everything that you have gone through and off of your story, I'll never fucking live. Well, I think there are some, it takes a special kind of person to like take someone else's advice and not learn the hard way. And I said that to Elliot the other day because he came to me about something and I was like, honestly, I don't want to tell you which way to go with

this. I can only listen because at the end of the day, like I know that kids and teenagers and even young adults have to learn the hard way and I don't want to say do this or do that. Like, this is what I'm saying. Okay, we'll do the opposite likely. Or this is a huge fear of mine. As a parent, as a friend, is like my child coming to me telling me they want to do X, Y, and Z in a relationship situation. And I sit and I listen and then they ultimately decide to do something different. And they're scared to come back

to me to tell me that they didn't do what they said they were going to do or what we talked about. I never want that to be my kids. Like I want them to come to me for neutral, like mostly neutral, or I, you know, or if I'm able to give them concrete advice on something, they can still come to me if they decide not to listen to my advice. Because I think that's the other thing is like, so often we're looking for advice and then we don't want to go back to the same person because we chose not to take it. Yep. No, I wholeheartedly agree. I can just, I can feel myself in both parts of this, like from this mom being how my parents were, but also me being the 18-year-old girl.

I can just say for what it's worth, I would have had conversations with my parents honestly and openly if I felt that I wasn't going to be cut off or judged. So I want to foster that type of relationship with my child to know they't going to be cut off or judged. And so I want to foster that type of relationship with my child to know like they are gonna make decisions and ultimately you can tell them, hey, I don't think that this is the best decision for you to be making. Like this isn't a very adult thing.

And in order for you to make those decisions, I feel like you should be paying your own bills and doing all of that ahead of making those decisions. You can say all of that stuff until you're blue in the face, but don't create an environment where they don't feel comfortable to converse with you about what decisions that they ultimately make because in the eyes of the law, they are an adult. I agree. I agree with everything you just said. So I have nothing to add. On that note, we have foul play. All right. I listen every week and every time I hear foul play, always think of some of

the foul things I've done and finally decided I was in good company with Kale's bowel issue. I've always had bowel issues. I'm definitely no stranger to shitting my pants. Well, I was about to finish grad school and had been applying and interviewing for jobs. I landed what I thought was my dream job. I had been working there for about four months and quickly learned the work environment was super toxic. There were a couple workplace bullies and there were CEO pet—oh, that were CEO's pets, and it was clear they could get away with whatever they wanted.

We all had cubicles in this big open room and one day I started to feel my guts bubble up. As I said, I'm no stranger to shitting my pants, so I had to make a split second decision if I'm going to make a mad dash for the bathroom or try to fart, hoping that it was silent and would pass. Well, I did the latter and lo and behold, it was not just a fart. I had shit myself in the office chair while the other girls were in their cubicles. I was sitting there trying to figure out what I was going to do. I remembered I had another pair of black pants in my car so I could just change into those without

anyone suspecting anything. But I was starting to smell this shit I knew everyone else would too. I opened my desk drawer and grab out some baby wipes and quickly start wiping the chair hoping that it would absorb what had seeped through my pants. Old trusty Bath and Body Works hand sanitizer from my desk and started squirting it trying to cover the smell. Thank goodness those Bath and Body Works hand sanitizers are strong. The smell of vanilla, the smell of vanilla beans soon wafted the air and I made a mad dash for my car to change my pants hoping I could return without anyone noticing. When I returned a few minutes later, a few of the girls were heading to lunch.

One of the girls heading out was the biggest bully. It was then I decided I would switch our desk chairs while she was at lunch. Oh! I successfully switched the desk chairs and the girls mentioned a few other times over the next few months they smelled poop, but no one ever traced it back to that chair.

I still laugh to this day thinking about how that girl is sitting in my shit long after I'm gone. Love you ladies and the show. Thanks for keeping us laughing. Honestly, that is iconic. Okay, I just need to talk for a second about cubicles because I think it's like the weirdest like office thing ever. It is very weird. Like it's like very, very weird. There's no enclosure and there's people just like on these phone calls and I don't know, like having

snacks in there and there's just like two little dividers keeping you divided from everyone else. At that point, let's just have like open desks. Yeah, just have a big conference table at that point because what is the purpose of the cubicle? Also, I really just hope that the bitch that was like the bully at work, I just hope she doesn't listen to this podcast. Well, the lady doesn't work there anymore. I know, but I'm just like, is that a felony? It's a bodily fluid. Oh, you know that spitting on someone is a misdemeanor? No, I think it's a felony. Oh, it is? I thought it was a misty. No, because

it's a bodily fluid. Then yeah, I guess it would be a felony. Is spitting on someone a felony? I'm sure shitting on a chair and- Oh, it says spitting on someone is generally not a felony but can be considered a form of assault and battery. Okay. Someone spit on me. Actually,. Someone spit on me. Actually someone did spit on me one time and I was like, you better get the fuck out of here. If someone spit on me, I'd go to jail. If someone spit on me, if someone spit on me, I will be in prison because I will black

out. I will black out. No, someone spit on me one time. Like, you're funny. Kristen goes, Oh, I remember this. Did you black out? Because I would have. I absolutely did not black out. I gathered every part of any thought that I could have ever had. And I was like, let's go ahead and call the law

now while you're here. Did you call the law? Absolutely not. I was like, you have two choices, either we can call them and you can tell them what you did. Or as disrespectful as this sounds to myself, you can leave and never fucking talk to me again. You fucking spit on my face. That's insane. Spitting on someone. It was like, in the car, I had just pulled into my garage. And it was like in my smaller like Lexus car. So pretty tight from the passenger seat into my face. Y'all would have had to bail me out of prison. Prison, not jail prison. Like we will, we will be going next time anybody ever feels

comfortable enough to do that to me ever again, which I hope is not the case. I'm definitely calling it off. So to coffee combos podcast is up for nomination in the society and culture category for the People's Choice podcast awards voting is open now through July 31. To vote, click the link in the description of this episode or visit our Instagram, Facebook or official Facebook group. We appreciate you guys. Thank you for always supporting our show. Please subscribe and review on

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