Coffee Convos with Kail Lowry and Lindsie Chrisley - ENCORE Coffee Convo Panties & Creating Healthy Eating Habits

Episode Date: May 15, 2025

CC414: For this week's episode we pull from the vault of Coffee Convos podcasts and revisit Episode CC402Lindsie and Kail have some obvious thoughts on Casey Anthony trying to make a comeback on Tiktok, Kohberger claims he's on the spectrum and Lindsie finds a new serial killer in Chicago. A viral video of someone explaining how to sell used panties for money has Kail contemplating a new business but Lindsie only wants to know if this is a biohazard. A listener asks how to talk to their 12 year old daughter about their weight and Kail is not having it. Lindsie explains how she creates healthy habits with Jackson and Kail shares some recent struggles with picky eaters. We finish it off with a very FOUL Foul Play. Clasp those butts y'all! Thank you to our sponsor!Better Help: This episode is brought to you by BetterHelp. Visit BetterHelp.com/coffee today to get 10% off your first month.IQBar: Get 20% off every IQBar product plus free shipping when you text CONVOS to 64-000. By Texting 64000, you agree to receive recurring automated marketing messages from IQBAR. Message and data rates may apply. No purchase required. Terms apply, available at IQBAR.com. Reply "STOP" to stop, "HELP" for helpShady Rays: Go to ShadyRays.com and use code COFFEE for 35% off polarized sunglassesThrive Causemetics: New customers get the Liquid Lash Extensions Mascara and a mini-sized Brilliant Eye Brightener at a special set price with free shipping. Save more with 20% off your first order at https://thrivecausemetics.com/COFFEEVegamour: Go to Vegamour.com/coffeeconvos and use code coffeeconvos to save 20% on your first orderWayfair: Visit Wayfair.com or get the Wayfair mobile app.See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

I hate gift giving and receiving. Receiving gifts is so weird. What do you say thank you? This is Coffee Convo's with Kale Lowry and Lindsey Chrisley. I really want you to be in your feels, Kale. That does not interest me whatsoever. I feel very attacked by you. A spirited discussion about motherhood, friendship, family,

and life in the public eye. I'm just not with the fakery anymore. There's a fakery bakery around here. Here's Kale and Lindsey. Good morning, Kitty Kat. Good morning, kitty cat. Good morning, kitty cat. I like your crew neck. Oh, thanks. I love a good kitty crew also. Today is not a day that I am used to.

Today's not a day that I am feeling well. I am recovering physically from a stomach bug and I'm recovering mentally from a stomach bug, and I'm recovering mentally from a fuck boy. Oh, well, Kristen told us that she was gonna implement a fine jar on us today. So that's why I'm gonna move on from fuck boys. We need to start this episode with nothing else other than Casey Anthony being on TikTok.

Well, I was wondering if you were gonna bring that up to me. Lindsay Chrisley. I am. The way that I almost threw my phone out the car window when I was sitting at practice and I saw that and I was tagged in that. And I was just like the fucking audacity of this bitch to get on here and talk about legal advocacy

I don't give a fuck what the courts end up ruling that you were It was beyond a reasonable doubt. The only reason why you are free to this day is because not because you're innocent It was because the the burden of proof was not met and that is that that does not equal innocence listen That does not equal innocence. Listen, the way that I got on TikTok and was met with her face, like it was the first video. And I was like, wait, I didn't even know this bitch was still alive.

Like nobody seen, heard of Casey Anthony outside of the fact that she was like fucking somebody's husband. Remember that? Yeah. I think that was the last time we talked about her. And I think I don't know if the comments were muted when you saw it. But by the time I saw it, the comments were turned off. As a woman, I don't want her advocating for any other women. I don't want her advocating for anybody, any children, any women, not even any men. And that's saying a lot. And I just, I have to wonder,

one, I understand that I may be a troll towards Casey Anthony, but she's gotta be hurting for money or something because nobody wants her on the internet. This is not a situation of you just don't like someone. You literally killed your daughter. And I don't care if you were innocent in the court of law, you are not innocent in the court of law, you are not innocent in the

court of public opinion. And as far as I'm concerned, she can rot right next to Scott Peterson. 1000% wait, are you now on the train of Scott Peterson is guilty? Okay, let's talk about that really. I know I went down a little conspiracy rabbit hole about how he could be innocent and was maybe even advocating for his innocence. But after talking to Beth Karis, who is a legal analyst, who is always on ID Channel and other places, she explained to me better than anybody else could have what circumstantial, circumstantial evidence actually is. And when you have circumstantial evidence piling one on top of the other, that is no longer circumstantial.

That is putting pieces to the puzzle and putting it all together. So you cannot tell me that all of the coincidences of Scott Peterson means that he's innocent. So he's not. I misspoke. I spoke on a turn. I didn't need to say any of that. I shouldn't have, I should not have gone down that rabbit hole. He is guilty. I spoke on a turn. I didn't need to say any of that. I should not have gone down that rabbit hole. He is guilty. You cannot convince me otherwise.

So are we saying that Kitty Lindsay was correct in the fact that Scott Peterson is in fact guilty? But I will say that just like Brian Coburger and just like Casey Anthony, I could see how he could have gotten off because people are, you have to use like, the way that she said is like, you have to use your conscience and you also have to go with the evidence of what's there. So like the same way that Casey Anthony got off, I could have seen that happen for Scott Peterson as well.

And I could, I could see it for Brian Coburger. Do I agree with it? No. Do I think that Brian and Scott are guilty just like Casey? Yes. I think it just so happened that Casey got off. And even Beth Kara said that she was floored by that and she was in the courtroom. Speaking of Coburger for a second, did you see where his legal team had filed that he should be able to, I believe, avoid the death penalty because he reported that he was on the spectrum. Did he report that he was on the spectrum? I did see some articles surrounding this, but I didn't know.

I think his legal team filed it. Okay. But here's the thing. And this is not meant to be offensive. So anyone listening to this, please don't take it that way was he quote unquote diagnosed as on the spectrum prior to this years before this as a child maybe or was he just diagnosed as autistic or on the spectrum surrounding this trial because I don't know like how would that factor in if he if that's a brand new diagnosis I guess what's really weird to me about it is it's the first that we're hearing about

it after such a long period of time. Well, I don't like that it villainizes people who have autism or are on the autism spectrum. You're you're using this as a because so not everyone that has autism is going to turn out to kill anybody. Probably none of them, truly. Well, what's so crazy is that that would be used to justify taking four people's lives. Right, which villainizes people on the spectrum. And the way that I'm seeing it,

it could villainize people on the spectrum. I don't like that. Same. So for the people that did not see the video that Casey Anthony launched returning to social media, she says in this video that she's a researcher and a legal advocate and she's launching a series online to advocate for herself, her daughter, and the voiceless who may not know where to turn. I think Casey Anthony needs to turn a different direction other than the internet.

I would agree. Also, to say that you have been in the legal field since 2011, ma'am, are you okay? Because no, you were convicted. You were tried for your daughter's murder in 2011. What the hell are you talking about? You've been in the legal field. Are you kidding me? Living with your attorney or an attorney because the attorney felt bad for you is not being in the legal field. Um, Kirsten said every felon should use that. Imagine Ryan Coburger is next and he's like, I've been in the legal field since 2022. No, you've been in the trenches of the legal field because you guilty.

You're guilty. Period. I cannot. Back to what you were saying that you're recovering. You got hit with the stomach bug. Yeah, I did. And I wasn't expecting it. It came out of nowhere. I woke up at 5am, holding on for dear life. And then literally 20 hours. What were we holding on to? Our asshole or our throat? It was both. Just constant nausea all day, diarrhea, got the ass literally. And then

I'm just begging for dear life. Elijah was like, go lay down, stay away from the babies because they had already been sick. And I was holding on for dear life, hoping that everything was going to be okay. Nothing burns worse than like flu or stomach bug shitting. Oh yeah. Stomach bug shitting and it smells horrible. Wait, what? It smells worse than regular shit. What's it smell like?

Death. It's like all the bugs in your body that just exit. Chris, it's literally a dying animal. No, literally. No, when I got whatever I got hit with, I say it's like flu type A and stomach bug because that's what was going around for the people that I was around. The way that I could not hold my ass or my throat anymore. Mine was 48 hours, though. I was shitting and puking for 48 hours. Oh, that's even worse. Oh, it's absolutely the worst. It's to the point. And I tell everybody that I know that wants to listen to me, as a mom, buy an ear mattress and a second set

of sheets because if your kid gets sick, you can put them on that in your bathroom so that it doesn't get all over your carpets and stuff like that. Jackson never threw up for the first time. I don't know if I remember telling you this or not, but he never threw up for the first time until he was in kindergarten. And when it first came out, he was like, what's that? Like, never thrown up. And so I know he was a little bit older, so he could hold it a little bit better getting to the toilet. But when you've got babies that are like three years old, who are getting hit with a stomach bug, put your ass on an air mattress with a couple. What did you say when he said what's that?

We will and I laughed because although it was not funny, it's just like the fact that he was already six years old before he ever threw up in his life. And he didn't know what was going on? No. I think he thought it was like an exorcism. Yeah. He probably had no clue what was going on. Like literally projectile vomits and goes, what's that? Kristin asked us if we've ever puked so hard

that you should absolutely. Probably circa what 2019 in Chattanooga when I had to get Mark Allen Jr. his own room because I was shitting and barfing and sitting on the toilet and throwing up in the sink simultaneously like, of course I have. Remember, that's when I found out that you were fucking weird. What? When I get this text from either, I can't remember if it was either you or Kristin,

but it was like, Kale has some like illness and she's throwing up in the sink. And I'm like, why is she throwing up in the sink? Because I feel like you's throwing up in the sink. And I'm like, why is she throwing up in the sink? Cause I feel like you can throw up in the toilet. I can't do that. You still don't do it? No. Do your kids do it? Here's the thing.

I had thrown up in the toilet since then, but I don't prefer it. But you clogged the sink. Like when you're in front of the toilet, you clog the sink. To be fair, trigger warning, maybe skip the next minute or so. That throw up was chunky. From what though? Remember we ate soul food?

Remember that? It was like fried chicken in the sink. It was like, yeah, because I didn't feel sick up to that point. You know what I mean? It kind of surprised all of us. We had to call maintenance at 2 AM. They had to unclog the sink. It was like, yeah, because I didn't feel sick up to that point. You know what I mean? Like it kind of surprised all of us. We had to call maintenance at 2am. They had to unclog this. I mean, truly, I should have been fine for that truly. And I feel bad. Like, shout out to the guy who cleaned that. That was a

nice hotel too. I really liked that hotel. It was a very nice hotel. And also the fact that you put like fucking you use every towel in that place. I had to because I was on the, sitting on the toilet and then like this is pretend this is a toilet. And then I had the stack of towels to lay my head on the sink. So like I had to use the towel. Kristin is dubbing it as she did a pillow setup. I did a pillow setup with the towel. I had to be able to lay my head and then I had,

we were like, I can't have Mark in here. Like he needs his own room. I can't have him while I'm like in my most vulnerable state outside of like childbirth. He cannot be seeing me throw up and shit everywhere. Well then we went and recorded as if nothing was happening, as if you were not shitting yourself. I had to go get the, what did I, the, we went to, what is it called?

Urgent care and they gave us Zofran for nausea and told me to take the meds to stop the pooping only if I had to because best case scenario is to shit as much of it out as possible so that you get all the bugs out. But I was like, I have to work. Like I don't have time for this. What bugs are you talking about? so that you get all the bugs out. But I was like, I have to work. Like, I don't have time for this. And they were like-

What bugs are you talking about? Like stomach bug is like a, it's not like actual bugs. Well, it's like germs or a virus, which is a bug. Oh, is that why they call it that? I think so. I thought it was just like, you know, like a slang word for virus. Well, I thought the bug was like slang for like the virus

because a virus is like alive. So I thought it was like a bug. Well, the way you're saying it is like you're shitting beetles. Like that's what I'm picking up. Did the babies get it too? Yes, they had it first. Actually they had it first before me,

but last in terms of the pecking order of children. But why do I feel like when babies get something, they handle it so much better than adults? A virus is often called a bug because the term bug has been used generally to describe any small unseen problem or nuisance even before the computer age and is not directly related to insects. In the context of health, B.U.G. is used to refer to small microorganisms like a virus or bacteria that can make you sick. I'm glad that we are just educating the general public.

Yeah. But why do kids recover from illnesses so much faster than us? If I get the flu, bitch, I'm wiped off of this planet for minimum 10 days. Oh, agreed. But the twins, when they were sick, they throw up and act like nothing happened. They puke and roll. Literally. Like, projectile and then they're on to the next. They don't care. And I'm like, I don't know what's going on. I have no idea what's happening. care. And I'm like, I don't know what's going on. I have no idea what's happening. Coffee Converse podcast is sponsored by BetterHelp. Mental health awareness is growing, but there's still definitely progress to be made. 26% of Americans who participated in a recent survey say they have avoided seeking mental health support due to fear of judgment. And that is just

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In aesthetic news, I went and had dermaplaning. Have you been doing that? No. You haven't? It's like the best thing in the world. Like your makeup and your skincare goes on so much better, but I got cut and so I cannot put any makeup on my face because my face literally burns. And I know that you're going one direction with your hair and I'm going the opposite direction with my hair

right now because I'm about to bleach this shit out. I need to feel like I went darker for low maintenance, especially while my girl is on maternity leave. I am going to try to grow it out. I have my neutral full. But outside of that, I can't go bleach because it just keeps snapping my hair off. Did your hair get worse after you had the babies? Yes.

Like you lost a lot. I remember when I had had Jackson and it was a long time. It felt like a long time. My hair didn't start shedding until that point. Yeah. But I wanna say it was at least like around six months after I had him, that the hair shedding started. Yep. And I would just find clumps in the shower and I wouldn't tell Will,

have you ever like felt like something was wrong with you but you don't wanna tell anybody? Yeah, all the time. That's actually the story of my life. Yeah, so there would just be like clumps of hair in the shower and I would go and get some toilet paper and remove it and flush it down the toilet. And I'm like, eventually a bitch is gonna be bald.

Like it was the worst thing postpartum for me, outside of the postpartum anxiety, the hair shedding was awful. Well, I still am just trying to get my hair back to I also have a bald spot from after surgery, which is a conversation for another day, but I'm hoping that that will grow back. I'm sure I'm certain that it will grow back. It's kind of like ass sores, right? Like when you lay on the bed too long.

Yep. Kristin said bald spot that the shaved bald spot. Oh wait, speaking of bald, do you remember like back in the day when you like shaved your eyebrow? Oh, like I put a slit in it? Yeah. Yeah, do you want me to do it again?

No, I didn't like it when you did that. Oh. I've always wondered why you did. I lost a bet to Becky, I think. So you shaved your eyebrow. I just put a little slit in it. Actually, Lux and Creed have slits in their eyebrows right now. Oh, they like on purpose?

Yeah. Did they get it from the barber shop? Yeah. So it's like a professional job. Yeah, mine wasn't. Actually, no, mine was. I had a barber do mine. You did?

Oh, so you didn't do it yourself either? No, I would shave my whole eyebrow off on accident. Have you not seen those videos where people are like trying to do the at-home derma planing or whatever and they hit up towards their eyebrow and then it's just like fucking gone? Just like, half my eyebrow. It's like that's why we should hire professionals to do these things and we should not be DIYing shit that we should not be DIYing. Why are you looking at me like that?

Just loving life right now. Just in complete amazement? Yeah, truly. Okay, so I have a video that I'm gonna play and I want you to tell me what your thoughts are on this. I sold a pair of my dirty underwear this morning for $50 and I had so many of you asking me how to do this, so I'm going to give you some tips on how to get started. I just want to preface this by saying that this is not a get rich quick scheme. You're going to have

to put in work and you're going to have to put in effort. The first tip I'm going to give you is go make all new social medias. I personally use Instagram, TikTok, and X. You can definitely do this with just your social media pages, but I suggest that you go sign up for a Smosh Man's account, just a free one. People can go and follow you for free, and if you decide to post anything, you can actually put a price tag on it. Once you have all that set up, what you're going to do is start posing like cute teaser pictures on these accounts, just making videos on TikTok. And trust me, girl, they will come to you quite literally. These are tips just to get you started. So if you have any more questions,

drop them in the comments. I'm sorry, what did she say to make? I don't know what kind of account she said to make. Kind of seems like it's the dark web. OnlyFans. She was talking about OnlyFans. I just need to know how you feel about this. Oh, you have to disguise the word. So she said, schmonly fans schmonly man's schmans. I'm not understanding what she's saying to do. She's saying for us to go make all new Twitter,

Instagram and X accounts and then make one of those spicy accounts and do what post pictures of me looking like, like this on there. Like what is she saying to do? No, I don't think we're going to get paid looking like this. No, I'm not going to get paid looking like this. That's why I'm saying I don't understand what she's, she's making money on there or what? Yeah, she's making money. She started this little gig and made $50 for a pair of used panties.

Are we doing that or not? We should do coffee combos panties. No, we are number one, not doing that. Oh. Number two, if I was going to do that, I would bamboozle the people that I was doing that to, which would be a fraud scheme because I would send them clean panties that had never been worn. Well, here's the thing, same, because I'm not sending my used panties. It's not happening.

But is that a biohazard? Is that like a hazard to the department of public health? Like, I don't know that that is sanitary. Maybe it's a felony actually, because it's bodily fluid. Like, what if someone like peed or had their period? I just don't know that I could get behind. I also just don't think anyone's gonna pay us for that. So I'm, I love her level of confidence and I love that she's so passionate about this, but that's just not up my alley. I would say. People would pay. They do pay.

It's fucking weird. I, you know what? I'll pass. Do we think that like panty sniffers are an actual thing? Yes. Do you know someone that did that? The lack of confidence of you asking, do you know someone that did? No, I don't. I actually don't and I'm glad, I'm proud to say that I don't know someone that has done that. I

know that at one point Farrah was selling farts in a jar. I know that. Oh, I remember that too. I just don't understand how farts like maintain in a jar. Well, I think it's like actual gas, but I think that by time you get the lid on it, the gas has secreted out of... Disappointing. Yeah. Into thin air. I'm just wondering, if anybody is listening to this, which you are, have you ever come

home and found your man sniffing your drawers because the way that I would put that person in possible sex therapy. Yes. I just don't think it's like a normal thing. And I also think it's like a violation. I would agree. I would agree with that. I don't have any further conversation to add to that,

but I would agree. And why aren't men on there selling their drawers? Because no woman wants to sniff a fucking skid mark. That's crazy. Why is that though? Because that's the thing. If you really think about it, the fetish that... I'm not saying that no woman fetishes weird... has a weird fetish, right? I'm not saying that. But the fetishes that men have, like sniffing panties or things like that compared to what women, like why, why is that? Like why is the toe fetish such a thing?

I don't understand. Also I feel like more so on the man's side. But if you ever go on Instagram, and I don't know why this is in my algorithm, but there will be like, I will go on the explorer page and start scrolling and it's just like women taking pictures with their like foot all the way up near their face and they're just toes or it'll be like a group of girls with their toes out.

I told you about the time someone sucked my toe in front of people. Wait, what? Did I not tell you that? Did I not tell you that? No, I don't feel like you told me that. First of all, can you just rewind how it got to be in front of people? So we go out, it's a bunch of us, goes home and we're with, it's me, two girls and, and not only did one of the girls come for me because we were talking, she ends up making out with and then sucks my toes when we were back at the house after we went out and I had flip flops on.

He was drunk and he sucked on my toes in front of everyone. Wait, okay. But can you just tell me like how it led to a toe? I don't know how it led there because I didn't ask for that. But like, how did he get, did he get on his knees and like- He was sitting on the floor. There was a chair with like an ottoman and I was sitting on the chair and he was sitting on the ottoman

and he just put my toes in his mouth. Did you feel like you were aroused from that? No, I did not. No, I absolutely did not feel aroused. I did not feel, I did not understand the hype surrounding toe sucking. Did your phalanges feel violated? Phalanges?

Like my toes? I mean, isn't that the same thing as like your fingers? Like, don't they just call them all phalanges? I just was like, what is going on here? Do they? Is phalanges fingers and toes? Is phalanges, I don't even know how to spell phalanges. F-L-A-N-G-I-E-S, fingers and toes.

Yeah, it says phalanges. Oh, first of all, I was way off. Do you know how to spell phalanges? No, I don't. P-H, I know that. Yeah, P-H-A-L-A-N-G-E-S. Do you know how I spelled it? How did you spell it?

F-L-A-N-G-I-E-S. Period. Period, bitch can't spell. Wait, did you know that it started with a pH because Kristin put it in the chat? No, I've always known it was pH. Why would just you know that? I just always known. Medical field.

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something and killed five different people. Okay, can we pull up a picture of this man so I can react to it? Because I have not heard of this. Okay. I don't feel like you would look at this person. Is he a teenager? Yes, he's a teenager. So NBC, it wasn't five people, it was six people, reported that he has been accused of perpetrating a string of shootings in 2020. He was only 17 years old at the time, 21 now, and just recently charged with this killing spree.

I'm shocked. Did he know them? Were they random victims? It doesn't say. It says that the murders were of a 31-year-old man in March of 2020, a 20-year-old man in April of 2020, a 16-year-old boy in May of 2020, a 20-year-old man in November of 2020, and another 31-year-old man in November 2020. It says three of the attempted murder charges stem from the incident on November 8th, 2020 when the 31 year old man was killed. So I'm going to assume that these other people were not like at random. It also says that the children were in it. There were children in a vehicle with the adult victim who was killed. Pew pew.

It reminds me of Jeffrey Dahmer. But when you look at this kid, I wouldn't immediately be like, there's a lot of people that I've seen pictures of as serial killers and I'm like, okay, I could see it. Yeah. When I look at this kid, I don't feel like I think maybe troubled but not a serial killer. Right. But is this gang affiliated? Do you know?

It didn't say. Because I do think that play that I mean, if someone is this is a genuine question. So please don't fucking attack me when you guys listen to this. If someone is affiliated with a gang and kills multiple people, are they considered a serial killer the same way that someone who goes out on a random killing spree? Wait, re-say that? So if a, you know how there's like gang initiations and things like that where you're, you have to kill people to be a part of the gang or like to be ongoing in the gang, whatever.

I'm not familiar with gang terms, conditions, policies. I don't know. But would someone who is affiliated with a gang who has multiple killings under their belt constitute as a serial killer? That's interesting. I don't know because when you think about the Dahmers of the world, it seems very premeditated like seeking out certain type of people to do this to. So to me, that's like a serial killer when it's like, okay, I'm gonna kill sorority girls. You know what I mean? Versus what you're

saying. Let's look up the definition, Kristin. So I don't have to Google it. Can you look up the definition of a serial killer? A serial killer is someone who murders multiple people in separate events over a period of time. Their murders are often motivated by psychological thrill or pleasure. Okay, so that doesn't mean that a gang affiliated murderer or murderers or murderers, right? Because it would have to be multiple murders.

That's interesting. I would be curious to see what comes of this case. I haven't heard of it. I haven't seen it. And I did not know that there was, I mean, I don't even know why people are trying to get away with murder at this point because CCTV is everywhere. But I'm alarmed the fact that he was 17 years old

when this started. And the events of these multiple murders were over a course of nine months. So to say you have murdered six people in a period of nine months and you weren't caught at 17 years old. Like I wanna know where this kid's parents are, like where he got the firearm

because he wouldn't have even been old enough to have one. How would nobody know about this? Well, that's sort of why I was asking maybe if it was gang related. Well, I'm going to keep following and I'll keep you updated. Yeah, please do. Please keep me updated because I have no idea what's going on most of the time. First of all, speaking of death, unfortunately, Michelle Trachtenberg has passed away and they declined an autopsy.

Did you know that? I did. I saw that the family had declined autopsy. Actually where I saw it was Jordy Cray. But why would you decline autopsy? Well, because those results will be released to the public at some point. And so I'm just wondering if they know what transpired and they just want to protect her privacy and don't want the general public

to know about it, which I fully respect that decision. Yeah. Families can decline autopsies when there is no evidence of foul play or religious reasons. According to NYPD, 39-year-old Trachtenberg was found unconscious and unresponsive at her New York City apartment on Wednesday morning. Criminality was not suspected and as such her cause of death will remain unknown. But I think you're right. Her family may have known what occurred. I actually respect that a lot because, I mean, do you think that when articles get written about death that it's more about the click bait than it is actually caring about the person

or can both be true here? I mean, I think there's a difference between fact and using it for a headline for people to click. But I think they go hand in hand when the media is the one releasing it. Right. Like I do think that there should be laws for autopsies and stuff like that,

for that kind of stuff to not be released without family consent. Yeah, I do think that there should be laws for autopsies and stuff like that, for that kind of stuff to not be released without family consent. Yeah, I agree. I wonder why though, why are autopsies, specifically in a case like this, why are they public record, public knowledge? Why are they released to the public? Because when I die, I would want the same thing. I would want, not the same thing.

Let me not say that. I would want my family to know whether they know because I wrote a note or because I died and they got an autopsy. I would want them to know what happened, but I wouldn't want that released to the public. So how can that- I'm just wondering if the coroner's office is state affiliated, if that has to be entered into some type of system, which is why it would be accessible to the public. That's the only thing I can think of. Like maybe

you can have an autopsy through a private corner outside of the state or something. I don't know. Okay. But something to look into. I mean... Yeah, for sure. The only thing that I had read on this situation and her death, and of course, don't want to speculate because it's not my business, but I read that she had had a liver transplant recently.

So, I mean, it's possible that there could have been complications or something like that with that and the family would have already been privy to that information. Right. That's true. I actually did know that, but that's not where my head went. I mean, regardless, rest in peace. And I'm sending condolences to all of Michelle's family. I loved her on Gossip Girl. I actually never saw Gossip Girl, but I remember her from Buffy. And then also, did she do like an ice princess movie of some sort? Okay. I remember her from that as well.

Wait, you never watched Gossip Girl? No. You still to this day have not watched it? No. What did you do at that time? When did that come out? Oh, I think you were on Teen Mom. Well, I think you were.

I totally wasn't watching TV. Hold on, Gossip Girl. Let me see what year it was, okay? I feel like this is something that you would have been interested in, which I'm just like disappointed that you didn't watch it. Okay, so first episode aired in 2007. Oh, I was in high school. And the final episode was 2012.

I was on Teen Mom, you were correct. So it ran for five years and I never watched it. I couldn't even tell you what characters were on there. Well Blake Lively was on it. She was a little. I've seen some stuff resurface about her but I don't know what her character was. Was she a mean girl? Was this like a mean girl's type of vibe? Like what was it? She was Serena on that show. Look, Kristen said Chuck Bass. I feel like you need to go back and watch Gossip Girl and relive your youth. Okay On there too who late in me sir who where where can I watch this?

I mean, I don't know you can find it streamed somewhere Taylor Momsen. I think who is that? Is that a person or a character? Hold on. Let me see. Where can you watch Gossip Girl? Hold on, let me see. Where can you watch Gossip Girl? Xoxo, Gossip Girl. Okay, so it's alleging that you can watch it on Netflix. Okay, I don't watch it on Netflix. Speaking of watching stuff, I've been watching all of the...

What is the author? Harlan Corbin? Yeah. Okay, so I've been watching as many of the series on Netflix that I can watch. And I'm on Fool Me Once or Fool You Once. I don't think I know that one. Have you watched that? No. Oh my god. We need a graphic that has like Lindsay's list of recommendations that I can constantly go back to it. But because you're a book girly, when I found out that these shows were all created from our adaptations of books, I was like, I mean, obviously, I have to watch the

visual part because I'm not going to ever read the reading part. Right. Fair. And when I tell you the shows are so good, like once you watch one series, you're going to want to go to the next one. I just I'm trying to figure out where this like movie book adaptation TV book adaptation started, because it feels like I've like nobody will pick up reality shows or scripted shows anymore, unless it is like a book adaptation. I really think that it boils down to book talk. Well, I feel like this has been going on for a way longer time than social media because you have to think a walk to remember.

Was that a book? Yeah. Do you know they're doing a reboot to that? They're doing another one? Oh, really? Yeah. What? I didn't know that was a book adaptation.

I know that they had done it, right? Like I know that that was like Harry Potter. Like I know that Twilight, what's it called? The Hunger Games. I knew that those big franchises were doing adaptations, but I thought that they were fewer and far between. Like when we were growing up, it was like fewer and far between. Now it's like every single book that I've read in 2024 and 2025 so far is up for a movie book like a book to movie or TV adaptation. Like, Freedom McFadden has several that are going up for movies. Colleen Hoover has several like the same author has over and over and over again. Like the books on my shelves like we did a whole reel of all the books that are going to be adaptations. I, unless it just wasn't publicized that way, way back when, like while we were growing up, I, that's why I guess in my mind, they were always more fewer.

They were fewer and far between where like now it's like every single one. Does that make sense? Well, I can think of like a million. Think about where the crawl dad sing. That's a book. All of Nicholas Sparks movies are books. But okay, yeah, I guess you're right. I guess I didn't know until I was in the book world.

I mean, yeah. I mean, obviously, I knew that these were books, but I wasn't reading them. I was watching whatever the adaptation was. Actually, can we like find Nicholas Sparks and interview him? Yeah, we can. Let me actually look. I don't even know what the man looks like. Hold on.

I feel like he would have to be hot. I actually don't I have not read any of his books. He's not what he's not hot. He's not hot. Okay, well, let's see if he is. Damn it. Looks like he's divorced. Well, that means he's on the market. And so are you baby girl. Baby girl. Can we interview him? We absolutely can. I have watched every movie that he has. Okay. So petition for Nicholas Sparks to come on Coffee Como's podcast. It would be a special treat because we don't do guests on Coffee Como's podcast and haven't for years. So Nicholas Sparks, if you're listening, we are petitioning for you to come on Coffee

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I don't remember what class it was. We, it would be mutually beneficial. Okay, Lindsay's a big fan of movies. I'm a big fan of books. I'll start reading them now. We will talk about the differences. We'll put it on book club. We will get Lindsay on book club to discuss the movie adaptations to the books that I read. We'll talk about the discrepancies, why you had to

change certain things. Did you have a say in casting? Did you have a say in, you know, the screenwrite, like the the manuscript? I have lots of questions. What is your favorite Nicholas Sparks movie? I've never watched them besides The Notebook. The Notebook is absolutely my favorite movie, but there has when TikTok came out. I feel like that was one thing that turned me off of TikTok that I didn't want to be on it because people were talking about the controversy of The Notebook and how it's actually

like toxic love and it's not a safe love. Okay. And what do you think 90% of America and the world in love is? What do they think? That's actually, it may be toxic, but that doesn't mean it's uncommon. It's not a level of toxic, I feel like. Also, in order for it to be entertaining and gripping and thrilling and give people the entertainment that they're looking for, it's going to be toxic. Writing books about healthy things would be like a self-help book, some sort of memoir. I'm going to be totally transparent with you guys. The book that I wrote, Hustle and Heart, following Pride Over Pity about all the things I learned from my divorce, that was a happy thing. It

was lessons learned and it flopped. So do we feel like if you would have talked about all of the toxicity and the fighting and the arguing and the wild sex and the wall parking lot and like all of those things, that would have been a bestseller. I yeah, I do. Because like excerpts, excerpts, whatever it is. Not Elijah and his cousin both have a handle on this wheelbarrow on the farm. Like they're just like walking through the pasture. Are they doing farm chores while we're doing these? He's recruited his cousin to come help him with farm chores. And it's so funny because he's here every day like helping Elijah.

I would say that if I wrote about all that and any press that got picked up for that book that had stuff about the fighting, the sex, the this, the that, I do think that it would have sold way more copies, so. Well, maybe you should write it now. I'm down. I'm so game for that.

Just change the name of the people. Yeah. Good idea. You know? Yeah. Okay. So we have something from the Facebook group. Okay.

This person says, advice needed. I love that they come to us for advice. Yeah. Imagine. Also, are they doing this for funsies or do they actually believe like are they actually wanting our advice you know what that's a great question to ask everybody who's listening to this um this person says her daughter is 12 years old and completely developed already she's 410 and won't be growing much more with our family's height

and gaining weight as well which obviously isn't. She already weighs more than me by about 10 pounds and I'm only two inches taller than her. She's generally pretty confident in herself and I want her to continue to be that way. How do you talk to your daughter about her needing to lose weight without breaking her confidence? Excuse me. Lindsay and I actually had a conversation similar to this over the weekend. Not knowing that this was coming. I don't, this is actually infuriating. I think that there is, if there is a concern for health related things due to the weight

and that is your child, that is somewhat your obligation for you to help that child to become more healthy and create better habits if the habit is an issue. However, putting girls or boys for that matter on these crash fad diets and creating unhealthy relationships with food and creating an environment for them not to feel safe with their own self. You told me about the Lethem Theory by Mel Robbins. So I read it. I listened to it on audio actually. And one of the sections in that book about how to apply the lethem theory to

people who you are trying to influence, um, talks about how you cannot want, and a lot of this is obvious, right? Like you can't want something more than somebody else does and how to implement influences over someone, but letting them think that it's their idea. Basically this idea that like, if you constantly tell someone or have a conversation with someone about, you know, they need to lose weight and they need to eat healthier, that's actually not going to work. And in fact, it might have them rebel against that push back. So the idea here would be to influence by leading by example. So you don't need to have a conversation

with your daughter, especially if she is generally pretty confident in herself and you want her to continue to be that way. You don't need to be having any sorts of conversations with her about this because if she's comfortable with where she is, you don't need to have a conversation. What you need to do is lead by example. And also let's not forget she is 12 years old. So she's still going through puberty whether she is completely developed or not, she is still going through puberty, whether she is completely developed or not, she is still in that puberty period. So that does not mean that she's not going to change and grow further. If she's 10 pounds more than you right now, that doesn't mean that she's going to be 10 pounds more than you in five years from now. Because if she's playing

sports, if she's active, if her metabolism changes, if her habits change, but if you're wanting to change, if you're wanting her to lose weight, which I think is absolutely insane for a 12 year old to ask a 12 year old to lose weight in the midst of puberty, whether she's fully developed or not, you just need to implement these changes that you're wanting to make within the household and everybody needs to do it. Not I was gonna say like, I'm like literally sweating because I'm

infuriated, creating healthy habits across the board where one child would not be singled out, I think would be a better solution if, if that even is a solution. Regularly, like I'll go on walks and I invite Jackson to go with me and he's, he's literally this big, as big as my pinky, but it's a healthy habit for him to do. So that should not be encouragement to lose weight. It should be encouragement to create healthy habits for yourself. And everybody across the board should be doing that in the home, not just one person. I agree. And if you think that having a conversation with her about this isn't going to break her

confidence, no matter how gently you approach her with this, you are dead wrong and she will remember this conversation no matter how nicely you put it for the rest of her life. I remember when I was 12 years old, probably between, I don't know, 10 and 12 years old, my mom used to call me Chunky Monkey and tried putting me in YMCA sports. First of all, you're more embarrassed

about how I look for your own image, you're more embarrassed about how I look for your own image than you were ever caring about how I was doing in my actual wellbeing. And that was also influenced by a man that she was dating. And I'll never forget that for the rest of my life. So I was probably around that age. I also know my kids have gone through puberty. I know my kids are a little bit older. Well, Isaac's a little bit older than you. He went through a phase where he was a little puffier than he is now. And he looks back and he like laughs at it, but I never once made a comment about it because I knew one, it doesn't matter. And two, he's going to grow into whoever he's going to grow into regardless. But if you're

having feelings about your daughter wanting to lose weight, but she's not, that speaks to me about who you are as a mom and a person. And I don't fuck with this. So I really need you to just set the tone. If you want to change habits, start with yourself. I also think, and could be wrong, I can only speak from going through puberty, not watching a child go through it. I feel like that's like the most awkward phase for your body ever, right? Like you're growing and developing and becoming an adult through puberty versus as a child.

And I feel like that probably was my heaviest time of my life, probably some somewhere around fifth grade. Yeah, I agree. I don't like and your body's just like, weird. It's going through so many changes. So I just feel like you can't base Oh, because she's 10 pounds heavier than you also. I feel like that's a very toxic mindset to be playing a comparison game and comparing

your weight to your daughter's weight. Yeah, I don't know what that's a very toxic mindset to be playing a comparison game and comparing your weight to your daughter's weight. Yeah, I don't know what that's about. Especially based on your heights, it sounds like you guys are below average height. So to sit there and talk about anyone's weight regarding that, I don't know. I can just say at the point that you become image conscious, I feel like that will inevitably at the point that it sinks into you, it will inevitably follow you for the rest of your life. I'm just like, I'm stuck on the part where it says she is generally pretty confident in herself and I want her to continue. I want her to continue being that way at the point

that it says that what are you trying to do? I think it's a very similar situation to what you explained with your mom. I think nobody could have said it any better that it was a focus on how people perceived her through you and less about you. The mom needs to lead by example and like you said, change the habits in the household, not just for this one girl, especially for like, I just can't. I also think that we should have a conversation at some point about creating healthy relationships

with food, because I've struggled a lot between the houses like with Will and I, the way he does stuff, he's like, you're gonna eat it. And for me, at my house, we have the three bite rule. You try three bites of it. If you don't like it, I'm not going to force you to eat it. You and I have talked about this before, establishing a healthy relationship for yourself with food because I like something does not mean that my child is going to like it and I'm not going to make him eat it. And that's how I feel too. But I will say that there, we've had to create some boundaries

around food. Specifically, two of my kids will eat some of their dinner and they'll be like, can I have a snack? And it's like, well, what kind of snack are you looking for? They won't finish their dinner, but they want a bag of chips. But it's like, okay, no, you don't have to finish all of your dinner. But if you're going to ask me for a snack, it has to be some sort of like protein bar, or needs to be a banana or it needs to be a yogurt. It has to be something like, you do not have to finish every single thing that's on your plate. But if you've had enough of what's on your plate and you're asking me for a snack, it's

not going to be a bag of chips. There's a time and place for chips and that's not it. It actually happened last night. He was like, mom, I ate most of my dinner. Can I have a snack? Well, what snack do you want? Chips? No. If you're still hungry, you gotta eat something

that's gonna basically make up for what's not eating on your plate. When do you feel like a bag of chips is like an appropriate snack? Maybe for lunch, they be in a sandwich and a fruit and a yogurt or something, and then they want a bag of chips. Or they eat in all their dinner, then they want a bag of chips or they

eat in all their dinner or they eat a portion of their dinner, they ate a snack like a banana, yogurt, whatever, like in addition to their dinner, maybe a little bit later they want a chip. Okay, fine. I think that they're, but like, it's so hard for a couple of my eaters to get like the nutritious items. So that's where it's like trying to find the balance between, because I don't deprive my kids of the chips, right? Like I have chips in the house. I have pirate's booty. I have cheeses. I have veggie straws, but I also

don't want that to replace something that could benefit them. So Creed is notorious for wanting snacks and juice before bed. And it's like, no, you can have a bar, you can have a yogurt, you can have a banana, you can have an apple, stuff like that. You're not getting chips before bed, no matter what you eat. Do you know what I mean? But I think that that speaks to creating

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are today. On that subject, in a recent post on the parenting subreddit has sparked an interesting conversation about whether parents should be forcing their kids to finish eating their food on their plate. Plenty of nuisance is served in the comments. The Reddit post, which sits with over 650 comments today Received a range of good feedback on the matter from parents one commenter wrote I don't make them finish but I do set their plate aside and when they say I'm hungry an hour later. I

Explain it's because they did not finish their dinner and give them the rest many people resonated with this comment and it got over 1.4 thousand upvotes. Someone else said, I can tell when they've reached the point versus taking three bites and saying they are full and asking for snacks a hundred times afterwards. That I do not allow. So it's the same thing of what you're saying. I kind of like the idea of setting the dinner aside.

I've done that a couple of times, like not really knowing that I've done it. You know what I mean? Like I'm not really thinking if it's pizza or something, it's going to go right back and this might be gross to some people, but it's going to go back in the box. You can eat it when you're hungry. But there are certain things that I've definitely done that with, but other things I don't even think about it. I definitely like that idea too, especially for Creed. He's probably my pickiest eater right now. That makes a lot of sense. Like just set it aside when you're hungry. If you want to eat, here's more of your dinner.

So from a child psychologist and eating disorder recovery coach, she says, parents should not force their kids to finish their food. When kids are forced to finish their plate, they're being taught to ignore their fullness, cues, and eat past the point of comfort. She explains most of us know that sweet spot where we feel pleasantly full, we push beyond that and we can quickly end up feeling uncomfortably stuffed and that's not a nice feeling. Forcing kids to keep eating does the same thing. She also points out as adults, we often forget our appetites can change day to day. Some days we feel hungrier because we've been more active or use our brains more. Kids are the same. Sometimes they're hungry because of growth spurts or busy day of play. And other times they're just not that hungry and that's okay.

I agree with all of that. I agree with all of it. I feel seen and heard by some of this conversation because I get so frustrated sometimes when my kids will like eat bites of their food and then they're asking for snacks. And I'm like, what am I doing wrong? Like what, where am I going wrong here that this keeps happening and it happens over and over and over again. So when it's happening to other people, it makes me feel better. I will say that too, and I don't know where this comes from, maybe someone can give me insight, is my kids up until probably Rio's age are such good eaters.

Like they'll eat anything I put in front of them. Rio and the twins are such good eaters. All my kids started off as good eaters. And then all of a sudden, they don't want to eat vegetables anymore. And then I've read things that's like, we'll keep presenting them the vegetables and they'll they don't want to eat vegetables anymore. And then I've read things that's like, we'll keep presenting them the vegetables and they'll decide what they want to eat and what they don't want to eat.

To get Lux and Creed and even Lincoln to eat or try vegetables at this point is like, it's not happening. And so I'm going to have to start sneaking it in vitamins and smoothies maybe, but then some of them have a texture issue. Like I don't know where to go from here because at this point, I mean, Lincoln's 11, he can choose what he's gonna eat, what he's not gonna eat, same for Lux and Creed.

It's like I can present them a different vegetable every single day of the week, they're not gonna eat it. Jackson's really, really good about eating vegetables and he never transitioned because I always presented that when he was little, like you're saying, like being a great eater, but I have noticed the older that he gets, the more he feels comfortable

to have an opinion about something. It's not like putting a plate in front of a baby and they can't really articulate if they like it or if they don't and they know they're supposed to eat it, right? As an older kid, I feel like they start creating habits as we did when we became adults. I grew up in a household, you eat what you are served and if you don't eat it, then you're not eating. There is going to be nothing else served. I don't do that. I am basically a

short order cook and that's embarrassing to say, but I am. I will cook him what I know that he's going to eat within reason. Same. I don't know the solution about vegetables. vitamins, maybe. I don't know. I'm at a loss because I mean, Lincoln's not gonna eat a vegetable no matter what. I want to read this quote to you on this topic as well. It says, forcing your children to eat their full plates leads to problems with self-regulation

where eventually those children will struggle to stop eating once they're full. She also says this can lead to food anxieties or even eating disorders later in life. Yeah, I believe it. Then in another quote, she says, eating disorders are serious mental illnesses that can have a huge impact on someone's life. And I know that firsthand.

Have you ever, this sort of is a full circle conversation maybe to the listener topic of talking to her 12 year old, like a child being embarrassed of their parent and so developing an eating disorder because of their embarrassment of a parent. What do you do about that? I mean, the best thing I would even be able to say is take that child to a child psychologist because I feel like they're going to have to understand

the root cause of why they are acting in the way that they are acting and why they have an unhealthy relationship with food and why that other person has such an impact on how they look and how they feel. And then creating healthy habits. I try to tell my kids now and it's hard. This goes back to like leading by example is like, at some point, like, yeah, everyone looks great now. But at some point, if you don't have healthy habits, you're going to be struggling like I have, and I'm going to get surgery and I'm doing, you know, I've done all the yo-yo diets, I've done all the fad diets, I've done, you know, getting a C, not a C

section, getting a tummy tuck and liposuction and you know, all kinds of things that I don't want my kids to go through. And so trying to do lead by example, you know, like put the Peloton in my room so I can, you know, try to get some stuff done. I bought ankle weights and wrist weights that, you know, because I'm like, I sit at a desk all day. So it is sometimes really hard to like get in what I need to get in. And I don't live in an area that I can go for a walk. Like I live, I live off a main road. So like, I can't just go for a walk. So it's like trying to I was going to put wrist weights on so that at least when I'm like doing stuff during the day at my desk, that I'm like getting a little bit of a workout. But like truly

leading by example, and that's so hard, because I never had those habits. I never was taught healthy habits as a child. And I'm not, I'm not blaming my childhood here. What I'm saying is it's been harder for me to implement them as an adult because I never was. It's not like I saw even healthy habits and just didn't implement them. I never saw healthy habits anywhere, not in any of the families I stayed with, no offense to any of them, love them to death, you know, not by my own parents, not by my family members. And so like I, it's hard for me as an adult now, we're like now trying to teach my kids healthy, healthy habits,

what I'm not even doing. And you know, maybe their dad sometimes does is proving to me a lot harder. And it's showing how much that it does affect your children, right? Because there are certain things that grow with them from small childhood all the way up into like their teens. And that's why I think it's so important for them to see by example, right? So Jackson will see me eating a salad all the time or fish or vegetables. He might not be doing it, but it encourages him in some way to eat in a similar way because he knows that if I'm doing it, it's a healthy thing. Right, right, right, right, right, right.

I do think that a lot of his interest for certain food groups came from me eating them. Fair, but I also eat them and my kids have no interest. Well, your kids, Kale, have minds of their own. Like every single one of your children has such an individual mind. I really don't think any of your kids are that similar. They're not, except sometimes in their eating habits. The lack of eating. Vegetables.

But like what's a regular night at your house, like a dinner? Depends, like we had boxing and soccer last night, so we decided pizza. I'm assuming tonight will probably be green beans, chicken, and I don't know, mashed potatoes, something like that. I think I sent you a picture of Rio eating one night. Yeah, you did.

Asked me if he was a good eater and I'm like, yeah, he literally eats green beans, broccoli, anything. So it really just depends on the night and what we have going on, but it's been rough. Like it's been, and not rough all the time, but sort of ebbs and flows. I'm going to do a little research this week and get back to you on what you can possibly do to implement the vegetables. I'll get back to you on that. On that note, we have foul play. Hello. I've been in the criminal justice slash

law enforcement world for 20 years. When I graduated college, I started my career working at a federal halfway house. As you can imagine, it was pure chaos at all times. There was one particular individual who did suffer from mental illness and required multiple med checks daily. One morning, he came up to the office and needed his meds. He stood there waiting for me to dispense his meds and I noticed blood all over his fingertips. I asked

him if everything was okay. Did something happen? He just looked at me and said, well, you know, sometimes when you get hemorrhoids, you just need to get them tucked back in. You know, I quickly realized his fingers were all covered in blood from tucking his own hemorrhoids back into his asshole. Oh my God. Soon many other residents came up to me complaining because this individual was also running his bloody hemorrhoid fucking fingers down the walls, leaving streaks of blood all over the place. Needless to say a good deep cleaning. Oh, needless to say we needed a good deep cleaning that day and it was so foul. He acted like it was just a normal day. Thanks for the laughs and I hope this one makes you hysterical. I've seen a lot in my day as a probation officer

and this memory is still one of the most foul. Okay. That is absolutely disgusting. I don't know why a grown person would stick their fingers in their butthole and rummage around, ram fucking hemorrhoids back up in it, and then rub their hand on a wall like they're rubbing a booger like a little kid. Like- Because I think he was probably walking down the halls and like doing one of these kinds of things.

Well, that doesn't, there's no justification. No, there's no justification, but that's how I pictured it. I'm just wondering, because I thought hemorrhoids were on the outside of your butthole. I'm just wondering because I thought hemorrhoids were on the outside of your butthole. I'm just wondering why you would tuck them back in. So is there a removal process? Is it like a skin tag that you can go have removed? Or like, what does that look like? Oh, so Kristen said he was finger painting. Also, you can have internal and external hemorrhoids and you can get them clipped. The problem is, and I wanted to say this

when you were reading it, that medical in federal prison is absolute fucking ass. So not surprised that this person would have hemorrhoids out their ass like that and not be tended to or them to be able to get any type of medical attention. This was a halfway house. I'm not sure what the difference would be in health care from like a federal prison versus federal halfway house. I'm not entirely sure. Definitely yes.

Okay. So that's terrifying and really sad. I just don't understand, I guess, why, where were you tucking your hemorrhoids in at that like there wasn't a sink that you could wash your hands? I don't think he cared. I don't think he cared. I don't think he cared. It's like when I go to put a tampon in when I'm on the rag, as we'll calls it, I go and wash my hands immediately after. Um, yeah. But like, I'm not Kristen said, he went rogue. Like he absolutely went rogue. And maybe you know what the the mental toll that would be taken on someone in a federal facility

like that with the lack of medical care. I could understand from inside knowing situations why someone would go rogue. Like I take back everything that I just said and be like, I'm glad that he wiped his bloody fucking hemorrhoids on the wall. But I'm wondering if there's mental illness at play. Absolutely. Like no, no person and they're saying mind is going to be like,

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