Coffee Convos with Kail Lowry and Lindsie Chrisley - ENCORE Vegas, Vitamins & Vows

Episode Date: December 25, 2025

Let's revisit an earlier episode from 2025!Family trips, sleep training, and Uno in Vegas! Kail and Lindsie talk about friendship woes, co-parenting puzzles, and a chilling true crime. Plus, divorce advice and the ultimate Foul Play karma story. Thank you to our sponsors!Better Help: This episode is brought to you by BetterHelp. Visit BetterHelp.com/coffee today to get 10% off your first month.Chime: Get started at chime.com/coffeeRocket Money: Cancel unwanted subscriptions by going to RocketMoney.com/COFFEECONVOSSee Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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I feel very attacked by you. A spirited discussion about motherhood, friendship, family, and life in the public eye. I'm just not with the fakery anymore. There's a fakery bakery bakery around here. Here's Kail and Lindsay. Good morning, Kitty Kat. Welcome to Coffee Convo's podcast. How are you?

Good morning. Do you have hair extensions in? I do. Oh, they look fantastic. Yeah, they look great. You know that this is the first time ever. I've been on like a vitamin journey just like in general in life, just taking like all these supplements. I went from taking no supplements to like everything. And my hair was so healthy that only had to put one row of extensions in. Oh, I love that. I am taking a probiotic at the moment, neutralful. And then I'm working on getting some sort of vitamin situated, like a regimen for myself. The problem is that if I don't have them at my desk or next to my bed, like my nightstand, where I can see them, I can't put them in a drawer. I have to have them out. But I also hate the way clutter looks. That's where I'm

struggling. I'm trying to find like a good vitamin regimen because I am anemic and whatever. But that's the goal is to get on a good vitamin regimen. You know what really started me on that is that David takes so many vitamins. I felt like I was not doing enough for myself. I kind of felt FOMO. So many vitamins a day that he has a tackle box of vitamins that he carries around everywhere. I kind of love that though. I'm like, why do you have a tackle box? Like, this is very alarming. Like, do you have health issues? I heard that vitamins are all a scam, though, also. I don't believe that. I don't care if they are. If it makes me feel better, I'm doing it. I mean, I'm not big on, like, the gummy vitamins.

The only gummy vitamin that I take is before bedtime, and it's, I don't even know if I'm pronouncing this right. So please, like, don't come for me. Oshwaganda. Is that how you say it? I think so. I've heard good things about Lyons, Maine, but I don't know if they're a scammer. I don't care.

If it's a placebo effect, I'll do it. Oh, my God. I wanted to talk to you about this parents article about parents decided to take one kid on vacation and leave their other kid home. And before I read the article, I just want to say that I've done this. And for various reasons, I have taken some of my kids on vacation, depending on what the relationship is with the dad. Like if the dad doesn't want to give up time or they have something going on, Elliot didn't want to go to Disney. He didn't want to miss school for Disney.

So I brought my nephew instead. Like, there are reasons why people do this. But this one in particular, it's on parent.com. And it said parents with multiple kids will likely have asked themselves this question 123. times. How do I give each child quality one-on-one time? It can sometimes feel impossible, which I can agree with. Different stages, behaviors, and abilities may mean one kid requires more than others. And I also agree with that. Being that at summertime, we do have a trip coming up. And though I thought I selected this week, as one of my weeks, I don't think Lux and Creed can go.

And so unfortunately, I'll just be bringing Elliott to go on this family in the UK so that they had taken their first on a trip to Italy when he was a baby and they wanted to give their second a similar experience. And so they did the same with their second. And I don't see anything wrong with this so long as it's under like it's for the right reasons, right? Like you're not not taking your kid because you don't, you simply just don't want them to go. It's because you're trying to create one on one time or more like if I have two kids versus five or if I have two kids versus seven, I'm going to spend more quality time with the two of them than I am if I'm dividing it between seven. Does that make sense? But also you have to look at the financials of dividing it

between seven too. And so you have to look at the pros and cons of taking seven kids somewhere where let's say maybe only three want to go. But because you're not dividing those kids out, you're going to have to split the finances between seven. Three of them wanted to go. The others didn't want to go. So I also think the experience would be changed too. Well, so I'm thinking about Disney, for example, right? Elliot said that if he had to choose between another trip where he had a miss school and Disney and missed school, he didn't want to miss school for Disney. If it was somewhere else, he would have.

So he didn't come. Lincoln wanted to go, Lux and Creed wanted to go. I was not going to pay for Rioversum Valley when they were one and two at the time to go to Disney. And now I'm paying for them to go to Disney and then also splitting my undivided attention to the older kids with babies and hindering. the older kids experience with the younger kids. And I understand that that's not possible for everyone to do. But I'm saying that to say, I do think that there is a world where both can be true.

Like, you can give your kids undivided attention and then also not take all of them on vacation. But it also is not the same trip for parents who have kids that are like spread out in ages. If we're using Disney as an example, I feel like the park that you would be visiting for the littles is very different than the experience of the parks that the older kids would want to experience. So then how do you divide that also? To me, it's better to take two trips, do one with the littles and then one with the bigs. That's what I, I literally, when we took the older kids to Disney, last year, I told Elijah that I didn't want to go back to Disney until the twins were like five. And then I would take the littles to Disney for their own trip because I would imagine,

obviously, if the older kids want to come, great. But if they don't want to come, it can be just for the littles. So it says in this article, it says that according to commenters, they were bashing the parents for the decision. It says, what a horrible idea. I can't imagine anything worse. Memories are to be made as a family. Another person says, I would never take one without the other. Somebody else says, after having kids, I totally understand and give the same respect to all children. I think that this is pretty thoughtful. So I personally think that you just have to do whatever is best for your family. I don't think there is really necessarily a right or wrong answer. But in this specific situation, it says the realities of having a toddler, including constantly needing to chase after

them, takes away the attention from the baby, plus the trip allowed the dad to bond more with the infant who has been more attached to mom because of the nursing schedule. I do understand that like things, you know, should be done as a family. And I think there's a place for that to happen outside of trips also. I don't think that that should be the determining factor of if we're taking this child and this child. And there's a time where I want to take all of my kids on a vacation. But right now with the babies being two and one, for what? Well, I can tell you, blended family situation over here, Jackson loves to go to Braves games.

The other, not so much. So he wants to go to a Braves game this week. And she likes to do arts and crafts. So it's like, okay, I'll take you to Buff City Soaps. and we can make like bath bombs and do all that stuff and they can go to the Braves game. And I feel like everybody served at the same time, but doing something different. Yeah. Agreed. I like that idea. Okay. So as we're speaking about kids, I need to know your thoughts on this. I saw it and I was like,

I have to talk to Kail about it. It was a TikTok about sleep training under one. And it said it's harmful. So I'm just going to give you a summary of the TikTok, but we will post it for you guys to be able to get all the contacts. the TikTok was saying, when they cry, they need you and they're scared and they're in distress. If you don't go get them at all, you're teaching them that this is, this world is unsafe place and you're an untrustworthy attachment figure for them. They carry that into their life, their relationships, and feel lonely and alone. It's a great way to give a child the foundation for mental illness. Boys are more neurologically fragile than girls.

So sleep teaching can be hard. And I know that you've told me a lot of times you have more. multiple kids that still get in your bed, would love to know if you sleep trained, if you did the very, I would say, like, viral idea of mommy on call or whatever it's called. Did you do that and did you let your kids cry it out? I am not a fan of the cried out method at all. I don't love it. It stresses me out.

It stresses the kids out. the only child that I had sleep training with was Biggie, obviously for those of you who don't know that I call Creed Biggie. He, to this day, is not a great sleeper, but I use rest as best for anyone who's looking for a sleep trainer. It wasn't a cried out method. It was just like soothing them in their own room and rubbing their back. Instead of like picking them up, pulling them out of their environment, taking them out of their environment, taking them downstairs going to the living room doing taking them to my it's like soothing them in their room and not letting them cry it out so it's a different sort of method for sleep training i think

what this is referring to is like the cry it out sleep training that's never worked for me and i'll tell you what lincoln marshal merriquin never slept in a crib a day in his life because he would never sleep without me or hobby and i don't know like i agree with this it's like when they're scared they just want their mom and you can't spoil a baby they're just looking for comfort I feel like Jackson and Lincoln are so similar, and I don't know if it's because we were both in marriages when we had those children. I don't know if that has anything to do with it or, you know, a factor that plays into it at all. Very much like Velcro kid and needed the constant reassurance of me being there. Yep.

He never went to a crib until he was two years old, which is, almost like too old for a crib, he slept with us every single night of his life until he was two years old. I actually get sad that some of my, like, Elliot would never sleep with me as a baby, as a toddler. Lincoln did, Lux did, Crete did, and then Rioverson Valley never did. So it's always, like, I get sad because they're only little for so long. I know. And I'm just like, it's not that big of a deal. The only reason that we moved him out of the bed was because I think that at that time was when our marriage started getting a little rocky. And so I think Will was trying to eliminate like all outside factors that could be causing an issue. And with him being in the bed, obviously,

you know, what married people do when they go to bed, they fuck. So, you know, you don't have to be married for that. But, you know, in my situation, that's, that's what I feel like you should be doing and that just eliminates, that eliminates that entire situation. Let's talk about Chime because Chime is not just another banking app. They unlock smarter banking for everyday people with products like My Pay, giving you access to up to $500 of your paycheck anytime and getting paid up to two days early with direct deposit. Some old banks still don't do this.

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Are you gambling? You sent me that and I was in the bed absolutely howling at some of the comments. I want to go to Vegas with you specifically to play Uno. But what's so funny, the screenshot that is on the screen right now, it literally says, liked by Kail Lowry. I would go to Vegas just for Uno. Like I'm not, I don't want to be there all night. I don't want to be drinking.

want to play uno and that's it. But people make up their own rules and they become, it's like the mandala effect where like stacking the draw two, draw four, whatever, stacking those. Like those are all, I think, made up rules. So I saw in the comments and never knew this before reading the comments that you could not stack cards. I thought that was just the way that you played. I feel like that's the way I've played since childhood. But apparently you can only use one of those cards out of time. I only learned about stacking this past year. And so you stack. I thought you could, but you also can't do, I think you can't do a draw four on top of a draw four. Well, it says AOL did a report on this and it says, Uno will be available in Las Vegas

Casino for the first of its kind elevated social experience. It says entry to the event is limited and money will not be at stake. I feel like this is such an epic way for casinos to get like non-gamblers into the casino, right? Like, is it just a complete like marketing business move to get them there? No, it's a thousand percent market. It's good marketing though. Like that's we just said, you and I just said we would go to the casino just for that. 1,000 percent and the mojitos.

Oh, and I would definitely play and I would eat a lot of snacks. and I'd play Uno. But it does say that this is going to be a short-lived promo. Why? Maybe they'll see how it does. If it does really well, then they'll keep it going. It's only supposed to be for a weekend. I do hope that money will be at stake at some point during this because you and I are flying

to Vegas to like do this. Could you imagine we just say we're out, we can't record this week, we're going to Vegas to play Uno. Could you imagine? Everybody would be so fucking pissed. No, I think that Kitty Cats would support it, truly. I think they'd be like, all right, circle back, let us know how it went, and they'd give us a free pass. It says that this is going to be called Uno Social Clubs. And I kind of want to like knock this off and start doing like little pop-up events around the country of us just like playing Uno and fucking people up by not playing it right.

Do you remember the Uno-themed birthday party I did for Lux and Creed? It was Romello is Uno and Lux was draw four because that was like the perfect. So, I mean, I'm down for anything Uno-themed. Kristen said Kitty Gang Meetup. Yeah. Not a Kitty Gang meetup. Okay. So there was somebody that says that they need for.

friend advice. And I need to ask you, do you think that you and I are like the type of people that need to be giving friend advice? No. I shouldn't really give advice at all, ever. Okay. Well, we're about to give friend advice. It says my best friend of 23 years and another really close friend of ours planned a girl's trip the same month of my 40th. They did not include me on it until after they picked the dates and bought plane tickets. They said that they didn't think that they would, they said that they didn't think that I would be able to financially go because I'm going through divorce and I told them that they have no place to assume my finances. I'm hurt by this and feel left out. I'm a master planner and save money left and right. In fact, I have money that I could go

but feel like I was given a leftover invite. Am I overreacting? They have they have both been there for me during the separation. So I don't want to discredit that. You know what? I would be pissed the fuck off. Yeah, this is actually sad because like it's giving me real. Yeah, because you don't know what someone's financial situation is and you could still invite her and she has she should have the right to say yes, I can go or no, I can't. Okay, does it piss you off if, and I'm, I'm saying this for a reason because I've got a story, but does it piss you off if you're like best besties with somebody? Like, it is your best friend. And then that person becomes best. friends with someone else does that piss you off it doesn't piss me off but it's weird it pisses

me off like it makes me like so you don't want to be my best friend anymore would you love me if i was a worm like it just is giving you can't have two best friends no i do feel like you can have a group of best friends but no you can i was just being dramatic but like within that group of best friends, like each of those best friends, best friend relationships are very different because if they weren't very different, then you would just have the one best friend. Well, so Emily and I were just in the car with someone else and we were talking about this. And he was like, you males only have one best friend through their entire, like that is their best friend, even if they don't talk. And me and Emily were like, but like my best friends in my life, like in real time, none of them even live

in the same state. So I have different best friends because they're all very different relationships and they all live in different states. Yeah. But like in Delaware, I only have one best friend. Do you know what I mean? So I just need the best friends with someone else. I'd be like, what the fuck? What the fuck? You'd be like, who is she? And how do I get her out of this? Literally. Like, are we fighting? Kristen says definition of hose and different area codes. Literally. 1000% but I don't get upset like if you and Emily are like going to the lake and like y'all went on y'all's like lake trip and then y'all hang out like at your pool that doesn't fucking bother me no I'm like that's if I lived in Atlanta it might bother you yeah I would be like why the fuck was I not invited to the cookout exactly and that's how I feel yeah but I know someone that became like really good friends with me and then met one of my friends threw me and then became they like kind of branched off yep and I was like yeah I don't

like all anymore collectively um that's definitely happened to me before and it was like wait what you know I would I would hate to admit this but I'm going to right at this moment um I kind of get upset when I feel like I'm not at the pool with y'all and I feel like I would hang out with y'all it's just like the distance is so far yeah like it's not a day trip you know what i mean like it's not like we could be like making a day out of it i can't just like come over in 30 minutes who was i talking to about garage games Taylor i got my hair done i never heard of garage games ever again that would be a day too soon well i was telling i hadn't seen taylor in a long time and i was telling her about garage games and i was cracking up what made me think of that

know, but it was cracking me up. And then I was like, that's Lindsay. Like, I would go to Atlanta to play garage games with you. Yes. Yes. Uno in the garage. Okay, but would it upset you if I was like, okay, if we're going to do like this whole garage games thing, like we need to make a full video of this. Like, it needs to go on social. People need to be aware of what this looks like. So everybody from the collective friend groups, right, that like we're associated with gets invited. Okay, so we're having garage games tournaments. Tournament. Yes.

Yes. Like, could we do that? We should do that. We should go camping with garage games tournaments. Wait, wait. Somebody, I had commented on something that you and Becky had posted. I think you were like recording in your camper. And I had commented something like, don't y'all get any ideas to fucking park this in my driveway.

No, we're parking it in your drive way. No, we're parking it in your driveway. People were like, please park it in her driveway. Like, I wake up and I see a camper in my driveway immediately not. And you are not connecting to like, don't you have to connect to like a sewer so you can shit? I think just electric. I don't know. I'm going to be so honest with you.

We can't use the camper for anything else because I can't pull the bitch. So. Wait, do you have a truck? Yeah, I have a high country silverado. How does Silverado? I got a high. country silverado. Wait, what's that song? Um, is it Morgan Wallin song? Yeah, ain't that some, yeah, yeah, yeah, ain't that some shit. Yep. Yeah. Yeah. We love that you have a silverado. Yeah,

I don't, um, I can drive the, it's diesel, but I don't drive it. Do you know that my son has saved a total of a total of $4.75 to buy a truck? I love that. I, when we were at the lake a couple weeks ago. I got to see my first cousins and they're teenagers. One's going to college and one is he's about to be a junior. He's six eight. He's 16 years old. He's six eight. And I, he pulls up to the restaurant and we're talking and I'm like, oh, like, you know, what are you driving? Because you're six eight, right? And he's like, oh, I drive an F-150. And I'm like, of course you do. You're 16 years old and you have to drive an F-150. And I'm like, the fact that like we're having to buy kids cars like cars and trucks soon i'm not ready like i have to i have to buy a vehicle for elliot

coming up you know i'm not there yet and i don't envy that situation are though because if you think about it jackson's what 12 yeah you have to start saving now he has four dollars and 75 are you matching what he's saving yeah so so now we're at like nine bucks i love that for y'all I love it. All right, y'all, let's talk about Rocket Money because we're obsessed and have been for so many years. If you didn't hear of Rocket Money already, Rocket Money is a personal finance app that helps find and cancel your unwanted subscriptions, monitors your spending, and helps lower your bills so you can grow your savings. I talked about this years ago when I was able to get an in-ground pool when I built my house. And what's cool about Rocket Money is that it shows all your expenses in one place, including subscriptions you forgot about.

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Rocketmoney.com slash coffee combos. Wait, wait, I have to tell you. So he was in the garage FaceTime and Will's dad this weekend, and he was showing him like all the things that he had done. he was practicing his golf swing and all of a sudden I hear him say yep and these businesses are going to afford me to be a millionaire and for me to be able to buy a truck and I said sir you have $4.75 like you are nowhere near but what what kind of truck are you buying an F150 okay well you know what I'm about to take F150 out because I am tired of fucking around

with men that drive F150s because that's all I'm evidently a truck whore. And I date me with the same truck. I, you know what? I can get behind the Chevys, but the F-1, the Ford, I just can't get behind the Ford. Don't do that to me. Like, tell them that they need to switch it up. Like, but don't come to me with a Toyota Tundra, okay? You're not driving no fucking pickup Toyota truck, okay?

Why? Because don't talk to me if you drive a Toyota truck. But why are you so heated about it? It's just like, if somebody wants to drive a Toyota truck, like, why? is that your fucking business. Toyota everything else, Toyota pickup truck, you're a douchebag. Yeah, but I have always been told that like Toyota's last and run forever. Like we're talking like 400,000. So get a forerunner. At the point that you drive like Toyota pickup truck, it's giving douchebag. It's giving where's my hug at? I just need to know, um,

do we think that like F-150s are the best truck on the road? no let me look up at f 350 but also i really like a good old high country silver auto do you just feel like it has like the like a bit of a gangster lane like that's why you like it's just yeah it's just a little bit of extra no a 350 i'm not a ford girly like i'm not i'm really not a ford girly i'm and also the jeep trucks are ugly like don't pull up to my house and a jeep truck with a bed. Like, that's weird. Wait. No, no, no. Okay. So Ford trucks, I absolutely love them. Have you ever heard, and I feel like this is only like Southern people say this, Ford stands for found on road dead.

Yeah. Yeah. You know what? The only car that I've ever had that I truly have had no issue out of is my Ford Bronco. I would love to get a Ford Bronco. I would also love. of a landowner. No. But I like the Bronco. Actually would love to get like an old school, like the one that O.J. Simpson, like that style Ford Bronco and like make it cool. Since we're such true cramers, could we just buy O.J. Simpson's Bronco.

It's in a like museum in Tennessee somewhere. And that could be our getaway car. I would agree. Okay. The next listener says, and I loved this one, 50, 50 households, how do we do groundings? daughter is an absolute monster for me sometimes. I'm talking fit, crying, screaming before bed in the middle of the night. I make her sleep in her own room, on bed. Occasionally, she can sleep with me. At her dad's, she sleeps wherever. She can do whatever she wants there, so she has no rules. With me,

there are rules, and I don't allow her to be a brat. She was grounded Sunday. And she was grounded Sunday, also her day to go with her dad, no iPad, no TV for two days. Today, she's at a Sam volleyball game and eating ice cream. He tells me that she doesn't have an added for him and so he isn't going to punish her. How do I handle this? I feel like the punishment should mirror the same at both houses so she knows she cannot treat one of us poorly if she knows that she is about to leave. I would agree with her that I do think that they should be the same in the houses, but there is unfortunately a lot of gray area and that just it sounds like he's not getting on board to do the same thing and you can't control what he does. So this is what it looks

like, and I'm dealing with the same exact thing. Like, what, where is the happy medium? If you don't have a co-parent that's willing to get on the same page with you about any of that stuff, what is the resolution? So I feel like the easiest way to solve problems like this is if everybody in a co-parenting situation could go off of the mentality of the punishment needs to match the crime. Will and I had a conversation very early on when we divorce, like we have to get on on the same page because we don't want Jackson coming to me for certain things and going to him

for certain things knowing that like I'm probably not going to care about what he's coming to me about and Will's not going to care, you know, vice versa and other situation. It's pretty much just like across the board. If the phone's taken during one week, he doesn't have it at either house because I don't feel like it's fair for me to punish for something. And I don't even like the word punishment like have a consequence for something right like you've been told that your phone should not be on past nine o'clock on school nights and now it's on at 11 so now I have to take it and you don't get to have it for the rest of the week I feel like it's fair for me to say that if I have him early in the week and for it just not to go to wills do you agree with that or do you think that

that is removing parenting from the other household no because it happened at your house and in order to keep it consistent, you were moving the phone altogether for the rest of the week makes sense to me. Some people would argue, though, you chose to do that at your house. You don't get to dictate if that punishment or consequence is going to follow at my house because you're not the parent at my house. I'm the parent. But then you cross into the territory of now is a double jeopardy.

The phone was taken at my house for the remainder of the week. and now you're going to go get a different punishment at your dad's house? Like, I don't know that that's a solution either. But also, if we're using the phone as the example, he takes the phone back over there and he gets it. The only thing that that's teaching him is that the consequence is only matter where the crime was committed. Which is not true. Correct. I don't know that there's a one size fits all.

And I'll tell you what, adding a co-parent that is not co-parenting will make or break the entire situation. I tend to agree. I'm so thankful that I'm not in some of the situations that I've seen you regularly find yourself in. I just, I think when you have two different parenting styles and you're trying to co-parent and there's two different homes, it's always a recipe for chaos. Yep. I agree. Oh, holy shit. So I saw, speaking of crimes, this was on Fox News and it says small town dentist facing trial for allegedly poisoning his wife's protein shake amid secret affair. Cyanide. What is cyanide? What is that? Where do people buy poison? I don't. Like how does one get their hands on lethal? doses of poison. I don't know, but it says that the jury selection is set to begin Monday in Colorado, where prosecutors allege that the local dentist murdered his wife by poisoning her

protein shakes with cyanide, all while secretly carrying on an affair and plotting a new life without her. This man's 47 years old, and he was charged with first degree murder after deliberation in the March 2023 death of his wife. She was a 43-year-old mother of six. It says the high-stakes murder trial is expected to last approximately three weeks. And not that anybody should be, like, poisoning somebody's protein shakes, but, like, you go to dental school for however long you go, and then you're just out here fucking around on your wife and poisoning protein shakes,

like risking your entire livelihood, like what, like what goes through these people's minds that are having these type of intricate affairs? Well, that's what I've always wondered. Like when I see like true crime stuff, ID channel, you know, TikToks, whatever, you can go get divorced. And like, yeah, it's more expensive, but there are alternative ways to do that. Honestly, women will be with men who are still married and not necessary. Like, like they didn't legally get divorced.

but the man is no longer living in the house. Like, there is other way. Like, you could just up and leave and you don't have to kill anyone. But I think that they don't think about the long term, right? Because now this man is on trial for murder. He's thinking about the short term, like, let me just get rid of her fast.

Then leave. And in their mind, they have to be sick and twisted because guaranteed, if you ask this man, what was your thought process? He would be like, well, I want my dentist practice. Like, I want this new woman that I'm in this affair with. So I'm just going to poison protein shakes. Like, I don't think that they'll get caught.

Well, okay, so a dentist is a doctor. So they probably didn't want to lose money with a divorce. I guess I could see that. They don't want to have to pay alimony for cheating or whatever. He probably felt like there was no other. But in today's society, you can't get away with shit like this. So like while I understand, okay, I'd lose half of my business or I'll lose half of my income, whatever, like that is a small price to pay for your ultimate happiness with

this person that you think that you're going to be happy with forever. Not saying that that's the case, but like losing half your money is a small price to pay in order to be happy in the long run, which sounds like that was the goal. Trust me, I'm aware, very personally aware. And I didn't kill anybody. This episode is sponsored by BetterHelp. The holidays are a time of traditions. Now's the time to reflect on what they mean to you and to rewrite the traditions and make your own.

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She was hospitalized several times before slipping into a coma and being declared brain dead. Oh, so he basically killed her. No, like he killed her. No, no, no, like he was, okay, I did not realize that he was successful in this. I thought that maybe she lived. It says that she was admitted into the hospital under suspicious circumstances, and then authorities turned to investigate the man that. they thought was involved. And it says that his dental colleague alerted hospital staff and police to a suspicious chemical delivery. So like, would a dentist be able to order cyanide,

like, legally? Yeah. But I mean, potassium. People work for you that have morals that would report something like this because if a lot of people would be scared and maybe he wouldn't have gotten caught if that colleague didn't report it. Well, apparently he was fucking around with an orthodontist. So they were planning on cleaning teeth and fixing them. Okay. They were like, Coffee Como's podcast has eight children collectively. They could bring them to our practice and then send them to our orthodontist practice. Yes. Like they were probably going to be praying on people like us. Okay. I also need to know why people who get in like these types of affairs to the point where you have to like,

attempt or or successfully kill someone off why are you emailing each other during times of crime people really are so fucking stupid that they don't like get a burner phone create a burner email maybe get a burner fucking laptop like you're going to have to go to lengths to not get caught but my bigger question is just like what is that like why I mean, this man went through links. I'm just saying, like, why are we sending emails, but then we're ordering chemicals to kill someone with a protein shake? You think you're not going to get caught or you're immediately not going to be a suspect.

Like, you're evidently not that smart, so I don't want you clean my teeth anyway. But it says that the emails were obtained through search warrants and that there were intimate conversations and planned trips, and he was deliberately trying to conceal his relationship using a secret email address. Okay. Well, where he fucked up was that he didn't have, he needed to use a secret computer as well, not his regular everyday computer. But he needed a burner iPhone. He needed a secret laptop. Like in order to get away with it at this point, like that's the type of length that you have to go. All I can say is that I saw the family photo of the, of the the dentist, his wife, and their six children.

They have six kids. They have six kids. Okay, let's just say in a hypothetical situation that you're with somebody and you just say, you know what, it's like not working for me anymore. I've done that four times. We know. So do you not look at your children in their face and feel like such a sense of guilt? Like imagine trying to poison your partner.

so that not only your kids now are going to lose you because you did such like a heinous act, but they're also losing your partner so they have no one. I also would just like to give advice whenever I was trying to get divorced, I went and saw an attorney in Dover, Delaware. I've talked about this before. I'm going to reiterate. She looked at me dead in my face during that consultation and said, Kale, now is not the time to get divorced.

Go back home, get your ducks in a row, and come see me in a couple. months. Like, if you are thinking about killing somebody, like you want to leave someone, you want to start a new life, you want to do it. My advice here is go consult an attorney and see what they would, what is worst case scenario, right? Like for the people who are worried about losing half their business or their income or they have to pay alimony and child support, like go talk to an attorney and see what worst case scenario is so that you can come up with a game plan. Because I feel like we're using killing someone as a first line of defense when it shouldn't the way that I thought you were saying consult an attorney about murder no I wasn't saying consult them about murder go

consult them about like where you would stand financially because that I think is part of it and then like for the people who want to leave their partners but they feel like they can't because they don't have the funds also go see an attorney because there are a lot of attorneys who will consult for free and you can see like what they might have resources for you they might say okay like you don't have the funds, but maybe there's pro bono. Maybe there's a way to get divorced without it. Like, what are the resources after you get divorced? Like, there are, go seek that out before you think about killing someone. Because, like, I have three pigs. I don't know how many bodies they can eat. Oh, my God. No, but does Delaware have like a family center, like in y'all's counties

to where you can go to get, like, free advice on stuff? Because I know we have that here. And you're legal advocates for people who can't, like, afford certain filings and stuff like that, they will help them advocate for themselves through the legal process. I'm not sure. I actually don't know. You could ask Chris Lopez. He might have used. I don't know who he uses to file all his stuff.

I could ask him. I also just need to say, at what point of your life, like, does it get so. bad and and i do think that there can be like some very bad situations but like at what point do you just like immediately go like murder i've never thought about killing someone so i don't never crossed my mind to be like oh i'm i could definitely kill that person that's never eating somebody's door down but like never pew pew never i don't know so like to come across some people who think that way is so weird. Speaking of the legal advice that you were talking about, I'm about to seek some legal advice

on several different avenues of my life as well. We have another person who emailed us. Hi, ladies. My name is Gigi, and I really hope that this email reaches you. I want to start off by saying, I love your podcast and look forward to hearing it every Thursday on the way to work. I don't have any friends. So when I listen to you girls, I feel like I'm chatting with you personally. I'll get straight to the point. I've been married for 10 years and been with my husband for 15 years. I have a 17 year old daughter. And he has a son that is 19 years old, also from a previous relationship. We have a seven year old daughter together. I want to know at what point you girls knew that it was time to divorce. I've been unhappy for so many years now. My husband has a drinking problem and refuses to make any changes or help himself. We both work a lot, contribute to our home. But, still struggle to make ends meet. I try my best to make extra cash by selling baked goods and work full-time

at a demo office. While he works, side labor jobs with his dad's business, we're struggling financially and I've tried coming up with a plan or a budget and nothing seems to work. I have talked to him about getting a union job, which he has all the, which he has all the credentials and certifications for. I've mentioned various times it's for the best as he is not able to make ends meet with what he makes being with his dad. It's been like this for three years. I don't know. what else to do. I feel mentally exhausted and also very disappointed. He has disrespected me so many times at family gatherings. The next day, he acts like it never happens. He drinks every day and expects me to be okay with it. I feel trapped and want to leave, but he is helping me fix my legal

status here in the U.S. There's so many moving parts to the situation. I have tried for years to keep our family together, but I can't anymore. I just started planning an exit plan so I can be ready. It breaks my heart for my daughters, but I can't let him think that stay. I can't let them think that staying is love. Any advice is greatly appreciated. She lives in the state of California and only has one sister here. The rest of her family lives in Oregon, which is the plan to move there. This is layered. And I think that the best thing, like I just said, completely unrelated, but applicable, is go speak to an attorney to see what that looks like for you, especially if you do have issues with legal status.

Legal status. Go speak to an attorney, but also maybe really. out to an immigration attorney because I'm, I would go out on a limb and say that my entertainment attorney and my family attorney are not going to be as well versed on immigration and legal status as an immigration attorney. And I'm sure that you could reach out to, I had an immigration attorney on my, on my, on barely famous. You might be able to reach out to her. She may have no other, I'm not saying she can help you. I'm saying that she might know other immigration attorneys, but also speak to a family attorney before you do anything. This could help with your exit plan.

But it sounds like if you've been doing this for three years, it sounds like it's time to move on. I will say, and I don't know what your situation was, did you and Javi decide like you were getting divorce and then you just like went full throttle with it or there was. Javi lied to me and told me that he had already filed for divorce. He sent me this long thing, told me that I was getting my kids. taken from me. He filed for divorce. Like, I was going to get served, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. And I got that text message in the middle of class while I was at DSU. And so I was like, fuck, like, what do I do? So then I went to an attorney the very next day. And they said that he had not

filed for divorce, that it was a lie. There was no filings. And at that point, I was like, I'm filing because you're not going to play with divorce in my face like that. Mm-hmm. I will say my attorney's advice to me was to be the file. not for the purposes of like I felt like I needed like a stronger case or anything like that. Ours was so textbook really that that wasn't it at all. I just didn't want it looming over me to be like what you had to go through of, oh, I filed, you're going to get served like me waiting around for it, whatever. It's like I have the control to know like when I filed it and I know it's filed and I know

it's coming. So I think that that was really great advice. Um, I will say specialist for sure and a situation like this, finding somebody who specializes in certain things is definitely a must. And on waiting the three years, if you've been unhappy for three years, if I had anything to do, I would have gone back and gotten divorced in 2017 when I initially filed. I think trying to get your ducks in a row, um, before you break it to him. do because if he has a drinking problem, I would worry for your safety, you know, when he finds out. I don't know what that would look like if you would even be able to like get an apartment or something to be able to move out. Because I had always, I told Hobby, like, one day you're

going to go to work and we're not going to be here when you get back. Like that was good. That was my plan. But then that was the first time I talked to an attorney. She was like, you need to go get your ducks in a row. Hold on. Lincoln's calling me. Oh my gosh. Does it not make you so happy to hear his little voice? Yeah. And we're on a schedule, but he doesn't call me on the schedule. So. Oh, he doesn't? No. He's busy, ma'am. He's booked and busy. He is booked and busy. Okay, well, I want you to be able to call him back. So let's do foul play. Okay, here's my story for foul play. Back in my toxic era, I was with this guy for almost seven years. We met when we were 14 high school sweethearts and ended up living together. He loved cheating on me whenever he got the chance. I finally had enough and was spending the final six months getting my ducks in a row to leave. At the same time, he was always locking himself in the bathroom to send dick pics to random girls, I had no idea what he was doing. He did this for years leading up to this. One of the final times he must have thought, yikes, I need to get rid of some hair down there because he tried to use my name. I had no. that was in the shower. The only problem is that he was one of those guys that doesn't like to listen to other people or read directions. You're only supposed to leave nair on for a certain

amount of time, but he didn't read the instructions to know that. Almost an hour of him being in the bathroom, he opens the door, walks out, and he's crying. I mean, full on sobbing asking me for help. Knowing that he has been sending dick pics, fake genuinely, I ask, what happened? And he told me he used my nair on his dick and left it on for over 30 minutes. He couldn't even walk normally. It was it was slow and monkey-like. I couldn't do anything but laugh. He got mad that I didn't do anything to help, but I told him to put some cold water or aloe on it and figure it out. Fast forward, four years later, I left that loser a couple months later and ended up meeting my now husband and we have a healthy baby daughter. Hopefully my ex's second degree near burn healed because that won't be

cute in pictures. Hope this gave you a good laugh. I know it makes me chuckle years later. That is so funny to me because that is karma. Listen, I will never understand dick pics. Like that I have said this so many times. Like I will never understand it. I don't know what guy goes into a bathroom or stands in front of a mirror or is like laying in his bed with it pasted the side of his leg. Like, oh, this is the one.

Like absolutely the fuck not. Kail, I used to have this man on Instagram that would send me dickpicks every. single day and the crusty and rustiness like of this situation the folds like I can't and you know it's a problem because I would see his name pop up in the thing and I'm like oh there he is again and it became like a comedy show for myself because I'm like looking around the room to see like what he has going on um basically has bumps all over his dick and I'm like why would you sin that to someone. Do you think they're looking like they're fishing for compliments? Like what is that? I don't know. Like the unsolicited dick picks like bother me truly more than

than the ones from somebody that you would like know or that you were with. I can just tell you I have only received a dick pick from one person that I've ever dated. Dick picks from like the person I'm in a relationship with. Like if. But why do I mean to see? it in a picture. Like, okay. So you don't want to like, do you want to see what you're working with before you work with it? Absolutely not. Coffee Convo's podcast is up for a nomination in the Society and Culture category for the People's Choice Podcast Awards. Voting is open now through July 31st. To vote, you guys can click the link in the description of this episode or visit Instagram, Facebook, or official Facebook group. We appreciate you guys. Thank you for always

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