Coffee Convos with Kail Lowry and Lindsie Chrisley - Family Health Scare & Setting The Record Straight

Episode Date: September 21, 2023

CC308: Kail and the entire family are in limbo as she awaits the results of potential lead poisoning. Kail shares the experience with getting all her kids emergency tested and figuring out where and how this could have happened. Lindsie addresses the comments made on an episode of The Viall Files featuring Savannah Chrisley as a guest. She gives more details on why the blocking started between the siblings, how Nick should remember his roots in reality TV, and shares her feelings on Savannah's comments that Lindsie and Kyle did not treat Julie as their mother.Also, what are the thoughts on a Texas school switching to a 4-day school week and a person using a fan base to attack other people. For Foul Play, a listener recounts their first BJ and Kail gives us a TMI moment. Check out our Instagram @coffeeconvospodcast for more!  Thank you to our sponsors!Blindsgalore: Visit Blindsgalore.com today and order your FREE samples before their big 25th Birthday Celebration kicks off next week on Tuesday, September 26th and continues all through OctoberEmbrace: Head to EmbracePetInsurance.com/COFFEECONVOS and sign up for pet insurance todayHello Fresh: Visit HelloFresh.com/50convos and use code 50convos for 50% off plus 15% off the next 2 monthsKiwico: Get 50% off your first month on ANY crate line at kiwico.com/COFFEE

I hate gift giving and receiving. Receiving gifts is so weird. What do you say, thank you? This is Coffee Convos with Kale Lowry and Lindsay Chrisley. I really want you to be in your feels, Kale. That does not interest me whatsoever. I feel very attacked by you. A spirited discussion about motherhood, friendship, family, and life in the public eye.

I'm just not with the fakery anymore. There's a fakery bakery around here. Here's Kale and Lindsay. Kale. Yeah. Like are you here? I'm here. I am. I looked just absolutely crazy without mascara on. I don't know if it's my makeup. I look washed out. I don't know what's going on. Well, good morning Coffee Convose podcast listeners. My phone is in focus. I have a mimosa, a Lani in hand pretending like it's a real one. Wait, when I first got those, I thought they were real mimosas.

And I was like, I don't drink. I don't know if I'm going to like this. And then I realized that there was no alcohol in them. No, it's just a flavor. Just a flavor. I wonder how many people have like gotten that mixed up. Well, like waiting for the bus to hit, you know, and it's like it doesn't come. So yesterday we were supposed to record Coffee Coma's podcast and had to take Creed for pediatrician visit, which was supposed to be scheduled before he started school, but they were so booked that they had to put it in his chart, like at school that he was getting one on the 18th.

So they said at the school, like, make sure you get the lead and TV screening. Okay, no big deal. All my kids have had them, like it's not a big deal. So we go to the pediatrician, like I said, later than the school year started, but whatever, we get it done. And I had to request the lead situation.

And I've never had to do that because I guess it was like always done prior. So like I've never had to request it. Like it was just done for my other kids, like on its own. And so we're sitting in the room, we're already there for like over an hour past like what we should have been, but I guess they forgot.

No shade to this pediatrician's office because I love this pediatrician's office. I think they just forgot about us in the room. So she comes back in to clean it and she's like, oh my god, you're still here? And we're like, yeah, they told me that they'll be right back to prick his finger to do the lead test. And she's like, oh my god, and she's like, I'll go get them. So I was like, okay, she goes and gets them. And Creed, first of all, is a fucking trooper because I didn't know how he was gonna react to getting his finger stuck. Like I didn't know-

Was that the first time that he was happening? First time ever. Okay. Yeah, so he does, he's a trooper. We're looking at pictures, like I'm distracting him, whatever, he does great. And they're like, all right, it'll take four minutes. We'll be right back.

This shit comes back 12 But at 14 you go to the hospital to have interventions done. Oh my god so You go in and they like give you medicine to like pee out the lead and stuff like that. So it's like a big deal I The nurse the not the nurse the doctor like the the provider comes out and I'm crying like I'm already crying because I'm like I know something's wrong like something is not right and She's like he scored, you know for high exposure We're gonna send you over to the like across the street to the hospital to the lab to go get like the capillary one

And I was like alright well I got a call like my doctor because I have to tested. The rest of my kids have to be tested. Like what do I do from here? And she gives me the whole spiel, tells me what to do. So at this point, the appointment for his doctor appointment is at 1030, it's now one o'clock. And we haven't even left the pediatrician's office yet. Oh, when Kristen called me yesterday about this,

she was like, do you want to like move the recording to later in the day? And I was like, no, because this is going to be like an all day. Oh, and you weren't wrong. I didn't expect it to be all day because I was like, but then by the time we left the pediatrician's office, he hadn't eaten lunch. Like the whole, he was going to not go to school yesterday because he was going to go to the pediatrician and then it's only

from 9 30 to 12 30. So we were going to go home. And then I would's only from 9.30 to 12.30. So we were gonna go home. And then I would have come to, like I was gonna drop him off with Natalie at home and I would have came to record with you. Well, at this point, I'm like, okay, well, we've been at the pediatrician's office for like fucking 12 hours.

So I gotta feed him. I didn't even have like extra pull-ups or anything because this was supposed to be like, like they're in and out situation. Yeah. And like their pediatrician is so like, they're great. And so we're always in and out like as Kristin even for like a long visit, we're not there long. So I'm like, okay, I need to, I didn't even think about like the diaper bag or anything because he's still three. He still wears pull ups. And we I'm like, I have to feed him And I'm scared because I've never had him get blood drawn before.

So I have to feed him. I don't know if he's going to pass out. Oh my God. I don't know what this is going to be. So I was like, I'm going to go feed him lunch, go get blood taken, have Natalie meet me there at the hospital to pick up Creed. And then she'll take him home instead of me going home

and then go into the kids' school because then they had to be tested. So me and Creed get tested at the same time. Nat meets me there. then she'll take him home instead of me going home and then go into the kids school because then they had to be tested. So me and Creed get tested at the same time, Nat meets me there, she ends up holding him and like because they held him down, they didn't know how he was going to react. He was a freaking trooper, such a trooper. None of my kids have ever had their blood drawn. So now I'm like-

I was going to say that's like not, I feel like a common thing that happened. No. Well, so I was like, this is, I told the nurse that was like, or like the phlebotomist. I said, I have to go get my other three kids. Like, what time are y'all here till just so that you guys are prepared? I go pick everybody up from school, bring them.

And it's like, this isn't funny. It's not funny at all. But I told Kristin that Kristin was like, who do you think is gonna react the worst because none of them have ever had blood drawn I said Isaac Isaac's gonna probably pass out. He's not gonna cry But he's probably gonna pass out and I still look like I have cry eyes like I was crying all day yesterday I was so upset. I said I said I'm gonna probably pass out Lincoln's gonna ball his fucking eyes out Lincoln's gonna lose his mind He's not okay with stuff like this. He's very dramatic about stuff like this.

And Lux will probably just be, he'll probably like be scared, but like not scared. When I tell you that I could tell my fucking kids apart by the way they sleep at night without seeing their faces, I know my kids like the back of my fucking hand. Isaac has fucking ice packs on him, front pack everywhere, cause he's like, I'm not scared, but like, I don't know if I'm going to pass out. So they even thought

about putting him in a bed to like lay down. Oh, my God. It's fine. But he was like, I need these ice packs. Like this is exactly what I needed. And then Lux goes, he's cracking everybody up. Like he's just laughing the whole time. And he just thinks it's the funniest thing. And I'm like, no, this is serious. Like there's other people in here that are scared. Like I still look like I'm crying.

He was like, when they stuck him, he goes, oh crap. I said Lux and he goes, I was terrified, but it's fine. I'm like, oh my God. So then Lincoln gets in and he starts falling his eyes out. He's so upset. I don't know what the results are. I'll find out what the results are tomorrow, but I'm very, I'm nervous because, you know,

Elijah's house is technically, our properties were one property before. So his house was built before 1977. His house was allegedly built in 1950, but when he bought it, it passed all the lead testing. So I was like, okay, I don't know that for sure. I'm waiting on the paperwork because I want to see it. And my house was brand new.

So it's definitely not my house, but it maybe is the soil. So at this point, I'm on the phone with the, let me not get the title wrong. I thought it was the Department of Public Health, but it's the division of public health led poisoning prevention. I was talking to her and she was giving me the whole rundown. Everybody else was like in previous years,

like fine at my other addresses. So I don't know if it was like a false positive. I don't know if it's, because my well was I don't know if it's because my well was tested and I called the water company yesterday and they said that there's no well, there's no lead in my water. And I had a filter system put in plus reverse osmosis like maybe like six weeks to two months ago.

And so she said that that would remove any iron and lead that would ever pass through like with the reverse osmosis. So it's definitely not that. And so I'm just like racking my brain trying to figure it out. And I'm beside myself because I've never experienced anything like this. And to my knowledge, Creed's been fine. Like he hasn't had any behavioral issues, like slow progress, because that's like some of the effects from lead lead exposure and lead poisoning is like behavior Neurodivergent, I think it said like development development abnormal

What is it called like delayed learning stuff like that? And I don't think any of my kids have had that so I don't know like I said if this is brand new Or if this is a fluke, or I have no idea. But when I tell you, like, I'm just waiting for the results, like I keep checking my phone to see if maybe they've come in early. Oh, that's the scariest thing, especially like when it involves your kids. And you hear something bad. In fact, anytime I hear anything bad from the doctor, it could be like a cavity. I freak out. And I don't really feel like I was like that before becoming a mother, but now it's like on a next level. The only thing

that I could think if Creed's is the only one that comes back with that, maybe you might have to check his school. Oh, so that's the only one. Because he's the only one. I think Kristen suggested that too. Because he would be the only one going to that school. If Creed and Lux comes back with it high, you do have a co-parenting situation.

So then that would be something that you have to check. Well, I already told him, I called him yesterday. I emailed him, I was like, this is urgent. If he didn't call me, I called him. And I already told him to go take his other son to get tested because in the event that it is, you know, and I'm not blaming anyone. This is nobody's fault.

Like you can't- Yeah, nobody knows about this stuff. You couldn't have known without getting the screening. You know what I mean? So like, I'm not blaming anyone. But I did tell him just because I know that he's has another child. I couldn't tell one of the other ones

because he's out of the country. So I just have to wait to see what the results are tomorrow. It just sucks that it takes two days. Like, why does the finger prick take four minutes, but the capillary takes two days? And so the woman from the public health, whatever, I have her personal number and she's like, I'm waiting for your results. You've been texting her. Yeah, she gave me her number. She texted me first.

And because she, that's why I knew what her title was because she texted me her number. And we're just waiting the results because I guess this is like a big problem in Delaware. It's not just, but Hartley is not on the list. Like every, and I'm not saying that it's not, it's not my house. Like I'm not saying that it's not just, but, Hartley is not on the list. Like every, and I'm not saying that it's not, it's not my house. Like I'm not saying that it's not my soil.

I'm saying it's a possibility. But the town that I live in is not on the list of problematic areas in Delaware. So I'm just like, when I tell you like the anxiety, and I hate when people are like, don't worry about what you can't control, because like, I know that. But these are my fucking kids.

These are my children. It's easy for someone to say, don't worry about what you can't control, but when it's not your kid, it's easy to say that's somebody. All day yesterday, everyone's like deep breaths, deep breaths. Cause I cried all my makeup off. Like when I tell you that I had makeup running down my face,

I had streaks, it was disgusting. If one more person could have told me in deep breaths, like relax, let this happen to you. Oh, I just didn't contact at all because I knew that you were probably like in some state of psychosis. So I was like, yeah, nothing that I'm going to say is going to help the situation whatsoever. So let's just give her the space to feel however she feels. That's absolutely terrifying about the finger prick test though. just give her the space to feel however she feels. That's absolutely terrifying about the finger prick test though. Jackson's horrible about that.

The finger one? Yes. Well, it's scary. I mean, you've been- Because the sound, I think it's the sound more than anything because you hear it coming. Versus like a shot, no problem. Like he could go and get a flu shot.

He could get whatever type of shot and no issue, but it's almost like you know it's coming. And then you hear it and then you hear it and then you see the blood like with a shot. You don't. Yep. That's what I think Lincoln was upset about because I let Lincoln go last

because I knew how he, I just know, I know my kids. I went and let him go last cause I was like, maybe if you see it and your brothers like they weren't, it wasn't the pain, it was the anticipation. I said, it's, it seems scarier than it is. I was like, it's really not that bad. And I think for him, like when he cried, I don't think it was because of the pain.

I think it was the anticipation of, oh, that's all it was. Yes. And so I was like, I completely understand when I was pregnant with Creed, I wouldn't do the glucose test. Like I refuse to do the glucose test. I just, it's disgusting. I just, I hated it.

Yeah, I didn't think it was bad at all. Everybody says that and everybody told me, oh, if you just like make it past your glucose test, everything will be like gravy past that point. That's the worst part of whatever. And I'm like, absolutely not because I was considered high risk. And so I had to have blood draws almost every doctor's appointment that I went. Oh, wow.

So like it was not a normal type situation. So I was thinking to myself, how bad could this glucose test really fricking be? Because based off of what I've already experienced, if it's any worse than this, then never anymore kits. Oh, it was disgusting. I hated it. I did it and no issue.

To me, it tastes like orange crush. No, it was like fucking pure sugar. Like, you know when like you, like the sugar is liquid, but it's not like quite like water, like it's not fully dissolved. It's like almost like a syrup. It was like that for my other ones. I don't remember doing it for Lux. I definitely remember for Isaac and Lincoln.

But so for Creed, and because I had a midwife and did the whole home birth thing, I, instead of doing the glucose test, I pricked my finger for two weeks. So like a fasting in the morning and then an hour after every meal. And that was, you know, fine. No, no, no, no, that's far worse than a glucose test. Really?

Like I hate to have my finger pricked now, blood draws. Like I also was Lincoln up until the point that I got pregnant. And then when I had to have my blood drawn literally every doctor's appointment. Maybe you had no choice. Yeah, it was just like it is what it is at this point. So I guess that I'm thankful for that.

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Yeah, that actually did know that. I did not know that. I just found that out. I was like, oh, like why would I have ever, I've never had gestational diabetes, but I thought that was really interesting. I had no idea. They were like, well, you know, it doesn't necessarily mean I am morbidly obese according to my doctor. So that I can't say that I Know my paperwork says that for real, but um, no your paperwork does not say morbidly obese. You're right. It says obese comma morbid

It I don't know. So I'll take a picture of it and I'll send it to you. You said it. You're right. Obese comma morbid. Is the semicolon where it's like the dot and then the comma? Yeah. Yeah, it says obese, morbid. And that's why I luck.

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Yeah. So it's not, it's not just because overweight or you're unhealthy that. Sometimes obviously. There is a link to that to some degree, but it's not for all cases. That's news to me. Why are you completely unrelated news? Can you give me any updates on the Ruby Frank situation?

Yeah. So her sister, she has two sisters that I know of that are also semi publicpublic presences. Like they have public... Like YouTubes as well? Correct. Okay. So one of the sisters gets on her TikTok,

maybe like a longer form on YouTube, I don't know, but I saw the TikTok and she talks about basically, in all these fucking words, like goes on and on and on and on and on about, basically that she had no idea that Ruby removed herself from like communicating with the family and regular contact with the family and the family had nothing, you know, no idea that any of this was going on. But that somewhere over, you know, this amount of time, the last couple years, she had developed

a relationship with Sherry, which is Ruby Frank's oldest daughter who actually called the police on Ruby. And she says nothing about the kids. She says nothing about her nieces and nephews and hoping that they're safe and hoping that, you know, they're not affected long term or that she hopes that they're in good hands. Like she says nothing about them. And that surprised me because I thought that that would have been the main concern and the main message from this video would have been like, hey, we didn't know what was going on. I, you know, I, maybe she feels guilty or sadness or mad or whatever her feelings are. We had no idea this was going on, but my main concern is the safety of my nieces and nephews

or, you know, I'm doing whatever I can for my nieces and nephews. I want to try to get in touch with my nieces. Nothing about them, nothing. So then what was the point of the video? I just saved her own ass because she has a public presence, I don't know. I was gonna say, to me, what you're describing kinda sounds like a cover your ass move of,

I had no involvement in this, I didn't know she doesn't have any communication with us, so I can't be blamed for this type situation. Like that's completely the wrong way that she should have spoke out. I think she also, I think she starts the video, if I remember correctly, by saying she's not super surprised, but that she didn't know what was going on. Do you ever, I mean, obviously, going on? Do you ever, I mean, obviously we've talked about family dynamics before and toxic family, you know, whatever. Right. So while I understand someone could separate themselves from their family, because it could be like a toxic family unit, you're trying to get away from that.

But also there's another side of it. If you are completely separated from like all family members and you have no communication with anyone, it's not just like one person, but like you have no communication with anyone. And you have children. To me, that's a little scary. Like what are you hiding? Like why wouldn't you want anyone in your family to know anything about your life? That's weird. That's very weird Have we heard any updates about the dad? Nope. No that it's mind-blowing. Well, Julie. It's my sister. I think her name was Julia or Julie She said

She didn't say anything she I was looking at the comments on her video because I commented on it as well. And I was like, you know, you're saying a lot of words but you're not saying anything in regards to your nieces and nephews. And she actually was, she has a lot of comments from other public presidencies. I don't know how public figures commenting the same thing.

So this is like, we're not the only ones talking about it. These are people with public, you know, presence, social media following, things like that are very much in the know and like commenting. And I thought that was really interesting. And she doesn't respond to anyone that says anything like, you know, she didn't respond to me. She didn't respond to you perfectly Kelsey.

I don't know if you follow her on TikTok. She didn't respond to me. She didn't respond to you perfectly Kelsey. I don't know if you follow her on tiktok She didn't respond to any anything, but did she respond to other people's comments? She did but not to other people With a father have a voice or I guess a public voice That's insane. Please let me know and keep me updated if she ever responds to you and hey, Julie or Julia This is a public notice to respond. This is your cue to respond. I have an update for you from last week. Kind of talked about it at the beginning of the episode. Also sorry to everyone that I set off your Alexis and Google Assistant. Like I saw a comment about that in our Facebook, one and Google Assistant. Like I,

I saw a comment about that in our Facebook, one of our Facebook groups and I was cracking up. I'm like, I'm so, I'm so sorry. And I'm also sorry to the people who were exposed to country music who, who don't love it. Also, sorry for that. But I took the weekend and the rest of last week to kind of gather my thoughts on how I was going to address the situation that, um, I was notified about by basically

our podcast listeners were the first people who notified me about this situation. Um, there was an episode of vile files. Is that how you say his last name? There was an episode of vile files. Is that how you say his last name? An episode of vile files that came out last week that my sister was a guest on. And I was a topic of conversation on this podcast and not quite sure why it was, but I believe that it probably was because there has been a lot of public back and forth, beef reconciliation on following, following back, blocking no communication whatsoever.

So I do think that generally it probably was a topic. I try to put myself in his shoes and say, okay, you know, this was, there was many, many articles about the blocking and I'm following whatever I kind of discussed a little bit about that on the Southern T and kind of kind of moved on from it. And I did not go into detail as to why there was a blocking situation. I felt that it was best that everyone didn't need to be involved into the nitty-gritty of family issues in the podcast space or really in the public space.

It's really not anybody's business. And I choose to share what I wanna to share, when I want to share, when it's appropriate to share. Well, also, I mean, at this point, just to like add to your point there, you guys both have your own podcasts at this point. If you guys wanted to put that anything related out there, you guys could do that on your own podcast and with each other so that you guys get the ratings yourself and not give them to somebody else.

And I think that that's the biggest takeaway for me. Why go on someone else's podcast and give them that, but then not address it on your own or jointly? That to me is just really silly. But the background regarding the blocking situation was because during the work week, months and months ago, I was driving home from the gym, coming to a recording and got a group text.

I had posted a Chrisley family bingo card on my Instagram story. And while I understand, you know, some people in shitty situations try to make light of a situation by following along with a joke. And some people don't like what's being written and get upset and lash out and whatever. I saw this bingo

card. It was going all around Facebook. It was on all of these fan pages. I believe it probably originated from Reddit and it had, so it just looked like a bingo card and it had, in each of the squares, it had different things about different family members. Like it was the Chris Lee family. Yeah. So like, who's going to get arrested next? One of the squares was Lindsey is going to have three baby dads. They didn't have to steal my storyline for you. Okay. They could have given you a new one. They could have given me something else. But outside of that, it's just, it was about everyone. It wasn't just about my parents wasn't just about a specific sibling. It

literally ragged all of us like trolling you guys but like in a funny way. Yeah. And I'm like, Okay, that's kind of funny. Like, okay, you gotta laugh at the pain. If you don't, you're gonna cry and be upset. Yeah. So I posted it on my story and I was like, hey, it would be a fun podcast episode for us to go through each of these squares

and say why this could be a true situation or why this would be completely false. Okay. So tag my siblings in it and like there was no hiding. I posted this publicly like there was nothing behind the back anything. I posted it publicly and tagged them in it. Okay. And I get this group text about how I needed to immediately remove this that this was not funny that you know this was about our parents and this is about whatever. Well, I understand, you know, emotions are high and everybody doesn't deal with

things the same way. Um, if someone's going to write on any fricking bingo card game stuff that is completely unrealistic, then I'm probably going to address it and probably make light of it and tell you why you're wrong. In specific regards to my square on there about me having three baby dads, I don't have a baby dad, I have an ex-husband. And the chances of- But I'm nothing about it and that's true for me.

The chances of me acquiring three baby dads at this point at the big age of 34 is just like unlikely, but not saying that couldn't happen just not likely for it to happen. Okay. So I'm like, okay, why are we doing this group texting and just starting something for nothing? Like it wasn't meant to be rude. It wasn't meant to be rude. It wasn't meant to be mean. It was truly, I'm going to address this because it's all over the internet. So I will remove it, but also remove yourself and like, don't send me text messages about stuff like this. Like this is a work day.

Don't have time to deal with this bullshit. So I go and remove it. And then I, after the thread of text, I go and block. You block them. Mm hmm. I block them. Kristen, I want to talk to you about something that I'm going to be working on next week. It's getting that time of the year where I do deep cleans of like my window seals and my shutters are one of my most favorite parts of my house. And it truly just made me feel like I had a home whenever I got them.

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I just want to address him on this and verse him a little bit. Through my personal therapy, I've learned there's times where it's better to disengage yourself from someone else from things that seem to be triggering. And in my opinion, which it's my social media and it's my life, this was appropriate for the situation,

given the fact that I was attacked for attempting to make light of a situation as a coping mechanism by posting this bingo card that I was tagged in repeatedly. I understand everybody copes differently if this post was triggering. Ap, apologize for this post being trigger triggering. But I didn't want to trigger them anymore. So the easiest way was for me to block because you don't need to be looking at my stuff if what I post triggers you. I took the blame on myself for doing this on an episode of This Other and Tea and as usual, I do this and was trying to just completely deflect and maybe I should have been a little bit more forthcoming and this would be less of an issue now. I always try to be transparent on both of the shows. And I know that people in the public knew that there was a block situation.

I don't know if this happened to you, but people for some reason, like to go on collectively, all of our Instagram pages and see who we're following or unfollowing. That's how they find out who we're dating, who we're meeting with. Why do they do that? Because we, I've never done that in my entire life. Ever. I've never gone and like looked to see if someone follows someone or unfought. Like I've never done that. So like the fact that people have thought about that is so crazy to me. You know, I don't know that I will ever find the time to go on someone's social media to look and see who they're following or who they're unfollowing. But if you have

that time, I love that for you. I also I also just want to give the definition of a drama queen. That is a person who habitually responds to situations in a melodramatic way. My siblings actually chose to be respondents of my posting on social media. In the same conversation that was going on, Nick further makes a comment when he says he doesn't know which of us were hooking up with Josh and Robbie after Savannah says it was not her stating. She basically stated on this podcast that she doesn't eff around with Bachelor or Bachelorette guys. And Nick's response to that was your less likable sister that's fucking around with reality TV trash. So time out because you had to have known which sister it was because there's no way

that you knew that one of the Chrisleys was fucking with anybody from the bachelor franchise without knowing which one it was when there's literal articles out there about you. So that's a lot that has to be a lot. So either it's acknowledgement through this interview that you did not do any research or you're acknowledging the fact that you're petty spaghetti and you're actually a drama queen. So there's that. How can I guess this is my question to him and to everybody else who is listening to this. How can a person who says they don't know someone proceed to say they are less likable? Because to me that makes a zero sense.

Nick himself is a former reality TV personality. My sister is as well. And many of the guests that he has on his podcast are from reality TV. I was on there. And to me, it seems like he has forgotten his roots in the entertainment industry. And if he feels that way, he should stop having any association with anyone from reality TV. And it's extremely unfortunate that he feels that way. he acts that way, and it doesn't come across as very humble.

So I heard through the grapevine, AKA Kristen told me, he said he did no research. I find that very hard to believe because if you didn't do any research, then how did you know that there was a blocking situation? Oh, because he's the one that brought it up. Got it. OK.

So to me, you're now acknowledging the fact that you're probably a liar as well. I went on his podcast that was in the Johnny Depp versus Amber Heard situation on Netflix, and it made it into the documentary. And then I also had him on Barely Famous last year. Was Savannah not offended when he said, when he referred to reality TV trash? Because we're all him, you, me, Savannah, all of us got our starts from reality TV, right?

Like all of us. And have I not always said I am thankful for Chrislino's best because I would not have the platform that I have now if that wouldn't have been the launching pad. Period. I just think that sometimes people move on and then forget what got them there. And to me, that sounds like what this situation is.

Like you started on the bachelorette, you lost that season to Josh Murray, which is why I think that there's a lot of beef there, which may be why I'm getting some shade. Losing sucks. Being a runner up sucks because you are the first loser. But then you continued to stay a part of that franchise and continued to build your name, which gave you the platform that you currently have now to talk shit about you. And then to act like you didn't do research, but you in fact did research for you to know some of the information that you knew. If he asked you to come on file files

to talk about this episode. To confront him? Would you do it? To confront him, yes I would. Okay. So maybe we just take a little smooth trip out to LA. Maybe we should both go. And do battle the podcast.

We'll turn it into a reality TV turn podcast host battle. Also, the comments regarding Josh and Robbie, I just want to address those a little bit. It seems like those comments were coming from a place of insecurity. And some sense they came across as a little hostile and bitter. And I think at the point that you have a fiance and she's pregnant and you have moved on,

I think it is time to let that go. And if that's not the case, I'll go ahead and apologize now, but it very much seems to be the case, I'll go ahead and apologize now, but it very much seems to be the case Listen, I'm not really into the franchise like the bachelor franchise What is it called like them the the type of men that they have? I'm not like a clean cut type of girly but not for nothing like Josh and Robbie are pretty good-looking Like they're pretty they're pretty decent looking guys. I mean, I would tend to agree they they're pretty good looking. Like they're pretty decent looking guys. I mean, I would tend to agree. They're pretty good looking.

And I'm gonna be petty spaghetti here. I understand why Josh won. Oh, oh, 100%, 100%. Have I met him? I think I've met him. Yeah, I think you have. I met him in Atlanta and he was really nice like so nice Super nice can carry conversation

Did I didn't feel judged by him like very very like down to earth like cool person? You know what the bad? I'm just gonna go out on a limb here and say the bachelor franchise Sometimes you get a good edit and sometimes you don't And they did him Dirty, I didn't see it. So I didn't know I don't know what he went. And they did him dirty. I didn't see it. So I didn't know what he went through. They did him dirty. He was done dirty.

And it is my understanding that actually had he not been chosen by Andy, that he was in the running to be the next bachelor. So, whatever you want to say, stay bitter if you want to stay bitter. The next set of comments that were made were comments regarding my involvement in my parents' trial. And like my sister said, look up the transcripts. I'm just confused how Savannah can tow the line that the government lied regarding things about my parents, but then want to reject that same theory when I say they lied about my involvement.

I think we're all very aware that the government lies and further from that, my attorney refuted these claims on my behalf because they're just simply not true. And if that is how Savannah was feeling, why have anything to do with the reconciliation that went on on the podcast crossover? That doesn't make sense to me. I worked very hard on that podcast crossover. It was initially intended for myself and my parents to clear the air. There was more.

And you know, I said this and maybe this is going to come across as a little harsh when I do say it, but it truly is how I feel. At the time of reconciliation with my parents, that was going on a year prior before the public ever knew anything about it. This was post-divorce from Will. Jackson and I flew out to California under the radar, had been seeing my parents and communicating with my parents and privately working through that reconciliation before it was ever known publicly. And I had shared with my dad when he and I started speaking again that while I would like to

have no issues with anyone, my main concern was the reconciliation with him because he is my biological dad. That is my child's biological grandfather and that was my main concern so when We did the podcast crossover it was supposed to be for chrisley confessions and coffee combos and Then my sister had this podcast that I didn't know about but it was in the works Waiting to be launched I think there was like some background stuff that was going on prior to this, but there had been no episode release or anything like that.

I tried to give her advice, gave her insight, shared contractual information, talked to my dad about having her be a part of the podcast crossover to launch her podcast because I felt that You know, why not the rest of us are doing this? She should be able to be involved And so, you know, if these are the things that she felt I just don't understand how You feel these things now, but you didn't feel them last October whenever It came to business. So that to me is just a little confusing as to why those feelings were what they were when that was going on, but they don't apply today. It just seems very selective to me. Okay, Lindsay, it's about that time where I am trying to kickstart a fresh fall routine

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were treated by Julie as if we were hers, but we didn't necessarily reciprocate that. And I've had lots of conversations on here along the way, just regarding my parents' toxic co-parenting situation or just general lack of co-parenting. And I think I just wanna keep this very simple. She was too young to even know, you have to consider, she was, I was eight years old when she was born. So I had eight years of

experience of parents who were in and out of divorce dealings. I believe that there were multiple divorce filings. So you have to consider that in eight years of my life before she was born, I was exposed to a lot of things. Also, I mean, to be fair to you in this situation, she wouldn't have understood anything until she was four or five. So now we're talking 10 plus years. You know what I mean? And so, and I don't know, I don't know the ins and outs of the dynamic in your family, but I'm going to go ahead and give you, you know, the 10 year because she, she would have been two and you would have been 10. So at two years old, you don't understand what someone's going through. And I think we have to go back to when someone goes through something,

you can be there for somebody and empathize with them, but not really understand that situation. And I think that it shows just a complete lack of empathy, but also just a lack of awareness that you didn't have parents that were that you didn't have parents that were divorced or who went through toxic co-parenting who absolutely hate each other and have stayed committed to that. Up and I can fully say they have stayed committed

to hating each other post divorce up until today. Well, and I think too, like the inner turmoil and self-confliction that you probably deal with even to this day, you know, knowing that Julie had a bigger hand, like a bigger part or bigger role in raising you. But you said just a couple of weeks ago, you know, you didn't call her mama because you still did know your mom. And so there's there's a conflict within that, unless you've gone through divorce

and the toxicity of a co-parenting situation where the parents hate each other, you can't resonate with that and you can't understand it. And so I'm sure as an adult now, and I don't know Savannah, so I'm just trying to help give her insight. Like even as an adult now, you have to understand that you were still the child. So whether you were reciprocated or not, you were a child.

You were a child. And it doesn't mean that I didn't love her. And I said on a previous episode, she could have hung the moon, but she still wasn't my mother and I still had exposure to my mother and I still had all of those traumas before they were ever even born or brought into the picture. And so it's easy to sit and say things without having true life experience and witnessing any of these things.

It's easy. It's very easy to say. And you know, do I wish things played out differently? I said, I wish things played out differently, but you can't go back and change those things. And, you know, my, my biological mom moved on shortly after the divorce filing. Okay. Chase was born shortly after that. So there are traumas that I believe Kyle and I both have experienced of the fast moving on by both of our parents. I don't blame them for that. They were adults making adult decisions

doing what they felt was best for them. I don't hold any ill will towards them for that, but I do think that it did cause some traumas because I don't believe that we as children, I think it was more of a, this is how we're gonna cope. I'm moving on here, you're moving on here, you're creating a new life, I'm creating a new life, we're happy, but we have these two kids that aren't.

And so for, you know, my dad to get remarried so soon and to have another child so soon through that divorce process, my parents divorce, the ink wasn't dry. So like all of that has to be considered and it's just a little bit, it seems a little bit unfair and definitely one-sided. And that's something that I've dealt with for my entire life. And when you don't grow up with parents who are divorced and you grow up in a nuclear household, I'm not expecting you to understand.

And I'm very thankful that she did not have to experience that because I wouldn't wish that on my worst enemy. But a little advice would be don't pass judgment on situations that you can't begin to understand. And I have regularly discussed that I'm still dealing with the effects of that parenting situation today. And that does cause me, because of the way that they co-parented or did not co-parent,

that has caused me to overcompensate in some ways as a mother and as a co-parent. Do you think she maybe feels, and maybe we shouldn't speak to how we think she feels, but do you think that she feels like you and Kyle were disrespectful to her mom? And maybe that's- If there was ever a level of disrespect,

we would have been called on it. And my parents have said and say to or said up until the time, I mean, even on their own podcast that I was the easiest child for them to raise. Like I was not a disrespectful child. I took the situation for what it was worth. I accepted her for who she was and what role she was playing in my life.

And I have also said, you know, I wish that if I was, you know, a magician and I had a wand and I could go back and make decisions, which were not mine to make. But if I could go back and make decisions, I wish that my parents would have sat down and said, if you aren't going to be an intricate part of this child's life, she's going to do it. So this is what we have to do for the emotional and mental stability of our child. I think that would have changed the whole situation.

So there was never a time where like, like, you know how sometimes in, in blended family, family, some of the kids don't like the other, the new parent or the step parent or you don't think it was like a situation like that. Like, at all. Okay. I don't think it was like a situation like that. Like maybe she, okay. Cause that was where my first thought was like, okay, maybe Kyle and Lindsay were very apprehensive or defensive or maybe they didn't want her around. And so that's what she meant when there was a lack of reciprocation.

I was just trying to play doubles advocate, but if you're saying that that didn't happen, I'm curious to know, I would love to see you and Savannah work it out. I tell you that all the time. Like you guys are supposed to be in this together. You guys are supposed to have each other's backs. You chase Savannah, Grayson, whoever.

Like I hate this. Like I hate that you guys are going back and forth and doing it so publicly because you're right. You guys can't under, you can't understand an intact family and she can't understand a divorced family. But that's where you guys have to respectfully just have empathy for each other and be there for each other, not go against each other, not rivals. And like I have said to my dad for forever, I am so glad that they did not have to experience

some of the things that Kyle and I had to experience because that tells me that you learned something from that first situation and you didn't repeat the cycle. Yeah. I mean, that's a really good point. So for that, like I am happy for them because I would not want anybody to go through it. I don't want my own child going through it. Right. You know, another point is she said she didn't think that she could get to a place to trust me because

she's now left without two parents and that I helped contribute to that. Everyone has their own opinions. I'm not really going to get into the nitty gritty of this. I feel like I have over addressed it. If she feels the need to blame me to move forward with her life and responsibilities, that's okay. However, I think that it is also showing a lack of empathy for others when you act like you are the sole person that lost two parents. While I was not a part of my parents' life in the same capacity, there's still a loss.

You can't say, oh, well, my loss is greater than your loss or your loss is greater than my loss. Like that doesn't really apply here. And just to be perfectly clear, if I'm being fully transparent about everything in my life, my mom and my stepdad also had dealings with the federal government many years ago. So I do know what it feels like long before you knew

what it felt like. I grew up in a home without a biological mother, had very little involvement with her. And she also dealt with felony charges as well. Your mom did? Or your stepdad? My mom and my stepdad. And so I, I not only have two parents that have two sets of parents.

I have two sets of parents that have dealt with this. So I don't think that I need to be versed on losing, losing. Um, that's really all I'm going to say on losing. That's really all I'm gonna say on that. I have lost a lot of the over the years as well and she also knows how to get ahold of me if she would want to work this out privately which it seems like she does not and as far as Nick is concerned some of his comments were disappointing and just proves that he was looking for bites for social media and press. And definitely not coming from a place of truth. He was, in my opinion, very judgmental and crass.

And if he didn't do some research, which we know that he did some, he just truly lacked cooth. And so for that, I'm sorry for him. Yeah, I think just going into a situation with given, given the public understanding and tension between you and Savannah, I do think that there's a little bit of negligence on his behalf when it comes to the research that was owed to the situation before getting into that podcast episode for sure. And if you're going to be talking about legal things, just a little word

of advice that you didn't ask for if you're listening to this, you should probably verse yourself on how you should address legal things and allegedly would be a good word for you. That's our favorite word. I say allegedly a lot. I overuse allegedly just like I overuse iconic because I don't want to get sued. And I'm no rookie in the lawsuit litigation room. In the lawsuit. I've been through several lawsuits and trials and depositions at this point. So allegedly is a great word to overuse in this space, just to protect your own ass.

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Yeah. So actually one of my girlfriends came over last night and she's a sixth grade math teacher. Yeah. And I was like, by the way, I was like, just so you know, nine, almost 900 districts in the U S have converted to a four day school week. And they're able to do this because they're adding on 35 minutes to the four days that are in the week. And then they're offering $30 a day childcare for that Monday. So they're going to school Tuesday through Friday,

at least the Texas ones that I was looking up. And that's through the Texasstandard.org. That's where I saw it. And then also it went viral on TikTok as well. We've talked about the four day school week, weeks and weeks and months ago. And I think we've covered it more than once, but we're up to almost 900 school districts,

mainly in the Midwest. But I still think it's kind of cool because the whole theory behind it is that they'll have better attendance with students because there's only four days and then also better chances to recruit teachers because teachers don't want to work and so they're overworked. Now the question I have and I'm sure other people may have as well is where is the benefit for teachers?

Are they still going to be going into work on that fifth day? Like are they still going to be going into work on that fifth day? Like are they still, but is it like a studentless day? Or because maybe, and I don't know because I don't know what goes into being a teacher. Maybe they could use that entire fifth day as instead of taking their work home every night or having to go do lesson plans at home, could they would eight hours work

as like, a student work day? Like a teacher work day. Yeah, like I don't know, and I'm sure there are teachers who may say yes, and there may be teachers that say no, it's still not enough. But I just thought it was interesting,

and I wonder how many more schools will pick it up over the years, because obviously the number is increasing by the year, so. I mean, I think that there's two sides of this, and you can never appease everyone whenever you're making these types of decisions. But I think it's great if it's Monday through Thursday and then it's that optional whatever on Friday.

I think that that's great for students by just adding the 35 additional minutes per day because it gives them an extra day on the weekend to kind of like recoup whatever to get caught up on things that they're doing in the class on Monday through Thursday because I know for Jackson it's been really hard for him to stay on track with the amount of workload and this is all coming down from the county like this is not the teachers this is county required curriculum that it's kind of taking away the teachers' right and ability to teach their class the way that they want to teach them. And so that's taken a lot of the fun out of school and these kids are overworked and these teachers are overworked. So the workload is really heavy. So that would be nice for them to even be having that option for the $30 for them to be in the school building on that Friday

and utilize that as like a study hall to kind of like wrap up any studying work that wasn't completed. Homework help? Yeah, because I got an email from Isaac's school yesterday talking about, you know, the homework help that they're offering until four o'clock. So they'll have like 50 ish minutes for students to be able to get homework help, homework help after school. Like I love that idea. There was a little bit of an argument that I saw. I was reading the comments on the specific

video, not the article, the Texas standard.org that's separate. But on the on the TikTok, I saw it was the argument was that some people don't have the funds for the $30 a day. I was that was going to be one of my argument. Yeah. And so she was saying, you know, if they could make that free, but the problem is, you know, and I'm just playing devil's advocate here, I don't know where the funding would come from for that free day for all the kids to have free childcare. So I just don't know where that would be, but maybe state grants. Okay. Yeah. I mean, I don't know where state grants, like do people just like anonymously donate or like do companies do? I don't know where those come from.

Those come from, but to your point about like the overworked and like everyone's overwhelmed. Like I said, my, my girlfriend's a sixth grade math teacher and she came to my house to print something and I had asked Isaac to do something and he kind of snapped at me and he didn't see it but I looked at her and I'm like, what the, like what is going on? She's like, I teach kids his age, just relax.

She was like, I'm not defending the behavior. She's like, but I want to snap at some, I want to snap at people sometimes. She's like, I I want to snap at some, I want to snap at people sometimes. She's like, I've been with, you know, a hundred kids all day long and everyone's overwhelmed. I'm overwhelmed, he's overwhelmed. She's like, I'm not excusing the behavior, but everyone by the time they get out of school or work

are drained. Oh, for sure. And the point that I was going to make about the $30, you've got to consider the people that have multiple children. So if this is like, I mean, even one $30 could be a stretch, but if you have a special inflation, yeah, that, that could be a completely other issue because then if they can't, if they can't afford to do that option, then they have to keep their kids at home. And if their kids are of age to stay by themselves,

then they run into that whole other issue. And then that competes with their ability to be able to work to provide. So there's just a lot of issues. I don't know that there really is a right answer. If you're going to move to four-day school days, I think that if the county that you're residing in or you're working or the state that you live in and you're moving to that, I think that's when employers

have to look at that for people to allow people to work from home on the days that their kids would be out of school. It's so interesting to me as someone who's been employed in different, me as someone who's been employed in various career fields, retail, pet grooming, dental, just all kinds of fields. Like it's so interesting to me that a lot of jobs don't take into consideration the families that people have and they're not flexible at all when it comes to like dropping the kids off in the morning or, you know, making sure that they're able to be out in time to pick up their kids from the bus stop so that they don't have to pay for the childcare. And it's just crazy to me because I'm like, if anyone can get shit done,

it's a fucking mother, like a mother is going to figure it the fuck out, and they're going to do a good job doing it. And they're going to make sure the shit gets done. So let moms do what they got to do and let them work around their kids schedules cause they're going to get it. They're going to get the shit done anyway. What a thousand percent. Huh? I said 1000 per cent. It's this mom strength that you get and you just like figure out how to make it work. And when you lay your head on the pillow at night,

you wonder why you just went through that level of psychosis during that day and how you managed to get. Do you ever have a day where you're like, wow, I got so much accomplished and I have no idea how I managed to do all of these things? Well, that's why when you just said like work, you know, workplaces being accommodating towards like the two, the four day schedule, it's like, you know, workplaces being accommodating towards like the two, the four day schedule. It's like, you know, they're not going to and I don't understand why

because moms are gonna get shit done. Moms are gonna get more shit done, no offense than dads because we don't have a fucking choice and we carry the mental load and we do all of that. And so I just, it's crazy to, I mean, obviously there are a few and far between to don't fucking come for me. I'm not here to attack your baby dad, your husband, your fucking husband's brother's uncle.

Like I, you know what I'm saying though? Like it's crazy because I wish that they, the workplaces would accommodate so that, you know, the people who are truly like, inflation is affecting people very differently, but also I think we can all agree that it's really affecting us. And so we might not have

the $30 per child, especially if there's more than one. So it would be nice if the workplace did come, like, not come to accommodate for those types of things. I mean, it's like, okay, well, then just if you don't want to accommodate, then another solution would be if you know that this is what the school districts are doing in the state that you have somebody employed that has children, then at that point, is it more important for that person to be in the office or are you going to give them a pass to be able to work from home and the ability to be able to work from home, or are you just going to add that $30 to their paycheck for however many children that they have?

Period. A comedy. Like, but America doesn't care about mothers and children. So would you like to tell me what's going on in your kids sports lives briefly? Yeah. So hobby, a couple of weeks ago, hobby had told me that Lincoln was nominated for this like basketball tournament type thing at the 76ers field house. And Lincoln's, for everyone telling me that Lincoln's go to the NFL, I have to break some hearts here because Lincoln has quit football and is so focused. Yeah.

His sole focus on any major league sport is basketball. He wants to go, he believes he's going to be the next Allen Iverson. He knows that he's not going to be the tallest one on the court, but he wants to go play basketball and he's now followed in his father's footsteps and is playing soccer. So he started soccer this week, which I'm sure Javi is super excited about. Aesthetic.

Yeah, he hasn't said that, but I know that in his heart of hearts, he's like, I hope this works out. So he got nominated to do this like basketball thing, which is like a three day tournament. And he has like a media day. He had a press release. Like it was like a big deal.

And like low key I was like fangirling, cause that's my kid. But so he's playing basketball, flag football, not tackle, and then soccer. And then Lux was playing soccer and flag football for now. And I did not sign Biggie up for anything, but he has been playing flag football with Kreet with Lux. So I'm just, if y'all don't see me,

or I look like I've been crying a lot, it's just because I'm trying to keep up with all the things. So that's two, two and a half kids because Creed is like sort of on the team. And five sports right now, five sports teams rather. So I guess we have two kids, two moms, two kids, our children think they are playing in the NBA. Correct. So Lincoln and Jackson are going to be on, imagine they both get drafted. I would fucking die. Would you die? I would die. No, but I'm excited. And then Isaac's in the middle, he's trying to get accepted into a school next

year. So he has been working on an essay and getting recommendation letters and doing all that academic stuff. I am proud of him for that. I just need to like I just want him to find something that he's as interested in as my other kids are with sports. Isn't it so exciting when you have a child that is so into something and like passionate about something and you're like wow they found they found something that they absolutely love.

For the longest time with the baseball thing, with Jackson and Will, it was like the saga that I did not want to be involved in. And- I wish this book series would end. Really, I was waiting for the ending and through the divorce, that was an ending of that. And it was in the best interest for Will and Jackson and also my mental health. He started playing basketball that next seat. So

our divorce was filed in July. And then that basketball season, he started playing basketball and he's been obsessed ever since. And it just makes you feel good to know that you're supporting something that your kid absolutely loves to be doing versus trying to support something that you know your kid absolutely hates, but like their other parent desperately wants them to love it because they loved it. That was hard. That's a hard pill to swallow because just like Will, you know, I'm sure hobby, and I don't know this for sure. This is just my assumption. Like he comes from a long line of soccer players. So when Lincoln, I think at four or five stopped playing soccer, it was devastating. I'm sure. Yeah, it had to have broken their hearts just a little bit. And I'll be honest, you know, Lincoln ended football tackle football on

a high note. He didn't get to the point where he hated it, which I'm actually thankful for. It just, it was, It was just like that era, that season for him. It was over. And he's like, you know, I'm just not into it anymore. And that's okay. And I also love that he knew his boundaries. And it did break my heart a little bit. I was vested in his football playing. Oh, I know you were. You were so vested. Vested. Like I just was so, and so it did break my heart a little bit, but I love that he has basketball and you know, he's very pumped to play soccer. So we'll see how it goes.

I love that. We have one listener topic this week. And I don't know if this was on the Facebook page or if it came from the Kitty Gang. Not really sure where this was, but it was about not weaponizing your audience against someone and calling people out publicly is not cute. And I totally agree with that and definitely currently relate. I think a lot of times people choose to use their platforms improperly to stir up stuff to

have some kind of gain on the back end. And I think we probably all have been guilty of being out of pocket in certain situations. I know I certainly have. Oh, 100%. I'm guilty of that. I've definitely, and I don't think that when I initially did it, you know, you and I came out around the time of the peak of social media, right? I don't think that ever I was like, I'm going to use like, I know that my audience is going to go attack these people. At some point, you realize that's going to happen. people. At some point you realize that's going to happen. And I'm definitely guilty of, you know, participating in that type of behavior. But I think at the big age of 31, like, it's just best for me not to respond. But it's crazy that you and I have given people platforms, and then they've used it against us before. Like, how would you do?

That's what's the same to me. It's like, okay. And you know what? My favorite part about this is sometimes is when someone does something to you and thinks that they have the leg up on something, but then it actually turns on them. I think you have to be very careful in the way that you use your platform. And if you are addressing something to do it in a way to not attack somebody but to bring knowledge and insight to a situation and also, you know, not encourage people to

hate bash bully. To me, that's just wrong. Like this is my side of the story. This is in my specific current situation. this is my side of the story. This is in my specific current situation. This is my side of the story. I don't want anybody to be bashed. Don't want anybody's feelings to be hurt by anything that I've said. Don't want anybody to go and write mean negative comments, but I do see this a lot of time.

Really in the podcast space, I see it pretty often that people are using these platforms on a weekly basis, dedicating it to bullying behavior. I still get talked about like I do that. And it's, I don't use my podcast to, I don't want people to like go bash. I mean, obviously there was a time where I've been emotionally, there's been times where I've been emotionally charged about situations with my kids, dads and things like that. But it was never, it was more of a place of venting. Not, I was never trying to get like our listeners or our audience.

And the only reason why I bring this up is because they're gonna take this conversation and spin it and be like, well, Kail does X, Y and Z. I agree with you in the podcast space, especially people will say that we do this. You with Will, me with my kids, dads, I'm sure. But I never say anything on here, though, that I would want Will to be attacked for because that's my battle to attack, not anybody else's battle to attack. And that's to provide insight on a situation that everything's not sunshine and rainbows over here all the time and to be authentic in whatever journey I'm going down and to be transparent in that.

And sometimes we do get emotionally charged or have been emotionally charged and it comes out in a way that it wasn't necessarily intended. But I've also had to learn that people choose what they hear and choose how they want to spin that to meet whatever narrative they're trying to portray. I mean that's all I can really say about it. Never come on here to get somebody to send my ex-husband a freaking message to be like, oh, what Lindsay said. No, like-

Oh, people do that to this day. To me, they'll go be like, Kale said this, Kale said that. And then I, I mean, it's actually been a really long time since I've gotten a message from any of my kids' dads regarding the podcast. So I will say that I must be doing something better, not saying I'm perfect.

But I must be, or they're choosing their battles, I don't know. But like that's my ex-husband. Like that's not, Yolz ex-husband, that's my ex-husband. So let me fight that battle on my own. I consider, in a weird way, I consider the people who listen to the podcasts, like our collective podcast family that we have created. I feel like they're my friends. And so sometimes

I get on here and like talk about stuff as if I'm just like in a conversation with friends, venting about something that's just stupid. And I probably sometimes shouldn't talk about it, but I choose to talk about it anyway. It's so hard though. It's so, I cannot stress to anybody enough like because we do, especially even in the group chat, like there are some, there are people in the group chat that I know by name. I know a lot of information about them. You know what I mean?

Like, and so like that or, you know, on this podcast, like we've lived in the public eye for so long, you know, what we choose to share on here doesn't necessarily mean that we're trying to have anyone attacked or it's just like this is, instead of sharing this much, we're sharing this much. And so it just, I don't know, it's really weird. It's like a really weird place to be. I will say that I go way more in depth

about personal life situations with the kitty gang. And I feel comfortable to do that in that group setting because I do consider those people like our friends. And so, yeah, even though I might sometimes sound unfiltered on here, I have filtered out a lot of shit. Yeah. And on that note, foul play. Okay, here we go. One casual Friday night, my boyfriend at the time and I were hanging out in my basement.

Not the basement. I was only a freshman in high school, so boys weren't allowed in my room. But for some reason, I was allowed to bring them into my dark basement alone. That's always so weird to me. You know what? I didn't even think about that.

Like, we don't have a basement. We have that big ass playroom, but it's on the main floor. And also, like, if you're not going upstairs to your room and closing the door, you're not going to the playroom and closing the door. So you can go in the playroom, but you're leaving the door wide open.

Oh, we have an open door policy in this house. Do you have one? I mean, I let my kids close the door just because they don't really, but if they have friends over, absolutely not. Yeah, like no doors closed. No. Continue.

So, but for some reason I was allowed to bring him into the dark basement alone. For that reason alone, I feel like I can't totally be held responsible for what's to come. My boyfriend and I were watching a movie and one thing leads to another and I'm sucking his dick. It was one of my first blow jobs, so I didn't have the slightest clue what I was doing but that didn't matter. What didn't matter was that I had forgotten there were windows on top of the walls which led outside into my driveway. Okay, so this is like a split level situation. My dad happened to pull in the driveway at the same time as I was getting a blow job and yep, he happens to see it too.

No. No, because that's worse than your mom seeing it. If your dad sees you giving a blow job, that's 10 times worse. Oh, I wouldn't have lived to see, to even talk about this. Before I knew it, my dad was running down the stairs of the basement and I'm in shock and confused. Once I realized he's seen the dirty deed, it's too late. My dad throws this boy into the stairs,

rips the bun's off his shirt and kicks him out of the house. It gets worse. My grandma lived in the lower half of our house, so I move in with her down and down there and don't speak to my dad for a week. The next week happens to be homecoming and you guessed it, my date is my boyfriend. The worst part, my dad decided to drive us. So here I am in the car with my dad, who haven't spoken to in a week and my boyfriend who's dick my dad saw me suck and threw into my basement stairs. I've never been so uncomfortable in my entire life to this day. Safe to say my family jokes about it to this day 10 years later and my dad and I both lock eyes every time like it's not even funny like it's still not even funny yet. I love you guys and there's no one else I'd type this traumatic experience out for

that is crazy. The fact that the grandma lived in the house and she moved in with her has me flatlining. That's so hilarious. And I feel like this would be a situation that I would be in. Also, I just want to say, with the way that the world is now, I don't think that any dad is getting away with throwing a child into the stairs, ripping buttons off of a shirt. I don't care if someone's getting their dick sucked or not, like you're getting cussed out. Like, as mad as you would be in that situation

or frustrated, I think as a parent, you have to hold your composure and not put your hands on somebody else's child. Oh yeah, no, no, no, no, no, no. I definitely, I'm not putting my hands on someone else's child. I just, I don't know how I would react, especially because, I mean, it's just weird

because like I feel like I'm in a place where I'm not that far removed from my kids' ages. And so that plays a part. It also plays a part that I have boys and I'm not saying it makes it better or worse. I'm just saying like how a mother would react versus how a dad would react to a dog. Like I just don't know what the dynamic would be if I walk.

Like I don't know how I would handle it. I think I'd hopefully would be in complete shock and go to therapy and figure it out before actually, like I'd have to be the one that's like silent until I figure out how to deal with it. I think these are one of the situations that we've talked about before, that until you've been in it, You can't know.

You can't really necessarily say how you would act or how you would respond to something until you've had that experience. I'm just I need to know if it'll ever be funny for her and her dad because she said I'm like, that's a long time removed. It's not funny yet, and it's 10 years down the line. I don't know if it'll ever be funny for them. I don't know. Okay, second foul play. Please keep anonymous. I love when people write that like when do we ever Elchel?

Well, we're never going to Elk the kitty gang. So my best friend was always trying to get pregnant since she was 15. Wow. Wow. So she like always wanted to be a mom. That's the vibe I'm getting. Okay. When she was with her second husband, now X, she was trying to get pregnant with another ex. Wait, what? I'm already like, um... Okay, so she, the second husband is now an ex. She was trying to get pregnant with another and ex didn't want another.

So she had one from a previous and two from this ex. So her husband and her were on a date. So this girl that's writing in says that she and her husband were on a date night with them and she commented how she wanted another and his calm is like super glue because that's when she goes to pee after sex and nothing comes out. She says, Oh my God, I'm for sure getting pregnant again. My husband and her husband go to the bar to get us drinks and he tells my husband, yeah, by the way, I've been faking it. So no way she's getting pregnant. This girl is so in tune and knowledgeable when it comes to sex. So how to this day does she not know when we were like 20, she said

she had been with easily close to a hundred guys. Me, I'm married. I married my high school sweetheart, but still I know when he's finishing love the podcast ladies. Well, he's been faking it and she thinks that he's it's like, how does it guy fake it? They say that they not and they don't. Yeah, but don't you know? Most do. I will say I got into a situation where I'm a little embarrassed to say this. Um, okay. But I wanted to, he had already gone two times before I knew when he, like,

then he came a third time and I knew the third time. Wait, he's saying hard for three times. He already came inside me twice. And I did not know. Okay. But like what you're saying is you guys never paused like it was just like I never went to the bathroom like I don't know what it was like a calm gun. Literally like I don't even

know how he had the stamina and the drive and the like it never went soft and never got weird. Like the I had no idea I just thought like because it was so like, hot and heavy. I just was like, I thought it was like my own. Your own stuff. Gluid. Was it this person? No.

No. This person? No, no, no, no, no, no, no. It was, I don't need, how am I gonna say this? No, what's the, it was. Okay, so this entire part is just gonna be a long but the thing over my mouth though, so you can't see see yeah, um, I don't remember like what I just heard. But like if he didn't, if somebody doesn't finish, you know if they don't finish.

But she said it was like super glue, nothing came out. Like when did you not, how did you not catch on? How did you not catch on? Okay, well I was about to out myself or something. And I guess I'll go ahead and out myself since you just outed yourself. Perfect. I do think that that's like a real thing

that some is like less or is like more sticky and some is like less. I think it's based on their diet for sure. And so it might not immediately come out. No, but you, you feel some sort of substance. But like the wiener feels different whenever that's happening. Oh, like it's like literally like a knife, a fucking tower, rock hard and.

And it's like. Pfft. You know? I'm so immature. I'm just so immature. But yeah, no, 100% like you just. You just know. Yeah.

You just be knowin'. Okay, well on that note, I mean, this is so immature. If you guys have not followed us on at coffee combos podcast on Instagram, please follow us there. If you have not subscribed to the show, you can do that from any podcast app wherever you get your podcasts. Always first at podcast one. Hope you guys have a great week and we'll talk to you soon. See ya.