Coffee Convos with Kail Lowry and Lindsie Chrisley - Father's Day & The Future Relationship with Your Adult Kids

Episode Date: June 13, 2024

CC354: Kail wants to know why Lindsie named this show coffee convos when she doesnt drink coffee, and Kail talks about a situation with her land that has her upset. With Father's Day just around the corner Kail and Lindsie share what they will be doing to celebrate their kid's fathers. Lindsie has a few thoughts on the "Shut Up" rings, Kail thinks about the future and the kind of relationships she will have with her children. Today's Foul Play reminds us to be careful with farting in cars! Check out our Instagram @coffeeconvospodcast for more! Thank you to our sponsors! Better Help: This episode is brought to you by BetterHelp. Visit BetterHelp.com/coffee today to get 10% off your first month Chime: Get started at chime.com/convos  Hiya Health: Receive 50% off your first order at hiyahealth.com/COFFEECONVOS Nurx: Thanks to Nurx for sponsoring this podcast! Taking control of your reproductive health starts here. Go to nurx.com/coffee to get started. Results may vary. Not offered in every state. Medications prescribed only if clinically appropriate, consultation required Rocket Money: Manage your expenses the easy way by going to RocketMoney.com/COFFEECONVOSSee Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

I hate gift giving and receiving. Receiving gifts is so weird. What do you say thank you? This is coffee convoes with Kail Lowry and Lindsay Crisley. I really want you to be in your feels, Kail. That does not interest me whatsoever. I feel very attacked by you. A spirited discussion about motherhood, friendship, family, and life in the public eye.

I'm just not with the fakery anymore. There's a fakery bakery around here. Here's Kail and Lindsay. Hello. Hi. Um, I forgot to say. last week about your hair. So glaze.

What's going on? I just did a rose gold glaze. So it's not permanent or anything, but I thought it was just like fun. Okay, I have to ask you, does your hair look different, like a different color when it's curly versus when it's blown out?

Because mine does. Yeah. Like it looks darker right now, I feel. Yeah. But when I have a blowout, it looks blonder, which, but I also have rose gold in it right now. So it's not really,

bright blonde. I do have an appointment, I think, coming up. But I kind of like this color because it's low maintenance. You know what I mean? Happy coffee combos. Thursday, I hope you kitties are out there just running the streets, ripping and roaring and doing all the shit. I'm on my second alonnie of the day.

So I ran out of alani. Oh, I love that. Look at that. Not even though it's early, but. I ran out of alani. So I did go to Starbucks, so that I have not finished it, but I do have, don't, I don't crime energy. So I'll let you know if it's good. I need to ask you this question and everybody else who is listening. I don't drink coffee often.

So I don't know if that's why it happens. But after you drink a coffee, when you go pee, does it smell like coffee? Yes. Is that every day for you? No, it's just if I don't hydrate, if I'm not drinking enough water. Also, we need to, I have a bone to pick with you now because you named this podcast. Like, When we, 2017, you texted me in the morning. It was a morning, and I remember this clearly because of what Chris said to me, because he was with me when you texted it to me. You asked me, how do you feel basically something along the lines of like, how do you feel about the name coffee combos? If you don't drink coffee, why did you suggest that name? Because I felt like what we were going to be talking about on this podcast for the rest of forever until we're geriatrics.

it basically would be like a conversation that you might have over coffee. For me, I'm going to be having it over an alani at all times. For you, that makes sense. It is going to be coffee, but it's like coffee chats, you know? Like, if you're catching up with your girlfriend, these might be the things that you fucking talk about if you're rogue. This is an ice, try tea latte. But I do drink coffee. I actually drink hot coffee every single morning before I leave the house.

But it's just interesting. I guess that makes sense because even if you're not a coffee drinker and someone's like, oh, do you want to go grab coffee and you go to, you know, whatever, a local coffee shop? The other thing is we don't have local coffee shops. We have one in Dover, which is 25 minutes from me. So there is no local coffee shops really outside of that one in Dover, which is completely in the opposite direction. But if someone invites you to coffee and you're not a coffee drinker, there are other options. So I guess that still makes sense. I just really, I don't think I ever asked you that.

Like, I feel like these would be conversations that I might have at a morning with my girlfriend. I would love to hear from the listeners what, knowing that Lindsay doesn't drink coffee regularly, what would have been a better name for coffee comp? Not a better name, an alternative name. Like, what would coffee combos alternative name be? Because that is so interesting to me. I can't believe that we never even had the conversation of my thought process behind that name. I don't think we ever did. I don't think we ever. And like, this other. T makes sense because it could be like we're talking shit, like we're gossiping, but it could also be like the tea, like what's the T, like, which is also gossip. But it kind of was like coffee and tea. Like I get that. Um, actually when I came out when I came out with the Southern T, there was this article that was like I like to name my shows off of beverages. And it's like no, I mean, there's reasons behind it. Yeah. Like there are play on words that no, it makes sense. I just, what would be an alternate? If it wasn't named coffee, comedy. podcast, what would we be called?

Shitsters. Shit Talkers 2.0? Like, I don't even... The Bad Bich Club? Like, I literally don't... Alani combos? Alani combos. No, they would have to pay us for that.

Like, fuck that. I'm now supporting Prime because Alani just doesn't... We're supporting Prime now. Not you being a Prime Gurley. Okay, I have to tell you what happened to me. They don't want us either. Go ahead. I woke up, took Bertie to the groom, like the grooming appointment, had it scheduled for 8 a.m.

Leave my house and what should have been plenty of time for me to arrive there. I would just like to pick a bone with the Department of Transportation in Georgia. Maybe it's possibly all over the United States. Who decides when these people are going to be doing construction? and why is it during times of most likely travel? Yep, 1,000%. I don't know. I will never understand because I have said that 100 times.

I don't get it. I truly don't get it. I mean, not that I'm trying to come after this person's job, but I am. I just feel like I could better do that job and possibly, you know, thinking about maybe putting people on night shift. and them doing this construction when the road is hardly ever being used would be a thought. I sat in 35 to 40 minutes going three miles from my house to get the dog to the groomer. I get there, have her on her harness, which, by the way, do your dogs have seatbelts?

No, I don't take my dogs anywhere unless it's to the vet. Oh, okay. Well, Bertie has a seatbelt because she is. a crash hazard in the car. So she has a seatbelt. I get her all out of the car, harness everything, get into PetSmart, you know, the grooming salons at the back. So take her back there. She slips her harness when she hears a Yorkie barking, runs to the front of PetSmart, and they have the automatic doors. So she's like running out the front door. It opens when it senses that she's there. And there's like full-blown traffic, like right out in front.

I thought I was going to have an absolute heart attack. Mind you, I've only had her back for less than 24 hours. So that's what happened to me. During custody of dogs is so funny to me. Like, I just can't. Like, I just, I love it, though, because, you know, they're like, you, you, you know, you love your dogs, but like, so do other people. So I get it.

I just, I was like, how do you slip? How did she manage to slip the harness inside of PetSmart? and become an escape artist. I mean, I don't know. I feel like dogs are so smart. Like, we don't give them enough credit. Outside of that, I'm going to have three dogs under my roof for an entire week while Will's on a work trip.

So please. Zero out of five stars. I don't recommend. I will say, though, I thought about this on my drive to drop the kids off at school. I am obsessed with my chickens. Like, I check on them multiple times a day. Like, I love my chickens. I try to make.

sure that they have a very good variety. I mean, my ducks too, but like they're in the category. You know what I mean? I love my chicken so much. And like my brown hen has such a personality. Like I recommend chickens, Lindsay. Like I really think that you could be a chicken owner. Jackson would love it. No. They're so easy. They don't bother anyone. They love like just so fun. And like I don't have, I wouldn't say that they're like super like friendly. Like I don't like pick them up and stuff. But like I love having them. And I just love. love them. I live on a golf course, so I'm pretty sure I can't have chickens. That really just doesn't work for me. Time out. Let's talk about something really quick that I found out yesterday. Okay.

And I would love to hear what your opinion is on this because, and I, whatever. So, you know, I bought the 20 acres, right? Like, we're supposed to close like in a week, whatever. Basically bought it. So Elijah's uncle has a landscaping business and was like, I'd love to buy like a portion of this land, like four or five acres, like whatever. And I was like, okay, like, let's, let's talk about it. Go down to the county. The county is like, you can't subdivide this without permission from the original farm owner that's like, I think it was like a total of 100 acres, right?

But he subdivided it and sold this portion, the 20 acres, to somebody who then sold it to me. So there was a person in between the original owner and me. Okay. I have to get permission from the original owner of all 100 acres in order to subdivide. And I can only subdivide once if he gets permission. If he says no, fuck you, you can't do this, he can only subdivide his land one more time. Make that make sense for me.

When I own land, it's mine. I bought it with my own fucking money and you're going to control what I do with it. On top of that, only two houses total can ever go on that 20 acres. I'm going to assume that when the original owner sold to the person between you and him or her, whoever it is, I'm going to assume that there were stipulations on that land and the usage of that land as a part of the sales contract. No. It's Delaware legislation. It's Delaware legislation.

Really? So I said, can I pull out of this deal and buy the 66 acres next to me instead so that my kids, because I said the whole reason, the whole purpose of buying this much land is so that we don't know what the fucking economy is going to be like when my kids are trying to. to go out on their own. We don't know. Are you going to build a compound? That's what the, that was the plan was like, I have this. If they choose to build, if they don't want to, that's fine. But if they wanted to build on the land, it's our land. It's the Lowry fucking land.

You know what I mean? So, and then- I have so many questions about this. They said, we have to have a private road and we can name it whatever we want. So it can literally be like Laudery Land Road, Laudelan, Street, whatever, cul-de-sac, whatever. I said, call Jerry. Jerry, can I just pull out of this one and buy the 66 acres next door to be able to

because if it's a land versus houses issue, which 20 acres, you could very well build six houses on it. I don't understand. Like I don't understand it. Um, he was like, no, if you, if you buy that, you can still only put two houses on it. On 66 acres. Correct. And the second house can only be half of the square footage of the first house. This honestly sounds like a scam. So there's a little teeny tiny house. on the like near my house that I'm assuming they only have like maybe two acres, three acres. I'm like, well, and it's like falling apart. Like it's like in really bad shape.

I'm like, okay, as soon as that goes for sale, I have to find a way to scoop it up because that would help me be able to have. So I'd be able to put two on mine and then two on that. So that's at least four. And if one of them is like a three, a three apartment sort of deal like an apartment with three apartments in it, that could cover most of my kids. You know what I mean? Like I just want the option.

even if we don't end up doing that, maybe Lincoln moves away or Isaac goes to whatever, but I just want them to have the option. Like, that was the whole purpose. And I didn't, the only reason that I found this out, this was never going to be disclosed to me. The only reason why it was disclosed to me was because Elijah's uncle wanted to buy some of it to put his business. That is so wild to me.

What's also wild to me is the fact that you just acknowledge that you are forever committed to the chaos. Oh, 100%. And, and I owe taxes. on this land for the past eight years. Wait, how do you owe taxes? You didn't know. We don't know.

We have no idea how that falls on me. So I asked him like, well, did the person that is selling me the land, like, were they not paying their taxes? And my realtor was like, no. Like, that has nothing to do with it. I think because it's going from like, currently they build, they put like wheat on it. It's like a wheat situation because the current owner or the previous owner was farming it for wheat to pay for his taxes because he lives in another state.

So he basically just lets the farmer farm. wheat and then pays the taxes or whatever. And so I said, well, why am I? I didn't even hear about the land until 2024. So what, what the fuck does the past eight years have to do with me? I would just absolutely not be okay with any part of that deal. And I would just have to not. I was already too far in. I asked him, can I pull out? And he was like, if you want to get sued. sued? Yeah. Because it's a contract. Did you already put earnest money down on it? Yes. So you would literally close next week. Like, When this episode airs, I'll have closed already.

And you're already pissed off. Like, don't get me wrong. I love 20 acres is fantastic. Like, if you would have asked 16 year old kale if I was ever going to own 20 acres of land, like, absolutely not. I would have never thought anything like, no. I mean, I'm incredibly thankful. I just didn't know any of these.

None of these things were disclosed to me or the realtor. And my realtor wouldn't have even known if I didn't go down to the levy court. That was the only reason because of Elijah's uncle. Why couldn't you sue the seller? For not disclosing? Yeah. I would look into that maybe. The only thing that's upsetting me now is that I can't, my kids can't build on it in the future.

That's the most upsetting. You know what I mean? While I love my child and he can live under my roof for as long as he wants to. Oh, good. I'm glad we're aligned on that. You're just not building a house in my backyard. You're just not doing that. When you see, like if you ever come to Delaware, because you haven't yet,

If you ever come here and when you see the land, you'll see why you'd be like, oh, okay. Because it's you would, there's enough space that we wouldn't be able to like be, we wouldn't be on top of each other. Yeah, but you're still just so very close. So it's like you just might as well live under my roof until you decide that you have a new plan. And then come visit. And by visit, I don't mean walk to my house. Right. I mean, I don't know.

I don't want to raise red flags, but I might just put a bunch of ardominiums on there. And what are they going to say? Once we're already living there, we have squableness. We have squatters rights, don't we? Oh, my God. Okay. I have two things that I need to tell you. Number one, I have been crockin and rocking.

Period. Just want to let you know that. Number two, it is Father's Day weekend this weekend. And I know that we've talked about how we celebrate the fathers of our children. What is your plans? Is that all the cards for them? Yes. That's a lot of cards, honey.

lot of baby daddies. All right. So I got this for Joe. Okay. Chris. I knew it was going to be Chris. Jose Mariquin. And then I got one from a one to Elijah from me, one to Elijah from our kids together, one to him from his stepchildren.

And then his birthdays shortly, five days after, five days after Father's Day. Um, this is also from happy father's day. If moms are the glue that holds a family together, dads are the duct tape. Oh, that's cute. Like another one from like the kids. And then from our kids together, love you, dad. These are like happy birthday ones from the kids and the stepkids. You know what I thought about, um, this probably was at this point two weeks ago.

When I went to buy like teachers gifts and stuff, I always put a card with it. I really feel like we missed the boat on coming out with stationary and being in, you know, like Walgreens and CBS and the grocery stores because cards are like $4.99 to $7.99 a card. Yeah, I didn't go with the four pack this year, which would have definitely been more cost effective, cost efficient. I needed to personalize them this year. And you're right, they're really expensive. They're so expensive. Like, I honestly, it's, you're better off getting the blank ones, like the generic blank ones and just like writing stuff because they, individual cards are so expensive. Also, it's always a double cheeseburger at McDonald's.

It's almost $4. So inflation, man, I tell you. Okay. So you do cards. Do you send a text? Do you call? No. Okay. This year I got, Chris sent me $1 on cash up. Wait, what? Chris sent me $1 for Mother's Day on Cash App, no text, no nothing. But I will say that he did send the kids with a homemade cake and a flour, like one flower. What was the $1 for? And you know what? I didn't even see it until two weeks after Mother's Day. It was the weirdest thing.

Like I didn't get a notification or anything. So I went to go, like, send somebody money. And it said Chris Lopez sent you, hold on, I'll show you. Yeah. Lope sent you $1 for Mother's Day. Oh, Chris, just being petty out there. Which I did appreciate the little flour and the cake from the kids. And then although Creed got really upset, so obviously don't repeat this to Creed.

And he won't hear this unless his dad tells him. So Buddha actually jumped up on the counter and ate it, ate the cake. But I told him that I ate it all because he was looking for his cake. And I was like, oh, I thought it was for me. Like I ate it. But I didn't want him to get mad at Buddha. So I just said I ate it. But it's fine.

He was so upset. Like he was so. so upset that I ate all the cake. He said it wasn't for me. It was for him. And I was like, sorry. And then Joe wished me, he texted me Happy Mother's Day around like 4, 2 or 4 p.m. And then nothing from Hobby. So I'm not sending text this year. I'm not sending anything. I will just send the cards with the kids. And that'll be that. I always just, you know, initiate a face time to talk to Jackson. And then I just tell Will, happy Father's Day. And then I send then Jackson with whatever gift that he selected for him with a card. We both sign it. And that's pretty much it.

I did ask one of my kids, did they want to go? Did they want to send anything for? So we had sent V some, like a piece of jewelry that Isaac picked out. It was pretty cute if I do say so myself. And then I asked the other kids what they wanted to send. And they were like, that's not my mom. Like, that's not. Oh, that's very interesting that you say that.

because when Mother's Day rolled around this past year and Jackson has said this multiple times and he came home and told me this, I said, did you call your Baba, which is Will's mom? I said, did you call her for Mother's Day and wish your Happy Mother's Day? And he said, yeah, Dad told me to, he said, but I just don't understand because if it's not your mom, then their son should be doing it. Like I wish you had Happy Mother's Day because you're my mom. Yeah. I mean, I still encouraged it.

I was like, I don't know. I feel like you guys should still send, but if they don't want to, it's tough. It's like a weird, it's a weird thing. Like, I get it, especially because like two of them, they're not married. And so I get it. But I also just feel like it should still be acknowledged, but also their feelings have to be acknowledged. It's just a weird. If I was a stepmom, I would want to be acknowledged maybe for just like my role as like a bonus parent.

But I also understand like how the kids, I don't know. It's weird. So I dated somebody. one time that they woke up with me on the morning of Mother's Day and then Jackson came home shortly after that. Like he left and then Jackson came home. It was just very odd to me that and it has always like made me feel weird. Every single time I think about it, I kind of get the ick.

Never wished me a happy Mother's Day. And it's like, okay, you're dating me and you know that I am a mother and you. you woke up here, why wouldn't that be something that you would acknowledge? That's really weird. That's really weird. That's the thing. It's like, I do understand what people are coming from. Like, oh, it's my mother.

But I thought Mother's Day was a celebration for all mothers. Not a celebration. So I do think the ones that are in the trend, we don't have to go there on the rabbit hole again. People were very upset with what I said. But I stand by what I said. But that doesn't mean don't send a text. That doesn't mean you don't acknowledge other mothers that are not your mom. mother. And that's what I was explaining that to Jackson. Like, it's Father's Day for all dads.

It's Mother's Day for all mothers. If that person is in your life and a special part of your life, you acknowledge that person, not as your mother, but as a mother. Correct. Like even a text, just anything. Yes, I would agree. Yeah. Actually, I saw this video and it was talking about the role of your foul since we were on the topic of X's, I want to know what you think about this. It says the X will forever be the other biological parent for your stepchildren. That's not going to be undone and that is not going away. They will always play a role as the other biological parent. Let me throw this in as a caveat that it is the only role that they're going to play. They are not going to play any other role in your household. They are not welcome to play any other role in your household. And

I wholly agree with that. It's very hard to stomach sometimes, something that I've had to learn just through the journey and lived experience, that my son has another household that he lives with his dad and that is his biological parent, regardless of the situation, that is not changing. If you've ever dated someone with kids, which you said, I don't date somebody with kids, which is why you would never get back with your exes, even though they're all y'all's children, I imagine that that would be very hard for a lot of people in that situation to stomach sometimes. It's not hard for me to stomach, but I will say that that statement can only be true if the biological parent in the household being spoken of keeps it that way, right? If the

biological parents are blurring lines starting with the one in the household that you're speaking of, there's not, I mean, of course, there's always going to be more than that in your household. They're not just going to be the biological parent because if you're blurring lines, there are a constant in your household. And trust me, I know. Hi. Welcome to coffee combos spilling the tea. I have to ask you this question, speaking of parenting. You have children with three dads outside of your house. In the event that there is an issue with one of your children that are in your custody,

are you going to rectify the situation with your partner in your home? home that is not the biological parent or are you going to allow the other biological parent into your home to rectify the issue with your biological child? It depends on the situation. Like we had to have a come to Jesus with Jackson other day. Then that's with the biological parent. Actually, that should, I mean, if there's a third person involved, I feel like this is kind of a great area because when Isaac was having some stuff going on, not that long ago, I think it was like last school year. Elijah couldn't attend because he had to work and his hours were crazy at the time. So it was me, Joe and V sat down at the office and had a conversation. Elijah was welcome to it.

He just couldn't participate. So I think there is a situation where any of them can be true, right? Today, it would be hard to say because Isaac is about to go to high school. He's about to start driving next year. Like there's a lot of things that it's, I think all four of us would be involved. Lux and Creed would probably be, if I had it in my way, just based on how things are today, I would say me, I personally would say all four of us, right? Like Chris and his partner and then me and Elijah. However, the way that things have gone, it's not being acknowledged the depth of the relationships on either end are not being acknowledged. I'm saying today, you heard it here first, that Chris's partner is essentially like a stepmom to my kids.

And that is what it is. Lux comes home and he tells me that she's not my dad's girlfriend. She's not my stepmom. Okay, that's fine. If that's how you feel. In my opinion, I think that both of them need to do need to be brought to the table. For Hobby and myself, in a perfect world, I'd have all four of us. So it's really hard to say, I think, depending on the circumstances too, like if it's

affecting the other siblings because every single one of them has other kids, or it's affecting the other parent, I feel like they have to be included, right? Like, it's not like, like, have you emailed me this morning talking about a camp, right? That doesn't affect anybody else. So if we disagree on that, it doesn't affect any other parent. Correct. In the event that Will was with someone at this point and my child was doing something that all parties needed to be involved to present a united front in front of the child, or if it involved that person to the capacity that Jackson had done something and it was affecting that person's life in some way, then I feel like absolutely everybody be present.

If not, if this is just an issue that we are having with Jackson that does not affect anyone outside of us as his biological parents, then no one else needs to be present. I could agree with that. I could agree with that. It's also harder too because I think that different phases of the child's life require different things. So what could be said about all parents or partners involved in one age of the child's life, you know, maybe everyone needs to be involved. That same exact scenario could happen five years from then and they might not need all four parents.

You know what I mean? So it is hard to, like, I don't know. Okay. There was something else I saw and this is the first time that I've ever, you might have heard of this before. Have you ever heard of a shut up ring? No. You've never heard of this. No.

So this is the first time for you too. Yeah. Okay. First time I'm hearing of this, want to know your thoughts. This is the shut up ring explained. A shut up ring is a ring that a man gives a woman when it's not his person and she has been begging him about marriage. Wait, time out.

This is not where I saw this going. I thought you were going to be like, this is when a child tells their sibling to shut up. And then that child says shut up and then you shut up. you should, that's what I thought you were going to say. That's where I thought you were going with this. I'm glad Jackson has no one to argue with because that sounds just. It's the worst. It's the fucking worst. That sounds like drama that I don't want to be involved in. So this ring is about, you know, a woman nagging a man and they have likely been talking about it for a long period of time, most likely in a relationship for at least five to 10 years. He gives her this ring as

a here, okay, this is what you want. Here's the ring. Are you happy now? It's not a genuine ring. And it's usually these, usually these people also end up being forever a girlfriend or forever a fiancee, meaning that it never takes the step from fiance to bride. You usually do not get an actual proposal. And it is usually very much an afterthought. The men who do this are actually settling and they have become comfortable and complacent. I want to know what your thoughts are on this because I feel like this is a communication issue all around in a relationship. If someone's staying in a relationship for five to 10 years, but their intentions in that relationship are to get married, if their intentions are to have children with this person, to create a life with this person, if you're waiting for five

to 10 years and you're having to essentially beg this person to give you a ring, you should have already gotten out. I agree. I wholeheartedly agree with you. I've heard of people getting this. I know someone when Javi and I got married, I know of someone that was close to us was basically like so-and-so got married. Like if you don't do this, I'm going to leave kind of thing. And so they ended up doing like a justice of the peace situation just to appease her, but then it ended up very badly and whatever, whatever. This is a communication issue where if you go into a situation and your intentions are to get married and to be a wife, then it needs to be made explicitly clear. If you are not willing to leave at the point that at the two or three year

mark, they're not asking you to marry them and you're nagging them, you should leave. But that is a boundary issue for the woman, I feel. Like, you have to be strong enough to actually own what you're saying. You can't to stay in a five or 10 year situation and you never got married and you're upset about it. And now, like, I have to say that, but that's also a self-worth thing, I feel. Like, they don't have the confidence to leave. They don't have, you know, they think it's coming. But I don't want something I begged for. I don't want something I begged for.

It's kind of like I talked with my therapist about setting boundaries, but only allowing it to be a boundary if you're actually going to adhere to it yourself. And you can't tell someone, okay, this is a boundary to me. And you allow them to continue to cross it and you're doing nothing about it. At that point, it's not a boundary. boundary anymore. Yeah, I would agree with you. I didn't know that this was a shut up ring.

I didn't know that there was like a name for it. But that makes perfect sense to me. I mean, Elijah has asked me to marry him several times. And I, it's not that I don't want to marry him. It's just that I want things to go with it. Like, I want things to be a certain way.

And I want to be in a certain, and by place, I mean, like, within the next year or two, definitely think I'm going to marry him. I know I'm going to marry him. But I don't think that's a shot. I'm shocked. I actually hear you say that. I mean, maybe like, without legal papers.

You know what I mean? Like, I don't know that we'll do it like legally, but I will have a like a commitment ceremony. If any, I don't know. We'll see. But the idea is that we've had clear communication that we are life partners. So whether that ends in marriage or it's not like we are going to be together forever. Like I don't care necessarily about like the legal paperwork, I guess is what I'm getting at. But we've had clear communication about that.

And so I don't know that I wouldn't want like if he was like, I want to marry you and you don't want to legally marry me, I would get that would, I would understand if he left. You know what I mean? like I would be like, okay, like I'm just not there yet, whatever, but we talk about it. So if you're not being clear, the other thing, too, is that I can't necessarily only get mad at the women for sticking around when the men who are giving the shut up rings, they're not being clear either. So like, you could go into the situation and you're like, okay, I want to be a wife, I want to be committed, I want to be in this for life.

And the, the boyfriend is like, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, kind of telling you what you want to hear, but not actually being genuine or true or even, you know what I mean? And so you're getting them false hope. This, the quote, you know, your action should align with your words. At any point at this phase of my life, if I went into a situation and I, I've said this before, I might be having conversations very early on with someone about things that might not come as soon at an earlier phase of my life. but because of my age and because of where I'm at in life and already been married before and have an 11 year old, I'm going to have those conversations very early on.

And at some point, if we aren't aligned, you have to decide where is the line in the sand and are you willing to take the steps to remove yourself from that situation if you aren't aligned? Right. I agree with you. I wholeheartedly agree with you. I would love to know what everyone else thinks about this. And is anybody listening ever received a shut up ring and.

How did that end? How your children treat you as adults when they don't need you as a direct reflection of how you were towards them as children. I think about the future with my kids as adults on a regular basis. If not daily every other day, I think about what are our relationships going to look like as adults because you blink and your kids in high school. Like my kid's going to high school this year. You know what I mean? That's not crazy. So weird.

And I'm just thinking like, what is that going to look like for us? Like, is he still going to call me, you know, when he graduate? Obviously, he's going to live with me for a while or live with Joe or live with both of us, whatever. But when he's going through life things, like, is he going to call me? Are we going to, I hope to call him. I hope to be able to call him because at the end of the day, I really am still the parent, right?

Like even though he's an adult, I'm still the parent. So I hope, is he going to answer my calls? I guess is a better question. And I would like to think that Isaac and I have a pretty good relationship. I think I have a good relationship with all my kids. But, you know, Isaac is one of my kids that really, really challenges societal norms, societal beliefs. Like, he really does take the time to form his own opinion on things. He doesn't just listen to what Joe says and he doesn't just listen to what I say.

So I'm curious to see what that will look like for us. And I thought that was a really good, not comparison. What is the word I'm looking for? like a really good analogy maybe. Yeah. I think that to be true. Yeah. Like if you have a bad relationship as kids,

of course I'm going to cut you off. You know what I mean? Like look at my mom. It was, and I'm not saying that it's always easy, but you know it's the right thing. You know what I mean? Like going no contact with my mom

was probably one of the best things I've ever done because you were not a good mom. Even if it was your best, your best wasn't good enough. So and I think the same can be said for, like I could sit here and say until I'm blue in the face. to my own kids, this was my best. And they might say, well, that wasn't good enough. And I have to

accept that. That's a hard people to swallow, but I have to. So it's really interesting. And I'm, I'm nervous to see, like, you know, how, how that goes. Just coming from a child's perspective, who, you know, we've talked about my mom not being involved in my daily life growing up. But my relationship with her now is based off of very different circumstances and a lot of therapy. I just think that as you grow up and your relationships evolve through time, your role is going to be very different in Isaac's life when he leaves. And that is a really hard thing for a lot of parents to accept that they believe that this relationship just stays the same because I am your parent.

you are the child. And I think if you evolve with your child as they grow, your relationship will inevitably evolve. Right. You know? Yeah. I'm going to also say this. And some people might not like it. I believe parents who are super strict on their kids and they leave home, you probably aren't hearing from your kids a lot. Yeah. That's probably true. I mean, Isaac tells me everything right now and I just, I don't know, we have such a good relationship. I hope that it can, I mean, but. I do. I said maybe two or three days ago on my Instagram that it's hard to believe Jackson's teacher had sent out like a last minute notes from the school year and just, you know, saying have a good summer, whatever. And it really put things into perspective for me that I only

have seven more summers with him until he graduates high school. And that seems like such a short period of time. And they say the days are long, but the years are short. Lindsay, I blinked And my twins are seven months old. Like what? What will I do, though, when he graduates? Like, what will I do? No, I think about that all the fucking time, all the time. Like, the chaos that I go through on a regular basis and I live for it.

Like, I'm obsessed with it. That's why I don't really complain about the, like, when I'm complaining, I'm not really, I love my, I love the chaos of my life. Like, and I don't mean chaos and like the dysfunction. I just mean, like, yesterday, I, there must, it must have been a makeup game of some sort. my girlfriend texted me at 445 and said, are you bringing Lux to the game? Because our two kids are on the same team and then two other kids are on the same team. Hey, are you bringing Lux to the game? I said, what game?

No fucking clue. 445. Guess what time the game was at? 5.30. 5.30. It takes me 25 minutes just to get there. I said, oh, we're packing up and going. I didn't know.

It wasn't on my calendar. It must have been a makeup game of some sort. I had no fucking clue. I live for it. So as my kids get older and the older ones start to be homeless. or, you know, if they choose to go away to college, what the fuck will I do? Like, what will we do? So you still have, because you have so many children and you have a child, what, that's entering

high school and then basically newborns, you're still going through the little cute phase of the things that I already miss. And the more that Jackson grows and the more that I see time like fly by, I just think, wow, like that was such a speck of time. And now I will never have that back ever again. That's true. If he chooses to have kids, you'll have it. Yeah, but, you know, that's putting a lot of pressure on your child too.

Because would I love to be a grandmother at some point? Yes, I would. Wait, I need to tell you something about that. What? One of my kids, one of my kids came home. Is someone pregnant? Absolutely not. One of my kids came home and told me that their grandmother was pressuring them to have children.

Who? Oh, do they want this child to repeat the cycle of like what you did it having a kid as a kid? I don't know, but it really irritated me. It kind of goes back to the conversation about like people making comments about Valley can never have a boyfriend, shit like that. Why are you talking to my child about like I asked when all of this shit was going on about the house and the land yesterday and Isaac was overhearing. I mean, it was fine. But I asked Isaac. I said, do you ever think that he's he's about to be 15, right? Like these are very heavy questions, but I was like, do you ever think that you'd want to build on this land? Like, and he's like, I don't know,

I'm too young to make that decision. Like, I don't even know if I would like, maybe do it. He's like, I can't even give you that answer. Fair enough. I was, I left it alone. The same, maybe I shouldn't have asked that, period. But to talk about kids, like your, your pressure. And I didn't say it was him, but I'm just saying like the weight of some of these pressures on these kids. I was just like, what in the fuck are you talking about? So child goes on to say that, you know, he doesn't know if he wants children, right? Like doesn't know. And grandma was like, you know, you're going to give me great grandkids one day, right? And, and you have to, you'll love it. You can even adopt if you don't want to have them yourself and like just like pressuring my child.

And I was like, you have got to be fucking kidding. But see, at that point, if there was a conversation that was going on like that, I would unfortunately have to disrespectfully address that issue because why, if you want to have a conversation with my child about safe sex practices, okay, you want to have a conversation with my child or encourage my child to speed up his life and not be able to live because you want great green children. That to me is just completely inappropriate conversation. But I don't have the right to discuss this or bring it to anyone's attention, allegedly. Who says that?

The dad. You don't have the right to address it? No. Okay, well, at the point that it would involve you becoming a grandmother, I feel like that gives you to address it. I will say I think grandma was more so talking about in the future and it was like a future situation. But that being said, that's not something that like, why are the only reason why, like, if you bring it full circle when I talk about Isaac saying he doesn't want to. have kids. It's because Isaac doesn't like kids. So like, I'm like, he has literally said to me, I don't like babies. I never want to have them. Right. So like he has said that to me because I have

so many fucking kids. Right. So when you take the other thing. But if you ask, Lincoln, he wants to be in the NBA and he wants to be a barber and he wants to be a barber. And he wants to go to college. And he wants to be a barber. Right? Like, they don't know. That's just kids being kids. And then you have Lux. Lux will be like, I get to celebrate Father's Day because I'm going to be a dad. That's what he told. Of course he is. What do you mean? And he's like, well, I'm going to be a dad someday. You know what I mean?

So it's just like you, but to prep, like I just felt like that was a, you, you had brought up, that's a lot of pressure to put on your child. And it just reminded me of that conversation that happened pretty recently. I just feel like we should not be putting pressure on our kids to grow up any faster than they already are growing up. I feel like kids today are growing up way faster than I grew up. And it's just society. It's social media.

I actually want to read some of the comments really quickly on the post about Valley and a boyfriend situation. While you're looking for that, I was just having a conversation with another mom who's a fellow fourth grade mom. And she has a girl. And she said, I don't understand why we have parents out here that are condoning or allowing for their child to say their inner relationship. relationship in fourth grade. That's a really good point. Maybe they don't know. Maybe they don't know.

I just personally feel like we should be encouraging our children to be active in something that they're passionate about, focus on their grades, spending time with their family. I don't think that it is necessarily a healthy thing to be encouraging our kids to be in relationships at that young of an age. Like you need to focus on your friendships. I think crushes are human nature. Yes.

But to go as far as like, but also I remember very, very distinctly going to a Thanksgiving when I was in fourth grade specifically. And there was, I don't know if I should say his full name. His name was Johnny. And everyone was like, who's your boyfriend? Like all my aunts and uncles and my cousins were like, you know, who's your boyfriend? Like they did that. And I was in fourth grade.

So I don't know. Okay, so these are the comments that were on the real. I've always thought this was so annoying and gross. Maybe it's an older generation thing, but I hated when my mom would talk about my niece's future boyfriends when she was a literal infant. Someone else said, I'm the valley of my family and heard this all the time growing up. I think the goal here is to raise a daughter that doesn't need her big brothers to defend her.

I always hated that. People said things like, you got a boyfriend now when my daughter went to kindergarten. Like, come on, she's not even thinking about boys and wouldn't for a while if people would shut up. I think it also, to this comment, to the point of this comment, we're putting it in their heads, that that should be something that should be a focus and it absolutely should not. I hate this. The problem is our children are going to school and they are around these other children whose parents are condoning this stuff. So then they feel like they need to catch up to these people, not.

because they thought it, but because other people are doing it. So they're giving in to somewhat of peer pressure. I just don't like the idea. I'm like, no boyfriends and girlfriends. Like we, that's just not a thing. Let's just focus on other things. You have plenty of time in life to focus on having a girlfriend. So this person on here said, I think you're taking it a little too seriously. It's usually the older generation saying it and they mean no harm. And older brothers usually protects their little sisters and she has a lot of protection. I don't think people are saying it in a mean way. No, nobody said that.

Nobody said it was in a mean way. I just have never looked at a situation and been like, oh, like all of these kids to like all of their siblings to protect them or whatever. Like I don't ever think of that. I don't think of boyfriends and girlfriends when I look at other people's kids and family. So it's not that it's meaning harm or it's, you know what I mean? It's just more of like, why are we sexualizing? Why are we focused on that?

That should never be your first thought. You know what I mean? Like maybe maybe your first thought should be if you are raising a daughter to raise her to be able to select somebody that if they had older brothers, they wouldn't have to defend their sister in any way. This person would come into your home and feel comfortable and have harmony there. I also think that if we're going to go off of the idea that like having a bunch of older brothers would teach. them or or having a daughter to be able to stand up for herself. I think that's more so what I would think. Like, okay, having a, you're running around with a bunch of boys.

You, and it might be sexist, but like, you'll, you'll know how to like be rough and tough. You know what I mean? Like, you'll be able to hold your own. Yeah. And I guess I would more so think of it that way. Someone said it's not that serious. Nobody said it's that serious, but things can't change if we don't make a point to talk about it.

It's uncomfortable. I don't want to hear stuff about my daughter. a boyfriend because what if she's a lesbian? Like, let's also talk about that. Like, who gives a fuck? Yeah. I mean, you don't, you don't give a crap either way, but the whole point is it's a premature conversation. Yes. They should not be happening. That's the bottom line. I need to ask you if you have ever experienced this. There is a term going around TikTok called quiet quitting a friendship. Okay. I have not heard of it. I've heard, no, I've heard of women just quietly quitting a relationship? So it says you can only give so much to people who are not reciprocating

the same energy back to you. It is so hard to find good friends. I also feel like some friends have crazy expectations and you get to a point where you realize maybe you are no longer aligned. Breaking up with a friend is weird because it's not like a romantic relationship where it has an end because you're seeing other people, but it just has to slowly fade because you realize that you're not prioritizing each other anymore. The hardest part about friendships, friendship breakups is there is they are not treated like actual breakups most of the time we don't have closure conversations but the closure has to come from within this is tough because it kind of falls into the category of like ghosting people and I think that there was a time where I was like yeah

if you want to go someone go someone and then I've also gone through a phase where it's like nobody deserves to be ghosted but I do think at this point again June 2024 it varies by situation I think certain situations need to be ghosted I think certain situations does deserve explanations. But at the end of the day, whatever decision you make, you have to be at peace with it. So the closure does come within. Like, whatever you choose to do, whether it's ghosting or quietly leaving or whatever, you have to be at peace with it. I was actually having a conversation with one of my girlfriends over the weekend. And she was talking about how certain friendships at certain points of your life are, you're more aligned with certain people. Like, for example,

you. You have kids in sports and you also have newborns. Like there's somebody that you're going to align with that you you maybe might not have aligned with at one point in your life and you aligned better with someone else. But I do think that those relationships change and evolve over time. And some people are meant for a season and some people are lifetime friends, right? And I don't necessarily believe in quiet quitting a friendship. The only way that I would apply this, would be if someone's done something to you, that was horrible, which someone did that to me. And I just left that person on red because they were aware by the fact that I was not responding, why I was not responding because they were aware of their actions, right?

So that situation, I can quiet quit that friendship and move on and never look back. And I have the closure because their action was the closure. Right, right. If I'm just not aligning with someone anymore and I don't have time for that person or our lives just are going in very different directions, at that point, I feel like I do kind of owe that person a conversation rather than a ghosting of, hey, like, you're doing all of this and I'm not. So we don't really have that much in common anymore.

I don't want to take up any of your time because I don't have any value to provide to your life and you don't have any to provide to mine. I don't hate you. I don't wish any ill will on you. I'm just not giving time to you. Right. I have someone that I've known for like 10 years clocking me, right? Like watching every single. And I would consider like over the past 10 years, she has kind of fallen in and out of like one of my best friends to one of like I'll see you when I see you. So that's kind of always been our relationship. I would say that came with the seasons of life. Like wherever I was at, wherever she was at, we would be either closer or we wouldn't. And that was just our dynamic.

At the end, clocking me. Like I'm talking, watched every story, watched every everything, was looking at all my stuff. And then one day I look and she just unfollowed me on everything. It was the weirdest quiet quitting, I guess. To this day, we never had a falling out. We never had words. We never had a disagreement on anything. It was just she cloned.

clocked me and I noticed because she had never watched myself before. Like she had never, I mean, she thought she saw it, but it wasn't like, like I would post something and a minute later she had already watched it. So it's almost like she had me on alerts. And then all of a sudden I like go to like look at something and she had unfollowed me. I do not give a fuck. I do not. I simply unfollowed back.

I don't care. You know what I mean? Like I just, it is what it is. And then on the other side of that, I have my girlfriend that I said, you know, texting me about the game or whatever. Like at one point, our two youngest were. were aligned. Like so Lux is in her son's first grade class and then our other two kids are like a year apart.

So they're on the same team. And I had three more kids. And I literally, we literally just had this conversation at baseball. Like I'm upset because obviously we'll still have those two kids in common. But like when Rio and the twins like start doing sports or activities or whatever they do, I am nervous about how that's going to affect the friendships that I have established with Lux and Creed because Emily's been, she's been like my rider for like all of our stuff.

up, you know, like our kids do everything together. And so, one, I don't want that to be impacted by my other kids and those relationships. And I also don't necessarily want to make new mom friends. Like, I just don't want to. I'm kind of an agreement with you there. I have the friends that I want to have and it's not like I won't be friendly to someone else. I just don't want to give my time anywhere else. Like, what I have is established and it's good. And I just, and like, if Emily, is too busy to do something because she has four kids and I'm or I'm too like we don't care. So like there has been times where we've had our own friends and then it's sort of like that. And then we come back like especially during like baseball season.

We got close again. And then, um, you know, for, her son might do wrestling this year. So we'll, you know what I mean? We'll be close all summer and then wrestling and then baseballs after that. So like it's just we're in a really good place. I don't know what that's going to look like with. I don't know. And I just don't want.

I love my mom friends now. I don't want to make new ones. But I think to what you just said, that says a lot about your friendship. I believe that the best friends are the ones who can go off and do life. And if your schedules aren't aligning or whatever, then, okay, I'll see you when I see you. And then you meet back up, go do stuff together. And it's like you pick up right where you left off. And then you might not see each other.

But you know that that person's there. You can text them at any time, call them at any time, whatever. and it's not like you're hanging out every single day, but you're living life and their living life and you just pick up where you left off. Well, so Lux has, Lux and Creed have cousins like that, and they have two kids that might align with Creed and,

Creed and Rio. So at least I'll have that, like I'll have them once her youngest and Rio get to, but they, I don't know what sports they'll play. Like, I don't know. I mean, they're there. So, like,

I know that we'll be able to pick up where we left off. But I don't know. It just, life is weird. Life is so weird. We have a video that we were tagged in, and we are going to watch and react to this video. No, no, no, no. I get everybody's problem. I get why everybody is mad, but what I'm trying to understand is why did I get fired and why did I go to jail for messing with an 87-year-old man? He's grown. Yes, I'm his caretaker, but y'all got me doing home health aid without a certificate, without going to school, and that was a problem that me and him decided to be in love. I love the man.

Yes, I'm supposed to be taken care of him. I changed his diaper. That's what made me fall in love with him. When I took the pamper off, I'm just like, wow, I have never seen anything this huge a day in my life. And now I'm in trouble. He's older than me. I'm only 30 years old. Make it make sense.

So I'm up here now trying to get my job back. They better give him my job back, go y'all are going to be back out here on the news. And that's just what it's going to be. Because I didn't deserve this, ma'am. I fell in love with each other. He's grown. It's not my fault. He got dementia. Dementia. Dementia. It's not my fault that y'all hired me to do this job. It's not my fault that the family signed on to this. It's not my fault. The only fault I have is that I fell in love with an 87-year-old man. Let's do the interview.

Okay. It's satire. So essentially was she incarcerated because he was unable to consent? It's satire. It wasn't real. Wait, what? That was satire. That was a fake interview? Yes. Her whole account is that. What?

I only know that because way, way, way back when, maybe last year, either here on baby mamas, I talked about it and I didn't realize it was satire. I just thought that she did like a safe haven. Her she wanted to give the baby up. She had cheated on her baby daddy and she put the baby in the safe haven box and then she didn't want her because it wasn't her boyfriend. when she didn't want the boyfriend to break up with her and I thought it was real and it was satire. Her whole account is satire.

Ma'am? Yeah. I just got bamboozled. Yes. Could you imagine like if that was actually real? There probably are stories that that's actually happened. Oh, I'm sure. I'm 100.

But also I don't think because you wouldn't get fired if you fall in love with someone. I don't, maybe you would. I don't know. But if he has dementia. Dementia. Dementia. On that, no, let's do foul play. All right.

Let me preface this by saying I've had gut issues for over 10 years now. However, unlike kale situation, everything stays in me. And when this incident happened, I was only able to go once a week. Also, I live in Canada. In this particular day, it was chilly, 10 degrees Celsius, 50 degrees Fahrenheit. This is important to know. I was a month into dating my now hobby, and I took him to meet my friends for the first time. Everything went well, but my tummy was not feeling great.

and I was super gassy. I tried to use the bathroom a few times at my friend's house to no avail. On our way to the car, I could finally let, I could finally let some farts out without him knowing. And being outside, I could care less if they smelled. He was putting our stuff in the trunk and I decided to let one last silent fart go. We got into the vehicle and I immediately smelled the rancest fart. That has ever left my, okay.

And I immediately smelled the rancest fart that has ever left my body. It lofted into the car behind me. In a state of horror, I slapped my hand across his mouth. I slapped my hand across his mouth. Is this happen to you? I'm crying. I'm fucking crying. Why would she do that?

Why would she do that? The Botox makes me look crazy. I slapped my hands across his mouth and his nose and said, don't breathe, close your nose. And started rolling down, I'm ruining my makeup. He said, she says, I slapped my hand across his mouth and nose and said, don't breathe, close your nose. It started rolling down the windows. He looked at me confused and tried rolling his window up. Maybe he's a fart smell.

He took my hand off his nose and said, what are you doing? It smells so bad in here. He gets his window up and calmly says to me, it's way too cold outside. I would rather smell your fart. I was still embarrassed, but it was another check in the books amongst other amazing things that he does

for me. He can handle all of my shit, literally. Love the podcast. And thanks for the laughs every week. ladies. Okay. There is makeup. Look at this. It's ruined. Do you feel like you can control farts? Yeah, and get a stomach ache. But like, do you just like make it go inside? Yes. And you get a huge or you get so bloated. But also, I just read a study that said if you do that, the gas actually breaks up, like the bubbles actually break up and dissolve back into your body so that you can burp them up.

You burp up a fart? You can. Yeah. I don't know if that was satire or not. But. That's what it said. That's what it said. That would just be so humiliating to fart in a car. It's not like you're somewhere like a public place or something and you can find a reason to walk away. Right. And part and then come back. No, like you are, you are trapped and you never know what's going to come out of your body.

Right. Like it could be a silent but deadly. It could be a loud, not smelly one. I always know which kid farted by. how they smell. Wait, what? I always know which one of my kids farted by how they smell. How? They all have their own sense. It's disgusting.

So you, somebody can fart in your fucking car and you know which kid ripped ass. Yes. What? I swear to God, I'm not making this up. I'm not making it up. I need to know other people who have multiple children if you can decipher who's fart too. Yeah. Next foul play. This person says,

I'm not fucking ready. I want to start off by saying, I love the podcast. I listen every week. Thank you, ma'am. My foul play moment just happened, and I am currently feeling the pain. This is the first thing I thought of, why not share my pain? Please do. My boyfriend of five years and I were just doing the nasty, rough, legs on my shoulders

type stuff. Anyways, I haven't eaten all day. Why is this another fucking fart? After we finished, I got up super fast and went to the bathroom. I was super woozy and just passed out off the toilet, busted my face on the bathtub, and then proceeded to get up and walk into my boyfriend's room, pass out again, busting the same side of my face. My boyfriend found me passed out, pantyless in the hallway, scared his roommate was

going to find me craziest shit of my life. What the fuck were they doing? She must have been, she didn't eat and then all of the working out, all the activities. Jesus Christ, I would have been so scared. Like, if I had, if I had just got done having sex with something, someone and they passed out. Like I would think I'm going to jail. Like I, like, I'd be so scared. But if I was the passer outer, I wouldn't have come out of the bathroom the first time if I busted my face on a bathtub. There's only two occasions that I saw someone pass out. One was like a boxing

situation. And then the second one was my, my girlfriend and I went and got piercings in our ears. And she passed out while she was getting her cartilage pierced. And both times, like, they lift your legs. When you pass out? Yeah, I'm not entirely sure why. And I don't, I never really made the connection that both times they did that. And it was two completely separate scenarios. But it did help. I don't know why. Kristen said that it gets your blood back to your heart. Oh, okay. That's why they do it. Okay. Okay. But there would be no me passing out two different occasions, because I would have stayed where my face hit the bathtub and you would have to come and find me and call 911. Yeah, I agree.

with that. I agree. You know, like, I'm not going to get up and try to, like, finesse this entire situation. Like, I've already passed the fuck out. No, I've never passed out. I don't think. I've been close to it, but that's terrifying. Like, I would want to go get checked out. Also, what is the stuff that they have you smell? Kristen, I feel like would know. Is it, like, salt or rubbing alcohol? What is it that they have you smell sometimes smelling salt? What is that? Wakes you the fuck up. Also, but why? She says it smells foul because probably it smells so foul that you come too. Well, I look foul because I cried my makeup off.

I just have never really, actually, I've been close to passing out. I've always wondered this and now I'm going to ask. Has anyone woke up like super early? I used to do this in high school. I woke up super early in the morning and taken a hot shower and feel like the water might get too hot. So you have to get out and almost pass out. Has that ever happened to you? I need to know if it's happening.

to anybody else because that has absolutely happened to me. And it's absolutely terrifying. Never heard of it. Oh, I'm getting a phone call. From who? Can't tell you. I would have to kill you. And on that note, happy Father's Day to the Cat Daddies. Thank you guys for always supporting our show. Please subscribe and review on the Apple podcast app, follow and rate on Spotify or listen wherever you get your podcast. Don't forget to follow us on Instagram and join our Facebook group to connect with us in our community. We hope that you guys have a great week and we'll talk to you soon. See ya.

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