Coffee Convos with Kail Lowry and Lindsie Chrisley - F*ckaround Shoes

Episode Date: October 22, 2026

CC501: We're still in Atlanta! Kail and Lindsie continue their conversations around school drills, real estate woes, and the Cornell 7. The duo discuss whether active shooter drills are just traumatizing the kids and why bullet casings found in a backpack deserve more than a slap on the wrist. Plus, Kail shares the latest in co-parenting, how that relates to high interest rates, and why kids treat brand-new shoes like they’re hiking the Amazon rainforest. Lastly, they share their thoughts on the viral Cornell 7 lawsuit and the ridiculous state of consent laws.Send in your small-town drama, HOA sagas, diner/local business chaos, and multi-generational family feuds, to [e-mail] for our Small Town Gossip segment! For full videos head to Youtube.com/@KailandtheChaosThank you for checking out our sponsors!RoBody: Find out if you’re covered for free at ro.com/coffeeconvosSKIMS: Shop our favorite loungewear and pajamas at SKIMS.comSee Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

I hate gift giving and receiving. Receiving gifts is so weird. What do you say thank you? This is coffee convoes with Kail Lowry and Lindsay Crissly. I really want you to be in your feels, Kail. That does not interest me whatsoever. I feel very attacked by you. A spirited discussion about motherhood, friendship, family, and life in the public eye.

I'm just not with the fakery anymore. There's a fakery bakery around here. Here's Kail and Lindsay. Do you remember back when we were in elementary school and it's like, I can't remember if it was a tornado or a fire, but you had to like grab a book and go in the hallway and you put it over your head. It's like, how is that helping us? It's just traumatizing us, I feel. Because in real life, our, because we, like when are we grabbing a book?

But not only that, I think that those types of drills, in order for you actually to do that in a real setting, this is just my opinion. We would have needed to do them so much more frequently for it to become second nature to do that. Do you know what I'm saying? Yeah. We didn't do those once a month. Fire drills were once a month. Yeah.

But like the... Was that tornado or hurricane? Whatever those ones were or the active shooter or whatever. Because we started doing active shooter drills or no, it wasn't active shooter drills. It was like a person that was a threat to the school. We did those drills, but not necessarily had a gun. Oh yeah. What did they call that like code red or something?

But we didn't do those once a month with the fire drill, right? So in order for, at least from my experience with therapy when I learned how to do the like, what's five things you see and four things you smell and three things you can touch. and the deep breaths too. Like, you have to do that so often to make it second nature and to actually do it when it happens that like those drills are just traumatizing us

aside from the fire drill. They're just traumatizing kids, in my opinion. I agree. So one time, speaking of active shooter drills, we didn't do that when we were in school. I feel like obviously, yes, when we were in school, there was like Columbine and a couple of like others

that were publicized, but it wasn't like as common as now. Yeah. And I do feel like they do the active shooter drills more often, but how do you feel as a parent about our kids going to school and they're doing active shooter drills, but they like don't warn them? It's not even just that, though, for me, right? Like, that's a problem, but also if they don't warn, I'm like, I'm like the only way for it to really work and for people to do it correctly and to learn to do it correctly. is if you don't tell them, but on the flip side of it, most that I know of, most of the active

shooters are inside the building and they're doing these drills up until they actually commit their crimes. Correct. So now they're, it's from what I've heard, I haven't heard of an active shooter from outside the school. It's usually a student. Yeah, inside the school. So it's not really help.

You're kind of telling the shooter what to do to expect. So I remember like back when we were. it had to have been like elementary school or middle school but it was like I can't remember what they called it but there was like a code word if there was somebody that was like in the building that wasn't supposed to be in there and the code word would be announced like over the intercom or something yes I remember that you remember that yes I do and I can't remember was it like there was like a stranger in there that didn't go to the office or something and like bypassed that and was walking down the hallways or something and there were like protocols for what to do and they would

announce it. Yeah, I would feel like I was in like middle school or high school. I feel like I must have been in middle school when they were doing these. I think it's a double-edged sword, right? Like, if you don't do the drills, they're liable. If you do do the drills and they don't go as planned, you're liable. Like, there is no winning. It's like you want to be proactive, but like how proactive, how much thought are we putting into this? Are we traumatized? Like, it's a double-edged sword. No matter which way you look at it, there's no, I don't think there's a way to like make everybody happy until like actually I'm just trying to think I'm reading a book right now um it's called hollow bones and the main character um she works in public safety health and public safety and one of those

things they're doing like simulations and um for like a plane catching on fire because she was her mom died in 9-11 and so she works for the public safety and health or whatever and so they're doing like these simulations where it's like, okay, there's 30 passengers and as everybody accounted for and what's the protocols and what happens if the flames go here? Do we get back on the... It's, you can't win. Okay, so I want to ask you how you would feel as a parent and then we can move on, but how you would feel as a parent if you received an email during school hours, but dismissal was about to happen. And there were bullet casings that were. were found in a student's backpack at the school. It was in the morning time. So let's say school starts

at 9 o'clock. So let's say these casings were found in this student's backpack at 9 a.m. How old is the kid? Between, they didn't announce if it was a 6th grader, 7th grader, or 8th grader. So anywhere from starting 6th grader to 8th grade. And I have no idea how the casings were actually discovered. But it was deemed. that there was no threat to the school and that maybe it was like a weekend, let's say hypothetically it was a weekend backpack and this student used said backpack to go hunting and there were casings of bullets in the backpack. As a parent, do you feel like the child should be held responsible or the parent should be held responsible for that mistake? Or do you think that,

it's just kind of okay. So sometimes accidents that truly could not have been prevented mostly, but there is some negligence, you still have to pay for that, right? Like if you run a stop sign and hit somebody, unfortunately, there are consequences. You might not have meant it. Maybe a tree was covering the stop sign. But ultimately, there was a stop sign. You missed it.

You hit and killed somebody. It was a freak accident. you still have to pay for that, whether it's manslaughter or whatever. Yep. This is a situation where in order to prevent something even further from happening, I do feel as though that was unfortunately a lesson for the child and the parents, and they should have all been suspended for X amount of time, because now the parents need to figure out what they're going to do with their child

and they can't go to work because the kid's not in school. They need to figure that out. And this needs to be a lesson that if you are going hunting, you need to make sure that that backpack is cleared before school. Because next time it could have been a bullet that was not a casing. Correct. Next time it could have been the gun that was used to do said hunting. Like that to me is, unfortunately, you have to take extreme measures, I think, in today's society.

It shouldn't be that way, but that's what it is, in my opinion. So I had a friend that had a child in high school a couple of years ago. Similar situation happened. It was in the wintertime. he and his brothers had been out hunting over the weekend, picked up a hunting jacket, took it to school, was wearing it, and there was a hunting knife that was in the pocket of said jacket. That child got suspended. It was like towards, let's say, let's just use Christmas as an example. The child got suspended for an entire week prior to Christmas and then was out during Christmas break and had to go to some type of like tribunal thing in front of the board of the county over the hunting knife.

But to my knowledge, the situation with the bullet casings and the middle school, to my knowledge and what I heard, there was no consequence. Maybe this is a hot take, but like before all of the school shootings that America has experienced, maybe I would have said, okay, fine, we can overlook this. Yes. But we don't live in that society anymore. That's not the world we think. live in. Correct. And especially following the case that we talked about where the dad was being

criminally charged for negligence and Appalachie High School. Yeah. For things like that, unfortunately, I do feel like you kind of have to go to those extreme measures. Correct. I do. And I feel like it sets a precedent of, hey, when stuff like this happens, you will also be held liable. It's holding parents to a different standard in this day and time. And you have to. At this, how do you feel, we talked about this maybe last year. I don't know when we talked about it, but we talked about it at some point. How do we feel about clear backpacks? We did talk about it at some point.

I feel like it maybe was a year ago. So Jackson, when he was in preschool, it was a clear backpack policy. And the school actually provided said backpack. So everybody had the exact same backpack. I loved it for the pure fact of they know exactly what's coming in the school and what's going out. Because if you're not willing to. because I would imagine that security guard, nobody wants to go into a school

there are schools that have metal detectors and security guards, we know that. But that can also get incredibly expensive and I think things can also get missed or like passed through. You can't fit certain things in clear backpacks and then also you'll see it. So, and then I know we run into the question

what about for girls who are going through their period and things like that, I think like a little zipper, the little zipper pouches should maybe be checked by, an admin by girl. Unfortunately, these are the measures that we have to go through. But if you can't do metal detectors and security guards and then I told you my kids school put in bulletproof doors and windows in the front office, that's all great and good. But like I said, it's usually people that are inside the school. So you're spending money on these doors and these windows, but people

are still smuggling things into the school. So why not just do clear backpacks? I think clear backpacks, but one of the arguments that I saw on the Facebook whenever we talked about this was the pouches of things. Like those would also have to be clear. Like if you have a pencil box, for example, you could fit something technically in a pencil box if you really wanted to. So then like all of that would have to be clear as well. And teachers can't check that stuff every single day. So it's like if we have the clear backpack, but then we have pencil boxes. But it's just one extra.

Like you have to put so much more thought into it. If you are required to use a clear backpack, sure, yes, pouches could go in there, but like, it's one more step they have to think about. You have to find a GUN or a weapon small enough to fit into those things. Is it possible? Yes, but it's just one more step. And like, my kids don't bring their pencil boxes to and from. Their pencil boxes stay at school. Oh, stay at school like in their desk? Yeah. Okay. So, so they're not transporting that at the point. And I check my kids backpacks every day. I do too. So I just feel like it's, one more step that could help. I don't know. It's like it just feels like a more affordable way.

Maybe it's not. Maybe a one and done purchase of metal detectors is, but I don't know. I don't know what the solution is. What do you feel about lockers? I feel like they shouldn't exist. I'm 50-50 on it because up until this year where my Lux and Creed were going to school, lockers were in the schools, but they didn't use them. Yeah, that's how it is in Jackson School. If you wanted to use a locker, you had go to the office and request it for whatever reason. And it kind of pissed me off because I'm like, I remember being in school and did not want to carry these books everywhere I went. And there's just more room for error to leave things in classrooms and not have your books and whatever, whatever. Now they're in a private school where their lockers are not locked. Okay. So they're just kind of

more cubbies with doors. Okay. And it's just like the honest policy. Like you put things in your locker. You don't touch other people's stuff. Like, yeah. Yeah. I just think it's necessary to have things behind doors at this point. I think that's completely unnecessary. In Jackson's school, I mean, I don't know. I've never asked, but he hasn't brought home a textbook or I haven't seen like a textbook or anything like that in years. Same. Like they do everything either like on the school laptop or I guess if they have any type of textbooks or whatever they're held in the class. Yeah. Same. They do Lux does his math homework on the computer, like on his Chromebook.

Yeah. They can bring library books home, but no textbooks. And I just, I got a notice from Lux's room that all of his homework is optional. Okay, how do you feel about that optional homework or no homework policies? Jackson's elementary school was no homework policy from kindergarten to fifth grade. And I loved it because my argument to that is there's seven hours in school every single day, Monday through Friday. I feel like that's enough time that they don't need to be coming home with hours worth of homework.

But now that he's in middle school, I have a different take on it because they don't have the no homework policy at the middle school. And so it's been really hard for him to transition because he didn't create those habits from kindergarten through fifth that he's like, why do I have homework now? I don't have a firm opinion. I have lots of opinions. On one hand, for the parents, especially in today's economy and today's society, like a lot of parents are working.

And so they're not able to, when they get home, it's like bed, sports, bath, like it's so chaotic that it's hard for the parents. On the flip side of it, the kids are illiterate. Nobody can fucking read. Nobody has competency. Nobody has critical thinking. Yeah, nobody has critical thinking skills. So I think it's a double-edged sword here too because the parents are busing

their asses working from, you know, sometimes having two jobs and they are not able to do all the things after. I mean, you have to think most people are not getting off until five or six o'clock at night. And so who's helping the kid with the homework? And then they have sports and then they have dinner and then they have bath and they have this and they have that. And they have that. And parents are bringing their homework with their own work home with them. And so, but for the kids, I do think the kids need it, one, for healthy habits, too, for like, they're in school for seven, eight hours. But how much are they learning? I can tell you based off of

we're all fucking stupid but I feel like we're less stupid we're less stupid because of the era that we grew up in but the generation that we grew up in but our kids are going to be dumb but think about it like they really don't know how to do a lot of the things that we learned in school to do

like they don't no and if you look at kids no I'm not saying this is all kids but I'm saying specifically for mine and there's other children that I've seen like their handwriting. And I'm like, bro, what's that? I don't think, so when I was in kindergarten, I still have memory of the little grippy things that they slid onto our pencil.

It almost looks like an eraser. And to push, I still write like this instead of like this. I do too. They don't have that. They don't have. And obviously, things can't all fall on the teacher. It also requires people's parents and guardians and caretakers. But it's because of the technology.

It is. It doesn't have anything to do necessarily. I think with the teachers, I'm sure if we pulled teachers, they would love for the kids to be able to write better as well. But they're teaching the kids how to use Chromebooks instead of teaching them how to use the pencil correctly. Yes. They're teaching the kids how to navigate Google classroom instead of doing mechanical stuff and find motor skills and whatever in the classroom.

To your point, that's not the teacher's fault. It's evolution of technology. And they have to be, you know, kind of just with the times. I worry for my kids' critical thinking abilities. So far, Elliot has demonstrated great critical thinking skills, but I have noticed as my kids get younger and tech not, because Elliot didn't get a Chromebook in school right away. I don't like he had a Chromebook until like third or fourth grade because he's so much older. I don't even remember if he had a Chromebook at all, to be honest. but as my kids get younger,

I fear that the critical thinking skills are not there for, they're less and less. And I just, I don't know how you feel about this, but I feel like my parents were so stressed about, like our testing weeks and stuff, like standardized testing. I feel like they're not as important to,

to the students, they're not as important to society now. I remember during testing weeks, we had to, like, go to bed at a certain time and we had to wake up and breakfast were prioritized during those testing weeks. These kids today, they don't give a fuck. They don't care. They think it's like a free-for-all. They're like, if we get it wrong, it doesn't matter. Because it doesn't, it has nothing to do with the kids.

I was so stressed out about them. My mom didn't even know about them. My mom never kept up with any of my stuff. I think she went to one parent-teacher conference my whole life. I don't know how you weren't taken. I should have been. The standardized testing is for the school and the district. It's not for the kids.

But they also get, I'm pretty sure, based off of... The funding. Yeah, they get funding based off of, I guess, like the collective average of what the kids are getting, like, in the county. But so if they don't perform as well, do they get more funding? I'm not sure how that works, but I know that the standardized testing. is required for funding. You know what pisses me off? This is going to be an unpopular opinion.

The lower income schools by us are the ones that have Spanish immersion. And the ones that are not low income do not have Spanish immersion. And I think that's so fucked up. So you're only providing Spanish immersion to the schools with lower income because what you assume, or statistically speaking, the lower income schools have marginalized communities. communities go there, but then you're not going to provide that same program for Spanish immersion because anybody can do it, but you're only having it at the lower income schools. So, but your kids aren't in that anymore?

No, they are. How many are still in that? All of them, except my older kids, obviously middle school and high school, they're just take their language classes, but like Lux and Cretter in Spanish immersion, Rioversum Valley will go to Spanish immersion. But like that should be an opportunity for all schools. But I don't feel like they have that here. No, they don't.

everybody that I talk to is like dumbfounded and I'm like did this was this program born because that's more so what I'm getting at is like was it born because you're you're associating low income with Hispanic and other populations or are you doing it because it's a good program for everybody to have access to like I don't understand that piece of it I feel like it's the first one that you said well that's fucked up everybody should get to do it let's talk about skims because you guys have heard us say it before but I am going to say it again skims is top tier and their fabrics are truly one of a kind. I love skims. I love their bras because they make me feel like I'm not wearing anything and I just love the support they give. But I also really

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the Facebook and I want to be able to get to those. People are basically wanting general life updates. How are the moving plans going overall? I can't make a moving plan. We cannot do any of that until our trial. We have a trial in February of 2027 where I one dad filed to modify custody. I filed to relocate. It just so happened that that was the time frame. It wasn't, you know, he filed because I filed or I filed as he filed. So we have a trial. They're going to consolidate, from my understanding, they're going to consolidate custody modification and the move.

And then the judge has 90 days to decide from that court hearing, whether or not, one, custody changes and two, do I have permission to move? So both of those things will be decided within 90 days. From my understanding. So there is no plans. But we do have a backup plan, I guess, like if the judge were to say no. you know, what that would look like. Do we stay where we're at? What are your thoughts on that? We've been talking about it a lot because the problem with

the economy is that interest rates are skyrocketing and my house is almost paid off. So it's like, okay, obviously it's not ideal for us to be neighbors with Elijah, right? Like that's just not ideal for him entering a new relationship, for my relationship, for, you know, things like that. Is it convenient? Yeah. Is it ideal? No. So it's like, but on the flip side of it, we will never find a six bedroom, six bath house for the interest rate that I have for the price that I paid to build this house. And so do we put in, do we stay where we're at and put a pool house in so that we have the extra room? Do we put a pole barn in? Do we stay where we're at and then hope for the best? Because even if we were not allowed to move out of the state and we have to stay in Delaware, moving into another home with the amount of square footage and bedroom. we need and then also the interest rates, it's buy high, sell high. So it's not like I'm going to make a profit on my house and then turn around and have the down payment on the new house. It's just not going to work that way. So we've just kind of been kind of playing it by ear and

just considering all options. I know before it was like we want to move to North Carolina. It was North Carolina, North Carolina, North Carolina. That is not the case anymore. We're looking Georgia, North Carolina, South Carolina. We talked about New Jersey, which, I think is out of the question for their taxes are too high. Oh, we looked at Virginia because we're like, if Hobby doesn't move out of Virginia and he stays there, we're closer to scenarios for Ike. And then we're also potentially, if Hobby doesn't move out of Virginia, Lincoln could potentially go back to 50-50.

So at that rate. There's just like so much to think about. There really is. And I'm never going to take, I don't care how far away I live. I'm never taking my kids away from their dad. So for me, it's, you know, if we were to move to Virginia, I would ask the court, can Lux and Creed have the schedule that Lincoln currently has with Hobby, which is the closest to 50-50 that we could get? And could that work for Lux and Creed where they're spending longer uninterrupted time with Chris and it would avoid the high conflict every other weekend kind of deal? So I think that we're just kind of considering all things and want to just, because the deal.

judge could very well say no. Yeah. But what does that look like? Would you stay neighbors with Will? It's so funny that you asked this because I recently, and by recently, it was later in the summer, looked at a house that was about six houses down from Will. And I was like, okay, could I do this at this period of time in our life and like where we are with like him being in another relationship and me at the place that I'm at, I think that I could do it successfully at this point. And I think it would be great for Jackson to be able to ride the same bus. And he would essentially get off at the same stop and he might go there or he might go to mine. Right.

Do I think that I could have done that a couple of years ago? No. Like that just would not have been, we needed space. Like you don't get divorced and then live side by side. And I think that that's probably like what you're struggling with a little bit, even though you weren't married. It kind of feels like a divorce. It's convenient for the kids,

but is it convenient for your mental health? You know, you've got to be the one to answer that. I think that I would be perfectly fine. But then it's also weird like seeing other people's cars like in the driveway. But see, here's the thing too, though, like six houses down, unless you're actively looking that way or you pass that way, we share a driveway. It's like an adjacent street for, it would be like an adjacent street for us. That is, because remember Joe and I lived in the same, we lived one street over from each other.

Yeah. It was he's on the street. You could throw a rock and it would hit his roof. And that was too close for comfort for me at the time. If they did it now, if that was the same exact scenario, which is what you're describing. Yeah. I mean, we're talking literally one street over in the same neighborhood. And at first I was like, I just felt smothered.

But now looking back, I mean, it was fine over time. Over time, because I didn't go down that street. It was I missed their street and went to my street. So I didn't know what was going on over there. And we didn't really have Elliott because he was too young to walk over there. Now I would say if it was that situation where Elijah lived on our street, fine. It's fine. But we're sharing a driveway.

If he's outside with anybody, we see it. If we're outside with anyone, he sees. it. When we're filming, he sees it. When we go to the farm, the farm is directly next to him. So it just feels like an invasion of privacy. For him too, I would imagine. But I completely forgot that Joe and I were basically neighbors too. Like what you just said, yeah, I think that would be fine. Yeah. I mean, I think it's kind of a cool concept if you can be mature enough to be like, okay, we, we, we, we no longer are together. We, neither one of us want to be together. It would probably be in the best interest of our kid. He plays with all the same people all the time. He goes to the

exact same neighborhood every single day. In theory, I think it's a great idea. Now, Will was like, my ex-wife is not living six houses down for me. And for me, I'm like, it's, it's really not that big of a deal because I don't, I don't want to be with you. And that wouldn't be the purpose of like, why we were living in the same neighborhood. You know what I mean? Right. The purpose would be we have one child and we share him and it's like the ease for that. Do you feel like that there is a potential, let's say you are not allowed to relocate, let's just say like hypothetically. Okay.

Is there a potential for you to stay in your house and build like another, another, like a pool house or like pole barn or whatever you're saying and potentially purchase Elijah's house and turn that into a rental. That's what I was thinking. I don't know that Elijah would go for it. But maybe over time when he gets in a more, I don't know, like what his dating situation is, not really my business, but maybe over time his partner will be like, this is too close for comfort.

Yeah. I definitely think that there's a world where that could be explored, especially because, I mean, it all was one big original farm. And he lives in the original farmhouse. So like I, that would be in a perfect world if the judge says no, that would be because I can't imagine being able to build a home or buy a home in Delaware with the situation. Like it would just be so astronomically expensive. Like at the point that I would have to rebuy another house somewhere in Delaware, I should have

just moved and moved to another state. Right. It will be just as expensive with the interest rate with buying high, selling high. Like people that are buying right now, I'm curious to know. why outside of like extenuating circumstances, but like how are you affording it? Because the houses are priced insanely right now. But then you're selling high and you're buying high and there's no room for like. There's no room to make any money and there's only room to spend.

Basically, my house now was value appraised at double what I spent building it. Yeah. So to me, that would not make sense for you to move. because even though it's valued double, you're going to spend all of that and some to get what you currently have. Say I got something that's, we'll say in my, I go find something in, I don't know, South Carolina. That's within my budget. There's no, I'm not making room on my sale because the new house is going to cost the same

or more. Yep. Than what I sold my house for where if I, if it only appraised for a little bit more than what I built it for where there would still be a profit, that would be my down payment. and then I might have some of my budget to renovate. That can't happen right now. No, it can't. And my situation is so unique with all my children.

It is so unique. And I can't even imagine how you wrap your head around all of that. And there's so many life things that are going on that, like, for example, with Elliot. Like, do I plan for him to have a bedroom inside the house? Do I plan to put him in a pool house? Do I plan to have him share a room with Lincoln because he's about to go to by the time everything is said and done, he'll be going off to college or the military or whatever, he won't be in the house full time. But I want my kids to always have a place with me.

So do I make him a situation where it's like he has a temporary space in one of the brothers' bedrooms? No, I think in the event that you stay in your house, I think the pool house idea is a great idea. And the kids that are starting to get older that don't necessarily, I'm not saying they don't need you, but don't need you as much. Maybe their rooms would be swapped. Like in the poolhouse. Oh, yeah. Like Elliot would be the first one in the pool house. Yeah.

When Lincoln gets older, his would move into the pool house. And then everyone still has their own room. They're not sharing. Correct. It's complicated. I don't know how people afford to have families like yours. They don't. Like, I don't know how.

It was too late by the time. You know what I mean? Like the kids were here. Well, yeah. No, I know. And like you figure it out. And I guess you figure out how to make it work. I'm just saying,

for me, I know how expensive it is to have one. How do you do that seven times? Like I think about you every single year when we go back to school shopping. And I'm like, wow, that was so expensive. And while I understand we don't have to get all these things, right? Like, I get that. It's a luxury to be able to do it. However, you're doing that times seven.

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dot CO slash coffee combos to get started. For side effects of GLP-1 medications, including box warning, go to row. Dot co-slash safety. Oh, wait. Someone wrote in and said, Kail, why are you going to Goodwill to get the school supplies when you can get them cheaper at like the dollar store. I did school supplies. I did not do back to school clothes. Did you do them at Goodwill? No, by the time we went, they were gone. Okay. So I ended up just,

it was like a good idea. Yeah. And if I would have started sooner, I probably would have been able to do it. I ended up getting school supplies from Walmart, Target, Amazon. We did not do back to school clothes shopping. The kids, for Lux and Creed, they have birthdays. So I did one of their birthday presence was clothes. Outside of that, we did not. I had them switch backpacks. We had brand new backpacks that we hadn't used from two years prior for basketball. And I completely forgot about them.

So when I went to go wash the other years of school backpacks, I found the backpacks that we had bought for sports that were never used. They were Nike. And then Lincoln had a bunch of spray ground backpacks. And he was like, these are the ones I don't want. And he wanted to, he was going to give. him to his friends and I said, well, let your brothers pick first. So, and then they just have so many clothes and Lincoln takes such good care of his stuff. Lincoln had, I mean, he cleaned out his shoes and gave

shoes. I don't even know if he wore them to Lux that he just passed down. There's no need for us to go waste a ton of money on brand new clothes when they, Lincoln's are in such good condition to pass down. See, Jackson doesn't have anybody to pass down. Like, send them to us. So I'm like, but he also, I say, it's like the 13 year old boy uniform where it's like black shorts and either white or black Nike socks. And then it's some type of like sport shirt. Yep. That's Lincoln Mox and Creed. The standard uniform of what they wear.

But how do certain kids, I will never understand this. Like when I was growing up, my parents always bought us a new pair of school shoes like to start school. And mine would look brand new still like at the end of the year. And then Kyle was wearing shoes that were. brand new on the start of school and by three days in, it looks like he had been across the United, like Forrest Gump. Yeah, like Ash Dikes. Yes. He had he had kayaked the entire Congo basin in their shoes in three days. Yes. For sure. But how like is that a personality? Like yes. What is that? It's got to be personality because Elliot is he wants everything to look fresh,

but he fucks up his shoes so bad. Lincoln has very special. specific shoes for very specific things. And he will literally wear his slides to basketball, take his slides off, put his basketball shoes on. He won't wear his basketball shoes outside. And then he has like his like banger shoes that he can go get muddy and play outside and he doesn't care. And then he brings a second. I call him fuck around shoes. He's got fuck around shoes. And then he also has shoes that he like brings with him when he wears the fuck around shoes because he doesn't want to fuck those up. And when he wants to take those off, the nice ones off and put his fuck around shoes on for recess. Then you have Lux. He does not give one single fuck about shoes.

Lux's personality is Adam Sandler. Lux does not give one single fuck what he wears or what he looks like. Creed gives every fuck. Creed wants to sell his clothes on Poshmark to get new clothes. Creed wants the freshest shoes and the freshest outfit and he wants it to look crisp and he wants it to look clean and he doesn't want the white to look dingy and he wants to look good. Okay. I will say the dingy. Oh, Creed only will wear Nike. He does not appreciate Adidas. Okay. So that's interesting that you say that because Jackson also is an all Nike wear.

And it has to be like specific Nike stuff too. So he'll, you know, like at Dick's sporting goods, how they have the shirts that have like the Nike check on it, like the little logo on the side. Right. Okay. It needs to be those shirts. He does not really like the graphic Nike shirts. Okay. Okay. And then if it's not the shirts that just have the like small Nike check on it, then it needs to be Jordan.

Okay. That's giving creed. But then Jackson also does not take care of his stuff. Like he looks like a bagabon 95% of the time. It's just like controlled bagabon. What is a bagabon? I feel like it's somebody like an Adam Sandler. Oh, that's like. Like I feel like Jackson's a combination of Creed and Lux. Yeah. Sounds like it. And when I tell you, he reminds me so much of my brother growing up with the shoes. I went to shoe station and I had bought a pair of, I was actually texting you and I was asking about like sizing for Birkenstocks because I had not had a pair of Birkenstocks since I think I was in ninth grade. Which is so funny because my mom and grandma wore them.

Oh, they did? Religiously. That's so funny. Birkenstock brand religiously for years. Like I don't remember them wearing any other sandals in the summertime. That's so crazy. So I wear like rainbow flip flops. I really don't like flip flops. I'm like a slide wear. Same for the most part. But I will wear flip flops if I'm going to like to nail salon or something. So I had gone to shoe station because I was like, you know what? I feel like Birkenstocks are back in. And they probably never went out.

Like I felt like I phased them out in ninth grade and then I never wore them again until this year. So I'm like, I'm going to go to shoe station. They have Birkenstocks and I'm going to get a pair. So I was asking Kiel about sizing. And like, like if I need to size up or like my true size or whatever. And Jackson comes home from Wills and he sees my Birkenstocks and he's like, hey, mom, can I wear those Birkenstocks? And I was like, absolutely not. But that's the trend for guys to wear them now. Yes. It was never a trend for guys to wear them until recently.

Okay. So I'm not making this up. No. But did Burkinstocks ever go out for women? They did. And then they came back. They went out for some years. Yeah.

Because I also, but it was the Birkenstock clogs that were in high school. Yes. And then when they came back, it was the Birkenstock sandals. Two strap. Correct. Yeah. Now it's both and for boys to wear them with athletic socks, like the crew, Nike socks. Yes.

That's how Jackson wears his. So he sees that I have these Birkenstocks and I'm like, well, you don't like really take care of anything. So I'm not going to let you borrow my Birkenstocks to go and fuck them up at school. You know, I don't want to wear shoes that look like a bag of bon. And like I've been through whatever the fuck you're talking about, the Steve Irwin guy. I don't want to look like that. And so he was like, well, can we go to shoe station and get me a pair?

And I'm like, yeah, sure. He wears him to school one day. I shit you not. One day he wears them. And he comes home and it looks like he's dropped blue Kool-Aid all like over the top of the shoes. And he's like, mom, do you know how to get this off? And I'm like, number one, those are like swayed and I don't think it's going to come off. So I'm chat, GBTing like, how do you clean brand new Birkenstocks that have fuck shit all over them?

Yeah. Like why are some children like that? Birkenstock does have the, like, they're not rubber, but they're like crock material ones. Yeah, I had those. That's the only Birkenstocks that I've had since ninth grade. And I feel like I bought them off of QVC. You were a big QVC girl.

I was a big QVC girly. And I still. What, the plastic looking ones? No, QVC. Oh, I didn't know that. Yeah. Watch now you've got me. broke again. Link had

wanted the clog Bergenstocks so I got them for him and it was when he had the same size as me. So we were both wearing a 39. Now he sized up so then I got both of his other. I got both But he takes care of his stuff. Yeah. See Jackson literally looks like

he's had something for five years and it's been one day. That's Lux. And I'm like and part of me is like let kids be kids. They're just fucking shoes will replace them. But on the flip side of it, everything is so fucking expensive now. Before we came here, Lux had basketball.

He has basketball during the week. And it's like a game practice situation in the middle of the week. Like there's no weekend stuff. And I told Ike, I said, because he was out doing something, barbershop, whatever. And I said, before you go buy him basketball shoes, please check the bins to see whatever Lincoln has passed down. And he found Jordans that were like in mostly good condition. I think they had started to become Lincoln's fuck around shoes like after a while. They were like in transition to fuck around shoes.

Yeah, but they were good enough for Lux to wear to basketball. And I'm like, I'm not buying him new basketball shoes. We're not doing this. Moving on from that, we have to get into this Cornell case. The Cornell case has me outraged. So I saw Sonny from the view. And I think the report, the tagline that comes. kind of came out because they were they were briefly covering it on the view and it was saying

that she was she was defending the Cornell 7 because allegedly um in the state of New York that you can consent if you are even under like drugs or alcohol and like a debilitated state basically that you that you still can consent I don't agree with that and so anybody who has not heard of this case. It's been all over social media. A former a former Cornell University student filing anonymously as Jane Doe has sued Cornell and seven members of the school's chai. Is it Chi Phi? Chi Phi.

Or is it Chi Phi? Chi Phi fraternity. The lawsuit was filed September 14th, 2026, and she alleged in October 24th, 24, that at the fraternity house, she was drugged with ketamine and sexually assaulted. by multiple fraternity members while incapacitated. The lawsuit claims that one member posted in a group chat, one member posted in a group chat that the woman was available, and that's end quotes, available.

No, it said free pussy upstairs. That's what it said. See, I didn't. The Snapchat was, I have it. It was, it said free pussy upstairs. So it says that in the group chat, the woman was available, and that more men showed up and assaulted her over a period of hours. Cornell ran its own investigation with 12 hearings.

According to the lawsuit, only two of the seven accused members were expelled. The others got lesser sanctions, suspensions, workshops, or essays. The victim dropped out of school. No one was arrested. The Tompkins County District Attorney said that there wasn't enough evidence to support the criminal charges. Her lawsuit accuses Cornell a breach of contract. negligence saying the school failed to protect her.

She's asking for compensatory and putative damages. Cornell owns a news, uh, Cornell owns student newspaper and the Cornell Daily Sun published an editorial titled Cornell Woont, We Will. The son blasted the school for 23 months of public silence. The son blasted the school for 23 months of public silence. Asked why the student was allegedly never told the outcome. of her own, what is it, a title six?

Title IX. Title IX. Title IX investigation criticized letting suspended students write essays to reduce their punishments and publish the names of the seven accused men. This is all from sources like CBS News, New York, the Cornell Daily Sun editorial Cornell won't, we will. And I just think that this. is absolutely fucking wild.

So Cornell itself, and this is not unique to Cornell either, which is fucked up, but Cornell has 1,200 sexual assault cases filed from 2018 to 2024. Cornell has 1,200 sexual assault cases filed from 2018 to 2024. Most of those found responsible, received probation, or training, and allowed to remain on campus. Here's my issue with what I have that's now coming out is that people are saying that Jane Doe consented to this. One, I do not agree because she was already intoxicated when she got to the fraternity house.

But further, her text messages after the fact were, to my knowledge, before the people on campus were talking about it. So she came to. She realized what happened a little bit. But then she's learning through other people further what happened. So no, I don't agree. And I am the king. I am the queen of it's fine, even though it's not fine. And I will tell somebody it's fine, even though it's not fine.

Even though I know you did me so fucking dirty, it's not fine. But to avoid this conflict and to avoid all of this, I'm going to say it's fine. That's basically. And you've done that before. I have because I don't want to deal with the conflict. I don't know what the, I don't want you to hate me. And it's also like, this is shameful. Like I don't want you to hate me.

I don't want to be seen as the problem. So it's fine. Don't worry about it. As days go on and people on campus are talking about it and people are coming forward and people are, You learn that there are 57 of them who knew about this. You start learning more about what happened to you. I do not agree that she consented to this. Well, I saw one thing that was posted on, I believe it was Instagram.

And it was like, this was not only a couple of rapists. It was actually 57 because there were 57 people who knew about it and did nothing about it. I read something that allegedly, I don't know if this is true. the one of the people that was in that Snapchat group got Jane Doe the screenshots from the Snapchat group chat with the 57 people so they gave that information to her so that she could do something about it. I do not know how true that is. I don't mean to speculate. It's just something that I read. I would like to believe that was true because at least one person at least has that on their conscience a little bit. One of the seven

his parents are big time in Korea. Oh, wow. Like big, big time in Korea. And then another one, his parents, I think, or his mom is some sort of affiliation with a cop or is a cop. Disgusting. Another one was fired from his job. He was let go from his job at Wells Fargo. Oh, wow.

I think another person is going, I think the one that's like his parents are big time in Korea, I'm pretty sure he's going by an alias. Oh, wow. And then there was somebody else that was confronted on the Cornell campus, and it was recorded and posted to TikTok. Let me see if I, if I favored it. I'm not sure. Okay, this says a Cornell detail that just became public.

Hey, Cornell admins. Hey, you scumbag, pieces of dog shit. I have a quick question for you. Were you expecting it to come out that Jane Doe, after coming to you that she was ruthlessly and violently violated and raped by multiple boys on your campus for hours on end, right? after she came to you with that, that she then asked you to go home and you said no? Were you expecting that to come out to the public?

That her parents asked you for a refund on the semester so that she could be quietly and comfortably in the safety of her own home with her family for the next few months. And y'all said no to a refund and you said she needed to stay and finish her classes. Were you expecting that to come out to the public? Yes or no. And I would love a statement on this because you want to know something, Cornell. You might not have pulled the rape trigger, but you loaded the goddamn gun. because you are telling drunk, animalistic, disgusting, demon-fighting frat bros all around this country

that so long as they have a couple of cards stacked right or in their favor, they could get away with raping one of your students. And then you will give her a harsher punishment for being raped, then you will the rapists, because you're forcing her to stay in class, stay in the same cafeteria, as the people who she told you brutally assaulted her multiple times. Why did you treat Jane Doe harsher than you did the boys? who allegedly raped her.

And I don't care if it wasn't proven yet. It didn't go to court yet. In the text messages that were released from her to the guy, she said something about like her having a good time with him, but maybe like next time we hang out like don't have all those other men. So she was conscious enough to know about that. But like she didn't consent to it. And like also I would be like embarrassed and trying to like lessen this.

I don't know. Like I feel I feel bad. And also sometimes like. as days go on and you've slept on it. Like I'm just, I guess I'm more upset too that people are now victim blaming and saying she consented to this because she didn't. Even if she consented to one or two of them,

that doesn't mean she consented to seven. That doesn't mean that she consented for that to be blasted for a group chat of 57. Right. Right. So are you saying in the group chat of the 57, it was sent out by one of the guys, your saying said in a quote, I sent it to you.

Free pussy upstairs. Yeah, I sent it to you a screenshot. Free pussy. And put the location. Lum upstairs or whatever it was. This is crazy work, free. Diego went seven minutes ago. And it's not AFK.

What is that? What is AFK? So I fucking love Kai Fi. Kai Fi. The alumni shit is not a bit. First person point of view, not a bit. Like you can walk in and whip it out. And then someone said shop still open question mark.

And then someone says yeah. And then someone else says yeah. And then the double smiling face. That's actually sick. That's so sick. Can you imagine this being your daughter? No. No.

No. Nope. And then the admins who said, I think they temporarily suspended two. And then the rest had to write essays. Yeah, so it says expulsion for two and essay assignments for the others. But there's one that still goes there. One of the seven, not one of the 57, one of the seven. Even after this came out.

He's still going there right now. Wow. Wow. And so all of the seven, she alleged that they raped her. Yeah. And then snorted ketamine off her body, drank alcohol, weed, put that, like feeding it to her, all those things. And then one of, I believe the seven like rapists had a statement come out from his attorney basically saying, I stopped by after that occurred. But I did not see it and I did not participate in it.

But I stopped by and I knew about it. But I didn't participate. So basically he should be excluded from that. Well, you didn't report it. You didn't stop it. You didn't say what the fuck. You didn't help her. She didn't wake up to a glass of water and a fuzzy blanket.

Like you did nothing. by virtue, you are part of the problem. You're guilty by association, if nothing more. Why did you stop by? Why did you stop by? You knew about it and you stopped by for what? To participate. I do not think it is wild to me that these boys would be allowed to get away with something

so heinous like this. And the school deems that it is appropriate for them to write essays. Because they said that they were promising young men. They had futures ahead of them. This one- But that was a choice. What about her future? What about her promising future?

What about her mental health? What about her? But it doesn't matter. Because they had promising futures. But I don't think that this punishment matches the crime. Outside of these boys needing to be expelled from the school, they should have faced criminal prosecution for this. Sex offender.

I mean, fuck the being expelled. Sex offenders. Correct. Because imagine what else they had done that had never come out. What do you feel like from your perspective, just as a woman, but then also as a parent, what do you feel like would have been fair for the school's response to be? They needed to have a criminal investigation full blown. They needed to be expelled indefinitely.

And they needed to be at the bare minimum. They should go to prison. But bare minimum, they need to be. on a sex offender registry, a sex offender registry? Because you are a sex offender. Do you think that there is foul play with the DA and them declining to charge these boys? Do you feel like there was any type of like inside connection? Oh, for sure.

There had to have been. I mean, Cornell is an Ivy League school. So you think that they're- Well-connected people. And then the four admins to my knowledge that had responsibility in the essays and whatever were four men. and I just feel like the shit's not adding up. And then also for them to have 1,200 active cases from 2018 to 2024.

That's telling me, you want to sweep as many of these under the rug because somebody is benefiting from Cornell's programs. Somebody is well connected. I mean, we're talking about police officers, higher ups in Korea. These are big people. And one would assume, I feel like it's safe to assume that if you go to an Ivy League school, you're probably going to have your building really. really lifelong quality connections with people. I don't know how they're going to get through this. And the new safety and wellness, whoever it is, put out a statement saying that they take

things seriously and that they, you know, they handled it. They conducted their stuff appropriately and that they should be fine. Well, so I read something somewhere, I believe it was yesterday that I brought. believe the DA was removed from this case and somebody else was put in. Good. I don't know about statute of limitations. I don't know like what that looks like. Is it expired?

Like are they able to still move forward and possibly formally prosecute? I feel like a civil suit, this girl having to face a civil suit is insane. And I feel like it's very common for college campuses to not criminally investigate or they're not be taken out. criminal charges not be taken out and it always ends up in civil court. I think that's fucked up. It's fucked up because it's a case like this that's like blasting, like blowing other shit wide open to find out that there's 1,200 in the course of six years is the most insane. Like it's obviously a huge issue.

But we can't be naive enough to think that this is the only college. I think it's all college campuses, which is even more concerning. because if you scroll because of this, it's, oh, one in four women in your lifetime. Generally, one in four women that you come across has been sexually assaulted at some point in their life. I think those numbers are much higher. I'm going to go ahead and argue that it's based off of reporting. And that's what me and I talked about.

It's based off reporting. So if you're telling me that one in 17 men has sexually assaulted a woman, I actually think it's much higher because one and four, in my opinion, is probably closer to two or three out of four. It's my opinion. And one out of 17, I'm going to argue, is probably 10 or more out of 17. Have sexually assaulted, coerced, raped any of those things? Because we can't forget that if these men, seven of them sexually assaulted her and raped her and did all of these things, how many women did they coerce while they were inebriated? You think that this was just like the one-off? The one time? No, they've coerced women before. I mean, look at the NFL. All the NFL people who have

been charged for sexual assault, rape, things like that. And it just- Sean Watson. I think Ben Rathesberger. Ben Rathesberger, what's the one,

the brothers, Diggs, Stefan Diggs and Trayvon Diggs. Yeah. They've been accused of things. It's just, we'll pay them off, we'll settle.

It's rampant. Keep it under the, why? Why are we not immediately? I don't give a fuck how promising this person's future was. Her future was

just as promise. saying, why are we protecting him over her? But I think the bigger issue is, is that we, we have not perpetuated a society that makes women feel comfortable to be able to report these things and be believed. Everything that I keep saying is like, oh, well, what if these are false allegations? Or like, what if her text messages come out and it's, they were falsely accused or it looks worse than it actually was? And it's like, no, because look at our president, look at other people who are convicted

of these crimes and it did not ruin their life. I think it's also wild that the student paper named the accused men when the school wouldn't do it. Like why I understand like a student ran paper, but like where's the responsibility on the school for for them to do that? Her lawsuit is against the school, some other entities and all seven. And I think some more, like it's more than just that. But the school would have, I would have.

I would have. Imagine people on campus knew about this. Something had to have happened a little bit locally as far as the newspaper goes. Like you're saying, the school was better off. But I guess if they expelled them, they wouldn't get the tuition money. I mean, that's true. But. And they risked it getting. But with as many suit or as many cases that have been filed, you're saying regarding Cornell and sexual assault, at what point, like you've got to start somewhere. The school has to start somewhere. Why is this continued to be allowed? like happen. Why is it continuing to happen? Because they're not doing anything. They're pushing it under the rug. But why? Because they're not going to get the tuition money if they do something about it. Do you feel like fraternities should still exist on campuses? I do not. No. I do not. Because this isn't happening as, I mean, to my knowledge, it's not happening at sororities. No, it's probably happening to sororities. Yeah. Why? If I had to guess. Men are, the bar for men is in hell as it on a regular fucking day. So now you're going to throw a fucking a bunch of frat bros together in one house and you're

going to think that's okay. They protect each other. They egg each other on. They look the other way. They are, they cover for each other. I do not believe that fraternities should exist on campus, but at this point, even though I was in a sorority, I really don't think those should exist on campus either. They do definitely create, I think I could go 50-50 on the sorority. I don't know too much about them. I know that they can create like a sisterhood and a bond and you become best friends with these people, right? And like lifetime connections and you can also do that through clubs. You can. But I do think that they kind of create an unhealthy environment for those groups because it's like us against them or like it's clicky. It just kind of perpetuates that.

But for men, men can't handle stuff like that. I mean, they're probably all jerking off around a biscuit. We were watching a video of that last night. didn't know that was the fucking thing. Did they practice with the biscuit and then go do this to girls? Likely. I mean, if I had to guess. Disgusting. And I mean, the amount of like hazing and stuff that happens, I just don't know.

Just ban them all at this point. Yes. That's how I feel. It should just all be banned. I mean, it's not going to solve the entire problem, but like it's the frat bros egging each other on. It's disgusting. So you have a son that will soon.

be headed to college. What would you tell your son now hearing about this? What would you tell your son? And if you had a daughter that was going to college, what would you tell her? First of all, Elliot did an entire rape and sexual assault presentation and presented it to all the kids. I saw his TikTok. I was so proud of him. Yeah.

And after that TikTok, he filmed it. He sent it to me. And then afterwards, we did the sit down in the living room. And my kids are still really young, so their attention span is short. But it's like the more you talk about it in short periods, I think it'll start to sink in. I don't necessarily have to explain anything to Elliot now because he's used to me talking about this. I mean, anytime I've had the opportunity to talk to him and Lincoln about it, I always have. So I don't necessarily think I have to like give him advice.

He knows. Elliot is a better human than all of us. My fear for my younger kids is not necessarily that they'll do something, but I'm afraid that bros being bros, they'll look the other way while someone else does it. that is scary to me. And so I want to keep having those open conversations for Valley. I genuinely don't know, but I do remember when I first had her and I'm sitting in the NICU with her by myself. One of the first thoughts after she came out of my body and I visited her in the NICU was how do I

prevent something from happening to her in a sexual way, meaning sexual assault, molestation, any of that. How do I prevent that? What will I, like, how do I, because you think of it differently with boys. You still have those thoughts, but you think of it differently. how you're going to handle it. But with my daughter now, I'm not, I've never had a girl. I don't, what am I going to do?

I don't know. What type of conversations are you having with your kids? Like, what does that look like? I mean, Creed knows. When he gets home from school and stuff and he wants to hug Valley, you know how you need to ask her. Same for Lux. If Valley does not give you a hug and you want to hug her, you need to ask her.

Mm-hmm. And what I do love about Rio's preschool program, the teacher he had last year, it was when you come pick up from school. and she did it for all the toddlers, right? Ask if you can give a hug first. Okay, if you want to say bye to your friends, you have to ask first. And I appreciated that too because now I can make sure that it's happening at school, but it's also happening at home.

I just, I don't know. I feel like you have to start teaching them young. And I think that the conversations become less awkward when you start young too. Yes. Because you have to explain when I tell Creed, Creed knew when Elliot started his presentation and said, do you know what consent is? Creed was like, I know what it is. And he said he was so excited to know what it was.

He was like, it's if you want to touch someone, you have to ask them. And we were like, great. And we're glad you know. Yeah. And then here goes Lux. I don't ever want to touch a girl. Ew. But do you feel like that that should be started at home and at school as young as preschool?

Yep. I agree. Like I had no issues with the teacher telling Rio. Rio is about to be four. So two to three, he was already. learning at school and at home, you have to ask to touch somebody. Because if they're not learning young and they start creating habits, it's really hard to break those habits and starting to teach them when they're in middle school and they're

starting sex ed, that's too late. I agree. It's entirely too late. But also another conversation I always have with my kids. And I'll randomly bring it up. I don't need to be prompted. But it's like, hey, you remember you don't show anybody your private parts, right? And they don't show you yours.

And periodically I check in with them. Has anyone touched you lately that you didn't feel comfortable with? Oh, don't forget. You don't touch other people in their private parts, specifically around bath time and shower time at my house because it is so chaotic at night. And my kids either want to take a bath or a shower. They usually want to shower in my bathroom. Hey, if your brother or sisters in there, remember, you don't touch their private parts and they don't touch yours. Like right.

I mean, Ike will tell you that's a regular conversation because I think kids are curious by nature. Yeah. And so, hey, don't forget, we don't touch your, you know, we don't show each other your penis or your butts and we're not going to touch Valley and you have to ask. And it's that simple. You don't have to make it weird. I just think that if we were having more conversations with our children, young, stuff like this could be prevented. Yeah. If alcohol is involved, it's an immediate no.

One of the kids, when Elliot was doing his presentation, he said about, molestation because I think that's by a family member. It's that I didn't, I actually didn't even know that. I didn't know why it was like, molested is by a family member, like that word specifically. I don't know. I don't know. But then the conversation came up during his presentation. And one of the kids, I can't remember, which, it was either Lux or Creed and was like, does that mean that the doctor, the doctor wasn't supposed to touch me?

Because they got, they got physical. Oh, yeah. that's interesting that you bring that up because that was like a weird conversation for me to have with Jackson because I did not want to say like it's okay for your doctor to do that to make it normalized in the event that like something went too far. You know what I mean? So it's like what is the appropriate conversation to have with a kid knowing that, you know, they have to check their balls? So the provider that we go to and we've been. been there since we moved to Delaware.

Elliot was, I think, four when we moved there. The same practice, the provider always said around the physical time, they get in their gown and she'll say, mom's in the room, I do have to check your private parts. That's what Jackson's doctor says.

And she says, you know, mom's in the room or dad's in the room. It's typically me. I do have to check, but it's a really quick check. You know, mom's here, but I have to do this for your health. And I think at one of the appointments recently she said, you know, it's not okay if someone touches you outside of this room like this. But let me just check and then we're done. And so that also, I feel

like that with the doctor saying it in front of me also helps. But I think that sexual assault, I don't know this for sure. It's just my assumption that sexual assault probably happens more in families who don't talk about it at all. I would agree. This was the piece. I don't know if you saw it or not. But this was Sunny. and it was from TMZ, and it says the view host, Sunny, goes to bat for accused Cornell fratbrose. I have the statement that Jane Doe wrote at that time. Just give it to us in the sentence, we're not a lot of time. It's several pages long.

I know, but... It's nine pages long, and I will say that under current New York State law, voluntary intoxication or drug use, and she voluntarily drank a lot. She voluntarily took snorted ketamine off of one of the boys' body parts. Even though she was highly intoxicated when she arrived at the frat house. She was highly intoxicated but had made plans to meet one of the young men. She allowed other boys and consented to other boys snorting ketamine off of her body. And under New York law, voluntary intoxication or drug use that merely impairs judgment

does not legally constitute an inability to consent to sexual activity, right? So that means if you voluntarily ingest drugs, you voluntarily take alcohol, you can agree to have threesomes, which in her statement she agreed to have two separate threesomes. One boy did walk in, one young man did walk in and say, everybody out. So there was one person that did that. And according to her statement, three of the young men, did not touch her. And so I say all that, I think I wonder something is, but I say all that to say the pictures of these young men who have not been charged, not been adjudicated, are being

plastered all over the internet. I think people are reporting this story inaccurately. I think they're reporting it unfairly. And while this is something that we have to take very seriously, there is no way, according to her statement in 2024, that any prosecutor would have brought. Yeah, but she was intoxicated. How did she? Under New York law, again, under New York law, voluntary intoxication. If you voluntarily drink 10 beers and you voluntarily ingest ketamine, but that intoxication. That doesn't have anything to do with the fact that the guys attacked her, whether she's drunk or not. No, no. According to her statement, she says she did, they did not attack her. Her statement in 2024, she, she consented to the sexual activity.

She consented to it according to her own statement in 2024. This is pissing me off. This is pissing me off. You cannot. People drink willingly all the time and get behind a wheel. That's not okay. But you're saying it's okay for someone to voluntarily drink, agree to sleep with two men. And they send it in a group chat for 57 people.

but it's okay. Literally no. If that was my daughter, you raped my daughter because she could not make those decisions herself. People make horrible decisions when they're drunk all the fucking time. I don't even care if she consented to two. She didn't because she was intoxicated. At the point that you are intoxicated and it can cloud your judgment and whatever,

she did not agree to it. Would she have made that decision sober? I don't think so. Likely not. And if she agreed to two separate threesome, she agreed to two separate threesome. Okay. Then why were there seven? Why were there men coming in and out of the room? Why were you advert? If she agreed to two separate threesomes and then you put it in a group chat, free pussy upstairs, because she's intoxicated, because you didn't think that she would know, because you didn't care

about her well-being, you raped her. She was raped. Think about the intent, right? If the two people that she had a threesome with because she consented under New York law, she did not consent for that to be advertised to 57 people. She did not consent for her to wake up with bruises. She did not consent to the multiple other fucking men. If she agreed to two separate threesome, she agreed to two separate threesomes. But even that is questionable because of her state of mind. What the fuck's wrong with New York for that to be a law? My own partner wouldn't have sex with me if I was that intoxicated. He's not going to continue to feed me ketamine and alcohol and weed and all the things. Correct. Like what the fuck? But from the reports,

it said that she showed up to that frat house already intoxicated. And then they continued. So did she, to me, she did not consent. Even if she said yes, she did not in her right state of mind consent. I agree. But the problem that she's going to face now is because of that New York law. Exactly. But whoever, who was that woman talking?

Sunny on the people were going to bat for Jane Doe and I'm going to go to bat for Jane Doe because I don't give a fuck if she said yes, she was not sober. And I also don't give a fuck about the New York State law. No. because that is so ass fucking backwards. Okay. So then it doesn't matter if someone gets killed when someone gets behind the wheel because they voluntarily drink. It's a free for all. Correct.

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