Coffee Convos with Kail Lowry and Lindsie Chrisley - Ferret & Parrot: Coffee Convos Mascots

Episode Date: November 20, 2025

Kail and Lindsie dive into the depths of internet drama, from the $4,000 "Hair by Chrissy" debacle to the wild world of boy aquarium side of TikTok. Plus, how a DoorDash driver decided it was smart to film a passed out customer, and Kristen reads a very nice email from PETA. A story about a teacher mocking a special-needs student leaves us in disbelief, and a listener asks if anyone expects their man to pay for their friend group's food and drinks when they go out? Unsurprisingly, today's Foul Play gives us the worst feeling in our lady parts.Thank you to our sponsors!Booking.com: Head over to Booking.com and start your listing today!Function Health: Visit www.functionhealth.com/COFFEE or use gift code COFFEE100 at sign-up to own your health.Progressive: Visit Progressive.com to learn more!Revolve: Shop at REVOLVE.com/COFFEE and use code COFFEE for 15% off your first order.SKIMS: Check out our favorite pajamas at https://www.skims.com/See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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kitty cat good morning kitty cat six seven i do not i do not understand the 6-7 thing. It's so funny. I was playing bingo the other night. And this grandma was telling me, she was like, what 6-7? I tried to say it to my grandson. And he was like, no. Because have you heard this song? No, I don't even know what this is. So 6-7 came from a song by Scrilla. The problem is that Scrilla lives like outside of Kensington Beach, which is like fentanyl Central, right? Like he's not a great example. The song itself is terrible. Um, good for him for making money on it. I will never knock someone that is busting their ass trying. You know what I mean? But I just say six, seven and everything to my

kids is six seven, literally everything. I don't understand what it means. It doesn't mean anything. So you just walk around six seven? It's called doot do by doot dupe parentheses six seven by Scrilla. That's literally it. That is really the extent of six seven. But if you remember, before there was six seven there was this and this is the real six seven i can get behind this you know so really we are the originators of six seven okay we're just out here vibing but somebody told me that like six seven was dead no i don't think so and by somebody it was jackson jackson said it was dead yeah he was like no one needs to say six seven to me because it like literally means nothing and it gets on my nerves.

So my nerves. Can I tell you about yesterday? Because have you ever had a day that you wake up and you're like, oh, this is going to be like a good one? And then you start, you know, going along and everything just goes to hell like by 8 a.m. Oh, for sure. I've had those mornings. Okay.

So that was definitely my Monday morning. Jackson and I went to the Falcon. Panthers game on Sunday. We left the house, did not, we left the house at 8 a.m., went to church, went to the game, and did not get home until 7.30 p.m. So want to talk about like my feet barking by the time that I got home. They're still in pain. Wake up, I have my little clear bag for the game. So all of my stuff's in there. I bring it into the house thinking I'm going to be a professional organizer. Leave the house. We go to go to Chick-fil-A and I have no wallet. So I'm like,

you're actually getting school breakfast this morning. And he was like, okay, not really how I wanted to start my day. I beep off along, go to Pilates, pull out of the Pilates parking lot. And by 10 a.m. sharp, I was getting an emergency call from the school that Jackson had flipped his chair upside down and backwards and had to have stitches in his upper lip. Solid. Solid morning. Lindsay was texting me off the charts about it. And I was like, oh, something really was just shit hit the fan.

But I'd definitely like that. It hit the fan yesterday. Then I was like, oh, God, how am I going to get my kid? Because they asked for an ID at the school. Well, I had taken a picture of my ID so that I can save it on my phone because this is not the first time I've ever forgotten my wallet. So they did accept that, but then I had to call Will to meet us at urgent care because he had a copy of the insurance card. So he meets us as an urgent care.

And let me just tell you, a boy with his dad, like, just don't ever take a boy with his dad to do anything medical. No, no, literally no. Literally, literally won't. Because they want them to be so brave and they forget that they're 37 fucking years old. It's actually infuriating. there was one time I might have told the story similar similar similar

go to the orthodontist with one of the kids and their father and child starts like freaking out he's like nervous because he doesn't nothing's going to hurt

but he doesn't know what to expect so he gets all inside his own head he's freaking out dad suddenly you know what stop this we don't have to do this anymore like I don't know why we're doing this

this is not necessary why we're here and like we're in the moment element? This is necessary. That's why we're here. Why? You're like, the straight teeth are what's necessary and the behavior is what's not. I'm just like, oh my God. Okay, so I have never actually, yeah, I've had stitches from like the dermatologist before. But like as a kid, I never had stitches. I wasn't like accident from. First time he's ever had stitches and lytocaine straight to the lip. And when they put that needle in, The blood, I guess it, like, kind of like fills it up. And the blood just went, whew, I was like, nope, nope.

And then Will's just sitting there again in basketball shorts. What? Sitting there the same way he was sitting there when I gave birth. And I was like, you know what? Some things never fucking change. No, truly. I feel like men never really grow up. You know what I mean?

Wait, I have to ask you, are you trying the no mascara situation as well? No, you just can't see that I have it. because the lighting sucks. Well, I'm trying the no mascara situation because allergies here have been absolutely atrocious and I don't wish it on my worst enemy. In case, Kristen was wondering, Lindsay and I have been plotting to take the boys to an NBA game. So I don't, what is this for to hang up? Yeah, it's like a hangar.

Yeah, well, it was like in. I caught a ball strangling me. Kristen, we're trying to go, no, not an ATL. We're trying to, Lindsay said she would come to Philly for the 76ers versus Charlotte so we could watch Lamello ball play. And we want to take Jackson and Lincoln. That would be so fun. I think our boys would have such a good time. Jackson likes to go to every sporting event that he possibly can go to.

I also like to go to every sport. I don't care if they're not even my team. Like, I just want to go for the vibes. I am taking my sister to a flyers game this weekend because she wants to go to the Boy Aquarium. And when she said, when someone tells me they want to go to the Boy Aquarium, we're going to the Boy Aquarium. And I'm not even a hockey fan.

I just go for the vibes. Like, I'm a hockey fan. What are the vibes that you like? Hockey games are unmatched. I get it. You love football. You know, we could get behind, you know, a soccer game for the vibes. But a hockey game, like.

I could get behind the fights. I could get behind the humping for stretches. I could get behind the twerking on the ice just to rotate the hips. Like, I could get behind all of it. Why is any of that going on? Lindsay, you have to be there. I mean, I'm down to go. I love taking him to like every sporting event because he gets so excited. But I'm really not like the type of girly that likes to be around a lot of people. The thing about hockey games is that the tickets are so much cheaper than any other sporting event. So Kristen gets club like a box where the server comes and we sit down and we're not it was a game changer for me.

I literally looked at Kristen and I said, you created a monster because I will never do another sporting event, not this way, because your kids can be contained in a box. What is the boy aquarium? A boy aquarium is ice hockey because they're behind the glass. I thought you were talking about going to like an aquarium. that had tanks. The Boy Aquarium is ice hockey. Is that something that like regular normal people with brains, no, because I've never heard of that. Yeah. Like if you're on the Boy Aquarium side of TikTok, you'll learn very quick. Actually, let me pull up a video. I'll send it to you right now

because are you attracted to hockey players? No, I'm not. I'm not attracted to anyone, to be honest. Everyone gives me the ick. Everyone's going to say you're asexual now. Well, probably. why are they like i just know and they're not my type in any way i just know they're good in bed like i know they're good in bed i know that they could they're going to get down they're putting it they're laying that pipe okay and i just know it pale i have heard that hockey players have the most horrible teeth that's fine i watched i watched lindsay i watched an ice hockey fight where the player lost his teeth, okay? I watched.

They were flying around. Like, Kristen and I, what's fake? The teeth are fake? The teeth. Like, most players have fake teeth because they get knocked out. Most hockey teams have, like, a cosmetic dentist on staff. As they should, but I don't give a fuck what your mouth looks like if my eyes are closed. I know you can lay the pipe.

No, I need to see, like, the entire competitive. infection. No, you're going. We're going. We are going. Okay. You, I don't care if we, does Atlanta have a ice hockey team? Like, should we try to? No, we used to. It used to be called like the Atlanta Thrashers, I think. And people used to go when I was in high school. It was like the it thing to do. And my parents never let me go. Maybe it's because they knew that they could lay the pipe. Listen, all I'll say is, NHL players need to get paid more. They get paid. They get paid the least out of all the sports and they have the hardest sport to play. And I mean, getting their teeth knocked out. Yeah, but it's so fun. I'm there for the vise all day. That is one of my

biggest fears of my entire life is losing my teeth. Same. I've had dreams where I'm like losing my teeth and like I got my teeth done in California. Do you know what it would be like if I lost one of my teeth and I had to go to California? Like I'd have to drop everything for several days to go fix my tooth. I couldn't just make an appointment here in Dover. Wait, I'm pretty sure that I saw, a TikToker. Is it Alex Earle? Yeah, probably. I'm pretty sure that she has veneers and like lost one. I would love to get veneers, but the thoughts of like something being on top of my teeth, I just don't know if like my sensory issues would allow for me to be able to do that. But also the thoughts of losing one and have to walk around with it like looking like that.

I have veneers, knock on wood. I've never, nothing has ever. come off. And I don't, I understand what you're saying about like the thing on top of your tooth. But I have the ones where you don't shave your tooth down. So like you don't even feel something on top of your tooth. Does that make sense? Like you don't regret it? No. You don't. No. I regret not even whiter. Are yours the no prep ones? Yeah. See, that's what that's what I want to get. But I just don't know, like, if it feels like any sense of, like, thickness and I've, like, how do you clean the teeth on the bottom? You can't, they clean them before they put them on. And then because they have, like, the glue or the cement or whatever, they're sealed.

So in theory, if you go to the right dentist, you should not ever have to worry about having to clean under them because they are sealed, shut, clothes. It's sort of like when you get a cavity filled, that should in theory, if they're cleaned out properly, and done correctly, you should not get more cavities underneath. With that being said, I know, I have heard horror stories of people not having their veneers done properly, and then they're getting, they have to have them removed to shave down their tooth. So you have to vet your cosmetic dentist. The holidays can take a lot out of you, late nights, travel, endless to-do list. You might push through, but your body feels a little bit of all of it.

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Visit www.functionhealth.com slash coffee or use gift code coffee 100 at sign up to own your health. Okay. I do have to ask you a question. Speaking of Facebook, how do we feel about the people that have a joint Facebook. No. I'm sorry, but no. I'm so sorry. Like, guaranteed we have listeners that share Facebook, okay? And I wish that I could support it, but it's giving toxicity. It's giving, can't trust my partner to have their own Facebook. So we have to have a joint one. Like, what is the purpose of the joint Facebook exactly? I mean, I will say, based off some past things that

I've been through that if it wasn't for the way that it looks, I probably would do it. Like, if I was not going to be judged, first of all, I don't even have anybody to share Facebook with, but I'm just saying in a hypothetical situation. I might do it because then you both have access to like all the DMs and, you know, all the things. Okay. Might give you like a little bit of peace of mind if you've ever been through some shit that would involve social media. Right. but it's just like the way that it looks to the outside world and I know that we can't live in this world that we care about what everybody else thinks but like if I'm judging myself I know other people would be judging me okay well I don't want to I would judge you like I know you

would no doubt in my mind like you would unfriend me on there you would be like what the fuck I signed up to be friends with her I didn't sign up to be friends with him so already know we need to talk about something that everyone keeps tagging us in. What is it? Hair by Krispy. Oh, yeah. I've actually definitely gone down the rabbit hole of the video. I don't know how I got on that side of TikTok.

I don't know if it's because I watched the, like, one video of the girl not famous. And then it, like, became a part of my algorithm. And so all the videos keep coming up. I will just say $4,000 for hair seems like a lot of money. like a lot of money um i have a problem with not the money okay because people can spend their money however they want on whatever they want the money is not the problem for me i do i do think that 4 000 is a little excessive like we've both had hair extensions before and that does seem a little excessive for me my problem is there are several problems i have so one she used to be

called hair by crispy because she was frying everybody's hair off somehow between COVID time and now, she had completely remarketed and rebranded herself to the point that people are willing to spend $4,000 on their hair. So I don't know what, how that happened. My biggest problem is that people are booking with her because of like the notoriety she has on social media. They're getting to her salon and she's not the one doing their hair. That is what bothers me because I know if I book with Taylor, I'm booking for it.

doing your hair. Yes. And I'll go to any girl in her salon because they're all good. She's not hiring and training girls that are not good. So I know that if she put me with somebody else, that's fine. But she's also giving me a heads up. Hey, I can't do your hair, but so and so can. Oh, Bella can do your hair. Great. Thank you. Like, thank you for the heads up. I'm not paying $4,000 for a service for another hairstylist to do my hair and your name is on it. Like, that's not how this should work, right? Like, Well, I watched a video of an attorney that was like dissecting what was going on because a lot of people had questions like, okay, was there any type of like disclaimers or anything like that? Could you legally go after her for her not being the one to do your hair, but you're being charged? And the attorney said that the way that she might be able to get around that is that technically it is her hair.

because it is her brand of extensions. Yeah, hair, but, but it's misleading. It is. It is. It's always out of advisement to turn around and say, book hair with Chrissy. Yes, you're getting hair by Chrissy, but you're not being specific. People are booking because they think that you are doing their hair, not that it's just the extent. And then another like group of stylists or salon or whatever said that she stole whatever technique and hair situation with the extension.

She stole it from them. So it's not even really like she stole allegedly. Let me speak allegedly. Allegedly. Crispy and I'm calling her Krispy because I have no respect for her. Stole this like technique or whatever from other stylists and then put her name on it. Like I don't know if it was patented. If it was whatever the case may be, you are fraudulent all the way.

I don't give a fuck legally speaking. Like if you're taking someone else's ideas and you're putting your name on it and marketing it this way as if you came up with it, like you're fraud. I don't like that either. I do feel like people are going to that salon because they want the experience because she has basically built a brand around using influencers and like these dramatic hair changes. The problem that I have with that is now you are making these girls believe that they're going to come there and they're going to get that hair and they're going to get that experience and they're not getting that experience. And for the people who are paying those high prices, for the hair that are just like the normal people going in there that, you know, aren't influencers. They're not TikTokers. They're also having to navigate around all of these people creating content as well. So like, is that not an aggravating experience when there's TikTokers in their Instagram girls and they're making all of this content? They're getting all of Chrissy's time. And then these girls who are paying like their hard earned money

I don't know if she makes the influencer girls like pay or not. Well, that's when you started saying that, that was my next thought was some of the girls that that I've seen the reviews about Krisby not touching their hair. They don't look like full-time influencers. So they're not just. And let me not say just because making content can be very, very challenging. These are young girls that are saving their money or whatever the case may be, whether it's on social. media or they have like regular jobs, traditional jobs. I'm trying to be sensitive. $4,000 is a lot. That's like that is a full investment and you're taking advantage of these

young girls who think that they're going to get an experience by you. You deserve to go to hell. I also didn't like after the girl came out and did just an honest review based off of her personal experience. I didn't like the idea that it very much felt like mean girls bullying on how she responded. And why now are videos being posted of this girl not famous on Chrissy's like hair page or I don't know if she uses it for personal or just hair, but you know, it's being posted. And the girl said that she never signed any consent for that to be posted on social media. So I don't know if that's true or if it's not, but allegedly she had requested for it to be removed because she didn't, didn't approve for it to be posted. The avatar photo of Chrissy was changed

of her doing hair and sticking her tongue out. T-shirts made about, you know, $4,000 hair. And it's like, what are we doing? Like, you're a grown person in your 40s and this girl was on TikTok just giving her review. And she is within her right mind to give her review. I agree. I would be curious to see if Chrissy, because I actually didn't go to her page. I want to go to it now. Hair by. I wonder, Chrissy. I wonder if she's lost any followers. The last time I looked, I think she had 1.5 million followers. How many? 1.5 million. She has 3.5 million now. wait what did I look at the wrong damn page 3.5 million that's a lot to be a hair person

I want to know if she's lost any fellow I followed oh god what the hell was her name I followed another girl um she didn't really do her work on there but she was a hairstylist that would do like scenarios that she's um like scenarios of clients and she got really really famous like five million followers and I always loved her work and I would rather go by go to her because it seems like she actually does I'm trying to think hairstylist oh my god what is her name she's so funny she talks about like um I followed her for a long time I don't know where she is but she always did like funny scenarios and it's just like people have a lot of audacity like truly do you think that anything is going to legally come of that situation because I think that possibly something

will. Yeah, I agree. I think that something is going to happen with this. I think that people are going to ban together because you can't just do stuff like that and then get away with it. Like, you just, you can't. And I mean, I might, I might be speaking for more people than I should be speaking for, but I also feel like the extreme hair extensions are like out of date or like outdated. What do you mean? Like, at one point, I feel like it was cool to use hair as like your accessory, right? It's like your main part of your being. And I feel like that was kind of somewhere around like 2017, 2018. And now I feel like we're getting into more of like a natural era. And maybe it's just I'm getting into a natural

era. And I think everybody else is. But I just feel like it's such like an outdated thing. I think it's millennial parents. Like we're kind of like, We're past. Yeah. We're doing more of like simplicity. Also, the times are changing because, I mean, nobody can afford to live right now. So we're not thinking about hair extensions. At least, I mean, I'm glad I was talked out of it. I'll say that. I'm so glad that I was able to get other people on board to talk you out of it. Because like, I just got my hair done on Sunday and I didn't get a trim this time because I was like, I don't, I really want to grow my hair out. But like, I really don't. My hair will be long. by summertime, I'm not really worried about it. So it's an expense that I don't need. It's maintenance and appointment that I don't necessarily have time for. And so it worked out for me. But I do feel bad for the young girls that are being taken advantage of. If I could gather them all up and like send them to Taylor, I would because Taylor actually appreciates her clients

and doesn't overcharge. I just feel like it's a situation to where there's probably going to be way more to come of this than what we've even, I feel like it's like a surface level right now. And I feel like the more people that like latch on to it, the more that's going to come of that situation. No doubt. You had like super famous people commenting on it. Were they agreeing, disagreeing? What were they saying? I think the majority of the people were, were agreeing with the not famous girl. Oh. Which I was in complete agreement with the not famous girl too. Coffee Convo's podcast is brought to you by Progressive Insurance. Do you ever find yourself playing the budgeting game?

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stuck her, like the door was open. Let me just break this down for you. At the point that if I show up to someone's house and I don't know them and the door is open and I like, see that they're asleep. I don't give a fuck what they're doing, jerking off, butt ass naked, whatever. The door is wide open. I'm actually concerned and I'm calling the police. I'm not going to post a video of it. So this woman in upstate New York, she's a door dash driver, this went viral on TikTok and she's trying to defend herself and she's like, I'm a victim, blah, blah, blah, blah, so she shows the man with his pants and underwear around his ankles and he's passed out. and she was arrested for this and faces up to eight years in prison if convicted of two felonies.

She had been the one to contact the cops claiming she had been deliberately lured by the man, even though he appeared to be passed out in his own home. The customer requested that my order be left at their front door. But when I arrived to their house, their front door was wide open and they were within eyesight of the front door laying on the couch indecently exposed to me. So she's trying to say. Yeah, I see what she's trying to say. However, the ring camera footage appears to show Henderson let herself into the man's house and police have said there's no indication she was encouraged to go in, let alone film it.

Her own video indicates that the male was incapacitated and unconscious on his couch due to alcohol consumption and the DoorDash driver subsequently posted the video on social media where it drew significant attention. Listen, I could see how someone would be drunk or high and then order on DoorDash and then fall asleep. That doesn't mean totally see that too. That that story adds up. What she's saying kind of adds up a little bit too. But if you're saying that there was a ring camera that said something opposite, like the footage said something opposite, then she's obviously just saying whatever to benefit herself. Why would you take a video of a man passed out in his house with his

pants around his ankles. Why wouldn't you call the police? Well, I think she did contact police, but to make it seem like, people are so stupid that I just like, I don't understand. First of all, you cannot commit a crime these days and think that you're going to get away with it. Like, you just can't. The technology, the eyewitnesses, the ring fucking cameras. How do you, like, this is so dumb to me that you thought that you were going to, what did you think you were going to do for, like, make it make sense. Why would you contact? Why would you contact? the police but then post the video that you're contacting the police about on

TikTok. No, she posted the man his body. Like it was naked on TikTok? Mm-hmm. Oh, no. No, that's a felony. Like, essentially breaking and entering if she let herself in, if your door is even open,

I'm not, I'm not even putting the food inside even if your door is open. I'm putting it on your step. So same. And also, if I saw if I was door dashing and I walked up to somebody's front door and I saw a possibly drunk, naked man with his pants around his damn ankles, I'm trying to get out of there fast. Like, I am not trying to get my phone out to start taking videos of this person. No, absolutely not.

But she's on TikTok trying to defend herself and people are upset as they should be. That's insane. Wait, I need to ask Kristen, why are you telling us that you need to? to read an email from PETA. Did PETA email us? Peta did email y'all. So I'm here to bring it to you. What? Wait. Why? I'm going to read it. Hi, Kail and Lindsay. We caught your episode of coffee convos. I wanted to thank you for speaking up for hermit crabs, lobsters, octopuses, and other animals, all unique individuals who can experience pain, fear, and joy like us. And you're correct. Hermit crabs who are sold as pets are stolen from their coastal homes,

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Yay, we love Pita. Thank you, Pita. We love Pita. So that's so funny that they emailed us because I was scrolling as I do. And the same girl that I told you about, Janie, who posts about the hermit crabs, she literally, I'm scrolling this morning and I come across her video and it literally says, the hermit crab you got from the beach should have lived 50 years. And she's not wrong.

I'm going to, I'll send it to you in the group, too. I understand that, I think, here's my theory on it. I think that people don't think that, like, little creatures like that can experience the same sort of feelings that we do because we're human. And so you look at a crab and you're like, they don't know what happiness is. I think that's why they're just sort of like, nobody cares about them. But it's so sad when you really, like, learn about them, you're like, oh, shit. Like, to me, I can't imagine a world where, like, I've seen octopus's open jar. Like, I can't, I can't, I can't.

Oh, listen, after the conversation that we had, the amount of videos that I have watched of octopus or octop-is, is it octopi? I think it's octopi. Octopi are opening these jars. And it's like, oh, wow. Like, their brain is working with more cylinders than mine. I'm going to send you this video of Janie. It literally says the hermit crab you got as a kid should have lived 50 years.

But like how are they keeping them? How is this girl keeping them alive? Like she's properly putting them in habitats that are conducive to a long life? No, that's how they would live in the wild. Like they don't die in a week or two weeks in the wild. In the wild, in their regular environments with sand and being able to mowl. and eat a proper diet like that's how they're living so you're taking them out of an environment with like humidity and climate control and sand and salt water fresh water all the things and

you're putting them in a cage with nothing but a couple rocks and you're saying oh this is cute from the beach for two weeks like that's so sad it is so sad like why are places like what you were saying if you go to like one of these like beach places that have them where you can purchase them and then they have like the little plastic containers under like where you can purchase why are they allowed to do that and don't get in trouble i would i would love to know the same like how how is that legal like if it's not humane then why are they allowed to do it but then i guess you have to start thinking about like pet stores and stuff like i personally don't feel like it's humane to see four and five puppies in, like, one little cage, like behind a glass thing.

I don't think that's humane. Have you ever seen, like, have you ever gone into like a pet smart or something and you see, I had never seen it in person. I've only seen it on social media where they'll, like, ferrets or hamsters or guinea pigs, they have psychosis inside of those little plastic containers. They have psychosis. Yeah, basically, like, they, like, they, like, like run back and forth and they're like all, like they look like they're cracked out.

Oh my God. That's created because they are in these like little glass containers in places like pet smart and stuff. I mean, I'm not going to lie. Like having a ferret would be pretty cool. You know what? Like rolly balls, but like not in a cage, you know? Yeah, totally.

Like Kristen texted me and was like, how much trouble would I get in if I hypothetically got you a bird? That bird, if she gets me a bird, like first of all, I've always wanted one. And second, that fucking bird would never go in, like, probably just for bed. Like, I would literally keep that bird out everywhere all the time. Like, I would want the bird to be, like, my little fucking companion. Have you heard that, like, people actually put birds in, like, their will?

Because they live for so long. Yes. Like, Kristen told me that her bird will likely outlive them. And then, like, what do you do? because that bird has, like, built a relationship with you and, like, they know you. Like, what happens and, like, where do they go? I think you typically leave them in a will to, like, like, a chat, like your friend or something like that.

Like, Kristen was like, there's an adoption room at the store where she gets all her bird stuff. And I'm like, well, I would definitely adopt when they usually only, from the research I did about African Gray specifically, because that's what I really would love to have as an African gray. they bond with one maybe two people and then they they really just it's sort of like a lot of the aggressive dog breeds are actually good with families and stuff like that but sometimes they bond to like very specific people birds are the same way like you they burn they bond to like one person um you better hope that whoever you leave that bird to gets along with that

person because they're they're finicky so Back up. Are you getting a bird? Well, Kristen, do you know if they have African grays? I don't know what's currently available in their adoption room because I haven't gone the last couple times that Corey went, but we can find out. Like, you're getting in their baby babies. You can't. I got mine when he was a baby, like a hatchling. He had no, he had no feathers or anything. He was very naky. Um, and then he grows. Yeah, and then it grows and it's so cute. And I love him so much. But then they have like a full room full of like birds that their owners have either died or it's kind of just like any other pet where it doesn't align with the family

anymore and they put it up for adoption. It's sad. So I went to Soraya's house in March. Her bird, Polly loves me and she was like, Kail, this never happens. Like he's not friendly with other people. Like he's just not. This is her bird. Oh my God, it's so cute. And he talks. Like, do they say sentences or they just say words? They can say, he can say sentences. And I have pictures holding him.

Some things, like literally the same songs. Unfortunately, and I'm pretty sure I said this on the podcast, Buddha has cancer. And I have said that I will not get another. Huh? That makes me so sad for you. I will not get another dog because it's very. and Buddha are, and karma was a good dog. Karma just very, very protective to the point where it was like dangerous.

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and I'm like, is it shitting, like, the whole time it's flying around? No, mine does not. Mine, like, will go back to his cage and poop. Oh, I guess I don't have pictures. Oh, he's, like, trained. Yeah. You can, like, train your bird to, like, know where it's going to shit. So, essentially, it's, like, it's litter box.

Yeah. And it just goes back in the cage, takes a shit, and then comes back out. Yes. I don't have a home. Yeah. Oh, my God. Because mine's flighted. Some people clip all their wings.

and then they can't, then they're not flighted, but I kept mine flighted. That is so good. But I have pictures of it, but I held her bird, loved her bird, and. So is that what you're going to get yourself for Christmas? Yeah, maybe. Maybe I will. Maybe that's going to be just like chilling with your bird. You're going to see a board on my shoulder.

If I get on this podcast one day and I just see a bird walking across your chest, that might, you know, that might really, just up the ante like that that might make me really want to do 2026 like I could get behind it like we just have like a new co-host and it's a bird it's a fucking bird the bird is the kitty mascot I get a ferret like could you imagine my house with just a ferret just like strolling through here not a ferret and a parrot for coffee combos podcast mascots a ferret and a parrot uh that would be amazing. Honestly, we're on to something. We are. We are, you know, Kindles and Candles and Ferret and Parrot. Kindle, Candle, Ferret, and Parrots, period. We're on it. Okay, wait, I have to tell you this story because I feel like it's going to piss you off. Oh, my God. People Magazine did a whole

article on it, and it says that it was a teacher that was accused of filming an eight-year-old with a speech impediment, telling them to say anti-gay slurs. This was in New Jersey. It was a special education teacher, and it says that the teacher is accused of having recorded and posted a video online of an eight-year-old student with learning disabilities that made fun of her speech impediment. Now the child's mother is filing a lawsuit. The suit was filed in New Jersey, and it says that this teacher was an ex-special education

teacher. And it says, according to the complaint, which was obtained by people, the girl identified as M.G. And the court filing was at the time an eight-year-old third grader when this teacher instructed her to say, in quotes, four QK. Then it says that the speech impediment made it sound like she said, and I quote, F you gay. Are you there? So, no, I'm not there. I'm, there is so much, like, there is so much wrong with that. And on so many levels. The way that I would fight the teacher and then also sue, I mean, I would be in prison myself. Like, you are taking advantage of a child that has a speech impediment, taking a video of them and ensuring, obstructing them to say slurs. Like, what is wrong? What is wrong with people? Like, what crosses

your mind? And why would that be funny? What crosses your mind to do that to a child? Also, I just want to say, like, why are people out here taking videos of other people's kids? Like, I have a big problem with that. No, that's terrifying. Because especially with AI and all the things that you can do, why are you taking and I'm not talking about like I took a video of Elliot during his play the other night right like they're my he's my child but like I'm not going to do anything with it do you know what I mean and like you can't the one scene you can't really see the other person like you know that there's another student there but you can't tell who it is yeah or like what they look like because they're in costume okay I could maybe see that but like somebody else like if for example creeds in kindergarten he's five years old don't fucking take pictures or videos of my child what like no so with your county do you guys have to sign like a release for there to be any like photos or anything posted like if the teacher has like a class instagram or if the school is using like photos from their teacher do you have to consent to those photos or videos yes but i think that the problem is that

that's teachers, not just teachers, but people in general, they're taking the pictures anyway without consent, but because they're not going on that like school page or something, they sort of get away with it. But that's not to say that they don't take pictures and videos on their phones anyway and still have them. I just don't want anybody taking any pictures or videos of my kid period. No, at all. Especially because people know who we are and I feel like it's scary because they'll take pictures and videos anyway. And that's, I also don't like that at all. Like, that part freaks me out. And I'm not talking about like my co-parent or my ex-in-laws. Like, I don't care about that or like, I guess Jackson's uncles. Like, that doesn't bother me because

that's family. But in a school setting, um, I don't even want other students getting their phone out and taking a video of my kid. No, I agree with you. I wholeheartedly agree with you. Okay, well, let's get into some real life shit from our listeners. This person says on the Facebook group, recently I was chatting with some girlfriends and they made a comment that they think their friend's man should pay if they all three go to dinner or if they are out for drinks. Or if it's a group of girls and one of the men come, they should get everyone's drinks, etc. To me, this is not logical. I would never expect a friend's man to pay for anything of mine and I would never expect my man to pay for my friend's stuff. I mean, sure, there are exceptions.

A friend is down bad or I invited them and we said that we would pay. But otherwise, I think this is ridiculous. Just curious about everyone's opinion on the subject. So Kristen and I and Corey have all gone out. And we just take turns paying. Like sometimes they'll pay. Sometimes I'll pay. But like it's never an expectation in any way, shape, or form.

I would never in a million years expect for, my friend's partner to pay for my stuff. Like if they do it, thank you so much. Like I wasn't, I didn't expect that. But like to expect it, like the audacity of people, what because he's a man, he should pay it? That's like the one time I'll stick up for men. It's like you don't necessarily need to pay for your partner's friends, drinks or meal. Like that is so weird to me. So there are three people that I've dated that we would have been in social settings. together where like I've probably invited everybody that I know and like everybody comes. It's all girls, right? So there's been situations where a lot of times like who I was with

might be the only man in the situation. Two of the three people most likely would pay for my friends. One of the people or one of the persons wouldn't do that because I feel like he would be like, okay, well, I'm going to take care of mine and my girl and it would be weird for me to be paying for another girl's strengths. You know what I mean? Yeah. I think it very much has to do with personality. No, I agree. Like, do I think that it is absolutely necessary for, let's say, um, okay, let's just say I was dating somebody and you came into town and we were like, oh, like, let's go grab drinks and watch football. Like, no, we're going to just probably take turns, like paying and we're not splitting a bill.

Yeah. Okay. Um, would that be the situation with all of my friends? No. No. But I think the expectation is, like the expectation of it is weird. Like, why are we in, especially in this economy, like, why are we expecting anyone to pay for anything? Like, I don't even want to pay for myself right now.

It's so expensive. You step outside. It's 100 bucks. Exactly. If you leave your house, I'm not even kidding. You're at least spending $15 a Chick-fil-A. Like, at minimum. I'm afraid to go outside these days.

I know. It is so expensive. But, I mean, I feel like if you're going into a social setting and it's like you with your girlfriends and your girlfriend is with her man, I personally believe unless you're willing to pay for your own stuff, you shouldn't be in that social setting. I would agree. I would wholeheartedly agree with you on that. If you and if something happens and someone at the bar buys you a drink or, you know, somebody else got the bill this time, make a mental note because next time you go out, you should probably pick up the tab because yours was picked up this time.

So I just feel like you shouldn't go unless you're going to pay for your, like, unless you're expecting to pay for yourself. Anything that happened. I would never expect somebody's man to pay for me. No. Like I'm not, if Kristen and Corey were like, hey, Kail, do you want to go get drinks or you want to go do this or you want to go do that, whatever? I don't expect anyone. Like, just because they invited me doesn't mean they're paying for it. And maybe it's like a territorial part of my personality that like makes me really want to say the next statement that I'm going to make.

get your own fucking man with his own credit card facts no that's so true though that is like i told christin i was like hey my sister wants to go to a flyers game when she gets here or whatever christin got on her and cori bought the tickets or she bought the tickets i don't know and i paid her right away like i'm not i just don't like you don't just because i asked to go or i asked you to get the tickets and like i'm not going to just expect that you're going to pay like that's weird to me yeah See, like, I'm like you like that. And I, I'm a very territorial person in a relationship, not like out of jealousy, but just like, this is my man. Like, if you want one, go get one.

Because why are we acting like this is group boyfriend? Yeah, no, this is not group boyfriend unless everybody's drunk. And even then, it's designated driver boyfriend, not everybody's boyfriend. Okay, in a situation where everybody's drunk and my man's the only man that's there, I don't even have a man, okay? But like, if I was going to have a man and he was the only one, then yes, for purposes of making sure you're getting home safe or, you know, like into your Uber or, you know, we're walking you to your car or whatever. Yes, absolutely in a situation like that. Otherwise, if you think he's paying for your sushi and all your martinis, like, that's my man. Wait, speaking of sushi, I toured a private school that has sushi for lunch on Wednesdays.

I love it. I looked at the director and I said, can I come here? When I enroll here starting in kindergarten? Right. Bread serious. This episode of Coffee Convo's podcast is brought to you by booking.com. I've got to say, if you're looking to grow your vacation rental business, this is the place to be. Booking.com is one of the most downloaded travel apps.

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That is so cool to me. They had like, I don't know, like sandwich bars where you can make your own paninis and then like a salad bar with all the toppings and you can make your salad. And then they had like the hot meal option and then like cold cut. of sot. And I'm like, can we just go back to high school? I don't even have that at my house and I'm grown. Right. I'm like, I need to go back to high school to get a good meal. I sent you and Kristen a screenshot where Louisiana passed a law allowing courts to order castration of child sex offenders. How do we feel about this? Well, if we're all going to give our opinions on it, I feel like Kristen's

going to say an eye for an eye and you're going to say an eye for an eye and I'm going to say I understand that we're you know paying tax dollars for people to sit somewhere but like why can't they just like sit somewhere and just be miserable what do you mean why do we have to take it as far as like castration you know what I mean see I'm I have the opposite I'm like if you heard a child in that way um I feel like you should absolutely be castrated and and I would almost feel like that might be punishment enough. Like they don't need the jail time if they're being castrated only because I think that they're literally rehabilitated at that time.

I think that they're testosterone drops. And so I think, and I don't, I'm not speaking from experience or because I have knowledge, these are all just assumptions. I believe that your testosterone drops at that point. So like you're not going to have those urges, I would hope. The problem I see is that like, from a like you have to be mentally ill to be attracted to small children i don't know if that attraction goes away right so that's the scary part is like the castration might solve the

problem of acting on those fantasies but i think that you're still having them i don't know that for sure or does the testosterone drive the attraction would the attraction sort of slowly subside from that point forward i'm not sure but this specific article says that last year, Louisiana passed a law that permits judges to sentence individuals convicted of specific crimes to surgical castration. The law Act 651 applies to convictions for aggravated sex crimes such as aggravated rape against victims under 13 years old. This law allows for irreversible surgical removal of sex organs in both male and female offenders. Unlike chemical castration, which suppresses, okay, so here we go. Unlike chemical castration,

which suppresses hormone production without removing organs, this procedure removes testicles and men and ovaries and women. In the court sentences, if the court sentences an offender to be surgically castrated, the procedure is to be done by a licensed physician with the Department of Public Safety and Corrections, providing the services necessary to perform the castration according to Justia law. So you're saying that if it was a male offender, they're losing their balls and they're losing their balls and they're sitting in jail? Yes. I think they should do that. I think that's fine. So I just Googled if castration would reduce the libido. And it says yes, castration significantly reduces libido, the sex drive.

Because the testicles produce most of the body's testosterone, the primary male sex hormone. Lowering testosterone levels leads to diminish sex drive, though the degree of reduction can vary. So, in theory, this would also reduce the drive that these people have for that. And for that, it's like, from there, you can work on rehabilitation, right? Like, if we're talking about, like, an actual pedophile, I'm not talking about, like, statutory rate because there are a lot of caveats to that or, like, nuances. I'm talking about, like, just to this point under, like, 13 and under. I just feel like I maybe misunderstood what you were saying.

I thought you were saying that they were doing this in lieu of going to jail. And I'm like, no, it shouldn't be like one or the other. It should be both. See, I don't, I don't know how I feel about both. I'm not saying that I don't think they should go to prison at all. I'm just saying, like, if they are rehabilitated at that point, like, in theory, rehabilitated, they slowly lost it. I just, I don't know, because this says important considerations, chemical versus surgical, castration. Chemical castration uses medication to temporary lower testosterone and can be reversed when the medication is stopped. But surgical castration removes the testicles, making the effects on the libido permanent unless hormone replacement therapy is used. But the variability says the

extent of libido reduction can vary between individuals. Some men may still experience sexual arousal and behavior, although a reduced level. So I do think it depends. And why can't they just cut the shaft off? And that's all. the problem just cut well they would have to pee I think just saying like owner and you offended children you need to stay in prison I would agree it's just interesting listen when it comes to children and changing the just like I actually just read a book called all the one ugly and wonderful things and it is about there's some sort of like a 23 year old and like a third grader is in the book I would be really curious to see if people read that book, you and I should do a book club discussion on it

because of this conversation and the castration. I would be really curious to see what people would say after reading this book specifically. And if this is something that would fall under that category where he should be castrated, I don't know. If you heard a child, I just feel like you should be castrated no matter what. I don't know why we're waiting on bills to do that. You know what I mean? Like laws to be passed. I mean... I can get behind it. So then what happens like, okay, what if hypothetically, like, does it change the dynamic if I would have been being born when I was with someone that would have been graduating

high school and going to college? When did you get with them? 30-ish plus years. That's not weird to me. I don't know. It's not weird to him because you're an adult now. obviously if he was in your life when you were a child that would be concerning and if you guys that would be weird but that's why I need you to read this book because I was conflicted

and it's yeah and it's sort of like that type of situation almost like that situation um I don't know okay how long do I have to read this book as long as you need but you need to I'm going to send you I'm going to send you the book right now it's on I believe it's on Kindle. You might have to pay for it. It's not free on Kindle, but you might. Alessandra was disgusted by it. She read it and she was like, this is an attempt at glamorizing grooming, which I see all sides of it. Like, I genuinely see all ends of the spectrum. But when you read it, I told Kristen to read it too. It's a really, it would be a really good book club discussion. Okay, well, I'm going to read it. I also am reading another book that you had sent me.

I'm not that far in because we had a real weekend, and I thought it was going to be able to read way more than I did. And I need to do you read like multiple books at the same time, or are you like, I need to finish this one to get to that one? So both. I do one on audio, probably one going on my Kindle sometimes at the same time as a physical copy. but definitely always two. There's always a listen and a physical copy, whether it's Kindle or Physical. But if, for example, I had to finish this book to start another book. Like, I can't, if it's a physical copy or on my Kindle, I can only read one at a time on there.

Okay, well, I'm going to put this in my queue to start reading and then we'll do a book club on it and discuss. I will be interested to see what people think about the Castro. or not. Yeah, same. And on that note, we have foul play, kitty cat. Fowl play. Okay. Oh, Lord. I'm scared of it today. Well, I'm, the first line made me scared. Yep, that D gave me 27 stitches in my V. That's one night, the X and I had some friends over. We all drank a little and played a board game. The X and my oldest son's father and I went to our bed and started to mess around. Things were flowing and the process was getting heated, I crawled on top to take a ride. Ladies, I have never really been a fan of climbing on top.

Maybe the alcohol helped me bust up the want. I started to lift my hips and come back down on his, oh, wait, I started to lift my hips and come back down when his D slipped out and sliced me my vagina to the side of my clip. At first, both of us didn't realize I just put it back in and tried to continue when I felt a sharp pain. He flipped me over and blood was everywhere all over him and starting to go on the sheet. My friend was still downstairs and was planning to stay the night. I made him yell for her.

Eagle position because I could not see the damage. That's what girlfriends are for, I guess. She saw the blood and immediately helped me to the hospital. When arriving, I waited in the waiting room with a wash rag held to my vagina. Seeing a guy friend who asked me what I was there for, I said, sex sent me here. When finally getting back to a room, the doctors continuously asked me if the sex I had was consensual. To this day, I don't think he believed me. He administered a numbing agent to stitch me up.

When the agent was not fully reactive, the needle is stitching me. I could feel the worst bit or the first bit. 27 stitches later, I am traumatized to even ride again. That has been a devastating experience and gives me chills just thinking about the time. That de-shanked me. This happened to me, but it was not consensual. And I also had to have stitches. 27?

No, I did not have to. I think I had like, oh, God, I can't even remember how many. But the surgeon, it was the plastics guy that came. It wasn't even a gynecologist. He kept asking me, was this consensual? Was this consensual? And I didn't want to say anything because the guy that did it had a lot of money. And I knew that if I was like, this is not consensual, I just knew the can of worms that I was

going to get into. It was the most painful. And I think what was even worse and I can relate to her was like getting stitched up and having to be in the hospital was scar. And I don't know if she feels the same way, but that was like the fear of the unknown. Yeah. And I still have a scar right where she's describing. wait so was this like the sidewalk situation no this was another situation and he actually read it in

my book and he texted me and apologized to me I'm like that doesn't really that's not how that works but oh wow um okay so have you ever been having sex and it like slips out it like slips out a little bit and then when they go to put it back in it hit your but hole not well No, never hits my but hole, but I've had it where, like, it slips out and then it hurts so bad. It hurts both of us because it's like, it like doesn't go in right and it like bends and then it also hurts my vagina. Have you had that? Oh, yeah. I've also had the butthole one.

I've had them accidentally, like they are looking for the vagina and they find the butthole. And I'm like, that's the wrong hole, my love. Like, I don't know what's going on. It's like, if I've got to coach you that much, then you shouldn't be down there at all in either hole. And also, I'm curious about your sexuality, because at that point, I'm wondering if you preferred the butthole. No, they were trying to find it. And they found it. They found it. They wanted to do it. That's why that happened. Actually, one time I was with somebody that kept wanting to try to do butt stuff. And it just, like, was giving me the vibes that I wasn't feeling it, you know? Like, at that point, I was turned off. And Kristen said Lindsay does not give off ass play vibes in no way, shape, or form. No, I actually had a conversation with somebody the other day.

And I'm like, if you think that you're ever going to play with my ass, don't. I am not into butt play whatsoever. At all. But I do know someone who told me that didn't matter. And all of a sudden, they're talking about butt play. So, like, I know. And a lot of people commented after the, like, last time we talked about like briefly talked about butt play stuff there was some people on

the facebook group and i mean i was deep in those comments okay and they were like well they just haven't had someone play with their butt like good enough and it's like no i like first of all you don't know how good somebody's played with my asshole okay and i can just tell you i i would not prefer for anybody to ever play with my ass the only thing it's going to play with my ass the only thing it's going to play with my ass is going to be a tickle from a toilet paper or a wipe. I just, here's the thing. I'm not judging. I think it's fascinating. I think that because men's G spot is in their butthole, like I really think they're the only ones that actually can enjoy ass play. They, a lot of them will not admit it. They won't try it. They're scared. They think it makes

them gay, which I think is not the case. But also, our G spot is not in our but holes. Like, we don't really have something like yeah lots of nerve nerve endings i've done anal there's nothing pleasurable about it yeah the nerve endings are so unnerving in the asshole that like don't go there i have a hard enough time shitting that exit only to it's an exit only it is it is it is it's like why are we why are we playing in a dumpster fire when you could be playing in gold you know like it doesn't make sense to me. And it's also like, if you can get me off in two ways in the vagina, like, why are we even exploring downstairs? No, I agree with you. I wholeheartedly agree with you. Like, your fantasy is not going to be fulfilled here. No, at all. And this is what people are going to say,

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