Coffee Convos with Kail Lowry and Lindsie Chrisley - Field Day, Pool Safety & Courthouse Wedding Plan

Episode Date: May 29, 2025

CC417: Kail and Lindsie have some post-field day thoughts! Lindsie gives us a surprising update from New Orleans regarding the jail escape saga – Kail chooses a new prison bae! Also in today's episode, thoughts on the highly controversial game "Senior Assassin," the critical importance of pool and water safety, and one listener asks whether it's okay to skip your best friend's destination wedding. Plus, Lindsie and Kail share their opinions on technology-free dinners, a listener's AITA that we surprisingly don't agree with, and a Foul Play involving an untimely period.Thank you to our sponsors!Progressive: Visit Progressive.com to learn moreThrive Causemetics: New customers get the Liquid Lash Extensions Mascara and a mini-sized Brilliant Eye Brightener at a special set price with free shipping. Save more with 20% off your first order at https://thrivecausemetics.com/COFFEEWayfair: Visit Wayfair.com or get the Wayfair mobile app.See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

I hate gift giving and receiving. Receiving gifts is so weird. What do you say thank you? This is Coffee Convo's with Kale Lowry and Lindsey Chrisley. I really want you to be in your feels, Kale. That does not interest me whatsoever. I feel very attacked by you. A spirited discussion about motherhood, friendship, family,

and life in the public eye. I'm just not with the fakery anymore. There's a fakery bakery around here. Here's Kale and Lindsey. Good morning, kitty cat. Good morning, kitty. How are you? It's been a rough morning. Creed's here in the office. So if you hear him, he doesn't have school anymore. I have to tell you something before we get started. I ate my, I need to eat my words that I said last week or the week before when we talked shit about field day

Well, um, my son absolutely wanted me there and can you say hi to Lindsey? Hi I don't know if he can if you can see him, but he was waiting He just got a faux hawk haircut that we got a style later. Look at how cute you are You're so big now Are you going to kindergarten? Yeah You're so big now. Are you going to kindergarten? Yeah. Yeah.

Okay. Go sit down. Okay. Lux absolutely wanted me at field day, asked for me at field day. I showed up to field day. Lincoln didn't give a shit if I was at field day. So I just want to say that I need to publicly apologize for talking shit about field day. And I did in fact go to field day.

But you didn't go to seven field days. Well, I guess three would I went to one field day because I was summoned I was requested. Lincoln did not give a shit whether I was there or not. So were you a like a silent observer or did you like assist? I was a silent I was a spectator will. I watched I I was watching. Okay, so Will and I were actually talking about field day the other day when we were at field day and we were like they play games that we did not play at field day when we were in school.

I the only one that I remember is the like parachute looking thing and You were part of that as a kid. No, I loved it. I wanted to get on it. I wanted them to like throw me up in the air. And then I want and then I saw the potato sack race, which was my worst nightmare as a child. Wait, the parachute situation. I feel like we only did that in the gym when it was like a rainy day. Really? You didn't do it outside.

I don't feel like we did it outside. I feel like it was a rainy day activity. But the things that I'm talking about is like, they did bottle flipping at Jackson's field day, you know, like where you toss the water bottle up and count as it lands. I don't know, like all the things that have been trends on social media were associated with the field day and I'm like, but like where are the eggs for like the egg toss and stuff like that because that's what we did.

The egg the spoon on the egg would have been a good one. Yeah, I do kind of love that they're incorporating like, everyday trends in it though, because like that's what the kids watch that's what they want to try with their friends. So I think that's kind of cool, but also adding in like the staples, potato sack race, the egg spoon thing. Honestly, we should, Coffee Convo's podcast should put together a field day.

Would that not be so fun? Like tying our shoelaces together. Remember that one where you had to do the race? Oh, that was a good one. That was tying the shoelaces together was a good coffee combo Should go camping and do a field day. I don't know. I'm for it Wait, should we do a field day and do like a whole teams like merch situation and it can be Lindsay and kale because it's like are you a Lindsay? Are you a kale? I

Stand for this. When are we doing this? I don't care. We can incorporate our kids too over the summer. Oh, we need to do this. The kids would fricking lose it. Oh my God. So Jackson called me yesterday morning and he was like, mom, dad ran a 5k over Memorial Day weekend and he went so slow. There was eight people in his age group

and he finished six. I mean, kudos to Willard Sly Willie for even just doing it because I'm never doing a 5K. Like it hurts to run. But do you have any of your kids that can just like run and run and run and never get tired because that's Jackson? That's Lux Russell Lowry. That is Lux Russell Lowry all day. We love him. Did he do good at field day? He did great at field day. I mean, they did like a 50-yard dash, which I don't remember

doing ever. He fell somewhere in the middle. It was pretty average. I think Lux is more of a distance runner than a speed runner. Does that make sense? So we're feeling pretty good about that. Okay. So remember last week when we were talking about the New Orleans jail escapees? Yeah. And they call it all but one. This is giving Tom and Jerry.

Yeah. Okay. Well, I need you to click on the most recent article and I want you to tell me out of the lineup, which one would be your prison bay? Okay. Hold on. Hold on. Hold on. Hold on. I think I know which one it would be. Prison bay would be, first of all, are they all of age because I don't want to be a pedophile? Yeah. They're all, I mean, they would be in like juvenile detention if they weren't. Okay, I got it. Who Who do you think it would be? To be honest, I think it would be the

bottom left. Yep. You got it right on the first one, as soon as you said bottom left, and then you were like the first you got it like you nailed it, nailed it. The next one. I just need anyone listening to this podcast. We're gonna have to like zoom in or like circle him on the story because I don't want if it shows up in a different order somewhere else.

I don't want to be picking the wrong one. Okay, but then the third one on the bottom row is kind of given post Malone vibes. You said which one? The third one on the bottom row. Oh, right in the middle. Yeah, posty. I can see that posty vibe. So that was going to be my second choice. But for those of you who are looking for an update, I'm here to give it three more of the 10 inmates who escaped from the New Orleans jail earlier this month were

re arrested Monday and two different states after more than a week on the run. It says one of the men was arrested in Baton Rouge, Louisiana by local police and two others were arrested in Walker County, Texas, by officials there. Like first of all, how the fuck did they get to Texas? I mean, they must have a lot of people in their corner that is like helping them. But in the what is it called like a BOLO?

Yeah, be on the lookout. Yeah, like, on that, the local like governor or something of New Orleans said that they would be pressing charges to the fullest extent for anyone who helped assist these inmates get anywhere. Here's the thing though, I'm going to be so honest with you. I would help. Looking at their faces, they all look very different. But that being said, they look like everyday people

that I see on a regular basis. So like, I don't know that I would if they all separate and go their separate ways, I'm not going to be able to pick them out. I mean, my question is, how did they get actual street clothes? Because you can't wear street clothes and jails. Like these are are they gang affiliated? Because if they're gang affiliated, surely they have people who are like providing that to them. I mean that could be possible but on the escape video some of them were escaping and they're orange.

So I'm like if I see somebody running around in orange in New Orleans, like I'm probably turning you in listen. I'm not turning anyone in because I don't want them to come for me next. You're like, next on their hit list and you never know when they're going to break out the next time. Like they're coming for you. It might not be today, it might not be tomorrow, but they will come for you. It says that there are two more inmates that are still on the run, according to state police

and no other details were immediately released about Monday's arrest. I don't, I'm not getting involved. I just, I need to know how they got to Texas. Like, was this by Greyhound? Did someone drive them? What by Greyhound? Like, wow, because don't you have to have like an ID

and stuff to board a Greyhound bus? I don't think so. I mean, don't listen to me because I could be talking out of my ass. I truly have no fucking clue. You know how dangerous that is? Like if you got on a Greyhound bus and you're just like riding with all these people and no one knows who the fuck you are except who you say you are. I got on a Greyhound bus to go to New York one time when I was what do you got, my cousin lives in Hoboken and she's lived there like my whole adult life. So when I went prom dress shopping, she had bought me a ticket to get to New York, like through

the Grey bus. So like I lived in Nazareth, Pennsylvania. And then I went to the bus, like I think it was like a Greyhound situation. And then I got on it and took the bus to New York when I was, I guess I was 16. Were you scared on it? No, it was just weird because I didn't have a cell phone. Did you kind of feel like you were going on a field trip? Because that's how I would feel. Yeah, except for I didn't have anybody with me. I was by myself and I didn't have a cell phone.

How was it back then? Like I thought about this not too long ago. When my grandparents would leave home, they would just be rogue, like out there, like at the Winn Dixie at Walmart. Did you guys have like a car phone at all? My grand my dad's parents had a car phone. I believe it was in a Cadillac they had and it was like in a bag thing. So they had that. They're the only people that I know that ever had like a car phone. But I feel

like that wasn't until I was like a bit older. Well, my mom had a bag phone at one point. And then she never really got a cell phone that had like actual service on it. She always got the prepaid ones because I don't think she had, I think at the time you had to get like have credit or like the you had to like sign a contract for a cell phone. Like sort of like it is now she never had that. So she always bought the minutes for the cell phone. Don't they refer to those as like the burner phone now? Yeah, now it would be a burner phone, like a prepaid situation. But before it was like,

I guess, pretty normal. Have you ever be a burner phone, like a prepaid situation. But before it was like, I guess, pretty normal. Have you ever had a burner? Well, not as a burner, but I had like the prepaid cell phone situation when I was, well, no, I mean, I think I just used my mom's, but I had, I didn't get a cell phone until I was 16. Oh, you didn't? No. Oh my God.

My first cell phone I got when I was in eighth grade. And I thought it was so cool because I felt like my parents knew that I was responsible. And they were like, we're going to get her the cell phone because I walked to school, like from my neighborhood backed up to what they had built was a new middle school. So I got to walk to and from school, never had to ride the bus. So I think my dad wanted it for safety purposes. Like if I was out walking or something needed to call somebody, I would have this phone. So of course I was allowed to take it to school, leave it in my backpack and it got stolen from there and never recovered. I was heartbroken.

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It's crazy because like I think about kids now like when they needed cell phones or when they need them luxes about to be eight this summer. And in my opinion, he just, and I know that we've talked about this before, but like, I can't stress it enough. Like he doesn't need a cell phone. There's no reason why he needs one. And he doesn't go anywhere without adults. So thinking back to like Isaac, he really didn't get one until he was like 12 or 13. And then Lincoln got one because his dad was leaving him home alone. He got one pretty early, but he's also really responsible. But Lux doesn't go anywhere by himself at all.

He just needs to get a play school phone. They don't even have iPads over here, so they don't need any of it. So are you doing technology-free summer? Yes. Yes. Not for Isaac because he's 15 but or Elliot rather. Okay, so I don't know if you've ever gone into like Chick-fil-A to eat inside. Have you ever been in there where they have the little boxes at the table and it's like you the family puts their cell phone in the box and if all the cell phones stay

in the box, then you get like a free ice cream or something. No I've never heard. I've never seen that or heard that. Yeah, I think I'm going to start implementing that rule at my house. I love that. For dinner time. I fucking love that. So wait, are you going to like buy a specific like cute little bowl that's like the designated phone bowl or something? Yeah.

And I'm doing that. If you want to participate in technology free and then like dessert, then put it in there. I'm copying you. I'll let you know how it goes tonight. Oh, you're gonna start tonight? Yeah, we're gonna start because last night we did not eat at the dinner table we ate in the living room and I I never really let that happen. But we were still coming off of Memorial Day. We had a barbecue on Sunday and then yesterday was like, Monday is like the weird because

it's like then it's the Sunday and you have to get ready for the next day. And so I was like, whatever, we'll just, you know what? Here's the thing about the Northern schools. None of us want to go back to school after Memorial Day. I just feel like Memorial Day needs to mark the end of the school year because nobody wants to continue. So if that means we have to go back two weeks early, I would rather do that because yesterday I was just thinking to myself like there's 10 days of school left. They're not really doing much. Like I, it's summertime. Like I do not do not and then my girlfriend who's a teacher was like I'm not I don't want to go back to school and I'm like we don't either. Well here's the thing for us southern folk we have to go back on August 1st. Y'all don't

and we were having the conversation with some other parents at Jackson's graduation we were like we're so glad that we don't have the schedule of going back to school after Labor Day and being in school past Memorial Day. Because you all are already out. Yeah, we're out. Like we've been out since Friday. August 1 feels like really early though. But why does the northern states do that? Like they go back after Labor Day? Because I think that used to be a common thing. My

nanny said when she was in school many moons ago, that they didn't go until after Labor Day, because I think that used to be a common thing. My nanny said when she was in school many moons ago, that they didn't go until after Labor Day. I do think that there needs to be some sort of curriculum that is across the board for all like curriculum schedule, all of the things and I say that because I think about and I've told the story before. So if you all have heard it, skip it if you want. But when I switched high schools in the middle of high school, the school curriculums were so different that I was able to graduate early since I had the first high school that

I went to required more credits to graduate than the second high school I went to. And they're within the same, within 30 minutes of each other. So it wasn't like I was moving states, and that's why they require different things. I mean, we're talking within a very close proximity. Like when people move, so if someone's living in the North and moves to the South or living in the South, Midwest, whatever moves to the North, like just like none of it is the same. And I think that that's so weird. And people move for their jobs all the time. So I just like don't understand why we're not all on the same schedules.

It is really crazy. Actually when we moved from South Carolina to Georgia, I felt so behind, but it wasn't because I was behind. It was just the curriculum was different. So it took a lot of adjusting. And that was in fourth grade. The way they did math was different. So it took a lot of adjusting. And that was in fourth grade, the way they did math was different. The way they did like reading centers and stuff was completely different.

That's why I'm not a huge advocate unless you like have to have to have to relocate or move your child's school. I'm like, no, I agree. And I completely understand. Like, I get it. I mean, I just think about when I tell people that my kids are in Spanish immersion, they're like, we don't have anything like that here. And I'm like, what do you mean you don't have anything like that here? Like that should be across the board. People should be, we should be teaching second

and third languages from fucking kindergarten all the way across America. We can do Chinese immersion or Spanish immersion. So like, if you don't want your, Creed's raising his hand for Spanish. If you don't wanna do Spanish, you could do something else. But like, why do every single school not offer that? I don't know, because I don't think they offer that here.

What was interesting though, one of Jackson's friends' moms has an older son that's gonna be a senior this year in high school. And she was telling us about all the programs and stuff through the local high school that you can get all of these certificates. So I think they call them like paths. Oh, pathways, pathways. Yeah. So like, it could be welding, cosmetology or whatever. And I wonder how many parents that have older children would encourage their child to do that versus just taking like the mainstream coursework.

That's where Isaac goes. He does pathways. Yeah. He goes to a tech school, a tech high school. So you can still go to college after them. Some of them do, but like Taylor, my hairstylist went to a tech school for cosmetology. Now she owns her own salon. So like I think you come out of high school

licensed already or certified. I just think that's cool and such a great alternative for children who kind of know what it is that they want to do instead of waiting to get to college to figure that out. I will never forget, like I went, did I ever tell you that I went to college and wanted to do social work?

Yeah. Yeah. I wanted to be a social worker so bad. They have a pathway for that. You can go to a tech high school that has a pathway for that and then still go to college for it. St. Elliot's doing the teacher's pathway because he wants to learn how to do sign language and teach.

That was the closest thing that you could do for like ASL. They also have like nursing pathway or childcare development or, you know, they have all the like all the pathways that you could take even if you want to go to college. So it's not just for like the welding or which is a really great job. Carpentry, stuff like that. So is it all schools have this or it just certain schools have it only here I can't speak for everywhere only certain schools have it here. Well while we're talking about kids Have you ever heard of a game called senior assassin?

Okay, so this was on parents.com and we'll make sure that we link this but it says teen critically injured after playing senior Assassin what parents need to know about the trend it says it's a popular high school game That is prompting concern from school leaders and law enforcement From officials around the country the game senior assassin assassin typically involves students using water guns To tag their targets just a few days ago, a teen in Texas was critically injured after playing the game. 17 years old, in the midst of a round of Senior Assassin, when he hopped on the back of a classmate's Jeep

that was pulling out of the driveway, the teen fell from the car and landed on his head, causing severe head injury. The teen was a baseball high school star at his high school and currently on life support weeks before baseball high school star at his high school and currently on life support weeks before his high school graduation. The parent is calling for an investigation for what they consider to be foul play in a statement to local Texas station KTVT.

The father of the teen said, I have not been able to go home because I can't imagine going home without him. I've never heard of this ever in my whole life. So it says that there's little information on the origin of this game, but it says that the game's reach has increased significantly since early 2010, possibly due to impart mentions in the show like iCarly and Gossip Girl. What? Yeah, it says that the game has spread via social media

where players post content encouraging others to join. But what is it? It sounds like a water fight with water guns. Like it sounds like hazing. Kill shooting somebody with a water gun is not hazing. Well, the one didn't they do like weird shit with like for hazing where they like cover your face and like, basically like shoot you with a water gun until you can't breathe anymore. It's hazing. Okay, no, that is so if that's if that's what I picture for this game, then then that's a problem. I kids are.

Oh, wait, you're right. It says to improve their chances at winning some students disguise themselves by wearing ski masks, headgear designed to conceal most of their face. Told you. It's like hazing. This is not okay. And what's so scary is that like, because of social media, and I guess just like times changing and times evolving, we are giving our kids more independence in different ways than how we had independence. But the games and stuff that they're playing and the activities that kids today are participating in seem more dangerous than what we... I don't know. And maybe it's just because I'm a parent now, I look at it differently. Maybe it really is all the same. I don't know, but it's terrifying. Well, it kind of goes back to what we were talking about the prefrontal cortex and it not being fully developed.

So what we're saying today might not be the mindset that we would have had when we were teenagers participating and stuff. I remember playing games like manhunt and like you selected teams. I was left alone a lot of the time and went off and did all kinds of things on my own, but I never participated in this type of game. This was never something that was like, I wasn't getting in trouble with boys and I was out for God knows how long, long periods of time, but I wasn't doing this kind of shit. I wasn't even drinking. Well, this has kind of become a full circle moment from last week because remember how

you said I won't have contracts on cars? Yep. I just wonder if the child who is driving this Jeep, if they did have a contract on a car, would that other student have been on it? That's true. I mean, this is sad. It's so sad. And what would you do in that situation if your child was the injured child, but a participant

of the game? Are you going after the other parents or is it case by case basis? I think it's case by case basis. I have a hard time and I was talking about this with someone yesterday. Like I have a little mini teeny tiny rock waterfall in my pool and a lot of times my kids friends will, and my kids too, but I'm not going to sue myself, my friends kids will want to jump off and I'm like, I don't want to get sued. So even if your mom says yes, it freaks me out because I'm like, it sounds good. Oh, we won't sue you. We won't sue you until something happens. And you're like, on second thought, I'm going to sue you. All right, let's talk about Thrive Cosmetics. I've been using their mascara for so many years and Thrive Cosmetics makes 100% vegan

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I follow Beach Gem and I absolutely love her. Oh, you follow her? Yeah. Okay. So it says, drowning is silent. It's not thrashing around and yelling it takes seconds for a child to silently slip into a pool and drown as little time as reading a text and then looking back up. Yep. And it's terrifying. It's absolutely terrifying. I had a barbecue on Sunday and the whole time I was just like, where are the kids?

Like counting them. And even when I put the kids to bed last night, I was thinking, okay, is everyone in bed? I need to make sure. And like my gates are closed, they're locked. Like I know that, but it's still so scary. It's terrifying. I wanna play the video

and then I wanna get your thoughts on this. And then I have a couple of other things to say. I've taken care of hundreds of kids who have drowned. And honestly, in the summertime, we average almost one per day, we see fatal and non-fatal drowning events. And it's not like you see in movies or on TV, it is silent, completely silent. There's no thrashing around or screaming. It's just they slip into the water and that's the only sound. And it's so quick. It's seconds. By the time you look down at your phone and you look back up, you answer the door, you go to the bathroom, you grab a drink from the kitchen, and it's too late. That's enough time for it to happen. When it comes to outcomes, the amount of time

that the body goes without oxygen is one of the biggest factors in how that kiddo is going to do. Getting bystander CPR can help tremendously in those outcomes, but there's two main systems that we get concerned about if we are able to get their heartbeat back, and that's their lungs and their brain. In our lungs, we have something called surfactant, which is kind of a soap that allows the lungs to open back up and allow air to get in so that we can get oxygen to the rest of the body. And when that surfactant, that soap is washed away, it can be very difficult to get oxygen into the lungs because they can get stopped closed, those little alveoli. And so we do a lot of treatments and therapies to try to get

those lungs back open, but it can just be very difficult to get oxygen to the body. The other thing that we get concerned about is the brain because the longer the brain goes without oxygen, that damage is unfortunately not reversible. I've cried with so many families. You know, you cry when they start breathing over the vent and when they don't. We need to take precautions around all of these bodies of water that our kids could potentially be around, whether it's our backyard pool, grandparents pool that when they don't. We need to take precautions around all of these bodies of water that our kids could potentially be around, whether it's our backyard pool, grandparents pool that you're visiting, or an Airbnb, or a pond behind the house. We need to be putting layers of protection between the child and the water. That means door locks, door alarms, fences around the pool, pool covers,

making sure that kids have swim lessons or ISR to help protect them if they do end up in the pool so that they're able to get to the side and potentially out safely. We commonly see kids drown when there are multiple adults around because everyone thinks everyone else is watching. So you need to have a designated person to watch the kids in the pool who is not on their phone and completely sober to make sure that they stay safe. Drowning is a leading cause of death for children one to four years old, and no one thinks it's gonna be them until tragedy strikes. Make sure there are multiple layers of protection between your child and the water at all times,

and make sure that you are aggressively supervising them anytime that they're around water. Please look into the water safety resources in your community. Many places offer free or reduced price swim lessons, door locks, alarms, and pool fences to help keep kids safe. I love that she's creating awareness around this. And I know that there was an influencer

who recently lost her toddler to drowning. And so I think that this, it's really important for people like her who see this every day to really raise awareness about it. And it makes me emotional to even think about it because I mean, to her point, like once the brain damage is done, there's no, and truly, from being honest, I don't know how many people actually know how to do CPR.

You know, I think those are the types of things that should be taught in high school. Yeah. I mean, no, no matter what pathway you pick, no matter whether you're going to college or not, I wholeheartedly agree with you. I think that those are things that, and like we should be taking tests on that. Like it's like, you have to know how to do this on a child, an adult, whatever, because at the end of the day, like that is something that could really happen. I have followed multiple different families that have lost their child to drowning incidents. And I could not even imagine the heartbreak, the thoughts of self-blame. Could not imagine.

I don't know what the, is it state laws or local jurisdictions that require fencing? Like, what's your situation? I think the pool situation here is state law, I'm pretty sure. You have to have an alarm on your door. You have to have locks on your fence. Your entire pool has to be fenced in, or your yard has to be fenced in. I do have a little bit of mixed feelings on that because a lot of times people will fence in their yard, but they're not fencing in the pool specifically. And so like else you'll drive by pools here in Delaware and it'll be the entire yard fenced in and that meets

code. Oh, wow. So you're saying like your entire backyard, as long as that fence, then you don't have to have a specific pool fence. Correct. Within that fence. Correct. But for me, I've always put, I've had, so I've owned three houses with pools and all three of them, I had the pool fenced in and then fencing around the yard. So I've had double fencing because

it freaks me out. And I know that some people are like, I don't even know how Kayla has a pool. Why would she get a pool? It's so dangerous. I feel like I do all the things that I'm supposed to do. I have a thing on my back door, lock on my fence, my pool fence. And then my kids have done ISR swimming lessons. The twins will probably start that this year. So I've done all the things, but it's scary. Nonetheless, like, I know a lot of people have the mixed feelings on the ISR swim lessons. I did ISR swim lessons with Jackson and will never regret it. I don't regret so far. I have no regrets. I mean, that's how for some reason Lux just

knew how to swim like he just knows and always knew but Creed and Rio did ISR last year and we don't have any regrets. But like, even knowing how to swim you can still drown. Like I think people think oh have the swimming lessons and you won't drown but like no you can still drown. Oh for sure. I think my hot tub's supposed to come this week, but I can never imagine having a body of water, regardless of what type of body of water it is, without any type of fencing cover, whatever. I actually was reading a story when I had ordered that hot tub. I was reading a story about a mom that had a nine year old little girl that drowned in a hot tub because her hair got stuck in the like whatever it is, it pulled

her under and she couldn't get out. That's terrifying. So it's just like be diligent. It's very easy to go to the pool with friends and have lots of kids around and think, oh, well, if I'm not watching someone else's, you can't guarantee that. Yeah, I agree with you. I do agree with you.

Also, I'm going to make sure that it's posted on the Facebook group and our Instagram, whichever place that you guys follow. There are nine water safety tips to keep kids safe in the pool for this summer. It's about a two minute read and highly suggest you guys taking a look at that. I also want to post the bathing suit color situation. I don't know if you've seen that online where it shows you like the different colors in the water.

Oh, I didn't know about that. Yeah. So I'll make sure that gets posted too, because that way you can like say Jackson or Biggie or in the water, the color of their bathing suit will be able to be seen or not seen based on what type of water you're in. So if it's like a lake or an ocean, so I'll make sure that gets posted too. Yeah, that's very interesting. I didn't know anything about that. And switching gears a little bit, a woman skipping best friend's destination wedding because of expense

planning mini vacations with her husband. How do we feel about this? This was on People magazine. A woman says her best friend and bride to be has accused her of the wrong priorities because she had declined to attend her destination wedding due to cost, but instead planning some mini vacations with her husband. This was on Reddit, of course, an AMI the asshole post. She starts to explain that traveling for her best friend's wedding would cost almost $6,000 for her and her husband and require them to arrange childcare for their two kids. And she says, I told my friend I can't afford it because I just remortgaged and did $50,000 worth of repairs on our house. I wasn't expecting the trip to be so expensive. And she says that her friend was upset. Instead,

she was saving up for some small vacations with her husband. And so she shared that with her friend. She said she couldn't afford the bachelorette party because that was $1,200 for the weekend. And now the original poster feels horrible about the situation and asking other redditors to comment back, am I the asshole for not going to my best friend's wedding and for going on mini trips instead? How do you feel about this? Okay. First, as you were reading, I fully believe that someone else's priority might not be yours. Agreed.

And maybe the fact that they, as you continue reading, refinancing the mortgage, doing home repairs, having children, and maybe needing solo time alone, the money would have been better spent. If they couldn't do all of the things, then maybe for solo time alone, the money would have been better spent if they couldn't do all of the things, then maybe for their personal lives, the money was better spent to go on these many vacations just solo dolo. It's hard because if this is your best friend, like truly you are her best friend and she is yours, like that is upsetting. I want to validate the friend's feelings there because that would be like me getting married and Kristen saying that she would rather go away with her husband.

I would be hurt by that. But that being said, I also understand that might be the only time she gets to go away with her husband. I know Kristen's, I know Cory's work hours and vacation time. I know how that's... I would be upset. I would be hurt, but I wouldn't end the friendship over it. I feel like I would look at this situation differently if it wasn't a $6,000 spend. Agreed. I mean, that's more than some people make in a month or two. No, that's more than what some people make in probably like three months. So, so I think it's also hard. Go ahead. Expecting someone to pay $6,000 to be a participant

at your wedding. I think that's an insane ask. Alright, summer is on its way and there's no better place to go for outdoor furniture than Wayfair. I just did my new camper all in Wayfair products from the bedding down to what we're going to use for dishes. I also got a Wayfair rug and umbrellas sectional outside for by the pool. So everything outdoor for us this summer is by Wayfair and we're absolutely obsessed because I've done the inside of my house with Wayfair and I absolutely love everything they have.

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example, Kristen and Corey might invite me to go somewhere and I might not be able to go because I have seven kids. So it's not that I don't want to be there, but my priority is to like, it would be more of a headache for me to rearrange and switch everything up for my kids and try to find childcare. If I have them on my one of my weeks, then to go. And so for me, certain things just aren't worth the headache. And you can be hurt by that and your feelings are valid. But at the end of the day, it's like, is it worth moving everything around and like spending the extra money? And like, so you sort of have to figure that out. I mean, and that goes for everybody. Right? Like, and when people, I can't get mad

at you if you're like, Oh, I can't do this, even though you have one kid, I have seven, at the end of the day, your son is still your priority. So I can be hurt, but I can't sit here and say, oh, well, you just have one kid. Well, you have to look at this situation like, number one, it's a financial investment of $6,000. That's number one.

Number two, if they need alone time with just each other, which is what it seems like, because they're making multiple many vacations, they're not gonna get alone time at a wedding, let's be honest. So their priorities, if they participated, are completely negated, and they're putting somebody else's priorities

above their own. Yep. And I think that's where a lot of people fuck up. Yeah, no, I agree. So I mean, I don't think that it just sucks because that's your best friend. And you know, you're in different stages of life. So that does suck. But I mean, that's also the price that you pay when you have to when you choose to have a destination wedding. If I ever get married again, I'm eloping to the courthouse. I want to have a honeymoon because I didn't have a honeymoon the first time. It's justice of the peace.

Yeah. I just want the really cool pictures at the courthouse and just super into it. I don't even want guests. I don't want any guests. You just want it to be you and that person. The kids, yeah. Well, you know, I got married at the courthouse. Yeah, I love that. I did too also, but I had a big. Yeah. We know I got married to the courthouse. Yeah, I love that. I just I did

two also, but I had a big wedding after so I never really think about the courthouse part of it. I just love that. What? I did not love getting married to the courthouse. Why? Because they line you up like, no, but look at these pictures like the I have these literally pinned to a Pinterest board. I my god. It's so weird. Like, when as these literally pinned to a Pinterest board. I my god. It's so weird. Like when as time goes on and like I always like I'm not gonna get married and then I was like, Oh, I guess I would like I don't want to get married. I do. I don't

I do. I want to get married and I want to be a wife one day. I want to be a fucking wife. And so I made this little board for courthouse style, but like look at these pictures and I think I can change your mind. Okay? Like this type of courthouse wedding, not what you and I did before. Okay? We'll post, I'll also have these posted on the Instagram story. But this is what I'm thinking when I think of courthouse wedding. Okay? Not the ceremony itself. I'm talking about the, the, what I'm wearing, the style. Like, I just love. Well, I was broke as a little joke whenever I got married at the courthouse. So I probably

were like leggings, honestly. Okay. That's very cute. But where is there a courthouse that looks like that? Here in Delaware. There's one, the courthouse that you get married at down here looks just like that. The only place that I know that even looks like that at all is the federal building in downtown Atlanta, which I'm definitely not. Or like a library vibe, like a get married in a library or something. Like I would love that.

Because you love to read. Yeah, that would not be my vibe. Okay. This is actually really cute. This is changing my mind a little bit, but I would have to come and get married in Delaware to do this. Yeah. I mean, I'm sure you could find a courthouse to take pictures outside of.

But Kayl, that dress looks like nothing you would wear. No, I wouldn't wear a dress. I wear it with like a romper, like a linen set, like a white linen set, like something very cute. No, because that completely takes away the whole vibe of these pictures. It has to be a dress. I'm not wearing a dress. You're going to get married in a suit. I want my man to get married in a suit, but no, maybe not. I mean, I don't know. Could you picture

me in a fucking dress? Yeah, I actually could. No. So what would you wear if you're not wearing a dress to get married, what are you wearing? Okay. Let me go on Pinterest and look at my wedding rompers. Where do you see this? Is that you bouncing in the back? That is none of my children. Okay.

Here it comes. It's coming to the group. Okay. Maybe not that specifically, but like that vibe. Because I don't love my arms. Like, are you fucking? Hold on, hold on, hold on. There's more. Are you fucking going to an interview? All right. What about these at a pageant? Yeah. For like a photo shoot. What? Are you serious? I just, I feel like you're going to wear a dress. We're going to find you a dress.

Okay. Okay. If you find me a dress that I would wear, I'll get married in it. Okay, perfect. We have a couple listener topics. This first person says my son who will be 15 in October has his best friend's day over often and has my friends day over often and usually the friend showers the next day. My husband thinks it's gross having someone who doesn't live with us use our shower. I'm fine with it. What's everyone's thoughts on this? If you're saying please use my shower.

I'm a little thrown off by this. Why? What is gross about that? I, if anything, I want them to shower here because I want to make sure they shower. Why? Like, can't you just like bleach it out? Like what could be so just right? Like, literally, all you have to do is just spray it down real quick afterwards. I could never imagine telling one of Jackson's little friends like, thank you for sleeping over and having a good time but like do not shower here. That's weird to me. I'm thinking that this dad must have like, a severe

Termophobia for form of germophobia, which I mean, I probably am on the spectrum of that to some degree. But this is a insane thing. I would love to know anybody who feels nasty if someone comes to their house and uses y'all shower. Now I will tell you, I don't know that I want somebody like taking a shower in my master shower outside of me. But like the guest shower, I think that's fine. Not everyone has a guest shower. But like the guest shower, I think that's fine. Not everyone has a guest shower, but like your kids friends can't shower in their in their bathroom. I mean, kids are just disgusted, equally disgusting. They're all disgusting.

So what difference does it make? And surely you're not bleaching the tub every time your kid takes a bath himself. So who cares? Like I that's just like a weird. Great question. How often do you clean your kids bathrooms and their linens? Well, I the babies all three of them get bathed in my master bathroom. I do have to spray it down with bleach every time just because there's three of them and it gets it does get really gross. So I just literally just spray. I don't even not scrubbing. I just spray it really quick. And then I have like this, like, it's like an attachment to

the faucet. I'll take a picture and post it. And I just like rinse it really quick before I put them in the bathtub. And also because my cats jump over onto the window sill and then sometimes their hair gets on there. So I just like to like, that's almost every single day. The older kids probably shower, I probably do it once a week because they're only here every other week. So I don't have to, you know what I mean? And then their, their sheets and stuff have to get washed every week. So every time everybody goes to dads, I wash everything. Sometimes I'll do it a second time in the week. Mine get changed so frequently because I love the smell of bleach and that's death by bleach for sure. But mine are getting changed because

I also sweat in my sleep. I'm older. I'm able to do it myself. I am a Friday sheet washer. A Friday sheet washer like Friday morning wake up straight my bed strip Jackson's bed like the bleach is going in and there is just something about what it does to my mental health. Yeah, I smell that like throughout the house. What about throw blankets? Like do you keep throw blankets anywhere? And how often do you wash those? Um, so like in kid area, I wash that throw blanket once a week

because it's only one. And then Jackson and I both have throw blankets on our bed and I wash that every Friday. So I have certain throw blankets in my living room. And I don't want anyone listening to this if you because I have learned that some of my friends listen to this and will call me out. This is not meant to be personal. Okay. So please don't take this personally. The living room throw blankets get washed every other day because I have so many that it's, I sometimes like I'm washing some and then I put new ones out. Yeah, but because

I do have company so often and I know they all we all use the throw blankets in the living room. They get and I also have dogs and I have cats and stuff like that. They get washed so fucking frequently and they have to because so many people use them. I'm I'm weird about blankets. I feel like I didn't do that as much whenever I was married, like washing it every week. But again, no one really came to our house. They're just like me, Will and Jackson. So it didn't matter that much,

but everything gets washed in my house on Friday. Yeah, no, I love that. You just get used to a schedule. I have so many white sheets though. I switch my personal bedding out so often, but I'm in the process of I have, I'm in the process of, well, I'm not doing it. Kristin and or Rebecca is doing it, ordering all the kids rooms are all getting redone this summer, everything they're getting wallpaper, they're

getting new paint, they're getting new bedding, they're getting new furniture, they're getting all new, every fucking thing. Are you so excited? Huh? Are you so excited? I'm so excited because I do feel like the rest of my house has its style, has its pieces that I've had since I moved in. And the kids just sort of have been a hot mess. Because I've switched rooms and this one wants to share

with this one and this one doesn't want to share anymore. You know what I mean? So it's sort of been a hot mess. And now that I have a daughter, she needs her own room. She's going to get the room with the bathroom that she doesn't have to share with anybody. So everybody's getting new stuff and I'm really excited for that. So hopefully I'll have a new system and day for like certain things to get washed. Also, somebody told me, came up with the idea of like every kid has their own towel color. I've always been a big white is everything because you can bleach it. Same.

And for the kids too. And that way it doesn't matter which towels go where. But she was like, well, if they have their own color, then they have to be responsible for their own color and can't say, oh, well, it's so and so's. I mean, I like that idea in theory. It's just, I know myself well enough to know that towels need bleach. So that's sort of where I'm at. Like once all the rooms get done, I don't know if I'm I know myself well enough to know that towels need bleach. So that's sort of where I'm at. Like once all the rooms get done, I don't know if I'm gonna do the color thing

or if I'm gonna do white for bleach. Oh my God, I saw this one girl on TikTok probably a couple of days ago and she said she does not use towels. She uses like those towelette things. Like she does not use, like when she takes a shower, she does not use a towel because of the germs that towels trap.

And she had used like a black light situation on towels after them being cleaned. And so now she uses these like super absorbent towelettes. And I'm like, okay, that's taking it too far. If she's that concerned about germs. She shouldn't go outside. She shouldn't wear shoes. She shouldn't like there's just so much like, like, there's just so many things that are like, I don't know. It's like one of those things where we're all doing weird shit. Like we got to pick and choose what we're doing. That's gonna make us or break us, you know, it's like one of those things where we're all doing weird shit. Like we got to pick and choose what we're doing. That's gonna make us or break us, you know, and I'm gonna

use a towel. Okay, the next listener says, What is your favorite summer dip or appetizer? I need something new for an upcoming get together. I feel like you can never go wrong bringing buffalo chicken dip in the crock pot. I do love buffalo chicken dip, hummus. We at the barbecue on Sunday, we did cheeseburger sliders. Oh God, I love slider. And we put them on the Hawaiian rolls. So those were like, they were literally this

big. So good. They were so good. And I make a bean dip with cream cheese in it. literally this big. So good. They were so good. And I make a bean dip with cream cheese in it. And so that's pretty good. I don't know. I'm a big dip girly. I love all dips.

So I am a big appetizer person. Like I would rather have finger food for my whole meal. Literally, literally. I would rather have a bunch of finger foods and like apps and a full like, especially for like a get together, like a party or something like agreed. My ex mother-in-law used to get I think they're called brassy bites. Brazy. Yeah, they're like little like roll looking things you would love them. I think she told

me that she got them at Costco and then did spinach and artichoke dip and like put those around the edge. Yeah, baked it. So it was all kind of like, together. I think that's a really good idea. I'm big on like corn salsa. I feel like that's like a lighter something. Oh, I'm gonna do this this week, you have to do it. It's the new trend that's going around of the strawberries with the chocolate chips, like where they melt the chocolate chips and put it all on a baking sheet and like break it up. So you use that as your chip. And then it's strawberries, sugar and honey,

like mixed together and you use the chocolate to dip it? I don't think I've heard of any of this. Well, it's a new trend. So am I trendier than you? Yeah, you've always been trendier than me always. But you have to do your kids like strawberries? Yeah, they love them. They like chocolate? Yes.

Okay, then you have to do it. Okay. And I know Kristen's a big chocolate covered strawberries girly too. We're gonna put Elliot up to do it. In charge, send me the recipe. I'll put him in charge. I will. Okay, next person says, am I the asshole?

Preface, this is the second time that this has happened. My husband and I always try to take a weekend or a night away together and we have four kids. I had planned for my youngest to stay with a friend and my older three kids to stay at home. And my mother-in-law was supposed to stay here until bedtime and feed them. They're older and pretty self-sufficient,

but they just needed someone to sit with them until about 8 p.m. And then my dad who lives with us would be home after. My mother-in-law took them to a pool party and then brought them home. Didn't feed them because she assumed that they had eaten at the pool party and then left. My kids were then calling and texting me

to door dash them food because they were hungry. I did have to get my dad to get him to get them food, but I am pissed that my mother-in-law left them, didn't make sure that they had eaten. And yes, they had plenty in the house to eat and they did, but I feel like she should have taken care of that. My husband doesn't understand why I'm so upset. This is sort of like what we were just talking about.

Is the stress worth doing the thing? It just sounds to me like next time, maybe use this as a learning experience next time, have frozen meals ready, that they can heat up themselves and not have to rely on mother-in-law also. Planned for my youngest to stay with a friend and my older three kids to stay home. That's interesting. I just feel like there's so many points of contact with so many people involved in that situation. Maybe there should have been like mother-in-law stay with all of them the entire time so that there's no confusion on what's going on.

Yeah. It just feels like there's a lot of moving parts and at that point I'm stressed out. So I'm either not going to go away for a really long time again, or for like, at the point that it's so it's this stressful, not happening. It's not worth it, right? No, it's not for me. And I get it, everyone needs time to themselves. I do get it. But like that to me is not worth it. Because I mean, for all that, I guess next time she knows that she should just door dash no matter what, like just do it. I'm a big fan of making stuff up like not for purposes like this, but could be used for a purpose like this. If I make like spaghetti sauce, for example, it's really hard to make

spaghetti sauce for two people. Like normally my crock pot is so full, I just bag it up, like in freezer bags, and then have like four extra meals in my freezer. I feel like that those types of situations are good for that type of situation also. Or people who are, I think one of the best things after having a baby is someone like putting together meals for you. Yeah. Well, that's what I was saying, like, either have a door dash ready to go so that you don't have to rely on mother-in-law for that specifically, or have the meals ready at home and let the older kids know. Because if they are

self-sufficient, they should be able to heat it up. I hate to like make it sound, I hate to make it sound like I'm being a bitch, but like it just sounds like that's not worth the headache. You can't really get mad at your mom, your mother-in-law, because she's just there trying to fill in gaps. That sort of falls on, like it's frustrating, but it still also falls on you as the mom. Not us agreeing with the husband. Sorry. Also, sorry. Also, before we do foul play, can we just talk about how I don't think that like Also, before we do foul play, can we just talk about how I don't think that like any door dash, Uber eats, et cetera is a convenience. Say that again.

I do not think that any service like door dash, Uber eats, et cetera is a convenience. It's a catch 22 for me because for example, here, if I ordered Buffalo Wild Wings on Uber eats, it takes a full hour to get it. So I'm exchanging one convenience for another. I don't have to physically get in my car and go get it, but I have to wait an hour. I could just make something here within the hour and not have to leave and not have to wait and probably be eating before the hour is even up.

However, my schedule doesn't always allow for that. So sometimes I'm doing an order while I'm podcasting and then I can eat really quick before the next thing that I have to do. So like it is, it's a, but then you have delivery fees, you have to tip, it's expensive. Like it's a catch 22. It's delivery fees, it's the tipping,

then the food sometimes is cold. I don't know. I know it's a hot topic. People are probably going to say that I'm crazy for that, but I just don't like it. If I have to do that, then I'm just not having whatever it is that I need to door dash. Fair. On that note, we have foul play. Hello ladies.

I just started tuning into the show and I'm absolutely hooked. I love it. I'd prefer to stay anonymous, but I had to share this wild story from my early days as a hotel manager. Back then I was stuck working a ton of second shifts. One night I ended up going out for drinks with a very attractive, with a few very attractive guys who were regular guests at the hotel. One thing led to another. And after a few too many drinks, I found myself back in one of their rooms and well, we hooked up. Here's where things get awkward. After we were done, I realized I started my period. There was blood all over the sheets. I was

mortified. He had already passed out. So I quietly grabbed my things, called an Uber and went home. The next day I was back at work and around 3pm, the same guy came to the front desk to complain that his sheets were mysteriously bloody. He claimed he had no idea what had happened. I played it cool pretending to just be baffled, to be just as baffled. To make it even more surreal, this group ended staying at the hotel for another six months. And I'm pretty sure he never realized we hooked up. Honestly, I think he was way more drunk than I was. And that was my first and definitely my last drunken hookup. I mean, imagine being so drunk that like you don't even remember hooking up with someone.

I think that's the only excuse you can use when you're drunk when you like cheat on someone is that you were literally this drunk that you don't even know what happened. I mean, this is true. Actually, somebody told me recently, like somebody that I know very well, said that he like went to this party thing. Well, actually, he went to dinner with this girl. And then they went back to this party situation. And everybody was like having a good time. And then he was like, well, I mean, I guess you can just like stay here. And she was like, all right, he said that he does not remember like at a certain point in the night or in the next

morning and he woke up with bruises all over him and he was naked. See but that's scary to me because say you're in a relationship and one person is drunk or like this situation they were both drunk. Like I don't know. You can't really hold them accountable in my opinion in this situation if they're both drunk. But what happens if one is really, really drunk? Like, I don't know, you can't really hold them accountable, in my opinion, in this situation, if they're both drunk. But what happens if one is really, really drunk? Like, is that like, could that actually be argued as something else? Because they're not like of sound mind. I mean, I would say yes.

That's really scary. Isn't that so scary? And I asked him, I was like, what the fuck you woke up with bruises? Like, did you fall? He was like, I honestly don't know. Like if I could tell you what happened, I would tell you but I woke up with bruises all over myself. And then to make the matters even worse. This person told me that he met another person that had also gone on a date with this girl. And that he had the same similar story. So he was like,

um, did she slip date? Right? That's terrifying. Is that not your thing? Yes. That's so scary. So scary. Okay. Well, that's all we have time for today. Thank you guys for always supporting our show. Please subscribe and review on the Apple podcast app, follow and read on Spotify or listen wherever you get your pods. Don't forget to follow us on Instagram and join our Facebook group to connect with us and our community. We hope that you guys have a great week and we'll talk to you soon. See ya. Pluto TV has all the shows and movies you love streaming for free.

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