Coffee Convos with Kail Lowry and Lindsie Chrisley - First Jobs, First Loves & Fake Boyfriends
Episode Date: July 30, 2026Disclaimer: This episode was recorded in early May 2026, prior to the events that have since unfolded. The conversation reflects the information and circumstances as they were at the time of ...recording.Kail and Lindsie take a nostalgic walk through their biggest firsts; from first jobs, cars, celebrity crushes, concerts, phones, and social media accounts to first bills, home-cooked meals, and saying “I love you.”What starts with McDonald’s drive-thru chaos and Kail’s imaginary relationship with a Hanson brother turns into an honest conversation about their wildly different childhoods, loneliness, family dinners, parenting, and giving their own kids the experiences they missed. They also debate whether today’s trends create real childhood memories or are just another form of keeping up with the Joneses.Plus, AIM away messages, MySpace photos, cold canned chili, and a Foul Play featuring one truly unfortunate walk home.Get your Fatherless Behavior Tour Tickets hereFor full videos head towww.youtube.com/@KailandtheChaosTo send in your Foul Plays email us at info@coffeeconvos.comThank you for checking out our sponsors!Fabletics: Shop now at Fabletics.com/coffeeconvos to get 70- 80% off everything when you sign up as a new VIP. Take a quick style quiz and be sure to select coffeeconvos when prompted to unlock this offer.Firstleaf: Stop settling for wines that don't quite hit the mark. Head to TryFirstleaf.com/coffee to sign up and you'll get fifty percent off your first box PLUS free shipping for an entire year. K12: See why more than 3 million families have chosen K12 find a K12 Powered School near you today! Go to K12.com/COFFEECONVOS to learn more.Chime: Join the millions who are already banking fee free today. Head to Chime.com/COFFEE. See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.
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I hate gift giving and receiving. Receiving gifts is so weird. What do you say thank you? This is coffee convoes with Kale Lowry and Lindsay Crissly.
I really want you to be in your feels, Kail. That does not interest me whatsoever. I feel very attacked by you.
A spirited discussion about motherhood, friendship, family.
and life in the public eye.
I'm just not with the fakery anymore.
There's a fakery bakery
around here.
Here's Cail and Lindsay.
Rolling, rolling, rolling, rolling, rolling, rolling.
Good morning and welcome back to another episode
of Coffee Convo's podcast.
How are we?
We're still on Lindsay's couch.
We've been here for days.
We've been here for days.
We're here for days with love.
And we're talking about tacos.
And honestly, I'm going to have more of Lindsay's pasta salad.
That pasta salad was banging.
If people hate when I eat on this podcast,
otherwise I would eat it right now.
You know what's so weird is I used to not be a fan of pasta salad, like whenever I was growing up,
because my grandmother always used to make, like, have you ever had it with, it's not like
pasta salad, but it's like with noodles and it's got mayonnaise in it and it has, um, what's that?
Tuna. Tuna. Tuna. Tijuana. Yeah. It's my favorite thing of all time. Oh, Nanny makes a good.
It's noodles with tuna and sometimes some people put eggs in it, like hard-boiled eggs. It's so good.
Me and you should make that tomorrow.
I love tuna noodle.
Yes.
Yeah, that would be so good.
You can also do it with chicken, but.
Okay, I can see it with chicken, like a chicken salad, but with noodles.
Yeah.
Okay, I could get behind that, but I'm a big tuna noodle girl.
Some people eat it hot.
I don't like it hot.
I don't like it hot.
I don't like hot tuna.
Hot tuna is crazy.
Smelling like somebody kucci up in here.
Well, we could get a rag.
A rag is nuts.
Okay, so on this episode,
we're going to like walk down memory lane of our life.
Oh.
And we're going to talk about like first times of things.
Okay.
Okay.
So we're going to start light and it'll go deeper as we go.
First job.
McDonald's.
What did you do at McDonald's?
Fuck shit up.
But like what was your job?
Drive through.
So you put the food out the door or out the window?
Yeah, but there's like a timer.
So you like our time.
Wait, what?
And I would.
Yeah.
I would like beat the clock.
Like I was really good.
You were a really good drive-thru attendant.
I loved McDonald's job.
Like I was picking up shifts left and right.
This might be like a hot take, but I'm going to argue my favorite fast food.
And it used to be Chick-fil-A, but I'm like way off the wagon of that now.
McDonald's is the best fast food.
I don't care.
It is.
I love it.
Like I don't care who judges us, but I love McDonald's.
I was actually watching somebody on TikTok eat like a new menu item or whatever
from there. Have you tried it? No. I haven't tried it either. What is it? We might like late night
get it. I don't know what it's called. I'm down. Count me in. You're like I'm getting it.
Shout out to Mickey D's. I actually copied your order and I regularly get it when I go to McDonald's
the double cheeseburger with max sauce. Can we believe that McDonald's brought mac sauce to dipping?
No. I don't think it's available to everywhere. I think it's only like select locations. Maybe it was
like a marketing like rollout. You know how sometimes they'll do like geographically.
whatever. Yeah, like testing it out, testing the market. Yeah, but I'm like, who would like
Mac sauce? I didn't know that was a thing. Yeah, it's a thing. I wonder if I could like ask for a
side of mac sauce. I mean, I'm sure you could. Why couldn't you? Well, I love that. Okay, my first job.
Wait, what was my first job? Oh, my first job. So my parents had a house in Florida whenever we were
growing up. So we would leave literally the last day of school, drive to Florida and then not come back
until like days before school started. And I worked at a frozen yogurt place. And I also at the same
time I was working at the frozen yogurt place. I was working at a little makeup store, but it was
like tiny. And remember when like beer minerals like had just come out? Yes. Yeah. Yes. And all the products
were like the Laura Marciet like powder situation. Every product was like that. Yes. Yes. I remember.
remember like how it was like the eye shadow but it was like in the little pod thing and you had to like
dip to brush down in there and it was like all powder yep i remember that beer minerals honestly i think
i'm too dry at this point of my life i think i'm too wet for that like my skin is so oily wet's wild
okay i'm too wet and wild too wet and wild it's crazy and then my next job was at windies but i only had
to do that job because i failed social studies and i just had to do windy's job and i also do
did drive-through. Did they have a clock there too? No. Oh, I was beating the clock. I actually jumped over
the counter to fight somebody one time. What for a patron? McDonald's on 248 in Easton. A patron
uh-huh. Why? He went to my high school. He was talking shit to my mom, like in the store.
And I was like, oh, no. Wait, were you super protective of your mom, even though you felt like she was a bad
mom? I can talk shit about her, but you can't talk shit about her. It's cardinal rule. It's like,
I can talk shit about my mom.
You can absolutely not talk shit about my mom.
Yeah.
So it was like, I'm going to fuck you up.
Okay, first car.
2001 Nissan Centra, it was red.
And it was stick shift.
That is still wild to me.
And I feel like we need to get like long form video of you teaching me how to drive a stick because I have never one time in my life ever tried.
Oh, let's do that.
Let's plan to do that at some point.
But like where are we going to find a car like that?
I think we can rent one.
Can we ask for one that's like stick shift?
Yeah. Oh, wait, I've got a funny story to tell you. So when I was talking to State Farm the other day, he was like, Miss Christley is your Bronco an automatic? And I go like, it just goes. And he's like, no. And I said, what do you mean? Like an automatic. I didn't know that's what it was called. I thought it was just like a regular car. Well, there's manual and then there's automatic. And the manual ones where you're like the stick shift out and about.
Mm-hmm. Do you think it would be hard for me to learn? I feel like it's going to be a feat, honestly. And I feel like I'm going to get very aggravated. I had to teach myself because... But how did you teach yourself that? And don't you have to have like good foot movement? So there's the clutch and then there's the gas and the brake. So you have to use both feet. Where in an automatic car, you only use one foot. You use your right foot. But in a stick shift, you use both. And then when you're putting your foot on the gas, you're
ass and like the clutch you have to like level it out and then you have to like put your foot on the
clutch to to shift every time. I think it was basically illegal to drive with two feet. Not with a clutch
not when you have stick shift. Okay. My first car was remember when like they first came out with
the retro beetle bugs? Yes. Yeah. So it was like baby blue. Are you serious? Do you have pictures
of that thing? Oh yeah. I can show you what it looks like. It looks like. That would be
be so cute. It's so crazy how like now I can't picture like these little cars look so weird. Everything
is so big. And I know people in Europe think Americans are so crazy because our cars are so big.
It looked like that. That's amazing. But don't they have also a lot of public transportation? Like it's
so much easier to like drive in Europe. But like here in America, our cars are so much bigger than Europe.
So they have like little cars little tiny like fiat or whatever they call? Do you think that people in other countries have
seven kids? You know? Okay, but I was really upset about my beetlebug, okay? What happened to it?
Well, it was, I got that whenever I got my learner's permit and that's like what I learned to drive on.
And then it was a couple of days before my 16th birthday and I was having a sweet 16 at my house and I go into
the garage and the beetle bug's just like gone. And I'm like devastated. My friends are coming over.
I'm 16. I can like whip this thing around the house. Like this is so fun.
And then it was obviously a sweet 16.
So I got a Mercedes C230 compressor.
Okay.
Was like my car that I drove on my own.
Okay.
But what did they do with the beetle?
Todd sold it to Volkswagen.
First celebrity crush.
First celebrity crush was...
Oh, I know mine off the top of my head.
Isaac Hansen.
How old were you?
seven oh wow so you had a crush like like early on i wrote letters to him where did you send them
um to probably to the fan club but actually i had my babysitter i told her what to write and i didn't
want him i didn't want them to think that i was young like what how i so i would have her write it in her
handwriting because she was an adult well teenager so she wrote what i said to write and then we mailed
it to the fan club so we were bamboozling the hans yes i love that um my first celebrity crush and
it sounds so crazy but i was in high school
I really didn't.
High school.
Yeah.
Like I didn't ever.
I've been boy crazy since seven years old is kind of diabolical.
Yeah.
I honestly thought at some point something was very severely wrong with me.
And like at this point I know there is, but.
They haven't found it yet.
They haven't found out what it is.
It's the disease.
I never had a crush until I was in ninth grade.
Honestly, that's a sign of good parenting.
But or something.
Guess what you think it is?
Guess who you think it is?
Bradley Cooper.
No, but that would be a good one. He is pretty hot. Chad Michael Murray. No. Tim the toolman Taylor.
Tim the toolman Taylor is wild. No. Tim. Tum. Toolman. Kiel's just like, I really want him to be my dad, so therefore I'm going to have a crush on him.
Not Tim the toolman. Tim, the toolman, Taylor. What does he even look like? I forget.
is that is that daddy issues this is insane like yeah can you be my dad and my daddy the
also first of all how did you just pull that out because that was her love it's in the vault
like kale what you have got to be what's his name tim allen fucking me is his name yeah tim allen
i loved him like with a hammer that guy looks like that finance guy that like
Clark Howard.
What?
Clark Howard.
Who the fuck is Clark Howard?
Is it his name Clark Howard?
Hold on.
Let me show you.
Actually, he's probably not going to look anything like him, but does it Tim Allen kind of look like, well, you should listen to his podcast.
I'm putting Clark Howard on because he comes up.
I think he was the one who invented the budgeting method of using envelopes.
No, that was the, I'm pretty sure.
No, no, no, no, no.
I don't know.
I don't budget it.
budgeting is that was somebody else that was wait maybe clark howard doesn't even do finance
hold on i don't think we're well like look at him is that bill nine the science guy that's clark
howard no that's bill nine it says wsb is clark howard professional tightwatt tightwad in
atlanta's sweetheart what is a tightwad a cheap skate how are you professional or cheap skate but is it how are you a
professional at that. Well, I don't know, Eudus, I feel like that's a title that you give yourself.
You're frugal? Yeah, frugal. Okay. Frugal McNugel. Extreme couponing vibes. Yeah. Okay.
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First celebrity crush ever was Nick Lachay.
Okay.
I could see that.
I could totally see that.
I think that that's giving he's going to look like Tim the Toolman Taylor as an adult.
Like as a grown man.
No, nobody looks like Tim the Toolman Taylor.
Like it's giving.
How does Nick Lachay with like a arm tat and spiky hair give Tim the tool man Taylor?
Well, they both are.
What world are you in?
wait explain this because I'm not letting it go lean middle-aged men that have brown hair
Nicolshea looks exactly the same as he did when he was on newlyweds and when he was on 98 degrees
I mean he looked a little greasier like on 98 degrees but he looks exactly the same I could
really get behind it so you never had a crush before high school no I used to yeah like on
mary Kate Ashley my mom's Chrysler when I was seven
and put my sweatshirt
on the seat next to me and pretend it was Isaac Hansen.
Kill.
They'd talk to him.
Like in my head, but it's like an imaginary friend.
Wait, so you would sit in the backseat of the car
and put a sweatshirt over like the seat.
Well, I would just like lay it as if my boyfriend's going to break up with me after this.
And he's going to see like trying to understand shit.
She's boss her fucking mind.
I'm sorry.
At least his name was Isaac.
So wait, was this a Hansen sweatshirt?
No.
It was just like a regular sweatshirt.
Yeah.
And I was a lonely child, Lindsay.
But can you walk me through like what these conversations were that you were having?
It was like, so what did you do today?
Oh.
She'll go back in her at it.
I said it doesn't know that
wait for that
wait what
you should listen to the podcast
I
I am honestly
concerned
you're a fake that
wait what you made it up
yes
kill you made up so much shit
just like you had
remember
remember when she said
that she would take
a picture around
and it would be
her sister?
It was pretty serious.
No, that's two separate stories.
Oh, sorry.
That's two separate lies.
Two separate sisters.
Yeah.
Yeah.
It was the picture on the keychain was me, but I would tell people it was my sister.
And her name was Melissa.
It was you?
It was me.
And having a crush on Tim, the toolman, Taylor, while all of this was transpiring,
you were talking to somebody that was a sweatshirt?
Mm-hmm.
Okay.
Have you ever been evaluated?
Is this borderline personality disorder?
It's a disease.
But did you feel like...
Lindsay, I was so traumatized as a child.
You have to understand how lonely I was.
Like, this is the same era.
This is...
Okay, so the key chain pretending it was my sister.
And Zach, or not Zach, Isaac Hanson,
because there's also Zach Hanson.
And Isaac Hanson and Tipna to Women and Taylor was all during the same era.
This was the same era that I asked my mom at Nine Woodstreet. One, I was eating mud pies. Nine Wood Street. Here we go. And second was I was asking my mom, where do babies come from? How do I get a sibling? And she said, you have to pray really hard. So I prayed really hard. And so I'm forced out of like pure trauma to like have, I was an only child. My mom neglected me. Like, what am I doing? I'm making up scenarios in my head. And then she's having a babysitter write a letter to somebody and their handwriting so that she could act like she was 16.
Kaylin
At what point did you realize he
like wasn't there?
No, I always knew he wasn't there.
Oh, so you knew.
You were aware.
I'm like really trying to under...
I'm like really trying to under...
I was...
Number one, oldest child.
And by the time I was seven,
I had a brother that was 15 months younger than me
and then my other brother was already born.
So I feel like I,
with me being the only girl
in that scenario. I was still
like so invested in Barbies.
I was so invested. I don't know if Mary Kate
and Ashley was out when we were seven or not.
Yeah, because they were in full house in the 90s.
So probably. So maybe so.
Very invested in like Spice Girls.
Oh, yeah.
Now, did I like Backstreet Boys? Yes.
But if I went into that, that was back in the day
when I was like a super reader. So I would go and get books on like
each individual Spice Girl, get all of the Barbies.
like that's the type of stuff that I was invested in at seven. And like Christine Aguilera,
wasn't that when she like came out with Jeannie and a bottle probably like around that time?
We were a little older. We were a little older. Jeannie and a bottle came out when I was in like
second, third grade. So you're like eight, nine. So you were like 10. Okay. That makes sense.
So have you always been like an amount, were you an imaginative child? Yes. Because I was when I tell you,
I think a lot of only children are like that. My early childhood before I would say,
second grade like I'm talking alone all the time like really all the time my I think that I have such a
like a conflicted feel I have conflicted feelings about only children because of my experience but
when I hear like you have an only child my hairstylist Taylor said she was one and done you guys
integrate your only children into so many different
social settings with different age kids, your friends with kids, all of those types of things.
That wasn't me. So I kind of didn't have a choice. And I wasn't a reader because my mom never
helped me with that kind of stuff. So I never was a reader as a kid. So it's not like I was like
immersing myself and like reading and that like I do now. Yeah. So I think that it was just purely
out of desperation. I mean, I know we're sitting here laughing, but also it's so sad at the same time.
You know, it's kind of like you make light of stuff that you've moved past, but like, did you really move past it?
No, I think you just learn how to cope differently as time goes on.
It becomes a different sort of trauma as you get older.
Like the trauma, the original trauma is always there, but it becomes, it conforms almost, right?
Like, I don't know how to describe it.
So, like, I'm aware of those things.
Yeah.
But, like, what do you do about it, you know?
And I didn't have cousins.
I was the only grandchild for 13 years.
That's just such a love.
lonely life and then to be neglected by your mother? And then my mom moved me from my grandparents.
So then I didn't have them either. And at that time, my mom's little brother, who I still have
a relationship with now, had started having his kids, but I had already moved hours away. So it wasn't
like I grew up like babysitting them or hanging out with them even as toddlers. I was never around
small children. So I'm wondering if that's why you have like such a, maybe that's why you have so many
kids, but also maybe that's why you're like, I would never want to have an only child. And
like, I don't understand why somebody would do that. But to your point, I think I'm raising Jackson
socialized with people, adults, other children, like all of those things. And you also take him to
go do stuff. Yes. I don't remember my, I only remember my mom taking me to Pizza Hut when I was in
sixth grade. She took me to Pizza Hut, I think once, maybe twice when she was sober on her day off. I don't
remember spending any time with my mom one-on-one.
Was she?
So it's like you socialized Jackson, but you also spend quality one-on-one-time with him.
You take him to go do stuff.
I didn't have that.
That's just such a sad and like lonely childhood.
Literally no wonder you have so many kids.
Which is weird too, though, because I was never good with kids.
Like I was never around kids.
Okay.
First concert.
Britney Spears.
Spice Girls.
Spice Girls and it was so good.
I wish I still had the T-shirt because I would wear it as a crop top now.
When did Victoria Beckham become too good for spice girls?
Because Ginger was the first one to leave, Jerry.
And I had her on Barely Famous.
She was my favorite spice girl.
Like why?
Because then it was basically like there was because Ginger Spice left.
Baby, sporty.
And what was the deal with that?
Why did she leave?
Wouldn't that be like so crazy to be?
so successful, but be a group of girls like that and then it just all kind of like fall apart.
But I could also see why it would.
But I feel like if you look at the guy groups, like there's way more longevity in those
than the girl groups, Backstreet Boys Incink.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Actually, I take that back.
I went to a, do you remember Shwayze?
That, um, they had a really like a one hit wonder.
or like two songs that were really good.
That was my first concert.
And who did you go with?
My friend Stephanie.
It was on a school night at Croc Rock Rock.
And your mom didn't like, did she buy your ticket?
Like how did you?
No, I worked at McDonald's, so I bought it.
Oh, you bought it with your McDonald's.
I was 16 by the, uh, 15 or 16 when I went to my first concert.
Well, I went to spice girls.
I had to have been little.
Yeah.
Spice Girls had to be in like the 90s, early 2000s for sure.
I had every spice girl.
Barbie and Ginger was actually the hardest Spice Girl Barbie to find. And I would call all the local
Walmarts to like see when they were going to have it. And then my grandparents would take me to get like,
because they did different drops at different Walmarts. My favorite two spice girls were scary and sporty.
But I've always felt like I've had like a little bit of masculine energy. So that always.
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First phone.
My first phone was, now,
A friend of mine in seventh grade, I got it on like a random weekday and then she broke it on that Saturday at Skateaway.
It was like a flip Motorola.
She broke it at Skateaway?
Yeah, on an accident.
I was 12 and then I never got another cell phone until I was 16.
The day, the morning after I woke up for my abortion, I had a slider, the pink kiosera slide phone.
Oh, yeah.
That one.
Okay.
And then obviously I had like a blackberry and like a slide phone.
razor, but they were all used like later on.
The first time I ever got a cell phone was in eighth grade and it was like a
hand-me-down phone from my dad. So it was kind of like a more like business phone.
Somebody stole it out of my backpack in eighth grade and I was so scared to tell my parents.
What did you do? Well, they just finally were like, Lindsay, where's your phone? And I'm like,
don't know. They're like, did you lose it? No, somebody stole it. And my
ads like well nobody else would have that phone so find out who has it and then my next phone was
I feel like it was like a pink razor yeah I got a used one that it was like broken but it served its
purpose yeah yep remember when like sidekicks were so cool I had a sidekick and like everybody
wanted them can they bring them back and it's just like the dramatic effect of a sidekick is just
amazing amazing I had one in high school I loved it and then remember back when like blackberries were so
popular? I also had it. Everything I got was like hand me down. But yeah, I had a hand me down BlackBerry too.
I didn't have the internet plan because I couldn't afford it. Because by the time I got a Blackberry,
I paid for my own phone. Yeah. So I couldn't afford the internet part of it. So I had the Blackberry,
but couldn't do anything on it. Just text and call. That was it. Defeated the whole purpose.
BBM was legit. Was it like AIM but for Blackberry? Yeah, basically. Yeah. How do you feel about
like we talked about this a long time ago but like your kids having things that are trending
and like do you feel like if you don't participate in certain trending things they're missing
out on certain aspects of their childhood?
I think back to when we were in school and it's like I've talked about the jelly shoes for
forever and I'm like that was the best and like Lisa Frank and things like that
Lisa Frank. And I feel like I would have felt so left out in those moments if I didn't have the
stuff. So I only like imagine what my child would feel like if he didn't have the stuff. But I do
think to some degree like there's too much. For sure. But like for example, my mom's ex-husband
had given me the cell phone, the Motorola one. I was in seventh grade, I think it was,
seventh or eighth grade. And then it broke. It was just the screen, but like it still worked. It was.
It was just cracked. And when he saw it, he's like, you're never getting this again. So he took it away and never gave it back. But then I do feel like everybody else had phones and was texting and I missed out on that. Yeah. And then same for like the Lisa Frank stuff. I, there are certain trends for my kids that are just basic at this point. Yeah. I could see that. I remember they're like a basic. I don't want to call it a necessity, but there are certain things that I feel like are like like like like.
Like, for example, I could never imagine sending my child to school knowing that he, like, rides the school bus home.
And he's at school and doesn't have a cell phone.
Yeah.
Like, I don't know.
Our kids don't necessarily need to have cell phones.
But I feel safer with him having a cell phone.
So that wasn't necessarily like, I'm purchasing this for you because it's trending because everybody else has it.
It's more of, I want you to have this.
So if you ever need to get in contact with me, you're like one button away.
So I wonder what that was for my parents.
And my parents, I mean, my mom and whoever she was with at the time, right?
Like, you didn't care if I couldn't call you?
Or like, I don't know.
Well, I think it's the priorities just weren't there.
Like, that wasn't a priority to them.
I'll be honest with you.
There's not a time.
Lincoln's older now before Javier and I used to take it away when he wouldn't be, you know, consequences or whatever.
But like now taking a cell phone away is now.
never going to be a punishment. Like that's just not a punishment because that is a means to
communication. That is a lifeline at this point. That is and it's weird because I'm like,
I'm trying to think of other things that sort of fall into it. We're the same people that say that
though. And then out of a different breath, we're like, we wish that school went back to what it
used to be where it was pen and paper. And like there is something that I think kids miss out on today
that we had back in the 90s that they'll never be able to relate to, right?
Like, there's so much more grown now than we were at their ages.
Like, I look at Jackson at 13, and yeah, like, he, you met him yesterday.
And I feel like he's very kidlike, like he's, I don't feel like he's growing up too fast.
He is, you know, into just basketball and needos right now, right?
he doesn't really care about having the trending stuff but like I will notice when it gets time
for his birthday or Christmas he'll put it on a list and it's like like the Nike elite backpack
for example he's like everybody has that backpack and I'm like yeah Jackson but I just bought
you a North Face backpack like three months ago so I'm not buying you a new backpack and then I'll
get it for him like I'm not I'm not a parent that's going to buy it immediately just because it's
trending just because he wants it. So Alessandra just said, you literally put what I'm thinking of
into words. So Alesson, I was asking about like Lisa Frank and like the cell phone thing,
Alessandra basically is saying like today, the trending things are more materialistic where
when we were growing up, it was more of like a childhood experience. Yes. Like Lisa Frank was a
childhood experience. Yes. The jelly shoes was a childhood experience. Like those types of that. That's what I was,
that's what I was trying to say. Like, do you ever feel like, like that? There are certain things
that I'm like, I don't like the Nidos is a childhood experience to me. Like, yes, it's trending. I think
Nidos falls under both. Yeah, I agree. But there are certain things that are just materialistic.
Like, would you say that Stanley is materialistic? Or would you say that that's a childhood experience?
I would say it's materialistic. And they're watching like for girls specifically, they're watching like the Alex
Earls that are, you know, doing these makeup videos and they're like, okay, well, now I need to go to
Sephora. Like, that is her target audience. Hmm. Hmm. I don't know that I would, I mean, I don't know.
I don't have a daughter. So I'm talking about boys too. I don't know. I think boys go through it
just as much. Okay, what was your first social media account? Zanga.
MySpace. What's Zanga? It's like a blog.
It's like you like logging.
Yeah.
It's like, and you do like a layout and the falling.
It was like my space before my space, but no top eight.
And then like you put like what you did that day.
But like what would you say?
Well, I got in trouble one time because when I went to Mexico with Ariel,
we took pictures on the plane and stuff like going to Mexico.
And we she put like, first of all, her mom, her parents let us drink.
I didn't.
But mudslides.
They're like 2% alcohol.
My parents used to drink mudslides.
And she's like drunk before we got off the plane.
First of all, we were 14.
We weren't drunk.
Like, no, I didn't even drink on the plane.
She had mudslides while we were in Mexico.
And my neighbor told on me and was like, she wrote this on her Zanga.
And it was like pictures of us like in Mexico.
And it was like, we went to Mexico.
And like it was just like a blog.
So told your mom?
Yeah.
My mom didn't say anything about the Mexico thing.
She didn't give a fuck.
Myspace was crazy.
Like think about like the MySpace.
space days that was back at the same time when I feel like we used AIM or AIM, you know, and that was
really like the life. That was a childhood experience. That wasn't just because it was trendy. That was an
experience. Yes. And an experience that a lot of us didn't need to have. Oh, I didn't have it until I was in
high school. Aim was like crazy though, because I remember putting up some of the most diabolical, like,
away messages. And it would be away for like 14 days because I wasn't allowed back on the computer.
and it's like be right back, don't respond to me because Todd might see it.
Like that's my away message that everybody's getting.
Like what is going on?
But like what were you all talking about in there?
The conversations, my, the dinosaur of a computer that I would use, first of all,
I wasn't supposed to be on it.
And second of all, it would like restart or like glitch and it would take me out of the chat
rooms and then I would never get to talk to those people ever again.
Oh my gosh.
See, you know, I was actually terrified of strangers.
I'm still terrified of strangers.
but could never be me.
Do you think the Hansons will, like, reach out and be like, let's meet?
No kill.
I think you're past the time, you know?
You should be back to that.
Oh, I forgot about that song.
Do you all remember back when, like, you couldn't get Facebook unless you had a college email
account?
No.
I must have joined after that from Ariel's computer.
I could not wait to get on Facebook because all the seniors, when I was a junior, they were
all making Facebooks when they got accepted to college.
just got the college email and I'm like, how do I somehow get accepted to a school without applying
and getting the email so I can get on Facebook? Like I was ready to be on Facebook. Yeah, they must have
opened it by the time I got to it because it was. You used to have to be invited by somebody who already
had it. I think that might have, I think Ariel might have invited me or told me about it because I remember
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I wish I could get into my college Facebook because what you guys would see, you would be like, what the actual fuck.
Remember like the digital cameras and we would just load the like SIM cards or whatever they're called into a Facebook album.
And it's like it didn't matter if the picture was good or not.
No, we just uploaded it.
It just was everything that was in the.
You don't want to see what.
So some of the girls that I went to school with are coming to our Philly show.
And one of them logged into their photo bucket last week and sent me a picture.
shirt. You're not ready. I used a fake email so I can't reset my password. What's a photo bucket?
I don't think I ever had that. It's like this place that you could like upload like pictures.
Kiel, this was you? Mm-hmm. Wait, these were the kind of photo. Yeah, these are the types of photos I'm
talking about like back in the day. Like, what were we doing? And the, um, Hollister jackets with the
fur hoods. The Hollister jackets with the fur hood. Or the Abercrombie jacket with the fur hood.
Okay, were we Hollister or Abercrombie? I couldn't afford either one. So it was whatever was on
clearance. Hollister jeans and Abercrombie jeans at that time did not make them for even though I was
very like an average size. Yeah. I probably wore in high school like a size eight or a size 10. They
didn't have a big selection in those sizes. So I could only fit into their tops. And usually it was I
got Ariel's hand-me-downs. Shout out to Ariel. Ariel was really like doing the most for you.
Yeah. I love that. When was the first time you ever wore makeup? Um,
Sixth grade. I had acne really bad.
I was in, yeah, sixth grade when I went to middle school.
I started reading foundation in sixth grade.
Oh, really? Oh, I wasn't allowed to wear a foundation. I was allowed to just like wear eye stuff and lip gloss, I think.
If Susie said I wasn't allowed to do something, I would have punched her in the face.
See, yeah, I wasn't trying to do all that.
Me and my mom used to fist fight. You did? What would happen?
Nothing.
So y'all would just fist fight each other and then like go to bed?
Mm-hmm.
Would you be doing this while she was drunk?
Yeah.
Only when she was drunk or like fucked up.
Really?
Mm-hmm.
It was the sound of her voice that would literally, like, thinking about it right now,
sends me to another fucking orbit.
What, like her drunk voice?
Uh-huh.
And like, she wasn't a mean drunk, but, like, it just got under my skin to the point where
it would just send you, like, over the edge.
Mm-hmm.
But, like, how would the fight start?
I don't know.
They just escalated to a fist fight.
Wow.
Yeah.
I don't think I wore foundation until, I think it was in ninth grade.
I don't think I was allowed.
Because you probably had good parents.
I don't think Todd was greenlighting that.
Okay, first time you ever paid a bill.
If I had to guess, maybe 16, I had to start paying my own phone bill, so 16.
I used to have to physically go into T-Mobile and pay my bill.
I don't think I ever paid a bill until I started paying like big bills.
You know what I mean?
Like, and I know that that's fortunate for me and I was like blessed.
But I don't think I ever paid a bill until I paid for my like HOA at my condo and like utilities.
Oh, okay.
like in college or something okay well because my parents they they bought me a condo but I had certain bills
there that I was responsible like I worked at my parents office and I was responsible for certain of those bills
so they paid the mortgage but it was in a building that had an HOA okay and the dues for the HOA alone
were $800 a month in that building that's a hefty bill yeah so I was responsible for paying that
And then for my TV, like direct TV, I think I had back then and power.
And I think water was included in the HOA.
But I was responsible for paying those bills.
And I'm pretty sure that's the first time I ever paid a bill.
Oh, wow.
I mean, those are big bills to be your first bill.
I know.
That's crazy.
But my parents let me save, like, for a long while because I lived at home when I was a
freshman in college.
And that was kind of like the rule.
My parents were like, okay, you're only 45 minutes from school.
you have a job prove yourself to like prove that you can be out on your own by yourself i had a
curfew i had to be home at 11 o'clock unless i was sleeping out with like sorority sisters or whatever i was
not allowed to come in that house after 11 o'clock todd put on that alarm and it would not be going off
how do you feel about like jackson paying bills or anything like that you know as he gets older um
like what about like for example car insurance or stuff like that
I don't know. I feel like people are going to beat me up for saying this, but I feel like as long as he lives at home and I'm not saying like, okay, he's living at home and he's 25 years old and I'm still going to be doing it. But I do feel like if I am in a position to where Will and I can pay it, like, as long as he's in school and doing something productive in society and like possibly has a job, then I wouldn't make him pay for it.
Yeah, I, Elliot doesn't pay for his like car or anything.
I'm not saying it's wrong if a parent chooses to have their child do that to like learn responsibility.
But I don't know.
I think I would just want Jackson to save his money and we could do it for as long as we could.
I was on my parents' dental, vision and medical until I expired out.
And then I had to get my own.
I was just about to say, I think Elliott's quote for car insurance is like over 600.
$100. So like he couldn't, I mean, yes, because he does social media and he makes a good amount of money from social media. But as we all know, social media is it ebbs and flows. Yeah. So one month he might make $3,000 and the next month he might make $250. So like it's not even a realistic expectation for me to expect him to pay for $600 of car insurance. I don't know if this is true, but I'm going to say it because I think it is true.
I think that I was a authorized driver on my parents' insurance.
Does that sound right?
I don't know how that works.
All I know is I pay a lot of money for Elliott's insurance.
Okay.
Next question.
First time you said, I love you.
14.
Who was it?
John Leschcoe.
We were in a relationship for one year.
One year at 14.
We dated from eighth grade to ninth grade.
Oh, wow.
So I had a boyfriend when I was, I didn't have a boyfriend until I was in a junior in high school.
And he was a junior in college.
He was my dad's intern.
And I could never say I love you.
I would always say I'm in like with you.
Like I couldn't do it.
And the first person I ever told in a relationship that I would always say, I'm in like with you.
I loved them was Will.
That's really sweet, actually.
That's really sweet.
Yeah, but I just couldn't.
And I'm like, who came up with?
I'm in like with you.
That sounds like something I would have said.
Like, I don't throw around.
I love you.
I love you very often.
I feel like it's such a serious statement to make to somebody just like off the rip.
Yeah.
And so I never, and I had in my mind, I think because I didn't have a boyfriend for so long,
like I was almost out of high school by the time I had one, that I was so committed to,
like, trying to save myself for marriage. And the person that I was going to be with would be
the person that I would tell I love you for the first time. So I think some of that's raising, too.
Right. Absolutely. And Kail's just like, I love my sweatshirt. Oh, I loved Isaac Hanson and Taylor
Hanson and Zach Hanson. I loved them. When I went to college, I said, I'm not, I liked my high
school boyfriend. And we dated over a summer and like into the fall, but he went back to
Auburn. And I'm like, this is just like not going to work out. He's hanging out with girls who
are like on the cheerleading squad at Auburn. Obviously, this guy is not going to give a fuck
about me. You know? And so I would see pictures like surface of him with like cheerleader girls.
And I'm like, okay, well, I don't want to be in a relationship ever again. And then I got to
college and I said, I'm only going to focus on school and school of my sorority. And then I met Will
the first month that I was in college. He was at a mutual friend's apartment spitting grisly
wintergreen into his carpet. What a story. And you're like, and the rest is history. The rest is
history. Yeah. And then he got my number and I pretended, I will never forget this. Like the first time he
ever text me. He was like, hey, it's me. And we had been like chatting, you know, like the
Facebook chat. Yeah. And so we had been chatting on Facebook and I gave him my number. And then he
immediately texted me. And I said, who is this? It's me. Like as if I didn't know that I just gave
him my phone number. I wanted like play hard to get, you know, like you can't have me. Period.
And now you all have a little, a little boy. A little bambino. A little bambino.
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Oh, I would love to know this one, actually.
The first time you cooked a real meal.
2011.
What was it?
Tacos.
That's the first time ever?
I was in my first apartment.
2011. I had just moved out of Joe's parents' house, and I got my first apartment with Elliot,
and I had never cooked ground beef before. Really?
I was, I guess, 19 or 20. Wow. And to think that you were a mom so much earlier,
did Joe's parents cook for y'all? Sometimes. But like, what would y'all eat if you weren't cooking?
Fast food. Oh, eat out all the time. It's probably why you're
don't eat out now. That's not to say we don't order in. Oh, that is true. I guess y'all do do that.
When was the first time you cooked? I grew up in a cooking house. So I feel like-
Are your parents cooked for you? Like growing up, it wasn't like takeout all the time? Oh, no.
We rarely ever had takeout. And if, I mean, if we ate out somewhere, it would be like an Italian
restaurant or a Mexican restaurant or maybe like cheesecake factory. If we went to the mall,
like they were certain like sometimes we would go to the food court if we were like shopping or remember we're like sparrow pizza or whatever it's called
yeah i still love sparrow yeah i still love sparrow it's so good um but i grew up in a cooking house like there was
never a night that i can recall in my childhood that julie didn't have like a full meal on the table
like a fresh a fresh batch of sweet tea was made every single night for dinner um
Um, always like, aside, if we were having lasagna, it would be like a pan of lasagna and a
fresh salad with homemade ranch dressing, garlic bread.
Like, that was just like the norm in my house.
Lindsay?
Mm-hmm.
Mm-hmm.
No.
No what?
Is that a Southern thing?
I mean, I'm not saying that we never, like, got takeout, but it was so few and far between
that I can't really, like, ever remember doing it.
Like, in the summertime, we would eat mostly vegetables.
So, like, fried okra, fried chicken, green beans, squash.
I had fried okra for the first time in September.
Susie didn't cook and didn't order takeout.
I know, honey, you starved.
Like there was no cooking ever, but there was also not takeout either.
But it also breaks my heart sitting here thinking about my childhood.
And like obviously, yes, I've had my differences and stuff with my parents publicly.
But as far as them being like good and present parents, they were always good and present parents.
And there was never a night that we would have ever gone to bed hungry.
There was never any dirty clothes that were in the laundry room, like constantly
running laundry, constantly making sure where we needed to be like all of the things.
That is so fascinating to me because, I mean, like, I am genuinely trying to rack my brain
thinking of a time that my mom ordered takeout and there was no takeout.
I don't remember my mom ever ordering Chinese food.
I don't remember my mom ever ordering pizza.
I remember my childhood friend Sarah would order pizza on Fridays if I stayed the night at her
house.
I remember pizza over there.
I don't remember takeout.
And I know my mom never cooked.
She made one meal in ninth grade.
That just breaks.
Honestly,
it breaks my heart.
But then it's like contributing, I think contributed to like I hate cooking.
Like I'll do it if I have to, but I don't like it.
There's not a single part of it that's enjoyable to me.
But I also don't like eating out.
So it's like, but I make sure in some way something is made from my kids.
Like whether it's takeout, whether we make it, whether it's, I don't care.
if it's from the freezer. Like my kids are going to eat. And we were big on family dinners.
Like everybody ate at the same time. And my sister and I always were in the kitchen. Like I had a
task. She had a task. I always was the kitchen cleaner at night. Would start the dishwasher.
Make sure everything's clean up. Counters wiped off. Somebody set the table. And we all sat as a family
together every single night of my childhood. I love that. That's actually really really.
cool. Yeah. And I mean, like in the summertime, it was always like a grill, you know, and it's like
cababs or grilled chicken and baked beans and potato salad and like all the things. There was never a
night in my childhood that I can ever recall that we did not have like an overabundance of like,
I mean, she cooks for an army. I do kind of feel.
like crock pot meals are very common in the south more so than the north Julie would put like
cube steak in the crock pot or a roast in the crock pot before we went to school and come home and
it just like fix the sides and stuff but like kale like homemade macaroni and cheese like
I come from the best family of cooks the best I don't even have anything to say because I don't
know I have no experience with that whatsoever so like what's an average meal in your house now
Um, we eat a lot of pasta tacos, rice, we eat rice a lot.
Do you all grill at all?
Yeah, he does kabachi on the grill on the black to, uh, what is it called?
Blackstone.
Yeah.
So like rice, chicken, egg.
Um, I'm trying to think a lot of pasta because it's easy.
It's quick.
Everybody eats it.
I'm a big vegetable person.
He's not a big vegetable person.
The kids, it's hit or miss.
Elliot's a big salad eater.
So it just depends.
But like what's for breakfast?
Lincoln makes himself eggs.
The kids will eat cereal, bagels.
So he can do it himself.
Yeah.
Oh, yeah.
Jackson's not touching the stove.
That would be an absolute disaster.
I will show you what his breakfast typically looks like.
Love.
That's great.
It's like cinnamon rolls, couple pieces of bacon, banana, and a yogurt.
Love.
That's great.
That's great.
But he's always been, it's so weird.
Like, are your kids like this?
where they get in a routine of they want the same stuff over and over and then they'll come to you
and they're like, I don't like that. Yes. And you're like, okay, are you hyper fixating? That's your hyper fixation
meal? Like, because I also do that. So, but my kids are like that in the morning. Y'all, I used to be
like that with Chipotle right before I got divorced. I would eat it every single day. But then you
stopped. Yeah. I don't think I've had it since. I'm not a big, there was a small period of time where
he got me on to Chipotle, but I do not eat Chipotle. When I,
I had my job at Wendy's. I would always bring, my dad loves the Wendy's chili. And I'm like,
if you ever saw what it looked like coming out of the bag, you would never eat that, sir.
It's like Hormel. I fuck with Hormel chili. Really? But I also grew up on it. My nana made it for me.
I thought Hormel was like what you put on a hot dog. Probably. But it was in a fucking can. I'd eat
it cold. I'm talking about chili with like beans in it. Yeah, I'm talking about Hormel chili. I love it.
Does Hormel have beans in it? Yeah, you can get it with or without.
And you love it.
I love it.
I need it cold, hot, whatever.
I don't care.
Shout out to Susie.
Cold is basically dog food.
Yes.
That to me would remind me of a can of dog food.
But I fuck with it.
If we went to the store right now and got hormone chili, I would fuck it up.
I think about the kids today and I'm like, they're not going to have any thing that we had.
And I feel like they're just growing up so fast that like time's not slowing down.
And there's always new trends.
Like, again, I'm going to blame social.
media for everything. I know it's not just social media. It's like technology in general.
It's just a technology. And I feel like we had to actually go outside and play. Like we had
razor scooters. Like we had kneecaps that were burn off. Like I had skip it. We played
manhunt. Yes. Yes. We would do that like on Friday night. I mean, despite being neglected,
there are good memories I had just like running the streets and just having a blast. But yeah,
I don't know what these kids today, they're not going to have.
There's nothing to look forward to.
Like when we were young, it was like looking forward to getting a cell phone.
Kids are getting cell phones at six and seven years old.
Kids are getting iPads.
They have iPads before they have cell phones.
So like the cell phone is not a big deal to them.
But I think about the stories that we tell.
And I'm like, that was actually like living and being children.
Yeah.
I think about when my child has a child, what are his stories going to sound like to them?
because they're not going to be as interesting as ours for sure.
Robotic as fuck.
Everything is going to be so cookie cutter.
Yeah.
So like what do you like it'll be more like a competition of who has what and what they who has what first.
And it's not going to be the same as like waiting for a Disney Channel movie to drop at,
um, 8 p.m.
Eastern standard time.
You know what I mean?
Like it's not going to be that.
It's going to be some fucking flying vehicle.
Because I almost feel like we live in a society where it's keeping up with the Joneses for everything.
Even adults do it with each other.
Yes.
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On that note, we're going to do foul play.
Hey, ladies, not my foul play.
But I'm about to throw my husband under the bus as he deserves.
We were on holiday about a week ago now.
We'd been to a sports bar, had a few drinks and decided to go to a steakhouse.
After sitting down and ordering food, he took a turn and said he felt sick.
I told him to stop being dramatic and he would be fine once our food came out.
out. Anyway, our food came and I think the smell of it tipped him off a little bit. Anyway, the kids,
yes, our kids were present, eight and 13. We started digging into our food and I asked the waiter
to wrap up my hubbies and he wasn't 100% and he 100% wasn't eating it. Anyway, I'd finish and
nipped to the toilet. I feel like this person's from the UK. Oh, for sure from the UK.
You know? On coming back, my kids were looking at me with what the fuck is happening faces and my husband,
my hubby was being sick at the table. And yes, the table on the table everywhere. The waiter was on his way
with a bucket. So I was fucking mortified. Why his ass couldn't have gone outside or the fucking toilet,
I never know. Anyway, I paid up, chucked a 20 euro tip and went. Ladies, this story does not
end yet. As we're walking back to the apartment, my husband then decides he needs to shit. I told him,
hold it until we're near home. He said he couldn't. He stopped me. Kids carried on walking.
and we stopped, we stopped to look where he was.
He just stood there leaning against a wall.
My initial thought was he was having, that he was having a minute.
How wrong was I?
That grown-ass 34-year-old man had stood and took a fucking shit in his pants.
Me and my kids were cacking the whole way back and kept getting whips of him.
He owes us big time.
Love you, ladies.
Three years old, it took a shit.
34.
34 years old and took a shit in his pants.
I resonate with that.
I'm sorry.
That's unfortunate.
it. And you know that she meant business when she tipped because I don't think it's customary to tip in Europe.
Really? No, you don't tip. I didn't know that. I think they make like actual living wages.
So like she probably just did the tip because of the throw up. But like, I mean, sometimes your body does revolts against you.
Like what do you want from us? Like throwing up on a table in a restaurant and asking for a bucket is really wild work.
But like nothing. She said, why couldn't he get up and go?
go to the bathroom or, but like, have you ever been in a situation where you're about to throw up
and there is, you cannot move. You are stunned still. Stunned still. Well, Jackson used to do that.
When he first threw up for the first time ever, he threw up in the carpet and I almost lost my
fucking, but like he didn't know, he was like, what's that? Like, because he didn't know what throw
up was. And I'm like, you need to learn how to make it to the toilet. Like, there's a reason that
there's a toilet and we don't throw up on carpet. So now when he gets sick, I'm like, I'm not doing
all of this fucking shit. Like, I'm putting a blow-up mattress or a sleeping bag in the bathroom
floor and that's where you're sleeping. When I was a kid and I would throw up, I had a hard time
moving because I would be like stunned still kind of. Did you get sick a lot as a kid?
Just a couple times that I remember. I do remember one time it was the apartment my mom got evicted
out of and I got sick and I literally like it was the middle of the night and I was by myself
and I literally like rolled over and just vomited everywhere. That's so crazy because one of my
girlfriend said that her girls will like wake up in the middle of the night if they've got like
a stomach bug or something and then she'll find throw up in their bed in the morning and I'm like
are we just immediately waking up and then all of a sudden it's just like projectile vomit?
That happened to me one time. Also one time I remember because my grandparents had a room for me at
their house and I woke up in the middle of the night and I peed on the floor. Have you ever gone
to the bathroom in the middle of the night and the toilet like the top parts down and it's
sit on it. You sit on it and then there's pee going everywhere.
That happened has happened more times I would like to admit.
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