Coffee Convos with Kail Lowry and Lindsie Chrisley - Flight Disturbance, Kohberger Updates & a Thanksgiving Fee

Episode Date: November 28, 2024

CC385: Kail and Lindsie give their thoughts on a viral video of a child acting out on an 8hr international flight, a mom gets arrested for leaving a child at home, and Roblox updates their parental controls. Also, Lindsie updates us on the recent Kohberger news and how it's starting to feel a little concerning. Listeners ask help on boundaries with neighbors, a family member charging $50 at Thanksgiving dinner, and today's Foul Play reminds us to always exit out of NSFW tabs before family trivia night. Thank you to our sponsor! Better Help: This episode is brought to you by BetterHelp. Visit BetterHelp.com/coffee today to get 10% off your first month.Blue Nile: Shop at BlueNile.com, the original online jeweler since 1999!DraftKings: New players can get $100 INSTANTLY IN CASINO CREDITS with just a $10 wager! Download the DraftKings Casino app and sign up with promo code COFFEEProgressive: Visit Progressive.com to learn more!Qualia: Go to Qualialife.com/coffeeconvos for up to 50% off and use code COFFEECONVOS at checkout for an additional 15% off

I hate gift giving and receiving. Receiving gifts is so weird. What do you say thank you? This is Coffee Convo's with Kale Lowry and Lindsey Chrisley. I really want you to be in your feels Kale. That does not interest me whatsoever. I feel very attacked by you. A spirited discussion about motherhood, friendship, family and life in the public eye.

I'm just not with the fakery anymore. There's a fakery bakery around here. Here's Kailin Lindsay. Good morning and welcome to another episode of Coffee Combos podcast. Did your son literally ask me if I was Gypsy Rose? Yeah, it's like he looks so pretty and he goes, is that Gypsy Rose? What? Who is that? Lux? It's Lincoln. He's homesick. Oh my God. I feel like it has been a whirlwind of bullshit for the last, what's more than 72 hours?

Before that. 90 hours has been a whirlwind of bullshit. I have to tell you this crazy story that I did not tell you in person when we were in LA, like on purpose because I wanted to say it on the podcast. So I was going through security in Atlanta when I was on the way to LA. And you know, I'm a big people watcher. And I don't know why this was happening. But there were the like when you're in the security line, you're like weaving around. So you'll be facing one way and then like the next line is facing the opposite way. So there was this couple

and I don't know where you're going with this. I've never seen this before in person. Like my face is getting hot. He had a boner. What? Yeah, like he was standing behind her. And he was standing behind her. And when he moved his body from her, he had a boner. Okay, so but here's the thing, where is the line between like, it's a natural situation and it's sexual assault because that's insane.

I don't know, but he also was wearing gray sweatpants and I just want to like make note that it is gray sweatpants season. And if you're with me, don't wear gray in public. Don't wear gray in public if you are prone to getting boners. No, just don't wear gray in public because I'm crazy. That's ballsy to wear. If someone sees your dick, I'm pissed. But why would that? Why would there be a tent situation in an airport?

Like nothing about that situation should. He was like hugged up on the back of her. And they were looking at stuff on their phone and he was hugged up on the back. And when they pulled apart, I mean, you couldn't miss it. Like you just, it was like way out there. Yikes. I, I don't think that he thought anyone would see it. I felt assaulted.

See, that's what I'm saying. I'm like, that's a, that should be illegal in public. I didn't, I don't have any stories about traveling to LA outside of I never want to do an LA 24 hour trip. It really I had PTSD from when I used to do them for these lives on Teen Mom like around the time that Lincoln was like one or two. MTV used to fly me out. And Kristen would be my support person and I was pregnant and they used to fly me out every single like red eye into Monday situation. And it was the same sort of hours as we were there. When I emailed hobby to tell him like, Hey, like going out of town or whatever. I actually think he emailed me. I was like, he was like, you're going to LA

for 24 hours. And I was like, yeah. Yes, sir. Yes, sir. It's a great opportunity and it may be a short turnaround, but we'll make it happen and be sleep deprived. And then I also got the same question. Why is someone going to LA for 24 hours? And it's like, well, that's the only time that the schedule allows. So seems like we're going to be there for 24 hours and also hate our lives. So like this is not, it was a choice, but it like also was sort of, it was necessary sort of, you know what I mean? Like we were forced round up the troops were headed over. I was telling Kristen yesterday, I was like, um, if anybody asked what we did all day, we made

TikToks. That's all we did. We went to LA for 24 hours to make TikToks. Oh, not for real. For real? He needs to see our TikToks because we're pretty good at it. He would laugh. I think Isaac would be appalled. Isaac would be like, what sort of lighting is this? What is going on? Speaking of out of control and travel things, I need you to listen to this TikTok and tell me immediately what you would do. Okay. For some context, while Kristin gets it up on the screen. is screaming for an eight

He is this is not a regul describe an eight hour fl They even covered their e out the three year old. His mom was overheard telling flight attendants he has behavioral problems. Passenger Shane Townley shot the video. She kind of looked like she was used to it. He was climbing all over the chairs. He was just screaming, would not let up.

He was running up and down the aisles. There was nothing she could do. Before the plane even took off from Germany, the child's mother could be heard asking a flight attendant to turn on the wifi so the child could be appeased with an iPad. She was also heard pleading, calm down honey. Everybody was just kind of looking at each other like,

oh this is gonna be a long flight. The passengers sure were relieved when the flight finally landed at Newark International Airport after eight hours of screaming. The worst flight ever happened in August, but the video just came to light today. So what should you do to control

an unreal child on a plane? Okay, I have actually lots of thoughts on this. Number one, I feel like children with behavioral issues, I could imagine why that would be going on. I also don't love the fact that because the child has behavioral issues that she is using technology to like soothe the child. I feel like that's a parenting fail.

Also putting a child with behavioral issues, like known behavioral issues on an eight hour flight, that's like borderline child abuse. Like for the child. For the child, yeah. I have racked my brain trying to think of alternatives for this situation because obviously the mom, it was out of the mom's control to some degree, right? Because you cannot predict necessarily when a child's going to

act out in this way. I just, when it's not like a baby crying, so you can't help that, right? Like that's the unfortunate side of flying commercials. Like you can't always predict if your child is going to cry. But that level of behavioral issues that is now... I don't know what the alternative is outside of suggesting to fly private that nobody can afford. So I truly have no idea. I also don't know what I would have done for eight hours. That's next level. I just also feel like why did she put a child with known behavioral issues on an eight hour flight? Could it possibly have been like a funeral, family arrangement?

I mean, I don't know. Like, is that a situation? And I don't know this. So I'm literally asking a question. So before anyone who's listening to this rips my fucking head off, is something like that, is there medication for something like that? Like would a doctor be able to per like, I'm not saying like a Benadryl to put him to sleep, but like something to keep him calm?

I don't think that that's something that should be medicated for. I feel like that is something that needs to be remedied at home. And I would never put my child in a situation to where I would have to be embarrassed or have to answer for something like that or put them in a situation to where they feel like everybody's watching them. Because surely everyone was uncomfortable, right? Like the child, the mom, all the people. I get what you're saying about the medication thing, but if it was something, not just behavioral

problems, but maybe like a diagnosis that comes with the behavioral problems, if there's... And I don't... I know this sounds horrible, but I'm literally asking. So again, please don't... This is just for my knowledge. In the book I'm reading right now, they sedate a cat for travel. They give them they gave them like a sedative to like keep them, keep the cat calm for the plane ride. If this is a medical diagnosis, like, I just don't, I, and it's a necessary trial. I don't know. I truly have no idea. I know Kristen wrote a note. She was like, this gave me so much anxiety, just listening to the clip only. And that's sort of how I felt. Like I almost wanted to cry for the mom and for the child because I was like,

obviously this isn't somewhere that you want to be and you don't wanna act like this, but it like gave me anxiety for the people, but it made me, it broke my heart for the parent and the child. Also, I would be pissed off at the person who videoed my child like that. So- I understand the disruption to the travel and being inconvenienced and like all of

those things, but I just don't think videoing somebody else's child is appropriate. I would agree. But here's my next question. From a business standpoint, do you believe that the airline should reimburse some of these passengers for that. And maybe the video was necessary for that purpose to prove how, what's the word, how insane it was? I don't know. I'm conflicted on that too, because that's not really like an airline issue. While the common part was them using the airline to travel, the child's behavior was not an airline issue. So if they start just reimbursing people for all of these types of things, I don't think that as a business owner, I just think that that's not smart.

Could that have been considered an emergency landing situation? I would think so. If it's an eight-hour flight and there is a child like that, because it's also a safety issue at that point. If the child's running up and down an aisle, standing on... I mean, from that video, the child was standing on the armrest, like over the seats, up and down the aisle. That, to me, is a safety issue and a reason for emergency landing

and also allows other people to get off of the flight. Reimbursement, I don't think so though. I think you're just like in it. When you choose to get on a commercial flight, I mean, there are certain things that like you should not have to deal with, but there are things that you have to deal with. I don't know that that falls into the category of something that you have to deal with. You think it doesn't?

No. What about like a mother traveling with an infant? I think an infant crying is way different than that like high pitch screaming and climbing all over the place. Kristen brought up a good point and asked, do we think that airlines should have adult only flight options? I mean, yeah, but I couldn't see them doing that. Agreed. Agreed. In a perfect world, there would be flights that are for adults only.

That is people that really don't, but there are maybe moms that want to travel with other moms so that they feel seen, feel heard. But obviously we know that will never happen. Kristin said, without a kid, I wanted to cry from anxiety because I clearly have SPD and charge a premium, she said, for flights that are adult only. This episode is brought to you by BetterHelp. I feel like I have skipped therapy the last two weeks and I'm not well. I can definitely tell a difference in you when you don't go to therapy, and it's also just something that you rely on. I know that about myself in therapy and I'm not well. I can definitely tell a difference in you when you don't go to therapy and it's also just something that you rely on. I know that about myself and therapy

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to other passengers that they should have the authority to charge your card like an inconvenience fee? Um, for this situation, no, because I feel like with a child, that's not, I personally can't see it. Now, if you turn around and you get belligerently drunk and you're an absolute disgrace to the human race, um, as a human being, yeah, I would say you should be able to do that because you said it, you're disgraced.

But yeah, like if you're belligerly drunk, you're throwing up, you're shitting all over the place, I don't know, something outrageous for one person who is in charge of themselves. But when you have a mother and a child, I do think it's a little bit different because you do have to take into account behavioral issues. Maybe there's a diagnosis or something like that. But I also, I just don't know what the alternative is for a mom because this is an overseas flight. So if they're flying from Germany to Newark International Airport, I just don't even know. Like I don't know what you, maybe that was like necessary travel. Like, I don't know.

Could you also imagine if you were like a business professional on that flight and you were traveling for like work meetings or something, the level of anxiety that you would have when you got off of that flight? Kristin said charging someone an inconvenience fee regarding that whole situation. If that is not going directly to the people who were impacted by the inconvenience, then it doesn't make sense. Like, that's not, like the airline shouldn't get to collect funds based on the inconvenience of other people. I get that too.

I just think that it would maybe make people think if that woman knew that her child had such severe behavioral issues before boarding that flight. I think it's kind of like, Kristin and I were talking about school bullying and how to like really get a grasp on that situation. And I do think that the more that it's taken seriously and the more that there are consequences for those things, it's like this trickle down effect. So that was my point on that. Like it might deter someone from making the choice to put a child with severe behavioral issues on an eight-hour flight if they knew that they would be charged possible inconvenience fees if other people

and flight attendants, pilot, etc. I also feel like that's a danger to all of the passengers from a pilot standpoint. I couldn't imagine if there was... Like imagine trying to drive a vehicle with, you know, a child that was unruly like that in the vehicle. Now you've got people like innocent bystanders on a plane and a pilot is having to navigate an aircraft. I mean, and that's a really good point.

I mean, we don't know if the pilot has kids himself, so we don't know if he could tune it out personally as a parent of seven very, very, very different children. I would not be able to tune out that level of screaming. That would not be able to tune out that level of screaming. That would not, I mean, I think an infant crying is one thing, but I think that level of behavioral issues, I couldn't, I wouldn't be able to tune that out. I think I could. You could.

Uh-huh. Jackson was like the screamiest baby. Creed was the screamiest baby, is the screamiest baby. I'll let you know when we go to Spain tonight. This is Creed's first really long flight. And I mean, Lux when he was little, we traveled to Hawaii, which was 15 hours, and Lux was an angel on that flight. Creed is a very different child.

And we are flying at nighttime so that hopefully they'll all go to sleep. And we are fortunate enough to be flying in a class that has beds. So I'm hoping that Creed will be able to sleep. When I was filming for Chris Leano's Best, we did episodes in Hawaii and Jackson's first ever flight. I decided that it was a good idea to take him from Atlanta to Hawaii by myself. How did that go? It was fine.

I mean, I was tired by the end of it, but it's just exhausting trying to keep a kid entertained and like wrangled in a seat for that long of a period of time and they're not used to it. So they don't really understand. No, they don't. And that's what's hard, but I want to show you this. Hold on.

I wasn't, I wasn't planning on showing this or I'd already have it here, but hold on. So trying to surprise you. Okay. I found these on base luggage. Oh my God. These are so cute. I got these for Lux and Creed and you color on them. They're like coloring book backpacks and you can wash them and then use them again. Oh my God. I love that idea. Oh, I just got these off. These are from Amazon for like five bucks. And I got one for Lux, one for Creed. Lincoln wanted one, but they didn't have like a more mature design. He wanted like a sports one. They didn't have that. I could probably find it like on Amazon or something, but I'll, I don't have a discount code, I don't think for these, but I will, I'll post these. These are really,

we're going to try them. Lux and Creed love to color. And so this is what I'm hoping will keep them entertained on the flights, but they, it's a backpack and then they also love that it has a trolley thing for their suitcase. So they don't have to wear it on their back if they don't want. And then this detaches into a fanny pack. So if they just wanted to have that for the travel, this comes off and it's base luggage. So in my opinion, it's a good brand. I think I have base luggage. I have every single freaking piece that they've offered so the kids can wear just this, like put their passport in here. Can we? I absolutely love that. I saw pajamas that I wanted to order for Jackson. They're like coloring pajamas.

Yeah, I saw them. But I also wonder about the parents if they have children that don't understand that you're only supposed to color on like certain things, could that become problematic? Like, okay, I'm letting them color on these pajamas or I'm letting them color on this backpack. Everything's not washable. Oh, you know what? Yeah. I mean, I think for my situation, Lux and Creed are old enough for me to explain it to them, but like a two-year-old, like I wouldn't give that to Rio and let him color on that because I think you're right. He would 100% be like, oh, I get to color on everything. That's just, I mean, right now the kids have like a notebook that I keep in the back seat, like the back pocket of my car and Lux and Kreeter always

pulling it out to color. So then when Rio sees it, he wants to do it. So he wants to color on everything. I wouldn't give him one of those yet. Maybe when he turns like three or four. Exactly. Outside of that, can we just talk a little bit about luggage and the airport and what the solution is? Because the way that my suitcase looked like it had been quite literally to a BZ back by the time I landed, like tore up.

I think that the airlines, that's the other thing, the astronomical cost of airlines for these people to be whipping your luggage around. I mean, I get it. I actually have a friend that works for American Airlines and she's loading and unloading all the luggage on all the things. And I said, oh, so you're the one that's like ripping, whipping my stuff around. And she was like, no, but she, I mean, they whip your shit. They don't care.

They do not care. It's not their stuff. And I mean, we we have I have a problem with that in general like Not including luggage is like if it's not yours people don't care about it And it's just really sad because luggage is so expensive to have like durable quality luggage and that's going across the the board with like Airlines or just anywhere like I just got the base luggage set earlier this year because I've been traveling so much and I mean it's basically torn to shreds. I just I don't know what the solution is. I've been to take a picture of my luggage and show

you exactly what it looks like. It's so bad. Like it needs to be thrown away in the trash. We bought Kristin luggage for her birthday and I think one of them broke already and it was less than a month ago. It just it honestly it honestly sucks. I wanted to ask you do your kids play Roblox? Lux plays Roblox. Have you been getting the emails about the parenting controls changing? No, I actually don't think I did. So I've received multiple emails and then I saw this article on parents.com and it says what Roblox latest change mean for your kids online safety. It says Roblox is the latest platform amping up its parental controls in an attempt to

keep its young users safe. The gaming platform, which features thousands of free user created games that people can access, announced several new protections for users under 13. These changes were developed and implemented after multiple rounds of internal research, including interviews, usability studies, and international surveys with parents and kids. It says that they basically consulted with experts

from child safety and media literacy organizations, and the chief safety officer shares in a statement announcing the new parental controls. It says parents need help navigating the online world with their kids. Roblox new labels and tools will go a long way to provide peace of mind and assurance to busy parents wanting to protect their children from unwanted content or contact. How do you feel? I love it because actually the first chat type system outside of texting, Jackson was using Roblox

and people would send messages on there, like unwanted messages. And so I love that. Yeah, no, same. I remember Isaac was the first one of my kids to play Roblox and the chat feature on there freaked me out. Like it freaked me out. I just don't understand why there would need to be a chat

feature on there. If you're just playing games, if you want to communicate with someone, you're obviously playing from like a tablet or from a phone where you could communicate at your leisure through that in another way outside of the app. So here is a breakdown of the parental controls and I wish that other apps would also follow all of these parental controls. It says parents will now be able to access parental controls from their own devices instead of through their child. It means they'll be able to manage their kid's accounts even if they aren't physically together.

They will need to verify themselves through credit card or ID. The latest breakdown of what caregivers will have access to, friends list. So parents will be able to view who their child's friends are on Roblox. Screen time controls, so they'll be able to set limits on how long their child can play Roblox and children time controls, so they'll be able to set limits on how long their child

can play Roblox and children will receive a pop-up once their time for the day is up, and then chat settings. And the game, it's a built-in setting now with no direct messaging for users under 13. I love that. I love all of that. And I really hope that us talking about this will inspire other people to check it out. I'm going to look through my emails. It might have gone to spam, but also just in general, like other companies need to follow suit that are related to kids and technology

and messaging. It just really freaks me out that when you think about like child predators and stuff online, I feel like that is a playground for child predators with these messaging apps where your kids might be playing with people that they don't know. 100%. What a year it has been. I know we are all feeling that way.

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Did you see this? No, I did not see this. So a mom is arrested. She takes one of her kids to the doctor and during that time, her other child that was home walks to the store and the cops show up later and arrest the mom. We're all scared of child predators, right? We know that. And I do think that I was left alone too much where, you know, things did happen to me, but also I was more mature in that sense too.

Like I didn't have a choice. Like I was walking to the store. I was walking to my uncle's house. I was walking to wherever I needed to go. Like that was just something that was done. I think that if you take child predators out of it, leaving a child alone, obviously not too young, depends on a child's maturity. But someone walking to the store, I wouldn't think twice. If Lincoln wanted to walk to the family dollar right here, it's less than a mile. I wouldn't think twice about it. He never has, but I wouldn't think twice

about it. Do you know what I mean? You let him do it? Yeah. I mean, it's right here. It's literally right here. I wouldn't let Jackson walk anywhere. Like even in my neighborhood. Yeah. I guess this, I don't, I don't live in a neighborhood, but this is a neighborhood. Like it would be, I guess I would consider a neighborhood. Yeah. I mean, they wanted to ride their bikes there last summer, but I like followed them in my car. I was in my car behind them just because I, you know, I wanted to make them feel like they had the independence,

but I also wanted to be right there. I think given, I would let, yeah, I probably would. Do you not worry? I think I worry so much about child predators and kidnappings and stuff. Maybe I've just like read way too much, not worry. I think I worry so much about child predators and kidnappings and stuff. Maybe I've just like read way too much, but I feel like child predators really zone in on patterns of children if they're trying to prey on a child. And if they saw my child walking to

the Dollar General multiple times a week, whether it's a mile away or not, what if the attendant that is at the Dollar General continues to notice that and develop some type of relationship with your child? That freaks me out. Oh, I'm not. See, that's the... Yeah. I mean, that's a good point. I mean, there's just not a whole lot, right? Like this, where I live and I'm pointing in the direction of the Dollar General, there's just like not a whole lot of people and there's a post office right there also. And then there's like a

construction. I don't know, they're building another dollar store, I guess. But I mean, maybe I don't know, because I say that I would let them but I never have. So I don't know if it just sounds good that I would like if it sounds good, like, oh, this mom shouldn't have been arrested. I don't know. Like is that do you think that she was unfairly arrested? I mean, no, not necessarily. It says that this was in Georgia. And it says in the state neglect by a parent can be defined as failure to provide a child with adequate adequate supervision necessary for such child's wellbeing. It also states that the juvenile was in the roadway.

Oh, okay, I didn't read that far into it. I saw the video and I was like, you know, it's less than a mile. Obviously, I think he's done it before. So it's not like the mom didn't, like, she knew about it. I mean, I don't know. It's a different thing. That also speaks to the fact that you have not

vetted your child enough to know that they're responsible enough to stay at home by themselves. That's not an excuse that the child got out of the house, felt the need to walk to a Dollar General, was in a road. At that point, you shouldn't be leaving your child alone if you can't trust them to not do that. No, I don't think that he left without her knowing. Yeah, it says in this article that in an interview on Friday, she said that she had been annoyed that he did not tell her where he was going, but did not think that he was in any danger.

So she was not aware that he was going to the Dollar General. Okay. So that changes things. I don't know. Now that I say that, I don't know. I'm just thinking of this. Yeah. You just never know. The store clerk, that really bothers me too, now that you said that. It sounds good. Oh, Lincoln's mature enough to be able to walk, but also I've never allowed him to do it. So is he mature enough to walk or would I just like to think he's mature enough to walk?

I don't know. I think it's less about, I think Jackson and Lincoln are a lot alike. I think it's less about trusting the kid and more about not trusting the people that are in public. Agree. That our children could have access to or they could have access to our children.

I agree. I do agree with that. So yeah. I have to tell you this update on Cow Coburger. I don't know if you saw it. I don't know. I was looking at it a little bit yesterday. There was some... Yeah, let's hear it. Let's hear it. So it says, Coburger's team files motion to suppress pivotal evidence. I'm honestly starting to get worried and I'm starting to feel like... Wait, you filed to suppress pivotal evidence.

His team. What is called the motion? It says his attorneys filed motions to suppress key evidence in the Moscow quadruple homicide case. The judge has denied them time for more to review further evidence and a series of court documents that were made public. Coburgers attorneys are claiming evidence obtained by search warrants related to the suspect should be suppressed. It includes his genetic

information, the search of his vehicle, his online data, his cell phone data, and all evidence gathered at his parents' home in Pennsylvania. Why would they try to suppress that? That's important for the case. His attorneys are arguing that the arrest warrant that led to them arresting him at his parents' home was unconstitutional. And they are claiming that law enforcement failed to knock down the door before raiding the home and the warrant lacked probable cause as it was written. And it also omitted, they're claiming that it omitted information that put into question the reliability of the facts that were part of the case.

So I'm worried. Do you agree? Like just from a legal standpoint, a legal standpoint due process, which is your 14th amendment right, do you think they went through, they, they violated that? Possibly. I can't say. Here's my question. And this is a question that I've asked you before. It's like the circumstantial evidence and all of that being said, like, you know, that you obtained this or you did this without due process, again,

14th Amendment right, I think, do you think that they should still go forward? Say the judge takes out all of that and we still feel like he's guilty beyond a reasonable doubt. Do you still think that he should be tried or do you think that by law he should be acquitted? Because I think he's going to get acquitted. Well, now I'm starting to think that that's going to happen. I have on the things that have come out. I have not thought that for a long time because I just felt like there was so much evidence that he's implicated in every which way. I don't know, because I feel you know how I feel about circumstantial evidence

and like, you know how I also feel about using technicalities to get out of shit. Like this stuff was found. I don't love the circumstantial evidence because at some point you have to draw the line. Like if there is an overwhelming amount of circumstantial evidence, I just feel like at that point, there

there isn't reasonable doubt. It's like, by law, maybe, but also, like, I don't know, it's like the Casey Anthony thing, it brings me back to that. And the Scott Peterson thing is like, I get it, like, you should be acquitted, but like, you shouldn't. Because at that point, it's like, there's, there's no other alternatives to what could have happened. But you know, it really pisses me off is when people say or use the law to their benefit to say, okay, it was there, but the way that you obtained it was wrong.

You fucking did it. You fucking did it. Kristen said, I've never felt like they had enough evidence to prove beyond a reasonable doubt, which is their burden. So guaranteed due process, I mean, under that alone, if they obtained the search warrant and the arrest warrant, all of that without due process, then that has to be thrown out. Which makes me worried about this. And it says that- I don't understand if we know that, right?

If we know as a society and in law that if you don't do things properly, this can get thrown out, I don't understand why these people, law enforcement is doing it. Do you think you're gonna get away with it? Like, is that what it boils down to? Because I'm not taking that risk.

If I'm a law enforcement officer and I know that this is a huge fucking case, we're talking about four homicides, I'm not gonna try to buck the system and be like, you know what, let's not do it. I'm gonna go about it properly because you're about to let off a four time murderer. Like you're about to let them off simply

because you wanted to fucking jump the gun. But I think that it's messy all the time. And I think that this happens way more often than anyone knows about it. And they just think that they're not going to get caught. And I think they get so caught up in the fact of, okay, we're going to catch this person. The thought process of all the legalities leading up to that, I think sometimes are missed. It's like we know, we know what we know.

And so we're going to go ahead and get this said evidence. Once we get it, it won't be in question because we have it, and we've got him hook, line, and sinker. They don't think about the legalities of how they obtained it. That's fucked up. The fact that we're used to this as a society, Kristen said that we frequently get away with it,

and it's like, that's a problem. Like that's a huge problem. It says that his attorneys argue that law enforcement's investigation into Coburger's genetic genealogy was unconstitutional. DNA evidence was discovered on a knife sheath left at the crime scene at the King Road home. Law enforcement tied this DNA evidence to Coburger. I'm like, at this point, it's all technicality. Like the motions they're filing are technicality motions.

That also freaks me out because if that's true, if that's the case, who's to say that it wasn't tampered with and it wasn't actually his DNA on it, which I think is something that they're speculating that it was actually tampered with and it maybe't actually his DNA on it, which I think is something that they're speculating, that it was actually tampered with and it maybe wasn't his. Do you think that there's any possibility that he didn't do it? Because I think without a shadow of a doubt, he absolutely did it. No, I definitely think he did it without shadow of a doubt, but I do think that he is going to be acquitted. And Kristen said she believes the assumption is that public defenders don't care enough to look into cases, but Ann Taylor is killing

it. I would agree. I mean, this is a huge case in her name, so she's got to kill it. It's not a situation of, not for nothing, but like a regular Joe Schmo on the street, they're not going to look into it. They're not going to put the time into it. But because this is a national case with national headlines, probably worldwide, if I had to guess, I think that's why Ann Taylor is, I mean, I don't know her from a can of paint, but she sort of doesn't have a choice because the pressure is on her at this point.

100%. I think that she's using this Coburger case to truly make a name for herself. Like all you hear about is Ann Taylor this, Ann Taylor that. What really pisses me off, and it's a double-edged sword that the home was torn down.

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She's a former prosecutor in Brooklyn. I had brought that up to her and she said that it is so rare for them to ever do something like that. And she's not shocked by that. And it's not something that anyone really fights to do. And I don't understand that. And I told her that I'm like, even if all of the furniture is removed, because that was something that she had said when I asked her and she was like, it's so rare.

Nothing would be the same. The furniture wouldn't be in the same place. The circumstances wouldn't be the same. And I get that, but we need to know at least a baseline with nothing in the fucking house. Absolutely nothing in the house. I need to know a baseline of how long it would take with nothing in the house, right? Because how long would it take to enter where he entered to go do what he went to do with nothing in the house? And? Because how long would it take to enter where he entered, to go do what he went to do with nothing in the house? And then you do have to add time.

Obviously we don't know how much time it would take to get around certain things. If there's table and chairs, if there's, you know, whatever, we know that, but we can- But it gives you a baseline, but there's already a margin of error right there anyway, because the way somebody would move, that's the margin of error.

Like you're not going to move in the same way that I would move. Right. And that's sort of what she said. But I mean, the same could be said for the Murdoch. Why are we doing it for one case and we're not doing it across the board? I know for a fact, if something were to happen in my home, knock on wood that it never happens. If something happened to one of my kids in this fucking house, I'm fighting for my house to have the jury come here and do that whole situation because you're not about to fucking,

I need them to be able to do it themselves. Use a timer or use one of those, people use the house plan things. I don't know if you've seen it where you can do like an actual walkthrough at this place where they have like the 3D, not 3D. It's like this big thing where you like walk in an actual walkthrough at this. Oh, yeah. Where they have like the 3d not 3d. It's like this big thing where you like walk in and they map out your house like if you're building something, do that then have the exact map and run through it do fucking demonstrations because I just don't understand how that's not helpful. I really don't.

If I was the parents of these children as hard as it would be to not get some of my child's belongings to feel close to them in some way, I would have wanted that house to be marked off as a crime scene and under surveillance until it went to trial and nothing moved. What's the difference between that and we'll say a crime where we'll say someone it's it's unsure if someone was pushed or someone jumped themselves how is that any different throw a dummy off the side of a bridge and you're gonna see if they were pushed or they were jumped how can it be the same because the city if what you just said

is like I'm gonna move differently through the same house as you are based on our body types alone and the furniture or whatever is placed in the home same can be said for jumping or falling. How can you determine whether it's been pushed or fault or the way they fell well I don't agree because you're gonna land a lot different than I am whether you're pushed or you jump. Do you think in this coburger case that when he was doing this that he was moving slow or he was moving at a very fast pace. this that he was moving slow or he was moving at a very fast pace. I think if he was able to kill all of these people by himself in the short amount of time that he did it and were operating off of adrenaline at that point, he had to have been moving so fast that he wouldn't wasn't even thinking, which then we'll have a different theory. Really?

I think that he is so mentally ill and twisted that I think that he did it and has absolutely no conscience. I think that he knew exactly what he was doing. I do think just like naturally there would be adrenaline involved in that situation regardless of being a psychopath, sociopath, whatever. But I think he calmly did it. And I think he was quiet when he was doing it. But both can be true. It could be full of adrenaline and be very, what is the word? Not conniving. What is calculated? And adrenaline be pumping through and he could be cool, calm, and collected and still sort of move pretty quickly.

Do you think that he ran up the stairs and down the stairs? I don't. I think he moved slow. I wouldn't have been able to because he would have woken someone up or he would have alerted them, the ones upstairs to his presence. I agree. We have a couple of listener topics. I want to talk about the first one.

This is very interesting. This person says, "'How would you set boundaries with a new neighbor "'and their kids? "'New people moved across the street, "'both three plus and five plus years older than my kids. "'They now frequently are knocking on our door, "'asking us to have them over for dinner, et cetera.

"'I already have a mental block because my kid already went over there once and broke her leg on their trampoline. I hate to be antisocial whenever I'm home with my kids. I'm not trying to be around people I have no interest in forming a friendship. I'm feeling like I have to hide in my own home or make excuses and I have heard this so many times actually the woman that purchased my own home. She also that is her divorce home and she has two children and

She said that that was a selling point like in that neighborhood to purchase because there were not a lot of kids I'm torn. I'm so torn on this because obviously she has a right to You know not really want to socialize. And obviously, if you broke your leg over there, like I absolutely not. I think at that point, you have to make it clear to your own kids and maybe keep the boundary like you cannot place your boundaries on other people. You can only place the boundaries for yourself. And so you have to have a conversation with your own kids and basically be like, we are not playing on these days at these times and you have to stick to that.

I think that's the only way for them to understand or, you know, and you as the adult let the kids know when they come over and they ask, hey, can we play? Hey, can we stay for dinner? Hey, we can't, she can't come out right now. He can't come out right now. You know, on this day, at this time, they can, they can play play like if you give them something to hope for on what day and what times I think that that would be a starting point. And make it make it you know, very specific like hey, we can you know, the kids can play from four to six, four to seven on this day. But until

then, unfortunately, we have family plans. I think that's the best way to do it. I mean, I agree. I was also when I read this, I was like, what did we do in our childhood? And I remember that my parents had a rule that we were never allowed to ring someone's doorbell and ask them to come out and play. If they want to play, they can come out on their own. And so whoever was in the street, like on our street in our neighborhood, we could play with whoever was out there, but we weren't allowed to go to anybody's house to ask them to play. See, that's something I don't live in a neighborhood and we've never really lived in a neighborhood that has a lot of kids.

I know that Javi has lived in neighborhoods that have lots of kids and I don't know sort of the logistics of that. I just know that like Lincoln would go out and play and just do, you know, until the sun went down sort of deal. I actually loved that one neighborhood that I'm referring to. like Lincoln would go out and play and just do it, you know, until the sun went down sort of deal. I actually loved that one neighborhood that I'm referring to. That's where he met one of his, it's like a brother to him. I love that rule of not ringing anyone's doorbell

and that's something that I would absolutely implement. I just, I think that to some degree you have to let them socialize a little bit, even if you have stipulations, because I do think that that social aspect and coming in before the lights go out kind of thing is really important to a child's, I don't know, development, social skill. But I feel like it's lost. It is lost. It absolutely is lost. Here, there's no, like I said, it's not a neighborhood, but in that, I was so sad when Javi moved out of that house because I was like that is so Is the word imperative to Lincoln's childhood like the memories being made in there is are absolutely incredible

and it was also a neighborhood where there was only one entrance in and one entrance out and Everyone had ring cameras. So that also made me feel good because if something happened between this house and this house Guess what that was that was gonna be captured on somebody's ring camera And so there was a playground right at the end of the street. And so it was just like really cute. He just felt secure and like he was a really good childhood. And I love that like Jackson will go outside in my yard and play for hours like by himself. We don't live next to a bunch of kids in my neighborhood and Will's neighborhood.

He also lives next to a bunch of children as well. And a lot of people that Jackson goes to school with lives in Will's neighborhood. And I love that they can like run from house to house. But we have like a communication system of, hey, like a text system. Hey, can such and such play? If so, just send them over to Will's yard or whatever. And it's a communication ahead of time with the parent. I don't like leaving kids up to that communication.

No, I would agree. I don't like that. I also wanna have a relationship with the parent because although we know anything can happen at any time, they are less likely to have something happen, in my opinion. Also, I think based on studies is like, if the, if a predator knows that there is constant communication with the adult or, um, you know, you have a really, what

is like, you have these like informative conversations and stuff, they're less likely to pray on the child. So if your parent knows where you are, what time you have a good relationship with them, you're in constant communication. I do think that it's less likely. I'm not saying it won't happen at all, but like that there's some comfort in that. Will kind of implemented a rule not too long ago that the play can happen outside. If they want to play video games, then they can each do it at their own houses because they have their own stuff and they're playing together that way most of the time anyway.

If you want to play, then you guys need to play outside and do outside activities. And I agree with that. Yeah, you don't need to come over here to play video games. We can do that on the I mean, we only have the one system in the playroom and they don't really get on it. But that's a really good rule. Like if you're gonna if you're gonna be on the internet, then be on the internet and in your own homes, but outside go the fuck outside of that. Go the fuck outside. Exactly. The next one's Thanksgiving related. It says, Kale, Lindsay, we need your thoughts on this. I live in Illinois and immediate family. You know, my aunts and uncles live in Mississippi. They invited me, my girlfriend and kids. And I was like, Sure, we'd love to see you guys. We haven't seen them in years. Here's my issue.

I get a text saying that they're charging everyone $50 this year for Thanksgiving. I get the times are different now, but I'm not sure that I've ever heard of that. We have a big family, but I think that they need to not have it if they can't afford it. I'd say ask people to bring a dish, but $50. I think that's fine. Okay. There, there, I have some questions surrounding this because is this you're bringing a dish and $50 because that's a no, it's one or the other. I

also would say depending on what the size of the family is, for example, if I wasn't bringing a dish that fed my family plus, you know, other people because that you that has to be considered too. I'm not, I can't bring a dish that only feeds five people. I would have to bring a dish that feeds my nine people plus whoever else is in attendance, right? If I cannot contribute that and somebody else is going to contribute that on my behalf, I will pay, obviously.

Like, I don't expect to go to a family function and not contribute, but if you're expected to bring the dish and the money, I'm gonna say no, and I would agree with this person. But I know- I have never gone to any type of function that I was invited to and came with nothing ever. Like I just feel like that's having cooth. Like I wouldn't ever show up and just like expect to eat

off of somebody's stuff and not bring something. I mean, even my mom with her own struggles was in charge of mashed potatoes until I was about 12 or 13 years old. So, and she brought it. So I can't honestly say, well, I think maybe when I was a new mom going to Thanksgiving at my aunt's house, because my mom stopped going to all holidays when I was about 13. I think she might've showed up one other time. Other than that, when I was a new mom and I was in school and I was graduated from high school, I think that they gave me a pass for a couple years. But then I think that when I had Lincoln, I started bringing like offering dishes. You know what I mean? Like I think

there was a lot on my plate and there was a little bit of a pass there. I also think like the $50 thing, think about the prices of groceries and stuff now. I mean, I think that's appropriate regardless if this was a couple of years ago and grocery prices weren't what they are now. Just because somebody is hosting does not mean that they should be fully financially responsible for the entirety of whatever they're hosting. No, I agree. I do agree with you. I think if someone's hosting and they're also preparing most dishes, and if you have the option of providing money or providing a dish and it's more convenient for both parties, if the person

that you're going to is going to make the dish, then I'll pay for it. I think that's a reasonable ask. I think that it may be new and it may be a little weird, but I don't think there's anything wrong with it. I also was just thinking back when I did thanksgivings with Will's family, his mom and I would like prepare for days ahead of Thanksgiving and she would be responsible for certain dishes and I would be responsible for certain dishes. We were the only ones that like ever cooked anything. I paid for the stuff that I brought and then they paid for the stuff that they provided and it was just like never an issue. Yeah, I've never heard of it.

I don't know that that's something my family would do. I know one year after my mom stopped going, we did Macy's parade in New York for one Thanksgiving with my whole family. But I think my cousin actually hosted it, paid for all of it. I don't remember. I think I might have brought it, paid for all of it. I don't remember. I think I might have brought them wine or something, like something small, but it was, I mean, I don't see anything wrong with it. I would love to know the people who are listening to this, like what you think about this.

And if you go to events empty handed, like I'm not going to bring like a dish if we're invited to like a child's birthday party or something. But I'm talking like a family function or a friend's giving or something like that. I'm always coming with stuff. Agreed. No matter how small it's the thought that counts at that point. Yeah, I mean, I would agree. Other point to this and then we can move on is that you would probably be spending $50 regardless whether you're going to that function or not. So just pay the $50.

Yeah, I agree. And again, I mean, it's like unless it's being used to like deter you from coming but you have to like, you would know, you know what I mean? If someone would have told me that there are science backed ingredients that could help me feel 15 years younger in a matter of months. I truly would not have believed it, but that's when I tried Qualia Senolytic. As we age, everyone accumulates senescent cells in their body. Senescent cells cause symptoms of aging, such as aches and discomfort, slow workout recoveries, sluggish mental and physical energy associated with that middle-age feeling that none of us like. These are also known as

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Before we go, I have to tell you about this crazy story that I saw on peoplemagazine.com, people.com I think it was. This mother was told that her child, her daughter, was, had perished in a house fire and then recognized said daughter on social media six years later. Wait, what? Yeah.

So I'm going to read you the article. Mom thought her baby was killed in a house fire, but she had really been kidnapped and living 15 miles away. So this all started in Philadelphia, which is sort of local to me. It's about an hour from here. And it was in December of 1996, the fire rampaged through the home and gutted the second floor bedroom where the couple's 10 day old daughter was sleeping. So authorities presume the infant perished in the blaze, right? Like, I'm assuming what that what it means by perished is like,

they didn't find remains, but maybe that happens with like a 10 day old baby. I mean, maybe they literally, yeah. And so the authorities said that the baby perished in a strange twist six years later, who never believed her daughter died, which is even crazier. What is a birthday party when she saw a young girl named Aliyah and she was convinced that this child was her daughter. She says that, and this is a quote from her, hold on, let me X out of this quote. I have dimples and all of my siblings have dimples. Now 26 years, 26 years old. That was the first giveaway from her. She says blood cell, blood calls. And so she could sense that I was hers.

Like the child could sense that she was her mother's daughter, which is absolutely insane. Prior to the administration of DNA tests, Delamar, which was her name, had a distinct memory of the woman she believed to be her mother, Carolyn. And she said that spraying some kind of substance in my mouth, I don't know what that means. DNA testing eventually confirmed that it was her daughter.

So for six years, she had been living with this family in Willingboro, New Jersey, which was just 15 miles away from Philadelphia. And she's absolutely stunning. She's so pretty. I have so many questions. Number one, did someone set the house fire because they wanted to kidnap the child and pretend like the baby perished in the fire? Like how did the child get out

if the mother thought that the child was in bed, I'm assuming? I'm not sure. It doesn't say in the article. That's something I don't know. I just have so many questions. Who was the child with? The child was with...

Was it a family member? I tried to pick up my new family's mannerisms to make it seem like I was never kidnapped, but I was also mourning my old family. When I was a child, I felt like I had two moms. It wasn't until I was 11 or 12 years old that reality finally set in. So I'm not entirely sure.

I'm going to do a deep dive on this because I need way more information. I want to know how the whole process happened. I couldn't imagine going to sleep thinking that I put my baby to bed, a fire breakout, thinking my child died and said fire, being around a social situation to where my child was there, there's missing pieces. It started with a fire at Philadelphia home of Luz Cuevas and Pedro Vera in December 1996, the fire rampaged through the house, authorities presumed the infant perished in the blades in a strange twist six years later. But yeah, it doesn't say anything about... Quelis was competent in her mother's intuition, so she slyly snabbed... she slyly nabbed a strand of the child's hair, brought it to police, and asked them to conduct a DNA test. Prior

to the administration, obviously that didn't work. She'd been living with Correa and her family in New Jersey, 15 miles, but I don't know who Correa is. I have no idea. I'm going to do some research and then follow up on this. Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. Let me backtrack. Prior to the administration of the DNA test, Delamar, which is the daughter, has a distinct memory of the woman she believed to be her mother, Carolyn Correa,

spraying some kind of substance in her mouth. Delamar says she later learned the unknown substance was Correa saliva. So the mother who kidnapped her or got her was trying to bamboozle the DNA test. She was basically having the spit be put in the daughter's mouth for the DNA test. What the fuck is wrong with people? That's what it says. DNA testing eventually confirmed that Delamar was the daughter of Quavus, not Correa. For six years, she'd been living with Correa and her family in New Jersey. And soon after, she went back to

Philadelphia to live with her mother. She was ultimately convicted and sentenced to 30 years. The way that I would absolutely fucking riot if I thought that my child had died in a house fire, and then go to some function and see said child like what there had to have been some sort of connection somewhere because how would you set 100% because why would you then be this the same family that probably set the house fire whatever it had to have been planned and then also to be at a function with same people there had to have been some sort of familial connection or some sort of connection like outside source that was doing the like trafficking of children.

I mean, I don't know if that's- Does it not make you like think of like all of these questions like, okay, so if they were close enough to where this other person who is raising this child now had access like that to their life, did they just not communicate in that long of a period of time? And who invited who to this event or were they both unaware that they were going to be in attendance and then the child gets

discovered like it doesn't make sense. I also have to wonder if the police were involved in some way or one of the police officers was involved in some way or whatever Whoever was doing the investigation of the house fire because one there's nothing in the article about whether or not it was Intentional because they can tell to there would have been remains of something I don't know how long you have to burn bones before they turn to ashes, because I think that's really hard. But also, who got the baby out and took the baby to whatever person? Do you know what I'm saying? So was there a police officer or a fire department person, you know, responsible for facilitating this? Because I just, I feel like there's a lot more to this that we don't know. Almost seems like there was like a premeditated kidnapping and then arson.

You know what I mean? Like I don't think anybody would like set fire to a home with the child in there and then the kidnapping happened. I feel like it happened and then they put the house on fire. Yes. I mean, it's the most, one of the most insane stories that I've ever heard. That's so crazy. And on that note, we have foul play.

Foul play everybody. Today I fell victim to the girth master, but not in a way that I would have liked to. I'm an avid listener of the podcast. So when the girth master was first brought up, naturally my interest was piqued and I did my research to discover who he was. Lindsay, I don't know if you're familiar with girth master, but I had him on Barely Famous podcast. Teal, I'm pretty sure that you sent me pictures of Girth Master years ago.

Really? I feel like something surfaced on Twitter years ago and you sent it to me. Yikes. Well, sorry about that. Moving forward to today, I'm a single young woman and not super sexually active lately. So I would like to get off every now and then. Who doesn't? So I did exactly that. And usually I'm not a porn watcher, but today I needed an extra something to get me through. I'm sure you know what I mean. So the first thing that came to mind was Gert Masters Twitter, where I knew I'd get a short video, bust a nut and go on about my day. And did. Later that evening, my family and I decided to go out to trivia night

at our local pub. When we arrive, I realize the trivia is done through a Google form on your phone. As I open my story, I see the Twitter page still open, but no one can see the screen, so I quickly use the same browser to type in the link for Google form, but newsflash, bad idea. As we get seated and I finally get finished typing in the link, my mother sits right beside me staring at my phone to see Tridia Link. Girth Master, with his dick inside of a girl of course, flashes across my screen and my stomach immediately drops in my ass. As a reaction, I close the screen, but I might have been too late. I immediately start sweating profusely and I was so embarrassed. My mom never said anything or reacted in any type of way, but I feel she may have pretended not to notice to save me the embarrassment.

Anyways, it was a long night of trivia after that for me. As I was crippled with the thought that my poor mom saw the screen, it was digesting the fact that her daughter was a dirty little freak. Love you ladies. Have a great week. Okay. Is anybody else's parents like the nosiest fucking people and like intentionally look at your phone? I mean, I don't have parents, so I can't answer but I would imagine that Todd would immediately look through your look at your phone. Oh, absolutely. You can be standing in a kitchen and it's like eyeballs are wandering like to said phone. Okay. Okay, if I had girth master on my phone and he saw that the way that the entire house would be turned upside down. I don't want to, I couldn't even picture Todd's reaction to girth master.

Him even knowing that girth master exists would be, I would love to be a fly on the wall for him to learn about girth master. How did you first hear about Girth Master? I feel like it was Twitter. No, Girth Master, I learned about through Tracy Carnazzo and everyone in all of the podcast groups were like, Oh my God, we need Kale's reaction to Girth Master. And I had not heard of him. So it was this year, 2024, that I heard of him. And he's like this like six foot seven guy from Australia. And his girth is like, like a wine bottle. I don't think that we're thinking of the same person. His it's like, like, this is the girth of him. Why would anybody like sign up for that? I don't know, I had him on Barely Famous and

truly he he was like a regular guy, like a regular schmuggler and he was cool, calm, and collected. But how do you ask somebody about like how you become girthma... like that would be so awkward. He said he told his family. He told his family what? That he was a porn star. I mean, do you think that his parents didn't know that he was like hanging like that? I think if I remember correctly, it runs in his family. Do you think, we've talked about this before, but do you think dicks are genetic?

Absolutely, I do. I think they're genetic also. So does that mean if like someone you're with has a good one that their dad does? Yeah. You said yeah. I do. And I don't ever want to think about having sex with someone's father.

You don't? No. I mean, I don't either. But I'm just saying, like, have you, have you like ever thought about that? Yes. And I think that that is accurate. I think that's a sick and twisted thing to think about. But I don't think any of my ex's fathers are good looking. You don't? Absolutely not. Do you ever wonder like handsome, but not in a way that is like sexual. Do you know

what I mean? You know what? Come to think of it. I mean, Will's dad's cute. He's like a cute old man. Yeah. See like that's like sort of like, like how these dads a cute old man. Yeah. See, like that's like sort of like, like, how these dads are cute old man. You know what I mean? Like, he's not like, he's a handsome old guy. Like, he's not, I don't think he's attractive. You know what I'm saying? It's not like sex appeal. Absolutely not.

Like, there's no sex appeal. So thankfully I've never really like, yes, I think they're genetic, but thankfully not in a way that I'm like, oh, like, is this what it's like to have sex with their dad? Do you know what I'm saying? Ew. That's disgusting. That's sick. Okay, so the next person says, I've wanted to send this in every week since you've started

foul play and I finally am. In high school, I was in a very toxic relationship on and off, on and off literally every other day, junior and senior year. One weekend, we got in a big fight like usual before we had to go help his mom pick up a new couch. Well we fought and we fought and fought and I showed up at their house because he still lived at home obviously being in high school then we met up if you get what I'm saying. We're on his couch in his

bedroom I'm reverse cowgirling him like in a seated position fucking spread eagle and he hadn't locked the door. Guess who comes strolling on in his mom saw my cookie and all jam packed with her son's dick. Jam packed is crazy. Then we still had to go and help her move the couch and the whole ride she kept saying we don't have to talk about it over and over. Then stop bringing it up. I already want to die knowing

that you've seen all my glory. Thank God she is not my mother in law. I could not have gone the rest of my life knowing that my mother in law saw my cookie. Love you guys and the show gets me through some long days of work. Hope this story makes you laugh and not cringe too much. You know what this made me think of? Have you ever seen Eight Mile? Yeah.

The scene where Marshall Mathers walks in on his mother fucking her boyfriend on the couch in the trailer. Yeah, that's me. And he's like, and then she's like, Greg won't go down on me. And then he's like, Mom, that's like immediately what I thought of. Because they were in the seated position with the mom fucking him on the lap. But like, why would someone say that to their kid? No, I would never I mean, that's like the friendship parenting line that you don't need to ever cross, right? Like you need to be a parent. That's not a conversation. Like, why would you? I'm sorry, but never would I ever. I mean, I've had sex in my actually, let me just not say that.

Your living room? Never would I ever feel comfortable enough to have sex in my parents' home. That, I mean, I don't even have a relationship with my parents and that's not something that I would ever be comfortable with. I'm good off that. But my parents are a different breed of people. Yeah. I would never in my life have sex sex under Todd Chrisley's roof ever.

No, like, number one, if you do it, you're possibly signing up to be harassed for the rest of your life. Um, also, he's not going to stop talking about it. Yeah, I would never I mean, he would. Yeah, no, I mean, it would be every conversation. And on that note, thank you guys for always supporting our show. Please subscribe and review on the Apple podcast app, follow in right on Spotify

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