Coffee Convos with Kail Lowry and Lindsie Chrisley - Food Insecurity Awareness, Ed Gein & Credible Influencers

Episode Date: November 6, 2025

CC445: It's time for Kindles & Candles! Kail explains the wonderful world of hermit crabs and was appalled at the thought of almost eating an octopus. On a more serious note, Kail shares her personal experience with SNAP benefits, the wide problem of food insecurity and the importance of community support. In true crime world, Jack the Ripper makes headlines once again and there are big thoughts on Ed Gein. Lindsie and Kail chime in on Lululemon's dupe trademark. Lastly, today's Foul Play is a shoutout to stool softeners during pregnancy - you have the worst timing!Thank you to our sponsors!Better Help: This episode is brought to you by BetterHelp. Visit BetterHelp.com/coffee today to get 10% off your first month.Booking.com: Head over to Booking.com and start your listing today!Branch Basics: Get 15% off Branch Basics with the code Coffee at https://branchbasics.com/Coffee #branchbasicspodRocket Money: Cancel unwanted subscriptions by going to RocketMoney.com/COFFEECONVOSThrive Causemetics: Save 20% off your first order at Thrivecausemetics.com/COFFEESee Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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Kayle and Lindsay. Good morning, kitty cat. Good morning. I decided to wear a cat print for today's episode. I decided to wear our kitty crew. I also have a coozy. I also have coffee for coffee combos. The reason why I didn't wear merch today is because I have have worn merch every single day for the past two weeks. And so I just needed a little. You felt like it was becoming your whole personality. Wait, it is. It is my, you know what? All the merch that I have in my life right now is my whole personality. And so when we're talking about hyperfixations, um, the hyperfixations are crazy, though. Like, I think about you all the time with that one laboo that I have. Wait, did I, I gave you one, right? Did you want another one?

Because I have extras. Yeah. Yeah. I did show that people are getting like legitimate outfits, like paying a lot of money for like outfits to dress these Lububu's. No doubt. Their ear pierced. Um, I painted on one of mine, I like put paint on her earrings and I painted her nails and I put a Prada outfit on her. And then another one that I gifted to someone I put in a pumpkin suit and I gifted it, um, for Halloween. Very, very cute. Um, let me tell you about my. my hyperfixation right now. It's two things. Can you guess them? Eye patches? I mean, that's been a hyper fixation. Um, what? Reading? My Kindle. Okay. Your Kindle. Okay. What are they? What are they? Kindle and a candle. Oh, Kendall and a candle. Oh, my God. Wait, that's a whole brand, Lindsay. You know a sticker where it's like Kindles and Candles. We could do a whole, like,

little collab for coffee combos for a little insert candle kindles and candles i love that so cute so i have been reading um say you'll remember me yes it's so good it's so good i'm i didn't bring my book in i don't think but i just i just finished the intruder by freedom mcfadden and i'm starting the heartbreak hotel um which came in my book of the month box so please tell me why I go to where I used to go and grab, like, drinks, which we know I'm not doing that anymore. So I go and just prop myself right up at the bar, order myself a kid's meal, some little boneless wings, little side of broccoli, and have my Kindle. And I'm just there talking to the bartender about books.

She had her Kindle too. The bartender had her Kindle? Yes, she did. I want to go to that bar. I want to go to that bar because I'm not a drink. Do you think that we could open like a non-alcoholic bar where it's like you bring your Kindle and your candle and you just sit at a bar and you order any kind of drinks? You know, that's a good business plan, honestly.

And since we're celebrating eight years, we need to do something. I guess we're opening a business. Kristen's like, the fuck you guys are. She's like, we don't have a liquor license and you all will never be approved for a liquor license. Hey, do you remember those t-shirts, like those trashy-ass t-shirts that said liquor in the front, poker in the back? Wait, no. I have never seen that in my entire life.

So I know that Kristen will probably know about this because I'm pretty sure my brother got one from Myrtle Beach one time at like one of those I don't know like wings or something shops. I think it's called like wings. And it says liquor in the front poker in the back. But it's like wave and poke her. Yeah. Waves. I've never heard of that. Yeah. It's like I used to get hermit crabs from waves back in the day when I was a little kid. Um, hermit crabs are, they actually live like 50 years. I don't know if you realize that. Like, mine never lived longer than a week. Yeah, because actually those shops are torturing them. They are? Yeah. They're like really inhumane and PETA should like go after them. But I follow this girl on TikTok and she takes like actual care of her her hermit crabs. And I'm going to post a video or I'll send it to the team to post and I'll send it to you.

hermit crabs live like 50 years and they're very social creatures and you have to have a salt water pool and a freshwater pool in them and they're omnivores like they eat like meat and stuff and like you have to like have like this much sand in there for them to go under and malt and then they come back out like how we buy it because we know all of this information because i thought i hyper fixated and i went down the hermit crab rabbit hole on i think her name is janey her name's janey on TikTok and she does she has an 80 gallon tank for her hermit grabs and they live a long time like I'm going to send you hold on I'm we can keep talking but I am going to send you Chris and ask you about octopye next oh my god I have devastating news what octopus at Kristen's birthday dinner yeah like calamari no no like octopus was fried up and dropped on a plate and there was fucking suction cups on the tentacles on a plate and my son participated I mean no we draw the line like I are so smart and they are so like why would you look at a fucking octopus with eight legs and you're like yep I'm going to cook it and eat it why I mean

is it like the same as eating like lobster or um oysters i just don't think it's the same and octopus is so smart like they can open a jar like they can open the lid on a jar so you feel like they're more human like creatures i shouldn't even eat chicken because they're as smart as toddlers so like yeah absolutely and like cows have friends octopuses are eating are opening fucking jars underwater like we should not be we don't deserve animals We absolutely do not deserve animals, which, by the way, I was following your Facebook yesterday. And I saw where you were trying to be a kind-giving person. And then somebody came and literally robbed you of eight dozen eggs and all of your canned goods. So I was crying on

and off about the snap people losing their snap benefits. I don't know if anyone knows. If they didn't read my book. That's fine. But I grew up with severe food insecurities. My mom struggled with her pride and filing to be on food stamps. So we were never consistently on them because I think she was embarrassed. And then she also wasn't consistently filling out paperwork for me to have free and reduced lunch. So some years I had it, some years I didn't. And once I hit middle school, my mom never filled out the paperwork ever again. So I was also going to school and not eating there either until high school when Ariel's family fed me every day of the year in ninth grade. And so I say all this to say that it was really upsetting to me, you know, to learn about people

losing their snap benefits and like to think about like my kids eat snacks all day, right? Like so I can't imagine like a child, the twins age or even Lincoln's age, like being hungry. Like you cannot concentrate when you're hungry. So I was like, okay, I'm going to make my chicken eggs free for the rest of the year. We get a little over a dozen every single day. Well, I had a surplus because for whatever reason, towards the end of summer, the kids, not the kids, the chickens were laying and producing a lot. So I had a surplus mainly in September, October, had eight dozen, put them in there, put a free sign out, put stocked the egg stand with all these like shelf stable goods and pop up. He had seen somebody pull up and he said, you know, take a dozen eggs, take whatever else you need.

And then he stood there on the porch, which is kind of far from the egg stand, but he watched the same one. person clear out the entire egg stand all eight dozen eggs all the canned goods all of the I put like stove top stuffing mix pasta sauces like he took everything and I mean I understand the person likely had a need right um did they go for 96 eggs like two dozen maybe no I mean I get that but like sharing is caring and they could have come back and got more at another time. It's turned you off from doing it because you know that the risk is there for one person to take everything that you put there. It just made me sad because I was like, okay, if one person, if four families came and took

two dozen eggs each, that's four families versus one or eight families that each get one dozen and a couple other items. Like I want to help as many people as possible, but when you have one fucking an asshole come clear out everything, it makes it hard. But I restocked the thing. Obviously, I'm not going to have as many eggs as I did. But I restocked it with like shelf stable items again because I'm like, that's not going to stop me from hopefully helping somebody else.

But Jesus, like, why? Why? The SNAP benefits situation also sent me into a spiral. I was crying on the phone with somebody the other day because I was just like, this is not political. This is like humanity. Truly. It's just, it's, but the, Ms. Rachel, you know what Ms. Rachel is? Yeah. She like got online, I guess on TikTok maybe and said something about like, you know, people are being intentionally starved and she didn't realize that that was going to be controversial because people are upset about how they use their food stamps. Well, I'm here to tell you that I pay a third of my income to taxes. And I don't give a fuck what people buy with their food stamps. And I don't give a fuck what people buy because. that's the whole fucking point. Like, I do not give a shit if you buy your kid Oreos with food stamps,

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It's not going to get them very far unless they're going to be a doctor or a lawyer. So let's start there. I will say this too, Lindsay, in case you didn't know, I guess like the food banks, if you could donate like actual cash or checks, they have partnerships with vendors where they're able to get more for the cash than we are from like the grocery store. So I just want to call that out for anyone who's wondering, you know, yeah, obviously start in your own pantry if there's something in there, if there's things in there that you're not going to use, like donate them or like go buy. But also, they do get more for their, with our money to donate, they get more than we would. My church just did a food drive. And I think it was only one day.

It was like this past Sunday. And they collected a lot of canned goods and stuff that like will not go bad to be able to give back the local. people in our community. And they were just talking about how like every dollar counts, right? Like don't think that just because you gave $5 and John down the way gave $100 that your money doesn't matter. No, it does. I think a lot of people just feel like, okay, well, I don't have enough to give or because somebody else is giving so much more than me that like my dollar doesn't matter, but it does. No, it absolutely does. It absolutely does. Like, if I, shit, if someone would have given me $2 on a Monday when I was a kid, I would have got a whole meal. So what was that like

growing up? Um, your mom qualified, but she just, it was like a pride situation. Yeah, some years, like I remember in elementary school, um, specifically in fourth grade. I remember, like, I had, we had lunch tickets. And so, like, you had to fill out a thing. And then your tickets were coded. to like full price lunch, reduced price or free. And so I think because my mom knew that, she was like embarrassed. So she didn't,

she wasn't consistent with filling out the paperwork. It also was dependent on who she was dating at the time. Like, um, if she had a boyfriend, like I don't know if she didn't want the boyfriend to know. I don't really know. Um,

some years I had free lunch. Some years I had reduced lunch. But some years I just didn't eat lunch at all because at that time when we were growing up, there wasn't like, um, I don't even know. Like,

You can't just like go to the. Maybe you could and I never asked. I don't know. Like maybe they would offer kids that couldn't. I don't know. But today like Lux and Creed, they can go get free lunch during the day and free breakfast. And I just think about like growing up. But when I went to high school, my mom never ever, ever gave me lunch money. Ever. I never had lunch money. The only way I ate was from Ariel's family giving her tens and 20s every single day for school. That's wild. I do remember our county and I don't know if this was like a nation. wide thing or not, but it was either during COVID or like shortly after COVID school lunches where I want to say free for two years for all students. That's not the case anymore. I don't know whenever that went away. But I loved that. And then they also do this program for summertime where parents can come and pick up meals and stuff for their children during the summer. Like so you go to the local school and they provide things like juices and milks and fruits and stuff like that. I've never heard of that. I don't know if our school does it.

But I told my kids all like, what's today? Tuesday. I started telling them on Sunday, take multiple snacks to school every day. And if someone asks you for a snack, give them their, like an entire snack. Like I just worry because there are a lot of. of low-income families, like where we live. And so I don't want anyone to be embarrassed. And I just, I keep asking them to remind them, like, what do you do if someone wants some

of your snack? And he's like, just give, you know, they're like, give one of them. And Lincoln doesn't really like to bring a snack to school. But I said, I know if you don't want to eat it, that's fine. Just give it to one of your friends. And I don't really give a, I don't care if they have a snack or not. You don't know what their situation is when they get home. Maybe they have a snack for school, but they don't have a snack for at home.

Like, just give it to them because I literally keep thinking about how like the twins specifically in Rio eat snacks all day fucking long, all day long. And like to think about a child not having the access to go in the pantry and pick out any fucking snack they want at any given time makes me so upset. It's heartbreaking. Just, you know, and I, I never want to shame Jackson in a situation to where like you should feel so fortunate that you're able to go into a pantry and get five snacks after school. You know, like I never want him to feel bad because I'm providing that for him.

but at the same time, I do want him to have a level of awareness that, like, this is not everybody. Yeah. And I'm like, you don't talk about it with them. If they don't, if they don't feel comfortable sharing, like, don't ask them questions. Just give them the snack. Like, you don't, and you don't even have to like the person. Just give them the fucking snack. I might contact the school whenever we get off of our recordings and see if maybe I can do

like a Sam's drop off for like Jack's grade for like the teachers for them to have the extra snacks in the class because I do. know, like Jackson's a little bit shy. I don't know if he would just like walk around offering a snack to somebody, but I could just provide it through the teacher. That's smart. I didn't even think about that. I thought about pulling my camper to fucking rofo up there by Acme at the grocery store and just using it as a food bank, but I don't know when I'll have the time. He said just using the camper as a food bank. I will. Well, because I'm like, how else am I going to cart? Like, I wonder if we could do that. You know what I mean? Because

I would imagine that the food I just feel like so many people aren't having the conversations that need to be had and I'm definitely having those conversations in my house. I just wish that it was easier or more easily accessible to be able to help people. Yeah. Programs and stuff like food banks and stuff make it kind of hard like even to this point. And I don't know if it's just like an area thing for us, but make it really hard to even volunteer to give your time. That's so interesting. I just think about all the people that have. like helped me i remember i told you this before but like walking across the street and steve had this like little shop this little like convenience store yeah didn't have enough money

for the chips and it was just a few cents but he just he was like just take it you know what i mean like just just take it and you know pay me back later and obviously i never did um but do you feel like from your childhood that that shaped the way that you view food yeah because when i did have access to food then, I, like, overindulged. Like, I over ate when I did have access to food. And I mean, you could ask my, my uncle's on TikTok. And sometimes he comments on my stuff. And it's so funny, but I'm like, y'all don't believe me, go ask him. He'll tell you that I was walking down the street, walking my happy ass right down to his house and say, hey, can you all feed me? So it's more like a binge eating because you, like, didn't have for so long prior to that

I mean, obviously I'm not a therapist, but that's my guess. Like, now that I look back and Like, oh, when I was able to eat, I ate so much. My friend's parents were probably like, what the fuck? Like, why does she eat that much? That's so crazy. No, okay, so I have this rule in my house. It's kind of related, but like not really. If you were hungry enough for a meal, you need to ask me to like make a meal.

Like I'll make a sandwich, dino nuggets, macaroni and cheese, something like that, like a tootino's pizza, whatever. Don't go into the pantry and get six. different snacks because that indicates to me that you need a whole meal. Yeah, I would agree. But if your kid is anything like my children, Rio is not he, Rio is protesting meals right now. And it's very hard because it's one of those things where it's like, okay, I don't want him to snack all day. But he's not eating his meals. And it's like, okay, what am I going to have to do? Like starve him for two days of snacks before he will actually be hungry enough to eat a full meal. But then I have the twins who just

turn two, when I tell you that the twins will eat any fucking thing, like, they would have eaten the octopus if I would have put it in front of them. Valley will eat any fucking thing that you put in front of that girl. Really? Anything. It doesn't matter what it is. All the inverse will fuck it up. Isn't it so crazy that you can have children in the same home raised the same way and that

they're that different? And then here we have Lincoln, the pickiest eater I have. have between it's between him and Creed are my pickiest eaters and now Rio, I guess. Lincoln doesn't eat anything. He probably has like a list of five things that he eats. Here he goes, trying the fucking octopus. So please explain to me how you have the audacity to eat an octopus, but you won't eat real chicken that I breaded and put in the oven.

I think it probably has something to do with the thrill of the idea of knowing that it's something like so taboo. I was disgusted. Like, have you ever seen an octobody, like those little phone things that you put on the back of your phone? Yeah, this. Somewhere. Yeah, that. It looks like that on the plate.

Yeah, no. That's a no for me. For me, it's like an octopus is so smart. How? Why is it on a plate? You can't get over it. Like, that octopus probably felt you slicing its tentacles off and I'm not okay. And I also read remarkably bright creatures, which is going to be a movie.

And once you read that book, there is no eating an octopus. Okay. So do you remember back in the day when Walmart became a super center and they had like the lobsters like swimming around like in the tank? Yeah. And you could like them to like cook them. I always thought that that was so inhumane. Like yes, do I love lobster? Absolutely.

Do I buy lobster from Sam's Club? Yes, I fucking do. But you don't want to see it alive. But I don't want to see it alive. and, like, people put those in pots and supposedly they make noise, like, when they're being cooked. Oh. And I don't know how much truth there is to it. I have never done one, but I would imagine that would be the case because if you're putting something live down in, like, a boiling pot of water.

Why are we boiling live lobsters? Kristen says it's true. But why are we, why are we boiling them alive? Why are we doing that? I don't know. We cannot be so naive to believe that, like, as humans, we're not going to eat meat. Like, in a perfect world, I'd go vegan, but, like, it's just not realistic for me. Kristen said, maybe let's move on from killing the shit that we eat before I vomit.

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Wait, what? Back up. Give context. I'm going to just let Kristen play this TikTok that I've sent in our group chat. Team found a living female line descendant of a suspect's sister and tested her. Again, it was a match. After 137 years, the science pointed to one man. And it's not who you think.

It wasn't a prince. It wasn't a doctor. It wasn't a famous artist. His name was Aaron Cosminsky. The name might not ring a bell, but to the police in 1888, it was at the top of their list. This wasn't a new suspect. This was the man they always thought it was. Aaron Cosminski was a Polish immigrant who had fled to London.

He worked as a hairdresser. in Whitechapel, the very heart of the terror. He was known to be mentally unwell, a man plagued by dark visions and violent rages. What many overlooked is that the top cops of the day practically shouted his name. Chief Constable Melville McNaughton wrote a famous memo in 1894 that named Kisminski as a primary suspect. He described him as a man who had a strong homicidal tendency, But the most chill And so I thought that was really interesting

because I wasn't really super familiar with Jack the Ripper like the entire war and like what he did but Jack the Ripper the name Jack the Ripper came from a letter sent to London newspaper in 1888 which was signed Jack the Ripper

and so he ended up killing five women so between August 31st and November 9th, 1888 so we're talking about like the fucking 1800s in London, he murdered five women that came to be referred to as Jack and Ripper murder cases. And so there's been so many like documentaries and all kinds of stuff. And so I get on TikTok last night and everyone's tagging us in it saying, can we please cover this? Which obviously we don't need to go in depth, but I just thought that was fascinating

that it was the number one suspect that they had. They just couldn't prove it. And so finally they were able to prove it. But what can be done now? Isn't that so crazy that 137 years later? But, like, this is the ice cream shop. Did you watch the ice cream shop murders? No, I don't know what that is. It was these young girls that worked at an ice cream shop. There's a documentary on it. And they were assaulted.

Pannies were found. I think the place was lit on fire. and they had these suspects, but they never could, like, technically prove anything. And then some of the, two of the boys ended up going to prison, ended up getting out. And then I just saw something not too long ago that there was a DNA link or like match to someone that was not either of them. Oh, interesting. So was there crazy? wait so were the two suspects that went to prison were they did they participate in it or it was not them at all i don't know um i would venture to say they probably did participate just based off of the evidence that was presented that got them convicted in the first place i don't know but don't you think it is so crazy if two people that are capable and willing to murder someone would cross paths

what's so crazy is that we cross paths of people who do like heinous shit just out in the world like i just or like grocery store the dots don't connect for me because i don't i don't think that way so like when i hear about like two people meeting and like going on a killing spree like all these documentaries on morbid podcasts and shit like that i'm just like how do you guys share this like common interest like it's it was hard enough for me to get involved in in the book world and find other people who were willing to read, imagine if I had like an interest in killing people. How hard would it be for me to like share that interest with someone and then follow it through? I just wonder when you see stuff like that. Number one, how do they

find each other? That's what I'm saying. Like was it the interest of one, like if we're just talking about like two people that are doing these crimes together, like was one like the lead like person and they talked about it so much that the other person was like mentally ill enough to like go along with it. That's what I'm saying. Like it's just so bad. I hope that when Coburger dies, they study his brain. Actually, I wish they would like scan it and shit now. I wish that he was, um, but he was also alone. Like he didn't do it with somebody. I guess finding someone who like had a partner in crime and then scan their brains. I wish that he would be donated to science like now. I know that sounds like really bad. I need more information on like why he did what he did and we'll

probably never know. Speaking of like true crime stuff though, I just finished watching monsters. Like I started watching it last weekend and then I finished it up this weekend. That was some crazy shit. I have a soft spot for Ed Gain. I know that's an unpopular opinion. You're the second person that's actually said that to me. Somebody said that to me last night and said that they developed a soft spot for him at the end of what do you call it, like the show, the series. Yeah, I, it's my own belief.

It's my own opinion that he was likely not born that way and that was developed. Whatever mental illness he suffered from, it's my opinion that he didn't. developed it from whatever traumatic events, his mother and father inflicted on him. And I also don't love that they, um, insinuated that he committed more crimes than he did and more murders than he did because he didn't do, uh, like I, it's never been proven that he killed his brother, um, no evidence of him killing the babysitter. Um, although I did read some controversial takes on the voice that was used for him in the, um, monster series. but I have never listened to the tapes.

Someone did tell me about the tapes on Amazon Prime. I forget what it's called. There's like a series on Amazon Prime where it's like the actual tapes of his confessions and things like that. I want to go back and listen because I want to see what the voice sounds like his voice. Why are they saying that the voice doesn't like match up with what he actually sounded like? Yeah, they were saying it was like an inaccurate situation. I mean.

And then the girlfriend. Adeline, Adeline, Adeline, in real life, she, the first interview that she did, she said that they had a romantic relationship for 20 years. And then immediately a week later, she does a second interview where she denies, and it was all platonic. She says it was all platonic. Well, I'm inclined to believe you're, the first time, because you didn't know the hate that you were going to get. And you were being on the first time is my guess. Well, it kind of like touched on that a little bit in the press conference that was in the Monsters show. She definitely had some stuff going on mentally with her too. The woman that they were like sort of like romanticizing that was like

killing all those people and making furniture out of the Jewish people that they killed in during the Holocaust. She was real. Like she was a real person and that was based on facts. That's so crazy. Do we do we know if Ed Gain or Gain, whatever you said his name was, was the, having sexual relations with a corpse, was that? It was never proven that he had, he did not have, what is it, necrophilia? He didn't have that. It's never been proven. He's never showed, admitted to anything like that.

And that was not, and everything that I read, because like obviously went down a rabbit hole for a couple days after watching that. And there's no evidence that he actually had sex with the horse. did it ever say i don't remember it saying on the series uh was his mom ever like tested or diagnosed with anything because i could imagine the amount of mental turmoil that you would go through if that was your mother i don't know that she was ever to i don't even think schizophrenia was like a thing at that time like we didn't know about it yeah i think it was like not um because that's what I would say if obviously we're not doctors. But after watching that, I would say that if it was a thing, that that's what he would have been diagnosed with. So it says that

schizophrenia was first described in the late 19th century. Around 19, the word schizophrenia was coined by the Swiss psychiatrist. Although Wikipedia and AI are saying two different things, but they're both saying the 19th century, Ed Gein, let's see, 1906. So, yeah, around that time, I don't know. It's hard to say, but I feel like I read something about schizophrenia not really being a thing at that time. I would be really curious to know, like, what they would have diagnosed his mom with. But I don't lie, like the, when I was watching it, like how she was so adamant of, about her boys not having girlfriends or...

And she wishes that Ed was a daughter. Like she was so upset because Ed was a boy and she wanted a girl. But then hating girls, I don't understand that part of it. You would think that with the dad being a drunk and whatever that she would hate men. I could think that logically made sense to me was that she didn't want her boys to go through anything that she had. gone through and while they were boys, if they were going to choose to be with a woman, she didn't want to see that situation because the dad was so bad in her eyes. Like maybe that's where it came from, but it just didn't make sense to me. And I, I couldn't make sense of him

with the bra and panties situation thing either. Well, I think he was so obsessed with like bringing her back that I think it was like more of that. Yeah. But did you know that the Texas Chainsaw Massacre was based on Ed Gein? No, I did not know that. Yeah, that was inspired by Ed Gein. Oh, wow. This episode is sponsored by BetterHelp. Shorter days don't have to be so dismal.

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And we wonder why so many people died in childbirth. Like back then, they were just taken chainsaws to their stomachs? Why were chainsaws invented? That doesn't even make sense to me. It says chainsaws were originally invented in the late 18th century for medical purposes, specifically to assist with complicated childbirth by cutting through bone and cartilage more efficiently than a hand saw.

So first, they were using a hand saw to perform C-sections. And then they were like, hold on, let's put a fucking battery pack in this bitch and just fucking rip her to shreds. But how did they, if they were using a chainsaw, then how did they stitch them up?

If I had to guess, they probably died. So they had a baby and then they passed away? I think they were cutting the, pubic bone. Kristen said what bones were being cut. I believe it was the pubic bone, like where your vagina way. I mean, think about like with a C-section today. They were doing C-sections this way instead of horizontally. Really? I wonder when that changed when they stopped doing them that way, like when they stopped using chainsaws. I mean, let's just the root cause of this was that this was all men's ideas. Like men did this. They were like, yeah, you know what? Let's use a handsaw

to cut this baby out of her. And if she dies, we'll try to put a battery pack in a hand saw and then we'll cut them vertically. They were like, yeah, this is a great idea. I mean, I just think of the amount of precision that takes place now, like in a C section. How could you be precise at all with a fucking chainsaw? Like, how? How did that? sound gop? Rhyr. Isn't that what it sounds like? And it's like a moving belt.

No, I know. But like to think that you're just like, yep, let's just chop her up. Now I have a seat. I had a, my C-section scar when I had one was this big. Wait, which kids did you have C-section, the twins? Yeah. And that's it? That's it.

That's the only C-section I had. And they were able to even just like move it down. But if it was a fucking chainsaw vertically, I would have, had to live with that scar if I lived at all. You wouldn't live. Like, you can't convince me. I would love to know people, like, in history books that survived being chainsawed. How?

No, they would have died by now, right? Yeah, Kail. That would have been, like, in the 1900s. What's wrong in the 1800s? I don't fucking know. They'd be dead, right? Like, all fucking ancestors were, like, using chains. chainsaws, you know? I wonder at what point did like C-sections take the turn and they were like,

okay, we're now going to use like a scalpel? A scalpel? Is that the thing? Yeah. I'm pretty, I mean, they don't let you see. They don't let your partner even look over, like you're not supposed to look over the curtain at all. So I think it's a scalpel, but I don't know. Like back in the day, why didn't people be like, oh, we should definitely come up with like a better alternative than just like gearing up this chainsaw. My guess is it probably had something to do with the fact that only men had rights during that time. So it was like, oh, men will make the decisions.

And men will choose a chainsaw and a hand saw. And they were like, actually, we'll burn it closed with a lighter. Like, what the fuck? Like, I'm concerned. I've been concerned since we started this conversation. Wait, can you tell everybody who's listening? Because I have a lot to say about this. Lululemon registering the Lululemon.

You guys, I sent in the group text with Lindsay and Kristen. Lindsay has been a long lover of Lululemon, and I have nothing of Lululemon. I've never tried them. I don't even know if I've been to the store, but it was reported that Lululemon just trademarked the term Lululemon dupe to crack down on copycats. And I just, I feel like we've talked about it. And so we don't have to go like too far into it. But part of me is like, well, you would be smarter to create a more affordable brand and put it under the same umbrella so that you could just collect the funds from all.

Like you would be so smart to like create a Lulu Lemon dupe. And it's literally the same thing, but cheaper, but you're collecting the money. And then you still have the people who are like, like name chasers, like brand name lover and collect the funds there too. Like I'm not, I used to be where I'm like, oh, I want like the Lou Lemen leggings and like the jacket and the active wear shirts and stuff like that because it had like the Lululmin like label on it or like little sticker looking thing. I don't know at what point like maybe when I decided that I was just going to be a Sandy Saber. I didn't care about it anymore. But now it's so weird because I was washing leggings literally. yesterday. I wash them all like in one load of laundry. And I still keep going back to my

Lulu Lemon leggings. Okay. Well, here's the thing. I'm going to order. I was going to do a no buy November, which is like sort of like no shave November, but it's no buy November. I'm not buying shit in November. You have participated in both. But there, well, I mean, I have not shaved in a long time down there. So I'm kind of doing both. I am going to buy a pair of Lulu lemon leggings and I have been wearing my Amazon leggings that come in a pack of three for probably a year now, I have always compared them to Lou Lou Lemons because I love them so much, but I'm going to get a real pair. Actually, I'm going to order them right now. I am probably going to go to Lulu Lemon. Like, I love to go to the Lulu Lemon store and I don't really like to go to

stores, but I need to feel like textures and I need to like see it with my eyes and my hands, you know like true to size i would say true to say well i'm in a size four so it's like european sizing for leggings yeah i have to buy jeans with jawstrings so what the fuck do i order i don't know i would say do you not have louis linsey i live in fucking dover delaware i know i've been there one time and i'm like what is going on mortified by the hotel options that we have here. Do you think we have Lulu Lemon? It's just a lot. And like, I still can't get over the Wawa. Like, the way you have hyped it up for so many years. And I'm just like, there's nothing. Okay. Well, we'll go to a Circle K then. A Circle K. We have those here. Wait, where do you go?

Quick trip. Quick trip. Quick trip. Quick trip. I need to go to a race track. I need to go to a quick trip. I need to go to a quick trip. I need to do all the things. Also, I don't know if you know this, but my dad's burial ceremony is this weekend. Wait, so you're going to Texas again. Yeah. I go to Texas on Thursday when this episode is airing on. I will be actively flying to Dallas. How are you feeling?

I feel fine. If I'm being honest, I'm not in the mood to travel right now. I'm going through a lot mentally. And I'm just like kind of drained. but my cousin, my first cousin is flying in from North Carolina with her kids and then my sister will be there. So I am, despite the circumstances, really excited to see my family. But I'm just out of the traveling mindset. Like when I'm traveling back to back to back to back, it's easier for me because it's like that's what I know. When I go weeks and weeks and weeks beyond like between trips,

I have a harder time. It's because you fold like into your regular daily routine at your house and then you go and do like this one little trip where it's a couple of days and it throws you all off of your routine and then you go back to your routine it's so hard yeah that's exactly what it is because i'm just like there's like for me to leave my to leave delaware for several days is is rough because of like all of the moving parts and all the kids and where they're going to be and who they're going to be with if it's not me and you know with two of the dads living out of state it's been a challenge so i will you know I prefer to stay put now.

I'm going to stay put until the end of the year. And then that's when I am requesting that we're going to start reporting in person come January. I'm also down with that. I feel like I could get behind that, just take the rest of the year to just chill. Let me tell you something. I have gone to Target a couple times in the last few weeks, which I am not a typical target goer because it's on the other side of town. But every time that I've gone, the last we'll say two or three times, my phone, service goes out for like several hours. So I feel like you should do a class action lawsuit.

Wait, why is your phone going out? No clue. And it won't work for several hours after I leave. You guys, we have been talking about saving money and I'm talking about a no by November right now because I have big financial goals, but I love hitting all of my financial goals with Rocket Money. If you guys don't know what Rocket Money is, it's a personal finance app that helps find and cancel your unwanted subscriptions, monitors your spending, and helps lower bills so that you can grow your savings. And I've talked about this for years. Three years ago, I was able to put an in-ground pool in because I use Rocket Money to create a savings account for that specifically. Rocket Money shows you all of your expenses in one place, including subscriptions that you

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in the store, like they're going through and using commissionable links for it. But, like, I didn't buy it. Okay. So I just talked about this with someone. You did? Yeah. I watched a girl, a smaller, I guess like a micro influencer or something. She was talking about how she makes content. And she was saying that she like goes into the dressing rooms and tries on the outfits and links them through commissionable links, but she might not buy them. But she tried it on. How do we feel about it? Like people who are listening to this are, you wanting to see like all of the things even if it's somebody like doing these tryons and stuff like in the dressing rooms of these places but it's not items that are like tried and

true or they've worn them and can actually give you a real review because if I'm going to be influenced by someone it's not going to be influenced by that like I'm going to be influenced by somebody who's like okay well I've worn these specific leggings for one whole year and I love them and these are the reasons why I love them, not somebody doing a target try-on in a dressing room and not buying any of the items. So Kristen said in the chat, it depends what I'm looking for. If I'm looking for styling, I don't care. I sort of have the same, like, viewpoint. Like, I know these leggings that I have on right now. I've been wearing them for a year or longer and I've repurchased like two or three packs of them just because I like to have black leggings.

So I think it really depends. I personally, wasn't offended. I thought that it was smart for her because it's like, okay, go in the dressing room with these items. I'm styling it. I'm showing you what it looks on this like midsize or plus size body, whatever. And then maybe she didn't have the funds to buy it. And then with the commissionable links and she's posting it, now she has the money to go buy it. And I also think it depends on the brand, right? Like if you are American Eagle is something that I typically like their stuff and I like the fabrics they use and things like that. So that to me would be worth it. If it's like Amazon fast fashion, Sheen, um, TikTok shop, I'm going to be a little bit more

wary about it. And that's going to piss me off because I don't think that all of those qualities are equal. I just, I don't know. Maybe, maybe because I have tried to do like the underconsumption thing. I haven't been like totally successful with it. So I'm not going to act like I have. But if I am looking at stuff that I might like or would want to purchase, I don't want to see somebody take a whole bunch of stuff into a dressing room, do like styling of these items, link the stuff that they didn't purchase. And then there's no actual real review. Like I can go into Target just like that person didn't look at the stuff. Like what value, I guess, are we getting from that. Okay. For example, for me, like my body type is a little bit different than I would say

average. So like if I found a creator that had a similar body type as I have and they did that and I see how it fits on the person, I personally don't give a fuck if you bought it or not. I want to see if you have gaping in the back. I want to see if, you know, if you do this oversized shirt and you are not super big chested like I used to be and I'm pretty average now, you know, how are you wearing that oversized top to make it flattering to your body. So I personally wouldn't give a fuck at that point if it was, if you bought it or not, I want to see how it fits. But there are certain things that I feel like you have to own it.

I want to know what the, I want to know what the sustainability is. And also just like with the economy, the way that it is, I just feel like I want to look at somebody's stuff and be like, okay, that is like a tried and true something. And they absolutely love it. and they gave me all the feedback on it, and that's why I'm going to spend my money. Like, I did a video this morning on this, like, little half sip that I bought. This is from TikTok shop, which I think can also be purchased on Amazon. And I literally said in the video, I don't love it.

The quality is not great. And I probably wouldn't recommend it. But if you bought it, like, here's how I styled it kind of thing. I'm not recommending this to people. I'm going to link it in case you like it. Because I feel like it is giving, like, credible. Like, you bought, you spent your money on it. You tried it.

And you told everybody, like, yes, I have it, but I would not recommend buying it. Like, if you want the cheetah print, go ahead. If you have the perfect shoes you want to wear with it, go ahead. But am I recommending it because of the quality or the durability or the sustainability? No, this is going to be washed twice and probably fall apart. And on that note, we have to all play. My son is almost four months. However, our first night home from the hospital was a shitty one.

In the hospital and in all the pregnancy Facebook groups, everyone was preaching, quote, don't stop your stool softeners, end quote, whatever you do, don't stop your stool softeners. So I decided to listen and try to avoid learning the hard way. Well, that didn't pan out. As I'm doing a middle of the night feeding, just sitting in my rocker, passed down from my mom and was gifted to her by my great-great-grandfather, the shit just starts pouring out. And I mean, it won't stop coming. I'm a three-day-old baby. I just can't stop and clean up. So I have to sit in it until he's done, and I can put him back in his basinet.

I didn't wake up his dad as I was exclusively nursing at that time. I finally got him back down and spent an entire hour cleaning myself. Not the reason I expected to need my upside-down peri bottle, but I'm so happy I had it. Turns out they had already given me my dose of stool softeners before leaving the hospital that day. So he doubled my dose by accident. Thank God for the adult diaper. It kept everything contained while I finished nursing and saved the rocking chair that was passed down to me. P.S, this was then my boyfriend's favorite story to tell when people came to visit our baby.

I know you both have a lot going on right now, so I'm hoping this brought a little laugh or two. Keep your heads up and the kid gang loves you guys. I'm fucking crying because that would be something that happens to me. Okay. I do have to like give this little story. When I had Jackson, one of the requirements for me to leave that hospital was, to take a shit. Yep.

Told Kristen that the other day. Well, I lied and said I shit. Yeah, same. Because I was not staying there any longer than I had already been there. No. Matter of fact, if you need me to shit so bad, come suck it the fuck out of my ass because I'm getting up out of this bitch. Like, I need to leave and I need to go home and I need to shower in my shower and

I need to have my baby at my house. Yep. So I'm taking a stool softener and nothing's happening. like days later nothing's happening please tell me why the first shit after birth was worse than the pain of giving birth did it feel like razor blades on my asshole yes literally yes oh my it felt like my asshole was ripping yes and i do not like why is that i don't know i don't understand especially because like well i don't know about you do you have to take stool softeners for several days before it ever does something to you.

Oh, no. I had a recent incident where I hadn't shit in like seven days. Took a stool softener. And do you know that they now have like the, have you ever had like chewable tombs? Like the two kind? They now have like stool softeners that are chewable. And it tastes like candy.

I took a couple of those. And I shit within probably. like four hours. Well, I went to the GI doctor about two weeks ago and she prescribed me things. I don't plan on taking those until I'm going to be home for several days because I don't know what will happen to me because I either don't shit for days at a time or I'm shitting myself. And so I can't take any of that until I know I'm going to be home for a while. Kristen said, is your shit spiky or something? Like, I don't know what it is. Like that first shit after giving birth, when I tell you, this is no exaggeration.

Will checked on me probably 10 times. I was in the bathroom for three hours. Three hours. Because it hurts. It feels like a razor blade cutting through every crevice of your asshole. Yep. Like someone is just slicing right up your crack. But I did not experience the, um, the, um, the, um, the,

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