Coffee Convos with Kail Lowry and Lindsie Chrisley - Four Day Work Weeks & Lisa Frank Breaks Our Hearts

Episode Date: January 2, 2025

CC391: Lindsie and Kail struggle with the trend of butterfly skirts being too short for certain ages. We are big supporters of four day work weeks and Kail explains how it would make a real difference in some familial situations. Lindsie watched the Lisa Frank docu-series on Amazon Prime and shares all the crazy details with Kail. One of today's Foul Plays is a reminder to Kail that she refuses to live with dementia.   Thank you to our sponsor! Better Help: This episode is brought to you by BetterHelp. Visit BetterHelp.com/coffee today to get 10% off your first month. CookUnity: Go to cookunity.com/coffeeconvos or enter code COFFEECONVOS before checkout for 50% off your first week. Thrive Causemetics: Get an exclusive 20% off your first order when you visit thrivecausemetics.com/COFFEE

I hate gift giving and receiving. Receiving gifts is so weird. What do you say? Thank you. This is coffee convos with Kale Lowry and Lindsey Chrisley. I really want you to be in your feels Kale. That does not interest me whatsoever. I feel very attacked by you. A spirited discussion about motherhood, friendship, family, and life in the public eye. I'm just not with the fakery anymore. There's a fakery bakery around here. Here's Kale and Lindsey. Good fucking morning, kiddies. Good morning. Welcome back to another episode of Coffee Convo's podcast. What are you doing? I joined the news in Chicago, not Dallas, contrary to my own belief. I also meant to put a sleeve on this because I'm not promoting this. I'm a ghost girly now. So from now on, you will not hear from me speaking about Elani.

I've got a big bone to pick with you about the ghost. This is all I have right now. I hate it. You hate ghost? What flavors have you tried? Because let me tell you something. The Sour Patch ones are everything. That's the one I tried and I absolutely hate it.

We're going to fight. And then because I tried that, Jackson was like, mom, does that taste good? And I said, no, it tastes absolutely horrible. He was like, well, I've been meaning to tell you that I don't like sour stuff anymore. So you guys are on the same page with the sour stuff. I am hit or miss with sour. So it really does depend, but we'll see. You know, I don't like candy and I really don't like sweets that much at all. Did I

tell you this time last year that I had a horrible allergic reaction to baking soda? I don't believe you did. Well, I don't believe you told me. Not that I don't believe that you didn't. I do believe you did. Well, I don't believe you told me. Not that I don't believe that you didn't. I do believe you had an allergic reaction. Kristen saw the photos of what I looked like after said allergic reaction. I now can't eat any baked goods because most baked goods have baking soda in them. And I had something at my grandparents over Thanksgiving and then had the allergic reaction again. Baked goods have baking soda in them? That can't be.

No, because you use baking soda to clean products, like to clean fabrics. Well, that's not the only use that you can use baking soda. You can also put baking soda in your refrigerator so it don't stank. Well, see, I don't know how I feel about that. If we're using it as a cleaning product, should we be eating it?

I mean, what all is baking soda used in? What? Arm and hammer. Baking soda used in. That's exactly what caused my allergic reaction was Arm and Hammer toothpaste. Like I went to the bathroom, brushed my teeth, came out and I looked like,

you don't even wanna know what I looked like. I don't recall any of this. So if you talked about it and I forgot like, you don't even wanna know what I looked like. I don't recall any of this, so if you talked about it and I forgot, I do apologize. So it says that baking soda is a agent that helps baked goods rise. I just don't know how I feel about eating that in baked goods when we're cleaning. It says it can also be used to clean and deodorize.

You can also- That's not okay. You can also be used to clean and deodorize. You can also- That is not, that's not okay. You can also soak oven racks and a bathtub with hot water and baking soda to remove grease, oil, and crumbs. Okay, well we're not doing that. That's the thing though that I didn't know about. I'm not doing that, I'm never doing that. Can I tell you that I have been a bath girlie,

speaking of a bathtub, since I moved in this house, you know I didn't have a bathtub like in my old house. That was a part of like, I might be divorced because I took too many baths. So I didn't get a bathtub when I moved to my other house. And I was like, you know what? I'm not bringing that into another relationship. No, I take a bath every single night.

I love that for you. When I was pregnant, that's what saved my lower back was just taking baths in my tub. I haven't taken one a long time. I just shower, but I do love the option to have a bath. I love it. I was having a conversation with somebody last night and we were talking about kids and like clothes

and how they dress today, specifically girls. And I wanted to get your thoughts on it. Okay, so you know like these trendy, they look like skirts, but they kind of look like a butterfly. Have you seen them? No. They're called like butterfly skirts or something. Okay, let me look it up.

Okay, the butterfly skirts, they are shorts or they're skirts? So I think it's more like a sport because they're athletic. So they have like the athletic shorts underneath, but then it's like this butterfly effect on the top. Right, I'm seeing them. So I see like a lot of girls sometimes like if I'm in the grocery store or if I'm doing school pickup,

the middle school is right next to Jackson's elementary school. So I'll see the girls wearing these and they're so short. Or if I'm doing school pickup, the middle school's right next to Jackson's elementary school. So I'll see the girls wearing these and they're so short and I don't have a girl. So I don't know what that looks like. But when you get girls to that age, because I specifically remember when I was in middle school that I wanted like all these clothes from Abercrombie and then went through like the limited two phase where everybody was getting like these little short skirts or skorts and Todd Chrisley absolutely was not being a part of that. Like I was not allowed to wear any of that stuff and I felt so left

out. So like where is the line that you draw as a parent of that that is mothering girls? Where do you draw the line where it's like, okay, yes, it is a fashion trend, but it's like way too short for you to be wearing. And I feel like we're sexualizing these little kids. That's a layered conversation, I think, because on one hand, it's like, we don't want to perpetuate the idea that it attracts male attention, right?

And the problem is the men, it's not the child. However, we live in a society where that's like, we do have to be careful. And when I think of my daughter being old enough to wear something like that, I think of myself and you know, we can touch on this, you know, once when she's older, but I think of myself saying like, okay, stand up, let me check your finger, your fingertips lengths, and that's what you're allowed to wear. Like, I don't want to, because I want her to have the confidence that she doesn't. I

don't like it. Is it a confidence thing? Is it like, perverts? Like, is it there's just so many layers to it that I just don't know what the where the line is. But for me and myself, like I never really wore short stuff like that. I really never I just never had a problem with anything like that in regards to me wanting to wear super short things and then wearing them and you know, whatever that looks like I never I was sexually assaulted and I never wore things like that. Right. So that's important to know. However, I just I don't want my daughter regardless of the male attention or perverts or anything like that just, I don't want my daughter regardless of the male attention

or pervert or anything like that. I just don't want to see my daughter and stuff like that. I want her to worry about other things. And like, I think using like the finger tip rule for school, right? Like if it's, I have a problem with the finger tip rule though. And I always did growing up because I have long arms. So, you know, like, is that really a fair rule in school? Because you've got to look at different people's body types. Like some people have shorter arms. And if that's the rule, then they're going to be able to wear something substantially

shorter than a girl that's like longer and lankier. Let me see what my wear mine would be. So I think I have short arms. So actually, that's pretty short. The bottom of my butt is right here. But not everybody has short arms. So yeah, I mean, I think just using our best judgment and if she feels good, it is mostly like it's appropriate.

Right. And I just, I don't know because- It's like these trends, right? I feel it's so much easier in a lot of ways to be a boy mom, but it's harder in some ways to be a boy mom, right? But I don't deal with any of these like trends or anything when it comes to clothes. It's like, he's just always in a pair of athletic shorts. It's like the tall Nike socks and a sweatshirt, we're good to go.

But with the trends like the butterfly skirts or skorts, whatever they're called, you risk that, you risk because I have heard this too. One of my mom friends told me this, it's raising a girl, that her daughter wanted that butterfly skirt so bad that somehow she got said butterfly skirt and put it in her school bag and then went to school and the clothes

that she was approved to wear from home and then changed into that. Like you have to walk a very fine line when it comes to stuff like this because number one, you don't wanna create a sneaky child because you're being so strict. Number two, you want them to be somewhat modest and still be able to be a child.

But number three, you don't want them to feel left out. Yeah, I also think that for the butterfly skirt specifically, I like that there's like the spandex shorts underneath. And I feel like it being, having those would create a little bit more flexibility than just a regular jean skirt or something like that. So I do like the idea of the athletic shorts in the butterfly skirt.

So I feel like that does create some flexibility there. I need to hear from the girl moms that are on here and like how you deal with those specific situations. I think it would just be very interesting. Another trend that I absolutely cannot get behind, and I don't know if you've seen this. No, I can't. I won't. Nope.

I'm showing Kale a picture of toe charms for your Crocs. No. They look like toes and they have hairs coming off of them. That's not a pro. No, the answer is no. Can you imagine our kids rolling into the school like this? Because even though I can't get behind it, it's probably going in a stalking.

Like for funny, like a funny little bag gift situation. And I want to see the email that comes home to me. Specifically. I love crocs. You know, I don't do Christmas, but the kids when they come home from their dads, they will all have new Crocs, they will probably all have some dude dad, not dude dad. They will have some Crocs and some Hey dudes, and just some like basic essentials that are like really helpful,

especially with sports. But I still love Crocs and my kids love Crocs. But the charms of the toes are going to be a no from me. Oh my God, Will was talking about Hey Dudes the other day and he was like, you know, I saw some little kid wearing them around and so I'm buying Jackson up here because they look so cute. I didn't even know what Hey Dudes were. I don't know what planet that I've been living on. I didn't even know they were a thing. I get annoyed because I will ask the kids, like I'll see the trend of whatever is going on before they do.

And I'll be like, hey, do you want these, right? For example, the Ugg slipper slides that you can like wear outside. Yep. Crocs and then the Hey Dudes. And I asked all of my kids and Elijah, I said, what do you think about these? Cause like, they're like basically another version of crops where you can

slide them on your feet and kind of, but the hay dudes, you can dress up or down, which I think is nice. They're super convenient to like slide on and go. Why did everybody say no until they saw their fucking friends wearing them? And now all of a sudden it's, oh, actually mom, can you get me those? And it's like, I asked you four months ago. Well, goes back to what I was just saying about the butterfly skirt. It is the peer pressure. It's like, my friend has Hey dudes. And so I need Hey dudes. Like I wasn't wearing army pants and flip flops until it was on Mean Girls. I mean, I've always loved army pants.

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York Times article about a four day work week that I want to talk about. You can get behind that. You're like, yes, sign me up. I have actually, before I even read this article and talk about this really quick, I have been struggling and this is a blessing and a curse. So anyone listening to this, please, please, please do not take this as me being tone deaf because I'm not. I've been struggling because I have the flexibility of working from home to leave my office at

two 30 every single day to go get my kids from school. The problem that I'm running into right now is that I'm not finishing my work day at 2.30 when I leave to go get the kids from school. So by the time we get home from pickup is 4.30 and a lot of nights we have sports. I need to complete my work day. So what's happening is I'm either on the nights

that we don't have sports or appointments, one of my kids is in tutoring now twice a week, you know, I don't have time to come back into the office to finish my work for the day and then I have to roll it into the next day. Well, the problem is that I might not also be coming back to work into my office or I'm finding myself like last night came into my office at almost 8pm to finish my work day because I finished at 2.30pm. So that's what I'm running into now. I don't know what that looks like for this, but the article says inside the

four-day workweek experiment, this is a British group pushing for more companies to offer their workers shorter hours. And here's what it looks like for two companies willing to test it out. So they're saying in 2022, there was 56 of 61 participating companies or 92% of the companies that were entered in this and it was to pave the way for a 32 hour workday over the course of four days. And this was Iceland, New Zealand and Scotland and also the United States which was interesting because I didn't know that we were, I thought we were just like way behind on the trends. This is a quote from Anne-Marie Irwin, having looked at the research, frankly, it seemed like a no brainer and a British law firm specializing in public law and human rights is also participating

in the trial. They're optimistic that their businesses could maintain or even increase their output, which I would agree, right? Because you have more flexibility, even though you have to put more time in. This is what I actually did when I worked at the dentist office all the way up until I had Lincoln. We worked four day weeks. It was Monday through Thursday. And I loved it because even though we worked until 7pm, it also freed me up for it because even though we worked until 7pm, it also freed me up for Friday, Saturday and Sunday for full days. That was really nice. The other, the downside of it is that if we, if I had the kids in sports at that time, Monday through Thursday would be out for sports because if Javi was working until five or six, that would not be doable.

It wouldn't be feasible. But I do feel like society is set up for two-parent households, right? So it's like you've got one parent that is out working these long, crazy hours, and then the expectation that society has created is that there is a caregiver at home for these children. That's not the case for everybody. So back to your point where you said

you leave your office at 2.30, go and do a school pickup. these children, that's not the case for everybody. So back to your point where you said you leave your office at 2.30, go and do a school pickup. I run into that same issue because on my days that I have Jackson, I don't have a choice. I have to go and get him from the bus stop. And then we have like a million things that have to go on. So inevitably that work day on the days that I have him is cut off at 2 p.m.

Correct. And that's where it's, and again, this is not to come off tone deaf to anyone who is struggling. I mean, I have a girlfriend who has four kids, she's a single mom. It sounds good in theory to have a four day work week, right? Because if she is, she's a teacher, but like say,

she's getting all of whatever work done, lesson planning, everything else in those four days before she leaves the school. So she might not leave the school until 6 PM. Where are her kids during that time when she is a single mom who does not have help from the dads and they have sports, right? Like our kids play on the same sports teams. That would be a situation where we need a village that goes back to the entire conversation of having a village and not everyone has that. I don't feel like we do, right? Like Elijah and I do everything on our own after 4 p.m. and our childcare leaves for the babies. We do not have help. We have to give his mom

four to six weeks notice and that is just what it is. And that was something that we, you know, that was our doing. But the other part of it is that when I was at, where was I? And there was, I was at court the other day and this woman was listening to a conversation between my attorney and I, and it was, it was called, I think it was called wing mom. Don't quote me on the name of it, but it's called wing mom. And it's basically Uber, right? But not Uber, but it's a mom and they take turns picking up the kids and taking them to their sports, their tutoring, their jobs. But it's like a safer alternative to Uber and sticking your child into an Uber and sending them on their way. It's like a

little, let me look it up really quick. But I thought that was really interesting because that something like that could explode for, you know, a situation where certain cities or towns are really honing in on four day work weeks or four day school weeks is, let me look it up. I think it's called wing mom. And the mom in the waiting area that was listening to our conversation was like, oh yeah, I do wing mom. And I was like, what do you mean? And she's like, I alternate with other moms to do this. Okay, so Wing Mom is so weird. So it's all over.

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cost of this. So yes, it's available. Yes, it could explode, but is it accessible and affordable to everybody if we were to implement a four-day work week or four-day school week? Well, so if, I feel like that would be good for people who were also joining that as a participant to also do it because then they're getting paid to do it for someone else and you're paying for somebody else to do it. So you like break even? So it's like a break even type situation, they're getting paid to do it for someone else and you're paying for somebody else to do it.

So you like break even? So it's like a break even type situation. But financially, I don't think that that's doable for most people. And then you also run into the risk of if you are in a co-parenting situation like us, and I was just having the conversation with Kristin on the Southern T that like when you divorce or you're sharing custody with somebody else and It's a fair like 50-50 situation at the point that you decide to divorce or get out of that relationship You are signing up to lose 50% of your time

So during the 50% of time that you have your child you want to be the one that is physically present for all of those Things because you're already losing so much. Right. Do you feel guilt if you're choosing to do work something when you should be at a practice or a game or a doctor's appointment? Like that's a sticky situation. So my current situation right now, I and it's sort of weird because it's like choosing children, right? So Rio and Versant Valley, I scheduled their doctor appointment to go all together, right? But Creed has something that I need to go to. But I also had a work obligation.

And it's like, what the fuck do I do? Do I let go of the reins and let Elijah handle something that I feel like I want to be at, or both of us could be at, especially when there's three babies, but also go to Creed's thing. But also I have so much fucking work to catch up on. What do you do? And actually somebody asked me that

when I was in New Orleans for the Gypsy Rose interview was, who watches your kids while you're away? Like, do you feel guilty? Yes, I do. So when I scheduled all of my 2025 tour dates, I made sure it was when I don't have my kids because I'm not taking more time away when, again, I just got done saying how I'm coming back into the office at 7pm. My kids are still up at 7pm. Yep.

So what do I do? I want the flexibility to be able to go pick them up. But I also can't have it both ways. So what is the alternative? I don't know. And like that is something that I would love to ask our listeners, what are you doing when work is how you pay the bills, but you need to be there for their kids. And why are dads not asked the same thing, right? Because so many times I see TV shows,

I see, I hear real life stories about the dad is always working. Dad's in his office, dad's away on a business trip, dad is this, dad is that. Do they feel guilt? And how come nobody questions them and if they feel bad and who has it covered when they are working? Because I just feel like that to me, like how I picture it, and maybe it's not true, but when I think of dad's working and business and things like that, I'm like, is that just accepted for it is what it is and there's no guilt and conversation surrounding

that because I feel horrible. I think men's brains just work so differently though. Like it's a situation to where I believe for most this is not for all but for most I feel like okay I have to do this job, I have to do this work trip, this is how I provide Mom's got it for us. It's like we want to do the work. We want to do well at the work. We We want to grow but that requires travel for a lot of stuff which takes you away from the home and your children What do you prioritize at that point? I think for moms, it's so much harder because the maternal instinct. Well, I mean, I had to have a whole conversation with Kristin about dialing everything back for 2025 because, but then I'm also, that is, there are implications to that, right? Like I'm, I'm going to pass up on opportunities for my career because I need to be home with my kids. And that is a really, really hard pill to swallow.

Well, you have to look at their risk and the reward, right? Like what ultimately at the end of the day is going to make you feel more full spending the time with your kids or the paycheck? Because I think it's so hard because you see all of these opportunities at your fingertips, right? It's like, okay, I can be doing all of these things, but also you're losing the time that you will never get back with your children.

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if I continue moving forward the way that I did in 2024, I will never have that same relationship with them that I do with my four older ones because of the time away And that's not something that i'm willing to To do so when I had a conversation with Kristen, I was like listen, we're dialing back like this is what it is Sunday like this past sunday. The only thing that we had to do was take one of the kids to tutoring and Um, it was an hour-long appointment the rest of the day, I literally loved on my kids all fucking day long. And I was like, I would trade every paycheck in the world to make sure that I'm there for

my kids. And that's what I'm like, I know in my gut that it's the right decision. It's still hard. It doesn't make it any easier. But I literally best day on Sunday. And I was like, okay, like this is what I want every weekend moving forward. I don't want Again, here you and I are meeting at the same place because I had the same conversation with

Kristen and I said we went balls to the walls in 2024 and I don't regret any of it. No, of course not. Like it's not a regret, but I think there is a way to manage those things and put things into proper perspective and in a priority list to where you can do both of those things comfortably, but with boundaries, right? Yeah. I mean, what's crazy is like we were going over the tour dates. I selected six and then I got an email, Kristen, and I got an email and it was like, here's 10 more. You could make X amount of dollars.

And it was a life-changing amount of money. And I said, I literally can't, I literally cannot. So turning that down to be with my kids, the boundary, you have to. And boundaries are hard. I feel like, you know, oftentimes in the business that we're in, there's a lot of things that are thrown your direction. And it's like, okay, well, this, this amount

of money could change my life. Like, inevitably, it's going to change my life. But what is the risk? Not worth it. I want a relationship with my babies. I want to be as close to them as I am with my four older kids. And if I continued and it I know this sounds crazy, but it makes me think of all of the celebrities, like real celebrities, right? Like first one that comes to mind is Post Malone. He just had a baby not too long ago. I think she's like one or two, like the amount of tour dates and time away. And I'm not judging him, right?

Because we all have families and we all have careers. And this is like, you're only going to be post-molone for you know yeah you know this is you're a fucking rock star you're a legend like cool but like is like artist artists right like you are an artist you are a fucking legend so how does someone like that decide to because because that is who he is, right? But then he has a family. So I think of all the people who have kids and like go on tour, like do you take your kids on tour with you?

I mean, it's so crazy. And I have a bone to pick with you about Post Malone because I didn't like his music until he started dabbling in country. Could you like probably not look at me like that? I'm just like, how could you not? He's such a good energy. He's such a good. I don't like him. I didn't like the vibe of his music.

The vibes are what we're there for. No, the vibes of the country music that he's now dabbled in is what I am there for. See, some of the country songs have, it has taken some time for them to grow on me where his other songs, I love right away. The country ones I've had to listen to over and over and over again to be like, okay, I'm feeling it, I'm hearing it, you know, all of those things. So, but now I do like them. I will say, and I think I've said it before, I went to his F1 Trillion tour in Hershey Park and

I think I've said it before. I went to his F1 Trillion tour in Hershey Park and he was not well. He was not well. That was not a good show. He was very, very, very intoxicated to the point that the show was hard to get through. What? Yeah.

Oh no. And I think people who had never seen him before loved it. But for as someone who has gone on several, gone to several of his concerts, I was so sad for him was like heartbreaking to see because that wasn't what I've seen him do before. So I was a little bit like, Oh, I hope he's okay. And this isn't like the vibes for the rest of the tour. I'm thinking that might have been just like a one off. He is

going on tour. He's on tour now. I was looking at May dates, but I was gonna say. Maybe he just got into the liquor and he got lost. Lost in liquor. Yeah. But I don't know if you saw this, Jelly Roll, which I know you were a fan before he popped off. Jelly Roll's Good Night Nashville bar is being done.

It's like a sixth floor bar and it's burgers, liquor and tattoos. Did you see that? Oh, no. Let's go. I need a text phone, Bunny, and be like, how do we get tattoos here? Please put us at the front of the line really quick. I think it's like freaking dope. I saw the sign that they did. It's really cool. And Bunny needs to know that like I was a fan of jelly before He was like, I mean he was already jelly roll. I don't want it to sound like I invented him but Like I knew about him before everybody. No you did because when you told me about him I said what the fuck are you talking about? Like who is that? And I so we need

Work week because I feel like the only way that that would actually work is if it was like a multi-layer rollout, right? So I believe if it's going to be a four day work week, then we do a four day school week. Here's my next question. Yes, I would agree with that. If we're doing four day work week or if we kept five day school week because then the parents could catch up on anything else on that Friday when their kids are at school,

they're not worried about childcare, because or run errands or do whatever they want so they can actually do stuff on the weekends, right? But my next question there is for the four day work week and the hour situation, oh, I don't know what it was, oh, providing childcare and those types of things, like how would that work? I don't really what it was. Oh, providing childcare and those types of things. Like how would that work?

I don't really know how that would work, which is why I say it should be like a multi-layer rollout because to be able to implement that, there are a lot of other factors that come into play, right? I do think that it would be great for employers to offer or provide that because you have to consider, I remember like when I worked in my dad's office, if I needed to go get a physical or if I needed to go to the eye doctor or whatever, I would have to do that on a lunch break or take additional

time off. So if they're giving a four day work week, you can make all of your appointments on a Friday. Or if the four day work week, you could schedule it so that it doesn't necessarily have to be off on Friday. Maybe you work Tuesday through Friday and you're off on Mondays, or maybe you do Monday, Tuesday, off on Wednesdays. Like there's definitely ways to do it.

And I also think that that would benefit the company for a free extra day for people to do their appointments because they're not stopping their work day to go do it. And so I think to your point, like, what is it about us that we cannot figure this out in a way that make, because I do think that people who wanna work will be productive and they'll find a way to be productive and make this work.

And I just don't, I don't understand why we can't get, can figure this out. Well, speaking of moms and working, I don't know that you've had time to do this, but I spent my weekend watching the Lisa Frank documentary and it has become highly requested for us to discuss this. And you might not even ever have time or any interest to watch it, but I'm going to tell you everything about it. It's not that I don't have interest or that I don't have time. It's that- It's going to ruin your childhood, honestly.

It's going to ruin a lot of things for me. And I'm not prepared. I also feel like, and you can tell me if I'm wrong on this, but based on what people have done to me in terms of trying to villainize me or exaggerate shitty things that I've done, which they do, exaggerate it to the point that people hate me for it. I'm nervous that that's what's happening with Lisa Frank. I don't think so. I don't think so. And if you watch it,

I think that you might have a different perspective. Well, I think what you're saying is absolutely valid and you have to take certain things with a grain of salt and read between the lines. There's always two sides of a story and then the truth lies somewhere in the middle, right? If you guys have not watched this, it's called Glitter and Greed, the Lisa Frank story. It is on Prime. It is a four-part docu-series. I thought it was very well done. When I tell you the level of disappointment if these

things are true makes me really upset because I had a whole Lisa Frank club. Like my life revolved around Lisa Frank and there was not a folder that Walmart carried that I did not have and I could not wait for school supplies to come out because I had to be the first one on the school supply aisle. So I made sure that I got all the folders. What about her was so horrible. So did you know that Lisa Frank started with stickers? No.

You didn't know that. I mean, I feel like I vaguely, I feel like it started as like, you know, those like little bead kits that you can do when you're a kid and you like, yeah, and shit. I figured sort of that vibe is where she started, like something like that. Or maybe I knew the sticker thing, but I didn't, I knew it started small, but tell me this right now before you go any further, whose designs were they? Okay. so that's where it gets very interesting. So she gets married. She had this idea for Lisa Frank before her marriage.

Is that her real name, Lisa Frank? Yeah, that's her name. Okay, so she gets married. And she marries this man named James Green. Okay. Which I think it's very interesting that his last name is a color. Yeah. Right? She gets

married to him, has like this extravagant wedding. And I mean, I would expect nothing less from somebody like Lisa Frank. I also like remember, like a long time ago, you were like, did you know that this is what Lisa Frank looked like? And you sent me a picture of her and I'm like, I would never guess that she would look like a crazy cat lady. Now I have to look her up again because I don't actually know. I like don't remember Lisa Frank. Like she's not what she does not look like what the brand portrays to me. Oh, I mean, I don't know.

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your first order at thrivecosmetics.com slash coffee. That's Thrive Cosmetics, C-A-U-S-E-M-E-T-I-C-S.com slash coffee for 20% off your first order. She marries this man named James Green and she ends up gifting, sharing 49% of Lisa, or yeah, 49% of Lisa Frank Inc. with him. Okay. So she had, like you said, she has this vision of Lisa Frank brand, but she starts with stickers. She starts small.

The goal is to turn it into something bigger, but she shares almost half of it with the husband. With the husband, right? Okay. I'm tracking. So he is an artist, super creative. And through this documentary, he talks about how he was basically the ship that sailed this brand to where it got to.

Okay. And he was basically the artistic brain behind Lisa Frank. Okay. One of their boys is featured on this documentary, the other was not. I had no idea that she named her sons, Forest and I think Everest and their last name's Green. No, she didn't. Yes, she did. No.

I think is super cool. I'm like, that's, you know, artsy fartsy. Like I can totally get behind that. Because now we're talking about a creative mind, which is Lisa Frank and then the artistic mind, similar, the dad. And so now they're naming their a creative mind, which is Lisa Frank, and then the artistic mind similar, the dad. And so now they're naming their kids Forest Green, Everscreen. Okay.

I mean, I think it's a little tacky, but you know, I digress. I mean, it's very like along with the brand for me. Okay. So I can respect it. So apparently after she has these kids, she kind of steps away from Lisa Frank Inc. She's there a lot less, obviously becomes a mom, spending time with the kids. But the company must continue. The company continued.

Did you realize that Lisa Frank, I mean, we all like know about Lisa Frank, but did you realize that it was estimated to be a $66 million company? I mean, in today's money or back then? Well, I don't know where they estimated that. Where is the craziness here? Because what you're telling me is essentially what Kylie Jenner did with Kylie Cosmetics. And at the point that you sell almost half of your company

to somebody else, whatever entity that may be, a person, you know, you're merging with another company, whatever that looks like, you are now taking on that company, the new one is now in charge to help with these creative ideas is in charge of you guys have to be aligned in the direction of the company, whatever that looks like. So even if based on what you're telling me right now, I'm looking at Lisa Frank's colorful company as we know it today. And you're telling me that essentially it wasn't her, it was the

husband, he was the driving force behind it. He was the braids behind it. Oh, well, he sold, he had half the company. Of course it was, it was going to be one or the other, but together they created Lisa Frank, whatever that looks like. So to me, oh, fucking well, that's like saying killer goes and merge merges with call her daddy. We have to be aligned. And if she's the drive and say call her daddy takes over and was like, this is the direction I see it going. It's like, okay, but we own half. We have to agree on this. Somebody's got to come up with the concepts. Well, the problem is that there were like 20 interviews of past employees that worked for Lisa Frank, Inc.

Okay. And they said that it was a very toxic work environment and that she was extremes, highs and lows, which you have to give a little bit of grace in that situation because I do feel like as a very creative mind, that's probably just like part of the territory. I've heard the same things about Mary-Kate and Ashley with the row and I've also, I interviewed Frieda McFadden, the author, and I asked her if she wanted to collab

and she was like, I like things the way I like them. I would not be a good person to collab with, period, point blank. Do you know what I mean? So I feel like I don't love the idea that the employees that were working for her felt like it was a toxic work environment. And if she didn't like art, she would like threaten, make outbursts, like, like just like

crazy stuff to like senior designers who were creating this art. So they said that they felt like she was kind of like a parent figure and that they just had this extreme desire to please her because she was so emotionally high and low and that the work environment was just grueling. So there were, so back up, her son was on this documentary and he does not have such nice things to say about her and said that he always felt like she was closer to the other son and he ends up leaving her when he was like 15 or 16 years old. She fought tooth and nail when she got divorced from James Green. She fought tooth

and nail for the kids, made up crazy allegations against him saying that he abused the children, all kinds of stuff and all these court dogs. She gets custody and he has like every other weekend with the boys. The son that was on the documentary said that he went to his dad's one weekend and then never went back to her house. And that she was toxic from that point forward and said things like, I don't know why you would do this to me. And I don't like that. Like it's not about you when you're in that situation. Like you have created an environment for your children.

And while you might be financially providing all of these things that you feel like makes them happy, that doesn't make you the best parent or the best fit situation. Right. So I didn't like that part of it. She also was in litigation with her ex-husband for six years over Lisa Frank, Inc. She ended up getting back all control of the 49% that he had once had. But as a creative, I can understand why he would feel so upset that he was a part of that brand,

part of that creation. It was his art, like all the things. And now she has full control over it. Right, I mean, at that point, when it's almost 50%, I just feel like at that, you just have to either be bought out or you both run it 50%. What, when it went to like, when the business like went dead for like a decade and like all of the abandoned buildings and things like that happened, Why did that happen? So did she go back?

I don't know what they were basically not producing any new products. And so at one point, I believe it was said that there was only like six employees for Lisa Frank during that time, and then it kind of like dwindled away. So then she gets involved with this other company who does like makeup stuff and she was gonna do like a collaboration with them. They went to her and was like, we want to do a collaboration with you. So they get all of these investors on this collaboration.

Lisa gets in this agreement where they're gonna pay her like $125,000 draws quarterly or something. She requests her payout and then once she gets her final payout, she pulls out from the deal and doesn't move forward. Why though? But why not? That small little startup company went bankrupt and it was over creative control.

She didn't want to have her name attached to them, but she requested the final payout of $125,000. Then she sends a letter or has somebody on her behalf send a letter saying that they cannot move forward with the project after she's been paid like over a half a million dollars. But why over creative control? But you, that was an opportunity to come back from this like abandoned company. Because what the fuck happened to Lisa Frank for those like, I guess from like our childhood until now when it has resurfaced over the last couple years, like it just got abandoned.

Like even the TikToks I saw the Lisa Frank warehouse that was just like abandoned left there. And it's just like, that was, it was like an eerie feeling. Like you couldn't get your shit together enough to like keep this going or like properly shut down and bring it back later. Like what? I think it was all greed controlled, right? I think it, it was truly greed that what the fuck? I think it was all greed controlled, right? I think it was truly greed

that got the best of that situation. And then this company that went bankrupt comes on this documentary and talks about how, and I felt so bad for them, like so bad for them because they were just like trying to make it. It's like a small company and we're just like trying our best to to make it. It's like a small company and we're just like trying our best to truly make it. It was so sad. Well, then after they went through all these

design revisions, trying to make her happy, all these things, she pulls out of this deal. This company goes bankrupt and then she ends up doing a deal with Morphe or however you, yeah, she ends up doing a collaboration with them, but launches products that were very similar looking to what would have been launched with that like startup company with a larger brand. But she because they went bankrupt and they had to shut down, they probably didn't have any money to sue her. Correct. Correct. They did file a suit, but it ended up getting dropped. I don't know.

It didn't go into grave detail. Lisa Frank Morphe collab. Okay. Do you remember when you and I were in California and you were, you found something, I think it was on Instagram at one point and you were like, we need to go and stay at the Lisa Frank pop-up. Pop-up, right? So there was this creator that- I remember her on TikTok. like we need to go and stay at the Lisa Frank pop-up, right?

So there was this creator that- I remember her on TikTok, she had an entire Lisa Frank inspired, what was it like a house? Yes, but she said that it wasn't Lisa Frank inspired. She said that it was just like, she was just creative and she loved color and she had spent all of this time

like hand painting these cabinets, hand painting these walls, like whatever. Supposedly Lisa Frank starts following her and would comment on her place. Wait, time out because I don't know if I believe that. Okay. Well, I'm just telling you what's in there. Okay. So this is what she says that Lisa Frank starts following her. And she's commenting on her stuff, whatever. And this girl runs into some financial trouble

and ends up getting evicted from her apartment loses like her whole creative space that she has created. She's absolutely devastated. She then sees that Lisa Frank is doing like these pop up. What were they like apartments or I think there were like multiple ones that looked exactly like her apartment and then Lisa Frank had unfollowed her. This girl goes nuts on Lisa Frank, starts making all of these videos, like so upset about it.

Do we think that this girl's like crazy or do we think that Lisa Frank actually started following it and was like, that's a great business idea. Let me make a place and slap my name on it and make money that way. I'm looking at the pictures of it right now. Yeah, does look similar. It does look really similar.

I am, the only thing that I'm hesitant about here is that the creator saying that it was not Lisa Frank inspired. Okay, because Lisa Frank inspired. It's very, very, it's already similar to what is existing of Lisa Frank. That can be argued. The Lisa Frank pop up situation that is so identical to the creator is the problem because whether or not her apartment was Lisa Frank inspired, if that sparked interest in the pop-ups, why not just work on it together? That's what I

don't understand. It's like give people their flowers, collab with people because you're more likely going to get more business and go more viral if you found this creator on social media and you collab with them because people will ride or die for that, right? Like why not use that as an opportunity to collab? You know, it is possible that this woman from TikTok designed her house completely uninspired by Lisa Frank, but at the point that Lisa Frank has now acknowledged it, but you know what,

if Lisa Frank doesn't have the best track record with her business deals, then- That's where I got, so that part came after the bankruptcy situation with that startup company. And that's where I'm like, okay, that's why people that are publicly known and have like these large brands and all of these things have to be so careful because once you have one bad thing

on your record, like, oh, she was responsible for a company going bankrupt. Now it brings some type of validity to what this girl is saying, whether it's valid or not. Right. Right? I want you to watch it. And then-

I don't know if I can because I and here's the thing, people may get really upset about the things that I've said so far, but I just want everyone to consider the fact that and I'm not justifying her behavior, but I want to also consider that if she had these manic highs and lows or potential mental health concerns with really toxic work environment, we also need to consider the generation. And if you're giving grace to anybody else, you also need to look at that and apply that to Lisa Frank. She came from a generation that mental health and mental wellness were not at top of mind. So that is needs to be considered. The ex-employees that are speaking out, I, is this a money grab or is this like, are we exaggerate?

Cause people have done it to me. So I'm not saying she was a great person, but I just am concerned that, I don't know. But if her son turned on her, that's also that speaks volumes in and of itself. So I'm a little bit conflicted. The other thing is that I'm such a ride or die because Lisa Frank was something I never had other thing is that I'm such a ride or die because

Lisa Frank was something I never had as a kid that I always fucking wanted. And so I want to give her the benefit of the doubt so bad. Is she actively doing partnerships today? Do we know based on the documentary? I don't know. Cause she had the Lisa Frank pajama collab with Posh Peanut that I bought. And I've bought some of the other products that I have found on eBay and Amazon for like the backpacks and stuff. But like, I don't want to support someone that is truly just like horrible to her core. But like, is their mental health at play? Is there like what is going on? And I just don't know if I'm prepared fully to watch it.

My childhood, like a piece of me has died and that's really sad. And last thing I wanna say on this, if we were friends in elementary school, I would have absolutely given you a folder. Thank you. But I just have one quick question. Yeah.

Does Lisa Frank own Lisa Frank today? Yes. So it's not like bought out because you know how like Kate Spade was bought out. Well, so they were trying to sell it. Like when the husband was still involved, they were trying to sell Lisa Frank, but then that gets into a whole nother argument.

When you have a brand that is your name, how do you comfortably sell that and then not know what's gonna happen? I would never, well, I've never been in that situation, but I don't think I would be able to do that. So. I know you wouldn't. I imagine that would be the- And that would be the- Kale Lowry?

First of all, nobody's buying products of Kale Lowry aesthetic. Maybe products that I create that don't have my name as the brand, but Kale Lowry, like anything, no, nobody's buying that. I'm dead. Okay. So I saw this listener topic on the Facebook group and I wanted to make sure that we got to it. It says, Hey ladies, so recently my boyfriend went to a work event and left me his phone. Mine is broken and he has another work phone. I ended up going through it because our relationship has been pretty rough and I was just curious. I had

his phone for a few hours so I was able to search through everything and found almost nothing. The only thing was his Instagram explorer page had a few rows of naked women photos reels. We are very nudity porn is cheating relationship. I've heard about the whole algorithm thing and I know that they don't just pop up randomly. When he came home I asked him and he openly admitted that he had clicked on some things a few times but does not go out of his way to search it. Is this something that I should make a big deal out of

or am I just being crazy? I mean, I would be pissed if I saw this. However, I don't know if it's a reason to necessarily break up. I just don't know. And like, were there any communications with any of these people? Because if you were on his Instagram,

you should have been able to go into DMs if there's nothing that's there. And it's just nudity and porn. Like, boys are dumb. The other thing too is like, if you had a conversation about it and the behavior has changed, I wouldn't necessarily worry about it.

I think where I would draw the line is like, okay, we had this conversation. He knew that I saw this. He admitted to whatever he admitted to. If it was an ongoing problem where it becomes more sneaky and becomes just something bigger than it started, at that point, it's like you have to draw the line. But for where it stands right now, based on this information, I would not end the relationship. It would be a conversation and then we would move on. I think honesty goes a long way, right? And so if I've

addressed someone on something and even though it's something that might very much upset me, if they're fully honest and transparent about whatever it is, I can give way more grace in that situation than somebody just blatantly lying to my face. I agree. I think honesty goes a long way. I wouldn't worry about it. Don't break up with him just yet. I 100% agree. Moving on, we have foul play. Hey ladies, for the past two years, I haven't been able to get my shit together in time to write in this foul play. My cousin worked in an old age home as a care aide in Western Canada. At Christmas time one year, my husband and the rest of the staff kept smelling shit in the common room. They changed and washed all the elderly people in the room,

searched around to find the source and still couldn't find where the shit was coming from. It had been weeks and visitors kept complaining about the smell and the staff had been scouring the area to locate it. My cousin was enduring the smell one day to play crib with an elderly woman, and she witnessed a man with dementia stick his hand down his pants, pull out a will not piece of poop and roll it between his fingers to make Christmas ball ornament and stick it on the Christmas tree. She was horrified but couldn't help but giggle. They had been searching for weeks to find the source

and the culprit was making shit ball ornaments and hanging them on the tree. His personal decorations and contributions to holiday spirit. My cousin went to investigate the tree and found over 100 tin ball ornaments on the tree. Needless to say, they had to throw the tree out since then they've been closely inspecting the tree on a daily basis when it's the holiday season. Wait, I have so many questions.

Why I one time was in the church nursery and Jackson never did this, but like there are some babies that play in their diapers and there was a child that was in there that was playing with their diapers. And I'm like, what are you doing? And like, where did that idea come from? And who told you to do that?

Number one, but imagine, I mean, this elderly person might have dementia or something. So let's give a little grace there. No, it says that he does. But like, why are you sticking your hands in your pants like that? Why are you, and how do you roll up a turd? Well, this person probably reverted back

to like toddler-like behavior with the dementia. Yeah, but how are you rolling poop? You know? I don't wanna know. I don't want to know. I want to know, like how this is happening. And could you imagine this stench? I can't. I don't want any parts of this. I don't want to know. I don't want to picture it. This is going to

be rent free in my head for a long time and I don't want it. Everything needs to be thoroughly investigated and inspected because if he did that and put his hands in his fucking pants, he was definitely rubbing all over his Johnson and his butthole and then he probably touched other shit other than the Christmas tree. Move on. Move on. I don't want. Can you imagine like the process of events that took place and how many surfaces he probably touched from the time that he went from this community room back to his fucking bedroom?

When Teen Mom was filming during COVID, they had to hire sanitizing companies to use a sprayer in our homes before we filmed. So they would come in with this rolling cart of disinfectant and literally the cleaning company would spray everything in the house, all the surfaces, the furniture, the floor, the air, everything. It was like a sprayer. Like, you know, those paint sprayers they use, like rolling. It was like that. You need

that. And then you also need a situation where you're scrubbing all the surfaces. Because if that, because he also was probably touching things that other people touched and touching his food without people knowing that he did that, I just like cannot imagine. Also like, was he sitting on a couch or was this like a plastic chair situation that was going on? Because if it was on a couch,

that needs to be thrown away as well. Here's the thing, if I ever get dementia, I want to be offed immediately because I don't want that. I was actually just having this conversation with someone the other day. He lost both of his parents within like two weeks of each other. They lived in a home. And he was like, at the point that I cannot take care of myself, just take me out.

Like if I cannot wipe my own ass, take me out. That's how I feel. I don't care how nice, how docile I am. I don't care if it's like I'm like an easy, like elderly person with dementia to take care of. I don't want if it's like I'm like an easy, like elderly person with dementia to take care of. I don't wanna be here. I do not want the burden. I don't even want my kids or any,

you guys know how I feel. Like I don't want anyone to have to deal with that expense and I don't want the responsibility to fall on anyone. If I cannot take care of myself, take me the fuck out. Just how are we gonna take you out though? Just so I know. I mean, the quickest way. I don't care.

And if you're gonna kill me, take me outside so there's no mess to clean up inside. I'll make sure you don't see it coming. Literally, just take me out back. This next person says, hi, Kaylyn Lindsey, I've got a foul play for you. Years ago, my ex and I were living together and would often throw parties for our friends.

For one, these parties, I made homemade jalapeno poppers. Oh, I was in the kitchen prepping the food and it was about 30 minutes before our friends. For one, these parties, I made homemade jalapeno poppers. Oh, I was in the kitchen prepping the food and it was about 30 minutes before our friends were to arrive and my ex and I thought it would be a great idea to have a quickie. I already know where this is going. So we went into the bedroom, foreplay with short-lived before I got on top and not long after,

I felt intense burning in my vagina. He started to feel it too and shouted, why is my dick on fire? I quickly realized I must have transferred jalapeno juice from my hand to his dick. We both started screaming in pain and immediately jumped in the shower to wash it off. Of course, my best friend arrived during this mess

and we all had a good laugh. Anyways, love you girls so much. The podcast has gotten me through some really dark times and I look forward to laughing with y'all each week. Ma'am, the way that it should be illegal in all 50 states to touch any type of pepper like that or an onion and not thoroughly, like it should be normalized that you are wearing gloves in those situations.

The way that I would, because what do you do? Do you put milk on it at that point? I don't know, but like I cut an onion to make a roast yesterday and absolutely used gloves because the stench or let's just say like I cut this onion and then my eye itched, like we just need to normalize using gloves in our kitchen. I just think that it's sort of like an afterthought.

You're like, oh, I should have after the fact, but we don't. But yeah, I guess if you always do it, it becomes second nature. Well, I mean, also I had personally, which is really funny, I've never personally like stopped what I was doing or like was cooking and then immediately went to have sex. Like that's just not, I like didn't think about it.

So I can see how this happened. Like the opportunity presented itself. And so no other thoughts were happening. I could see how it happens. Honestly the opportunity presented itself and so no other thoughts were happening. I could see how it happens. Honestly, it makes for a good story. So I'm glad it happened. Okay, well on that note, we have not shit else to talk about this week.

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