Coffee Convos with Kail Lowry and Lindsie Chrisley - Free The Toes?

Episode Date: May 30, 2024

CC352: Kail finally watched They Called Him Mostly Harmless and Love Has Won docu-series, and she has some thoughts. Lindsie wants to know what goes on at an Adults Only cruise and Kail volunteers to attend. Lindsie talks about Jackson finally getting his haircut and tried to remember what were the cool things kids wore in her day and Kail disagrees with combining a teacher's baby shower with an end-of-the-school party. Check out our Instagram @coffeeconvospodcast for more! Thank you to our sponsors! IQBar: Get 20% off every IQBar product plus free shipping when you text CONVOS to 64-000. By Texting 64000, you agree to receive recurring automated marketing messages from IQBAR. Message and data rates may apply. No purchase required. Terms apply, available at IQBAR.com. Reply "STOP" to stop, "HELP" for helpKiwico: Get 20% off on your Summer Adventure Series at kiwico.com/SUMMERCOFFEEProgressive: Visit Progressive.com to learn moreRocket Money: Manage your expenses the easy way by going to RocketMoney.com/COFFEECONVOS

I hate gift giving and receiving. Receiving gifts is so weird. What do you say thank you? This is Coffee Convo's with Kale Lowry and Lindsey Chrisley. I really want you to be in your feels Kale. That does not interest me whatsoever. I feel very attacked by you. A spirited discussion about motherhood, friendship, family, and life in the public eye. I'm just not with the fakery anymore. There's a fakery bakery around here. Here's Kail and Lindsay. One, two, three, one, two, three, are we here? I'm scared. Okay, well, be prepared. Gaming set, ma'am?

Ma'am, this is called Lindsay Chrisley and her moving girl era. And my headphones are nowhere to be found. No, I love this for you. I love this for you. So remember when you were wearing pretty much this exact headset? Yes. And I called you a Ninja Turtle and made fun of you. But you know what you look like you are going on a helicopter ride. I wish I was going on a helicopter ride. Same. So was going on a helicopter ride. Same, so much same.

I'm having a stress, I'm stressed out because speaking of moving, I guess, well, I like don't have a mic. Every time I get on here, I can't figure anything out because my sound is horrible. And then I don't know where, when I moved out of the baby mama's office, like I have no idea where those mics are. Like I know where they are, but like digging through

my garage sounds like a nightmare. I love that. What is your timeline for moving? Like are you moving ASAP? Is that a white claw or an Elani? It needed to be a white claw, but it is an Elani. Are we drinking the same one? Yeah. Pink slush. Okay.

So I normally don't like the slushy ones. This is one I can stand behind. Okay. Number two, when am I moving? I have no fucking idea. I'm glad that we're... I'm closing at the end of the month. However, the moving process, don't really know when

that's going to take place. Okay. Well, I'm not moving until 2026. So, I mean, maybe we could be on the same timeline. Who knows? No, no, no, no, no, no. I'm talking like maybe a couple of weeks after I close. I had a whole laundry room disaster situation in my new house. I'm pretty sure you got a photo of it because I think Kristen was trying to send you pictures to find out if it was an actual trend. Lindsay, I'm going to stop you right now.

When I saw the floor, if I'm spending $1.4 million on a home, it better not look like my toddler shit all over the floor, okay? Lindsay, I was so pissed off for you that I texted my own realtor and I said, have you ever seen anything like this because I'm not finding anything on Pinterest. I don't see any of this trend on Pinterest anywhere.

I went on Instagram, I searched hashtags, like I'm out here doing full blown dirty tile research for you. Because I'm so pissed off that anyone thought that was a good idea. You know what I think happened? You know what I think occurred? I think that the builders forgot that they crowded the floor. And it was beyond the point of being able to clean it up. Because I know that like when you growl and when you mud things, you like make a mess and then you clean it up. I think we forgot about it. And then it wasn't able to be cleaned up. That's what I think

happened. Well, let me tell you how this all went down. So when I went to go and look at the house, I went to that laundry room, which is a very nice laundry room. I have always wanted a sink in my laundry room and I have never had one. Okay. So I was so excited about that. I was like, this is going to be good. Like I can also see outside when I'm folding clothes. I also have never had a situation in a laundry room to where I could fold clothes in my laundry

room without taking it to like a couch or a bed, whatever. I looked down at the floor and I said, wow, these guys did a really messy grout job. So this is going to have to be very thoroughly cleaned. Left it at that. I get over to my building meeting last week and he tells me that all the floors have been cleaned because I also took out all the carpets and put in hardwoods. Okay. So I go in, laundry room is first place I go. And I was like, this floor has not been cleaned. And it's going to take extensive cleaning. So this needs to be done before I move in. He then proceeds to tell me that that is how the tile was made and that it was not grout, that it was actual a design of the tile. Okay. Well, here's the thing. If that is in fact the case, and if that is a real trend,

because I'm sure people will tell us, that doesn't belong in a laundry room. That belongs in a mud room. That belongs in a fucking garage. That belongs in a fucking garage. That belongs in a dog room. That never belongs in a laundry room that is supposed to be clean. So I posted this situation yesterday because I had my design meeting with my designer who's ordering all my furniture and stuff. I had my meeting with her yesterday, so I went to Instagram to post to see if anybody has ever heard of this. Only 4% of my following said that they had ever heard of it. Somebody sent me a direct message

and said that they actually had it and did not love it when they got it, but have grown to love it because they have messyiest fuck kids. While I understand that might work for some people, it just does not fit the aesthetic of the rest of my home because everything else is like white-grouted. Yeah. Okay. So hold on. I'm going to go on your Instagram because I need to see. Wait a minute. Whatever this tile is. I love it. Matt or wait, you didn't post the tile. Yeah, I did. I must have missed it. Have you all ever heard of a trend called dirty tile?

It ain't for me. Don't come for me if it's for it shouldn't be for anyone. I have a dog room and I wouldn't even put this in there. And I guess my question is to everybody who's listening to this. If you like the dirty tile trend, perfectly fine, like what floats your boat might not float mine, whatever. I just don't understand why you would put that in a laundry room when the whole purpose of a laundry room is to clean things. Right, right, right, right, right. So that's where I'm going with that. I don't plan on moving in immediately just because

I want to take care of a couple of things that would be annoying for me to live there. Since I'm not selling my house yet, there's no reason for me to go and be in that cluster. I can just set the appointments, go over there, let the people in, and I don't have to live through it. It makes sense to me. It makes perfect sense to me. If I look like this for the next couple of weeks, then everybody also just mind your business as well and just go along with it. Also, I am trying to perfect a skincare routine and I have not been successful. That's why I have this.

There are three products that I love to death. I love Zio Skincare. If you're looking for like a full seven step routine. Zio Skincare is medical grade, clinical. I don't know what the term is. Absolutely love it. When I can't, when I don't have time to do like the full seven, eight steps, I use Peter Thomas Roth and I also use Elamus as we've talked about that before. So if you're looking for like, you want to feel the difference literally after one or

two times using it, definitely go with Zio skincare. I think you would really love that. Like I said, I just don't have time to do that every single step every single time. So that's where I use other ones. I'm actually almost out of Peter Thomas Roth and my Elemis because I use it so much. God, I love Elemis products. Outside of that, I finished up watching, what's it called? Mostly Harmless? Yes. And I have my notes on that. If you guys have not watched it, you can watch this on HBO

Max or I guess now it's referred to as Max. So much going on in that documentary. And the focus was mainly on the sleuths, like what you were saying. I just feel like the internet truly is the wild, wild west. And people who investigate things on the internet can go down such a deep rabbit hole of like this dark web aspect of stuff and come up with so many different theories. I just want to ask you and everybody who's listening to this, have you ever like investigated somebody so much that you come up with theories that don't even logically make sense? Like this person is a ghost, for example. Have I ever done that?

No, I'm asking everybody who's listening to this, but also like where do people come up with ideas like that and then also believe those ideas? No, what gets me is when the sleuths go down. And like I said, I'm giving all the credit in the world to the sleuths that are in this documentary specifically, but there are sleuths we've experienced it firsthand that come up with the most outrageous fucking theories or even or even they will come up with something that is it could be plausible, right? But

they're so far off. Like this is not what occurred and you guys are essentially starting fucking rumors. You know what I mean? That bothers me. It's like, if you wanna say something that is actually true, perfectly fine. We can go with that. Yeah.

But the wild theories of stuff truly scares me for certain people's mental health that they could actually believe those theories that they have come up with. That's number one. Yep. Number two, the fact that these sleuths put together a crowdfunding campaign to pay for DNA analysis is insane to me. Was this like a GoFundMe? I think it was. I think it was like a go fund me situation and

they paid for this DNA analysis on someone because they were so personally invested in finding out who this person was which is I think it's fantastic when you're doing it for a good cause like that I think but if you're I mean we have experienced people sleuthing. I mean, people found when I bought my land here, I had blurred everything out. They found it so, I just don't do that. So I can't, I have a hard time understanding that. And I wish that like more sleuths would do it for good than they would for like, just to simply like bash people. Well, because we have had the experience for not good, right?

Yeah. And I had actually talked about, on the Southern T with Kristin, people finding my new home address and my current home address, and people were saying, oh, well, if you want it to be private, then it shouldn't be on Zillow,

or it shouldn't be here, or it shouldn't be there, or you should not put it in your name, you should put it in an LLC. Number one, it is my understanding that I cannot do that. I cannot close on my home in an LLC. It has to be in my personal name and I'm going to do things by the book. That to me is just fucking wild in itself. Okay. The next thing, when you're not involved in something like a person who visits trails

and like a hiker, whatever, it is so wild to me that there are parts of people's lives that you don't understand and then you watch a documentary like this and it's so interesting, like the term trail angels, like, like, we wouldn't like there are really little, what would you even call that? Like, almost like subdivisions, like sub lives within life? Yes. And like, unless you're participating in that, you don't know anything about that. And it's so wild how we can all roam this same earth and live such different lives.

No, and literally not know one single thing about that. Like, I'm like, we're playing a game like that, like subdivision of like, I know nothing about hiking, right? Like I like to hike. But when I think of hiking, I'm not thinking of like Appalachian trails. You know what I mean? And these people are like in this like thing, this little, but I have an update for you guys. Separate from that documentary specifically, there's a breaking news update on Alexey Trevizo, which is a girl who had the baby in the hospital and then put them in the trash. Do you remember

that? Yes. Are you ready? Are you prepared for the update? I'm not sure. I mean, I'm clearly not prepared for life today, but go ahead. Not looking good for prosecution because she's 19 years old and never gave consent or permission to put out any of her medical information. So it's a HIPAA violation. The entire case is a HIPAA violation. So what you're telling me is she potentially could get away with what she did because of it being a HIPAA violation?

The defense is asking for the case to be dismissed because she gave no consent to publishing or to publishing her medical details or personal identifiers being released to the public. All of her personal details and medical info was released to the public surrounding this case. Therefore, the defense is asking for the case to be dismissed. And it probably will be. I agree, which I just feel like when you kill a baby,

like you could have put it in a safe haven box. You could have went to the fire department and put this baby in a box and there would be less you. I, in my personal opinion, feel like HIPAA goes out the window when you kill somebody. The problem, but that's the problem that I feel like I struggle with, with the law, right? While that could be true,

it doesn't negate the fact of what she did. However, because of that, she probably will get away with it. Which is, I feel like there has to be a way around that, right? Like, okay, you get something because they released all of your stuff, but on the other hand, it's like you killed a baby. So you have to be punished for, like maybe the state owes her money or her family money for disclosing her details, but you still killed someone. Yeah. And in the event that she does get off from the situation, there is no justice for that

baby. And that's just very wrong. Agreed. I do not love the idea of people getting out of going out here doing heinous crimes and then being able to get out on a technicality. Like I hate that. Yeah, I agree. I agree.

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And someone wrote in regarding this. So she says, Hi, first of all, love you both so much. I've been a fan for 10 plus years. Okay, here's my personal experience with a crazy mother son relationship. My boyfriend of around a year is the middle child out of four. He has one older brother, one younger, and one younger sister. His parents divorced when he was young, and his mother remains single ever since. Ever since my boyfriend and I got together, his mother has made it a point to not have a relationship with me and to try to cause issues. When my boyfriend and I go on dates, she complains to him that she deserves dates too.

She does not invite me to anything family related. She purposely plans vacations, solo trips that are just her and my boyfriend on the weeks that I have to work. She does not have this close relationship or as I like to call it, obsession with any of her other children. My boyfriend is very quiet. He's passive and we worked on creating healthy boundaries with his mother in order for us to build a life together. I love my boyfriend, but I don't think his mom and I will ever see eye to eye. Would this be enough for you to leave? How would you navigate this kind of issue? Thanks. I do think that when you have multiple children, I don't have this experience because I don't, right? But I have seen other people with

multiple kids that their relationships are very different with each child. Okay. And I just wonder if she just emotionally was closer to that child for some weird reason in her single motherhood. I'm sure all of your relationships with your kids are very different and you feel a closeness to certain children that you have that's very different than a different closeness to other children that you have. So I don't think that part of the situation is very weird. The part of the situation that I think is a little bit weird is why are you comparing

him taking his girlfriend on a date to him needing to take you on a date? Like that's the part that's weird. Okay. I didn't, I didn't realize that that's what she meant. I thought it was like the mom was more so jealous of the son going on dates and that she wanted to go on dates too. Like I didn't think that she meant like with her son because that's fucking weird. That would be like me. That is what she meant. That's weird as fuck.

Also going on vacation with your son at the point that they are in a committed relationship is weird to me. Like I can't imagine a world where like Lux and Creed are in relationships and I'm saying that we need to go on a vacation while your girlfriend's out. Like that just feels very weird to me. This is something where it would be, and Elijah is very passive,

but he doesn't have that type of relationship with his mom. So I don't think it's like, I will say though, like Elijah is pretty passive. He's very mellow and not argumentative by any means. However, he has his feelings about certain things. And that would be if that was him. I don't think that he would be willing to change that. So I don't think I would say like if that was the case, you know, I mean, do you get what I'm saying?

See, I just want to give a little bit of a different perspective on this. Let's say, for example, let's use me as an example. That I like to go to Disney with Jackson. And he grows up, has a girlfriend, she's on a job, he and I aren't busy doing anything, she's not really a lover of Disney. And I use that as an opportunity to be like, hey, want to go to Disney?

But that's fine. I don't think that's weird. But is she doing it seems like this situation is specific to the fact that this other this girlfriend is working, right? And so that's a shoe in for her to be like, okay, I can exclude you because you're on a job and I can just have him all to myself. That situation is a little bit weird and this all goes back ultimately to creating healthy boundaries in relationships. And to me, this seems like he needs to put his big boy pants on and slap his dick down

on a table and be like, listen, this isn't appropriate. There are so many people, let me not single out men, because I think that this is across the board. In relationships, I feel like a lot of times a partner will voice to the other partner how they feel about something and they're like, okay, you have to handle this, right? And they never handle it. They never actually do something about it. And so they think that it's just going to go away to the point that it is now bubbling over, it's boiling over. And that's where it's frustrating because you can't make someone handle it. And so then it gets to a point where it's like, you're

too far into the relationship to leave, like you've created a family or whatever it may be. And then this situation is so deep that you can't get out of it either. And so like then what? Because this is a situation, I mean, it sounds like they've been together for, hold on, let me go back. Oh, I don't know if she says ever since my boyfriend and I got together, his mother has made it a point. I don't know how long they've been together, but it sounds like she's too far in because what also I feel like there is a period of time where it's like a grace period where it may take time to accept. And I'm not saying I love that or that it's like right, but I do think that there is, it can sometimes be rocky in the, in the beginning. So maybe she'll come around. I think in this situation, if I did not have any children with this person, that ultimately

I would have to have the conversation with them and if they chose not to do anything about it, then I would have to walk away because to me that says a lot about the other person that they aren't willing to take the extra step to create the boundaries to make the relationship feel safe. And while the mother might be a little bit overbearing, whatever, at some point you got to just like let go and let God. Not let God. I mean, I get it though. No, I get it. And on this topic, I feel like one of the most attractive qualities in a man is one that's willing to stand up for what he believes is the right thing, regardless of how much conflict it's going to create.

Yeah, I would agree with that. And I think just make it doesn't have to be an argument. It doesn't have to be a back and forth. It's like, this is what I'm comfortable with. And we don't need to have a further conversation. This is what I feel, this is what I'm doing, and this is what's going to happen if you cross those lines. It doesn't need to be this back and forth fight. And that's where, I mean, that I feel like we learn that the older we get is like, I'm not arguing with you about my boundaries. This is what it is. And this is what's going to happen if you cross it. And that it's that simple. That's a big problem that I had in a past relationship was arguing about boundaries and why my boundaries seemed to be so extreme.

And it's, it then boiled into another conversation of maybe you should not have these boundaries. And it's like, you don't get to choose what boundaries I have just like I don't get to choose what boundaries you have. Agreed. Agreed. boundaries I have just like I don't get to choose what boundaries you have. Agreed. Agreed. Listen, mother-son relationships, we could talk about that all day long. Yeah. Because they are very interesting, just like I'm sure if you really looked deep into it of father and daughter relationship is very interesting as well.

father and daughter relationship is very interesting as well. I haven't seen weird father daughter relationships the way I've seen mother son. Well, you just had a daughter, so let's see how that unfolds. I'm not letting no shit get weird. The second I see some weird shit, Elijah, you need to chill out, but I can't, I don't know,

I can't picture him being weird, like, and I hate the whole, the whole like, oh, every, the number one comment that I'm getting now that she's six months old is, oh, she can't have any boyfriends. Are we really doing that? Are we really doing- Why are we talking about boyfriends at six months old?

Just because she has six older brothers and a dad, like what the fuck, who cares? Like they're not what you think that my kids are going to be like, Oh, I'm gonna beat you up if you date my sister. That's not what we're not doing that. We're not promoting that. That's not cute. That's not funny. Stop saying that to me. So I'm saying that. It's kind of trashy, honestly. No, what none of my kids are going to prevent there's an okay,

there's like this like, running joke, like, if you hurt my daughter, I'll hurt you or like whatever, like that's not a thing anymore. By the time my daughter is dating literally 1516 17 years from now, we are what like, please stop. It's like the dads, the dads in the south are known for just being very overbearing. Peninsula, nobody's shooting nobody.

Nobody's hurting nobody, okay? Like over my daughter, like you get what I mean? I'm not saying that there's no crime. I'm just saying like, nobody, none of my kids are even that type of, they're protective, but I don't think it's in that way. So stop talking about my daughter dating. Like I can't fucking handle it.

No, it's like that song, clean in this gun or whatever, like typical Southern dad with his daughter going on the first date. I've heard so many stories of people just telling me, oh, I'm sure my husband's gonna be cleaning his gun when the guy comes to pick my daughter up for the date. And it's like, that's absolutely terrifying. And if I was the mother of the

son, I would say, stay the fuck away from those people. No, literally. And not to mention the fact that what's understood doesn't need to be explained. If someone, if a boy with horrible intentions plans to date a girl with six brothers, like you're stupid anyway. So nothing needs to be explained. Nobody needs to say anything. It's just like, I don't think anyone would, I mean, anything could happen really, but- Not six brothers.

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this on the podcast. She says, has anyone ever heard of an end of the year class party being a baby shower theme because the teacher is pregnant, especially a kindergartener? I thought the parties are supposed to be for the kids. I'm just curious if there are any other areas of the country where this is acceptable. And I just want to know what your thoughts are because I don't know if we're going to be 100% aligned on this. Oh, I hate this idea. I don't think it's cute. Tell me more. If my son who is in first grade goes to a, the end of the school year is coming up, right?

This is the most exciting time of the year. like literally, they got the zoo coming and they're having parties and they got little gift bags with like chalk and bubbles and whatever else. Great. Love that for them. If they're having a pizza party and it is baby shower themed, what the fuck? Why would they want that? I think there's a happy balance here. Okay. Let's absolutely yes. Because don't piss me off. Don't piss me off. I'm gonna fucking piss you off. Because here's my thoughts. These are little kindergartners. And let's say this teacher has been pregnant for their school year. And they have watched this teacher's belly grow, and have some type of like investment in that right? What if she had requested like baby items

for her teacher's gifts instead of like, I don't know, mugs and apples and like weird shit? What if she was like, oh, let's do like diapers or something. I don't see a problem with that. Where the problem comes in is when the entire class party is a full-blown baby shower and it's not celebrating the kids, it's just celebrating you. So if it was like, okay, for my end of the year teacher gift,

let's say I'm like the pregnant teacher and I talk to the room mom and I'm like, hey, I don't really need anything. However, if they want to give something then diapers. Like I think that's fine. Absolutely not. Absolutely not. First of all, what? No, your coworkers can have a little fucking baby shower for you.

That's what I feel. And the only thing that I can see happen in it being appropriate would be if these kids are invested in the pregnancy and it was explained to them on their level, whatever, maybe some of them don't have little siblings to know all of that, right? At Rio's baby shower, all the kids made onesies. They brought in the little white onesies and did pictures and one of them, Taylor did one that says grand finale, that type of thing. It's like, thank you so much for being here during my pregnancy kind of thing

and make that one little element a part of the party. It's like pizza and decorating baby onesies and then everything else great, but no, and teacher gifts being no. If I'm no, no, no, absolutely not. I'm going to be so interested. She was a kindergarten teacher for 10 years and I now I need to ask her, would you ever okay, hey, would you ever, how should I word it? Have a baby shower. End of year party for kindergarten students. I'll be interested to know what she says, but I'll also be interested to hear from our

listeners to know like which side they fall on. Probably more people are going to agree with you. Oh, I think they're going to agree with you. I just think that there is a happy balance there where she can be celebrated and the kids can be a part of it while they're also still being celebrated and she's a part of that. Why are you looking at me like that? Kristen, tell me your thoughts right now in the chat because I need answers. I need somebody to say something to me about this.

Gail's heated. I'm so pissed off because this is a situation where like the other day I finished this book that is like, everyone's raving about it. Five stars, the movie's coming out, this, that, and the third. I had no connection to the book, right? Like I rated it three stars. I was texting everyone that I knew that read it and everyone didn't agree with me. Nobody would talk shit with me. That's how I know Misery Loves Company. Okay. Kristen said, I feel like that would cause a gift obligation from the kids, ultimately the parents, and that feels weird. Yet explain to me how a baby shower theme end of the year

party would work and explain to me how that would celebrate the kids in any way. No, I'm saying I don't think that it should be just like a full blown baby shower. I'm not on board with that part. But what I'm saying is, let's just assume for the purposes of the conversation that these little kids have watched her belly grow for the school year and they're invested in some way. I think doing something for her is great while also doing something for them because, you know, now they're rising first graders. So something should be done for them as well because it's their end of the year class

party. I don't think that it makes anybody obligated to do anything, in fact, because not everybody brings an end of the year teacher gift. So how does that make you more obligated because you would be bringing diapers versus a gift card? Okay. Emily said she was previously a kindergarten teacher for 10 years. She said, no, two separate things.

Baby shower for the teacher at school with students, I've done, but that shouldn't be the end of the year party for kids. No. Okay. So basically what I'm saying, right? I've seen parents throw teachers a baby shower in the classroom with students before though. So two different things, but I would never make an end of the year party that is to celebrate the kids about the teacher in any way, shape or form. So if it is a baby shower on a separate day, for just a separate, completely separate situation, I could get behind that.

But if we're talking about theming the end of the year party, I don't care how connected these kids are to that baby. That party is to celebrate those kids. Understood. Okay. Understood, ma'am. And I don't fully disagree with you. Okay.

I think there's just like a middle ground that this could be okay to happen if the kids are celebrated and she's also celebrated. No, stop blinking your eyes at me like that. Okay, so I have to tell you this news article that I saw come up and I was like, wait, what the fuck is this? So it says, look inside spicy adults only cruise where couples can swap partners. Have you heard of this? Absolutely not. Okay. So it says you've probably heard of these spicy cruises that are available to

daring couples, but you probably don't know exactly what it's like to be on board one. But you may have heard about some of the rules on the ship and the outlandish and insane things, as insane things may sound, they were very strict with them. So what is exactly the difference between a spicy cruise and a family cruise then? Well, apart for some nudity here and there, it's in adults only and they have sexual aspects to them. They aren't fully blown sex parties, as many are led to believe, but it's different enough for people to be able to tell the difference between booking one of these or a family cruise. Spicy cruises are often geared towards willing singles and couples who are looking for a unique experience. The ship

is often equipped with playrooms and of course clothing optional areas on board to truly feel free while traveling the sea. There are even workshops that can help you enhance your intimate experience on board while you're free to explore your sexuality by hooking up with other people or even swinging if you're interested. Okay, so remember that time at the beginning of this episode where we talked about the corners of life that people are in that we know nothing about.

Correct. Yeah. It feels a lot like that. I'm not judging. It's fascinating to me. I love to know, I would love to talk to someone who could give me insight on these inner workings of relationships where you're willing to swing. I think for singles, it makes more sense. I want to know what protocols that we're taking for sanitary and cleanliness, only because

we have a hard enough time being cleanly and sanitized in regular everyday life. So you add the element of sexual encounters and I need to know what things are taking place there. But outside of that, that's cool that they offer that for people, very interesting. So this article actually goes like full blown into what the areas look like, the bedrooms, like the playrooms, whatever. I don't really want the name Playroom. It gives, it's giving. It's giving vibes that I can't get on board with. Pun intended. I just don't understand.

No pun intended or pun intended. Pun intended. You can't get on board. Can't because of a cruise. Get it? Like, I cannot get on board with this. It also goes into detail from like people's experiences and stuff. So I'm going to make sure that I post the link to this article because it is just very, very interesting. I just very, very interesting. I just could not get behind the idea of going on a cruise knowing that like swinging was going to be taking place or that I was going to be surrounded by that. Not saying that I care if other people do it. I just don't want to participate in

it and I also don't want to personally be around it. Oh, I don't even care about that. I kind of want to go on one just to see what they're all about and like report back but But like what if you got into a swinging situation like I just feel like swinging situation. I guess I'm a unicorn now Time not a long time. I Just can't I mean for to each their own but just not something that I would Be able to do Would love to know anybody who is listening to this if you have ever been on this temptation

Cruise, I think that's what it's called temptation cruise. You want me to go? Yes, okay. We'll tell Kristen to hook me up for for research purposes though research Because I just want to know all the tea when you come back. Like I want to know everything that you've seen. I want to vlog. Like I want to know all of it. I will have to get up at the ass crack of dawn to go get like videos of the rooms, the playrooms before anyone goes in there. And I just want to see like, do they sanitize after every partner? Like, how does is it an orgy? Like, I need to know what goes on in the ship.

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ever watched in my entire life. So I got through episode one, I did not realize it was like multiple episodes, like a limited series. I also had never heard of this case prior to seeing it on because it had came up because I watched something else. I think it was the, they called it mostly harmless. I'm pretty sure it was that. And so I saw this one. Okay. This was the weirdest cult situation because I had this idea and I'm a little embarrassed to admit this on national podcast, worldwide podcast, whatever. But I always pictured people who were in cults as sort of like, no God, I don't want to get crucified. But you know, like the ones that we've seen that are in Utah, where like the dad had like literally

hundreds of children and all of them people that are on Compound. That is the first thought that comes to mind when I think of cults. Then obviously we know of the Waco ones. We know about other cults. This is one that shocked me because Mother God seemed to have come from a very well-to-do family. That's what alarmed me. And the mom and the siblings seemed very well to do. Very, I don't like the word normal, but like pretty normal people, wealthy, upper middle

class, maybe even wealthier than that. I think in my opinion, how I interpreted it was that maybe she experimented with ecstasy and then that really like she went off the deep end with like the feelings from ecstasy and that became her reality. I've never seen anything like this to the point where people were donating $7,000. There was, I don't know if you remember that from episode one they're talking about, they would spend hours on their laptops, like 12 hours a day, go into like a Starbucks from open to close, trying to recruit people into this. It was a very small cult though. I don't think it was like heavily followed.

Okay. Back to your comment about the drug usage. I fully believe that that had everything to do with this cult. And I think that it put her into some state of complete life delusion, because there is no possible way that any person believes what she believed of herself without there being some type of substance involved. So she did say that she, or it was said on the documentary, the first episode

that she did experiments with experiment with drugs or whatever. I also know someone in real life who kind of was using some substances and was involved in a cult like situation. And I think that it's people that are, anyone can be groomed into believing this stuff, right? I think, or a lot of people can. When you're under the influence frequently, and you're struggling in that way, I think it's definitely, you're more prone to be attached to something like that. I think that cults in general make people who are struggling, whether it be with mental health or substance abuse issues, whatever it is, make them feel like they have a place and

they belong. It's a sense of belonging. What I'm not understanding though, and like I said, I only finished episode one because it's pretty long. I'm not understanding. So she meets these people by chance, I guess, and they basically give her this title, Mother, Mother God, or she became that herself. Like I'm not, I guess I don't fully understand like how it all started to like develop and snowball into what it was. I think that it was all developed off of just complete delusion. I think that entire cult in itself were just delusional people.

There was lots of drug usage. If you watch into the other episodes, you will see where she was with multiple men and I believe they were referred to as gods as well, which is very weird, all the way to the end of that documentary. You guys have to go and watch this, because when I tell you, it is the most mind blowing thing.

What was that stuff that they were drinking? Did you get to that part? No, but I know that she ended up having children, and where did the children go? Wasn't it a daughter? I watched it so long ago, but I believe it was a daughter and she didn't have anything to do with her. But how are these people paying their bills too?

Because all of these people, there was- That was mind blowing. That was fucking mind blowing. The people said that they slept on the floor of mother God's room and they were all just like compiled like bodies in the room. And one girl said that she like ranked up,

like moved up because she was cleaning the house. Like she was getting attention and then she became like the caretaker. It's just such a weird like, and how are you paying to live there? Like where are you getting the money from? Listen, look at this though. She this is what she looked like on her deathbed. That's what she looked like on her deathbed. And what did you just see that?

Just ain't just mother God. She kind of looks like purple. There was some type of substance liquid, something that she was drinking. And I believe she basically got like sepsis or something. This was look at look at her color of her skin. They were just allowing her to look like this and not getting any type of like medical help or anything, like no modern medicine, nothing. Well, one guy had said at one point that she wanted to see this journey through. She did have three children. this journey through. She did have three children. Three. Yeah. She had three kids. And I don't know what to say about this because what jerk, like she was going to see if she could like move up in the realm or like go to the other

side. I cannot wait to finish it. I wish that I had time to finish it before we recorded. So I am going to circle back with my final thoughts, but this is the weirdest thing. But what I'm guessing is the donations that they were receiving were from followers that were not in Colorado. So they were donating online and they specifically mentioned like they were getting $1,200 and $500, but up to like $10,000. So I think what was happening was it was like she was attracting followers online that were donating 500, but up to like $10,000. So I think what was happening was it was like she was attracting followers online that were donating money, but there were the ones that were like live in followers of this cult. And I just need to know more. I need to know

where the kids are today. I need to know what type of relationship. I know at one point, Amy's mom had said she didn't ask a whole lot of questions because she loved the grandkids so much. So she wanted to spend time with the grandkids. She kind of let her daughter go to, and I feel like, I mean, I feel bad for the mom because I can't imagine being in that situation, but I would also have probably done the same thing. Like it's like, okay, my daughter has clearly lost it. Yeah. In order for me to have whatever relationship I can with my grandkids, like I'll do whatever. And I feel like that is the best thing that she could have done. I just don't understand how people can get themselves in a state like Amy Carlson did

and just the lack of awareness of that state and to think that that's normal. Have you ever heard of people dropping acid or doing ecstasy and they have a bad trip and they never come out of it? Have you ever heard of people dropping acid or doing ecstasy and they have a bad trip and they never come out of it? Have you ever heard of that? I don't know if that's scientifically proven to be true. I have no idea. But do you think that could have been, if that's possible, truly possible? Do you think that is something like that happened to her? I do think that it could be possible. Whatever that liquid was that she was drinking, I can't remember what it was called, but that must have been so bad for her physical health to the point that it-

Did she kill herself? Well, no. She was drinking this stuff and her body basically started shutting down. So she wasn't even, she was not even mobile. They were having to shower her like cult members were having to shower her, put her in her bed. She basically looked like a skeleton when she died. Wait, what? This is what it says. Autopsy reports would later conclude that Carlson died of alcohol abuse, anorexia and chronic ingestion of colloidal silver at the age of 45. Yeah, her whole skin was like silvered. And the refusal of modern medicine in that state,

I just don't. Well, because she thought she was a god. So a man convinced her that she had other worldly powers. So I think between mental health, drug use, and then just meeting the wrong people, he convinced her. I just, that's the most insane thing that I have ever, I cannot wait to finish it because I need to know. And I would love to talk to her kids today just to see like what their experience was of all of it, because I would imagine it's pretty traumatic, but like, how does that

affect your kids? Like if you have otherworld powers, I can't imagine having children and then you're like doing these crazy things. Could you imagine like convincing your kids that you're a god? My kids would tell me to go fuck myself. Jackson would tell me to go and find a better to mental institute. Yeah. I think Isaac would be like, should I call my dad? Yeah, literally. Does my dad need to step in? Like I don't, my kids would not, first of all, he's like, God, where?

Like mom, I would be humbled so quickly. Lux would be like, you have cellulite. You can't be a dad. You can't be a God if you have cellulite. Like you can't. Why do you have cellulite you can't be a god if you have cellulite like you can why you have a double chin if you have a double chin then you can't be god so chins chinning um no i can't wait for you to finish to watch this um and then share your final thoughts because it truly is the wildest thing and it is one of those documentaries that I could not stop watching because it just got so crazy to the point

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I also had a woman write in, remember when we were talking about haircuts and, you know, us trying to get Jackson's haircut and him not wanting to participate, whatever, that actually took place this weekend. And his hair looks so cute, but I just would love to know the parents who allow their kids to just have whatever hair that they want to have. And you know, if they don't want to cut their fingernails, they don't have to cut their kids to just have whatever hair that they want to have. And, you know, if they don't want to cut their fingernails, they don't have to cut their fingernails. They don't want to cut their toenails. They don't have to cut their toenails. I know. That's where I draw the line. That's where I draw the line. And I'm going to tell

you that right now. And you can ask anyone. I keep nail clippers in the car, in my bathroom, in the living room, everywhere. That's where I draw the line. I say campaign as nails. I don't give a fuck, but you will cut them. You will remove the nail polish, clip them and then repaint them. I am a stickler about nails. I, when I see dirt under kids fingernails, I can't get behind it. I think it's disgusting.

Elijah, like he uses his like nails and like hands all the time. And I'm like, if you have nails long enough for me to see the white and for there to be dirt under your nails, I'm disgusted immediately. So that's where I draw the line. Okay. So I'm also weird about the nail thing and I can't stand to see the whites on the toes.

You know, like once it's like grown out to a certain point and it gets that white part, it's like, okay, let's go ahead and cut all that off because that's growth that we don't need, okay? Big on the nail situation as well. The hair situation, Jackson does have such good hair that it just doesn't really bother me because I know he's clean. So I don't care either way. But the situation that I was facing was he was going to go to Will's and Will told him, if you come back from your mom's and your hair has not been cut, I'm going to shave it. So I kind of started to panic because I knew that would send him into a full blown spiral. So I'm like, okay, well, let's do something like middle ground. Like let's go and get it cleaned up and we'll still leave it a little bit long, but at least it's

cleaned up and it satisfies both of them. Okay. That's what we did. Well, posted this on Instagram and a mom wrote in and said on the topic of boys haircuts, a couple of weeks ago, my daughter who's in seventh grade came home and said, Oh gosh, mom, it's buzz cut season for all the boys and they look scary now. I think scary was too strong of a word, but anyways, asked what she meant and she said all the boys were getting their summer haircuts and most were buzz cuts. We had a long talk about how it would make her feel that the boys made a big fuss about a bunch of girls getting drastic haircuts to I don't know

how much good it did because I feel like she's a follower in a lot of clothing and trends like she follows as well. She also will absolutely not wear shoes of any sort where her toes are exposed. Apparently it's a big deal to free your toes in middle school. Send help. Wow. Okay.

So I didn't know that there was like a summer haircut phenomenon. Like I had no idea that that was like going on. I just my kids keep their same haircuts all year round. So I don't ever think of anything like that. But I mean, I do feel like at some point you have to allow your kid to have the same, you have to allow their them to have the haircut they want. I do think for your situation, there is a happy medium. I do draw the line at like, you still have to get a shape up like a kid, you still have to look.

And that was the problem that we were dealing with. He just does not want to haircut at all, you know, so it's like, if your sideburns are like all the way in the length of my bangs, like, we should probably don't get that cut. You can leave the length but like shape it up around like the just make it look a little bit cleaner. And that's what I tell Isaac all the time because he likes a little bit more length to his hair and you know, he's a teenager. So like, whatever, that's fine, but let's just clean it up a little bit. And so we've compromised on that.

And I just don't like the unruly look. Like I do not like when I see like an unclean hairline on a man, like on their neck. I like it to look like cleaned up and not just unruly. So, I'm trying to teach Jackson those things. Like, hey, you need to look like put together. I know that you're only in fourth grade, but when you grow up, these are things that you need to learn. So, that's just like a little bit complicated. Also, the buzz cut situation, I'm wondering if that's a thing in the south. I'm wondering where this woman that wrote this to me, if she is from a Southern state

because that is very common in the South. Yeah, I've never, I've just never, maybe it goes on here too. I just don't know because Isaac doesn't do that and Lincoln keeps his hair year round. So it's possible that it goes on. I just didn't know. I used to love when Will shaved his head in college. Like when it got summertime and we were at the pool all the time, I love a good buzz cut.

I am a sucker for long hair. So I just, I convinced my ex to grow his hair out and he did. And then Elijah is growing his hair out and I just love it. Love that for you. Also, what's this free the toes phenomenon in middle school? I've never heard of that. I know that around here they wear extra toughs and sperry boots, like rain boots is like a trend. But now that it's warming up, I don't know. I wear Birkenstocks all year round, like all summer long. So I have no idea what and what sandals are trendy

in middle school. Like what are they wearing? I don't know. They're just wearing only the only trend that I know about. I'm just I'm dealing with an elementary school kid, but they all wear frickin crocs and they'll be two different colors or you know, somewhere in sport mode somewhere I'm not in sport mode. Some have the gibbets or whatever they're called on them. Some are just like completely plain. I only ever see Crocs. I'm not even kidding. When I go through the carpool

line, it's like a croc has done something good. Like they're making their money because these kids stay in them. Yeah. No, they definitely, it's so crazy too, because they were around and then they went away for a little while. Now we're back. I think they're definitely here to stay now. I'm trying to think what shoes we wore when we were in middle school. My middle school, we weren't allowed to wear flip-flops. So we weren't either because people were like stepping on them and then they're missing toenails, bleeding, falling down the stairs, jumping down the stairs. They wouldn't have socks and shoes for gym class. So, you know,

remember those $5 flip-flops that they used to have at Old Navy that everyone went crazy over? Oh, yeah. They were not allowed. That was like around the same time that we weren't allowed to wear them. So and then they had very similar ones that like Hollister and Abercrombie. I don't remember what sandals we wore. Like I don't remember ever. I wore I think I wore like the Birkenstock clogs and the winter.

Yes. And those are back now. Yeah. They're like full send on that. I also just got these Jeffrey Campbell. Hold on. You have to see these Jeffrey Campbell clogs. And normally I was convinced that I was never going to be a platform girly because I'm already tall. But when Elijah is not around, I may start wearing clogged platforms. I just bought these Jeffrey Campbell ones. And I'm not going to lie to y'all, I saw my hair stylist wearing them in a cobalt blue. So I was like, oh, I need these in a more neutral color. Okay. Those are actually really cute. Those are really cute.

So I feel like you would wear them. They have their- Oh, I would totally wear that. But what shoes in middle school did we wear in the summertime? In the summer? I don't know because you're right. I definitely had the knockoff Birkenstock clogs. And then I don't know what sandals because we weren't allowed to wear flip-flops. So I don't remember. I'm going to go back and look at my photo albums and stuff before next week and pull some pictures of me in middle school and

see what fucking shoes I had on. I'm asking my friend that I went to middle school and high school with what shoes that we wear in middle school like spring and summer. Because jelly shoes were like elementary school. And then once we got to middle school, it was the clogs for sure and the brick and stock clogs in the winter. I don't know if we wore open toe shoes. I don't remember what she just read my text. It was Adidas slides with socks. See I don't think I was allowed to wear socks with like open toe shoes.

My parents didn't allow it. Well, you grew up very different than I did. I remember in the Adidas slides, they were the black ones with the white stripes. And you wore socks with them and you wore them with everything. Oh, wait, remember those Adidas that had the spikes on the bottom? Yeah, I feel like I wore those but with no socks. That is so crazy. My toe, my very last toe is so little that it only looks like I have four toes when I wear them so I can only wear them with socks but that is so funny. The

little Chinese laundry slippers, like the $5 Chinese laundry slippers. Those also. Okay. Well, I need to know where everybody's from that's listening to this. Also, what shoes you wore in middle school. On that note, let's do foul play. Okay. I met a guy on Tinder in 2018 and we went on a few dates and I was really feeling good. Not Tinder. I know, right? I, at the time, lived in a big city, so dating in Tinder became a lot of fun. I let this guy pick me up from my place for our second and third date and decided the fourth date,

I would let him come upstairs and check out my apartment. On our fourth date, he picked me up and came upstairs to take a few shots with me prior to going to a sports bar restaurant to watch the NBA finals. Shots were had, and at the time I had a roommate who was into history and antiques and had a three-piece sword set in a case hanging on the wall. Well, at the time of taking shots, my Tinder date seemed to have a lot of questions around the swords.

Questions I obviously didn't have answers to, like how old, how big, what were they used for in older times, et cetera. I didn't think much of it at the time and just told him I didn't really know. We then headed to the bar and had a great time, had dinner, had a few more drinks, and then decided to head back to my place.

I invited him upstairs with me and we continued the party in my room. As we started to hook up, we were both naked. He started calling me the other woman's names, which for obvious reasons completely threw me off. I noticed it looked like he was looking right through me when he suddenly shouted, I'm getting these swords. I'm going to kill you and myself with those swords. He jumped

up and began to walk towards the living room. I grabbed him by the waist and yelled to my roommate, get the swords and go in your room in which she was like, what the fuck? Okay. She didn't know how truly scared I was. I was able to wrestle him back to my bed and thought maybe he was just really drunk. Naive of me. I was able to wrestle him back to my bed and thought maybe he was just really drunk, naive of me, I know. I got him a bottle of water in which he opened it while sitting on my bed, didn't drink the water, but poured the entire bottle of water over his head while sitting on my bed. I was like, what the fuck is going on? I told him if he didn't get picked up within 30 minutes, I would be calling the police. He

was not saying a single word. I finally got him to unlock his phone in which I called one of his homeboys to pick him up. He refused to dress himself and three of his friends carried his naked body out of my apartment. Such a scary night. I truly don't know what would have happened if he got a hold of those swords. The next morning he had the audacity to text me and asked if I had roofied him. I told him, no, I would never do such a thing. We never spoke after that. Love you ladies and thanks for hearing the madness. First of all, no, you were so embarrassed that you didn't know what else to do that you texted to do damage control. Fuck you. You scared the living shit out of this poor girl. No, absolutely not.

I feel like she was on a date with Brian Coburger. No, well, that's not funny. It's not funny. It's not funny. That's what I personally feel like. Also, if I ever was in a situation where I was hooking up with somebody and they said they were going to go and get a sword and kill me and themselves, absolutely I'm passing away before they even kill me. That's number one.

Number two, this whole thing is just really fucking weird and sinister. I don't know what I would do. I really do not know what the fuck I would do. Also, I want to know how many people have been in an intimate situation where you have been called somebody else's name. Has that happened to you? No. I've accidentally, not in an intimate situation, but like in a conversation, I've accidentally called someone someone else's name. But were you doing some shady stuff?

Like were you two timing it that time? No, I mean, I still, I mean, not nevermind. I mean, do you want to like spill it? I would sometimes I just say like, I'll call somebody like hobbies name. I don't know why. It's always hobbies though. It's always hobbies. It's never Chris. It's never Joe. It's just hobby. I don't know why I have no clue. That's insane. I have actually

It's not like he was my most recent ex. So I truly don't know. I have actually done this before. I've not been a victim of this, but I have done this before. Like called someone by someone else's name? By pure accident. Yeah. I truly wouldn't even be thinking of him and it would be like just second nature. I don't know if it's because I don't know. I don't know. I don't have an answer. I don't have an answer. Never during sex. I don't have an answer. But I don't have an answer. Never during sex. I don't have an answer for myself either. But there have been times that I have done this and this has not been one time. This has been multiple times with the same person

with someone else's name. Oh, and what do you do? Like what, how do you save yourself? You don't. You just don't. You just wait and see what's going to happen and then you're just in fight or flight at that point. I can't. That's what happens. Next foul play. This girl says, foul play. Okay.

It has been requested for me to share the story of how my husband and I first met. I was 21 getting ready to leave for boot camp. It was a long day of PT and this cute guy was there on recruiting assistants leading the workouts. After everything was over, we usually would all hang out in the hallway and ask boot camp questions. I was sitting on the couch, he was sitting on the floor to my left. I don't know about everyone else, but after a good workout, my stomach tends to be dramatic. So does this mean you're like shitting yourself? Need more answers.

Knowing this, I stood up to go to the bathroom while I was placing my sweatshirt down on the couch. I let the biggest, smelliest fart out directly into his face. Saying I was mortified was an understatement. I used to be the girl that would wake up early to put my makeup on before my boyfriend would wake up for some context.

He grabs his face and is coughing, trying to breathe. I couldn't apologize fast enough and I was about to cry and die. I went home very shortly after. Later in the night, he got my phone number from a recruiter and apologized to me, wanted to make sure that I was okay. He felt bad for making me feel uncomfortable and kept talking about how farting was a natural

thing. That's the moment I knew I was going to marry this guy. We were 11 years married today with two kids and it all started with a fart. With a fart. Oh my fucking god. Number one. I don't know if it's just me. Or if it's everyone but farting is like the most awkward thing ever. I understand it's a natural thing.

I know that I've been beat up, people saying, oh, well, Lindsay's never queefed or never. Well, in fact, I have. I have at this point. Okay. Farting sucks. It sucks because it's so natural, but also it's, I don't know why we just are so grossed out. Like I would be mortified to fart in front of Elijah, like I've literally shit on the floor, not making it to the bathroom, but I would be

mortified to fart in front of him. It's just, it's like one of those weird, embarrassing things that just a natural thing for everybody, but you you don't want your partner to be a part of that. That's a part of the life that you do not share. Okay? I also just want to say, if someone texts me, farting's not quite enough as it is, but if someone texts me to follow up on the fart, count me the fuck out. I am never responding. I can't. I cannot, I can't.

That's just, that's not a thing. But on that note, I need to go and get some soup. I don't know if I told you about this, but I've become a big soup girly for a while. No, soup is not a meal. Soup is a snack, soup is an appetizer. Soup is not a meal, it's not a thing. I had a pasta visual last night.

And- What the fuck is that? It's like a chili soup. It's like, I know they have it at Olive Garden. It's like, or they have like a variation of it at Olive Garden. It's like beans, ground beef, some veggies, carrots, whatever. And then like pasta. So it's like a soup, but it's like a chili soup. Okay.

Well, I've just become this big soup girlly and I do not know where it came from. I just love it. Pretty much when I move, I'm going to start making soups and sharing the recipes on Instagram. That's how committed I am to the soup game. And Kristin also is seconding me that she's not here for the soup slander and neither am I. So on that note, thank you guys for always supporting our show. Please subscribe and review on the Apple podcast app, follow and rate on Spotify, or listen wherever you get your podcasts. Don't forget to follow us on Instagram and join our Facebook group to connect with us and our community. We hope you guys

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