Coffee Convos with Kail Lowry and Lindsie Chrisley - I Can't Live In A World Without Coffee Convos

Episode Date: October 21, 2024

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I hate gift giving and receiving. Receiving gifts is so weird. What do you say, thank you? This is Coffee Convo's with Kale Lowry and Lindsey Chrisley. I really want you to be in your feels, Kale. That does not interest me whatsoever. I feel very attacked by you. A spirited discussion about motherhood, friendship, family,

and life in the public eye. I'm just not with the fakery anymore. There's a fakery bakery around here. Here's Kale and Lindsey. Hello, Coffee Combo listeners. Wow, we got singing today. Yeah, I'm fired up. Good morning.

Good morning. How are we? We are collectively all distraught. We are distraught. We are in shambles. So what's going on? Not a whole lot. I am rocking this again for this recording because I want to show my undying support here. What are you up to these days? Like, when am I going to see you next?

You're going to see me in Chattanooga. Can you, can you say Chattanooga for us? Chattanooga? I think it's so funny how you say it. I'm going to see you there next month. Actually, two or three weeks. No, I'm excited because I feel like I've seen you and I've seen Kristin so much this year and I've absolutely loved it. Because before, I mean, Kristin only lives

two hours from me, but trying to like hang out and do a friend day is absolutely impossible. But we had a friend day on Saturday and then also I just like see her so much and now I'm seeing you so much and I'm just, it makes my heart so happy. But it also makes you feel way out of sorts when it's like you come home and then you go back to your regular life and it's like, wait, that was that not real life? Well, you know, what would be a great real life would be if we lived near each other. Yeah. Or like me moving to Georgia, because I would love to do recordings in person. Like that would be when we do recordings in person, it's probably my favorite thing, mainly because

like we just vibe off each other's energy. I mean, we do it in person, it's probably my favorite thing mainly because we just vibe off each other's energy. I mean, we do it here pretty well. I think just all things considered, I think we do a good job over a reverse on this recording, but it's just a different, it's just a little extra when we're in person. It is a little bit extra. I'm also very excited for Chattanooga for various different things that I'm not going to disclose because I have zero authority to be able to disclose such things. What have I been doing?

Well, I had the best weekend ever. I slept for the majority of my weekend. So that was really nice. Set up a playpen for Oliver on the back porch so that the hawks don't get him. And he's been sunbathing all day. Wait, time out because I see things I didn't even think about like a small dog and hawks, but I see lots of stuff on my feed for like Facebook, Instagram to talk about things that people do for their chickens. Cause I wasn't thinking about the fact that other predators can get my chickens. And I knock on

what I love my chickens so much, like I know them individually a little bit. So I feel like I have like a personal attachment to them. I would be absolutely devastated if something got my chickens, but I never thought about the fact that like your dog is small enough to be picked up by a hawk. Oh yeah. And there was a buzzard that was sitting out on my back porch this morning. And I was like, motherfucker, you're not getting my dog because he's in a playpen with a lid on it. With a lid on it. That's so scary. I know that I call it rescued. I don't know if I told you this already, but my hairstylist friend, Taylor, her mom had chickens and I acquired

one of their chickens because their flock was attacked and they only had one chicken left. And so she was like, can you ask Kale if she wants the chicken? And so I have Anna the chicken now, but their flock had been attacked on several occasions. Can you tell me about these personal relationships that you have with chickens? Well, so they all have their own personalities. And Chilly is my red hen. She's like the color of chili.

And I just love her so much. She's she's crazy. She will walk right up to you and does not like if you she's plucking you to see if you have food. And she just has them like just a big personality for a chicken. Anna is pretty laid back. So Anna is the one that was, I adopted her from Taylor's family. She's I think she's probably the oldest in the flock and she's pretty chill.

She's laid back. I would guess that she's probably the wisest of all of the hens. And then I have a rooster named Boomer, which is named after Elijah's uncle because he's kind of a dick sometimes. And that's Boomer, which is named after Elijah's uncle because he's kind of a dick sometimes. And that's Boomer and he's the only accidental rooster in the flock and he's just a total ass. Is it because his uncle's a total ass? Well, no, that's just why I named him that.

But I actually didn't name him someone else did. So shout out to Boomer, Uncle Boom Boom, Boomerang. So and then there's just a bunch of other chickens. I don't have to go into like a in depth. I mean, I'll post about it if you guys like want like a slideshow I can do it like more in depth. And I'll put like character traits and qualities but it's going well. That's very interesting. I also have had a ton of furniture

deliveries. I am the process of organizing my closet to the point of I've now decided that I'm ordering all of these like acrylic things to make it look like a shopping experience, even though it's, I'm shopping my own closet. So that's kind of like where we currently are. Oh, I love that for you. Most recently, I just got a text from my son and they have homecoming this week for football.

So they'll play on the high school field on Saturday. Oh, cute. Make like this whole poster with his football picture on it and like, you know, just like all the shit to make it exciting. Okay. Well, the cheerleaders and the football players, they like match up. So the team moms like match the football player up with the cheerleader. And Jackson just texts me and goes, is there an option where you don't have to give roses to the girls because I don't want to? What is his aversion to giving the cheerleader a rose? Well, naturally, you know, mom instinct kicks in and I'm like, why don't you want to?

He says because half the girls on the cheer squad, I just don't like them and it's embarrassing. And it's embarrassing. Okay. So now what's the solution? Artist, basketball players, softball players, like it's not cheerleaders. Right. Okay. I mean, are they older girls? Because I also think that he's still in the age. Some boys are still, Lincoln's kind of there, like he sort of likes girls, but also I think they still have cooties. Oh, it's definitely that age. So some of the boys in the friend group have liked girls for like a very long time.

See my kids aren't there yet. None of them. And I am okay with that. I think late bloomers are perfectly fine. I also did I ever tell you about the girls that are in Lux and Lincoln's classes that are sisters and they bully the fuck out of my kids. Did I tell you this? No. What? These two sisters, I won't obviously say their names, but have punched my kids, like full on bullied them to the point that like they're very upset. And I actually just had one of my girlfriends, one of my best girlfriends said something to me the other day and she

was like, does Lux ever talk about this girl? And I said, yeah. I said, and Lincoln talks about the sister. I said in there and she was like, no, her son literally is crying until he throws up, doesn't want to go to school because of this bully girl. Yes. So are they individually like targeting your kids or is it like a whole classroom situation that they're just mean to everyone or is it like a whole classroom situation that they're just mean to everyone? Or is it like just your kids?

I'm not entirely sure now that they've moved on to my friend's son, I'm thinking that it's probably not like a target to my kids. But when I realized when my kids told me that these girls were sisters, I was like, Oh, no, no, doesn't kind of make you wonder what's going on at home. And that's what I told them. Obviously, it's not an excuse for their behavior, but I was very, very upset by that. And I also am upset because I feel like you have to be accepted into the Spanish Immersion

Program. So what's even more upsetting is that this is supposed to be a more elite program and you have to be accepted into it. So at what point, when there's severe bullying occurring, at what point do you get removed from this allegedly more elite program? I mean, I feel like any type of disciplinary infraction should be grounds for removal. Is also my how I feel about it too. Yeah. Update Jackson, I said, Well, what girls do you like if it's not them? He said none. I don't like them. They're weird. So you can go ahead and message my coach and tell him

that I will not be doing that because you don't have to. You just have to tell him. They're weird. I love that. There will be no roses that he will be, wow, this is not the bachelor. It's not happening. But you know what? I love the dynamic that you and Jackson have because he feels comfortable to tell you, hey, I'm not comfortable with this. I don't want to do it. And I feel like that's okay. If he doesn't want to give a girl a rose, that should be his call. And I think that this is like a story that's going to go down in the books that I would tell at his wedding or like engagement party one day.

Yes. Hey, he was not like just freely passing out roses. Like this was a big deal. And it kind of makes me feel good inside. Yeah, this would not be a problem for me. I'd be like, okay, that's fine. Speaking of homecoming, when this episode airs, Isaac will have attended his first homecoming dance and his first homecoming event as a freshman in high school. And I, he bought, Elijah took him shopping to get his suit and like, he did a really good job picking out his suit.

I was like, okay, now we have to figure out shoes, but I'm so excited for him. Also, wait, time out because we're talking about like school stuff. Isaac started an ASL club at school. And so in order to start a club, you have to have a teacher that's backing you. He took it upon himself to email all the world language teachers, because the first person that he asked his own Spanish teacher, she said no. And so he ended up messaging three more of the world language teachers and basically was like, I'm looking for someone who will back this group for me. It's an ASL club. Found one, one committed to it. He had it on the school announcements like on their like school TV show. They like did a whole little advertisement for it to

do to attend the interest club and like the meeting. And I'm just so proud of him because I was like, I never was a club girly in school. I didn't attend anything. It was like whatever the bare minimum was, was what I did as a child. Oh yeah. There was like no joining chorus, joining band, knitting club. Reading club obviously wasn't one that I attended. No, it was like you just go to school and you go the fuck home. Yeah. I think I joined band, but that was like during school hours when I was in sixth grade. But anyway, trumpet.

My uncles had a trumpet so my mom didn't have to buy one. So my one of my uncles gave it to me and I was free. So my mom of course was like, that's fine. I'm so dead. You playing a trumpet. I can't. Oh, yeah. In high school. You couldn't catch I mean, I played lacrosse, but like, but that was like, I don't know, that was different than I feel like joining a club or like having a resume of activities in high school. It just like, I also didn't have like the rides

to get to and from I wasn't I didn't. I also didn't surround myself with really great people. So I can't honestly say that I would have joined the club, any clubs, but I'm so proud of Isaac because I told him he could be doing other things that are not super productive. And he's in debate club. He started ASL club. And so I'm just so proud of him. I think that it's so great also that he didn't take that as defeat when his teacher told him no, and he did it himself to go out and ask other people, other teachers how to say like that. That to me is big out of the whole thing. If my teacher would have said no, I would have started crying right there on the spot.

I'm not even exaggerating. I mean, if I was looked at wrong, I would cry. So he has some self-confidence that I lacked probably all the way up until recently. So wait, were you a crying child? Yes. I also was. And my, it used to piss my dad off so bad. If I would even shed a tear, he would be like, you're not going to be weak as well water in this life. Dry it up. Like crying. It was accepted. Why were we criers though? Because I look back and I think about, you know, say, say someone just said something like a teach somebody, I was always of somebody of authority, if they said something to me in a certain way. And then I would hold on to it like, okay, that's how they feel about me for the rest

of the year. So then it would break me in a way that other kids could be like, get off your phone in class and they wouldn't they'd get off their phone. Like, I'm just using that as an example, because I can't really think of something else. And then so if someone said that to me, I would hold on to that for the rest of the year and think that that is how they thought of me for the rest of the year, the rest of the time that I was around them. And I would cry, like it would just, I don't know what it did to me.

A hundred percent. If I ever got called down for anything growing up, I wore it like on my sleeve around everywhere. I don't know if it was like fear of like feeling rejected or like possible disappointment maybe. I feel like you and I were probably both shy children if I had to guess. Oh, I was shy, insecure. I was very unremarkable as a child prior to, I mean, even while I was on,

I even feel like my entire journey on 16 and pregnant and meeting the other girls and then the early seasons of Team, very unremarkable. Like I was never standing out in someone's mind as a child either. So I think that that also, that on top of someone being disappointed in me or me doing something that I shouldn't have. But also, which is weird, is I didn't get extraordinary grades or anything like that. I very much did the bare minimum. I did whatever I had to do to get by, but it wasn't like I was a shy child, unremarkable, but I got exceptional grades or something like that. I think overall, in my life, I was not remarkable in any way.

I didn't get the greatest grades until college. I feel like you and I probably would have been like best friends in elementary school, honestly. And I said I wasn't a part of any clubs. I created two clubs in second grade. It was the Five Star Trapper Keeper Club and a Mary-Kate and Ashley Club. Right. And if you did not have any type of personality traits

of Mary-Kate and Ashley, like you weren't in it. And if you did not have a five-star Trapper Keeper or you could have had like a Lisa Frank folder, that would have worked as well. But if you didn't have that, you can't have that, you can't provide anything to the club. Got it. Okay. I also wasn't in any fake clubs either.

You weren't? No. So like who did you play with? I played with kids, but we didn't have any fake clubs or anything. Oh my God. Coffee Convo's podcast is sponsored by BetterHelp. We've talked about therapy in these last two episodes so much that we want to remind you guys that BetterHelp is a great option, especially if you are already thinking about giving therapy a try or if you go to therapy already and you're looking to switch, BetterHelp is a

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that. I was told to go ahead and do it while he's like between four and five months old so that he doesn't start hiking his leg. But like what are there going to be any repercussions for him not having his balls like he's never having kids. So what is the problem about hiking the leg? Like what is that? Because I've I don't it doesn't make it like they're going to pee either. They're either going to pee by lifting their leg or they're going to pee by leaving their leg down. What is the difference?

They're still going to pee. No, I know that, but growing up, we used to have a weenie dog and he would hike his leg and like do territorial mark. And it would be like on furniture and stuff. So I try to prevent territory marking. Then I'll just get him fixed. And plus he's not going to ever have any children. So I think, um, I have only had big dogs and I was told that

for the big dogs, you wait a little bit longer. There's some, um, conflicting evidence or research that shows that their joints will be developed or if they're not, you know, if they're not old enough, their joints and their bones won't develop all the way. I don't actually know. I think whatever your vet suggests, I think you should listen to them maybe or because I think online it's hard to find like credible sources as we all know. I don't need to tell it. I don't need to preach that on here. But if your doctor thinks that there's no repercussions, I think that, I mean, because I don't do dogs, like, will it prevent them?

No, it won't prevent them from hunting, humping because Gizmo was humping and he was fixed. Is this so weird when you see like a dog hump something like a bed or like a toy? It's like, the fuck are you doing? So whether they have balls or not, they're still going to hump. So I mean, I don't really care necessarily about the humping. It's like, can you just like, please do it in your playpen outside so I don't have to be subjected to it because it kind of feels like walking in on your parents. And it's just not something that I necessarily want to see.

Like what did you see in that giraffe that you needed to do that? Right. Like I don't need to, I don't need to, but are attracted to like their stuffed animals in their beds? Like do they visually see that and they're like, oh, let me get that. No. So from my understanding, no, most animals do not. They only reproduce for like reproducing. They don't reproduce for pleasure. So they don't have that sort of same. Then why are they humping a stuffed animal? That I don't know. I think it's just like nature.

And okay, this is just like going way too far, but I'm going to take it there. Like are they humping and they get off or they just like hump and then it just, they stop pumping? I wish I don't know. I was going to say, I wish I knew, but I actually don't. Well, if anyone knows, please tell us. We have a couple of listener topics that I wanna be able to get through. The first person says, what is your favorite cost efficient all-inclusive trip? We're planning a 10 year anniversary trip next year

for just my hubby and I, no kids. I'm gonna say Mexico. I think it is the most cost efficient and I've never had any issues traveling there. I think it's a pretty easy flight. I know that Kale and I were looking into something not too long ago about going to Mexico and it was going to take her a long time to get there. It's only two and a half hours from Atlanta. So I would like check that out. and take her a long time to get there. It's only two and a half hours from Atlanta. So I would like check that out.

But there are like adult only all-inclusive resorts in Mexico. Actually Trent and I went to one, what was it Kale, like last year? Yeah. I think it was last year. Yeah, and it was absolutely phenomenal. Probably one of the best trips that I've ever been on.

No kids around, just very, very nice. And I really don't think you get the best bang for your buck. I just took the kids. Obviously, I know you're asking for no kids and adults, but in terms of the efficiency, the cost, the price point, and the ability to get there easily and have a good experience for a good price. I think Mexico as well. I took the four older kids to Mexico this year and we absolutely loved it. I think it was a great experience. I've stayed at several resorts in Mexico and there are obviously

some that are adults only, so I would definitely look at that option And I would agree with Lindsay. I think Mexico is a great option. I stayed at Secrets and it was probably the nicest place that I've stayed anywhere. Is that adults only? Adults only, yeah. And loved it. Next person says, when you come in from running errands and being outside, do you keep your clothes that you were wearing on or do you switch into house clothes? And I actually love this topic. I grew up when you go outside, whether that's outside to play

or you're going to the grocery store or whatever, we were always like, come home and put on your comfies or come home, take a shower and put on your PJs. I think just not because we're cognizant of germs and being outside. I think just by nature, my kids and I love to put our comfortable clothes on as soon as we come in, literally. So Lux had a doctor appointment today and it was smack dab in the middle of the day. So it didn't make sense to go to school before or after the appointment. And in the car on the way home today, he was like, so can I put my pajamas

on when I get home? And if I put my pajamas on when I get home, can I still go to soccer for creative practice? And I was like, yeah, if you want to put your pajamas on and then take them off and then put your other clothes, your play clothes back on to go to soccer, that's fine. Also, he's not sick. So if anyone is listening to this, the appointment was not because he's sick. It was a different type of appointment. My dad always used to tell Julie whenever we were growing up, she would say, y'all smell like outside. Oh, 100%. That's insane. Like outside, like what does outside smell like? It's like air. But it's like outside air stuck to your sweat because you're running around and you're playing.

And so it like, I don't know if that's it. Like it sticks to your sweat and then it has like that sweat outside smell. I don't know. Like if Jackson came in this house right now, I would immediately know that he had been outside for like five minutes. Cause I could smell what the outside air smells

like on his body. Yes, 1000% agreed. Agreed. outside for like five minutes. Cause I could smell what the outside air smells like on his body. Yes. 1000% agreed. Agreed. You've been playing and also I don't, I've gotten a little bit better about my germs than what I was before. It's been progress and I've had to do some of that

through therapy to be perfectly honest. I just really don't like that type of like stench or those germs on furniture, like in the house. It's like, it's absorbing all of that. You know, it's not like we're in the old timey times where they put the plastic like coverings over couches and stuff where everything's like covered and you can just like wipe stuff off.

We're not living in that time. I have a question about your germ thing. stuff where everything's covered and you can just wipe stuff off. We're not living in that time. I have a question about your germ thing. Through therapy and appointments with whatever doctors you see or therapists you see, is there a correlation for you between OCD and then the germs. Isaac also has that. He's very much like you when it comes to germs. Someone told him that that's not OCD, and OCD is when you count things a certain number of times. I said to him, I said, Isaac, that's actually not true at all. I think that there is a stereotype where people think that that's what OCD is, but that's actually not what OCD is. I have low-level OCD and OCD tendencies and coping. And so I know through therapy,

which was diagnosed by my psychologist, the difference. But for you, I was wondering if you're sure, I don't want to call it germophobia because I think it's a little bit different, but is that OCD for you? Yes. And I would almost call it being germaphobic. I can obviously, we go places and do things like you've seen me, but I am very particular about certain things, specifically my home. And I know that I have control of my home and my space and my vehicles

and that space. I'm not as bad about it if I'm like at a hotel or a resort or whatever. I know that's communal space and I have to, if I want to be there and I want to participate in those things, I have to somewhat adapt to whatever that scenario is. But immediately when I come home, I go right back to those tendencies. Like I have been asked by people, hey, why do you leave all of your shoes in the garage? Like you have some shoes in your closet

and some shoes are in the garage. I'm like, well, they haven't been washed or like wiped down before they come in the house and I don't want those on my shelves. Isaac is just like you. And like, I'm also very weird about the way I eat things and mannerisms of which I eat things. Like I don't want my hands dirty all the time.

I'm very conscious of having extra napkins to make sure nothing gets dirty. I don't want to drink after people. Isaac won't let me use his chapstick. He will not eat off of anything that I've eaten off of. He won't let me eat off of something that he's eaten off of. He's very apprehensive about the double dipping. He actually, and this is a PSA for anyone who may see, you know, Isaac out in public is like, he does not want to be touched in any way. So, and it's not to be rude. It's truly because of like the, I believe it's OCD. He's not been diagnosed. This is just, I'm, you know, how I feel about it. He does not want to be

touched. And so when people like come up to us and they like recognize him and they try to like give me a hug or give him a hug, he's not trying to be rude. He just does not like to like, he, he's very specific about what he touches his hands, things like that. And so, but it's, it's, I would say, in my opinion, a little bit extra than like a normal person being conscientious of what they're touching and you know, germs and things like that would say it's like a little bit next level. But through therapy, I have gotten a lot better. Like I no longer feel like I need to have Clorox wipes everywhere. At one point, I had Clorox wipes, you know, like the little skinny

packs of the Clorox wipes, it has like 10 or 15 or something in them. And they've got that little plastic seal thing. I carry those and my purse and sanitizer everywhere. I would never put Jackson in a shopping cart. I would take him in a stroller and put all the things underneath the stroller and then check them out. I've come a long way. I still have a long way to go. But I would agree with Isaac, I very much require personal space. And I want to meet people and I want to be cozy with people. But at the same time, I don't. And I want to protect how I feel and how I operate while coexisting with those people. I have done a ton of therapy on the germs

and the OCDness and relationships. And it took me a really long time to be okay with drinking after someone or eating after someone. I used to not always be that way, but now I can successfully do it. Finally, honestly, my therapist just got down to the bottom of it and she was like, if you're having sex with that person,

you're sharing germs with that person. It took me a really long time to be able to feel comfortable enough to do that. I would love for Isaac to work through some of those things and just talk to us. Like, I don't necessarily know that he needs to be like diagnosed with anything, but I think if he could just like address some of them in therapy, that would be good. And I also wanted him to know that like, he's not the only one that deals with this.

But for anyone who might recognize him in, in person, he's not trying to be rude. Like me go into a buffet. Is a no. That's like a that's a flat, flat no. Fall is here. And I know how crazy life can get around the fall we have back to school we have fall sports starting and we know how crazy it can be trying to get something to eat but luckily chomps knows real life demands with real ingredients. Lindsay and I both love chomps.

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So I just like don't. That's the real reason why I don't like to do it. They could be on Lexapro. True. Antidepressants of any sort will mess with your libido. So I think it's more of like a conversation if it's bothersome, but I don't think that that would be a reason for me not to do it. I don't know.

I just, I don't like rejection. So I feel like if I do it and it doesn't go as I expected or as I wanted, I will just hurt my own feelings. Yeah, but is there not a world where just like a little of that is used as foreplay and there's no coming situation with that? And then it's like, okay, get it in. That's sort of like, that's where I'm at with it. Like I would be fine for it to be a foreplay situation but not going all the way because at that point, it's like if you're doing, if you're coming all the way during that, then we're both not, it's not a fun time. I would tend to agree. And also, this is not to be judgmental by any way, but I would have thought that you would have like really enjoyed doing that.

Really? Yeah. Oh, we're the opposites. judgmental by any way, but I would have thought that you would have really enjoyed doing that. Really? Yeah. Oh, we're the opposites. Yeah. We are. It's a tract. We are exactly opposite in that situation, ma'am.

Ma'am. You hate it. Okay. So a listener sent us this article that is a crime article. And it says head and arms found in Colorado freezer identified as a 16 year old girl. That actually is heartbreaking. 16 year old girl. Like I thought that we were past the era of the era as the generations of these types

of crimes. You cannot get away with these types of crimes anymore. I don't want and just the devastate. I don't understand how are how is this stuff still happening? 16 year old girl is that kills me. The details of this it says that people were cleaning out a recently sold home and found what they thought were possible human remains. Um, the items were determined to be a human head and four arms with hands attached. So that means there were two murders.

No, it was her head and her four. So like, oh, four. No, it was her head and her forearms with her hands. Okay, not forearms. No, no, no, no, no, not. She didn't have forearms. It was her second body. Correct, so it said that the remainder of her body had not been located,

but her death is being investigated as a homicide. That hurts my- She was biological daughter of the previous owner of the home and said that the child had not been seen or heard of, like since April of 2005. They found these human remains in, let's see, on January the 12th of this year. So like from 2005 all the way to like this year.

So my question surrounding this then is for a case like Lacey Peterson, who went missing and went viral before even social media platforms were even thought about. How does a case like that with a missing woman circulate that fast, but the case of a missing 16 year old doesn't? I understand that there are thousands of cases every single day. But how did this not make bigger headlines sooner? If we're talking about the previous owner's daughter and he reported his child missing, or she reported her child missing, or they rather, they could have, it could be both parents, did they not do a thorough investigation surrounding the house the same way they did for Lacey Peterson where they checked the home and they, I mean, I know initially they

did not, but at some point, how did they not find during the, but I guess because if she was 16, then they say she could have been a runaway. I just don't have words. It doesn't give details surrounding if there was ever anything like reported of this child missing or if it was just discovered when these body parts were found. But in situations like this, I always wonder like, did this child not have grandparents or like an aunt or an uncle or classmates, you know, school system? How does something like this go undiscovered for that long of a period of time? And if the child was actually missing, why was the house never searched?

That's exactly what I'm saying. Also, remember the case that I told you around here where Lux plays baseball, that body was found of a little girl. I think she was like three or four years old. Do you remember that? The stepfather's mother was asking where that child was, which was, I believe, the start of that whole investigation surrounding the missing child. So that one had essentially relatives or family members that were asking about the child. And I would hope that if one of my kids was to go missing, I would hope that there are enough people that would be like, where is so-and-so? I just can't... I don't think we could put ourselves in this situation because there are so many people that follow that it's like if someone in our

personal lives didn't report it, like definitely the internet would. When I hear cases like this though, I'm like, were the parents, you know, like those weird type of people that don't have anything to do with the outside world? Okay, the ones that are like anti anti anti social, nobody would necessarily think it was off if they don't go out in public and things like that. Yeah. Yeah, I guess that's the only conclusion we could come to because otherwise, how would they get away with this?

And like, how does someone just get a head and those other like a forearm and hands that are there? Are they going to find the other body parts or where the fuck are they? We're talking about a torso, like anything from like here down to your toes, and where are the top parts of the arms? Where's the rest of the body?

I don't know, I just feel like that we need to go to Colorado and like do the thorough investigation. Something else that we were tagged in, it says Texas middle school cheerleaders suffer first and second degree burns after punishment from their coach. No, no. The way everybody's getting sued, I said it on the last episode and I'll say it again, the way that I would sue every single person involved is what would happen. So it says this happened in Lubbock, Texas. 13 cheerleaders at a middle school were suffering from first and second degree burns on their

hands after they said that their cheer coach made them perform bear crawls and crab walks on hot outdoor track as punishment. Was the hot track part of the punishment or was that unintentional? I would just venture out to say that not even would I let my dog walk on a hot track in extreme heat. If you are an adult that's in a position to be coaching children, that should have been something that was investigated like that coach should have done the bear crawls and crab walks or whatever ahead of them being required to do it to make sure that nothing could happen to them.

Right, right, right, right, right. Like at the point that you are telling somebody to do something, I feel like here's the thing, and this might be a hot take. I'm not entirely sure. Maybe nobody gives a fuck, but as a youth sports coach or a coach for anybody, you know anybody all the way up to 18. As a coach, my opinion is that the coach should be demonstrating, I don't care if it was for punishment or not, you need to be demonstrating exactly what it is that you want the children to do. So for example, in this specific scenario, you needed to demonstrate what was going on before it was done. And at that point, if you didn't know, didn't even think about

the fact that that track was going to be hot, you had would have found out yourself as soon as you demonstrated what needed to be done. So and but I felt that way for a long time before even hearing about this is like if the coach can do it, don't expect the kids to do it. But it's the same thing as like a teacher in a classroom. Most teachers that I know of have some type, okay, let's say your child's in kindergarten and they're cutting out a piece of paper and coloring it and pasting it to another piece of paper. Most kindergarten teachers have already done like a demonstration of that to show them

what it looks like. So why would that standard not be set for coaches requiring physical activity? It says these girls were told to do the bear crawls and crab walks for a mile, but most weren't able to continue after two laps due to pain and got so physically sick from it. The girl said the punishment happened and one of the parents went on the track to check the temperature that afternoon and said it was at least 125 degrees. Wow. It was reported in a quote, we told her that our hands were burning and she said she didn't care made us go back down on the track. One

of the cheerleaders who said this was asked to remain anonymous. See, at that point, we would have had to be in to I mean, it sounds good in theory, obviously, when you're when you're being coached, I think it's a lot different. So it's, it's easy for me to say, band together, and you're all showing her your hands and saying we're not continuing. That sounds good. But in the moment, you're not realizing what's even occurring, you're just know that your hands hurt. I feel like this is so malicious, so intentional, and this coat should be removed

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Compounded medication is not required to and does not receive FDA review or approval RX only. Um, and completely unrelated news to this. Have you been watching the Tiffany Jeff coat drama with RJ.J. Hampton on TikTok? I don't know who they are. Okay, so she's like 25 years old. She's a content creator and she normally does like funny videos, so like comedy, lip syncing,

dancing videos, whatever. So she had briefly dated a basketball player and I forget what team that he plays for. Might be the Heat. I think regardless, he is a professional basketball player and they had a very short-lived relationship. She got pregnant in that relationship, had a little boy in 2023 named Halo. This is this baby or somebody else's baby? This baby, Halo, is their baby together.

Got it. Okay. So they live in different states. I've watched this whole thing play out. I was watching the real time update. So she was making TikTok videos of stuff that was going on. He allegedly cheated on her while she was pregnant with Halo. Moves in with her mom.

Mom helps her for the first six months, then she gets her own place. She does not live in the same state of where he lives. So in order for him to be able to see the child, she flies with this little boy, I think he's 13 months old, flies with him to meet the dad. RJ says, I will get you all a hotel room, whatever, meet me at this hotel. They get to the hotel and are sitting in the lobby. There is no hotel room. He then takes the child from her after they get into a verbal altercation. She calls him out for like physical abuse that allegedly had transpired in their relationship

like on, on TikTok. And he somewhat acknowledges the abuse, flees with the child. She has no idea where he takes the child. This is after he's been traveling for a long period of time during the day. He takes none of the baby stuff with him. So like no food, no extra clothes, no diapers, nothing. I don't believe he took the car seat, whatever. In this situation, what would you do? I mean, you call the police. I do whatever I can. I don't know what you could do other than call the police. So supposedly, she calls the police. And she said that she really didn't believe that he was

necessarily in harm's way. However, she felt as a mother it was harmful because her child is on a specific schedule, eat certain things, like the dad doesn't know these things, he doesn't spend a ton of time with his child. She basically states that the dad is not really like a family member to him. Right. Essentially an extended family member, but not as close as a father and child should be. Correct. Correct. And I would like to post all of the videos that were on TikTok on our Instagram page. Just, I would love to know what other people think of this. If that happened to me, I guess I have questions on both sides.

That literally happened to me. That's literally how my kidnapping went. Wait, what? That is how my kidnapping went as a child. It did? Yes. Like, can you explain that? I mean, literally, Ray was like, my mom, and this is according to my dad's sister and also my mom. So someone on my dad's side corroborated my mom's story, was that something along the lines of me being sick, needing to go to the doctor, my dad

was like, don't worry about it. Don't take off of work. I'm off or whatever. Maybe he lost a job. I don't know. I'll take her to the doctor. Did not take me to the doctor. In fact, flew me to Texas where I ended up really, really sick. I don't know. According to my mom and the poll that they had located me in Texas somehow. I was in the hospital with pneumonia when she found me. Somebody brought me to the hospital. I had pneumonia. I was there for some time. That was actually how my mom located me. As far as I know, I didn't really know who my dad was. I was around six months old, so I was a little bit younger than this 13-month-old. I feel like at age around, even sometimes before one,

I know my twins are about to be one and they, they will make it known who they want to touch them and who they don't want to pick them up. Right? Like uncle twizz, our neighbors, someone that they see on a regular basis, they cry when he picks them up. He doesn't want, they don't want him to pick them up. So it's like to have something like that is traumatizing, even before babies know what trauma is. So that would freak me out as a mom, but it would also freak out a child. It doesn't matter if you've seen them before you might not. It's not home. Do you know what I mean? I don't think that it really has anything to do with control with the next statement that I'm about to make. But if I am solo raising my child and have him on this schedule and he is a

custom to me, like doing everything, I would fear for my child's well being like being worried about them crying for me and not being able to be consoled, like stuff like that, because essentially the other person is, is a stranger, there's very limited contact that's there. So regardless if you're the biological dad or not, you have to think about your child's well being and their mental state. I mean, I just feel like even someone, even a child who knows their dad and has their dad in their life for, you know, consistent periods of time,

specific visitation and things like that, they, in my opinion, still, I wouldn't be comfortable with that, right? Like I wouldn't, even if they know and they're old, you know, like, if you're doing 99% of the work, and 99% of everything, it's like, I just don't think that I'd be comfortable with any dad or parent in that position taking the kids and just running and like to do it under false pre senses is even worse. Oh it's definitely worse and the thoughts of someone taking my 13 month old child and not being able to get in contact with the person that took them. contact with the person that took them, even if she was like, okay, like keep him but this is what he eats and blah, blah, blah, and then bring him back here, at least there would have been some point of contact. I can't imagine like being a mom in that situation, being told, oh, I'm going to get you a hotel room, flying to another state to initiate this contact, right? And then just being left in a hotel

lobby and your son being taken, I couldn't even imagine. I mean, at the point that you do that to your child's mother, you are, you are seriously disturbed. Like you're just, you're in the wrong right off the bat. I don't care what the situation is. So it says, um, his MBA career has practically been non-existent as the Bucks traded him to the Nuggets, who then sent him to Orlando where he ended up being waived. He then joined the Pistons and Heat, both of whom waived him as well. And now turns out for the Delaware Bluecoats.

Do you all have a? It's semi-pro. It's not. It's not pro. It's not it's not pro. It says it's a G League affiliate of the Philadelphia 76ers. Is that right? Yeah. Okay, so he's he's allegedly there. So is that does that mean he's a free agent? Or how does that work? I don't really know. But also, in that situation, how much money are they making?

I always wanted to know about the G League because I think they still make money. I just don't know what the amount is. But at the point that like, I don't know, I don't want to say anything controversial, but it sounds like he's not that great if he's back in the G League, but I don't know anything about sports. Here we are. Actually, I got an argument with someone the other night over nachos about the WNBA. And they were like, well, how many games have you been to in the WNBA?

And I was like, well, I haven't. And I was like, but I watch it. I watch it on TV with my son. And he was like, well, you can't really have an opinion about it if you're not going and supporting like ticket sales or whatever. And I was like, I'm not going to games to support ticket sales all the time, but I can still maintain the opinion that I have.

They're underpaid without attending every WNBA game. Does, I think viewership also matters though too. Right? Like I would guess that viewership also matters in like who's tuning in and things like that. I mean, we'll socket to them real quick. And when I see you, we'll look for, you know, we'll look for a game, we'll go together, we'll go to a couple games, we'll support, we will be regular supporters of going to NBA games. Like that's not a problem. That's an easy fix.

100%. I saw this quote and I wanted to ask you about it. It says people who avoid their own feelings will neglect yours. What are your thoughts? I would disagree with that. I will tell you that I ignore my own feelings and I'm such a people pleaser or have been in the past. I feel like I'm not so much anymore, but I would ignore my own feelings

to bend over backwards for other people because I don't wanna hurt their feelings and I don't want to hurt their feelings and I don't want to disappoint them and I don't want to. I understand that statement and I get why that all I think both can be true, right? Like I can be a people say there's a world where both of those exist. Yeah. And I think that's there's no black or white situation here because I know for a fact I've ignored my own feelings to make sure that someone else's Feelings were at the top of mind So I but I could I could also see where if I'm ignoring my own feelings

Why the fuck am I gonna pay attention to yours? Like I also see that So I actually experience this in a relationship where I was doing exactly what you say that you do Uh-huh. Yeah other person was what you say that you do. The other person was neglecting my feelings because they couldn't acknowledge their own in the same scenario, the same situation. So I was basically bending over backwards, overcompensating for how I felt that they felt neglecting myself while they were neglecting me and themselves. It's such a weird, I mean, how do, how are we expected to like get to where we need

to be as humans and also be with people who are also where they need to be as humans and then we align with them at the same time to do the right amount of growth and the growth in the right direction and grow together instead of apart. There's just a lot of pressure to maintain all these relationships, truly.

I think one thing that I learned from that situation is to really vet situations and where people are, right? And what you're expecting out of someone because if you're putting yourself knowingly in that situation and you've acknowledged it to some extent because your needs aren't being met in that situation, you have somewhat acknowledged that to know that you need more than that.

So are you going to, you have to decide, are you going to accept the person where they are and allow them to grow while you're being neglected? Or are you going to not be in that situation at all? And I did both of those things. I moved myself from a situation, but also stayed in it while I thought that they could grow. And I think we've all done that, right?

Like that's part of the human experience and just learning what growth is and Taking accountability and understanding ourselves like developing that sort of self-awareness. I don't think that people are just born self-aware But why do you think that we as humans like desire to have these relationships? with other people but don't have the ability to hold a relationship. Maybe because all of our growth journeys and our progress journeys are so different that it's not necessarily that we don't have the desire to hold on to the relationships, but it's where we are individually that doesn't always align with the other person. You and I both have, on this podcasting journey, for example,

we started in 2017 and we have both had the desire through all the bullshit, all the ups and downs. We fight like sisters, but at the end of the day, we both still had the same desire, the same goals at the end of it. So it was like the end game was the same. So I think deciding with the people that you're surrounding yourself with, if you guys have the same end goal, can you sort of grow in that direction together and maybe be on different paths? But the end goal is the same. Like the desk, like, I don't know if the destination, it sounds so cliche, like the destination is the same where like, maybe for example, I'll use my divorce, I only can use my divorce as an example, right? Our endgame

was the same, but maybe it changed for one of us. The endgame changed over time, and then the paths that we were on to try to get to the end of it was not the same. So it wasn't necessarily a lack of desire to hold onto to the relationship, but like we couldn't figure out how to get to the same place at the same time. I think that that is very true and probably very common. I think that you and I in a friendship, but also having a business with a friendship involved, I think we've both evolved so much since 2017, right? I think we both have always had the same common goal, but I don't think how we've reached the place we are now was the same way individually.

I would agree. I would agree. And I mean, I was just saying to Kristin not that long ago, I'm like, I think the same can be said about me. But in terms of like you and me, I was like, Lindsay is a different person than when we started like you are so different in all the best ways. Like, when people have said to us, or I've read comments, you know, this is a very unlikely match or an unlikely pair. And in the beginning, I would say, yeah, I agree. Even in the middle a little bit, I could say, yeah, I would have agreed with them.

But now things are just so different. I'm just so thankful that both of us did stick it out as long as we did because I would like to think I'm a different person than when we started. But I see so much growth in you as a human being, as a mom, as a friend, as a business owner. Like, I just wouldn't know. Like I don't even know what I would do if we didn't hold on as tight as we did.

You ever like think about like if Coffee Convo's podcast didn't exist and we didn't fight like sisters to be where we are now, like what would our lives look like? I don't know. And I don't know that I would want to know a world where we didn't do that. And I don't know that I would want to know a world where we didn't do that. Like, I don't think that I would want to know a world like that because truthfully, like you have taught me how to be more direct with people and say what I mean, because at the end of the day, if someone loves you, they're going to take what you say, they're

going to, they're going to digest it and they're going to take, do what they want with it. Right. And so being as close to you as I am, especially now, I have tried to incorporate some of that in my real life, be direct, say what I mean, me what I say, and sort of like, I don't know. I know that's just like a small drop in the bucket compared to all the things, but I don't want to know a world without Coffee Cup of SpotGast. I don't want to know a world without Lindsay Chrisley in my life. I don't want to know that world ever. Oh my God. I was thinking about the other day. I was like, what if Kail and I never met on Twitter?

I'm literally tearing up. Like I have tears in my eyes because I'm like, is that crazy? No. And like, there obviously have been times where we have fought and told each other we hate each other. I mean, I don't know if we said those words, but I it's all worth it. Like it's all been worth it. And I'm just so glad we fought through it. Like I'm so like, you know, it's been my favorite, like fights of all what I don't even know if I remember I don't remember some of the fights. so when Kristen entered the chat and we started our like group chat and you and I would get

like tips like over the group chat and she's just like nowhere to be fucking found. And it's like, bitch, now would be a good time to pipe up. Be like, okay, Lindsey, you're right on this. Actually, you're right on this. Like a referee. Yeah, like what? Why weren't you ref in this basketball game? Women's basketball game right here, right center stage. Like we need a referee right now. It's so funny too, because when we've been in moments of conflict, I feel like I've gotten so much better at but

that's therapy too. Because that's been every avenue of my life, coming back to the table and being like, you know what? I might've been a little out of pocket on that. And you know what? I simmered down and I probably shouldn't have taken it that fucking far. So can we pretend like that? Let's not pretend like it didn't happen, but like, sorry.

So I always like, go back and forth with like the sticks and stones. And I had said this on baby mama's a while back, sticks and stones may break my bones, but words will never hurt me. And I definitely would agree that like words do hurt and they can stick with someone for a lifetime. But I can say in the specific example of Lindsey Chrisley Coffee Combos podcast, I don't remember any mean things you've ever said to me in an argument. And I don't know if that's a choice or if it was subconscious, but I don't give a fuck. And I feel like anything that you and I have to say to each other at this point in our journey is like, you're going to tell me how you feel. I'm going to accept it. I'm going to move on and we're going to just move forward as a whole. And I'm fine with it. Like, I truly

don't remember. Like, there's other things that I've held on to that people have said, but that anything that you've said to me in an argument about coffee combos has never stuck with me. Like, our fights are so dumb. Sometimes I'll be like, that's a bad business plan. You know, it's like, that's the, that is the meanness. I'm like, how do I deliver? But this idea sucks, that Kail's idea sucks. How do I deliver this?

And what world is she living in? Right now. It's a reality, it doesn't matter. But then the crazy thing is, is a lot of your ideas that I'm like, oh my God, I can't even imagine doing that. And then we do it and I have more fun than you. That's happened a couple of times, I feel.

But I feel like you're a really good voice. Like you have very, um, you and Kristen have this, I don't always the voice of reason or like seeing things bigger picture. And I've gotten better with it over I would say probably the last like six months to a year I've gotten better at like the bigger picture. Like just like taking a step and I don't just mean business wise and coffee combos but like in life I'll be like hold on let's take a step back and like think about this. You and Kristen have been really really good at that and I think that I've been able to

kind of learn that from you guys and I appreciate that about you and also about Kristin. What's interesting is talking about growth somewhere that Kail's grown, like leaps and bounds over the last year is kill used to be diary of the mouth sometimes and she would just like say shit. It's like, what are you talking about? Yeah, you pause power in the pause. We're bringing power in the pause and bitches pause in. I mean, I'll still talk about my diarrhea,

but it's not necessarily diarrhea of the mouth. Correct. Yes. And you've also gotten really good at saying something and then standing on it. Like knowing that, okay, I've said this and I'm not talking about us, I'm talking about like other situations. Saying something and standing firm on that. I got that from you because it's like,

I think before I didn't have the confidence to stand 10 toes down on things that I've said or I've done or decisions I've made. And I also think that that comes with self-awareness where before it was like, I never wanted to be wrong. I never wanted to take blame. I never wanted to take accountability. And I think with therapy, being able to take accountability and also saying like, okay, this is my decision or this is my choice. And I not wanting to be because I think before being a people pleaser also affected my ability to stand ten toes down on something. And I not wanting to be because I think before being a people pleaser also affected

my ability to stand 10 toes down on something. And so that's been a journey in and of itself. We just we love coffee combos podcast and we love all the listeners and Heather, please, like if you're listening to this, I know you are. Please keep making Mary Kate and Ashley pictures of us because I absolutely love them. They're one of my favorite things to see on the internet. Like I'm going to frame this. Wait. Without any crime by dinnertime.

Oh, I have, I kept the bag too. Heather gave us this little bag that Kale's holding up. You guys will have to go to our Instagram to see it, but you know, just so creative. That's very Pinterest mom, very scrapbooking mom. No, she's so cute. I also like I do feel like at some point we should feature Heather on Coffee Combos. Like we should, I don't know if we could like, do a feature of like maybe she could answer some questions, we could put a story on our Instagram, or like maybe she could send in a video that we can clip into our full episode. I don't know like I just feel like an Instagram takeover would be

good. Like I just like she's a diehard kitty cat and we just love her. We love a good kitty cat. And Ryan Leonard as well. I always love when we go into the group and it's like someone's written in there and they're talking so seriously, but it'll be like addressing this to all the kiddies and Ryan. And Ryan. Well, is he not a kitty? Because I feel like he should be. He's like, you could be a lion and the rest of us are lioness.

You know what I mean? We just love it. I love that we just took a trip down memory lane. On that note, we have to do foul play because we've got shit to do. In the spirit of Halloween, I would love to share a great foul play with you. It was equally a mom fail in all aspects, and I have never gotten over the secondhand embarrassment

I got from sending my kid to school like this. When my daughter was about six years old, I asked her what she wanted to be at school for Halloween. She told me that she did not want a costume, but she wanted to have a unicorn hairdo. This wasn't her unicorn era. Now let me start by saying I'm not and have never been a Pinterest mom. So I thought that we were just talking about that, but I thought, what the hell? I'm going to try. And let me tell you, I severely overestimated my capabilities. With that being said, I found this super cute idea

on Pinterest. We got up that morning of Halloween, we got up the morning of Halloween at school and started working away at the design. We were already running behind. I was tackling this project on about five cups of coffee. So my adrenaline was through the roof. When I was finally feeling good about the end result,

I started spraying the pink spray the two way shades had brought to make it look magical. Then I ran out of said magical spray and then I panicked realized due to the shading and color I had applied my daughter now looked like she had a massive penis on her head. The pink I used on the end made it look like a shaft and I was mortified. I added some sparkle to try to fix it. And since there was about five minutes left before we needed to leave with the bus, although they all loved her hair that day, my husband laughed about

it for a week straight and that I had sent our daughter out looking like a walking dick to school. I never got over this and even have the picture to prove this massive failure. After this happened, I never attempted anything creative again. I have PTSD. We do have a picture of this and we can post a little heart over the side of her face, but this absolutely looks like a dick. No, I need to I need to open it. Hold on. If you ever send Valley to school like that. Oh, no, she tried. She tried really, really hard. It was a a for effort effort execution. But like I've, I've zoomed in and even like, the end of it looks like the head of a dick.

No, truly, this was I would also have PTSD. So I wow. I mean, she did try so a for effort. Can you imagine your daughter getting on the bus and the bus driver saying that and then walking into the school? Like, can you imagine? No. Oh my god. See, you know what, I'm really interested to start seeing what type of hairstyles that you do for Valli because the way I was not cut out to be a girl mom, don't get me to try to do bubble braids. I'm not doing a ponytail. I cannot braid. I cannot do any of the things. I'm just waiting to see what type of curl pattern Valli has because her hair is starting to get so curly. And if it's anything like Rios, I'm also wondering what type of hairstyles I'll be doing on her.

And I'm excited. So, I mean, either way, no matter what kind of hair she has, I'm excited. But I'm also not a Pinterest mom. So I will see. Does anybody else always feel personally victimized by Pinterest? Because it's me every time, so much so that I deleted the app. Yeah, I I'm never gonna be a Pinterest mom. I aspire to be a Pinterest mom, but I also think I'm just not cut out to be that mom. Remember like when we first started this podcast and I was like back in my Pinterest mom days? Yeah, I mean I my first house I ever owned I was a Pinterest queen. I thought I was DIYing everything in life It was actually pretty awful when I look back, bitch, I thought I was Joanna gains. On that note, thank

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