Coffee Convos with Kail Lowry and Lindsie Chrisley - Idaho Four, Umbilical Hernias & PooPac

Episode Date: August 7, 2025

CC429: Perms, cavities, and poo-related disasters – OF COURSE! Lindsie and Kail read some listener topics, give their latest thoughts on the Idaho Four case, share strong opinions on a new Tennessee school attendance rule, explore the murky world of clothing dupes and the controversial practices of luxury brands, and lastly, a hilarious story about a man named PooPac!Thank you to our sponsors!Better Help: This episode is brought to you by BetterHelp. Visit BetterHelp.com/coffee today to get 10% off your first month.Progressive: Visit Progressive.com to learn more!Thrive Causemetics: Save 20% off your first order at Thrivecausemetics.com/COFFEEWayfair: Visit Wayfair.com or get the Wayfair mobile app.See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

I hate gift giving and receiving. Receiving gifts is so weird. What do you say thank you? This is coffee convoes with Kail Lowry and Lindsay Crissly. I really want you to be in your feels, Kail. That does not interest me whatsoever. I feel very attacked by you. A spirited discussion about motherhood, friendship, family, and life in the public eye.

I'm just not with the fakery anymore. There's a fakery bakery around here. Here's Kail and Lindsay. Good morning, Kitty Kat. Good morning, Kitty Kat. Look at my hair. Yeah, this is yesterday's hair. So we are on the same timeline.

This is also yesterday's hair. I did not get back from the hair salon from Jackson's firm until almost 9 o'clock last night. How did it go? I was not prepared for that. How did it go? You want to see it? Yeah, I do. Okay, hold on.

Does he love it is the biggest question. He loves it. I think I also want a perm, so I don't have to curl my hair anymore. He says it's Riz. It is Riz. He doesn't need to Rora form. Okay, hold on. This is what it looks like.

Oh, that is not what I expected at all. What did you expect? That looks so good. I thought that it was going to be like ringlets. Okay, so I learned a lot about perm yesterday. Just for anybody who has a kid that wants to get a perm. the hair roughly needs to be like six inches long okay so i called christin and i was like are are we sure that his hair's like long enough to do this because the last thing you want to do as a

mom is like get your kid to an appointment that they're so excited for and then them turn them down right so i'm like mentally preparing myself if this happens and she's like oh no we can just do like the smaller curlers it'll be fine the funny part of this entire thing. I was like, Kristen, how do I know, like, what six inches is? How do you know what six inches is? I know what six inches is right off, right off the top. Okay, so put your fingers up. How long do you think that six inches is? One, two, three, four, five. Okay, so my hands are not big enough. I've been saying people are way smaller than what they are. That is not six inches at all.

Is this six? No. Then what is this? Five, four and a half. Like, My middle finger and my thumb are like six inches. I might even have a rule. That's how you would know that. Wait, wait, wait, wait. Okay, so let me tell you the story about all the firm, but before I forget, do you think that most men have measured their dick with like a ruler or a tape measure

in the house? I think that they measure it with whatever they can. So like, they'll take this fucking colored pencil and then they'll measure it and be like, oh like how does it compare to this and then they'll measure this like that's how i picture men being and like i also think and i don't know if you've dated anyone like this but two three people that i've dated in my lifetime have like literally been dick swinging like swinging their dicks around like for funsies oh like helicoptering yes and like what's so funny about that is like okay if we're talking about like my most recent exes like half of them did it and half of them

them didn't. I feel like it's always the male student athletes. Like, if you were any sort of athlete, you are a dick swinger. But if you weren't, you don't. I'm going to prove your theory right here in a second. But I need to know where they're doing this dick swinging. I mean, in my face, basically. Like, they were doing it in the locker room and then they carried it over to like the bedrooms with their girlfriends and wives. Like, I have a story. I have a story. about that. So when I was in college, we used to, so Will's parents purchased a townhouse for him and his older brother. And his older brother, like, had a job, but he was still taking classes and stuff. And then Will was just a fucking athlete and throwing keggers over at the house. Okay. So I would always go

to these parties and hang out with him. And one day I turned the corner and Will is standing on the stairs like pants full fucking down helicoptering in the middle of a fucking living room i told you it's the athletes that'd be doing the shit like that but why like are they trying to prove that they're dick's athletic like what are they like please lindsay lansman please for the love of fucking god i need you to film sly willie big william willard i need you to say it go up to him the next time you see him and say, do you ever wish you were athletic? And I need you to record it. It's a trend on TikTok where you ask people who were athletes if they wish they were athletic.

I need you to ask him because then the second part to that four coffee combos is, were you swinging your dick to make it athletic? Were you trying to build stamina? Were you trying to build endurance? Should I just do that trend to like all of my exes and then also my current partner? Yes, you should. actually, and I'll do the same. Fucking hilarious.

Okay, so back to this perm situation, I did not realize that it was going to be like multiple hour thing. I thought we were going to just, I don't know what I thought actually. I thought we were just going to like go in and they were going to put those little curler things in. They were going to put some chemicals on it like wada boom, wada bang, leave. No. No. This is a three hour ordeal. Yeah, it's an excursion.

It was. he is now going to grow the top part of his hair out so the next time that he goes it can be curlier than what it is he was just working with like shorter hair than what they would normally like to see but very excited to start sixth grade um i look like a fucking mess because i didn't get home until nine o'clock took a shower got in the bed because i was like you know i've got to talk to the kitties in the morning and i need to go get some good sleep didn't even eat dinner um and he's going to spray us off today Wait, what? He's getting his braces off today. When does he start school? Friday.

He starts school on a Friday? Yeah. So I actually like it and I wanted to talk about this on the podcast for other moms. Like if you have, I wouldn't like it for like elementary school. But if you have a kid that's a rising sixth grader and they're going to a new school and it's like a whole different vibe, like he's changing classes for every class now. and they didn't do that in elementary school. They just had two teachers and they switched like first block and second block. Now it's every class is a switch. And so I like it because he just gets to go and like dip his toes in on Friday and then he has the whole weekend to kind of reset and then start back on Monday. So I like it for that purposes. But I think it's just our county always starts August 1st and August 1st happened to fall on a Friday. Yeah. Got it.

Okay. I mean, I guess that makes sense. I just, when we have conversations like me and you or just me and anyone about back to school, like I'm always so shocked by people going back to school so early, like the first of August or whatever, or just, I guess, in August in general. And then I'm like, okay, but they get out in May, but it's not warm enough here in May. some years to get in the pool and stuff. So like it doesn't really benefit us if we were to have that same sort of schedule to get out in May and go back in August. Like here, it's so hot still.

And like, but in May it's not. So like I don't think it would work here. I wonder if the weather has anything to do with it. I don't know. But I feel like when my grandparents were in school, they always told me that they went back after Labor Day and they lived in the South. So I don't know. I think it was a change that happened sometime, sometime like in the 90s, I feel like for the size. I went to the dentist yesterday for a nice little cleaning. And I have a fucking cavity.

Every time you go to the dentist, you get a cavity. Well, I said, you know, the only real change, because she was like, your gums look good. She's like, everything looks good. She's like, but you have this cavity and all of your cavities are between your teeth. Any cavity I've had has been between my teeth. We don't floss, do you? No, I do. But here's what she said. She's like, we need to take a look at your diet. And I said, what do you mean? I said, well, the only thing that's really different, because I used to drink Alonis, but not regularly, right?

Within the last, like, year to 18 months, I'm drinking energy drinks every single day. And sometimes I'm nursing them. So, like, I just crack this open right now. It's 9-21. I might have this until 1 o'clock. Oh, no. See, I can't. So she said it takes 20 minutes to, like, rinse that off. She's like, if you're nursing the energy drink, she's like, that's explaining to me why you keep, you keep getting all of these cavities because you're not, you're nursing it.

She's like, I'm never going to tell you to talk an energy drink. I'm not going to tell you to do that. But she's like, if you're going to nurse it, you need to like drink it, drink water. Drink it, drink water. Drink it, drink water to like help rinse the acidity out because that's really the only thing that has changed is that I got a coffee aversion whenever I was pregnant with either Rio or the twins. And like, I do drink coffee sometimes now.

But I'm just, I pretty much made the complete switch from coffee to energy drinks. It's so crazy to me because I remember when we first started podcasting, to talk about, like, basically being your own barista. Yeah, I loved coffee. So, like, you, I was drinking coffee all the time. And I never was drinking coffee. You would be so proud of me. I have not had an alani or any kind of energy drink, probably in eight or nine weeks.

Yeah. I only drink that amino energy powder that I get off of Amazon. on was it an intentional switch or it was oh it was intentional because my coffee to my coffee to energy drinks was not intentional at all oh no mine was definitely intentional because i started seeing stuff online about like mostly high school kids going to like sports practices and stuff collapsing over this intake of energy drinks and stuff like that and i was like oh shit if you're collapsing, that might give me a fucking heart attack. Well, I will say that over the last, I'll say three months, three months, give or take.

My restless leg syndrome, which I never really had except for when I was pregnant, I've been having it really bad at night when I'm trying to go to sleep. And I'm like, okay. What does that mean? Like, your legs are sleepy? No. Restless legs is like you have the urge. You constantly, you feel like you have to kick and move.

move and get up and walk and you need to go for a run because your legs are like like rearing to go or raring to go however you say it like they're just like trying to go and I'm like so I'm like literally laying in bed and I'm kicking so hard to like basically tire them out because they feel like they have the sensation it's the energy drinks like your the energy drinks are doing that to you but I don't know I don't know that for sure because I've been drinking energy drinks for like 18 months I also think it's hilarious that you switched from alonis to ghost because you share one of your ghosts with me. And if that was like the last thing that I could drink in the world, I wouldn't drink it.

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like I don't know what's going on because I don't have time like I actually did say this last night though unrelated to the Idaho 4 like I feel like I'm spreading myself so thin and nobody is getting 100% nobody's getting 50% like I feel like I am pulled in unrelated to my children like I'm not talking about my kids so if y'all are going to come from my neck don't because I'm not even referring to motherhood in terms of my work life, volunteer life, anything like that. I feel like I'm not giving anybody even 20% of me. And so with that, I'm tying that back to the Idaho four is like I haven't been able to read any of the stuff. I haven't been able to see all the TikToks. I haven't been able because I'm not able to give myself the time. And so I do feel like I would have different theories if I was like reading stuff and

watching videos myself. I just literally haven't had the time. Well, I do think that motherhood does play a part. of it because in the summertime, and I felt that this week too. It's like our last week of summer and also first day of school this week. And it does feel like, okay, I need to do this and I want to do that and I want to give him all my undivided attention, but there's still like obligations and things that need to be done. And that's like the hardest place to be. I felt like I was cracked out. No, truly. I'm like, I asked Alicia if I could keep the babies this week because we went on

vacation last week and I, you know, I hadn't seen them. He was obviously accommodating like, yeah, sure. So I have them this week and I'm just thinking, oh, it's going to be so nice to like spend time with them. And whole time, I got work right after this recording, like my, this recording ends at 1030. I have another recording that starts at 1030, like no time in between. And then I have appointments and labs and this, that, and the third. So I'm like, I'm keeping the babies and I don't even get to see them. I know, you know what we should do. And I don't know when we could find the time to do this. But we should do like, we go away somewhere and just do self-care. I would love that, actually. I haven't had my eyebrows done in 18 months.

Facials, massages. Actually, I haven't had my eyebrows done or a long time either. And I text first another day and I was like, I need to have my brows done. Yeah, I need brows, disport. I'm getting my neck. I'm getting my neck chopped off in two weeks. So I'm like sort of waiting to get Botox until after that. But she did say that my Lux and Creed tattoo might move, like, where you can't see it anymore. So I don't know what I'm going to do about that. But I'm really excited to have a snatched jaw line because, like, what's weird, when I sit

up straight, I don't really have a double chin, right? But it's the angles that I always have a double chin. Like, sometimes I have three. But did they say when you went to your consult for that? It, because I do know, I used to have a friend that had a double chin, like, absolutely beautiful girl. And she had it. And her mom had it. And they said it's like a hereditary thing. Mine is too. It's hereditary. It's just skin. Because I asked for it to be lipode. And they were like, there's no fat here. It's just skin. Oh, wow. So when you have to, when you do the surgery, it will remove it completely. Yeah. But will it come back? There's probably always a risk, but based on what she said, I'm seeing Dr. Tina Ho in Philadelphia, she said that, like, there's a chance I could need another one in 20 years. So you'll get rid of it for 20 years. Hopefully in 20 years I'll be taking a dirt nap anyway, so.

I would, you know, in 20 years, your youngest children will be 22 years old. Yeah, but, I mean, that's only 53 years. You psychopath. I know, but, like, I'm worth more to them dead than I am. So it would honestly only benefit them. You know what? Somebody recently told me that. They said, I'm not fucking with you anymore.

You're worth more dead than you are alive. Well, while we're talking about surgeries, we had a listener submission from the Facebook group, and someone said a few episodes back, you talked about the umbilical hernia surgery being the worst why was it so bad i'm getting the surgery soon and i i will say i went through the comments on that and some people said it's dependent upon um i guess how bad the hernia is and then also the method that the doctor uses to do it so when i had jackson um obviously i'm like small petite frame so the only place for him to go was literally out. And my belly button around seven months, I could tell, like, was starting to

look pretty bad. And I knew once I stopped breastfeeding, I was going to have my boobs done. And so I was like, well, while I'm already under, I'll go ahead and do the umbilical hernia surgery while I do the boobs. And so I did both of those things together. And I would not regret doing it that way or I don't regret doing it that way. I feel like the boob job was a walk in the park in comparison to the umbilical hernia surgery. Like my boob job was no, like hardly any recovery. Are you kidding?

Like it was, it was truly nothing. Also, when I had my nose done, it was truly nothing. That umbilical surgery, and I don't know if it's just like such a, um, like sensitive area of your body or if it's because it's like your abdomen or maybe like how tight they pull whatever they're pulling on the inside I had the worst scar there than anywhere else um and that surgery took a pretty extensive amount of time and I really do believe that it's just based on like how bad it was do you still have a scar not really like it's faded over time but i had a decent amount of laser on it really yeah it's so

interesting to me um because the way that people scar is so different like knock on wood i am a very good scar so like i'll do a video if anyone's interested i will literally take a video of all my surgery scars like over time they heal really well they're usually pretty flushing against my skin. Like sometimes you can't really tell. I scar very, very well. I have friends who are fair skinned like me, fair complexion like me. And they have like they, their normal everyday scar would be like a cheloid scar, like raised purple. I don't know how much truth there is to this, but I have heard that if you are susceptible to getting stretch marks, that those people scar, scar worse than people who are less susceptible to getting scars. I have also heard that stretch

marks are genetic. I've also heard that. Do you feel like that's true? Yes, because I literally look at my, like I think obviously my great grandma and my grandma are dead, but I think about my mom, my grandma, my great grandma, I scar exactly the same as well, all of them. I scar the same, stretch marks the same double chin the same everything's the same my mom didn't get any stretch marks with her four pregnancies at all did you i didn't either i had really minimal stretch marks i have no complaints truly but i will say you know outside of like that possibly being like something genetic my last way in i was tiny like i was tinier when i got pregnant than I am now, if you could imagine that.

My last weigh-in at eight-and-a-half months pregnant when I had him was 127 pounds. What? I've never been 100. I think I was 127 pounds in the sixth grade. That was my last weigh in. Like, when I went into the hospital, because I'd gone twice, because I had labored twice. So the second time I went, they did like all the weighing and stuff. and 127 pounds.

The last weigh-in with Lincoln Marshall Mariquin. I'm embarrassed. Oh, wow. Last weigh-in. This is the only one I remember because it was the highest weight I've ever been. The day I gave birth, I was 260 pounds. The day you gave birth? Yeah, but see, I don't feel like when you say, oh, well, I weigh X, Y, and,

like I don't feel like you look like you weigh that like I personally feel like your bones are heavy why do you know what I mean like some people have to have heavy bones my um I love her to death she's family to me she was like Val she said it in Spanish she was like Valley's big bones like you I could see that wait do you think Valley is going to look like you when she gets older or no? Here's the thing. Because I have always had like body dysmorphia, like always been insecure about my height and my weight, I hope that she's not built like me.

I hope that she's built more like the girls and Elijah's family because they're all like super, like they're good height, like 5'5ish or shorter, like more petite frame. I just, I don't know. There's just, I don't want her to have the same struggles as me. She's very bow-legged, though. I'll say that. She walks like, she walks, yeah, it's so funny. Oh, my God.

Wait, is both twins bow-legged? No, it's just value that's bow-legged. Oh, my God. First is Elijah and Elijah's dad molded over. Like, he doesn't look like them, but he, Elijah and his dad are both, like, very cool, calm, collected, quiet. observing the surroundings versus the same way. He's not bow-legged, though. So did you see Jessica Simpson? No, I didn't. I didn't even know that she was performing again. Yeah. So I think she came out with a new album. And I watched a couple of interviews that

on TikTok. And remember me telling you way back when when we talked about like interactions with celebrities and not having a pleasant experience. And she was my one. Yes. Um, okay. So Jordan Cray, I think he must be like obsessed with Jessica Simpson because I saw him doing like the coverage. I think he was in, I think it might have been Times Square where she was performing. And, um, Kristen had sent me a video where the back of Jessica Simpson's dress was like soaking wet like in the butt area. And apparently she, she pied herself on stage and there's articles now online about it and it says that like her rep's not responding to it could it could it have been sweat like could she have been i mean it's

fucking hot as balls outside like could it have just been sweat i mean i don't think a coochier sweat that bad like this was like soaking wet like soaking wet can can we get pictures um can So Kristen goes, no, I think she said she literally peed. But I think it would be funnier if she would have been like, hey, I need to pause the show for a minute to go pee. And she would have just like stopped the show and went pee. That would have been funnier and created a better like was. I just don't know that like peeing yourself on stage was like the mood. I know, but it's like you're in a performance in time square.

and you are promoting a new album and all of a sudden you have the urge to pee like I'm probably pissing myself I know you wouldn't I know you would be like I've got a shit or I've got to pee I would run off I would be like hold up I got a poop real quick and I would run for my for my life like literally run for my life

wait do you ever have the urge Like, you just get the urge to pee? I don't have peeing problems the same way I have pooping problems. Have you had a poop problem lately? No. And in fact, the opposite, I haven't been able to poop regularly. So I'm like, I just know that my next poop accident, my next poop incident, is going to be really bad. Like, I won't be able to stop it.

It's all hung up in the gate. 1,000%. Kristen said it's going to be. in Virginia, and I'm so scared. We leave for Virginia on Sunday, and I'm like... Oh, my God. Coffee Convo's podcast is brought to you by Progressive Insurance. You chose to hit play on this podcast today, smart choice.

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Wayfair, every style, every home. No way. I took Jackson puttutting the other day. They have like this put-putt thing at our local bowling alley. So sometimes I take him there, sometimes Will takes him there. He's kind of gotten into golf, and I really love that. I don't know anybody else who's listening to this, who is a parent of one kid, but he does really well with, like, individual sports. And I don't know if that's, like, an only kid thing.

I don't know. I mean, he does well at basketball, too. Like, he's actually really good at basketball, but I just feel like he kind of thrives in um just like solo just running solo um but i take him to this place and i have the urge to go pee so i'm like oh like gotta go i run into the bathroom and someone's taking a massive shit in the ladies bathroom and i didn't want to judge them but at the same time i'm like i have never taken a shit in a public bathroom in my life oh see i'm going like I'm going

I'm going to the bathroom I don't care where I am I am just thankful to be in the bathroom you know what I mean like I'm thankful that I made it to a bathroom I'm thankful I don't care

if it's Wawa I don't care if it's Royal Farms I don't care if it's Walmart I don't care I actually really don't shit in Walmart there's never really been a time that I've been like

oh I have to go to the bathroom at Walmart why is Walmart sticking out I actually am not a super like Walmart like I try not to go into Walmart

if I don't have to if I'm in Target, I'll go in Target. There is studies. Like there are real life studies done that certain stores make people go to the bathroom. Wait, when were you doing this research and why do you know this? Because it felt like every time I went into Target, I had to poop. And I was like, what is going on? And there was...

Well, I don't drink coffee like that anymore, but it could have been the Starbucks. So there is a study. that says, like, certain people will even have, like, a morning routine to, like, walk around Dick's Sporting Goods because Dick Sporting Goods gets them going. Wait, can you provide me these studies? Hold on. Let me get them. Hold on.

My Google, we were just talking about Brian Coburger's search history and, like, what that did to him and narrowed him down as a suspect. If anyone, if Google gets a peanut and they're like, this happened in Dover, Delaware, and Kale is a possible suspect. My search history is going to incriminate me, but not for a crime. It's going to be unhinged Google searches. Yes, some people experience a sudden urge to poop

or a bowel movement when visiting certain stores. This phenomenon sometimes referred to as the Mariko Ayoko Ayoki Mariko Ayoki phenomenon. In the context of bookstores has been discussed in social media and by some medical professionals. While not a medically recognized condition, several theories attempt to explain this urge.

Sensory stimuli, psychological factors, posture and movement, conditioned response, social anxiety. It's not just bookstores. While bookstores are often cited, the phenomenon can happen at a variety of stores, including stores like Macy's and hardware stores like close. It's a real thing.

The widespread online discussion of this urge suggests that it's a common experience, even if not widely studied by scientists. So, you know, never in my life have I gone into Dick Sporting Goods and been looking at all the free people shit that I should not be buying and being like, yeah, I just got so excited about this shit that I need to take a shit. I'm really disappointed because my Dick Sporting Goods doesn't have free people movement and I love free people and it doesn't have it. That's unfortunate. Kristen said that we used to talk about fart walks like after dinner and I forgot that we, We did that. Do you remember us talking about that? No, I've never heard of this in my life.

Yeah, apparently we talked about it. And I do, I do remember people saying that they either walked like before dinner or after dinner and what was better. And they called them like fart walks. I have no, I have no recollection of this. I don't know if this happened or not. This feels like farting in the closet, gaslighting. Okay. Let me tell you, did I ever tell you. so Lux has a story like you about me farting in the closet, which you finally admitted was you gaslighting me. And I knew all along, but then I was like, maybe I'm crazy. Like, maybe I really did do this. Like truly understand how people confess to crimes they didn't commit because they just gaslight the fuck out of you. Every chance that Lux gets, he tells this story that that coconut fell out my butt. And I'm like, he was like, remember that time when we were in the shower and the coconut

fell out your butt and you smashed it down the drain? And I'm like, what the fuck are you talking about? I don't know. I don't know. He says it's a coconut. So he brought it up while we were driving with somebody in the car. He brings it up. And I just start laughing and I go, Lux, you're gaslighting me.

And he's like, I'm not. I'm not gaslighting you. I don't know where this came from And I think of you every time Because I'm like, this is her kid Like Lux is Lindsay's kid I don't know what coconut fell out my butt And I smashed down the drain

Like that did not happen It was a small It was a rolling turd No, I really think Just based off of the fact Of the boys, I don't know which one of the boys It was, what's that What's that hairy thing jiggling?

that one was luxe Creed asked me about my nipples what are those pink things yeah I I'm starting to believe that you possibly did let out like a rolling turd no I swear I didn't

because I would tell you if I did like I would be like oh and I shit in the shower like I would I would absolutely call myself out like I really really would okay I need to tell you about like this psychological disorder that I have what is it okay so when you're kids like make you things at school do you like hold on to them so you can cherish them but like

you don't use them for whatever it is that they're supposed to be used for like what do you mean okay so for example when will and i divorced there were certain things that he got that are now in his office that i feel like kind of belong to me but they don't okay so every time i go to his house and i'm left unattended i think about theft wait same no i've literally gone through this i completely i completely understand there are things that i specifically took like okay a pot holder for example i think it's called like art to remember okay and you can go on like from their art from that year of school you can go on this website and like make items with their art on it so like I have a pot holder.

Yeah, or a mug or like anything like that. Yeah, I've definitely seen them. Okay, so I was doing a little organizing and I found this little keychain and it looks like a little piece of paper. And on it it says, dear mom, I love you. You're a good mom. Love Jackson. My heart.

This is a keychain. I'm supposed to be using this as a keychain. I look at it. I don't use the keychain because I don't want to get scraped up. Fair. And I'm like, I might not ever have another one of these again in my whole life. I wonder if there is like, you know how there's like those mug tree holders that you can get on like Etsy and stuff? I wonder because keychains are like such a niche thing.

I'm also weird about keychains. Like outside of like your actual keys, where would you put it? keychain that like wouldn't get disturbed but the new trend right now is bag charms yes could you put it on a bag charm or what would it take for you to replicate that so you could use it but also like is there like a decorative display situation that you could put it on i don't know because then i feel like you start getting into an area of like tacky-wacky you know yeah someone came in and just saw all of Jackson stuff like in a in a thing that looks like a shrine what the fuck is that oh but you're also not using it no I don't use it but somebody gifted this to me a girlfriend in mine

gifted this gifted this to me because she's like this reminds me of you like it reminded me of you and I bought it for you but like I keep it on my desk but like I think this is like if it's like an ornament is my guess and then this is like if you use it as a keychain but like and it's the actual Stanley brand like it has like the little Yeah, it's like A unicorn thing And I just keep it here Or like

I don't know what I'm supposed I don't want to like fuck it up You know what I mean Like somebody thought of me And bought that You know what I mean? I'm like I don't want it to get scraped up Like that's definitely more important

But that has to be some type of like psychological Issue Have you ever been into anybody's house That has shit around the house That looks like a fucking shrine Yes I have actually. I literally have. Do you not think that's the weirdest thing ever? Well, I don't know if you missed it this part on One Night in Idaho, but people are making Brian Coburger shrines, like mentally ill

women obsessed with Brian Coburger. I just don't know how anybody in their right mind could be obsessed with an admitted killer. I don't know how anyone in their right mind could be obsessed with a person. Like, I use the word obsessed in, like, a joking, like, dramatic way. Like, oh, my God, I'm so obsessed with him or, like, oh, my God, I'm so obsessed with her. But I don't have any shrines. Like, I don't have any, like, it's not like that. It's, like, more like, oh, I just love you so much.

But, like, I'm never going to have, like, a shrine. Like, that's weird. Wait. Okay, can we go back to keychanged for a second? Yes. Are your kids into Lubbubo's? Listen, they have not mentioned. Labibos to me, but my friend Tony texted me and was like, I'm getting all these duplicates

of Labibu's. Like, do you want them? And like, low key, I just want them. I just want to say that I have them. Yeah, but are you going to use them? No. People are using them as like bag terms. Yeah. Like on their handbag. Elliot made me some bag charms. I'm really excited to use them, actually. I just don't know if I could put something that that literally looks like it's out of a horror film on a Louis Vuitton. Wait, have you seen the trend? It's on TikTok and I know you're not a TikTok girly, but LL Bean tote bags with like phrases on them that are like your name. Have you seen this trend? No, I have not seen it. Okay, hold on. Hang tight. This is, this is important this is important okay so the trend is these l l bean customizable tote bags and i got

the largest one because i have so many fucking kids um and then you put your name in like a cool like this one says cal in it instead of killing it oh yeah and then my other one says kale yeah instead of hell yeah and then my friend emily got one that says emvp MVP MVP So, like, that's, like, the trend or whatever. And then you could put the bag charms on one of these bags instead of a Louis Vuitton or, like, a Gucci bag. You could put it on, like, a tote. So, like that, you're going to put the Lubu. Yeah.

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I was talking to Kristen about it, and I saw this one video on TikTok, and it said that depending upon, like, where it was shipped from, people were getting Labibu's that had, like, hidden nanny cams in them, and now people are, like, cutting them apart to see if their Lubu-Boo has a hidden nanny cam. Do you still have the extra la-bo-bo-bo-boo? How do you even spell that? La-B-U-U. But they're hard to find real ones.

I know. Like, my gas station had some. What? Yeah, like, when we went to go and get worms the other day, fucking crawlers. I saw that on your story and I was like, bleh. Yeah, oh yeah.

Don't even get me started, but we went to the gas station to get crawlers and there were Labuboos that were sitting like in the front, you know, like where you check out. Where they feel? Look, Mom, there's Labibos. I'm sure they're not.

Well, Tony told me they're hard to get or whatever. They're hard to come by. Are they like super expensive? But like, why are they making off knockoff Labuboos? Um, same reason they make knock off everything. I'll tell you what I accidentally fucking did. Let me tell you what I accidentally fucking did.

Hold on. This is important. Y'all know I love free people so much. I love fucking free people, right? We're going to talk about dupes for a second. Buy this loungeware set from free people. Okay. That's very cute.

just to chill in, go to the beach, bathing suit, cover up, whatever. Not remembering that I bought that, you brought up, why do they make fake looboos? Accidentally, bought the exact same thing on Amazon, did not realize until this came in. And when I tell you, it is fucking identical to this from free people that I spent entirely too much money on only to fucking $88 for this set. I probably paid 20 for this Amazon one. So the same reason they make dupes for everything. Why are people getting upset about Amazon duplicating the stuff for less? Well, I think that there is like, I don't know if it's copyright or trademark or

it's like if you make something that is a direct knockoff, I think that that's like intellectual property or like design or whatever, I don't know how brands get around basically replicating the exact same item. Like, I don't know how they do it. I don't know how it's legal for some, but like a fake Louis Vuitton, I think is not allowed. Yeah, it's not. But you can make fake, you can make dupes of clothing and things. Like, I don't know what the rules. Like, I don't understand it. But also, if these big name brands don't want other people to make more affordable options. Here's an idea. Well, no, I was going to say, don't lower your price point, but if you have the funds to create

a brand, I'll use free people, for example, because I love free people. They're so fucking expensive. Why not make another brand under the same company with a different name for a lower price point? And then you are the dupe. You are, you are double dipping because you're doing the actual item. And then you're creating a replica for a lower price point, but you're making the money, right? Like, if this was made by free people and sold on Amazon, they're double dipping, right? Because look at people like me who accidentally just bought this, but bought the real thing, too. Or I can recommend, oh, here's the dupe. And it's still your company. But nobody has to know. But it's kind of like the mentality of Louis Vuitton. I have heard that you,

will never get a Louis Vuitton on sale and that anything that they have that's like left they will not mark it down. They take it to a burn yard. A burn yard? Yeah. Like they take it, I've been told this for like years that they take those bags to a burn yard and burn them. Okay, actually, and I'm not going to say who because you might listen to this podcast and I love you so much. This is not a shot at you. I know it's your job. So please don't take it that way. A friend of mine. is a man she has a management role somewhere at a children's store here locally and I get on her story and I see her cutting the same outfit over and over and over and she's like it's I hate destroying these blah blah blah blah blah I messaged her and I was like wait why are you

doing that and she was like um we have to destroy we have to destroy these if they don't meet like our company's standards of quality or like something along those lines where it's like if it didn't live up to the expectations. But for me, that just feels like such a waste. Like wouldn't you want to donate them to a homeless shelter? Kristen said, Sephora makes you do that with products. Products so people can't dumpster dive. Okay.

But here's the thing. Products are a little bit more tricky because you can have people like contaminate them, tamper with them, you know, like that gets a little tricky. but like children's clothing or even adult clothing like I understand that it doesn't it's not living up to the quality of the brand allegedly right but why not donate it to a like a homeless shelter or something like I just feel like they're or like I just doesn't make sense that that is destroying it is a better option than donating it like Louis Vuitton for example if they are sending bags because like the stitching is off or whatever so they send it to

a burn yard. I get they're trying to protect the integrity of the company so they don't want people walking around with that. That's an authentic Louis Vuitton. But it's like it just feels very wasteful. I would buy a Louis Vuitton bag with improper stitching. I would. I would too. So I don't know. Like it just doesn't make sense to me. It doesn't. And completely unrelated news, did you see this was news out of Tennessee and it says doctors notes no longer excuse for absences in a Tennessee school district what yeah it says that the school system says the policy is aimed at improving the district's attendance rate but many parents are against it um between the strep throat and the flu this person that's commenting says I can say that my child missed 17 days

It says if her daughter is absent for even half of that time this coming school year, it will now result in a referral to the county's juvenile court for truancy. It's tricky. This whole situation is tricky because obviously the flu, you should go to the doctor, strep throat, you have to get on antibiotics. Those ones should absolutely count. I don't understand, like, if you keep your child home because they have a fever for 24 hours or 48 hours, right? You keep your child home. I'm not necessarily bringing my kid to the doctor

for that until it starts, like day three, if you still have a fever, I'll take you to the doctor because it's probably more serious. What do you do in situations like that? So now you have an actual illness, right? Like the flu, strep throat, something like that. The doctor's note doesn't count. But then, so do you want them to stay in school then while they're sick like that? Like I don't, same for a fever. Like, okay, they might have a fever for 48 hours. you want them to go to school with a fever then it's because i think um doctors notes come so easy now like i know that in my situation i could text the pediatrician and if jackson's home with a fever like i can call the pediatrician's office and they will write a doctor's like excuse

for his absence so i'm wondering if it's situations like that and trying to get a hold of people using doctor's notes as excuses to, like, just not go to school. But I feel like in a case of serious illness, for example, when I was in sixth grade, only time I've ever had strep throat, I was out of school for two weeks because the antibiotics weren't working. And so I was running fever and I had strep. That's contagious. You should not be going into a school with that many students and teachers spreading that shit. So now truancy is going to get involved because if I missed two weeks of school in sixth grade, that's 10 days off the bat from one sickness. Yeah. No, it literally doesn't make. I never thought about asking the pediatrician to write a doctor's

note for like if Lux had a fever, Creed's going to kindergarten now. So like I never thought to do, I didn't even know if I don't even know if my doctor my pediatrician would do that. I don't think they would. I think if they don't see them, I don't think they would. It says in this, it says that they will start petitioning the courts and they're going to take control of the attendance of their students. You can bring all the doctor's notes that you want, but it will be unexcused. It says there will be some exemptions for verified chronic illnesses and several other things. and that was according to the district official. It says, if you have the sniffles, and this isn't a quote,

if you have the sniffles, that is fine. You're going to have them when you go to work one day. We all have gone to work sick, hurt, and beat up. I'm sorry, but I allow my child to take three mental health days a year. Okay. So Lux, last year, maybe the year before, people shouldn't be going to work sick to infect everyone they are working with. last year or the year before, Lux was saying, like, my stomach hurts, my stomach hurts, my stomach hurts, but like mostly acting fine. And then a little bit towards the end of basketball practice, he was literally projectile vomiting.

If my son says that his stomach hurts in the morning before school to the point where I'm like, hmm, this could, he could throw up. I'm not sending him to school because one, I don't want him like to throw up at school in front of everyone, have to do. change his clothes. Now the teacher has to start her work day. Now he's infecting other children, but I'm not taking him to the doctor right away. So, like, sometimes there's a 24-hour bug. Sometimes there's a 48-hour bug. I'm going to wait until the second or third day unless there are symptoms that are, like, really bad. I don't like that. And I think that that's not going to last very long. At least I hope it doesn't. In fact, my pediatrician has said many of times, unless your child's running a fever for over 48 hours, that is not a reason to go to the doctor. Exactly.

And on that note, we have foul play. Okay, ladies, I've got a good one for you. Years ago, when I first met the father of my son, I couldn't figure out why people kept calling him poop pack. Like, Tupac, but... Well, his cousin spilled the beans one day, and boy, were there some nasty beans? The story goes, Brandon, that's my baby daddy, is she. trying to get with a new girl. They're having dinner at her house one night. And after dinner, while the girl is doing the dishes, Brandon decides it's an okay time to sneak off to the bathroom

to poop. After pooping, he tries to flush. Nope, doesn't go down. With no plunger in sight and not wanting to flutch a bunch of times, he does the unthinkable. He reaches in the toilet, fishes out the turd. His original plan was to toss it out of the bathroom window, but with the turd in hand, the window not budging, he's in a real pickle now. He wrapped the turd in toilet paper and puts it in his pocket. Now, as calmly as he could with a turd in his pocket, he walks back out to the kitchen. His new plan is to attempt to throw the poop out in the yard while she isn't looking. Well, I guess that plan didn't work out so well. The girl is waiting at the kitchen table for him and looks to be ready to get it on. He does everything to avoid her,

and I think she knew something was weird by this point. Did I mention that home girl is pregnant, not with his, so you know she was smelling something nasty. He manages to avoid being caught with a turd in pocket and leave the house. Driving down the road, he tosses the toilet paper covered poop out the window a few blocks. So the same cousin that tells me the story happens to be friends with the pregnant girl and tells her she said she knew something was wrong. And as soon as she smelt him, she thought maybe he had an accident. She wanted nothing to do with anything that was about to happen. After the dinner date, neither of the two ever spoke again. Brandon was given the best, worst nickname anyone could get. Hope you ladies cringe at the story as much as I did. I

you, ladies so much. And listening to you every week is always the highlight of my week. First of all, thank you for listening to us every week and being the highlight. We are not the highlight of each other's week. Thanks a lot. Oh, my God. Why is my camel? Also, why is it so weird? Like, when you start dating someone, like, at what point do you identify that you're taking shit? Like, when does that come into play? I think it depends on the person.

Like I know someone who literally like first day in was like, this is me, take me or leave it. Like I will have to poop. I will have a pimple on my face. Like this is what it like sleeping butt naked on day one. Like this is who I am very up front and center. And then there's people like me who won't ever shit around you for 10 years. Yeah.

Remember when I said that I had never like pooped in front of will our entire time being together? yes and that was like 12 or 13 years yes like i swear to you that is not an exaggeration or a lie no i believe you it's just something that i don't feel comfortable with it just like feels nasty to me even though i know we all do it what's weird is that like elijah has helped me clean up my poop like when i poop myself but like in other relationships could never even poop around them near them anything I also, like, want to know who's out here having sex and they've, like, taken a shit and then not showered before they're having sex because I feel like a lot of people do that. Probably mostly men.

Like, would you be disgusted if you found out that you fucked someone and they had just taken a shit? I did it one time and I'll never do it. It felt gross. Like, you did it because you shit? Like I had sex after I pooped and I was like, this is nasty. Yeah, it just feels like we should not be doing that. Yeah. Yeah, for sure.

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