Coffee Convos with Kail Lowry and Lindsie Chrisley - Intrusive Thoughts

Episode Date: September 24, 2026

CC497: In this NYC edition of Coffee Convos, Kail and Lindsie dive into the chaotic world of intrusive thoughts. Kail’s quick, passing impulses versus Lindsie's detailed, movie-level intruder escape plans. Kail also has some revelations about her hyper-fixations that include but are not limited to crystals, custom beads, Labubus and $1,000 pottery mugs. Are the collections healing the inner child or do they stem from ADHD, OCD?Plus, practical strategies for getting kids to clean up their messes! Kail also shares her future home plans to ensure Elliot always has a place to call his own as he approaches college age.Send in your small-town drama, HOA sagas, diner/local business chaos, and multi-generational family feuds, to [e-mail] for our Small Town Gossip segment! For full videos head to Youtube.com/@KailandtheChaosThank you for checking out our sponsors!Shopify: Start your free trial today at Shopify.com/coffee!RoBody: Find out if you’re covered for free at ro.com/coffeeconvosSee Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

I hate gift giving and receiving. Receiving gifts is so weird. What do you say thank you? This is coffee convoes with Kail Lowry and Lindsay Crissly. I really want you to be in your feels, Kail. That does not interest me whatsoever. I feel very attacked by you. A spirited discussion about motherhood, friendship, family, and life in the public eye.

I'm just not with the fakery anymore. There's a fakery bakery around here. Here's Kail and Lindsay. Hello everyone. Hello everybody from New York City. We should just wear love mics from now on. Like the ones right here? Yeah.

That's what I wore. And we can go out on the town. And we can go do live podcasts from outside, trying food in New York City. I don't think that people would like it, though. Because it's too loud? Yeah. What if we did it as like a funsy little Patreon exclusive? We would be told that our audio sucked.

Okay. Okay. How was your bagel this morning? It was not good. trying not to complain, but it is very difficult when I get an everything bagel and it tastes like I'm eating salt straight out of the caves. So I used to be in everything bagel girly with regular toasted with regular cream cheese. Toasted. Oh, you don't toast?

No. Is that like a south thing versus a north thing? Um. I have my toasted. I don't. Well, you're from the south. Florida is not the south. She's from Florida.

I thought you were from North Carolina. Florida is not the South. Oh. Most people would argue that Florida is the South, though. Okay. Well, is Ohio the Midwest? In my opinion, yes. Okay.

Why you don't think it is? It's not that I don't think it is. I just like never realized, I guess, that it was the Midwest. Okay. Do you think Texas is the South? That one's tricky. I would say it depends where you live in Texas because some of it is the Midwest. I think most.

of Texas is the Midwest. So I think, but they'll argue that it's the South. Yeah. So hard to say. And also, I probably shouldn't be the judge of that. Not great at geography. I also failed geography two times when I was in high school. Had to go to summer school.

Oh, yeah. You did tell me that. I've never been to summer school, but also Susie wasn't paying for it if I had to. Oh, my God. Wait, can we talk about your version of intrusive thoughts and the conversation that we were in last night? My intrusive thoughts are surrounded by abandonment and whether or not I can do one little thing and Ike will break up with me.

That is not your only intrusive thought. Oh, and then driving into the pond. Those are my two. Driving into the pond is absolutely crazy. Like sure I do this? So last night. But then I don't do it. Last night, Ike and I were talking about our version of intrusive thoughts and they were

very similar. And Kales was very awesome. opposite of ours. The way that Ike and Lindsay's intrusive thoughts go down to the little tiniest detail. And mine are just like, hmm, sure I jump out this window? Boop. Like that's the extent of it. That's the extent of or like, oh, he, I forgot to flush the toilet at 2 a.m.

He's for sure breaking up with me. Those are my intrusive thoughts. Wait, like if you pee, you think that he's going to break up with you? That was just an, like I'm trying to think of an example, right? Like if he told me to go to the store and I forgot the broccoli, oh, fuck, now he's going to break up with me. Like, that's my intrusive thought or literally, oh, just go. Let me just see if I would survive this fall. But I don't do it.

That is insane. And the fact that you have intrusive thoughts like that in your relationship and you have seven kids is also crazy to me. Like I forgot to flush the toilet or I forgot to get the broccoli. So he's going to break up with me. What about the seven kids? My seven kids, my intrusive thought there is, am I raising them to be, you know, I do think about this a lot. I don't know if it's considered, like, I don't know if it's like a mom thing or if it is

considered a intrusive thought is like, am I raising them to be good, hardworking, productive members of society, right? Like happy, healthy children as adults. That I think about probably more than any other thing. I don't know if that's an intrusive thought or if moms just think that way. I think it's moms just think that way. That's what my thought was. Wait, so walk the listeners through mine and Ike's intrusive thoughts.

Okay. So I'm concerned about them and they both need to be medicated because they're talking about for me, I was telling Lindsay and Ike had never been to the Middletown House, you didn't go to the Middletown House either, right? No. So that one was, I liked that it had a staircase on one side of the house and a staircase on the other side of the house because to me if I was to think about an intruder, I can escape going up one stairs and down the other, right? Lindsay's was like, no, because you only want one way up

to that you can hide. One way up and one way down. But then you get blocked in the hallway by that person. So for me, I'm like, that doesn't make any sense. But Lindsay and I go down to the last fucking detail of how they are going to escape where the intruder is coming from, what their escape route is. if they are going to shoot to injure, shoot to kill, shoot at all. If there's going to be a fire in this building, if there's a fire in this building, how are we going to get in and out? Who's going to save who? It was like down to, like, the way that that intrusive thought is almost like you could

have done an entire podcast on that because my intrusive thought is jump off this bridge. Do I survive? Yes or no. Like, that's my intrusive thought. That's where it starts and ends. think about jumping off the bridge in the first place. So there is no thought.

So am I just suicidal? Kiel, I don't think you can say that. Oh. Well, I'm not. Like, I'm not suicidal. I know, but I'm just like, okay, I don't think about things that I know that are never going to happen. Like, I'm never going to drive a car into the guardrail, like on purpose.

Or I'm never going to just be like, poop. or that window, for example, like, let me jump out that window and like what's going to happen. There are none of those thoughts because I never thought about the window in the first place. This is so fast. Like, this makes me feel like I literally am certifiably insane. I mean, I would agree. Oh. I would, I would tend.

Lindsay, I don't think you can say that. I would tend to agree. I feel like what Ike and I were walking through last night and these intrusive thoughts were situational of things that could actually happen. For sure. That part is normal. Like you, it's great to be a preparer.

They are also doomsday preppers. Like I, Ike and Lindsay participate in doomsday prepping and I don't want to survive something like that. So I don't participate. But it is fascinating to me. I feel like you're wrong, though,

because let's say, what was that movie that was on Netflix? that you and I watch, like, let me look it up, because that's going to drive me nuts. I need to phone a friend, actually. Can I phone a friend here? For what? I am your friend. Yeah, you are my friend.

I need to phone another friend because I feel like I'm insane now, so. BRB. Wait, is it Becky? Yeah. Are you okay? Well, no, but so question, do you have intrusive thoughts ever? Yeah, for sure. Okay.

When you have intrusive thoughts, are they like, um, oh, I'm going to drive this car into the pond real quick and then they go away? Yeah. Like put your hand on a really hot stove to see what happened. Okay, same. So that's what I'm describing. But the way that Ike and Lindsay are describing their intrusive thoughts are full-blown movie scenarios where they're thinking down to the last fucking detail.

And I'm like, oh, like if I jump out this fourth story window, like, will I survive? But I'm not going to do it. You know what I mean? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay. I'm aligned with you unless I'm in public, I think, about, like, being in a terrorist situation. Correct. Same.

Okay. I just wanted to make sure. We'll give for our example. Lindsay and Ike are thinking about, picture my Middletown house. There's two staircases. That's their worst nightmare. There's two, there's a one, there's two ways up. You don't know who's going to get you.

How are they going to get out? Well, what if there's a fire? What door will they escape out of? Where will they hide if there's an intruder? Are they going to hide? Are they going to wait for the intruder to come in? Are they going to shoot to injure? Are they going to shoot to kill?

Are they going to do this? Are they going to do? I, oh, okay. Hey, Alex. All right. Bye, guys. She's also recording. Wait, hold on, hold on.

Alex. What you're describing is how my intrusive thoughts. Thank you. I feel so seeing. Somebody breaks in the house. How am I going to save the baby, get to the gun? What if Derek doesn't wake up? What window would I go out?

Do I need to put a gun somewhere else? All those. Oh, say. Okay. So, we're all mentally ill. Got it. Thank you guys. Have a good good recording. So they're both normal. Well, maybe not normal. Maybe common. I would love to know people who are listening, like, which side of the fence do you fall on on this? So the movie was on Netflix. Kiel claimed she didn't watch it, but she did. It's a sci-fi thriller, which I don't really like sci-fi. I hate sci-fi. But I was like, you know what? This. seems popular. I'm going to watch it. It's called The Last House, a family of four that is sealed inside inside their home with no way out. It's a mysterious global disaster looming

threat traps them inside. This was an insane movie and you just got to give it a minute, right? And once you, once you give it a minute, you want to keep watching to see what happens. Like if you were ever in that situation, could you survive it? I had no interest at the point that I realized that how fake it was, I was no longer interested. Why was it fake? Lindsay, he was drilling through the door and it was regenerating, like a piece of wood was regenerating. At that point, I said, this is not for me.

When I have intrusive thoughts, I'm thinking of real life stuff. We are too, like an intruder. But you just said sci-fi. I understand it's a sci-fi thriller. Like, I get that. But is there a world where, like, what if we're? we did like get locked into our house. Let's think like, good. I belong there. I understand. But like you can't get back out and you can't go grocery shopping. I don't want to do those things.

But how are you going to eat? How are you going to eat? Somebody else will figure that out for me or I will die because I do not want to fight through that. So that's why the man in that movie was doing everything. He was making the little pulley system to go up into the chimney and it was going outside the house. I will sacrifice my house. I do not want to participate. If there was a real life everyday apocalypse, like the walking fucking dead, take me out. I don't want to survive that. That's a lot of fucking work and little reward. So when I was married, Will used to watch the Walking Dead religiously, and he used to swear

that that was going to happen to us. Like, it was going to be a real life, the Walking Dead. This is around the same time when he started the Doomsday Prepping. 2012 really sticks out in my mind for Doomsday. prepping, end of the world, Spencer Pratt and his crystals. Like that was a thing. Kailen Lowry and her crystals. I love my crystals.

They're still in my office on display, right? In my glass case. Remember when you got so pissed off that you gifted me a crystal and I told you that I let somebody touch it? Yeah, because why would you do that? And then you got into this whole long, drawn out thing about how this energy was going to transfer and spoiled everything. Yes.

And when I, when Ike and I first got together, I put crystals in the sheep. where are they today? He doesn't know. So he got rid of the old, he got rid of the crystals. I have a confession. You got rid of yours too, didn't you? I threw them away.

Were you mad at me? No, I wasn't mad at you. I'm just like, why? Okay, anybody who's into crystals, like don't take offense to this. I just, it's kind of like my lack of respect for art. Like, I like abstract art, but like I just,

not that like I don't think it's cool but I just don't respect art really and I feel the same way about crystals like I have zero respect they're rocks they're not they're from the earth and we are also part of the earth aren't rocks from the earth yeah but they're different why because you said so and see don't piss me off right now on this fine Tuesday okay I'm rage fading I've worked really hard to get here all right y'all let's take a quick break to talk about because we get so many messages talking about GLP-1s. And a lot of people just assume that GLP-1s cost a fortune. And that assumption keeps them from even looking into a treatment.

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you qualify. That's RO.com.co.comboes to get started on Roe. For side effects of GLP1 medications, including box warning, go to row.com slash safety. Row.com slash safety. Wait, so you still have the entire crystal collection. Yes. remember when you were spending like god ungodly amounts of money on these crystals yes kale goes from fixation to fixation and it's like a really weird thing that she does so it's weird i thought it was i thought everybody did it to the capacity that you do it i don't think so because it was like the crystal era and then i can't remember exactly what came after the crystal era the only thing that sticks out in my mind was like the crystals and then you went to the little boo-boos i also went to the little boo-boos i also went to beads. I never actually did the beads. Beads. What do you mean? Like I was going to like make bracelets and bag charms. Oh I did do the oh and then Nitos yeah I think this is like a hyper fixation. So yes it is a hyper fixation I've been doing it my whole life and did not realize I get like in these collection it has to be a collection and I might never do anything with it but I have to do it. I have to

have it. I think it's two things. It's layered. Okay. Like one, I think it's, I'm able to do it. And it's a hyperfixation that I can't help. I like just become like obsessive over it. But I think the other side of it, and this is what I was telling you last night, I can't ever come for a Disney adult anymore because I understand it in a different way now that I have recognized my own hyperfixations is like a lot of the hyperfixations that I have are very childish. So, and I say that in a way that is like I'm healing my inner child. So these little things. It's like you couldn't have them before and now you can. Like the way that when we have covered all of the Lisa Frank stuff and being friends with Jess who was affected by Lisa Frank and did the documentary about Lisa Frank, the way that that pains

me on a different level because I never had the Lisa Frank stuff as a kid and I have bought Lisa Frank stuff for my daughter simply because I couldn't have it and now it's reavailable and like resurfacing is like it's like not healthy right and especially if we're going to be supporting someone like Lisa Frank is like but the way that it pained me because I couldn't have it as a kid and I can't I shouldn't give it to my like it's not healthy it's almost like an obsessive compulsive thing you think it's like OCD oh no doubt like I think it's it's hyper fixations like from 80 stem from ADHD it's also like childhood neglect but I also think it's very obsessive compulsive because

then once it's done, then it's done. And I never look back. Okay. So with the crystals, are you still collecting them or are you just like let it rest and you just have the ones that you have? I have the ones that I have. I don't buy more. Okay. And then with the Labububus, you obsessively purchased every Labibu that you could get your hands on. Where are the Labubu's? On my bookshelf. They just sit there. Are you ever planning on getting rid of them? possibly yes getting rid of them but I will say I had so many laboob this is insane of me like truly not normal I bought so many Labubu's that I was buying these big mystery boxes like the boxes of the individual boxes and I had two unopened huge boxes in my closet that yesterday Rebecca and her

husband and her kids came over to the house and we were doing some stuff at my house and I finally let the kids open those. those two boxes because they were sitting there for probably six or eight months unopened. And I feel like that's not normal. Like I recognize that. Jackson said that Labuboos were the craziest thing that he's ever seen in his entire life and he never wanted one, which I think is really, really crazy because he's also a collector of things.

Like he wants all of the things. So like every baseball card even get his hands on basketball cards, sports memorabilia, stuff like that. he is obsessive over that kind of stuff. And he used to be obsessive over stuffed animals. So he would get on like Garfield. Remember when he was on Garfield? Yes.

He wanted every stuffed animal or thing that he could get that was Garfield. I have never been like that in my life. I'm like if I just have like one of them, I'm fine. Really? But I get like that with clothes. So for example, like this sweatsuit from Nike, I told you I bought it at Dix. When I go home, I will probably buy two or three. more colors.

Yeah, but I feel like that makes sense because that's like practical. And it's like usable. The things that I end up getting obsessed with are not practical. They're not really usable. They're not. And I don't like. So yesterday it really like when you were talking about Disney, really I was like, I have no right to talk about anybody's childhood.

Like Ike literally said to me the other day, he said, whatever happened to your beads? Like what is going on with this? And then I realized how fucking childish it is. So like what do I do about it? Yeah, but I feel like that was a trend. The bag charms? Yeah, the bag terms. They're still kind of, I also get all of these ideas and think that like Elliot and me are going to do them because I need to find things that him and I connect on.

And we, him, me and Creed ended up, we did do beads one night. I think you, I think Ike was in South Carolina. So we did beads one night, but they, like I spent too much money on them. Like I could open a business with how much stuff I bought. Where did you buy this stuff? Everywhere. Like stores? Stores online, Amazon.

Why didn't you just buy like one kit? I don't know. That's what I'm saying. See. Are there meds for OCD or just for whatever else I have? I think that there's got to be. I mean, there's a med for everything else. But I think the OCD, if it is OCD,

I feel like it stemmed from childhood trauma, and so the trauma should probably be what's corrected because I think that would naturally correct the OCD. I would agree. But unfortunately, now that I'm having this revelation, I won't meet with my psychiatrist until next month because I meet with him once a month. Okay.

Common medications for OCD. Oh, okay, perfect. So if I just continue to take my Prozac regularly, it should help. OCD sometimes requires higher doses and a longer trial of an SSRI. So I'm going to have to tell because that's one thing that I did not. I've never told him about like this obsessive. No, because I didn't realize it was a problem until the Lubu Boo's.

Okay. So since we're on this topic, I think that we should host like a small like little pop up like arts and crafts, but like take it back to like the 90s, right? Like remember those like little tiny beads. that had the little things that you put them on and they had the prickly things that stuck up and then you use the iron to. Yes. They melt it.

You like melt it into like a picture. Yeah. And like you could put a magnet on the back and stick it on your refrigerator. Or the beaded animals. The beaded animals. As back charms. Okay. Here's the thing though.

If we end up doing a pop up like a coffee combos pop up somewhere, we're not purchasing anything because we need to see what inventory I currently have and we'll use that. because otherwise. I mean, how much stuff are you talking? Like a craft room full? How many charms were you making? Well, because, like, my idea was, like, maybe this era of kale would want to do, instead of, like, buying people gifts and spending money, I could make them gifts with love.

Oh. Like, I was going to make bag charms. Okay. And you were going to mail them out? Like, no, like, say someone had a birthday. Yeah, okay. Like, you and I don't really send birthday gifts, right? But if I think of you, I'll get you the hot dog necklace, right?

Like, I just thought of you. So my thought was, okay, well, I'm not going to, like, we just don't really exchange gifts like that. So if your birthday is coming up, I can make you a bag charm and send it. It's a little gift and it's homemade. That was my thought was like, this is what I'm going to do for people. What time? That's the thing.

It's like, I can't, that all the hobbies that I, well, the bead thing was actually really hard because of the toddlers. That's what's holding me up is that the toddlers are everywhere and they can't, I can't have the beads around them. So that limits my window of time where I can make stuff. And then I always, so I always have them. And then I was on the road all summer. So then I, what was I going to do? Bring the fucking beads with me. Kiel, you have quite literally had some of those beads since last October that I am aware of. Because they were coming to the content house or were at the content house at one point and I know specifically that was like last October or September. Do you want a bag charm or not? I mean I do. Your birthday's coming up. That's what I'm getting

for my birthday is a bag term. I love it. I've actually wanted one but I don't know how to do like arts and crafts that well. So this will be a real treat when we do this pop up. What kind of bag do you use though? Because that also like there are different bag tarms. Well like the LLB like canvas tote. That's what I take to church. I have the medium-sized one. Okay, because time out, that's something that we need to talk. The way that my bags have also been an obsession lately, I would say over the past 18 months, my bags and tote bags and satchels and cross-bodies have become such an obsession that, like,

again, unhealthy. Like, I am using them, though. I think a lot of women could probably relate to, like, the bag obsession, though. But I... Like, the beads and the loboos and the crystals. That's different. But then, like, also, if I had a craft room, nobody would think twice. No, but, but I also think that, like, typical and I say normal very loosely, like,

if somebody's, like, a sewer or something, they probably don't just have, like, a bunch of reserve stuff. They're probably buying stuff for a specific project and, like, making it. Like, what you're doing is semi-horting. Yeah, I've been like this my whole life. You remember? power beads the bracelets power beads kids they were

essentially like crystals they were like the little round bracelets oh yeah yeah and um they would come with like a little paper or it was like attached to it and it said like this is what it's for yes had those me too i had in a tin never wore them but collected them in a tin and nobody could touch them and i would show people but you cannot touch them and they were probably mostly fake my friend sarah had real ones and and then my friend sarah was like this too with her Polaroid camera, we would take pictures on the Polaroid camera and she would never let anyone

keep the pictures. Like even if it wasn't... Oh, I had a Polaroid too and nobody was keeping my pictures either. That was my film. And then, um, do you remember, do you know what Diva stars are? Diva stars were like, um, you know how Furbys, you could like teach them to say stuff and like whatever, but nobody ever actually did. Diva stars were like these little characters that almost, they were like before Bratstall time, but they were battery operated. You could just, dress them up, click off their outfits, click them back on. And it was this obsession that I had, that I had to get all of them, but I only could get three of them, but I had all their accessories and wherever I went, they went with me. Hold on. I'm going to show you what they are. They're big.

They're like this big. Where were you taking these? Well, my mom didn't really take me anywhere, but whenever I left the house, I brought them. But here's the thing about me and I'm still this way today. I'm either leaving all of the I'm either leaving all of the collection somewhere or I'm taking the entire thing with me. If I take one thing from the collection, they all have to come. I can't just take one item from said collection. So like if you were transporting your crystal somewhere. All of them have to come at that point. You can't just, like I can't just take one. Okay, what about the Lububoos? That one is very, I'm only taking the ones that I have duplicates of can go on a bag.

The rest of them have to stay on the bookshelf. Only the duplicates can go on bags. Do you switch them out? No. So you keep the same one on your bag at all times? Yes. Do you not feel like Labibu is outdated at this point? Labubu specifically, maybe the craze has died down, but the blind box and Pop Mart has gone up because they're creating other types of blind boxes.

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he loves the blind boxes because he loves the surprise of what he's going to get, but then he gets disappointed if he gets something that he doesn't want. And I'm like, why? Oh, yeah, I remember these things. These were big. Yeah. And I don't mean like, yes, people had them, but the size of them was bigger than that Gatorade bottle. And that Gatorade bottle is big and they're heavy. But what were you doing with those? Playing with them, dressing them up, putting their outfits on them. So you played with those over Barbies? No, I played with Barbies until I was like 12 or 13. I played with Barbies for an abnormally long amount of time. I played with Barbies once at the point that they're like married and they're having

children, you should no longer be playing with Barbies. 1,000 percent. You know? 1,000 percent. But the blind box thing really pisses me off because why would we not just try to get the one that we know that we want instead of like continuing to spend money? It's a robbery. But that is the marketing.

I'm not falling for it. That's the same way with McDonald's. It's a marketing thing. Now, do I think that there could be two ways to do it? Like, you should have the option to buy which one you want or you want to have the option to be surprised because some people like the thrill of opening the boxes and things. It's like the dumplings. There's no thrill of opening something that you don't like.

But I've been this way literally since McDonald's had the Beanie babies out. Like, I've told you before, I would call around all the places. Like, I don't want to just go and get a happy meal and get surprised. Like, I want to know the palatipuses in there. You know what I mean? The platypus was everywhere and it pissed me off because that's all I would get. My grandma was the only one. I had to drive to Greenville, South Carolina to get it.

Well, northeastern Pennsylvania, my mom always took me and I always got the goddamn platypus. Oh, I thought. But see, if you were like me, you would have been, I can't remember if it's yellow pages or white pages, you would have been calling all the McDonald's around and be like, hey, do you have the snake? Lindsay, there was one McDonald's where I grew up. One. There was no calling around. there was not another nearest McDonald's for at least an hour. Oh, wow.

Well, I remember driving and by driving I was riding and my grandparents' Cadillac all the way to Greenville, South Carolina to get the platypus. We went to the McDonald's, got it, and then went to Walmart and I got a Tomicacci. Do you remember Tomoguchi? Yeah, my mom put mine in the freezer. Why? I had six because I didn't know how to take care of it. Why did you have six Tomogachis? People gifted them to me.

And you have seven kids. That's interesting. Yeah. So, um, I did you ever keep them alive like you're, I didn't know from the beginning of time, I didn't understand electronics. Like when I say now that I'm not tech savvy, it's not to be funny and cute. Like I literally never understood, like I never knew how to play, um, Mario cart. I don't have the dexterity to like I, to this day cannot get the car around the racetrack in a, in a normal way. Like I'm crashing into the wall, right? So same as my interest with thoughts.

Anyways, um, so I couldn't figure out. the tomogacchis i did not understand how to take care of them with two buttons so they kept dying and they would go off and beep and beep and beep so my mom put them in the freezer and i woke up one day and she took the keychain out of the freezer oh my god i'm wood street fuck you susy did you also have hit clips no i never got the hit clips oh my gosh that was heartbreaking because everyone had that was like back when um razor scooters had come out i also never had a name brand razor scooter either Oh, well, that's okay. No, it's not.

Why? I wanted to take my ankles out with a razor scooter and I never got one. I didn't actually want to take my ankles out, but like everyone was having, I think I had a knockoff at one point, but that was it. I did like the razor because they had, I don't know if the knockoffs had this, but they had like the specific colors. You know what I mean? Like you knew it was specifically a razor. Yeah. Right?

1,000%. Okay. Can we talk about art for a second? because I need to know how much respect that you have for art. Like, do you think the Mona Lisa as a piece of art is beautiful? First of all, first of all, I'm having deja vu because when we were in London, me, like Becky and Elliot were in a taxi and having this exact fucking conversation. The exact conversation.

What? And Becky looked at me and said, I don't understand the value of art. like I don't understand it. And I was like, no, me neither. And Elliot brought up the Mona Lisa. And Elliot said something along the lines of like, we could do it better now. Like we could make it. And we all just were like, that's not the point, but like also valid, but it's also not the point.

I don't understand art. I don't understand how like while these people were alive, nobody really paid attention to the art. And now they're dead. And now these certain specific pieces are so valuable. But they're not even good. But I don't understand the, like, I'm not trying to be disrespectful to the art community. I would genuinely love to know, like, getting into an art gallery and owning an art gallery even feels kind of like, is that illegal?

Like, it feels like, how is that not money laundering? Like, I don't know what is, do you know what I'm saying? Art is subjective. Art of subjective, but like normal people who don't think that way can't walk into a gallery and just automatically understand the value or why something is priced to this level. because can't I also do something and say it's abstract and then be like this is a work of art? Who determines the value though? So if I created this canvas right here and I'm like this is my masterpiece and I say I'm going to this is, I'm going to put this in a gallery for a million dollars.

What the fuck? Why do I get to determine? Why do I get to say that? And who determines whether or not it is worth that? That's what I'm getting at. Like all these people that collect art and are buying art for millions of dollars, hundreds of thousands of dollars, who determines that? I mean, I hate to tell you, you're never going to sell your key chains for a million dollars.

But why not? But why not? I hate to tell you. Why not? Well, because there would be like a standard price for like something like that. I feel like. But who determines that? Why does that piece of art?

Why is it a value? Who determines? Same for the Mona Lisa. Who decided that that was going to be more famous than anybody else's work of arts? Who determined that Shakespeare's work would be this important and we're teaching it in schools? Like why that work over anybody else is? Like I don't understand it. What am I Googling?

Art pieces. Who determines the value of people's art? Okay. Key factors that influence the cost is reputation and career, establish artists with a museum. exhibits and institutional recognition command much higher prices than emerging artists. Medium and materials, high-end materials like oil paints or bronze and framing also increased based on the price compared to the work on paper or prints. Market demand, current economic conditions and collector trends dictate what buyers are actively willing

to pay. That still doesn't give me the answer. None of that gives me the answer. why is this and why is it when the people are dead a lot of the times or at least old art that we're talking about right where was the monel lacy even found you know what i mean it's like and how did it get there or like da vinci's like starry night and how many paintings did they have to do to get i mean i can kind of fuck with starry night no yeah like i fuck with it but what i'm saying is i don't understand what like i don't understand why only specific pieces versus the other art from that same artist why it is not valued the

same. And yes, every single, every singular piece of art is a one of one unless it's a reprint. Because even if you painted the same exact thing on a different canvas, it's not the same. So I, like, I don't get it. Like, I will never understand it. It's because it's very special to them. And that's why it hurt. It is very special to them. But like I, my heart hurts for like the art community because I feel like they, it's always seen too as like a career that is not like it doesn't pay well like you have to well it doesn't pay well or like it's not you're not guaranteed a paycheck and things like that and that sucks well unless you're like a starry night or you're a Mona Lisa but like it wasn't worth anything until he was dead

so then who got the money that's what like the estate maybe I don't know so they took all of their artistic abilities and then cashed in on them when they died I respect certain types of like abstract art for example most people would say that's really not art because it's just like flinging something on a piece of canvas but my entire house has a ton of abstract art and i absolutely love it will think as i'm an idiot for that i just buy canvases of like reprints basically at like tj max marshals home goods like that's art that people have reproduced and put it on canvases and stuff. Okay, so I asked chat, why do pieces like Mona Lisa or Starry Night become worth that much and how they've done so many other pieces? What makes those special? And then it

says, basically the price of a famous artwork isn't determined by how beautiful it is or how much time it took to make. It's determined by a combination of scarcity, history, cultural significance, demand and storytelling. So it's not simply a really good painting. One, Leonardo da Vinci is an extraordinarily rare. Is extraordinarily rare. Well, I thought he was a person Leonardo da Vinci is extraordinarily rare Leonardo produced relatively few surviving paintings there aren't hundreds of authentic Leonardo paintings sitting around waiting to be sold so when you have Leonardo plus authenticated plus exceptionally well preserved plus historically important you have something almost impossible to replace okay but that okay I can understand that if there's

like historical context to it but like what about the art galleries when you walk into an art gallery now who determines why that is worth what the fuck it's worth ask chat i don't know we are not artiste you know what movie that i'm thinking of the breakup i don't think you haven't seen the breakup why haven't you seen them have you seen the breakup with vince vaughan and jennifer annison yeah she worked at an art gallery and she was so chic you know it's like i wish i could be you but i just i can't some of my abstract art at my house is like thousands of dollars a piece Are you joking? No.

Like you collect loboos. So interestingly enough, I almost got into the ceramics hobby of collecting ceramics that are like one of one. Okay, but just wait, just hold on. I'm going somewhere with this. Like Ray Dunn? No, I don't fuck with Ray Dunn. Wait, no, not Ray Dunn. Mackenzie Childs.

McKenzie Childs. Her designs are stolen. She's allegedly. So I don't appreciate it. appreciate that. I also have alleged thief. Alleged thief. Allegedly.

I also have McKenzie Child's mugs and they're a scam because they are metal and when you, the ones that I have and when you pick them up, you'll burn the fuck out of your hand because the entire thing is metal. Maybe it's supposed to be a piece of art. Yeah, well, it sucks. Anyways. No, so I was following all of these ceramics, um, makers, pottery creators. and they were such good pieces.

And so I went on this one and I actually had to unfollow her because I became obsessive over it. She was having these like drops of these items and they were so expensive. I'm talking like $1,000 for a mug and she would do these drops. And if you didn't get one, you didn't get one. You only had a certain number of time. Like she only made a certain amount and you only have a certain amount of time to get it. I never got one.

I even messaged her and was like, hey, like when do I set my alarm? Like tell me what you were like. You're like, I'm famous and I was on teen mom. Can I get one? I wasn't even asking for free. Like I was trying to buy it and she like wouldn't even like it was. But and so I realized how expensive it was to like be like a collector of that type of art. And I'll have to show you the account.

I never got one. So I had to cold turkey just cut it off and unfollow all of the pottery accounts because it was so expensive. How many pottery accounts were you followed? Probably like 10. Let me show you. It was obsessive. But like this is what, hold on because I want to see. But what were you doing with this pottery?

No, I never got the pieces. No, I know. But I'm saying like, you know how, like, I feel like many moons ago, people used to collect, like, fine China, you know, like the dishes. My parents did that. Like, they had a set collection and they would get, you know, a piece here and a piece there and it put their whole collection together. That's like a collector, I guess.

Yes. A collector of China. Okay. I kind of understand stuff like that because they were also using it and it was like a piece of art. But a piece of pottery like can you show me? Yeah, I'm pulling it up right now. And were you using this as like decor? I don't know.

You didn't even have a purpose. No, I didn't have a purpose. Oh, okay. Okay. It looks like something you would buy. What did you want this for? Like put your plan, like would you put a plan in it? Well, I don't know.

because I never had I never got one to be able to decide okay so but then I felt a version of to be fair that's I had to unfollow her because of the obsession and that was not it the ones towards the bottom like if you keep well that's usable kale like you could put put a plan in it like I could get behind you collecting can I show you the mugs because you might like the mugs fine and if you ever get the chance to get one of these mugs I'll buy it from you wait what if what if I get one and you don't no because I would be that would be the way that would be the way one thing I would be devastated. Do you want me to message her right now and see who she answers first? No, because the way that my intrusive thoughts would eat me alive. Wait, what's her name?

Female alchemy. Okay, I wonder if you're going to love this. Actually, I never unfollowed this girl. Oh my God, I never, now the obsession is coming back. I blame you. I'm obsessed with this. Okay. Okay. You might get behind this one. Okay. This is definitely giving like 90s vibe. Okay. I can kind of like I'm obsessed those mugs go for like a thousand dollars each I've never been able to get my hands on one hey Madison message female out if you I will fucking hear all my thing message female alchemy and say I'm really obsessed with just messager aren't they cute but like go all the scroll all the way down to see the big lip to vases and stuff those mugs if I got my hands on that the way that I would drink coffee out of it every single day and I wouldn't get rid.

I would be willing to get rid of every other mug I have if I got one of those. But they are literally so expensive. Okay. So this would help you declutter is what you're saying. Yes. Okay. This very much is giving like 1990s Lisa Frank. I mean, I like this girl better than the one that you just showed me.

Will you also message silver lining ceramics? I follow, I still follow this one. Can you imagine, can you imagine if they respond back to me and they don't respond to you? The way that I would crash out. Can we talk about Ray Dunn stuff though? Is that the one, is Ray Dunn the one that just put words on stuff? Yeah, and it's like flour and then it's like spoons. That's a very southern.

Why do we need the advertisement though? There was that whole farmhouse trend and I think it's still like, people still really, really follow that is like living room, kitchen. Like we, it's like very farmhouse. And I think that so many people adopted it and they still are holding on to it for dear life. See, I, I like elements of farmhouse sometimes. Yes. But I don't like the full concept of farmhouse.

And I do think that Ray Donne is very farmhouse-esque. I don't like signage like in houses where it's like, this is the kitchen. I feel like I went through. Like we fucking know. Yeah. You know? Like you don't need something that says spoons, right? Yeah.

If you can see the spoons. If you can't see what's in it and you're labeling it, okay, that's one thing. I think I went through like a small phase of like farmhouse stuff. But I, farmhouse is not the buy. I'm not a farmhouse girl. Have you ever bought Ray Dunn stuff? No. So I know like in my area, people used to go on like camp out at the T.J. Max and they would wait for them to put out like Ray Dunn stuff and would go in, purchase it.

purchase like all the Ray Dunn stuff and if they had it they would like resell it on why for profit no but like because what if they got something anybody could make that like you could make your own version of that and it's not even like a DIY it's just literally putting labels on stuff I know kale but it's the fact that it's like the brand of Ray Dunn that would be like me telling you you could have bought knockoff Labuboos like you could sell it also Like, you know? Yeah. Yeah.

I see what you're saying. Like, it's crazy. So far, though, I can't. My kids don't really have not expressed any of the same obsessive, compulsive, like, obsessions over things. So I'm pretty glad about that. The only one that I can think that I've ever had was the vacuums. Did you ever get rid of some of those?

No, they're still in my basement. Okay. Yeah, I definitely have compulsive habits for sure. Do I have any compulsive habits? Arts and Crafts reading. Like I feel like you become an obsessive compulsive reader. Well, the book thing, I would fall. Yeah, I would fall into that.

But like as far as habits go, like there's nothing in the house that I do regularly that's like obsessive. Like she vacuums and pressure washes obsessively. I don't think I have any of that that I can think of. No. No, no obsessive compulsive habits at all. Like when I feel like my life spirals out of control, Okay, for example, after all the shit went down with me in April and May, I came home, I slept for like a whole 24 hours.

I woke up. I had called the person to come and clean out my gutters. I got my pressure washer out. I got my blower out. That's what my therapist said that I have an OCD in coping. So when I'm trying to cope with something, I am obsessive, compulsive about stuff like that. that. I'll do it on my own. I'm going to get it done. I'm going to bang it out. I'm going to do all these things. Like I need it all done. That's because that is the only way I know how to control

whatever it is. Oh yeah, my countertop. That's the same. But that's when I'm going through something. Me too. I also get in moods of like everything has to go. But that's that's OCD. How? Because my therapy, that's what my therapist said that I like, it's obsessive compulsive. I thought it was cleaning. Yes, but in a way that you're coping with something. So like I, when I feel out of control, everything has to go. We have to clean out this closet today because everything has to go. This is the only way I can control the things around me. I do it with my closet.

I do it with my refrigerator. I do it with my pantry. I do the garage. The car wash. I obsessively go to the car wash. Like I cannot ride in a dirty car. If there are footprints like on my mats and my car, I'm going to car wash. I did.

There was a time where I was like that for my car. It was like as soon as I dropped the kids off, go to the car wash. Yes. And there was like a running joke on Instagram because I was at the car wash almost every single day. Because I have so many kids. Yeah. Has to be, I didn't care about the car wash. I cared about the inside.

I needed them to vacuum it out, wipe the windows down. I was obsessive. Wipe the crumbs off the seat. Yes. Yeah. I'm not like that now because I simply just don't have the time, but I haven't been there. There are certain things that like I'm really cheap about. And then there are certain things that I'm like, honey, I'm going to splurge.

Like the Dyson Vacumes was a weird. maybe obsessive-compulsive phase that I went through. I don't favor the Dyson vacuum that I had. It was so heavy, so bulky, and I don't feel like it did as good of a job as my sharks. And I have stood by sharks since, I don't know, 15 years now. But I love my Dyson air wrap, but I also love my shark one as well. So I have the shark version of the air wrap, and I love it. Yeah, I do too.

And then I also use exclusively shark in my house now. Yeah. I think they're fantastic vacuums. My cleaners love the sharks. I have the handheld shark. I have, I mean, we know like all of them. Or Ike asked if cordless vacuums are better than the plug-in ones. But we have two cordless sharks.

We have one upstairs, one downstairs. And we use them so often that they're super convenient. but we also, I also have the cord ones. We just never have to use it because we, oh wait, the cordless ones just do the job. So this is probably a version of an intrusive thought or maybe this is an OCD thought. If it's not plugged into the wall, I feel like it's not getting enough power and it's not doing the job. So you don't use the cordless ones?

No. Oh, ours do. Ours do a pretty good job. I don't feel like they suck as well. No, agreed, but also were you? Using it so with toddlers, as you know, like, it's just so convenient for that. But like if we're talking about like a deep clean and on the carpets, I definitely think use the plugged in one. Yeah.

For sure. But like when I tell you that we're vacuuming probably 10 times a day, that's not an exaggeration. That's crazy. So the cordless is so helpful. Convenient. Yeah. Yes. So yeah.

I just said that we have multiple batteries so that when one dies, we have the next one because we are vacuuming so much. See, I have multiple battery packs for like my leaf blower, you know. I don't have trees. I don't have trees that, that drop leaves on my property. What? Mm-mm. Oh, my gosh. See, I am in a love-hate relationship with leaves, y'all. Like, we're old. This entire podcast is like, if you're middle-aged mother, like, this is for you. Becky got me a leaf. blower for my wedding gift when back i feel like that's a fantastic wedding gift it's not like it's not like this pretty like wrapped up thing with you know from crate and barrel that has like the pretty bow and stuff on it but it's like the most practical gifts that you could possibly get and i really want a backpack blower for

that's what it was that's what i want that's what it was the backpack one but we also lived in a neighborhood that was canopyed by trees the entire neighborhood and each cul-de-sac was canopyed by trees so that made sense i don't have a property now i don't need a leaf blower in any world where i live right now it's so crazy because i have a love-hate relationship with leaves like that sounds really great because you probably don't get in your gutters like what do they call that foliage yeah foliage foliage yeah you probably don't get that i do extremely at my house because there's so many trees but like there's just something so crisp about the fall looking outside and seeing those leaves hanging around like going out on my porch and seeing like a whole pile of leaves i'm like you know

what we have arrived to the best time the fucking year i don't give one single fuck what do you mean i don't give one single fuck about that like you don't give a fuck because i give a fuck or you don't give a fuck i'm saying i don't give i don't give a single fuck about the leaves and the fall like i love that it's fall great love that so much but i don't care so like for you when it starts turning over to the fall season and you start seeing the leaves fall and like you're driving on the road and you see the trees are like starting to get bare and you know there's like big piles of stuff on the side of the road and you're like oh my god we've arrived like you don't have that feeling no it's like the best feeling in the world what's interesting though is I love

having four seasons so like when we're talking about no you don't yeah I do I don't like winter just, no. You just said you don't like fall because I don't not like it. I just don't care. Like I don't care about the leaves and it being fall. Like I like having four seasons, but it's not like, like I appreciate it and thank you so much. And that's where it starts and stops. It's like I like living in a place that has four seasons. But I don't necessarily care when the leaves start falling. Okay. I specifically remember this was like two years ago. I texted kale about the leaves falling and that I was so excited. And she sends me a picture of her driving on this road.

And it was like the most beautiful thing that I had ever seen in Delaware. And all the leaves were like on the ground. The air, like I could look at the picture and the air just felt like crisp from the photo. And nothing made me happier. And you didn't fucking care. Like I care in the sense of like I appreciate having. the seasons and the change of the season, but I don't, I think I'm not fully appreciating, like living in the moments of it.

Yeah. But it's possible that this year after this week, when things start slowing down, that maybe I will be able to stop and, like, truly appreciate it. Do you know what I'm saying? I really hope you do, because there's just something about fall that just makes you feel so good. Like, you know, it's like the crock pot and just like the smell, of a cooking soup or like a chili and a little fall candle lit in your kitchen and it smells just like I need to slow down then because all of those things like they sound good in my head and I know

what you're describing there is not time to do that there's no time to set the scene in my household there is literally no time so I don't think that I can fully appreciate it because I there's not time to I'm going to challenge you to slow down for a week and just soak it in week. I'm going September 1st to the end of October. I am not, I'm slowing the fuck. I don't even want to leave the state of Delaware until December. But can you take that time to sit and appreciate fall? I hope so. Like, I fucking hope so. I love it so much. And like college football and just to have your little crock pots going and know that like everything's going to be done and you smell it all day and you're just like hanging out on your couch and your porch doors can be open and you see the leaves.

We should get screen doors so that we can open the regular door and just have the screen. And like you feel the air and like you smell the fall air. Oh yeah. I want to screen in that porch. I want to screen in all of them. It's like Kail's supposed to be slowing down in the fall and it's like she has six house projects lined up after this conversation. Actually, speaking of that, I have already like started like planning in my head if the judge says

know to moving what the plan will be. Like that's like where I'm at. So it's like I can't slow down because I'm constantly thinking of what's next. I'm like, okay, we have our trial date for February. But then it's like, okay, if the judge says no, what is the plan for like our rooms and like our house? Like, am I going to do a pool house or a barn dominium? I'm not going to move out of my house at all. But like how do I make my property work? Yeah. So I'm like trying to figure that out. I think a pool house would be cool if you stayed there because you do have to consider that Elliot will be going to college. So that would be like a good place for him to like have a space there.

And when you leave, once you go to college and you leave and you come back home, it's like never the same. And I never understood that. And like my parents always used to say that to me. They're like, don't be in such a rush to get out of here. Because once you leave and you come back home,

it's never the same. Why though? Like, you feel like a stepchild? Are you serious? Everybody's agreeing, but I don't know. Yeah. And it's like, that's not your everyday life anymore, right? Like, you're a visitor at that point. Like, once Elliot moves out, like, he's visiting home. Okay. Well, but I have kind of been preparing him for that. Like I told him, you know, wherever we move, it will likely be one of those situations where it's like, because I don't know if the judge says yes to moving, everything that I've been, all three states that I've been looking at, what I need doesn't necessarily what room what house do you know off the top of your they're not just loads of houses with seven bedrooms no and that's with two people sharing right like you can't that's a custom built house and so those are not really options so a lot of the things that I'm finding is like five bedrooms with a huge finished basement or five bedrooms with a pool house or five bedrooms with a pool house and a basement and so like that would be elliott's

domain space when he comes home but like I've been trying, I've been kind of preparing him for that, but he also, he wants to move out. Like, he doesn't, he wants to be on his own. I feel like it's so interesting for people who have, obviously I just have the one, so I'll never be able to relate to this, right? But for you, you have kids all across the board of ages. And then you have one child that soon will be going to college. And I think that they need their own space whenever they come home separate from the kids that

are still living there because the kids that are still there are. are living the life of what that one child once knew, once knew, but then they're not, like, really in it anymore. And so it's, like, hard to reaclimate. But I never want him to feel like he's not welcome because of that. So as far as I'm concerned, I want Elliott to have a space to live either full time or visit literally for the rest of his life. Like, I never want him to feel like he does not have a space for himself because we all know how the economy is and you know people can't afford full-blown adults can't afford their rent without um help or roommates at this point right so like if elliott wants to come back and live at my house until he's 30 years old i want him to know that

there will always be a space for him so that's why i'm like trying to think okay yes like we can have the kids living in the house but he'll be an adult he'll want his own space how can i facilitate that so And you also have to consider like he'll be driving and coming and going in a different way than the rest of the kids. Than the rest of the kids. Yeah. And so it just kind of frees up for there not to be an argument. It's so funny because when we were in London, somehow that conversation came up about moving out. And we were talking about like how expensive it is.

And I told him like I will never say that you can never move back in. Like I will always make sure there is space for you to have your private space. And I said, you know, when you eventually move out and your brothers are in college or something or they are ready to move out, but they, you know, it's expensive. Would you ever roommate with your siblings? And he said yes, which surprised me. Like he was like, oh, yeah, like if Lux or Lincoln wanted to like be a roommate and there was room and we could split the bills, he was like, yeah.

And I was like, oh. That's so interesting. Yeah. Because he didn't strike me as someone who would, but I guess he's lived with them his whole life. so like why not? It would be like more comfortable. And I could also see somebody with his personality and the way that you explain that he does stuff very much sounds like me. So it would probably be a hard transition for him to have a roommate that he didn't already live with.

Live with and like know their habits because that would drive me nuts too. I worry about that with him. Because when Lindsay and I come to Airbnb's, Lindsay like not in a negative way. So I'll take it this way. But like you'll kind of like clean up after me. Mm-hmm. But it's just like your nature, not because I'm like, not because it's me. It's just like anybody.

Yeah. Elliot is very, like what is the word, um, set in his ways? Like he's very specific particular. Elliot is very particular about all things. So I worry about him having a roommate and it not being because he's never shared a room with Lincoln outside of maybe two years before. and he probably doesn't even remember it at this point. So are you not, okay, like when we're at the Airbnb, yeah, like I just clean up.

If there's like paper towels laying somewhere, there's a paper plate or there's food that's out or something he's put in the dishwasher, like, it's just like second nature to me. Like I'm always just going to clean it up. I'll clean it up too, but like I'm like quick on it. You'll do it before I'm even standing up. Do you know what I'm saying? Yeah. I'll pick it up when I'm getting up.

But you'll just do it. And I'm like, oh, sorry. It's just like quick and easy, but I also feel like I was raised that way too. Like once you're done with it, don't leave it sitting around. That's one thing. If anyone has any tips or tricks for their children to get them to clean up what it is that they're doing before they move on, I work full time. I work from home.

I have lots of kids. This summer has been super frustrating in the sense of like leaving a mess and going to do the next thing when I'm. in my office or something and I can't monitor that part of it. I don't know how to get them to get in the habit of cleaning this stuff up. So they'll be on to their next thing and I'll come out of the office or I'll come out of the room or whatever. And I'm like, you did not even clean up the markers and papers right here and you've already

moved on to the next thing. How the fuck do I get my children to get in the habit of doing that? So it's funny because I experienced this with Jackson when he was roughly seven or eight years old. How old are the kids that are doing that? Nine and six. Okay, yeah. So I went through that a little bit too.

And with all the arts and craft stuff that he wanted to get out, I put it behind a door that had a lock on it and he had to ask me. So I would get him out the stuff that he, I would tell him like, hey, come in here and get out whatever it is that you want to use. And when you clean it up, you can tell me and I'll unlock the door and you can come back in and get other stuff out. Like, this is not a free for all. If you can't pick up after yourself, then I will lock all of the stuff up so you

cannot get to it. I think I should have done a schedule too, like to give them activity windows. Okay, this is what we're going to do. Like maybe if I would have done that too, like that probably could have helped. Maybe that was it just like a. Free for all summer? Yeah. Pretty much because I mean, we have the pool. So then they would want to get in the pool and like that you have to ask. You can't just go do it because you can't be out there by yourself. So then it was like, okay, well, when I'm done with this, then we can go outside. But when we're. inside, it's kind of like a free-for-all because they don't have the game. And what else can they do besides color, play with action figures?

And then they're not allowed to watch YouTube unless they've read books. And like, I don't know. There's just, I need to figure that out. We could do like a little schedule time-block thing. Okay, we're going to take a pee break. We'll be right back. BRB. Welcome to Pluto Fo.

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